Now that the judge said it was in fact a violation of the open meetings law. Well its not like Fitzy boy can say no one told him, Barca is yelling it right at him, all they would have had to do is give 24 hour notice to this and it would have passed. What clows the WI republicans are
@Effedup the State Supreme Court ruled Sumi's judgement WRONG, and no laws were violated, the democrats that ran in the face of their duty as elected officials should be fired! Further.. Sumi made a political ruleing, not a legal ruling and that was wrong. Sumi apparently had no idea of what is Wisconsin law. Barca apparently is also not aware of the proper proceedures either.
Children failing correlates directly with class size. I assure you that less money to schools will increase class sizes and the failure rate will in turn increase. Dont blame the teachers, blame the faulty system you support.
@Maxwedge12000: As I was saying, I will use my money to recall your asinine Gov. & Rep. senators if I want. My state will be just fine now that we have someone competent in charge and not some former actor or a CEO! Why don't you go back to watching the Fox Propaganda Channel and I'll use my money how I see fit; to make sure WI's backward laws for worker's rights don't spread here like a disease!
@CTrace Your statement is bred in ignorance. It does not require a college degree to teach children successfully and in light of the terrible results of our public education systems, college degrees in education may be a deterrent to educating children well. 60% of our public school 8th graders are not proficient readers and everyone of those in that 60% has been taught by several college educated teachers. Figure it out.
@Maxwedge12000 WI Public workers SHOULD make more than private sector - they're more educated! 59% of full-time WI public workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared with 30% in the private sector. So when you actually figure in education, public employees are actually paid LESS than private sector for someone with the same education level. Teachers, nurses, police, all are well educated, and make up the majority of public workers. Or maybe you want non-college educated teachers..
@johnny5k A college degree does not entitle anyone to anything. A degree gets you in the door and after that it is performance that matters. All of our public school teachers have 4 year degrees and 60% of our 8th graders cannot read at a proficient level. With those results, you can take all of those degrees and wipe your ass with them as they are doing our children little good. Yes, I want non-college educated teachers as the educated ones have failed our kids terribly.
@Maxwedge12000 "Yes, I want non-college educated teachers" You've got to be kidding me. You're going the wrong way. If we valued teachers more, and paid them better salaries, the profession would attract more of our brightest people. I agree that tenure & seniority deciding who stays needs to be dropped, and we neet to reward performance, but you can't seriously want uneducated people teaching our kids! We should pinpoint the problems - not just privatize the entire system.
@johnny5k 60% of our state's eighth graders are not proficient readers. Tell me again why those teaching these children need to valued? Tell me again how important their degrees are. You are suggesting that we take teachers, who are failing our children on a massive scale and value them more and pay them more. That's crazy. As long as they are unionized, they will fail our children. No way a union is going to give up seniority, no way. Privatizing is the only way that has promise.
@Maxwedge12000 It is not the teachers who have failed, it is the children. At the end of the day, it's the CHILD'S responsibility to take their school work seriously and to help themselves succeed. Do you have kids? You can raise them the right way all you want but if they are going to do bad things and lead a bad life, that's on them, not on you. Teachers offer the chance to succeed, whether or not the child does is on them. You have clearly shown how uneducated you are.
@MsLilyth Then we should pay children to learn then because teaching teachers to teach is not working very well. If teachers do not like the changes that are coming they are free to seek other types of employment.
@Maxwedge12000 Actually its the parents that have failed. You are in charge of the kids education. You are obviously not monitoring the kids performance
@Maxwedge12000 First of all, cite your source. Second, you're assuming a direct correlation between teacher education and student outcomes without accounting for the influence of other factors (e.g., income level, family status, teacher-student ratio, quality of materials, teacher compensation).
@pumpsiegr The source of the data is US department of education. Just do a google search with these terms, "wisconsin 8th graders not proficient readers". You have my point all wrong. Johnny5k stated that public workers should make more then private sector workers because they are more educated. Total BS, but I am attacking the value of teaching degrees and I am not assuming any correlation between teacher education and student outcomes as the results prove.
