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where can i find this heads? i'm from venezuela and i need a webshop in USA to buy it. pls send me link cuz i can't find any shop who sell roland or tdrum mesh heads, i only actually know that 2 brands. hope u can help me
Better feel is very subjective. I say yes, but many think the feel of the mesh on the bass is too bouncy. It will make the bass trigger much more quiet, that's for sure. I hope that helps.
I believe you about the hole, I just didn't know. And thank you so so much. I did one today using the billy blast and it is awesome. I feel like I now have the $300 Roland trigger.
Thanks for the vid. I have 2 questions: First, if the internal foam stack is high enough to work before any mods, why do you have to end up adding foam when you re-order the pieces?
Secondly, my thick piece of foam isn't like the one in the video. It has a big circle already cut out. This creates a dead spot in the middle when modded the way you show. In this case, what should be done?
Question #1: Mesh has more bounce and can actually lift off the foam stack on rebound.
Question#2: Many have done the conversion and left the hole there without any problems. Don't take my word for it, check out the DIY section over at DMdrummer(dot)com. I hope that helps.
nice one good vid thanks. will this be the same for the DD512 set ? was wondering if there is a way to do the mesh without altering the other foam, ive seen one vid where the hard top sheet was just replaced by the mesh, and a thing layer of foam, and the surrounding fixing screws done up a bit less tight to compensate for the added height ?
I doubt this would work for the DD512 because the pads are not set up the same way. Every picture I've seen for the DD512 shows a rubber pad and not a tunable head type pad. If your pads look that the one I have in the video then I would think it would work. I hope that helps.
Ok I have watched all of your videos including the one were you compare the the two and say it is not as easy as just replacing the heads but my question is why not if I am looking to just get a little quietier and have a little more feed back why can I just get a mesh head from billy blast, replace the first cheap foam on the metal with a thicker foam and put it back togather. Thank you for all your help and I look forward to hearing from you!
You can only add so much extra foam to what's there without altering the foam under the plate. The most you could add would be about double the thickness of what's there. Too much more than that and it will not compress correctly. Part of the noise issue with the trigger is how high up the plate is in relation to the striking surface. Moving the plate down reduces noise. You can try just changing the heads if you wish, but I doubt you will be happy with the results.
great video, thanks! My friend just did this exact mod to his realpad snare. I have just purchased a DM10 studio kit. Have you done this mod to the kick pedal? Can it withstand it? I am just worried that the excessive force on the beater might pierce the mesh? Thank you
Yes, I've done this mod to all of my triggers including the kick pedal. The only different thing I would suggest is to use the new Billy Blast Ballistech II White Mesh Heads instead of the Ballistech one mesh heads. The new last a heck of a lot longer.
Hi, great video! Found it on first hit from Google. I just bought an Alesis USB Studio kit and am about to do the mesh head mod like you showed. The black soft foam (that you put on top layer eventually) comes with the kit has a nice 2-3/4" hole in the middle. I guess it lets wires of top sensor go through more easily while cuts down some vibration to the bottom sensor. Do you think this hole on the foam that touches drum head will give any negative effect to triggering at all? Thanks!
I don't think the hole will make a big difference. Many on DMdrummer(dot)com didn't seem to have any issues with the hole in the black foam. I hope that helps.
hey, so is the noise level the same as if you just slap on a mesh head? rather than taking it apart? i just have a 3 year warranty and want to keep that intact.
Unfortunately, just putting a mesh head on isn't going to do much good because of the way the trigger is built. There are a few who have done the conversion without having to de-solder anything. I don't know if that keep the warranty interacted or not. You can go to DMdrummer(dot)com to find out more. I hope that helps.
is there an option that,if i need the pure midili head kit or pure mesh head kit so that i dont need to changes or upgrade the heads,because not everyone is good for upgrading just like you,just like the material needed is also problem were to buy and i dont nkow what exacly material is;sorry for my english & spelling bec.im filipino
I'm not exactly sure what it is you are asking. Are you asking if you can just change the head to mesh or back to the standard head. I guess you can try that. I don't really know of an easier way to do the conversion that is 100% reversible. I hope that helps.
Hi great info. I'll be doing this mod to my DD-602.
Question, if I look at another of your vids on how to add a rim piezo, how would I get the module to see it?
In other words will the dd-602 support dual triggers? If I add the piezo will it see it in the voice screen? I understand how to add the piezo, but I don't understand how the module will recognize the additional trigger.
Can I add extra triggers to all of the pads (minus the kick heh)?
Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, your module has to be able to support dual zone triggering. Your manual for your drum module will tell you if it has dual or single zone trigger inputs. I hope that helps.
