GSPA - Ace vs DarkForce - G4 - Ro8 - PvZ - Winners Bracket

[asimolok]

too much rice for koreans, go go germany !!!

[skaternate]

Ace, what was that!?!? You use to be one of my favorites.

[MontyBrimstone]

masterful performance

[MRmels1]

kinda irritates me that i already know how this game is gonna end. not because of the comments. but since there are only 4 games and darkforce already won 2 of them

[DeadlyKeyboard3]

Hello, my name handle name is Yahmacka and

I just started a youtube channel 3 day ago.

I will be uploading mostly protoss videos but much vidoes on request. All videos will be in Superb 1080 P quality

[goherd3112]

Wow! How do you rotate the camera?

[rgbatheist]

@goherd3112 delete

[whitemanwii]

Zerg I think needs to be buffered... because any time I'm terran or protoss if they don't early rush, terran and protoss become OP its stupid... and how long it takes to make units with zerg, like brood lords and what not... zerg need to be buffered more.

[BHP2412]

I LOVE U HUSKY <33333333333

[Nulloh]

I would love to see fan art of Day9 shooting eagles with fangs.

[Assaultpredator]

Rines are too effective vs too many things, and with god micro own even their "counters"

sigh mules + rines... And i remember when complaining about 100% salvage refund was called noob.

it's obvious some aspects of the game still need tweaking, to deny that is just pathetic.

look up the day9 idra state of the game, its another great point raised.

[TheMoocow2009]

@Assaultpredator Wait... are you sure you're posting this on the right video? Given that you're complaining about marines on a video of a ZvP (!), I doubt it. If there's anything that's pathetic, it's someone who whines so much that they don't even wait for a game that could even vaguely illustrate they point.

Also, I don't recall anyone ever being called "noob" for complaining about 100% salvage refund.

[Assaultpredator]

@TheMoocow2009

It was in response to the last 3 games uploaded with the same zerg player and how he was the "control" so to speak in the example that a terran player can make many many mistakes and still come out ahead in the mid game of a zerg. easily.

leap frogging, simple turret placement and rine control = zerg waiting for a mistake, and no amount of skill will change that.

Look up idra vs day9 . illustrates this point very well.

[CristyS89]

3:25 did he say a TURD base?

[CoDisAwesome1995]

twtich(dot)tv/elebumm for fail bronze league gameplay.

[cbsavage6657]

This video reminded me of how the zerg would actually be like in real life, continuously attacking, creep spreading closer and closer to the enemies base. Man it makes me want to watch a SC2 movie lol. Wish they would come out with one.

[reagestme]

lol is that strongest zerg in germany???

[bballsniper]

sometimes i'm not even watching the video...i'm doing other things while listening to husky's voice in the bg lloool

[BobbbyDylan]

@bballsniper

You have issues...



[hotstuffwatcher]

@BobbbyDylan w8 u DONT do that? your weird

[jonah232]

@bballsniper lol that's all I do XD

I was doing it right now, scrolling through comments while waiting for myo ther stuff to load lol.

[santaswords]

if you were living in starcraft, I think it would be creepy how all the minerals you need for anything are all conveniately located right next to each other in the same perfect lineup

[footyshoey3]

god damnit stop fucking up with the void ray omfg

[potthead04]

Tekken Queens for the win!!!

[GAPT2000]

"thinly" lol

[babarush]

To counter battlecrusiers, bribe them with vodka

[Schnittlauchjim]

Overlord bauen!

[RobinHood3000]

I think Ace's gameplay here illustrates why every pro gamer would probably want to read some articles on game design at one point in his/her career. Void Rays' damage goes up with time => they need to be shooting as long as possible => Void Rays are WAY better in multiples that can tank for each other until most/all of them can reach that critical third DPS level.

[mns983]

@RobinHood3000 That's just simple game mechanics. No game design knowledge needed. Even most bronze players know how Void rays work. You really think Ace doesn't know that?

[RobinHood3000]

@mns983 I don't doubt that Ace knows how Void Rays work, and I mean no disrespect to him, because I'm positive I've seen him play better. But I disagree that everyone intuitively knows how Void Rays work and can understand how best to use them. If that were the case, the "single fast Void Ray" play wouldn't have been as popular in the metagame as it has.