@johnny5k: First of all, cite your source. Second, you're assuming a direct correlation between teacher education and student outcomes without accounting for the influence of other factors (e.g., income level, family status, teacher-student ratio, quality of materials, teacher compensation).
Get rid of all unions. I worked for a union and when I said something that I didn't agree on about a union worker not working and still getting paid, I was canned. Get rid of this fast as we can and each state will prosper!
It's interesting, the responses by pro-democrats have been well thought out and have insightful commentary. The pro-republicans seem to be one sentence snipes that don't carry much thought or reasoning.
Example: Stetsonwalker- You say "It is kind of like the health care bill." How is this like the health care bill? In what sense? Where do you draw the comparison?
If you actually care to debate you should speak your mind and in turn listen to the others speaking their minds.
What a whiner! Sheesh. They leave the state, clearly abusing a legal loophole; then try to cite some insignificant 24 hour notice law, which doesn't apply during this emergency session anyway, when it favors them. Unions cause unemployement by raising the wage higher than natural deman would set it.
@720Jeff yeah, we certainly wouldn't want open meeting laws. next thing you know, democracy might break out. or do you want to have open meeting laws but just not enforce them? and if unions are so bad, you must be truly appalled that the wisconsin gov exempted 2 unions from his bill -- the 2 that supported him in the election.
What the brave democrats did is all laid out in Wisconsin's constitution.
I bet you don't have a problem with Walker trying to amend the constitution to require a super majority to pass any tax increases. We do no t want to be like California a state that is actually broke because of procedural shenanigans and no tax pledges.
The biggest lie in all of this is that Wisconsin is broke
@Maxwedge12000 oh yeah, look at the video. those are the grownups all right. holding their little illegal vote while someone is trying to point out that they are breaking the law, and then running away. the repubs are like little kids with their fingers in their ears repeating "i can't hear you." that's ok, the recall move against one of the repubs is now polling at 54 percent yes and it's 57 percent yes against another. say goodbye to you careers, repubs.
@tishhead Democrats whine and hide for 3 weeks to avoid doing their job. Republicans then circumvent with parliamentary maneuvers and outplay them at their own game It's so funny. Our politicians on both sides of the aisle are a disgrace. We're back in the sandbox in kindergarden.
@biggerturtle actually, the dems didn't whine. yes, they left the state to slow the process and it became clear that what the gov was doing was purely political and clearly against the wishes of a large majority of the wisconsin people. he will pay the price for that. he is doing the bidding of the koch brothers and other corporations. it has nothing to do with the budget. why do you think he just happened to exempt the only 2 unions that supported him?
@tishhead The radical lefties lost the election and they will lose this battle as well. There are more taxpayers in WIsconsin then greedy public employees making their $100,000+ salaries and a benefits packages most Wisconsinites can only dream of. The pigs have to be beaten away from the public trough because we are out of slop for them.
@Maxwedge12000 i love it when rightys are not only wrong, but hugely, massively wrong. check every poll taken since this started, including the ones done by fox and rasmussen. the repubs have stepped in it big time. many repub careers will end because of this and good riddance. and your concept of public employees is laughable. yep, it's all those teachers and social workers living in mansions that are destroying the country. what a stooge. and why exempt the 2 unions that supported the gov?
@tishhead There is no more money to pay these people's costs for their Cadillac benefits. No matter what happens, the economic day of reckoning quickly approaches. Everybody is broke, there is no more money.
These is no more money no matter what party is running the show. Things that are unsustainable have a great tendency to come to an end.
@Maxwedge12000 problems with your argument: 1. the unions conceded on the financial points almost immediately, the debate was about collective bargaining. 2. the gov exempted the 2 unions that supported him in the election. 3. wisconsin was not broke until the gov passed a package of corporate tax breaks, the size of which almost exactly equals the now projected deficit. 4. in other repub run states the money taken from workers is being given directly to rich and corps in tax breaks.