Hello and thanks for the video. I have a question... Is there a way to do two upgrades - change the pad to a Roland type mesh head (with a "hot spot" in the center) and add a second piezo for the rim zone? I mean, won't vibrations overlap and trigger both piezos at the same time, because in this case they are going to be placed one above another?
If you go to my website which you can find it in the info, you can see the entire video that will show you how to add the rim piezo. I hope that helps.
Yes, you will need to replace that black foam with a 1/4" thick mouse pad. The mouse pad will not wear out for years but the black foam that is in the pad will. Just take that drum apart, peal the cheap black foam out and then replace it with a mouse that you get at the office supply store and then put the drum together. You will need to cut the mouse pad the same size as the inside edge of the shell. This is easy to do by tracing the shell on the mouse pad. I hope that helps.
I did something much easier than this that got the same result. i just tok the hoop and the head off the drum, applied 4 layers of a t-shirt cut into circles. placed them at the top of the pad. then put it back together. the result was a pad with much better and softer fell, and less sound. And this dosent void the warranty.
Do a search for Guinness' Drum Works here on youtube. He has done some videos using his converted kit that he made based on my videos. I hope that helps.
Thanks for this guide, it sure will be helpfull (and i say "will", because I dont own the kit yet) I just have one question: How much time does it take to change the Heads of all Drumpads? Thanks.
hey hellfire drums, i saw the whole video on your site, it doesn't look that complicated, re-arranging/adding foam, and the only risk is breaking the wires by accident, but that won't really happen, anyway i have tried the roland hd-1 kit, at my local music store, and all roland drums have the mesh snare pad, so is the rebound of the billy blast mesh heads the same as the roland mesh heads? please reply, thank you
Keep in mind I used the Billy blast mesh to show how inexpensive the mod can be done. You can use a Roland, Heart, or Pintech mesh head if you wish. The Billy Blast is not as good as the Roland but a Roland mesh head that size is like $30.00. Where the Billy Blast is $10.00. If you have the money go with the better mesh head. Keep in mind that by doing this mod you will void any warranty that you have on your drums. Only do this mod if you are comfortable with that.
@HellfireDrums really? i will void the warranty? that's sad, anyway i want to do the mod, but i'm only 15 years old, and im gonna get the alesis dm10 studio kit pretty soon, so im not gonna be so confident when doing the mod, especially if i break the wires by accident when removing the foam. And also, how long will the billy blast mesh heads last? and how is the durability compared to rolands?
Yes you will void the warranty. That goes for any product you buy at the store and try to modify it. Not just this one. Think of it this way, if you were to break the wires by doing this mod how is it Alesis's fault that they broke? It's not, it would be your fault. The Billy Blast will last with heavy play about 4 months. The Roland will last about 3-4 years. I hope that helps.
@HellfireDrums, wow thanks, ill probably do the mod, so might as well not get the extra warranty, right? thanks, but can the wires be easily broken, especially the part when u hav to move/change the foam inside the pad, or any tips to prevent it from breaking when u are changing/moving the foam inside the pad? in case if it breaks, anyway of fixing? thanks hellfiredrums, lotsa help from u guys
In the video I detach the wires so this is not a problem. If you are trying to do this without detaching the wires it will be tricky (that is not to say it can't be done). I have not done it that way but I know some have over at DMdrummer(dot)com have. BTW, don't type in the word "dot" in that url. Type in a period.".". Youtube doesn't allow url's (web addresses) in these responses. I hope that helps.
@HellfireDrums, oh ok, thanks anyway, instead ill probably just order a roland mesh pad as a snare on ebay or something, anyway thanks for replying to all my comments, u guys helped a lot, but the audio can be on the headphones and an amplifier, at the same time, right? and also the rebound is not as good as a regular drum head, right? because in one of the reviews for the alesis dm10 studio kit, i heard that the foam inside the pad makes the pad very hard, thanks hellfiredrums
@HellfireDrums, one last question, and i am very sorry but, ill probably cut the wires, do the mesh head mod, wheni get the alesis dm10 studio kit, so last question, and please forgive me, but wheni cut the wires, how do i put them back together, or how do i solder them back together, do i just twist them together and solder it, or is there something else i should also do, thank you hellfire drums, huge help
You don't cut the wires. You just de-solder them from the jack. Once you put the layers back together you just re-solder them back to the jack. I hope that helps.
