Socialist Market Economy - China's Key to Success

[MrOnlineprofile]

Double gay

[neonaction]

India need to learn from China. Your caste system is out-dated, impairs social mobility, destroy incentives.

[giriisindahouse]

As an Indian I have full respect to the Chinese. They held to their ideologies, maintained their cultures and are still prospering unlike us. We prefer to follow White asses.

[DarthMai]

China also manipulate their currency...

[sersarsor]

@DarthMai Americans print money

[TelpPov]

@DarthMai so? China doesn't want to end up like Japan whose economic rise was destroyed by U.S. China won't comply with the same accusations done to Japan.

[DarthMai]

Zakaria looks dumb...lol

[DarthMai]

Look at the US brands manufactured in China...and secondly , they steal technologies from overseas..

[DarthMai]

Zakaria of CNN has been so stupid is asking questions...the only way China has progressed was opening its doors to Capitalism and not Socialism. Equity and justice? Look at how the workers are being treated in China...The only was America has been losing jobs is because of increased taxes and regulation and companies invested overseas. Stupid people at CNN are incapable of clear thinking.

[VanillaSnow23]

@DarthMai Creativity is important for civilizations to dominate.;

[TheDybbob89]

@DarthMai taxes got decreased and regulations were softened under Bush...

[Scientisticsoviet]

I like that; visible and invisible hands. Much easier to built a bench with two hands, no?

[brodete]

@Scientisticsoviet agreed!

[Feldkahl]

i do believe they were shot to death. on the other hand, it took massive protest (yes, protest!) to get it done. there was a scent in the air that people might wake up, so the government acted.

[BayAreaOrBust]

Opening up my ass

[LogicalFlawDetector]

Hong Kong is a pure free market. China is mixed. Hong Kong grew from a third world economy to becoming a first world economy -- beating UK, its former colonizer, in living standards.

[Tougemaster06]

@LogicalFlawDetector Standard of living is not quality of living. If a billionaire walks into a room of $10,000naires, the standard of living goes up. That doesn't mean the quality of living goes up for all the people in the room across the board.

[TheEthanwashere]

China is state capitalism...

[asphyxiafeeling]

very interesting! thanks for posting this!

[CrossoverManiac]

Secret to China's success:

1). stealing patents and undercutting the original manufacturers with cheap prison labor

2). Devalue currency

3). Import cheap and tainted goods like poisoned dog food.

[fireking9934]

@CrossoverManiac hahaha..

american scum afraid that china is taking over as the global superpower in the future...

america's economy sucess, was simple

WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR

[CrossoverManiac]

@fireking9934 If you think America is so bad, then you're welcome to leave and live in China, but all you're going to do is talk shit about the US while leeching off of its benevolence. You'll never leave the US for China because deep down inside you know you'll never have it as good as you do here.

[berkshireee]

@CrossoverManiac

Did you copy + paste that from somewhere? I think you mean export, not import. Tainted goods exist in america, too, not just in china.  America is printing money, which is devaluing its currency-making it no better than china.

[CrossoverManiac]

@berkshireee I didn't copy paste that. It's common knowledge China is devaluing its own currency, uses prison labor, and the difference between tainted goods made in the US and China is that, in the US, a company who sold tainted goods would have hell to pay. In China, they do nothing but sell more tainted goods.

[berkshireee]

@CrossoverManiac

Bullshit, the man responsible for inspection was executed for his oversight. In the US, you don't even go to jail for that.

[CrossoverManiac]

@berkshireee One guy wasn't responsible for every single instance that China sold tainted goods.

[berkshireee]

@CrossoverManiac

You're retreating now from your previous points...haha. Seriously, though, no one is going to say China is low on corruption, but it seems some people (like you) have a preconception that America is somehow above that, which is simply wrong.

[CrossoverManiac]

@berkshireee America is above it. The fact you can talk shit about America and not slammed in prison and tortured like they do with dissenters in China is proof that America is better than Communist-ran China.

[berkshireee]

@CrossoverManiac

You're changing subjects once again. We were talking about tainted foods.

America is not above tainted foods.

And now I'm not quite sure what you're talking about.

[Tougemaster06]

@CrossoverManiac But AMerica has done that...Never heard of the Sedition acts?

[RedMusicSinging]

@CrossoverManiac your a dumb piece of shit who knows nothing of China. Last time a company was caught selling tainted milk that killed over 6 adults and 3 children, the owners were sent to a firing squad.

[CrossoverManiac]

@RedMusicSinging You're a fucking liar. China dumps their nasty shit into the country time and time again. For example, the disease-ridden whore that gave birth to you as an example.  Now go ram a hot curling iron up your ass.

[RedMusicSinging]

@CrossoverManiac haha ignorant Amerikkkan, go do the world a favor and put a gun to your head.

