Such disrespect! Can't even finish their song without being rushed. Cool to see all of them playing together, being recorded. Thanks so much for downloading that.
Ironically, Moby Grape and Quicksilver were the forerunners of sounds and innovations that were caught by Eagles and Dobbie Brothers. These last two bands sold millions, but Moby Grape and Quicksilver that deserved the credit have not been recognized. Who told life was fair?.
@englishsunset & hugosalarm: Nice discussion. I know all these guys very well and you are absolutly correct; for them, it was ALL about the music - and still is. (Check out the vids. from SXSW on Omar's (One of Skip's sons.) channel. (odogsantacruz))
BTW/FYI: Buffalo Springfield and MGB were very close, back in the "day" - Pete credits BS with working out the 3 guitar tunings - and Neil was _almost_ in MGB, whilst Pete was _almost_ in BS.
The guy who said they were better than the Beatles got it right. Had the Grape gotten a chance to evolve, the people would have realized it, too. Creedence Clearwater? Please. They played the same song over and over, either faster or slower, with different lyrics. Three great songs then a lot of yawning. Bless you, Skip.
@englishsunset Hey, I was the one guy on the commune who argued that Mike Douglas was far cooler than Geraldo Rivera and was soundly rebuked in a not so "peace and love"-ing way for my efforts. Hippies could be as spiteful and shallow as anyone else. I always thought Moby Grape's boundless talent was wasted on a lot of them, as well.
@hugosalarm ...Your post was 100 0/0 dead on the money. People are and were the same, no matter what hairstyle they have, car they drive or job they have. Jerks are jerks.
Bands from that era were a dime a dozen and that is why groups like Moby Grape never really got their just recognition. The pool was full and between management and politics many great artists simply didn't get what they should have gotten. However, they did have and still do have their loyal fans.
@englishsunset Thoughtfully expressed. Two or three very fragile personalities and well documented mismanagement doomed this great band. Thanks for calling attention to the loyal fans. That is the essence, the heart to heart and soul to soul stuff that truly is all that matters, both then and all these years on. "Some are bound for happiness, some are bound for glory, some are bound to live with less, who can tell your story." Neil Young, no doubt a friend of fellow Canadian, Skip Spence.
A perfect example of what can happen when you put faith and trust into someone who swears they know what is best for your career. Moby Grape. Murder in my heart for the judge.
Their various, multi-faceted styles set them way apart from ANY rock band of that era. Overlooked as country/rock pioneers, "Changes Circles Spinning from the album Truly Fine Citizen proves that point!
They were fuckin' great, and despite this awkward TV appearance really delivered. One of my favorite bands of all time. Long Live the Grape. And RIP Skippy...love ya' brutha'
Their appearance was just before edgier type rock music and the counter culture lifestyle had gotten into mainstream culture. I always enjoy watching how the establishment squares reacted to this. I still enjoy the newer "establishment squares of today react to this also. I do applaud Mike Douglass for getting them on his show though.
Of the 1st song, (1st I've heard it) I kept waiting for a *verse* It does need another part of some kind. "Listen my friend" - to - the sound of revolution?/some decent gtr jamming between vocal lines?. - 8:05 on the other hand is a great song, a lost, underappreciated classic. It gets a pretty good rendition here.
Of 'old school' talk show hosts perhaps only Dick Cavett was more friendly toward 'rock-n-roll', that anti-establishment sound, than M. Douglas. Maybe his producer more than him?
@qsergyuko This shi*hole show reg had John & Yoko on as hosts an co-hosts for weeks at a time. Even Zappa and many more did the show. I don't know your age but, I can't believe anyone who watched M.D. daily back in 69--71 would have the opinion of this being "shit*ole tv. Even if it was a word to be used in this context. RJ
@beatleman54 you nutty old man,see how smart ass the host is being?what a cockhead he is,the show is full of squares man,and the grape were anything but squares,the grape deserved a lot better,fuck mike douglas.
@beatleman54 Beatleman is correct. Back then days, all the TV shows were "square". MD probably had to go out on a limb to do this. Moby Grape were not exactly a big mainstream act, so besides everything else Mike D had good taste! He wassomeone who grew up in the 40's...rock and long hair were new, and I'm sure the prevailing thought among the straights was that it wouldn't last. But at least he did his part. Rock on TV was few and far between, we were happy for anything we could get.
@qsergyuko Mike Douglas was great.. and had a great show. He had lots of up and coming stars to perform on his show.. that may or may not otherwise had gotten seen or heard. Dick Cavett too!
more great footage. the moby grapes? squaresville, daddy-o. in this age of letterman and conan, we forget how stodgy and show-biz the old talk shows were. at least they had bands like the grape on once in a while.
MikeyDee (Yo!) may have been stodgy, daddy-o squaresville (you bring back all the old 'post'-hip hippy vernacular!) but as a (2nd rate) singer he DID know something about music composition. Listening to that 1st song I felt kind of bad for the band -as a comp. it goes nowhere/is nowheresville,man. I don't think there's one moment it moves beyond basic blues chording, etc. - 8:05 OTOH is lovely, 'timeless' - something our kids, and MD's generation could appreciate. And a good ol' hippy classic.
Chilluns might not know, but Mike Douglas was one cool cat. He had The Grape on his show for heaven's sake! (Love that background light show!) Anyway, the boys were in fine form. Many thanks for posting this...!