I will take your post point by point. 1)"1. the unions conceded on the financial points almost immediately, the debate was about collective bargaining." There are 72 counties, over 450 school districts and over 1,000 municipalities that all have separate labor contracts that are negotiated individually at different times. It is not possible for any union, or group of unions to agree to concede anything until these individual contracts expire. What you claimed was not only wrong, but silly
@Maxwedge12000 "2. the gov exempted the 2 unions that supported him in the election." Rewarding your friends in politics is the norm. Just go ask obama. I don't like either but that's how it is.
@Maxwedge12000 wisconsin was not broke until the gov passed a package of corporate tax breaks, the size of which almost exactly equals the now projected deficit." Not true. The budget deficit you are referring to is the 160 million dollar deficit that exists from now until June 30th. Walkers tax cuts (141 million) do not take effect until the next fiscal year. The two are unrelated. We do however have a 3.6 BILLION dollar debt over the next two years. That is the real issue. We are broke
@Maxwedge12000 thank you for completely destroying what tiny microscopic shred of integrity your argument had. either it's about the "crisis" or it isn't. the 2 pro-gov unions exempted happen to have among the most generous taxpayer-funded benefits. that's how it is. you and the gov are frauds.
@Maxwedge12000 "There is no more money to pay these people's costs for their Cadillac benefits." - Seriously?! I have 2 sisters and about a dozen friends who are teachers. I assure you, not a single one of them is living luxurious lifestyles like you and Fox News would have us all believe.
@Maxwedge12000 "Everybody is broke, there is no more money." - Have you gone batshit crazy?! Wake up! There is more money right now than any other point in history - it's just in the hands of a very few extraordinarily rich people, rather than more evenly distributed as in the past. Do you realize from 1965-1981 the tax rate on the rich was 70%, and before that, even higher? Why is it that now that it's 35% we're suddenly broke? Why hasn't all that money 'trickled down' like it was supposed to?
@johnny5k You have been terribly mislead my friend. The rich already pay most of the federal income taxes in this country. The top 1% pay 39% of all federal income taxes, which happens to be 2% higher then they did in 2000 when Bush took office. The top 25% of incomes pay 86% of all federal income taxes and the top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. The bottom 50%, pay a mere 3%. Forget about tax rates, just look at how much they pay. to be continued.
@Maxwedge12000 But let us look at rates to for the fun of it. Let's tax the rich at 100%. In fact, let's not only take all of their income, lets take all of their assets. Let's take their homes, cars, yachts, businesses, stocks, jewelery, clothes, art works, everything. Let's leave them penniless and naked on the streets. All of that wealth would not run the federal government for 5 months. Then what? Low taxes are not the problem, government spending is.
@Maxwedge12000 why don't you play the same game on the other side? cut all the spending and services you think a majority of americans would consent to if it the impact of those cuts were spelled out to them. i think you would find a very, very small portion of the budget removed. you also didn't account for the massive corportations like bank of america, GE and exxon who manage to pay no taxes or, in fact, get a tax credit.
@tishhead Oh my God. Look and see how much of our federal budget/deficit is consumed by medicare, social security, medicaid and the interest on our nation debt of $14,000,000,000,000.00. Your answer is to tax corporations? Corporations/business does not pay taxes, they only collect them. Put a tax on any corporation and they just raise their prices to cover the taxes. Consumers pay the taxes, not the corporations. I bet 1)you went to public schools and 2) you never had an economics class.
@Maxwedge12000 thanks for the chuckles. only rightys would talk about other people's education while they're spewing gibberish. corporate tax. look it up. except corporations like GE exxon and bank of america who manage to play games so they pay no taxes on billions in profits. then there is problem B. social security does not add to the deficit. it is required to fund itself and it developed a surplus over the years that it is now depleting. i did like the "oh my god" part, though. nice touch.
