Been doing strength for awhile strength has increased giganticaly but my size minimally. So I'm thinking to continue strength on upper body but switching to a mass biilding/ bodybilding routine. Say maybe more reps with my squats n deads. Advices or comments?
@collwatt size increases and muscular hypertrophy only really begin after 3-4 weeks of proper training. Anything before that is the increase of neurological involvement, activating a larger number of muscle fibers in your lifting. Choose power or strength- its a vast difference in training style.
What was going on with the friggin camera angle at 3:30? They cut to his face so you couldn't see his back position or anything when he was during the pull. Stupid.
man nebyou why dont u shut the fuck up asshole. oly lifters from the US train very hard to be able to compete against these guys and dont even come close. we do it for the love and passion that comes from the challenge to continue doing something most would quit because of the pay grade.
I watch this video regularly: Sagir and Filimonov both have flawless style (this is excellent coaching material). My one critique of the NBC coverage is that they do not show the bronze medalist in the 77kg class: Oleg Perepetchenov of Russia. Sagir and Filimonov also receive minimal coverage, although they took the gold and silver respectively.
Yes, I have coached a few athletes over the years.Had limited success as a lifter myself (never in the elite ranks though).I still enjoy the sport into my 40's and I'm still capable of demonstrating the basics myself. For higher level athletes, video of elite athletes such as these makes for excellent training discussions.
Thank you very much for the kind words. This sport brought me many years of challenge and comeraderie. I hope that younger generations can gain some inspiration from such performances.
I am not an American, but I have to say that it has pockets of great promise. As an outsider looking in, I believe that elite athletes in the US would not tend to focus on sports like weightlifting (very little payoff for the effort compared to pro sports). Compared to other parts of the world the pool of US lifters is very small; the USSR once boasted that it had over 300,000 lifters, in the 1983 Spartakiade (Soviet Games) 14 lifters in the 100kg class alone totalled over 400kg.
I believe that success in North America comes in waves, due to the very small pool of lifters when compared to the countries that consistently bring in the medals. A handfull of dedicated die-hards are keeping the sport alive in this part of the world, we have some good years and lean years, it becomes painfully obvious when an elite lifter, coach, official or volunteer retires from the sport.
NFL players are strong, but im telling you right now, they would get blown away by these lifters in their weight class. Guys this size would be competing against DB's & WR's. I'd like to see even the strongest of those positions try to lift with these truly amazing competitors. Don't get me wrong i am a huge football fan and believe that the players of the NFL are the most amazing athletes in the world. But they are there because of strength, size, speed, and endurance. Not just sheer strength.
Most elite athletes on this side of the ocean aspire to play pro-sports, and I have met many football players (and other pro-athletes) who have the talent to do these movements very well (and they do use them regularly in training, olympic movement translates well in most power related sports).
Yes, there are probably NFL players who could be elite weightlifters but they'd have to train a lot, no way they could spend a few months and be elite, it would take a long time (and not playing NFL).
disagree completely nfl players have a diff type of body...believe it or not they are actually more built for speed and quickness even the lineman they are strong but none of them could be elite..
That's what I mean, they have horrible lfiting technique because of bad coaching and a lack of dedication to it. My point was there are guys in the NFL with amazing athleticism who, IF THEY CHOSE TO, could excel in weightlifting. But why would they give up making millionsin a sport they love (football).
If we chose 100 people in random, taught them the technique, give them roids and made them do weightraining, some of them could excel in weightlifting. So your point is?
Weightlifting is dominated by a different body type than NFL. Even with perfect technique they would be fighting the body shape that made them so successful in football.
you're a fucking dumbass. Weightlifting is done on weight classes so all your precious nfl players would come up against guys like Hossein Rezazadeh, they'd get smashed!
well if you remember right then so was korea's lifter in 2000 he also lifter 260kg then chemerkin tried for 272.5 and nearly got the clean he was just so fat he couldn't get under the bar fast enough, but as far as raw strength goes i think chemerkin maybe the strongest of all time
Regular people should put 20kg to a bar and try doing one overhead squat (snatch squat) with it. :)
Usually it puts the accomplishments of these athletes in the right light for a newbie lifter. As it is now, only people who have tried snatch appreciate the work needed to get 165kg above your head in one movement and then getting up. :/
Not really true man...I've never tried a snatch before, but I do weightlift.
Rest assured though that just through normal weightlifting anybody can appreciate seeing these men throw those ginormous weights over their heads, and respect it as well :-)
I guess you're turkish :D I prefer the Greeks, Dimas and Kakiasvilis.. They always had the best shape in olympics.. They didn't care about the smaller competitions, that's why they are the best ever..:)
it is easy to say that these men are doping , I say they are doping but not with roids but with something you folks you wont ever understand it's called hard-work!!!