@HellfireDrums, ok, ill probably ask a friend to help me de-solder and re-solder the wires back together, im not a frequent DIY'er, and im not that familiar with wires, so ill ask a friend to help, thank you hellfiredrums, cheers
I'm thinking about getting the Alesis DM10 studio kit. The manufacturer says that you can simply replace the heads on those pads with any head you want. Is that true? If so, what affordable mesh heads might you suggest?
hmm, your method seems a bit different from the other methods I have seen. ie removing all the foam, building a small 'riser platform' and sandwiching the piezo between foam sitting atop the platform but still touching the mesh head.
It looks like you leave quite a bit more material than the other method. Would you say this is a better method? Is this quieter? better rebound?
Also what size Piezo would you recommend? or is it 'as long as it's a piezo it'll work'?
This method is done for simplicity. Piezo used is what came with the pad. To keep the Conversion simple, just use what's in the pad. I find that this method is good for both mesh or standard heads. I hope that helps.
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langsynt8f 21 hours ago
where can i find this heads? i'm from venezuela and i need a webshop in USA to buy it. pls send me link cuz i can't find any shop who sell roland or tdrum mesh heads, i only actually know that 2 brands. hope u can help me
Th3Musu 1 month ago
@Th3Musu
I'm sorry, I don't know which USA site will ship to venezuela. You should try a Google search. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 3 weeks ago
do you have to use alesis pads, or can you use any pads, as long as they're the right inch size?
GreenHoodedGuy 1 month ago
One quick q, what would be better, a mesh head on an alesis dm10 studio kit bass pad, or the stock pad. does mesh feel any better on the bass?
DJWarpified 2 months ago
@DJWarpified
Better feel is very subjective. I say yes, but many think the feel of the mesh on the bass is too bouncy. It will make the bass trigger much more quiet, that's for sure. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 2 months ago
I believe you about the hole, I just didn't know. And thank you so so much. I did one today using the billy blast and it is awesome. I feel like I now have the $300 Roland trigger.
MrSca001 3 months ago
Thanks for the vid. I have 2 questions: First, if the internal foam stack is high enough to work before any mods, why do you have to end up adding foam when you re-order the pieces?
Secondly, my thick piece of foam isn't like the one in the video. It has a big circle already cut out. This creates a dead spot in the middle when modded the way you show. In this case, what should be done?
MrSca001 3 months ago
@MrSca001
Question #1: Mesh has more bounce and can actually lift off the foam stack on rebound.
Question#2: Many have done the conversion and left the hole there without any problems. Don't take my word for it, check out the DIY section over at DMdrummer(dot)com. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 3 months ago
Is this possible on studio kit
FrokasFilms 3 months ago
@FrokasFilms
Yes it is. If you get a chance you might want to see how other studio kit users did their conversion over at DMdrummer(dot)com. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 3 months ago
nice one good vid thanks. will this be the same for the DD512 set ? was wondering if there is a way to do the mesh without altering the other foam, ive seen one vid where the hard top sheet was just replaced by the mesh, and a thing layer of foam, and the surrounding fixing screws done up a bit less tight to compensate for the added height ?
quartzuk 4 months ago
@quartzuk
I doubt this would work for the DD512 because the pads are not set up the same way. Every picture I've seen for the DD512 shows a rubber pad and not a tunable head type pad. If your pads look that the one I have in the video then I would think it would work. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 4 months ago
Ok I have watched all of your videos including the one were you compare the the two and say it is not as easy as just replacing the heads but my question is why not if I am looking to just get a little quietier and have a little more feed back why can I just get a mesh head from billy blast, replace the first cheap foam on the metal with a thicker foam and put it back togather. Thank you for all your help and I look forward to hearing from you!
devinisabeastsmith 4 months ago
@devinisabeastsmith
You can only add so much extra foam to what's there without altering the foam under the plate. The most you could add would be about double the thickness of what's there. Too much more than that and it will not compress correctly. Part of the noise issue with the trigger is how high up the plate is in relation to the striking surface. Moving the plate down reduces noise. You can try just changing the heads if you wish, but I doubt you will be happy with the results.
HellfireDrums 4 months ago
great video, thanks! My friend just did this exact mod to his realpad snare. I have just purchased a DM10 studio kit. Have you done this mod to the kick pedal? Can it withstand it? I am just worried that the excessive force on the beater might pierce the mesh? Thank you
kbodrum 5 months ago
@kbodrum
Yes, I've done this mod to all of my triggers including the kick pedal. The only different thing I would suggest is to use the new Billy Blast Ballistech II White Mesh Heads instead of the Ballistech one mesh heads. The new last a heck of a lot longer.