@Maxwedge12000 I would hope the rich pay most fed income taxes - they have almost all the money! The top 20% of the people control 84% of all the wealth in this country. So it doesn't make sense to only look at how much they pay & to ignore the tax rates. So while Walker is essentially cutting the wages of public workers by 9%, including workers making only $25,000 a year & barely getting by, these billionaires are still raking in unimaginable amounts of money, even after they're taxed.
@booley Bull shit. When the democrats controlled Wisconsin, two years ago they passed their budget 24 hours after introducing it. Virtually no time for amendments nor discussion. That is how things are done here.
Negotiating and compromising is just accepting defeat incrementally. The democrats and their greedy union followers just cannot handle being in the minority. But they will get used to it.
@booley It is exactly the same. The majority pushes their agenda and if the minority does not like it, tough titties. That is how it is done here in Wisconsin. Don't count your chickens until they hatch.
@booley "No it is not. Majority rules does not mean that the minority now has no say whats so ever." Then you should have bitching when Doyle and his dems ran the show and completely ignored the Republicans. What goes around, comes around. That is how Wisconsin works. Majority rules. We know this, you don't.
Wow, these Reps. are sickening! Recall them all! You have the rest of the nation behind you. Those of you in WI that don't think public opinion is with the workers are sorely mistaken. I am a small business owner in CA and this is a disgusting display of the misuse of government power. I pay a higher tax rate than most, 20% which I am ok with because I know that it is necessary to keep society functioning. Good luck when your test scores plummet and illegal workers are brought in to do the work
@kenannmartin You are not paying nearly enough taxes as your state of California is in the financial shitter. You should pay 50% of your income to bail out you state and don't waste anytime worrying about other states until you figure out how to fix yours.
@stetsonwalker They couldn't do the job they were hired for, because the Republicans wouldn't let there be any debate. Walker & the Republicans never once mentioned collective bargaining rights during the election - that is NOT what 'we' elected them to do. To push it through like this - with a clearly ILLEGAL vote - goes against everything democracy stands for.
@KiwiCrossing Don't you get it yet? democrats stand for NOTHING...and run like dogs when the going gets rough! BTW, this is how the health care bill was rammed through, except the republicans did not go on vacation, they stuck it out! Kind of hurts when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it!
RECALL WALKER 2012!
Peter Barca for Assembly Speaker 2012!
rjl1184 4 months ago
WI GOP have no respect for law and order. Recall the bastards!
fullerjohn1119 7 months ago
Now that the judge said it was in fact a violation of the open meetings law. Well its not like Fitzy boy can say no one told him, Barca is yelling it right at him, all they would have had to do is give 24 hour notice to this and it would have passed. What clows the WI republicans are
enjoyitbro 9 months ago
@enjoyitbro turns out it was the democrats that were wrong.
starview1 8 months ago
Judge Sumi ruled that the open meetings law WAS VIOLATED this morning and struck down the law's passing.
All I can say is THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!
Effedup 9 months ago
@Effedup That's great news! At least there's still a small sign of integrity in our government!
johnny5k 9 months ago
@Effedup the State Supreme Court ruled Sumi's judgement WRONG, and no laws were violated, the democrats that ran in the face of their duty as elected officials should be fired! Further.. Sumi made a political ruleing, not a legal ruling and that was wrong. Sumi apparently had no idea of what is Wisconsin law. Barca apparently is also not aware of the proper proceedures either.
starview1 8 months ago
@Effedup I rather thank Judge Sumi.
jimmyg4life 3 weeks ago
Children failing correlates directly with class size. I assure you that less money to schools will increase class sizes and the failure rate will in turn increase. Dont blame the teachers, blame the faulty system you support.
AlchemyIndxVol2 11 months ago
As a Madison, WI resident, I want to say thank you to all of you that have supported my state during this. SOLIDARITY!