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they are all on steroids, as much i hate to say it. its true. athletes in all sports. ergo: 9 out of 11 members of Rezazedeh's team was recently busted for steroids. the ones that get caught either slipped up, or cant afford it.
"Last year the only difference between him and me was that I could not afford his drug bill, now I can...then we'll see which are better, his steroids or mine".(Ken Patera on Alexeev, prior to being soundly defeated by Alexeev at the Munich Games)."Patera was undoubtedly the stronger of the two...Technically inferior and significantly less elastic than Alexeev(due in no doubt to the superior co-ordination and elasticity drugs that Alexeev must have been taking)"(Charniga,2001).
Everybody took, takes and would take steroids. I always can say that someone takes it and I'm not. It means that even your Patera took it and after the defeat cried like a baby that he didn't use it at all. By the way USSR lifters were the best not because of steroids, but due to the system they created "Russkaya shkola". Ken Patera was nothing compared to those lifters.
You missed the point (I agreed with your argument). Ken Patera attributed Alexeev's success to drugs alone, Patera subsequently bombed in the 72 games. Alexeev was a much better technical lifter and competitor. Drug based discusssions are old and boring.
I took that quote from Sportivny Press to draw attention to the technical improvements in the sport over the years. Let's get away from nationalist and racist arguments, and do what the Soviets did: spend more time analyzing what works well.
The snatch is a purely technical lift, anabolics do nothing to improve flexibility and coordination and timing. Strength is only one component and if it comes at the expense of the other components technically beautiful lifts such as these would not be possible.
don't make assumptions just because a lifter is good, or very strong. it does not mean he's on steroids. you don't know the lifter, you don't know his methods. just dont make assumptions that drugs like steroids are making him lift what he is lifting today.
Amazing what steroids do but you realize even if YOU or ANY of your friends were doing steroids yall could never snatch what he just did at that weight or probably any weight.
Yes you are right my coach trains at international level and he said that the very elite lifters are very strong but also take a shot of something chemical! There are ways around the doping system!
Yeah, if he wasn't on steroids he'd be benching 135 and curling 20-pound dumbells. Yeesh, learn a bit about lifting and drugs before making a comment like this.
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xjosexax 4 months ago
I have the same build as the first turkish guy. he snatches 165 with ease i can only snatch 95 :(
what an animal
kahlebninja 1 year ago
I'm seeking only major hypertrophy in legs.I'm in the gym 3x a week, I'm thnking 5x3 on 1st and 2nd day, then 5x10 on the 3rd.
collwatt 1 year ago
Been doing strength for awhile strength has increased giganticaly but my size minimally. So I'm thinking to continue strength on upper body but switching to a mass biilding/ bodybilding routine. Say maybe more reps with my squats n deads. Advices or comments?
collwatt 1 year ago
@collwatt size increases and muscular hypertrophy only really begin after 3-4 weeks of proper training. Anything before that is the increase of neurological involvement, activating a larger number of muscle fibers in your lifting. Choose power or strength- its a vast difference in training style.
nomexalloys 10 months ago
@nomexalloys 3- 4 weeks ?? haha can you say 3-4 months
jernmyre 1 week ago
whats a good set rep for weighted back extensions?
collwatt 1 year ago
@collwatt it depends on your goal i guess...
but you should go somewhere around 12 reps for a good hypertrophy training
same for sets... 3 is good, but you can also do 4 or 5 or even more
q7w8e9r4t5z6 1 year ago
казахстан вперед!
tamaza93 1 year ago
My wife can't clean but you should see her snatch!
Butteroux 1 year ago 57
@Butteroux 10/10
wudthedamaja 1 year ago
@Butteroux i dont get it.
remyrem121 1 year ago
fastest lift on earth. this should show people who want to get stronger, bulk doesn't count for shit.
jeeperjus 1 year ago
@jeeperjus absolutely!
Butteroux 1 year ago
the first turkish dude is 19...........FUCK
needabloodyname 1 year ago
I could watch olympic snatching all day
cowlookinpenguin 1 year ago 7
@cowlookinpenguin its my favorite defiantly one of the hardest to master to if not the hardest
1RoRo008 1 year ago
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I think a little Chinese girl could lift more than 77kg....in Oly weightlifting the girls are stronger than the boys - sad.
middlemanoftime 2 years ago
Its the 77kg weight class not a 77kg snatch. Jokes on you I'm afriad
ay5790 2 years ago 30
@middlemanoftime are you a retard?
