You know... I don't think it's so much that 4e sucks.. in fact, updating an amazing game to make it easier to approach and more fun to play is fantastic, but I do have some things I wish were a little different... but something not real technical? Would be that Dragons aren't nearly as powerful. I dunno about anyone else, but I've always felt a dragon is suppose to be OP..so OP that you NEED a great deal of power, tactics, and luck to live through it...regardless, DnD will always improve in time
I think another reason some people prefer 4th edition is that it is easier to pick up and that is not an insult but a compliment. Personally, I still prefer 3.5 but that's because it has been out a longer while 4e has yet to make a psionics handbook. Deadlands: Lost Colony is another good one in my opinion but that might be because my friend Rico did a lot of the artwork.
Here is my thing, people say you cant role play in 4th ed. I ran a game on Friday night and I was playing a role. Nowhere does 4th edition eliminate the ability to play a role. I encourage my players to get into character when I run the game. Instead of just rolling diplomacy, come up with something that sounds good to say and use the roll to see if your words actually worked. I like 4th and I will keep on playing it. Say what you will, but I like it.
Two years later all we're hearing is that 4th edition is biting it in sales, previously announced books are being pulled from production, WOTC is in serious trouble with their corporate owners, and 5th edition is already on the horizon. Meanwhile Pathfinder AKA 3.5 edition is doing very well.
You, sir, are an oasis of truth and fact in this vast desert of close-mindedness and ignorance towards 4th edition. Keep up the good work and bring more DM guides love listening to those.
1) It's being compared to WoW by critics, making the youth interested
2) The books look flashier and the products look nicer
3) It's incredibly easy and fool-proof, so the retarded youth can get into the game.
I play 3.5 and AD&D 2nd edition, and I can say that these are greater than 4th because, well, 4th seems to youth friendly and I like the RPing aspect in RPGs. If I wanted to play a wargame, I'd play Advanced Risk.
I think that people label 4E as being similar to WoW because 4E makes the "roles" (defender, controller, etc.) explicit like WoW does, and 4E has powers for every class.
But really, even in 3E you had a role based on your class...nothing has really changed other than the fact that they pointed it out. Also, as you pointed out in your previous review, non-magic users were extremely boring in 3E...props to WotC for finally making them interesting.
I don't know much about version 3, but that's because I am a newbie that started with version 4. I agree completely with what you say about WOW vs. 4e
Perhaps you should discuss the topic with someone prepared and qualified to dispute 4th edition without using the WOW position. Wizards will not fully know the success of thier new product until a year or more after the accessories are released.
Even if 4th is a POS, responsibiity fall to the players to mold the system into something usable. D&D is progressive, so what if the company progressed in a terrible direction. Play something else and Wizards will notice the drop in sales and do 5th
Completely new to D&D, and while searching youtube for gameplay examples, found a plethora of negativity surrounding this edition. While not having played the other versions, D&D4e is turning out to be an incredible experience for me, and I fully support your point that several other viewers have made; we need to always recall the "where we've been" and "where are we now" aspects of fantasy games. From what I can see collective imagining and reimagining is what D&D promotes and is built upon.
There is always this gamer attitude that has to say, "this is a copy of that" "WoW copies everquest" etc. Why does this matter? Is it some form of gamer's pride? Is a toyota a copy of a ford because it has 4 wheels and a steering wheel?
Well I COULD knock down pretty much ALL your arguments but im to lazy to watch all your videos. If you wouldn't mind engaging in a discussion about 4e please send me an email. I would LOVE to discuss everything with no "Duh 4e Sucks LOL".
i write my own rpgs and recently decided to try D&D problem is i cant afford all the books but ,,,, i have managed to get the players hand book and wilst waiting for more i wrote a basic rpg based on some of the rules and i must say so far its the best iv written and my group l;ove it , and i owe it all to just one book ,,, cant wait to get started on a real D&D game
@spudmanchronic If you can't afford buying the books (much like myself), you can do the following: With just the PHB and DMG, you have all you need to run an adventure.
To get more content you can subscribe to D&D Insider which lets you download the Character Builder and Adventure tools which has all the new monsters and character options released.
It's a pretty inexpensive setup and you get a lot of stuff with it.
@PrimeSonicYT thank you very much, you dont get many comments that are useful anymore so cheers, i have managed to get the basic set now but advice you've given has been very helpfull, cheers XD
dungeons and dragons and WOW o its existence to jrr tolkein who created a lot of fantasy and he os it to medieval times which back then people thought fantasy was real
meh they took out chaotic good and lawful evil, which were my favorite alignments. that's my beef. plus im poor and dont have the money to buy new books etc.
yeah D&D was made before warcraft and i think through the years they have played off eachother in some ways... idk if any one thinks the same thing. lol
because its easy but i get what your saying but people do tend to go toward easier stuff but 4 e inst easy its just easier than 3e in some ways harder than others
i agree with you u would have to be an idiot to think that because dnd was the first the very first rpg ever well in this civilization anyway oh and by the way u are on smart motherfucker
@samscuba1104 i dont see why you are being sarcastic when they do that they make it less fun so think that one through dumb nuts and i dont know why i just like saying that which is why i called you it not to be an ass although i am one
I don't think world of warcraft is really D&D as an MMO
DDO is a much better online D&D experience in my opinion, at least.