MsLilyth 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000: As I was saying, I will use my money to recall your asinine Gov. & Rep. senators if I want. My state will be just fine now that we have someone competent in charge and not some former actor or a CEO! Why don't you go back to watching the Fox Propaganda Channel and I'll use my money how I see fit; to make sure WI's backward laws for worker's rights don't spread here like a disease!
kenannmartin 11 months ago
@kenannmartin We will be watching Kalifornia very closely. It is a great lesson of what happens when democrats run the show.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@CTrace Your statement is bred in ignorance. It does not require a college degree to teach children successfully and in light of the terrible results of our public education systems, college degrees in education may be a deterrent to educating children well. 60% of our public school 8th graders are not proficient readers and everyone of those in that 60% has been taught by several college educated teachers. Figure it out.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 WI Public workers SHOULD make more than private sector - they're more educated! 59% of full-time WI public workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared with 30% in the private sector. So when you actually figure in education, public employees are actually paid LESS than private sector for someone with the same education level. Teachers, nurses, police, all are well educated, and make up the majority of public workers. Or maybe you want non-college educated teachers..
johnny5k 11 months ago
@johnny5k A college degree does not entitle anyone to anything. A degree gets you in the door and after that it is performance that matters. All of our public school teachers have 4 year degrees and 60% of our 8th graders cannot read at a proficient level. With those results, you can take all of those degrees and wipe your ass with them as they are doing our children little good. Yes, I want non-college educated teachers as the educated ones have failed our kids terribly.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 "Yes, I want non-college educated teachers" You've got to be kidding me. You're going the wrong way. If we valued teachers more, and paid them better salaries, the profession would attract more of our brightest people. I agree that tenure & seniority deciding who stays needs to be dropped, and we neet to reward performance, but you can't seriously want uneducated people teaching our kids! We should pinpoint the problems - not just privatize the entire system.
johnny5k 11 months ago
@johnny5k 60% of our state's eighth graders are not proficient readers. Tell me again why those teaching these children need to valued? Tell me again how important their degrees are. You are suggesting that we take teachers, who are failing our children on a massive scale and value them more and pay them more. That's crazy. As long as they are unionized, they will fail our children. No way a union is going to give up seniority, no way. Privatizing is the only way that has promise.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 It is not the teachers who have failed, it is the children. At the end of the day, it's the CHILD'S responsibility to take their school work seriously and to help themselves succeed. Do you have kids? You can raise them the right way all you want but if they are going to do bad things and lead a bad life, that's on them, not on you. Teachers offer the chance to succeed, whether or not the child does is on them. You have clearly shown how uneducated you are.
MsLilyth 11 months ago
@MsLilyth Then we should pay children to learn then because teaching teachers to teach is not working very well. If teachers do not like the changes that are coming they are free to seek other types of employment.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 Actually its the parents that have failed. You are in charge of the kids education. You are obviously not monitoring the kids performance
mrwilson41 9 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 First of all, cite your source. Second, you're assuming a direct correlation between teacher education and student outcomes without accounting for the influence of other factors (e.g., income level, family status, teacher-student ratio, quality of materials, teacher compensation).
pumpsiegr 9 months ago
@pumpsiegr The source of the data is US department of education. Just do a google search with these terms, "wisconsin 8th graders not proficient readers". You have my point all wrong. Johnny5k stated that public workers should make more then private sector workers because they are more educated. Total BS, but I am attacking the value of teaching degrees and I am not assuming any correlation between teacher education and student outcomes as the results prove.
Maxwedge12000 9 months ago
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@johnny5k: First of all, cite your source. Second, you're assuming a direct correlation between teacher education and student outcomes without accounting for the influence of other factors (e.g., income level, family status, teacher-student ratio, quality of materials, teacher compensation).
pumpsiegr 9 months ago
Get rid of all unions. I worked for a union and when I said something that I didn't agree on about a union worker not working and still getting paid, I was canned. Get rid of this fast as we can and each state will prosper!
redcindie 1 year ago 2
It's interesting, the responses by pro-democrats have been well thought out and have insightful commentary. The pro-republicans seem to be one sentence snipes that don't carry much thought or reasoning.