Kaotic009 2 years ago 6
@middlemanoftime how did u think its was only 77kg when theres already 2 red plates on each side
1RoRo008 1 year ago
yes but ronnie coleman couldnt do olympic lifts he doesnt have that explosive strength
asacestt 2 years ago 3
jay cutler or ronnie coleman could never compete here due to the steroids
MrDmoney2000 2 years ago 5
Ronnie was a lifter too~
wadechen2003 2 years ago
I bet he was great at it too
MrDmoney2000 2 years ago
powerlifter
faquarl08 2 years ago
Don't be a cheater.
Stay natural buddy!
steroidsR4losers 2 years ago
@steroidsR4losers: fuck your mother before talking something like that
TheSuperber 1 year ago
Fuck them both
thebeat911 1 year ago
why is the first guy arranging his groin? who is the third lifter? he's handsome
khristink 2 years ago
i want to see jay cuttler doing that THX :D
crystydiniasi 2 years ago
why? it's two totally different types of competition... the goals are entirely different
boblane3000 2 years ago
Who is winner?
wvinicioch 2 years ago
taner sagir
sharifsammor 2 years ago
the grunts are the best part
captainkunty 2 years ago 2
What was going on with the friggin camera angle at 3:30? They cut to his face so you couldn't see his back position or anything when he was during the pull. Stupid.
wookieeassassin 2 years ago
3:22 watch the coach sniff the nitrate hahaha.
grambo22 2 years ago
hahaah good catch
corrmick 2 years ago
taner sagir a great future? like beijing perhaps... gotta hurt :P
Myself0101 3 years ago
amazing !
mikeyburger1 3 years ago
dont mean to be pedantic, but the first guy released the bar above waist level when he was dropping it, thats against the rules
sr19 3 years ago
they dont really pay attention to it anymore
Myself0101 3 years ago
As well as the elbow-knee touch and press outs. Weightlifting rules are pretty weird nowadays. The judging at the 2008 olympics was terrible!
Sarge343 3 years ago 2
it was bollocks wasnt it
mikeyburger1 3 years ago
for weightkifting turcs are best !!!!!!!!
lovelymadmex 3 years ago
turcs are fucking lols!!! russian are best in all!!!
RedDevilRus92 3 years ago
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redpusy fuck you
lovelymadmex 3 years ago
Russians dominated in 1970s, Bulgarians dominated in 1980s, Turkey and Greece dominated in 1990, now China dominates all of the lighter classes
Sarge343 3 years ago 3
man nebyou why dont u shut the fuck up asshole. oly lifters from the US train very hard to be able to compete against these guys and dont even come close. we do it for the love and passion that comes from the challenge to continue doing something most would quit because of the pay grade.
birdman800 3 years ago
steriods or not this guy has technique
kilogroma 3 years ago 2
I enjoyed watching this vid.
EZrussian 3 years ago 2
I watch this video regularly: Sagir and Filimonov both have flawless style (this is excellent coaching material). My one critique of the NBC coverage is that they do not show the bronze medalist in the 77kg class: Oleg Perepetchenov of Russia. Sagir and Filimonov also receive minimal coverage, although they took the gold and silver respectively.
dasyatis65 3 years ago
are you a certified weightlifting coach?
nebyou 3 years ago
Yes, I have coached a few athletes over the years.Had limited success as a lifter myself (never in the elite ranks though).I still enjoy the sport into my 40's and I'm still capable of demonstrating the basics myself. For higher level athletes, video of elite athletes such as these makes for excellent training discussions.
dasyatis65 3 years ago
oh nice. good luck
nebyou 3 years ago 2
Thank you very much for the kind words. This sport brought me many years of challenge and comeraderie. I hope that younger generations can gain some inspiration from such performances.
dasyatis65 3 years ago 2
weightlifting is weak in america and has a bleak future
nebyou 3 years ago
I am not an American, but I have to say that it has pockets of great promise. As an outsider looking in, I believe that elite athletes in the US would not tend to focus on sports like weightlifting (very little payoff for the effort compared to pro sports). Compared to other parts of the world the pool of US lifters is very small; the USSR once boasted that it had over 300,000 lifters, in the 1983 Spartakiade (Soviet Games) 14 lifters in the 100kg class alone totalled over 400kg.
dasyatis65 3 years ago
I believe that success in North America comes in waves, due to the very small pool of lifters when compared to the countries that consistently bring in the medals. A handfull of dedicated die-hards are keeping the sport alive in this part of the world, we have some good years and lean years, it becomes painfully obvious when an elite lifter, coach, official or volunteer retires from the sport.
dasyatis65 3 years ago
Well if NFL players were allowed in the competition, then I think you wouldn't be saying that.