I haven't given fourth a try because I've read lots of reviews and most of them are negative, and I don't really want to spend the money if I'll just go back to basic or 3.5
@NewWorldSinner Well, you are correct. However, WoW owes almost everything to D&D.
I've read lots of negative 4e reviews online too, that's why I made this video. I got annoyed by their lack of truth. If someone says, "I personally like 3e more", that's totally respectable. But it's all the misinformed, hateful, or trolling reviews that bug me.
DMing prep work is less, monsters run better, the writing and lore is great, and check out my other 4e vs 3e video for info about characters.
Ok why do people who played 3 judge 4 before buying the books. I played a 3.5 game only once because that's the only version our dm would play. lo and behold after about 6 hours making charcters we got into one fight and had to quit. 4 years later I am dming my own 4 game and loving it.
@dylanquern That's a hard question to answer. I've spoken with numerous 3.5 gamers who have tried 4e, but didn't like it, which really comes down to personal preference. What gets me is when people like that make these fictitious statements about 4e as if they are some fact of life ("4e isn't customizable", "4e destroys roleplaying", "4e is too simple" "4e is just like WoW" etc.)
I was looking for 4e reviews and I found this thing. I like it, you don't really choose over 4e or 3(.5), but you're just combating hater logic. I for one am looking to host a 4e game to see all the fuss is about. Probably going to get the best of both worlds and smash 3.5 and 4 together somehow, some way...
For someone that hasn't played D&D for like 20years, and decided to give 4E a shot, I was disappointed at first (mostly because there were no more to hit tables and saving throw tables and spell tables...the list goes on), but as I got into it, i found it ran a bit smoother, and the start up was quicker. Low level characters don't suck anymore and Wizards no longer have to sit back with only their one or two spells they can cast and that's it. 4E is getting a lot of undeserved hate.
I have a question, does your account in wow cancel (and never come back) if you dont pay every month?! Or is it a year? Please answer! I am going to start play wow in friday this weak so i really want to know before i start... So i know if its worth it Please answer...
Even if you cancel your account later, your characters are never deleted and you can start back up if you want. I know this because I canceled my account months ago.
Congrats! You have the patience and requisite reasoning skills to make a strong argument for D&D 4e. Don't get frustrated with the idiots who can't see your argument and can't form a coherent one of their own. Frankly, those plebes don't matter. Their real arguments are:
1. DnD 4e will cost too much money and I'll feel inferior that I can't buy the new set
2. DnD 4e's new rules are difficult for me to learn and I don't want to expend the effort
I love your reviews just so you know.....but for the neigh sayers of 4E....STFU with the WoW comparison, there is none D&D has existed since the 70's WoW has existed since 2000-something and stole it's idea's from D&D so STFU already please!!!!!
The whole D&D experience is quite subjective. As I've said before, it is a like a toolset for the imagination. As far as 4e targeting a wider audience, I would say so to an extent. It is definitely less of a painstaking/cryptic system to dm.
You are totally right when you say 4th edition has taken some good elements from Warcraft, but that saying that it is just like WoW is nonsense.
That said, i think you will agree with me: A Warcraft adaptation to D&D 4th edition would work really nice. I have sketched some races and powers adaptations, and it all looked quite good. Well i don't actually want to run a Warcraft campaign with my players, so that's all i'm ever gonna do, but it would work nice.
I think that mechanically, it could adapt fine. However, seeing as the writers behind WoW suck so bad, I would never insult D&D by doing such a project.
4ed is a great mechanical system that gives alot of options to roleplay it out. Every class from lvl 1 to 30 is relavent in a fight or skill challange. I DM both 4ed and pathfinder( pathfinder for game store events) and find that there are more options in 4ed than pathfinder.
I completely agree. See, the thing is this: D&D (especially 4e) doesn't come right out and tell you what to do. WotC can't tell you how to describe every little detail, how to write interesting stories, or act out unique NPCs. This is an art, and it takes experience to level up your storytelling/DMing skill.
Bear with me. Im going by the info i heard so far. My two biggest peeves with dnd 4e is:
1. They removed gnomes and druids, my two favorites and
2. They removed prestige classes
the beauty about 3.5 is that even though it only went to lvl 20, u had tons of things that allowed u to contine playing including focused racial talents, prestige classes, cross classing and focused class talents
Gnomes and druids are in PHB2. You have to realize that 4e is still very young. Everything and more will be made in due time. Btw, druid is my all-time favorite class.