Example: Stetsonwalker- You say "It is kind of like the health care bill." How is this like the health care bill? In what sense? Where do you draw the comparison?
If you actually care to debate you should speak your mind and in turn listen to the others speaking their minds.
peterleedean 1 year ago 5
This is what democracy looks like!
orlandodolphin 1 year ago 4
The teacher haters will lose.
The republicans won't even get the signatures.
The worm has turned for Wisconsin.
MrWhylie 1 year ago
@MrWhylie We don't hate the teachers, we hate their arrogance, which is only matched by their greed and incompetence.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
wahh wahh..."open meeeetings law!!!....wahhh...
What a whiner! Sheesh. They leave the state, clearly abusing a legal loophole; then try to cite some insignificant 24 hour notice law, which doesn't apply during this emergency session anyway, when it favors them. Unions cause unemployement by raising the wage higher than natural deman would set it.
720Jeff 1 year ago
@720Jeff yeah, we certainly wouldn't want open meeting laws. next thing you know, democracy might break out. or do you want to have open meeting laws but just not enforce them? and if unions are so bad, you must be truly appalled that the wisconsin gov exempted 2 unions from his bill -- the 2 that supported him in the election.
tishhead 1 year ago 5
What the brave democrats did is all laid out in Wisconsin's constitution.
I bet you don't have a problem with Walker trying to amend the constitution to require a super majority to pass any tax increases. We do no t want to be like California a state that is actually broke because of procedural shenanigans and no tax pledges.
The biggest lie in all of this is that Wisconsin is broke
robochimpx 1 year ago 2
Hey you democrats. STFU and let the grown ups run the government.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
@Maxwedge12000 oh yeah, look at the video. those are the grownups all right. holding their little illegal vote while someone is trying to point out that they are breaking the law, and then running away. the repubs are like little kids with their fingers in their ears repeating "i can't hear you." that's ok, the recall move against one of the repubs is now polling at 54 percent yes and it's 57 percent yes against another. say goodbye to you careers, repubs.
tishhead 1 year ago 7
@tishhead Democrats whine and hide for 3 weeks to avoid doing their job. Republicans then circumvent with parliamentary maneuvers and outplay them at their own game It's so funny. Our politicians on both sides of the aisle are a disgrace. We're back in the sandbox in kindergarden.
biggerturtle 1 year ago
@biggerturtle actually, the dems didn't whine. yes, they left the state to slow the process and it became clear that what the gov was doing was purely political and clearly against the wishes of a large majority of the wisconsin people. he will pay the price for that. he is doing the bidding of the koch brothers and other corporations. it has nothing to do with the budget. why do you think he just happened to exempt the only 2 unions that supported him?
tishhead 1 year ago 4
@tishhead The radical lefties lost the election and they will lose this battle as well. There are more taxpayers in WIsconsin then greedy public employees making their $100,000+ salaries and a benefits packages most Wisconsinites can only dream of. The pigs have to be beaten away from the public trough because we are out of slop for them.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
@Maxwedge12000 i love it when rightys are not only wrong, but hugely, massively wrong. check every poll taken since this started, including the ones done by fox and rasmussen. the repubs have stepped in it big time. many repub careers will end because of this and good riddance. and your concept of public employees is laughable. yep, it's all those teachers and social workers living in mansions that are destroying the country. what a stooge. and why exempt the 2 unions that supported the gov?
tishhead 1 year ago
@tishhead There is no more money to pay these people's costs for their Cadillac benefits. No matter what happens, the economic day of reckoning quickly approaches. Everybody is broke, there is no more money.