Toyota9r 3 years ago
ha anyone and everyone able is allowed to compete
nebyou 3 years ago
NFL players are strong, but im telling you right now, they would get blown away by these lifters in their weight class. Guys this size would be competing against DB's & WR's. I'd like to see even the strongest of those positions try to lift with these truly amazing competitors. Don't get me wrong i am a huge football fan and believe that the players of the NFL are the most amazing athletes in the world. But they are there because of strength, size, speed, and endurance. Not just sheer strength.
559shotcalla 3 years ago 3
Most elite athletes on this side of the ocean aspire to play pro-sports, and I have met many football players (and other pro-athletes) who have the talent to do these movements very well (and they do use them regularly in training, olympic movement translates well in most power related sports).
dasyatis65 3 years ago
Yes, there are probably NFL players who could be elite weightlifters but they'd have to train a lot, no way they could spend a few months and be elite, it would take a long time (and not playing NFL).
grambo22 3 years ago
disagree completely nfl players have a diff type of body...believe it or not they are actually more built for speed and quickness even the lineman they are strong but none of them could be elite..
rking1012 2 years ago 4
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xwaffles54 2 years ago
the snatch is regarded throughout the world as the fastest human movement in sport !
these guys are the kings of speed power and quickness
freedomsoldier187 2 years ago 14
Sagir was so fast I can't follow it. I remember doing 160lbs once playing around. And wasn't so fast.
skirts365 2 years ago
very true... also probably the hardest.. in my experience lol... u sprinters out there need to be doing this
RunningRiot09 2 years ago 2
@freedomsoldier187 hmmmm depends...
H3XZOc 1 year ago
@freedomsoldier187
Lol I misread that at first and thought it said "The snatch is retarded throughout the world".
ShotokanKarateRules 1 year ago 3
hahha by the way i see the football players at my university gym train i personally doubt that
fatcat669 2 years ago
That's what I mean, they have horrible lfiting technique because of bad coaching and a lack of dedication to it. My point was there are guys in the NFL with amazing athleticism who, IF THEY CHOSE TO, could excel in weightlifting. But why would they give up making millionsin a sport they love (football).
grambo22 2 years ago 4
If we chose 100 people in random, taught them the technique, give them roids and made them do weightraining, some of them could excel in weightlifting. So your point is?
Apjooz 2 years ago
Weightlifting is dominated by a different body type than NFL. Even with perfect technique they would be fighting the body shape that made them so successful in football.
tychver 2 years ago 5
There's more than one body type in the NFL, it depends upon which position you play.
jgrimsl1 2 years ago
you're a fucking dumbass. Weightlifting is done on weight classes so all your precious nfl players would come up against guys like Hossein Rezazadeh, they'd get smashed!
harrow555555 3 years ago 5
lol, that's a very, very silly comment :P
jdg51adf 2 years ago
snatch is insane
Swagg3r3d 3 years ago
maybe bulgarian pussy is best not sport
lovelymadmex 4 years ago
USSR lifters were the best. Wait for the Russians.
cawak 3 years ago 2
for weightlifting turcs are best
lovelymadmex 3 years ago
Russian,Andrei Chemerkin's hit is only 3 kilos away from reza's record,and there are similar records to Chemerkin
Nightmare3200 3 years ago
well if you remember right then so was korea's lifter in 2000 he also lifter 260kg then chemerkin tried for 272.5 and nearly got the clean he was just so fat he couldn't get under the bar fast enough, but as far as raw strength goes i think chemerkin maybe the strongest of all time
ErNBuRn1 3 years ago
Bulgaria is the best. 465 medals (euro, world, olimpic, bronze, silver, gold )together.
trratuar 4 years ago
Regular people should put 20kg to a bar and try doing one overhead squat (snatch squat) with it. :)
Usually it puts the accomplishments of these athletes in the right light for a newbie lifter. As it is now, only people who have tried snatch appreciate the work needed to get 165kg above your head in one movement and then getting up. :/
timse82 4 years ago 8
Not really true man...I've never tried a snatch before, but I do weightlift.
Rest assured though that just through normal weightlifting anybody can appreciate seeing these men throw those ginormous weights over their heads, and respect it as well :-)
perfectthrows 3 years ago
uc15 you learn nothing for turkey learn history please
lovelymadmex 4 years ago
for weightlifting
turcs are best
lovelymadmex 4 years ago 2
I guess you're turkish :D I prefer the Greeks, Dimas and Kakiasvilis.. They always had the best shape in olympics.. They didn't care about the smaller competitions, that's why they are the best ever..:)
MisterMasterMuscle 4 years ago
lovelymadmex,
For gross human rights violations and genocide, Turks are best.