[qhtsm9]

@CrossoverManiac This is a typical White-Anglo-Saxxon-Pig. Not to mention that American company's factory in India killed tens of thousands of local civilian in 1980s. White pigs has been killing the third world country people for centuries, and wiped out almost whole American Indian population.

Do you think such a fucked-race like that can represent the justice of human being.?Stop being hypocritical. White Anglo-Saxxon pigs deserves to be nuked to death.

[samrorrrr123]

@qhtsm9

qhtsm9 knows his stuff.

this is not speculation, fiction, or taking sides......

this is undeniable facts of history. and so ppl need to do some homework before they claim to be an expert.

[Jamesjulene]

@qhtsm9 Wait, killing people is wrong so let's kill people who kill people? That is the distilled version of your argument. Some people shouldn't have internet access.

[qhtsm9]

@CrossoverManiac This is a typical White-Anglo-Saxxon-Pig. Not to mention that American company's factory in India killed tens of thousands of local civilian in 1980s. White pigs has been killing the third world country people for centuries, and wiped out almost whole American Indian population.

Do you think such a fucked-race like that can represent the justice of human being.?Stop being hypocritical. White Anglo-Saxxon pigs deserves to be nuked to death.

[TheBrolit]

@CrossoverManiac That's the Navarro-Autry China-peril view right there.

[TheRedNovice]

Assuming that China has become a Capitalist system is small minded . Rather I think that the development of Free Market Socialism has caused China to appear as highly capitalistic. However it has also achieved a steady 9.5% a year growth, which has been achieved through trade with Capitalist states using the Price Mechanism. For the first time in a Communist State workers have begun to be rewarded directly for their Labour, rather than relying on Satellite States, China trades & invests.

[MrOnlineprofile]

gay

[speakingtruthnow]

Such uestioning and counter-questioning is senseless. Let me facilitate a quick answer here. There is capitalism and there is communism, there is also Islamism, and Zionism and many other '~isms out there. 50 years ago my parents ran from Communist Cuba because they did not want me to grow up in Castro's nightmarish HELL of a revolutionary dictatorship. Fine! At that same moment, Angela Davis fled to Castro's Cuba seeking refuge. Everyone has the right to choose as they see fit.

[speakingtruthnow]

I don't see the need to enter into such senseless questioning and counter-questioning. Let me facilitate a quick answer here. There is capitalism and there is communism, there is also Islamism, and Zionism and many other '~isms out there. 50 years ago my parents ran from Communist Cuba because they did not want my sister and I to grow up in Castro's nightmarish HELL of a revolutionary dictatorship. Fine! At that same historical moment, the likes of Angela Davis fled to Castro's Cuba.

[Tougemaster06]

Capitalism is an objective social system. To fault capitalism for being motivated by greed is ignorant, solely because the "Greedy" actions that Capitalist take are apart of how the system works. The constant need for expansion, profits, growth is apart of the external and coercive relations of the market, and the basis of the capitalist mode of production; the maximization of exchange value. To chastise greed, is to individualize and distract from the systemic fundamentals of the system.

[Tougemaster06]

@questfortruth86 not regulate business practices, it would even propitiously promote such practices on the basis of maintaining the value and safety of property according to behavior empiricism- traditionally a conservatively biased way of observing human behavior-(Values of Home ownership going down with the introduction of blacks to traditionally white suburban neighborhoods); the idea that blacks and minorities are prone to destructive behaviour that is dangerous to property and commerce.

[Questfortruth86]

@Tougemaster06

Listen, I'm wholly uninterested in Marxian materialist dogma, where individual actions are entirely determined by the mysterious machinations of the material forces of production, i.e., capital goods. You guys can't have it both ways; either capitalists are entirely driven by the profit motive (greed) or they are irrational and willing to sacrifice huge sources of profit in order to pursue their racist inclinations. Either way, racism predates capitalism (a fact).

[Tougemaster06]

@Questfortruth86 Racism does not predate Capitalism (An actual fact). Racism is a product of Chattel Slavery, which was an essential to build Capitalism.

The discovery of gold and silver in America, the extirpation, enslavement and entombment in mines of the aboriginal population, the beginning of the conquest and looting of the East Indies, the turning of Africa into a warren for the commercial hunting of Black skins, signalized the rosy dawn of the era of capitalist production - Karl Marx

[Tougemaster06]

@questfortruth86

Continued:

that denies "hardworking" whites the spoils of their labor to promote a perceived "undeserving/idle" minority. Secondly, while a business may not act racist openly, it could act racist subtly which would be easily accepted among the American masses. There is plenty of evidence in the promotion of racist practices -subtle but essentially racist-(public and private) that are readily accepted by white Americans, liberal and conservative. The market not only would

[Tougemaster06]

@shadowgeyser Racism is a product of capitalism and is apart of the Capitalist superstructure. How else do you get working class whites in America to support rich people? lol

Secondly, common sense falls second to making a profit. Racially marginalizing doesn't hurt business if the business's ability to make a profit isn't hurt by marginalizing a group. Please look at the economy in reality, not your theory. You are arguing against historical facts with plenty of examples in American history.