These is no more money no matter what party is running the show. Things that are unsustainable have a great tendency to come to an end.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
@Maxwedge12000 problems with your argument: 1. the unions conceded on the financial points almost immediately, the debate was about collective bargaining. 2. the gov exempted the 2 unions that supported him in the election. 3. wisconsin was not broke until the gov passed a package of corporate tax breaks, the size of which almost exactly equals the now projected deficit. 4. in other repub run states the money taken from workers is being given directly to rich and corps in tax breaks.
tishhead 1 year ago
I will take your post point by point. 1)"1. the unions conceded on the financial points almost immediately, the debate was about collective bargaining." There are 72 counties, over 450 school districts and over 1,000 municipalities that all have separate labor contracts that are negotiated individually at different times. It is not possible for any union, or group of unions to agree to concede anything until these individual contracts expire. What you claimed was not only wrong, but silly
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 "2. the gov exempted the 2 unions that supported him in the election." Rewarding your friends in politics is the norm. Just go ask obama. I don't like either but that's how it is.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 wisconsin was not broke until the gov passed a package of corporate tax breaks, the size of which almost exactly equals the now projected deficit." Not true. The budget deficit you are referring to is the 160 million dollar deficit that exists from now until June 30th. Walkers tax cuts (141 million) do not take effect until the next fiscal year. The two are unrelated. We do however have a 3.6 BILLION dollar debt over the next two years. That is the real issue. We are broke
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 thank you for completely destroying what tiny microscopic shred of integrity your argument had. either it's about the "crisis" or it isn't. the 2 pro-gov unions exempted happen to have among the most generous taxpayer-funded benefits. that's how it is. you and the gov are frauds.
tishhead 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 "There is no more money to pay these people's costs for their Cadillac benefits." - Seriously?! I have 2 sisters and about a dozen friends who are teachers. I assure you, not a single one of them is living luxurious lifestyles like you and Fox News would have us all believe.
johnny5k 1 year ago
@johnny5k I really don't care how they live, it is how much they make in salary and benefits. Look them up, it is public information.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 "Everybody is broke, there is no more money." - Have you gone batshit crazy?! Wake up! There is more money right now than any other point in history - it's just in the hands of a very few extraordinarily rich people, rather than more evenly distributed as in the past. Do you realize from 1965-1981 the tax rate on the rich was 70%, and before that, even higher? Why is it that now that it's 35% we're suddenly broke? Why hasn't all that money 'trickled down' like it was supposed to?
johnny5k 1 year ago
@johnny5k You have been terribly mislead my friend. The rich already pay most of the federal income taxes in this country. The top 1% pay 39% of all federal income taxes, which happens to be 2% higher then they did in 2000 when Bush took office. The top 25% of incomes pay 86% of all federal income taxes and the top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. The bottom 50%, pay a mere 3%. Forget about tax rates, just look at how much they pay. to be continued.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 But let us look at rates to for the fun of it. Let's tax the rich at 100%. In fact, let's not only take all of their income, lets take all of their assets. Let's take their homes, cars, yachts, businesses, stocks, jewelery, clothes, art works, everything. Let's leave them penniless and naked on the streets. All of that wealth would not run the federal government for 5 months. Then what? Low taxes are not the problem, government spending is.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 why don't you play the same game on the other side? cut all the spending and services you think a majority of americans would consent to if it the impact of those cuts were spelled out to them. i think you would find a very, very small portion of the budget removed. you also didn't account for the massive corportations like bank of america, GE and exxon who manage to pay no taxes or, in fact, get a tax credit.
tishhead 11 months ago
@tishhead Oh my God. Look and see how much of our federal budget/deficit is consumed by medicare, social security, medicaid and the interest on our nation debt of $14,000,000,000,000.00. Your answer is to tax corporations? Corporations/business does not pay taxes, they only collect them. Put a tax on any corporation and they just raise their prices to cover the taxes. Consumers pay the taxes, not the corporations. I bet 1)you went to public schools and 2) you never had an economics class.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 thanks for the chuckles. only rightys would talk about other people's education while they're spewing gibberish. corporate tax. look it up. except corporations like GE exxon and bank of america who manage to play games so they pay no taxes on billions in profits. then there is problem B. social security does not add to the deficit. it is required to fund itself and it developed a surplus over the years that it is now depleting. i did like the "oh my god" part, though. nice touch.