Prestige classes? Forget that shnizzle, you have paragon paths and epic destinies now.
I agree with you about the things they left out. Repsesper makes the solid point that these things have been replaced with superior alternatives or they are still in there - you just have to buy a separate "expansion" to enjoy them.
It's naive to think these decisions were made by Gamers and not by business men. These Gamers ARE Business men and they like making a living playing and SELLING these games. This isn't a part time hobby or a charity for them. It's a game AND a business.
If 3.5 was still on the shelves next to 4th edition, which of the two would you choose?
Not just you, but the majority of the gamers obviously.
I guess in the end you would have to buy the two of them and see which one you really liked.
Me myself, i wouldn't know cause i have only played one session of 4th ed, on the DMG 2 Day ot thing. Seemed pretty artificial and since then i had discarded buying any of the books, but well now i'm reconsidering it.
I played the heck out of 3.5, I even made my own mod of it called Legendscape, which my friends and I played twice a week for the better part of 2 years. So yah, I really like 3.5, it's just that the advances made with 4e have improved our experience in many ways.
4th edition streamed the rules, now it feels more like a board game instead of yonder d&d. The new rules are nice, it's a really good game, have to admit,but better than 3.5, ahh i don't think so, perhaps a better combat game but not a better rpg.
Anyway i'll start a campaign using 4th ed rules in about a week, when i get the core books...
I completely understand the point of view that 4e "feels more game-ish". I agree to an extent. Here is the best thing I can tell you: If you are not making full usage of the potential that skill challenges, rituals, and lore offer, coupled with your own immersive story, world, and character development, then you are going to get the combat-heavy tactics rpg that 4e critics scoff at.
I really appreciate your videos. I've watched all of them. They're thoughtful and provide useful information.
I haven't played in almost 10 years and my friends and I are looking at starting a new game. The 3.5 v 4.0 argument has kept us from buying books for a few weeks. Thanks for giving me some SENSIBLE insight.
No problem. The argument is tedious, yes. I could go on and on I suppose, if I really felt so inclined. I basically made my two "edition argument" videos because I got perturbed by others' videos that just seemed...unfounded (to put it nicely).
Another example of poor verisimilitude. I saw an article called "I made a Gelatinous Cube cry so hard it died!"
A bard used Vicious Mockery on a G-Cube and killed it. That is another problem. Lazy. Yeah, the DM could have said no, but if he did, he'd probably have to keep saying no to most of it and a lot of the powers wouldn't work.
*I quite like 4E, but there are serious issues IMO.
Why is 4E like an MMO?
Lack of verisimilitude. You have buttons (dailies and encounters) that you press and have a recharge rate. I don't have a problem with that in itself, but I find it stupid that you can only hit something really hard once a day and when you get better (level up) you forget how to do it because you can now shoot fire out of your arse. (Lazy design - not good.)
Well, 4e is more "gamey" if that's even a word. 3e tried harder to extrapolate reality. I agree with you though, for all its quirks, 4e has made many advances overall.
I feel ya on that one. I could be good, but has too many shortcomings to mention. It is free (for the most part), so I can't really complain too much though.
So they went bit overboard with the whole balance 'issues'
So what if they had bits of influence from World of Warcraft. My boss who used to play adnd second edition (I think that's what it was called) said that the whole 3rd edition was just like mmorpg.
As a DM, 4th edition is much more forgiving to me and my players. They've never played dnd before in their life and it took them entire month to get the hang of the 4th edition rules.
4e is specifically designed to be more enjoyable to play. Interesting options all around.
Popular, innovative games (like WoW) can't hurt D&D, they can only strengthen it.
3e did a good job extrapolating reality, but the downside to that is that in reality you can get seriously decimated, i.e. stunned or panicked for an entire fight, exhausted for an entire day, poisoned to the point that you need days to recover. Are these things realistic? Yes. Are they good for having fun with a game?
My comparisons to WOW had points behind it. You put this as a response to my video but did you watch it? You want to label people as idiots but if you don't believe that Hasbro is more concerned about money than doing what's right by DND, and emulates WOW because WOW makes a ton of cash, then you sir are the idiot. Many gamers do tear 4th ed to shreds but there are many new gamers who only have the choice of the edition on the shelves. They play 4th because it's all they know.
2. I stated in my video that WotC is a business first and foremost. I also stated that the developers are great at what they do, and they are passionate gamers too.
3. If a majority of gamers hated 4e, we would all know it, and people would stop buying it. Simple.
4. 4e is the only thing on the shelves? That's funny, because last time I went to the hobby store, I saw multiple RPGs on the shelf, including Pathfinder.
I've actually thought about that. What could I accomplish if I didn't have to sleep. Then I realize that a good deal of my inspiration as an artist comes from my dreams...so yah.