[joji64theninja]

@RobinHood3000

I'm more than sure that EVERY pro gamer knows that. That is what a void ray is, what makes the void ray what it is. That's the point of the void ray being so weak initially. that is the very basic of unit knowledge. That would be like trying to tell everyone about how phoenixes can move and attack at the same time.

[Rllxeron]

18:52 Broodlord Micro :D !!!

[gublaman]

@staphinfection You definitely don't play SC2 (or maybe you're bronze/silver). Queens are the zerg's early game defense against hellion and void harass. They inject larva. How are they useless? Getting creep spread isn't difficult if you have 1 extra queen specially made to do so. You have been complaining non stop about Zerg being Up and toss Op. The game is balanced you dumbass.

[Airstrip19]

proof that terran is OP.

[Gurivr]

@Airstrip19 agreed

[FrostiNLD]

@Airstrip19 Proof that joke is old.

[hayatesasaki]

@Airstrip19 This is where I quote someone from one of these videos's comments, Terran in'y op, MMA is

[tmacker12]

@Airstrip19 they not op but are the only balanced group in the game so the are harder to beat because they are a hybrid of bio and mech builds

[vUlcAnnEckgrIp]

great series great casters great games!

[StarifiedSmiley]

Go Critters!

[fa11inleaf]

I usually like toss cause zerg so op, but gawd ace always making such poor decisions with vrays =_=

[TheSloppyNachoz]

Go Zeerg!<3

[hamsterminator]

I don't like the way the Roach has become the default Zerg unit. They're just far better than anything else in the Zerg army cost for cost.

[PhilToTheMax]

@hamsterminator heard of the infestor? they are really good

[TheTrufflehunter]

@hamsterminator saying that is like complaining about the common use of marines or stalkers, there are just some staple units which people will always build, its what else they build which determines their success

[J4ckTheBrujah]

I missed those "fenoooooooomenal" lines!

[phrozen17]

@J4ckTheBrujah Phenomenal spelling!

[J4ckTheBrujah]

I missed those "fenoooooooomenal" lines!

[Hreinn91]

Ace wtf are you doing, fuck. Dont get Voids if you dont know how to use them....

[Claww100]

can u stop uh-ing /oh-ing??because the vid looks like a p**n:D

GG

[anu606]

3:25 turd base and tekken queen?

[detBits]

ace is a pro? lolololol

[bCupon]

Did ace forget how to play SC2? So many mistakes D:

[mikefreak13]

Anti spoiler bids! Its a win win

[Tmathh]

ace uses stargate every game hahah



[DeBiox]

@Dandelion7777777777 u think u're funny?

[mechakinggidora]

lol at 17:33

Zergling: Bill I have to tell you something.....

Roach: What is it Jeremy?

Zergling: I slept with Kate

Roach: ............ DIEEEEEE!!!!!!!

[JRGamingInc]

Ace what an Ace

[alamoallies]

he may be tenacious, but im not very impressed by ace

[xxxXSmokeyXxxx]

Darkforce is so good. Under 1k-1k while on 6 base, and maxed. Amazing.

[TrickKae]

Protoss - There can be only one!

[jcards94]

anyone see the random mutalisk at 16: 10? clearly a game changer

[TheTrumpetWhoCould]

what happened to TLO?

[Fallen28Pker]

@TheTrumpetWhoCould he had carpol tunnel

[DeBiox]

@TheTrumpetWhoCould he had health-problems... he never really recovered from his carpal-tunnel syndrome, he does not perform that well since

[monkeyturds]

0:47 and there's the GG

[staphinfection]

You can't MIX your queens in your army UNTIL you have 6+ bases, full creep spread, etc etc..... because you won't have the larva to remake your army, and without creep spread, queens are fucking WORTHLESS.

So, if all those things are done, then by all means, mix your queens into your army.

