Why was this lost? of all the Troughton storys WHY THIS ONE! I sure hope some film Archive has all the missing episodes tucked away somewere waiting to be found... because lets face it telesnap reconstructions can never recapture the wonderfulness this story provided many young kids back in the 60s I mean hell I'd go as far to say this is far better than any of the Dalek storys on TV nowadays it's such a shame....
We can't have the daleks being put out to pasture like it's been suggested recently. The last time they did this was over 40 years ago, when Patrick Troughton regenerated into Jon Pertwee, Despite the new doctor, the viewing figures fell dramatically and it's almost certain they will again. So let's have the Daleks back soon and with a story similar to this one, that should get the figures rising again.
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky, this is a cool scene to have survived. I really like this version of the emperor Dalek, and his personal guards, to me this was the best dalek story, a dalek story exactly the way it should be.
I was going to say, it's a pity Pat isn't around to give his memories of the episode. It could give us vital info onto how various scenes were played out, etc.
I know in actual chronology, this pre-dates Remembrance of The Daleks (McCoy) by about twenty years, but where does this fit in with Remembrance? I heard it's after...
I don't think anybody really knows. There was a line cut from "Day of the Daleks" (the next Dalek story after "Evil") which said that the humanised Daleks lost this civil war, but like I said it was cut. The novel "War of the Daleks" MIGHT (that's a big might: the reason I say it is because I read on a website that the Dalek Prime in "War" seems to be before its appearance in "Evil", which confuses me as AFAIK there is no Prime in "Evil) take place before "Evil", and "War" is after "Remembrance"
I would asssume this to be happening at the same time as Revelation, and the prison ship carrying Davros may have arrived just after the destruction of the Dalek city.
An interesting theory. But pray tell, why do you think that?
It would make sense as to why Davros becomes Emperor in place of the dead one... The grey Daleks rebel as Davros rises to power after the Davros tapes... Then the Daleks go to war, and end up in 60's London...
The way I figured it out is this: the crew of the prison ship would be ambushed by a few remaining humanised Daleks, which would then be wiped out by Davros' Daleks from Necros. Davros And his Daleks would then waste no time rebuilding the city, after which Davros would deem himself the new Emperor. In the meantime, several colonies of Daleks would receive the news of the events, and combine their recources to strike back against Davros, thus setting the scene for 'Remembrance'.
But it is already accepted that the Davros tapes (which show Daleks holding Davros on trial on Skaro) takes place straight after Revelation. They end up asking him where they went wrong and why they are defeated, which, unless the Humanised Daleks ambush the grey Daleks and your theory extends from that, could completely disprove your theory. It is however, very interesting, and rather clever.
Well, while I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it's entirely their fault. Honestly, the BBC was running out of storage space and storage tapes - and the tape they used was incredibly expensive at the time. The tape-wiping was done all before the advent of VHS as well, so it's not like they knew that this would be happening.
I would love to have the full and original episodes, but I feel more sorry for those other BBC shows that were utterly wiped completely instead.
Was there not almost as long a time between Genesis of the Daleks and Destiny of the Daleks? Strange that both periods are considered the best in the show's history, maybe daleks lose their impact if they are used too much, like in the new show...
not quite, the flashing light inside the emperor was meant to imply he was badly wounded, probably near death, but alive, because the head of drama warned producers against destroying the daleks this hopelessly.
Even from what's left of the Troughton era, I'm still amazed at the talent that went into the serials. Not only is this type of special effect surprising both for 1964 AND the miniscule budget they had to work with, but the direction makes it that much more shocking to watch. Just phenomenal.
Wow, I love those Daleks! I just love those little Daleks! This is what got me into Second Life, when I saw all those little Daleks running around, I just had to join up, because lord knows I love a good Dalek up my ass!
it seems mad that they would so carelessly throw away such great episodes! i mean virtualy all of the first 2 series of troughton r lost! fools! iv seen some ppl remake dalek scenes with cgi! it would work to go do that with the lost episodes i think! though what theyve done for the invasion also works
they actualy remade this one as a stage performance, and they are remaking the first doctors dalek epic (the name escapes me at the moment) as a play for this year as well, they may even decide to release a dvd with those things.
But for many of the other epsisodes that were not popular, and are not one of the ones missing a whole lot of stuff, they probably wont get remade till last.