Makes sense to me. Come to think about it, most of my creativity does tend to come from sleep. So I guess in a way sleep is worth taking. Made me think of 7th grade, when we had to write a page about 'If you could trade half of what you own for a pill that makes you only require an hour of sleep, would you do it, and why/why not.' Not sure how much sleep is required to become inspired, but I also do enjoy just lazing about in bed.
And at the time, it just feels like the best thing to do, right? Yeah, I've had those days, and also days where I just lie there staring at the ceiling. At least until something comes to mind that causes me to crawl out, such as inspiration, or of course video-games. But because I only have a pc, I gotta get up to play. =P
D&D 4e is not like WOW at all. In wow your character knows all the spells other people in that class know (except talent spells 3-4 normaly), In D&D the chances of meeting a person that's character has all the spells, feats, ext, is very unlikely. D&D gives you more fredom to make your character into a character, not like in wow where everyone is about the same.
Great video btw 5/5 I like to play wow every now and then, but kinda burned out of it as of right now.
WoW is good, but in the end, the game mostly boils down to grinding countless monsters so that you can level and get better gear so that you can grind more countless monsters...(repeat)...do you see where I'm going with this?
You're right, D&D does allow way more freedom, and it gives you the creative reigns to make it whatever you want. For example, my campaigns have lots of storyline, and the players have the ability to shape that story and its ultimate outcome.
Not in 4th ed. Without buying tons of extra books there are only about 3 different daily powers per class ect ect. The WOW comparison comes from the way the roles of a party are the exact same now as in wow(defender-tank,controller crowd-control ect) and the way that at wills feel like you are mashing sinister strike over and over again then use an encounter-finishing strike or what have you. There are more but that's just a few of the comparisons.
Maybe you are not getting it. I stated in my video, that I'm not disputed WoW influences. What I clearly said was, that tired argument has nothing behind it. If D&D 4e is like WoW, then what does that mean? If WotC has learned from innovations in the genre, and developed them even further, how exactly is that bad?
I have not played 3.5, but I have seen your video on the magic classes in 3.5 and they look boring and like "easy mode"
StitchDagger 1 month ago
You know... I don't think it's so much that 4e sucks.. in fact, updating an amazing game to make it easier to approach and more fun to play is fantastic, but I do have some things I wish were a little different... but something not real technical? Would be that Dragons aren't nearly as powerful. I dunno about anyone else, but I've always felt a dragon is suppose to be OP..so OP that you NEED a great deal of power, tactics, and luck to live through it...regardless, DnD will always improve in time
Lukuz13 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I think another reason some people prefer 4th edition is that it is easier to pick up and that is not an insult but a compliment. Personally, I still prefer 3.5 but that's because it has been out a longer while 4e has yet to make a psionics handbook. Deadlands: Lost Colony is another good one in my opinion but that might be because my friend Rico did a lot of the artwork.
plasmasnake402 2 months ago
Here is my thing, people say you cant role play in 4th ed. I ran a game on Friday night and I was playing a role. Nowhere does 4th edition eliminate the ability to play a role. I encourage my players to get into character when I run the game. Instead of just rolling diplomacy, come up with something that sounds good to say and use the roll to see if your words actually worked. I like 4th and I will keep on playing it. Say what you will, but I like it.
dnd20SI 4 months ago
Two years later all we're hearing is that 4th edition is biting it in sales, previously announced books are being pulled from production, WOTC is in serious trouble with their corporate owners, and 5th edition is already on the horizon. Meanwhile Pathfinder AKA 3.5 edition is doing very well.
jrpipik 5 months ago
You, sir, are an oasis of truth and fact in this vast desert of close-mindedness and ignorance towards 4th edition. Keep up the good work and bring more DM guides love listening to those.
monophos 5 months ago
@monophos Thank you so much, open-mindedness is certainly something that I can say I promote.
repsesper 5 months ago
4e is more popular because
1) It's being compared to WoW by critics, making the youth interested
2) The books look flashier and the products look nicer
3) It's incredibly easy and fool-proof, so the retarded youth can get into the game.
I play 3.5 and AD&D 2nd edition, and I can say that these are greater than 4th because, well, 4th seems to youth friendly and I like the RPing aspect in RPGs. If I wanted to play a wargame, I'd play Advanced Risk.
TehBirdzNBeez 6 months ago
I think that people label 4E as being similar to WoW because 4E makes the "roles" (defender, controller, etc.) explicit like WoW does, and 4E has powers for every class.
But really, even in 3E you had a role based on your class...nothing has really changed other than the fact that they pointed it out. Also, as you pointed out in your previous review, non-magic users were extremely boring in 3E...props to WotC for finally making them interesting.
Creslin321 6 months ago
good video
Diablo9964 7 months ago
I don't know much about version 3, but that's because I am a newbie that started with version 4. I agree completely with what you say about WOW vs. 4e
heroscape300 7 months ago
Perhaps you should discuss the topic with someone prepared and qualified to dispute 4th edition without using the WOW position. Wizards will not fully know the success of thier new product until a year or more after the accessories are released.