HellfireDrums 4 months ago
@HellfireDrums
Awesome, thanks! I will look into this.. Just a shame that they are white
(can't recommend any black meshys can you?)
kbodrum 4 months ago
@kbodrum
You can try Pearl mesh heads but, they don't last that long. If you are in Europe there are other options. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 4 months ago
oh, nice. Was thinking about getting one of the USB pro kits for use with superior, good that I can convert it to mesh, I may try this!
sonicwingnut 6 months ago
you saved me alot of money! ur awsome!
hdfhcgh 6 months ago
Hello, can you do the same with the kick? It makes a lot of noise generally
RevanCorana 10 months ago
@RevanCorana
Yes, I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 9 months ago
Hi, great video! Found it on first hit from Google. I just bought an Alesis USB Studio kit and am about to do the mesh head mod like you showed. The black soft foam (that you put on top layer eventually) comes with the kit has a nice 2-3/4" hole in the middle. I guess it lets wires of top sensor go through more easily while cuts down some vibration to the bottom sensor. Do you think this hole on the foam that touches drum head will give any negative effect to triggering at all? Thanks!
spiritzeng 10 months ago
@spiritzeng
I don't think the hole will make a big difference. Many on DMdrummer(dot)com didn't seem to have any issues with the hole in the black foam. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 10 months ago
hey, so is the noise level the same as if you just slap on a mesh head? rather than taking it apart? i just have a 3 year warranty and want to keep that intact.
Andinator 11 months ago
@Andinator
Unfortunately, just putting a mesh head on isn't going to do much good because of the way the trigger is built. There are a few who have done the conversion without having to de-solder anything. I don't know if that keep the warranty interacted or not. You can go to DMdrummer(dot)com to find out more. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 11 months ago
is there an option that,if i need the pure midili head kit or pure mesh head kit so that i dont need to changes or upgrade the heads,because not everyone is good for upgrading just like you,just like the material needed is also problem were to buy and i dont nkow what exacly material is;sorry for my english & spelling bec.im filipino
jesneca 1 year ago
@jesneca
I'm not exactly sure what it is you are asking. Are you asking if you can just change the head to mesh or back to the standard head. I guess you can try that. I don't really know of an easier way to do the conversion that is 100% reversible. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
Ahh ok, that's what I was wondering. Thanks for the reply. I'll look at the manual tonight.
fragfestspyke 1 year ago
Hi great info. I'll be doing this mod to my DD-602.
Question, if I look at another of your vids on how to add a rim piezo, how would I get the module to see it?
In other words will the dd-602 support dual triggers? If I add the piezo will it see it in the voice screen? I understand how to add the piezo, but I don't understand how the module will recognize the additional trigger.
Can I add extra triggers to all of the pads (minus the kick heh)?
Any help wold be appreciated. :)
fragfestspyke 1 year ago
@fragfestspyke
Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, your module has to be able to support dual zone triggering. Your manual for your drum module will tell you if it has dual or single zone trigger inputs. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
Hello and thanks for the video. I have a question... Is there a way to do two upgrades - change the pad to a Roland type mesh head (with a "hot spot" in the center) and add a second piezo for the rim zone? I mean, won't vibrations overlap and trigger both piezos at the same time, because in this case they are going to be placed one above another?
babapook 1 year ago
@babapook
If you go to my website which you can find it in the info, you can see the entire video that will show you how to add the rim piezo. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
is there a way that i can keep the actual drum heads but somehow fix the mousepad thing from wearing out often?
synlynzero 1 year ago
@synlynzero
Yes, you will need to replace that black foam with a 1/4" thick mouse pad. The mouse pad will not wear out for years but the black foam that is in the pad will. Just take that drum apart, peal the cheap black foam out and then replace it with a mouse that you get at the office supply store and then put the drum together. You will need to cut the mouse pad the same size as the inside edge of the shell. This is easy to do by tracing the shell on the mouse pad. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
I did something much easier than this that got the same result. i just tok the hoop and the head off the drum, applied 4 layers of a t-shirt cut into circles. placed them at the top of the pad. then put it back together. the result was a pad with much better and softer fell, and less sound. And this dosent void the warranty.
kimkrutt 1 year ago
Thanks for doing this video! Just wondering whether yourself or any one else has any videos of a converted kit in action?
cloudlessskies 1 year ago
@cloudlessskies
Do a search for Guinness' Drum Works here on youtube. He has done some videos using his converted kit that he made based on my videos. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
Thanks for this guide, it sure will be helpfull (and i say "will", because I dont own the kit yet) I just have one question: How much time does it take to change the Heads of all Drumpads? Thanks.
Merettich 1 year ago
@Merettich
Edit says I found out that it takes 5 to 10 Minutes per Drum.