According to a timeline, this battle takes place just before the final battle of the Time-War. After recovering from this battle, which devestates skaro, the Daleks abbandon the planet and attack Gallifrey. Remembrance takes place a lot earliar and was part of a dalek plan to see if Davros was controllable
no i think im sure he created the emperor but they had a disagreement and the hated each other then i think another group of other daleks turned on the emperor but also didnt like davors 3 way abttle kinda thing i think
It was two Dalek factions basically; the Imperial faction, led by Davros in disguise, and "every other Dalek". It was more a way for Davros to reassert control after the Daleks deciding they didn't need him.
Terry Nation wanted to off the Daleks in this episode so he could go to America and have them make a show all about the Daleks, which he was trying to do since "Mission to the Unknown". But during the Pertwee era, they made another Dalek episode so that never happened. I wonder if the 1996 TV movie showed him how Americans could screw up Doctor Who.
Why was this lost? of all the Troughton storys WHY THIS ONE! I sure hope some film Archive has all the missing episodes tucked away somewere waiting to be found... because lets face it telesnap reconstructions can never recapture the wonderfulness this story provided many young kids back in the 60s I mean hell I'd go as far to say this is far better than any of the Dalek storys on TV nowadays it's such a shame....
TWSVIDEO93 1 month ago
back when the daleks weren't raped by moffat and gattis
dalektaliban 1 month ago
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dalektaliban 1 month ago
Don't you just hate it when you just walk down the street then all of a sudden you just blow up
GodofDaleks 2 months ago 5
Whenever I hear this I think "f*ck the BBC".
animationdude56 5 months ago
We can't have the daleks being put out to pasture like it's been suggested recently. The last time they did this was over 40 years ago, when Patrick Troughton regenerated into Jon Pertwee, Despite the new doctor, the viewing figures fell dramatically and it's almost certain they will again. So let's have the Daleks back soon and with a story similar to this one, that should get the figures rising again.
MrNaughtyflirt 7 months ago
a good but not great story.
sebbrown1 9 months ago
@sebbrown1 Really some people consider it the best Dr who story ever whats yours?
JackWProductions 9 months ago
The Daleks would return in 1972's Day of The Daleks, in colour!
JHollowayNetwork 11 months ago
@JHollowayNetwork albeit only three of them. lets hope the special edition of the story is good.
animationdude56 5 months ago
awesome.
WhoBoy93 1 year ago
look at 0:58 anyone else see the spots????
MrClassicDoctorWho 1 year ago
last part is funny a dalek going along and boom it dies
360bloodshreder99 1 year ago
i wish they would redue this like the old school
datdude1able 1 year ago
jez i only wish they had tape recorders in the 60s. Dad would of recorded them and then the bbc wouldnt have lost so much :(
docdis11 1 year ago
What was that gunk in the top of the Dalek who's dome was blown off?
bradhig 1 year ago
@bradhig it was the kalid inside, the daleks are mutants encased in a battle shell.
doctorw2 1 year ago
you can download this episode off of isohunt but it sucks because only one part works
hilaryelliott 1 year ago
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky, this is a cool scene to have survived. I really like this version of the emperor Dalek, and his personal guards, to me this was the best dalek story, a dalek story exactly the way it should be.
h0usesparr0w 1 year ago
y r they fighting each other
bloodshreder99 1 year ago
: )
ECTBWHO 1 year ago
The doctor started a war, between the both groups of daleks
kav816 1 year ago
1:12 I lol'd so hard I think i broke a rib.
Spagettieater9000 2 years ago 5
Yeah. The Sound is how it is meant to be, though?
I was going to say, it's a pity Pat isn't around to give his memories of the episode. It could give us vital info onto how various scenes were played out, etc.
EthanThePerson 2 years ago
is that a fact?
I always thought that these scenes were a bit off, not how I always imagined it being. So are these made from different recordings?
EthanThePerson 2 years ago
they should remake this story next year
daleksrule13 2 years ago 10
shame this story's missing, would have loved to see it!!!
CommisarTeds 2 years ago 9
I'll be honest, this is actually quite dark, this makes me even feel the suspense of The Daleks.
pcwise 2 years ago
I know in actual chronology, this pre-dates Remembrance of The Daleks (McCoy) by about twenty years, but where does this fit in with Remembrance? I heard it's after...