[TheClaybones]

@staphinfection There is a reason they call them defensive units. They take almost no splash damage because of their size and they only take bonus damage from archons. Not to mention they have the ability to block ramps from hellions (2 can keep out lings). Not to mention 1 larva=spine/spore/roach. Also on two base when you need gas, 150 minerals is cheap. I'm not sure what else I can say to defend them other than if you played BW and you remember vultures you would know why queens are great.

[staphinfection]

QUEENS ARE NOT CHEAP!! They cost 150 MINERALS.... They don't take larva, so that's nice, but they are not "cheap".

[metalica941]

@staphinfection they're cheaper than void rays though

[KelDG1]

Husky, don't say it, you can manage.... don't say it... //"Time after time"// nooooooooooooooo :)

[Drei242]

15:16 SMILEY FACE :D

[Bankai1484]

I cant believe that artosis pylon survived the whole game

[ModestMousekateer]

All the buildings are facing the same way in order to maximize the Feng Shui guys. Come on, this is common knowledge.

[carrionpigeons]

Ace used to be so good with air. He was like the scariest toss there was because his air play was so amazing. What happened?

[C0nstellati0ns]

"Oh it's so tight!" -"YEAH!" wait.. wut? O.o

[7moooo1]

@C0nstellati0ns hmmm are they gay ?

[pedroholy1]

awesome series

[123Bali]

Ace was not an ace in those games.

[genehoang]

that's so sad to watch the last toss getting owned, I love toss :'(

[nintynomreader]

Why did Ace throw the last 2 games? What a dull series.

[giliuscaesar]

that's a quick turd base imo

[BrootalBandito]

I feel like there is a huge skill gap in this game.....

[Arik1989]

No matter what happens next, I just stopped after the attack that started at 10:05 and I'm still trying to separate my palm from my face to watch the rest of this video. wtf. really.

[scheepr42]

Enable the beta subtitels and start at 0:50, just epic :D

[agostinho1234]

the only thing that i think that sc2 needs to work right now is to decrease roach's hp to 125 since in late game they are hard to kill and zerg if played right has a lot of money stocked. In terran, making marauder dealing less damage so, stalker can win him in a 1v1 but of course stalkers will be anihilate with an stimpacked marauders (which is fair)

[chaotisms]

turd base?

[libertysprime]

GOOO ZERG!

[Fr0Benjamin]

IS it just me or do they say lots of things wrong in almost each cast ?

not to be negative or something , but i don't like it ^^

[NeoRagnarokX]

Ace is so fucking stupid at using void rays, it makes me angry.

[vibonacci]

wp by darkforce but if Ace would have had 6/7 sentries all the time the splitting up would kill the zerg roach ball.. like it always does.

[CapitaineRex69]

@c0mmissar1 Yes, if the new unit is multifonctional :D

[TheFallenAngel89]

Go Germany! ;D

[LordofBlackrock]

hes taking a turd base?! day... youre the best

[Insomnia1234o00o]

Thanks blizzrd for removing two upgrades of protoss, now there will be TvT finals in every tournaments.

[PluralP]

Wow, that map looks so weird from the side

[NickBDT86]

protross



[Immigrant312]

no toss=boring

[LuminoHSR]

Trollforce

[kcen4br]

protoss players are just bad. protoss as a race is still op, not under powered. there just aren't any top top protoss players

[LtHenryCrunch]

@kcen4br Really? The races are nearly perfectly balanced. There are high level pros in every race. I don't understand how people can continue to call OP.

[scruffy032893]

ace is so greedy with his VR kills

[warriorofguitar]

Man someones gotta find the counter to infestor brood. I mean it sounds easy jusy saying like get mass phoenix and high templars and stalkers and that stuff but's its super tough, and zergs are so good a transitions so if by some miracle you actually do kill those infestor brood, a swarm of roaches and lings just spawn and toss sadly cant transition just as fast.

[FALCO64125]

@warriorofguitar He was countering the infestors and broods fine. The only saving grace for zerg was he was 2 base (4 gas) up over his opponent for all of that late game. The difficulty you see zerg having in simply beating his opponent despite being so far ahead doesn't display brood/infestor OP at all.