Merettich 1 year ago
keep your pinky on the stick,
UKrocketeer 1 year ago
hey hellfire drums, i saw the whole video on your site, it doesn't look that complicated, re-arranging/adding foam, and the only risk is breaking the wires by accident, but that won't really happen, anyway i have tried the roland hd-1 kit, at my local music store, and all roland drums have the mesh snare pad, so is the rebound of the billy blast mesh heads the same as the roland mesh heads? please reply, thank you
gibson00000000000000 1 year ago
@gibson00000000000000
Keep in mind I used the Billy blast mesh to show how inexpensive the mod can be done. You can use a Roland, Heart, or Pintech mesh head if you wish. The Billy Blast is not as good as the Roland but a Roland mesh head that size is like $30.00. Where the Billy Blast is $10.00. If you have the money go with the better mesh head. Keep in mind that by doing this mod you will void any warranty that you have on your drums. Only do this mod if you are comfortable with that.
Thanks
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
@HellfireDrums really? i will void the warranty? that's sad, anyway i want to do the mod, but i'm only 15 years old, and im gonna get the alesis dm10 studio kit pretty soon, so im not gonna be so confident when doing the mod, especially if i break the wires by accident when removing the foam. And also, how long will the billy blast mesh heads last? and how is the durability compared to rolands?
gibson00000000000000 1 year ago
@gibson00000000000000
Yes you will void the warranty. That goes for any product you buy at the store and try to modify it. Not just this one. Think of it this way, if you were to break the wires by doing this mod how is it Alesis's fault that they broke? It's not, it would be your fault. The Billy Blast will last with heavy play about 4 months. The Roland will last about 3-4 years. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
@HellfireDrums, wow thanks, ill probably do the mod, so might as well not get the extra warranty, right? thanks, but can the wires be easily broken, especially the part when u hav to move/change the foam inside the pad, or any tips to prevent it from breaking when u are changing/moving the foam inside the pad? in case if it breaks, anyway of fixing? thanks hellfiredrums, lotsa help from u guys
gibson00000000000000 1 year ago
@gibson00000000000000
In the video I detach the wires so this is not a problem. If you are trying to do this without detaching the wires it will be tricky (that is not to say it can't be done). I have not done it that way but I know some have over at DMdrummer(dot)com have. BTW, don't type in the word "dot" in that url. Type in a period.".". Youtube doesn't allow url's (web addresses) in these responses. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
@HellfireDrums, oh ok, thanks anyway, instead ill probably just order a roland mesh pad as a snare on ebay or something, anyway thanks for replying to all my comments, u guys helped a lot, but the audio can be on the headphones and an amplifier, at the same time, right? and also the rebound is not as good as a regular drum head, right? because in one of the reviews for the alesis dm10 studio kit, i heard that the foam inside the pad makes the pad very hard, thanks hellfiredrums
gibson00000000000000 1 year ago
@HellfireDrums, one last question, and i am very sorry but, ill probably cut the wires, do the mesh head mod, wheni get the alesis dm10 studio kit, so last question, and please forgive me, but wheni cut the wires, how do i put them back together, or how do i solder them back together, do i just twist them together and solder it, or is there something else i should also do, thank you hellfire drums, huge help
gibson00000000000000 1 year ago
@gibson00000000000000
You don't cut the wires. You just de-solder them from the jack. Once you put the layers back together you just re-solder them back to the jack. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
@HellfireDrums, ok, ill probably ask a friend to help me de-solder and re-solder the wires back together, im not a frequent DIY'er, and im not that familiar with wires, so ill ask a friend to help, thank you hellfiredrums, cheers
gibson00000000000000 1 year ago
I'm thinking about getting the Alesis DM10 studio kit. The manufacturer says that you can simply replace the heads on those pads with any head you want. Is that true? If so, what affordable mesh heads might you suggest?
Thanks, great video!
kman517 1 year ago
@kman517
You can get that info from my web page. The link is in the details of the video. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
hmm, your method seems a bit different from the other methods I have seen. ie removing all the foam, building a small 'riser platform' and sandwiching the piezo between foam sitting atop the platform but still touching the mesh head.
It looks like you leave quite a bit more material than the other method. Would you say this is a better method? Is this quieter? better rebound?
Also what size Piezo would you recommend? or is it 'as long as it's a piezo it'll work'?
Thanks
bimbim18ok 1 year ago
@bimbim18ok
This method is done for simplicity. Piezo used is what came with the pad. To keep the Conversion simple, just use what's in the pad. I find that this method is good for both mesh or standard heads. I hope that helps.
HellfireDrums 1 year ago
I like what you are doing. Thanks for putting your work up.
WeakEndProductions 2 years ago