UC15 4 years ago
it doesnt matter who are best. let people compete and let the results speak for themselves. the fact that we as humans can do this is an achievement.
hali9999 4 years ago 4
it is easy to say that these men are doping , I say they are doping but not with roids but with something you folks you wont ever understand it's called hard-work!!!
fabienRw1 4 years ago 7
NE MUTULU TÜRKÜM DİYENE...
resulelvan 4 years ago 3
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they are all on steroids, as much i hate to say it. its true. athletes in all sports. ergo: 9 out of 11 members of Rezazedeh's team was recently busted for steroids. the ones that get caught either slipped up, or cant afford it.
satoshi3927 4 years ago
Really? Do you have a news article about that? That seems like a statistic you just threw out there.
corrmick 4 years ago 3
Thanks for telling it like it is! These lifters are still amazingly strong athletes regardless!
yobolion 4 years ago
"Last year the only difference between him and me was that I could not afford his drug bill, now I can...then we'll see which are better, his steroids or mine".(Ken Patera on Alexeev, prior to being soundly defeated by Alexeev at the Munich Games)."Patera was undoubtedly the stronger of the two...Technically inferior and significantly less elastic than Alexeev(due in no doubt to the superior co-ordination and elasticity drugs that Alexeev must have been taking)"(Charniga,2001).
dasyatis65 4 years ago
Everybody took, takes and would take steroids. I always can say that someone takes it and I'm not. It means that even your Patera took it and after the defeat cried like a baby that he didn't use it at all. By the way USSR lifters were the best not because of steroids, but due to the system they created "Russkaya shkola". Ken Patera was nothing compared to those lifters.
cawak 3 years ago
You missed the point (I agreed with your argument). Ken Patera attributed Alexeev's success to drugs alone, Patera subsequently bombed in the 72 games. Alexeev was a much better technical lifter and competitor. Drug based discusssions are old and boring.
I took that quote from Sportivny Press to draw attention to the technical improvements in the sport over the years. Let's get away from nationalist and racist arguments, and do what the Soviets did: spend more time analyzing what works well.
dasyatis65 3 years ago
You are right dasyatis65. I didn't try to argue who is better because it's not an objective opinion.
cawak 3 years ago
The snatch is a purely technical lift, anabolics do nothing to improve flexibility and coordination and timing. Strength is only one component and if it comes at the expense of the other components technically beautiful lifts such as these would not be possible.
dasyatis65 4 years ago 7
for everybody making steriod comments... dont ya think they test them first before the let them compete in the OLYMPICS?!?!
trashbash2001 4 years ago 2
don't make assumptions just because a lifter is good, or very strong. it does not mean he's on steroids. you don't know the lifter, you don't know his methods. just dont make assumptions that drugs like steroids are making him lift what he is lifting today.
pr0mark123 4 years ago 5
Amazing what steroids do but you realize even if YOU or ANY of your friends were doing steroids yall could never snatch what he just did at that weight or probably any weight.
Movies4theBlind 4 years ago 3
Yes you are right my coach trains at international level and he said that the very elite lifters are very strong but also take a shot of something chemical! There are ways around the doping system!
yobolion 4 years ago
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its amazing what drugs can do for a 19 yr olds strength....
Cory315 4 years ago
Just because you don't have the discipiline to train 6hrs a day 6 days a week AT ANYTHING, don't rag on others.
RoughNeck205 4 years ago
Yeah, if he wasn't on steroids he'd be benching 135 and curling 20-pound dumbells. Yeesh, learn a bit about lifting and drugs before making a comment like this.
madaozeki 4 years ago
I remember seeing the C&J part on here a few months ago, what happened to it?
qtpipi 4 years ago
where the fuck is c&j part?
usynli 4 years ago
he is 19 years ol
haluktornado 4 years ago
goddamn it where can i find the c&j part?
usynli 4 years ago
the dude in the begining sayd tanes saush not taner sagir
usynli 4 years ago
taner, what a freak!
wilwn 4 years ago
says he's 19...i personally think he looks older!
Squaccy 4 years ago
he is so strong & cute & sexy & more more more...
I LOVE HIM <3
elenie88 4 years ago
ROFLMAO BONER POWER
kimuraftw 4 years ago
how old is he?
xxuchihanarutoxx 4 years ago
Excellent technique from turkish boy
Quentino83 4 years ago
awesome
btxnick 4 years ago