[Owntkthx]

@warriorofguitar

toss player here:

to transition out of killing the infestor/broods, hit "W" and hit "s" and "z" a shitton of times.

[CapitaineRex69]

@DarktroopX You're right micro is very effective in pro games, like the macro, and Ace micro in this game was shit, even if the decision making was good. But i just wanted to say my opinion to all the guys that say :"protoss need to evolve like zerg/terran" that protoss don't have as many possibilities as then. It's just protoss gameplay which is like this.

[agent00puffball]

Protoss... You need some changes, but I'm sticking with you. Brotoss 4 Life. Aiur will again have it's day.

[necroticmoose]

Poor protoss...You will be remembered....once HotS does a complete redesign of u...

[SirChristoffee]

@necroticmoose I don't think that is going to be the main objective of the Zerg expansion, but I'm sure that each race will get some good changes/additions here and there

[erictung]

JEFF!! DOWN THERE!!!!!!!

[Torontoflatlander]

Anyone ever notice Day9's commentary is just like the annoying guy at the movie theater who overreacts to everything?

[BlanknWhite]

@Torontoflatlander I don't think overreacting is a problem, I loved the overreacting Korean commentators in broodwar :)

[adidasx45]

wow the toss guy shouldn't even be in the same league..way outplayed

[nosferyon]

i miss carriers ):

[CBlumey]

Don't use His Name in vain.

[InsaneClown541]

I don't play sc2 but roach burrow is so OP they got fully health in like 5secs

[lackluster12]

what is ace's APM? his control sucks!

[thesilentbeasty]

Why do u people thumbs up spoilers and make them top comments?

[Fayn7]

@thesilentbeasty

> only 4 games

> Zerg up 2-1

> how can you NOT work out who wins....?

[ubxp]

@Fayn7 Not everyone looks at the games played

[MrSuednym]

I'm calling Zerg before even watching seeing as how this is the last one that was uploaded...

[mansakwasse]

@MDSVes I wish more Zerg's would use that strategy!!! Spanishiwa used that for a while, but I don't see it very often.

[SirChristoffee]

@mansakwasse As gas been said, at this level of play micro/micro (hell, APM) is the main decider in these games. Using Nyduses just to jump units from one base to another is another thing to manage, not to mention that units take a while to come out. 10 Ultras are fine, 50 zerglings not so much. Not to mention that is yet another tech path to deal with. Though I do use this in 3v3 to jump my army between ally bases to help them

[beatlesguyEM]

Thumbs up if you play SC1 on your laptop while pooping

[l1s1d4]

I think ace was lagging, you could see it in the gameplay

[yodaoncrak]

Ace was so passive i would of had better timing counter attacks and im in gold

[mansakwasse]

@MDSVes That's true, but Protoss units are a fair amount stronger than Zerg units. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the Protoss system is OP or anything like that. I think that a Zerg player who's bases are connected by creep can spawn and rally a force more easily than any other race, but if you destroy the creep and separate the bases with your army it can be difficult to reinforce. The Zerg system seems to me much more effective offensively.

[Insomnia1234o00o]

@mansakwasse

Protoss' gateway units are not stronger than the zerg unit at all, not cost effective.

[lucasvandam]

@Insomnia1234o00o they are actualy, 1 stalker vs 1 hydra it is a TIE (they both die) 1 roach vs 1 stalker = stalker wins

[Insomnia1234o00o]

@lucasvandam

Hydra cost 100 min 50 gas, roch cost 75 min 25 gas, while stalker cost 125 min 50 gas. And, stalker doesn't win against roach in 1v1.

[HeIemeri]

@Insomnia1234o00o Btw. Stalker wins a roach 1v1

[timebrewer]

@Insomnia1234o00o But roach can't shoot up or blink!

[lucasvandam]

@Insomnia1234o00o Stalker actualy DOES win a 1v1 against a roach. and a hydra doesnt counters anything that toss makes except for immortals and non blink stalkers. when a roach and a stalker fight against each other the stalker wins with like 20-40 hp left

[Insomnia1234o00o]

@lucasvandam

It does? Well, what about 3/3 roach vs 3/3 stalker? I'm pretty sure Stalker will lose this time. And Stalker can Blink, but roach can tunnel and regen faster.