Even if 4th is a POS, responsibiity fall to the players to mold the system into something usable. D&D is progressive, so what if the company progressed in a terrible direction. Play something else and Wizards will notice the drop in sales and do 5th
nowyouareazombie 8 months ago
Completely new to D&D, and while searching youtube for gameplay examples, found a plethora of negativity surrounding this edition. While not having played the other versions, D&D4e is turning out to be an incredible experience for me, and I fully support your point that several other viewers have made; we need to always recall the "where we've been" and "where are we now" aspects of fantasy games. From what I can see collective imagining and reimagining is what D&D promotes and is built upon.
MrJTL1984 1 year ago
There is always this gamer attitude that has to say, "this is a copy of that" "WoW copies everquest" etc. Why does this matter? Is it some form of gamer's pride? Is a toyota a copy of a ford because it has 4 wheels and a steering wheel?
Evological 1 year ago
Well I COULD knock down pretty much ALL your arguments but im to lazy to watch all your videos. If you wouldn't mind engaging in a discussion about 4e please send me an email. I would LOVE to discuss everything with no "Duh 4e Sucks LOL".
Just reasonable arguments.
TheInsaneSchoolchild 1 year ago
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soulshadow75 1 year ago
4th ed is stronger and better because it's for kids. kids don't have enough brain to ROLE play and they play "rule playing games" like 4th ed
DungeonsItalia 1 year ago
i write my own rpgs and recently decided to try D&D problem is i cant afford all the books but ,,,, i have managed to get the players hand book and wilst waiting for more i wrote a basic rpg based on some of the rules and i must say so far its the best iv written and my group l;ove it , and i owe it all to just one book ,,, cant wait to get started on a real D&D game
spudmanchronic 1 year ago
@spudmanchronic That's great, I have written my own games since I was young. Nowadays, I write a lot of D&D content.
repsesper 1 year ago
@spudmanchronic If you can't afford buying the books (much like myself), you can do the following: With just the PHB and DMG, you have all you need to run an adventure.
To get more content you can subscribe to D&D Insider which lets you download the Character Builder and Adventure tools which has all the new monsters and character options released.
It's a pretty inexpensive setup and you get a lot of stuff with it.
PrimeSonicYT 1 year ago
@PrimeSonicYT thank you, very much
1. its great info and advice
2. its very rare to get some 1 who places sencible comments any more
so thank you and have some great games XD
spudmanchronic 1 year ago
@PrimeSonicYT thank you very much, you dont get many comments that are useful anymore so cheers, i have managed to get the basic set now but advice you've given has been very helpfull, cheers XD
spudmanchronic 1 year ago
dungeons and dragons and WOW o its existence to jrr tolkein who created a lot of fantasy and he os it to medieval times which back then people thought fantasy was real
EvilJaime 1 year ago
only my heros would refer to their appearence as wraith like lol,
you sir, are an epic win
chainedhearts1 1 year ago
meh they took out chaotic good and lawful evil, which were my favorite alignments. that's my beef. plus im poor and dont have the money to buy new books etc.
1337penguinking 1 year ago
yeah D&D was made before warcraft and i think through the years they have played off eachother in some ways... idk if any one thinks the same thing. lol
TheKrome777 1 year ago
because its easy but i get what your saying but people do tend to go toward easier stuff but 4 e inst easy its just easier than 3e in some ways harder than others
i agree with you u would have to be an idiot to think that because dnd was the first the very first rpg ever well in this civilization anyway oh and by the way u are on smart motherfucker
swordplay4 1 year ago
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samscuba1104 1 year ago
@samscuba1104 i dont see why you are being sarcastic when they do that they make it less fun so think that one through dumb nuts and i dont know why i just like saying that which is why i called you it not to be an ass although i am one
swordplay4 1 year ago
I definitely agree with you and everything you said, although i havent played WOW. 2 Q's: 1) what does MMO stand for 2) how old r u
DnDJordanL 1 year ago
@DnDJordanL MMORPG: massively-multiplayer online roleplaying game. I am currently 28.
repsesper 1 year ago
I don't think world of warcraft is really D&D as an MMO
DDO is a much better online D&D experience in my opinion, at least.
I haven't given fourth a try because I've read lots of reviews and most of them are negative, and I don't really want to spend the money if I'll just go back to basic or 3.5
What are the major upsides to 4th?
NewWorldSinner 1 year ago
@NewWorldSinner Well, you are correct. However, WoW owes almost everything to D&D.
I've read lots of negative 4e reviews online too, that's why I made this video. I got annoyed by their lack of truth. If someone says, "I personally like 3e more", that's totally respectable. But it's all the misinformed, hateful, or trolling reviews that bug me.