[Questfortruth86]

@Tougemaster06

If you acknowledge that racism, or any other form of discrimination, is a bad business practice, i.e., it lowers total potential net revenue that a firm can make (and therefore yields an advantage for its competitors), then it logically follows that the best remedy for such a condition is to allow racist businessmen to lose business rather than forcing them to engage in non-discriminatory good business policies. In other words, we should let racist idiots lose money.

[Tougemaster06]

@Questfortruth86 You seem to think Capitalism is purely economical. You are not looking at the social/class phenomena that happen on top of these market relations, which is reflective of an adherer to bourgeoisie economics. The protestant work ethic, (a black slave mentality filtered through white-nationalist/white supremacist ideology) would promote the existence of racist practices in business on the basis of a person persuing their rights from an overreaching Fed. Gov, often seen as an actor

[Tougemaster06]

@shadowgeyser Don't be stupid. My grandmother was a victim of Jim Crow. Practicing racism is retarded in business, but that didn't stop the majority of Americans form doing it and that certainly isn't stopping a growing amount of white American voters who support repealing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Affirmative Action. Your Libertarian/Capitalist-market fundamentalism is a mental disorder. Understand Capitalism on realistic and scientific basis , not an ideological one.

[skarpzor]

Here in Sweden we got the same model, Not sure if its exactly the same in detail, but we do have a social free market economy.

[bilfo71]

"harmony and stability" something captilism has not been able to achieve. The Middle class are still vunerable to the economic recklessness of the top few, and the disparty with the poor is getting to the point of no return. The verdict is still out on social market economy ....oh and the only reason why Russia is gone 3rd world is becasue it adopted captitalism before that its was 2nd largest economy in the world......

[Questfortruth86]

@bilfo71

Russia was the world's second largest economy while thousands waiting on bread lines, each day, which extended around entire city blocks, and when millions were imprisoned in Gulags. When Levi jeans were valued more highly than gold (in Russia), and where men could freely exchange them for sex with beautiful Russian women. The USSR suffered from massive shortages and periodic famines (which have never, ever occurred in any capitalist system), when it was the 2nd largest economy.

[bilfo71]

@Questfortruth86 I'm not defending the policies of the ruling elite in former USSR and present Russia just as i'm not defending the ruling elite of America and they are both criminals as far as i'm concerned, its an insult to 50+ million americans that are teethering on the bring starvation for you to defend a system that is supposdly lift them out of poverty. If you google fasters GDP growth you will notice China and Vietnam and let us all know what they have in common.

[Questfortruth86]

China's key to "success," if we define success as a high GDP growth rate, is imitation and unwarranted production. China produces many things, but it also produces empty ghost cities and super malls. All of this shows up in its GDP, but this is not wealth; it's the destruction of wealth. It's funny that he brings up gaps in social wealth, considering the fact that the Chinese economy is the most polarized economy in the world, where 40% of the population consists of subsistence farmers.

[Tougemaster06]

@Questfortruth86 Its no different from Capitalist and th e thousands of sweatshops that exist globally. Capitalism has damned the majority of the worlds population to poverty, so the Chinese model doesn't seem like this evil monolith you aret rying to paint it as.

[Questfortruth86]

@Tougemaster06

Capitalism has led to the fastest and most robust expansion of wealth the world has ever known, where wages have grown exponentially, and where, for the first time in history, mankind was able to overcome Malthus' law. The poorest in the developed western world have access to water, transportation, TV, the internet, etc, amenities which the Medici, Rothschilds, and Tudors could only dream of. If it weren't for capitalism, you would be a serf somewhere, if you were alive at all.

[Tougemaster06]

@Questfortruth86 Cool comment, some problems though. Yes, the poorest in the developed western world have access to water, tv and the internet (mostly due to government intervention). However, you argue as if western people are the only people that matter. I don't see all the TVs, Internet, transportation and clean water for people in Africa, or Bangladesh. Secondly, if it werent' for Capitalism, the majority of the worlds people of color wouldn't be suffering from white supremacy.

[Questfortruth86]

@Tougemaster06

And why don't you see TVs, the internet, clean water and transportation in Africa? Why was Eastern Germany far less developed than western Germany? Why did so many Koreans, Chinese, Russians, Ukrainians, Yugoslavians, South Americans, etc flee to, and stay in the U.S? You should ask yourself these questions. Also, you speak as if Capitalism created racism, as if the world was more tolerable towards colored peoples in pre-capitalist society.

