I am a geodynamicist, and I am sorry, but if the Quran is suggesting that mountains function as stabilizers in any way, it is wrong. Not only are they the result of instability, but they cause further instability due to thermal feedback mechanisms. Furthermore, not all mountains are related to subduction, there are many other types of mountains, produced by various mechanisms. By the way, greek philosophy produced knowledge a thousand times more interesting than in any religious text.
Now, if there were no mountains on earth, well according to isostasy, the crust would be still balanced because it would be still supported by its 'buoyancy' as well as today.
Therefore, isostasy has NOTHING to do with mountains fixing effect! Harun Yahya is either an ignorant on geology, or a pitiful liar.
The crust isn't 'stabilized' by mountains: it shakes and drifts.
My rebbutal proves thus that the Quran is NOT the word from God.
In a scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:
Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle. (General Science, Carolyn Sheets, Robert Gardner, Samuel F. Howe; Allyn and Bacon Inc. Newton, Massachusetts, 1985, s. 305)
In a verse, this role of the mountains is pointed out by a comparison with "pegs":
"Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?" (The Qur'an, 78:6-7)
Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the Earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the Earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the Earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.
Mountains form due to collision of contiental plates. Think about Himalaya. They are formed by the collision of the Indian and Eurasian plates. And the Indian plate is like a bulldozer, it pushes the Eurasain plate. As a result the latter, near the convergent boundary, is full of faults (where seisms occur) and is divided into 'blocks' that move relatively to each other due to the pushing Indian plate.
this source states: "when continents are thicker, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle".
It means that, beneath moutains, the crust is thicker than in other areas (ie, in non-mountainous regions). This is Airy's model of isostasy: the more the crust is high on surface, the deeper is its expansion inside the earth. The better analogy would be that of iceberg.
However, that doesn't prove that mountains act as pegs. Surely, plates are moving and mountains are growing up.
Seems to me that we disagree ourselves on interpreting this fact.
Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the Earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the Earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the Earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.
Mountains have indeed deep roots (except Himalaya), but that doesn't prove that they act as pegs. The function of this roots is only to support the weight of reliefs on surface.
Again, if mountains really fixed earth's crust, plates would be STABLE, they wouldn't drift. As a result, mountains formations, divergences (rifts) and subductions would be all halted.
Moreover, they would be almost no tectonic seisms.
Thus, what you said isn't a fact but an error, I'm afraid.
It seems that you only have ONE source, and that source is almost 15 years old. What you need to understand about science is that theories are constantly evolving and being debated so you can't base your entire argument on one journal article that you found. And the fact that you continue to quote that article verbatim does not make it any more true. Another thing that you failed to mention were the other countless theories that science has presented and that the Quran speaks the opposite of.
*isostasy deals with the fixing effect of mountains?
the principle of isostasy, as you can see, has to do with the graviationnal equilibrium of the crust over the mantle.
According to this principle, each part of the crust (ie, mountains, valleys, plateaus, continents, ect...) is balanced according to its weight, for it's subjuctated to 2 forces which are compensated: its weight [gravity] and its 'buoyancy'.
So, mountains can't prevent the crust from drifting over the mantle. Rather, to stop crust drifting, one needs to halt convections in the mantle.
Moreover, the crustal roots beneath mountains are there to support the weight of the reliefs. So, the fact that mountains have roots doesn't mean that they fix the plates.
Thus, mountains don't fix the plates as pegs fix wooden plates.
The Qur'an is the word of God, because it says so in the Qur'an. Mohammed swore to God that God made him his messenger.
If every con-man was allowed to use that logic, there would be no use in having laws against fraud, every criminal would be a Prophet and the entire legal system would be pointless.
"The Qur'an is the word of God, because it says so in the Qur'an. Mohammed swore to God that God made him his messenger.
If every con-man was allowed to use that logic, there would be ......."
I don't even think that your reading my comments properly or at all. Since your claiming that I said things that I did not. You lost the argument because you refuse to read other people's comments and views and because of this you are speaking to yourself and you lie of what people have said.
I have not heard anything about that Muslim scholars found verses about snow on Mars in the Qu'ran. Give me the Surah (Chapter) and the exact verses to prove it. Even if they would have found a text in the Qu'ran which states this, it would not be possible for the people on earth to know this fact over 1400 years ago and the Qu'ran is not changeable and is not corrupted. Meaning that once again the Qu'ran proves itself to be the word from God.
Kaito, you can do it yourself. Just find a verse with something pure (like the squeaky clean Mohammed), something red like blood (plenty of those verses), and something to do with heaven. And there you have it..Snow on Mars in the Qur'an, its that easy.
I can't claim things from the Qu'ran just because I am a Muslim. I need to be a educated Muslim scholar and I need to back it up with proof.
So you just made it up, you lied, Muslim scholars did not find a verse in the Qu'ran about the subject.
Have you even read the Qu'ran? Even if you have, which I doubt I surely think that you have misunderstood it completely. Ask e.g imams or scholars in the Mosque about the Qu'ran instead of interpreting it yourself.