DMing prep work is less, monsters run better, the writing and lore is great, and check out my other 4e vs 3e video for info about characters.
repsesper 1 year ago
@repsesper
I'll definitely do that. Always looking to see both sides of things.
And just about EVERYTHING owes itself to D&D or Lord of the Rings.
NewWorldSinner 1 year ago
@NewWorldSinner Exactly. It's like a family tree:
Mythology = LotR = D&D = all RPGs
repsesper 1 year ago
Ok why do people who played 3 judge 4 before buying the books. I played a 3.5 game only once because that's the only version our dm would play. lo and behold after about 6 hours making charcters we got into one fight and had to quit. 4 years later I am dming my own 4 game and loving it.
dylanquern 1 year ago
@dylanquern That's a hard question to answer. I've spoken with numerous 3.5 gamers who have tried 4e, but didn't like it, which really comes down to personal preference. What gets me is when people like that make these fictitious statements about 4e as if they are some fact of life ("4e isn't customizable", "4e destroys roleplaying", "4e is too simple" "4e is just like WoW" etc.)
repsesper 1 year ago
@dylanquern making characters does take awhile thats why i do it individually over the phone
swordplay4 1 year ago
I was looking for 4e reviews and I found this thing. I like it, you don't really choose over 4e or 3(.5), but you're just combating hater logic. I for one am looking to host a 4e game to see all the fuss is about. Probably going to get the best of both worlds and smash 3.5 and 4 together somehow, some way...
zomgtheone 1 year ago
For someone that hasn't played D&D for like 20years, and decided to give 4E a shot, I was disappointed at first (mostly because there were no more to hit tables and saving throw tables and spell tables...the list goes on), but as I got into it, i found it ran a bit smoother, and the start up was quicker. Low level characters don't suck anymore and Wizards no longer have to sit back with only their one or two spells they can cast and that's it. 4E is getting a lot of undeserved hate.
Humpahna 1 year ago
Ok thanks! Now that i know i am going to play wow thx!!!
Arbeta10000 1 year ago
I have a question, does your account in wow cancel (and never come back) if you dont pay every month?! Or is it a year? Please answer! I am going to start play wow in friday this weak so i really want to know before i start... So i know if its worth it Please answer...
Arbeta10000 1 year ago
Even if you cancel your account later, your characters are never deleted and you can start back up if you want. I know this because I canceled my account months ago.
repsesper 1 year ago
Well, have fun endlessly grinding away at monsters for treasure >.>
repsesper 1 year ago
Congrats! You have the patience and requisite reasoning skills to make a strong argument for D&D 4e. Don't get frustrated with the idiots who can't see your argument and can't form a coherent one of their own. Frankly, those plebes don't matter. Their real arguments are:
1. DnD 4e will cost too much money and I'll feel inferior that I can't buy the new set
2. DnD 4e's new rules are difficult for me to learn and I don't want to expend the effort
3. Why change what I already like, that's scary
RTistAngel 2 years ago
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I love your reviews just so you know.....but for the neigh sayers of 4E....STFU with the WoW comparison, there is none D&D has existed since the 70's WoW has existed since 2000-something and stole it's idea's from D&D so STFU already please!!!!!
Underleaf76 2 years ago
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Underleaf76 2 years ago
The whole D&D experience is quite subjective. As I've said before, it is a like a toolset for the imagination. As far as 4e targeting a wider audience, I would say so to an extent. It is definitely less of a painstaking/cryptic system to dm.
repsesper 2 years ago
You are totally right when you say 4th edition has taken some good elements from Warcraft, but that saying that it is just like WoW is nonsense.
That said, i think you will agree with me: A Warcraft adaptation to D&D 4th edition would work really nice. I have sketched some races and powers adaptations, and it all looked quite good. Well i don't actually want to run a Warcraft campaign with my players, so that's all i'm ever gonna do, but it would work nice.
Pascarigudum 2 years ago
I think that mechanically, it could adapt fine. However, seeing as the writers behind WoW suck so bad, I would never insult D&D by doing such a project.
So, basically, I hear ya.
repsesper 2 years ago
4ed is a great mechanical system that gives alot of options to roleplay it out. Every class from lvl 1 to 30 is relavent in a fight or skill challange. I DM both 4ed and pathfinder( pathfinder for game store events) and find that there are more options in 4ed than pathfinder.
venkel 2 years ago
I completely agree. See, the thing is this: D&D (especially 4e) doesn't come right out and tell you what to do. WotC can't tell you how to describe every little detail, how to write interesting stories, or act out unique NPCs. This is an art, and it takes experience to level up your storytelling/DMing skill.
repsesper 2 years ago
Bear with me. Im going by the info i heard so far. My two biggest peeves with dnd 4e is:
1. They removed gnomes and druids, my two favorites and
2. They removed prestige classes
the beauty about 3.5 is that even though it only went to lvl 20, u had tons of things that allowed u to contine playing including focused racial talents, prestige classes, cross classing and focused class talents
Axethrower88 2 years ago
Gnomes and druids are in PHB2. You have to realize that 4e is still very young. Everything and more will be made in due time. Btw, druid is my all-time favorite class.