Don't be an idiot.

[Tougemaster06]

@Questfortruth86 Racism definetly is a product of Capitalist society. I hope you don't hink racism is calling people names *rolls eyes*. Its a social relation of power, not individual actions.

Secondly, I attribute the Soviet Blocs lack of material wealth (in terms of accumulated riches), to the fact that all of those countries weren't as far developed before they even embraced Communism. The west already had a 200 year headstart when the battle of ideology began.

[bilfo71]

@Tougemaster06 Couldn't agree more if you look at what the english did to the Irish during the great famine where 1 million died from starvation the scots which where used as ballast in english ships during the building of the america and now called rednecks(no offence intended qouting Malcom X "embrace the slander") pulling guts from chicken and queuing with food stamps so they can feed thier families. Be warned a movement is begnining and you intellectuals your days are numbered

[AlternateArtisan]

heres how I see it, when your nation is poor, communism and socialism is favourable because it keeps the people content. When you're doing well, a free market is preferable allowing the country to progress. China and russia were both devastated by war and poverty prior to them turning communist. But once they picked them selves back up, they loosened the grip and became more capitalist. Same thing with america, now that it's economy is stalling, it's turning more and more socialist.

[MrHenryt83]

I respect china because if long history of peace. I learn many meaningful all these years of war invasion. Japan bomb china and invade them. human war crime. France. Spain. England now their on the lead to the world leading enconmy and power. Cheers china. From USA.

[FukaLama]

Wen is kind of stupid. I like Zhou Rongji.

[roylikesitlikethat]

First impression with Wen on this interview is that he is a very learned man with high morals- deep thinking and always has references with the past or history to look into working out solutions plaguing today's fragmented society; running a country with a billion people is definitely not an easy job.

[onlyonecai]

I do firmly believe that Socialism + free market works best for societies.

[ajayjeev]

I admire the Chinese Premier. He has made great strides in making China a world leader...

[greenboy215]

visible and invisible hands, not only a few can balance the flow but flow resides in all of us. When we all feel this flow society evolves to a function as one.

[stureremil1942]

Fucking China revisionists! They betrayed Mao Tse-tung Though! They are fucking bourgeois.

[kimononvidia]

@stureremil1942 what do u want really? when they being creative u calling it betrayal, when they being communist u calling it human rights abuse? so? lol ..

[TheIxtlan]

China's Premier Wen Jiabao is the news today. All the female lovers and mistress. Wen Jiabao is a playboy. LOL

[leppy111]

They've barely even started, these guys make things happen, if they say they are going to do something they do it. No endless debates, no in fighting.

[BlindandGore]

In life its not about communism or capitalism its about happiness and health of the individual.

[kostas6667]

may i ask why you picked the word individual and not society?

Individual makes more sense not about life,but about nature.

[BlindandGore]

First to have good health for society its the responsibility of the individual to have good health like proper diet, regular excercise and medical checkups and when each individual in a society does that they are health free.

[kostas6667]

Νο i disagree with you,you seem t understand society as an add up of all the individuals.

I concept society as one.

[BlindandGore]

Society as one? You mean masses of people together in thousands and millions?

[kostas6667]

Society is not a mass.What I say for the society does not undo the importance of the individual.

Certain powers are concentrated in the individual creativity and others in the society as a whole.

[BlindandGore]

If the individual have poor health for example you or me how are we fit enough to contribute to society? And you include certain powers you mean politicians?

[zuduzeye]

CAPITALISM & COMMUNISM SUCKS..!!!

human beings still not equal specially in any form of government interference. No Politicians, lawyers, Bankers, Anarchist, Rebel Politicians, kings, sultans, Czars, emperors, Pope. No to modern slavery.. & No to Users, opportunist & lazy people...!!!

We dont need any government anymore.. we are all free.!! lets all create a society of free world for all. A working, honest, thingking community of free will of equality.

[wildboy789789]

so wait... how did china go from communism to socialism?... thats a great transition

usually it crashes into capitalism...

i might move to china but what are their human rights like... acctually fuck china i bet its hard to get weed... but fuck america too... any suggestions?

im thinking canada only because amsterdam has a queen who could be like "decapitate forigners RIGHT NOW!"

[Fireflylight]

Yeh, working as slaves for the 1st world gonna make things better in China. 0_0

Chinese should stop working and claim their money from 1st world.

USA and Europe might even pay it out in the nearest 200-300 years.

[RadioFreeWisconsin]

That, and little kids working for 40 cents an hour.

[jayshock89]

Thats our Prime Minister!

Happy 60 China!

[darkzq]

The US could learn a lot from this Chinese fellow.

[fatpiglazy6]

He knows what is talking about. Chine will get stronger