tishhead 11 months ago
@Maxwedge12000 I would hope the rich pay most fed income taxes - they have almost all the money! The top 20% of the people control 84% of all the wealth in this country. So it doesn't make sense to only look at how much they pay & to ignore the tax rates. So while Walker is essentially cutting the wages of public workers by 9%, including workers making only $25,000 a year & barely getting by, these billionaires are still raking in unimaginable amounts of money, even after they're taxed.
johnny5k 11 months ago
@tishhead Also note that at :50 Barca says, "...it requires 24...at least 2 hours notice." Which is it? Barca is full of shit.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
@Maxwedge12000 Grown ups discuss things. They are willing to negotiate. Grown ups don't try to screw over other people.
Grown ups don't feel the need to lie and trick others just to get their way,
booley 1 year ago 8
@booley Bull shit. When the democrats controlled Wisconsin, two years ago they passed their budget 24 hours after introducing it. Virtually no time for amendments nor discussion. That is how things are done here.
Negotiating and compromising is just accepting defeat incrementally. The democrats and their greedy union followers just cannot handle being in the minority. But they will get used to it.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
@Maxwedge12000 apparently you missed what just occurred.
What you claim the democrats did long ago is NOT what the Republicans just did.
And considering hwo well this whole thing has gone for the GOP's popularity, they will be in the eminority soon.
booley 1 year ago
@booley It is exactly the same. The majority pushes their agenda and if the minority does not like it, tough titties. That is how it is done here in Wisconsin. Don't count your chickens until they hatch.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
@Maxwedge12000 No it is not. Majority rules does not mean that the minority now has no say whats so ever.
And considering how incredibly unpopular this is, this isn't even representing the majority in Wisconsin.
So your argument fails on both sides.
booley 1 year ago
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@booley "No it is not. Majority rules does not mean that the minority now has no say whats so ever." Then you should have bitching when Doyle and his dems ran the show and completely ignored the Republicans. What goes around, comes around. That is how Wisconsin works. Majority rules. We know this, you don't.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
Wow, these Reps. are sickening! Recall them all! You have the rest of the nation behind you. Those of you in WI that don't think public opinion is with the workers are sorely mistaken. I am a small business owner in CA and this is a disgusting display of the misuse of government power. I pay a higher tax rate than most, 20% which I am ok with because I know that it is necessary to keep society functioning. Good luck when your test scores plummet and illegal workers are brought in to do the work
kenannmartin 1 year ago 17
@kenannmartin You are not paying nearly enough taxes as your state of California is in the financial shitter. You should pay 50% of your income to bail out you state and don't waste anytime worrying about other states until you figure out how to fix yours.
Maxwedge12000 11 months ago
This is a disgrace.
RECALL ALL 18 OF THEM!
KiwiCrossing 1 year ago 11
@KiwiCrossing
NO RECALL the 14 Fleabags!!!!!!!!!
CubsFanJohn 8 months ago
If the democrats had been doing the job they were hired for.... They would continue to stay out of Wisconsin.
And they are
robochimpx 1 year ago 2
It is kind of like the health care bill...shoe hurts when it is on the other foot...does it not!
stetsonwalker 1 year ago
If the democrats had been doing the job they were hired for....
stetsonwalker 1 year ago
@stetsonwalker They couldn't do the job they were hired for, because the Republicans wouldn't let there be any debate. Walker & the Republicans never once mentioned collective bargaining rights during the election - that is NOT what 'we' elected them to do. To push it through like this - with a clearly ILLEGAL vote - goes against everything democracy stands for.
KiwiCrossing 1 year ago
@KiwiCrossing Don't you get it yet? democrats stand for NOTHING...and run like dogs when the going gets rough! BTW, this is how the health care bill was rammed through, except the republicans did not go on vacation, they stuck it out! Kind of hurts when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it!
stetsonwalker 1 year ago