Prestige classes? Forget that shnizzle, you have paragon paths and epic destinies now.
repsesper 2 years ago
I agree with you about the things they left out. Repsesper makes the solid point that these things have been replaced with superior alternatives or they are still in there - you just have to buy a separate "expansion" to enjoy them.
It's naive to think these decisions were made by Gamers and not by business men. These Gamers ARE Business men and they like making a living playing and SELLING these games. This isn't a part time hobby or a charity for them. It's a game AND a business.
RTistAngel 2 years ago
I like 3rd better because 4th takes away from alot of the roleplaying and gives too may limitations.
KerrazydaveDM2k10 2 years ago
I like 4e better because it adds a lot to the roleplaying and has much less limitations.
repsesper 2 years ago
Welll i am still in the 2nd edition rules.
that is what I grew up with and find it hard to accept the rest of the new editions.
So now everybody else is using new rules I gave it up. I now make movies in the D&D world all on You Tube
they are done by Shadowyn films
movies such as
Soul Searching
Wintertide
capndax 2 years ago
Right on, I watch the Shadowyn films from time to time. I just watched the one with the ghost and the catacombs (can't remember the name).
Sorry to hear that you aren't gaming currently. Hopefully you'll get going again someday.
repsesper 2 years ago
Seeing your video made think of this:
If 3.5 was still on the shelves next to 4th edition, which of the two would you choose?
Not just you, but the majority of the gamers obviously.
I guess in the end you would have to buy the two of them and see which one you really liked.
Me myself, i wouldn't know cause i have only played one session of 4th ed, on the DMG 2 Day ot thing. Seemed pretty artificial and since then i had discarded buying any of the books, but well now i'm reconsidering it.
jimannothe 2 years ago
I played the heck out of 3.5, I even made my own mod of it called Legendscape, which my friends and I played twice a week for the better part of 2 years. So yah, I really like 3.5, it's just that the advances made with 4e have improved our experience in many ways.
repsesper 2 years ago
4th edition streamed the rules, now it feels more like a board game instead of yonder d&d. The new rules are nice, it's a really good game, have to admit,but better than 3.5, ahh i don't think so, perhaps a better combat game but not a better rpg.
Anyway i'll start a campaign using 4th ed rules in about a week, when i get the core books...
You got pretty cool videos, keep it up.
jimannothe 2 years ago
Thank you.
I completely understand the point of view that 4e "feels more game-ish". I agree to an extent. Here is the best thing I can tell you: If you are not making full usage of the potential that skill challenges, rituals, and lore offer, coupled with your own immersive story, world, and character development, then you are going to get the combat-heavy tactics rpg that 4e critics scoff at.
repsesper 2 years ago
Wouldn't it be the same with 3E?
marvelona 1 year ago
I really appreciate your videos. I've watched all of them. They're thoughtful and provide useful information.
I haven't played in almost 10 years and my friends and I are looking at starting a new game. The 3.5 v 4.0 argument has kept us from buying books for a few weeks. Thanks for giving me some SENSIBLE insight.
bgoodsoil 2 years ago
No problem. The argument is tedious, yes. I could go on and on I suppose, if I really felt so inclined. I basically made my two "edition argument" videos because I got perturbed by others' videos that just seemed...unfounded (to put it nicely).
repsesper 2 years ago
Another example of poor verisimilitude. I saw an article called "I made a Gelatinous Cube cry so hard it died!"
A bard used Vicious Mockery on a G-Cube and killed it. That is another problem. Lazy. Yeah, the DM could have said no, but if he did, he'd probably have to keep saying no to most of it and a lot of the powers wouldn't work.
AnonGemini 2 years ago
Ok, that is hilarious.
repsesper 2 years ago
*I quite like 4E, but there are serious issues IMO.
Why is 4E like an MMO?
Lack of verisimilitude. You have buttons (dailies and encounters) that you press and have a recharge rate. I don't have a problem with that in itself, but I find it stupid that you can only hit something really hard once a day and when you get better (level up) you forget how to do it because you can now shoot fire out of your arse. (Lazy design - not good.)
Other than that most of it is an improvement.
AnonGemini 2 years ago
Well, 4e is more "gamey" if that's even a word. 3e tried harder to extrapolate reality. I agree with you though, for all its quirks, 4e has made many advances overall.
repsesper 2 years ago
As always love it
NoobFish23 2 years ago
I respect you. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words, and you hit the nail on the head..............hard.