Kaito, ofcourse I made it up. Scientists did find snow on Mars but I was joking about the muslim scholars, but dont be surprised if it happens.
And no, I wont be consulting Imams thankyou. Middle-eastern scripture has no merit in my view. The proof is in the pudding, just look at the middle-east.
You wont be consulting Imams because your afraid of what they are going to say and also because you know that the things they are going to say is a lot different then what you think and believe about Islam.
The proof is the pudding? Look at the Middle East? I see a lot of corrupted countries in the Middle East, not Muslim countries.
I have no fear of words, especially mumbo-jumbo superstitious nonsense. One thing that might scare me: If an Imam told me I must walk into the lavatory with my left foot first and then pee sitting down, I might laugh so much I'd piss my pants.
I have a totally different view of religion to you Kaito. I'm happy to discuss it if you wish, but be warned, you will be offended.
Mankind can only know the things that God has granted them, we can only know with his knowledge. But God on the other hand, knows everything and is almighty. If you watched this video then you should have understood this.
The Qu'ran brings up something that is unknowable for mankind at that time when the Qu'ran was written but yet it is written in the holy Qu'ran. This proves that God exist and that he truly is almighty and wise and that the Qu'ran is the word from God.
I am a geodynamicist, and I am sorry, but if the Quran is suggesting that mountains function as stabilizers in any way, it is wrong. Not only are they the result of instability, but they cause further instability due to thermal feedback mechanisms. Furthermore, not all mountains are related to subduction, there are many other types of mountains, produced by various mechanisms. By the way, greek philosophy produced knowledge a thousand times more interesting than in any religious text.
kdwormy 2 years ago
Now, if there were no mountains on earth, well according to isostasy, the crust would be still balanced because it would be still supported by its 'buoyancy' as well as today.
Therefore, isostasy has NOTHING to do with mountains fixing effect! Harun Yahya is either an ignorant on geology, or a pitiful liar.
The crust isn't 'stabilized' by mountains: it shakes and drifts.
My rebbutal proves thus that the Quran is NOT the word from God.
silveren777 3 years ago
In a scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:
Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle. (General Science, Carolyn Sheets, Robert Gardner, Samuel F. Howe; Allyn and Bacon Inc. Newton, Massachusetts, 1985, s. 305)
In a verse, this role of the mountains is pointed out by a comparison with "pegs":
"Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?" (The Qur'an, 78:6-7)
Kaitoli 3 years ago
This is the continue of the previous comment..
Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the Earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the Earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the Earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
Mountains form due to collision of contiental plates. Think about Himalaya. They are formed by the collision of the Indian and Eurasian plates. And the Indian plate is like a bulldozer, it pushes the Eurasain plate. As a result the latter, near the convergent boundary, is full of faults (where seisms occur) and is divided into 'blocks' that move relatively to each other due to the pushing Indian plate.
follow...
silveren777 3 years ago
So, if mountains really functionned as pegs, they would entirely stop the collision and the mouvement of the ENTIRE colliding plate.
Thus, mountains don't act as pegs, indeed contrary to your claim, the crust IS drifting over the mantle (as stated by plate tectonics theory).
silveren777 3 years ago
I already gave you a nice source
"(General Science, Carolyn Sheets, Robert Gardner, Samuel F. Howe; Allyn and Bacon Inc. Newton, Massachusetts, 1985, s. 305)"
Where is your source?
Kaitoli 3 years ago
Hello,
this source states: "when continents are thicker, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle".
It means that, beneath moutains, the crust is thicker than in other areas (ie, in non-mountainous regions). This is Airy's model of isostasy: the more the crust is high on surface, the deeper is its expansion inside the earth. The better analogy would be that of iceberg.
However, that doesn't prove that mountains act as pegs. Surely, plates are moving and mountains are growing up.
follow...
silveren777 3 years ago
Seems to me that we disagree ourselves on interpreting this fact.
Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the Earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the Earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the Earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
Mountains have indeed deep roots (except Himalaya), but that doesn't prove that they act as pegs. The function of this roots is only to support the weight of reliefs on surface.
Again, if mountains really fixed earth's crust, plates would be STABLE, they wouldn't drift. As a result, mountains formations, divergences (rifts) and subductions would be all halted.
Moreover, they would be almost no tectonic seisms.
Thus, what you said isn't a fact but an error, I'm afraid.
silveren777 3 years ago
My sources are as follows:
* p.64 "pour la science" June 1995 * tectonic plate map.
silveren777 3 years ago
It seems that you only have ONE source, and that source is almost 15 years old. What you need to understand about science is that theories are constantly evolving and being debated so you can't base your entire argument on one journal article that you found. And the fact that you continue to quote that article verbatim does not make it any more true. Another thing that you failed to mention were the other countless theories that science has presented and that the Quran speaks the opposite of.
sarhsaad 3 years ago
*isostasy deals with the fixing effect of mountains?
the principle of isostasy, as you can see, has to do with the graviationnal equilibrium of the crust over the mantle.