[lucasvandam]

@Insomnia1234o00o 1/1 roach = 1/1 stalkers the only thing equil upgrades does is make buildings weaker :P

But I guess ur right about the tunneling thing, burrow micro requires nice APM but it is a battle breaker.

[jiji1992jiji]

Well, no race in this game is stupidly overpowered atm... Every race has its strong points, Ace played awful these games and I'm confused why - probably latency I guess? No idea really. Calling zerg op because of ace's uncharacteristic terrible play is retarded and something some ladder scrub would do. Pro players are good enough to comment on balance, I highly doubt anyone who complains about balance on youtube is that good at this game. Including myself, plat league ftw.

[ykwok321]

Dang Ace sucks balls.

[caffeineissuperfun]

Mass roach is just so boring to watch ;_;

[Enigura]

With both Terran and Zerg build changing, it will be manditory that Protoss change as well. But even with that being said, there is no excuse for such sloppy play.

[saladin2020]

The reason his vr play was so fail is because darkforce was totally expecting it, producing lots of queens even before his vr reaches the zerg's base. It will only be effective if he caught the zerg by surprise, and of course with some good micro. I don't see toss being underpowered at all, look at the number of toss players in GSL as compared to the zergs.

[soopamariogalaxeee]

how did you rotate the camera like that?

[PrinceOsiris]

For the swarm... oh and nice creep spread.

[mansakwasse]

@MDSVes Yea, but it takes a lot more money, time and space to mass hatcheries. Most Zerg players only build one or two hatche's away from mineral patches. So you have Zerg's production spread out over a wide area with units spawning over a wide area separate from each other. VS a Protoss army being produced from a centralized location and being warped into a centralized location. not to mention warping in takes a lot less time than hatching so more of your army will be intact when you reinforce.

[mansakwasse]

@MDSVes Yea, but it takes a lot more money, time and space to mass hatcheries. Most Zerg players only build one or two hatche's away from mineral patches.

So you have Zerg's production spread out over a wide area with units spawning over a wide area separate from each other. VS a Protoss army being produced from a centralized location and being warped into a centralized location. not to mention warping in takes a lot less time than hatching so more of your army will be intact when you reinforce.

[iammestamanRS]

Zerg and terran are so overpowered compared to protoss :/

[Supcom36]

@iammestamanRS Zerg are OP my ass.

[Silv3rPlanet]

at 4:06 the green liquid in the spawning pool is in the shape of a penis.

[PlayingRandomly]

zerg don t need a nerf ... here is was I think : at medium level protoss is the "easiest" race to control wheareas in pro game, it is the most "mind blocked race"

No doubt zerg is a very hard race to master. In fact in this particular game, take a good look at 10:26 : Darkforce is making 13 drones instead of units (he has just lost all his roaches). With blink stalkier Ace should have make sure DarkForce was speading so larvas and money to make units instead of powerdroning to supermacro mode...

[TreatyOfTripoli]

@MrLonely2 STFU how is that even relevant. bitch

[MrLonely2]

@TreatyOfTripoli how are you even relevant? why so serious !

[MrLonely2]

@TreatyOfTripoli and to answer your question. it catches my eye cause muta isnt the unit darkforce uses the entire game.(it wouldnt even fit to the unit composition!) so obviously it was a misclick from darkforce

[T4Slipped]

Ace just sucked in this series.

[balisong209]

its gonna take 10 years to make sc2 as close to perfectly balanced just like sc1

[snipusmaximus]

@balisong209 THAT IS SOOO TRUE!!!

[SirChristoffee]

@balisong209 Funnily enough, they were still patching SC1 10 years after it was released too.

[ike1218CA]

@balisong209 ahah, you dont know anything about SC1. SC1 has been patch from 1998 to 2003 (something like 10 patches) and thats it.

[ErikTheColbert]

@ike1218CA

Nope... final patch was in 2007. Do some research before you type.

[BeastZidane]

@balisong209 game is already balanced.

[mgyldz]

Collosus FFS!