TylersTerrain 2 years ago
I completely know what you mean, the feeling-thought-word process is a tricky one sometimes.
repsesper 2 years ago
its a shame the actual D&D mmo (D&D online) isn't that great lol
Chaosedge 2 years ago
I feel ya on that one. I could be good, but has too many shortcomings to mention. It is free (for the most part), so I can't really complain too much though.
repsesper 2 years ago
After playing 4th for well over a year now i have decided to go back to 3.5. It may not be as balanced but its as real as possible.
kellystone84 2 years ago 2
I honestly like 4th edition better.
So they went bit overboard with the whole balance 'issues'
So what if they had bits of influence from World of Warcraft. My boss who used to play adnd second edition (I think that's what it was called) said that the whole 3rd edition was just like mmorpg.
As a DM, 4th edition is much more forgiving to me and my players. They've never played dnd before in their life and it took them entire month to get the hang of the 4th edition rules.
gunttoo 2 years ago
4e is specifically designed to be more enjoyable to play. Interesting options all around.
Popular, innovative games (like WoW) can't hurt D&D, they can only strengthen it.
3e did a good job extrapolating reality, but the downside to that is that in reality you can get seriously decimated, i.e. stunned or panicked for an entire fight, exhausted for an entire day, poisoned to the point that you need days to recover. Are these things realistic? Yes. Are they good for having fun with a game?
repsesper 2 years ago
My comparisons to WOW had points behind it. You put this as a response to my video but did you watch it? You want to label people as idiots but if you don't believe that Hasbro is more concerned about money than doing what's right by DND, and emulates WOW because WOW makes a ton of cash, then you sir are the idiot. Many gamers do tear 4th ed to shreds but there are many new gamers who only have the choice of the edition on the shelves. They play 4th because it's all they know.
bwrpwr 2 years ago
1. Yes, I watched your video.
2. I stated in my video that WotC is a business first and foremost. I also stated that the developers are great at what they do, and they are passionate gamers too.
3. If a majority of gamers hated 4e, we would all know it, and people would stop buying it. Simple.
4. 4e is the only thing on the shelves? That's funny, because last time I went to the hobby store, I saw multiple RPGs on the shelf, including Pathfinder.
5. Don't make me make another video!
repsesper 2 years ago
Why would someone complain about a game being similar to one of the most popular games in the world, with millions and millions of players worldwide?
DrumberBoy69 2 years ago
To me, many things are better than sleeping. If given the choice, I wouldn't sleep. But love the video, especially 4:32 - 4:53.
Br0k3nHe4r7ed0ne 2 years ago
I've actually thought about that. What could I accomplish if I didn't have to sleep. Then I realize that a good deal of my inspiration as an artist comes from my dreams...so yah.
repsesper 2 years ago
Makes sense to me. Come to think about it, most of my creativity does tend to come from sleep. So I guess in a way sleep is worth taking. Made me think of 7th grade, when we had to write a page about 'If you could trade half of what you own for a pill that makes you only require an hour of sleep, would you do it, and why/why not.' Not sure how much sleep is required to become inspired, but I also do enjoy just lazing about in bed.
Br0k3nHe4r7ed0ne 2 years ago
Every once in awhile, I have a day where I wake up and then just lie in bed playing video games.
repsesper 2 years ago
And at the time, it just feels like the best thing to do, right? Yeah, I've had those days, and also days where I just lie there staring at the ceiling. At least until something comes to mind that causes me to crawl out, such as inspiration, or of course video-games. But because I only have a pc, I gotta get up to play. =P
Br0k3nHe4r7ed0ne 2 years ago
hahah bullshit radar!
xXLibertyPrimeXx 2 years ago
D&D 4e is not like WOW at all. In wow your character knows all the spells other people in that class know (except talent spells 3-4 normaly), In D&D the chances of meeting a person that's character has all the spells, feats, ext, is very unlikely. D&D gives you more fredom to make your character into a character, not like in wow where everyone is about the same.
Great video btw 5/5 I like to play wow every now and then, but kinda burned out of it as of right now.
greenvash 2 years ago
WoW is good, but in the end, the game mostly boils down to grinding countless monsters so that you can level and get better gear so that you can grind more countless monsters...(repeat)...do you see where I'm going with this?
You're right, D&D does allow way more freedom, and it gives you the creative reigns to make it whatever you want. For example, my campaigns have lots of storyline, and the players have the ability to shape that story and its ultimate outcome.
repsesper 2 years ago
Not in 4th ed. Without buying tons of extra books there are only about 3 different daily powers per class ect ect. The WOW comparison comes from the way the roles of a party are the exact same now as in wow(defender-tank,controller crowd-control ect) and the way that at wills feel like you are mashing sinister strike over and over again then use an encounter-finishing strike or what have you. There are more but that's just a few of the comparisons.
bwrpwr 2 years ago
Maybe you are not getting it. I stated in my video, that I'm not disputed WoW influences. What I clearly said was, that tired argument has nothing behind it. If D&D 4e is like WoW, then what does that mean? If WotC has learned from innovations in the genre, and developed them even further, how exactly is that bad?
repsesper 2 years ago