Palltube 3 years ago
I don't think anybody really knows. There was a line cut from "Day of the Daleks" (the next Dalek story after "Evil") which said that the humanised Daleks lost this civil war, but like I said it was cut. The novel "War of the Daleks" MIGHT (that's a big might: the reason I say it is because I read on a website that the Dalek Prime in "War" seems to be before its appearance in "Evil", which confuses me as AFAIK there is no Prime in "Evil) take place before "Evil", and "War" is after "Remembrance"
Mathiastro 2 years ago
I would asssume this to be happening at the same time as Revelation, and the prison ship carrying Davros may have arrived just after the destruction of the Dalek city.
boomshanka 2 years ago
An interesting theory. But pray tell, why do you think that?
It would make sense as to why Davros becomes Emperor in place of the dead one... The grey Daleks rebel as Davros rises to power after the Davros tapes... Then the Daleks go to war, and end up in 60's London...
Palltube 2 years ago
The way I figured it out is this: the crew of the prison ship would be ambushed by a few remaining humanised Daleks, which would then be wiped out by Davros' Daleks from Necros. Davros And his Daleks would then waste no time rebuilding the city, after which Davros would deem himself the new Emperor. In the meantime, several colonies of Daleks would receive the news of the events, and combine their recources to strike back against Davros, thus setting the scene for 'Remembrance'.
boomshanka 2 years ago
But it is already accepted that the Davros tapes (which show Daleks holding Davros on trial on Skaro) takes place straight after Revelation. They end up asking him where they went wrong and why they are defeated, which, unless the Humanised Daleks ambush the grey Daleks and your theory extends from that, could completely disprove your theory. It is however, very interesting, and rather clever.
Wow, 4 Dalek factions about the universe...
Palltube 2 years ago
pity no nowerdays can watch the full story because of those bbc bastaerds
timekiller4k8 3 years ago
Well, while I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it's entirely their fault. Honestly, the BBC was running out of storage space and storage tapes - and the tape they used was incredibly expensive at the time. The tape-wiping was done all before the advent of VHS as well, so it's not like they knew that this would be happening.
I would love to have the full and original episodes, but I feel more sorry for those other BBC shows that were utterly wiped completely instead.
GamingTeacher 2 years ago 2
That is soooo dark and so much better than the very latest, glossy daleks with souls rubbish.
The music, the sounds and the Dalek industria makes this an awesome scene.
Old School Pre-Pertwee Doctor Who ftw!
kayozz13 3 years ago 3
this is from tomb of the cybermen dvd
dalekcybermen 3 years ago 3
MASS CHAOS!!!!! ....of dalekness. lol! XD
ellanight07 3 years ago 2
If only this were rediscovered. After Marco Polo this is probably the one I would like to see most
androzani7 3 years ago
This was made in 1967. The next dalek story was Jon Pertwees Day of the Daleks made in 1972. I'm surprised people could live that long without Daleks
kingfishertom 3 years ago
Was there not almost as long a time between Genesis of the Daleks and Destiny of the Daleks? Strange that both periods are considered the best in the show's history, maybe daleks lose their impact if they are used too much, like in the new show...
film4thefuture 2 years ago
this may sound like a stupid question, but who are the daleks fighting?
sergei73073II 3 years ago
They are fighting each other - the doctor turned them on each other & rebel daleks ended up destroying the dalek emperor.
darthnerf 3 years ago
not quite, the flashing light inside the emperor was meant to imply he was badly wounded, probably near death, but alive, because the head of drama warned producers against destroying the daleks this hopelessly.
kaledmasterme 3 years ago
hopelessly - i meant with no way out, that sounded weird lol.
kaledmasterme 3 years ago
I know...I should rename it, but it does work well... :)
tomspy77 3 years ago
great scene. the new series could learn a lot from this sort of stuff
Atomius1 3 years ago
i hear you brother.
kaledmasterme 3 years ago
wher did you get this?
beavistv 3 years ago
Don't worry, its not 'missing' or anything. Anything I would ever find like that would go straight to the Beeb....
tomspy77 3 years ago 2
so cheap yet so cool!