According to this principle, each part of the crust (ie, mountains, valleys, plateaus, continents, ect...) is balanced according to its weight, for it's subjuctated to 2 forces which are compensated: its weight [gravity] and its 'buoyancy'.
follow...
silveren777 3 years ago
So, mountains can't prevent the crust from drifting over the mantle. Rather, to stop crust drifting, one needs to halt convections in the mantle.
Moreover, the crustal roots beneath mountains are there to support the weight of the reliefs. So, the fact that mountains have roots doesn't mean that they fix the plates.
Thus, mountains don't fix the plates as pegs fix wooden plates.
follow...
silveren777 3 years ago
* Do mountains prevent shocks on the Earth?
First, the verse states that mountains are made to avoid earth moving, not shocks. Moreover, what does the author of this video mean by 'shocks'?
* Mountains fix plates?
The two convergent plates that form a mountains-range move relatively to each other.
If mountains functionned as pegs for the plates, the Earth's crust would be, not divided into plates but would be in one piece.
follow...
silveren777 3 years ago
I view this video, now i'm going to bring a answer:
silveren777 3 years ago
Excuse me but that makes no sense whatsoever.
The Qur'an is the word of God, because it says so in the Qur'an. Mohammed swore to God that God made him his messenger.
If every con-man was allowed to use that logic, there would be no use in having laws against fraud, every criminal would be a Prophet and the entire legal system would be pointless.
mjdoyza 3 years ago
If you read your previous comments then you'll understand. Because my comment was a reply to yours.
You said that "nobody can know the unknowable" and I answered that view by proving that the Qu'ran knew the "unknowable".
If anybody is a con, then it's you.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
You said:
"The Qur'an is the word of God, because it says so in the Qur'an. Mohammed swore to God that God made him his messenger.
If every con-man was allowed to use that logic, there would be ......."
I don't even think that your reading my comments properly or at all. Since your claiming that I said things that I did not. You lost the argument because you refuse to read other people's comments and views and because of this you are speaking to yourself and you lie of what people have said.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
And in breaking news, scientists have found snow on Mars, followed closely by Islamic scholars finding snow on Mars in the qur'an.
mjdoyza 3 years ago
I have not heard anything about that Muslim scholars found verses about snow on Mars in the Qu'ran. Give me the Surah (Chapter) and the exact verses to prove it. Even if they would have found a text in the Qu'ran which states this, it would not be possible for the people on earth to know this fact over 1400 years ago and the Qu'ran is not changeable and is not corrupted. Meaning that once again the Qu'ran proves itself to be the word from God.
In this case, I hope your right ;)
Kaitoli 3 years ago
Kaito, you can do it yourself. Just find a verse with something pure (like the squeaky clean Mohammed), something red like blood (plenty of those verses), and something to do with heaven. And there you have it..Snow on Mars in the Qur'an, its that easy.
Glad to help.
mjdoyza 3 years ago
Funny, you just admitted your ignorant.
I can't claim things from the Qu'ran just because I am a Muslim. I need to be a educated Muslim scholar and I need to back it up with proof.
So you just made it up, you lied, Muslim scholars did not find a verse in the Qu'ran about the subject.
Have you even read the Qu'ran? Even if you have, which I doubt I surely think that you have misunderstood it completely. Ask e.g imams or scholars in the Mosque about the Qu'ran instead of interpreting it yourself.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
Kaito, ofcourse I made it up. Scientists did find snow on Mars but I was joking about the muslim scholars, but dont be surprised if it happens.
And no, I wont be consulting Imams thankyou. Middle-eastern scripture has no merit in my view. The proof is in the pudding, just look at the middle-east.
Peace.
mjdoyza 3 years ago
You wont be consulting Imams because your afraid of what they are going to say and also because you know that the things they are going to say is a lot different then what you think and believe about Islam.
The proof is the pudding? Look at the Middle East? I see a lot of corrupted countries in the Middle East, not Muslim countries.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
I have no fear of words, especially mumbo-jumbo superstitious nonsense. One thing that might scare me: If an Imam told me I must walk into the lavatory with my left foot first and then pee sitting down, I might laugh so much I'd piss my pants.
I have a totally different view of religion to you Kaito. I'm happy to discuss it if you wish, but be warned, you will be offended.
mjdoyza 3 years ago
Who says you have to walk into the lavatory with your left foot first?
It's obvious that you have a different view on religion than me, since your an atheist or similar.
Your not the first person warning me and says that I will get offended.
I love discussions, especially about religion.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
My view Kaito is that nobody can know the unknowable, those who claim to be Prophets are con-men, those who believe them are fools.
mjdoyza 3 years ago
Mankind can only know the things that God has granted them, we can only know with his knowledge. But God on the other hand, knows everything and is almighty. If you watched this video then you should have understood this.
Kaitoli 3 years ago
Your view is answered in the video since
The Qu'ran brings up something that is unknowable for mankind at that time when the Qu'ran was written but yet it is written in the holy Qu'ran. This proves that God exist and that he truly is almighty and wise and that the Qu'ran is the word from God.
Kaitoli 3 years ago