TokoGT 4 years ago 2
Im planning to make a reconstuction using Blender, if anyone knows anything about blender animations, tell me.
filmfast 4 years ago 2
how do you get blender??? do you have to buy it or can you download it off the internet?
moller111 3 years ago
how do you get blender??? do you have to bye it or can you download it for free off the internet?
moller111 3 years ago
this is one of the best old series serials. as the 2nd doctor said " i think this is the end of them. the final end!
kaledmaster 4 years ago 3
Even from what's left of the Troughton era, I'm still amazed at the talent that went into the serials. Not only is this type of special effect surprising both for 1964 AND the miniscule budget they had to work with, but the direction makes it that much more shocking to watch. Just phenomenal.
Extraintrovert 4 years ago
Aye, they defintely knew how to to inject tension into episodic TV in those days.
Toolpusher 4 years ago
Wow, I love those Daleks! I just love those little Daleks! This is what got me into Second Life, when I saw all those little Daleks running around, I just had to join up, because lord knows I love a good Dalek up my ass!
KoolDudester 4 years ago
always good when the best clips survive
theshadowdirector 4 years ago 3
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO(Im just jk!)
williamshank 4 years ago
Did you get this off of the Tomb of the Cybermen DVD?
DoctorWhoRules001 4 years ago
That's scary as hell! People back then must have been wetting themselves, and what is going on with the dalek at 0:39?
Doctuhwhu 4 years ago
looks to me that his head has blown off and the dalek inside is still kicking
rozzer1275 4 years ago
Emperor's voice is better than anything made today
benlu123 4 years ago
i am so glad that this scene still exists. i have listened to the cd release, but nothing beats actualy seeing the dalek emporer
alphamone 5 years ago
it seems mad that they would so carelessly throw away such great episodes! i mean virtualy all of the first 2 series of troughton r lost! fools! iv seen some ppl remake dalek scenes with cgi! it would work to go do that with the lost episodes i think! though what theyve done for the invasion also works
tardiselliot 5 years ago
they actualy remade this one as a stage performance, and they are remaking the first doctors dalek epic (the name escapes me at the moment) as a play for this year as well, they may even decide to release a dvd with those things.
But for many of the other epsisodes that were not popular, and are not one of the ones missing a whole lot of stuff, they probably wont get remade till last.
alphamone 5 years ago
The bbc should remake the lost episodes.
fatuesque 5 years ago
Using the animation studios for The Invasion!
Amlder20 5 years ago
According to a timeline, this battle takes place just before the final battle of the Time-War. After recovering from this battle, which devestates skaro, the Daleks abbandon the planet and attack Gallifrey. Remembrance takes place a lot earliar and was part of a dalek plan to see if Davros was controllable
seph1r0th400 5 years ago
Davros wasn't under Dalek control in Rememberance, he was the one doing the controlling, disguised as the Emperor
Toolpusher 5 years ago
no i think im sure he created the emperor but they had a disagreement and the hated each other then i think another group of other daleks turned on the emperor but also didnt like davors 3 way abttle kinda thing i think
craigthomasjohnson 4 years ago
It was two Dalek factions basically; the Imperial faction, led by Davros in disguise, and "every other Dalek". It was more a way for Davros to reassert control after the Daleks deciding they didn't need him.
Toolpusher 4 years ago
Great to see the climax of the 'wiped & lost' Evil Of The Daleks 1967 series.
ffa14 5 years ago
"The Final End" - Yeah right Doctor...
doctorwhosandwich 5 years ago 2
The Doctor, must have been smokeing some good weed on that day when he said that.
WarshipAngelus 5 years ago
Terry Nation wanted to off the Daleks in this episode so he could go to America and have them make a show all about the Daleks, which he was trying to do since "Mission to the Unknown". But during the Pertwee era, they made another Dalek episode so that never happened. I wonder if the 1996 TV movie showed him how Americans could screw up Doctor Who.
eiremoonblossom 4 years ago
Well he ALWAYS thinks he's wiped out the daleks in every story they've been in from the old series.
pcfan10 4 years ago
The model shots are annoying obvious, but story looks class, shame it is lost.
tlinds 5 years ago
Damn, those daleks are FREAKY !
adama999 5 years ago
I'd still like to know where this puts stories like "Remembrance Of The Daleks".
boomshanka 5 years ago
too bad that episode is lost
JWW20037 5 years ago
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tomspy77 5 years ago