"The Moby Grapes?" Pretty good sound for '60's TV. Jerry Miller removed the pick up covers from his L5. He got better tone than most - I heard he preferred a tweed 4x10 Bassman.
Great band...too bad they couldn't last. Skip Spence, the first Keith Moon: Unhinged, hard not to watch, built for self destruction. RIP, Skip and band.
Plato said that if you want to really change a society you change their music. The baby boomers certainly did change music and just as Plato predicted an avalanche of social change followed. I was 16 years old in 1969. Fortunately i lived through those times i wouldn't trade them for all the tea in China.
It was one hell of a great time to be alive and coming of age.
both Miller and Lewis play bluesy styles. two awesome lead guitarists in one band. one of several unique Moby Grape traits. they didn't realize popularity and so-called success as Airplane, Dead, etc. because of lousy management, Matt Katz, former manager of Airplane. As Peter Lewis said "Matthew (Katz) brought the spirit of conflict into the band. He didn't want it to be an equal partnership. He wanted it all." Skip Spence freaked out on tainted acid and drugs plagued other members too.
I heard Moby Grape at the Fillmore Auditorium in 1968. They ran through 15 or more songs in an hour! That was a little too "professional" for the Fillmore crowd, who preferred long songs that you could ride on (especially when stoned). Maybe that's why they didn't get as big as Airplane, Dead, Big Brother or even Quicksilver. But their first album is still a monster!
I worked with Alex Skip Spence in the early 70's. He was a great innovator and undeniably the shining star of the Grape. Also: Jerry Garcia's favorite group was Moby Grape.
Seeing them without Skip,they were listless and uninteresting. Sometimes it's not how well a man may play his instrument, but his chemistry that drives the crew and wakes them up. Bob is a great bassist and Peter was very accomplished at that time. Probably all the lessons that Loretta Young (his mother) paid for.Many times in my career has a musician's energy been what made the group a " a shining star".
Good God! These guys, "The Moby Grapes" are smoking! Whoever engineered the mics plain sucked. You can hear everyone is singing on key and singing and playing their hearts out. I am grateful Grape, especially Bob Mosley, is captured for all posterity.
further...the show was owned by Westinghouse Broadcasting who owned, at that point, KYW-TV in Cleveland. The show started here. At some point, they traded stations and the station (along with the show) wound up moving to Philadelphia. It eventually wound up in L.A.
But the show, and the station, both started in Cleveland. The NBC station in Cleveland is now known as WKYC-TV 3.
wow, they really let 'em play for a long time. I bet Mike and the broad were quaffing back gin highballs a'plenty to steady there nerves while the moby grapes were creating all that noise.
The "guy" that premiumgas69 is referring to is Jerry Miller who is a great guitarist.......mixed jazz with blues and rock. AND Moby Grape was a great band live.......saw them in 68 at the FIllmore.
I agree with you, Jerry Miller is a great guitarist- few American guitarists that I know of (I am 54) had his chops or legato back at that time, including guys like Mike Bloomfield, John Cippoolina etc. I would really like to meet him sometime.
@kinsella46 Jerry Miller is also working on a country-influenced album. You can watch him on YT playing some killer guitar with his country band, the Remington Riders. He posted one a few days ago called "I Just Don't Love You Right" and you can search for it on this (bulbheadmyass) channel to watch it.
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shit you old nigga!!!..get your prostate checked motherfucker...that thing in your shorts must be flying at half mast...moby grape's skip was a loon..thought he was and acted like a fucking rock star..too bad he couldnt write hits songs...he's dead and soon u will be too...i'll throw a party..by the way...did u pick up any chicks at that concert? did u get laid" if not..you did nothing...
Mike was Mike but he did have them on his show which is why thanks to he who posted this we get to see this today & he let them play live. Gotta llike that,
Meh, Mike made a boo boo. He still introduced a ton of great talent to a lot of people (like my parents) who would have never tried to understand what I was into otherwise. The guy was pretty cool imho.
Poor Skip Spence. He wandered the streets of San Jose California, talking to himself, unrecognizable, until he died about 10 years ago. He was half crazy even here. But then again, being on the Mike Douglas Show would've made almost anybody crazy!
Ceux-là étaient les jours mon ami. La musique ne sera jamais le même. I remember visiting Montreal when I was younger (gives you a clue about my age again, that & my admiration for Moby Grape's wonderful music) Rue Montaigne & La Moustache (a disco maybe it was called My uncle's mustache or something like that.
I'm a musician whose played with a lot of great people. I've seen everybody live. The Moby Grape were one of the best live rock acts I ever saw. They were phenomenol & I miss them & 8:05 still brings tears to my eyes.
Agreed about 8:05 ! Years ago, I won an LP of hits through Seven-Up that made me discover that song with great voices, great guitar riffs and a beautiful stereo mixdown. Too bad the studio version isn't on Youtube !
Bon soir rigaudien. Comment ca vas? Ma Francais n'est pas tres bien parce que je n'a pas l'opportunite de faire la practique ici dans Dallas Texas.
I loved Moby Grape when I saw them live on a double bill with Buddy Guy back around 1968 probably. The live harmonies were pitch perfect. It's a shame they had a lot of legal problems with their manager who screwed them severely (what else is new) so they split from him, but he owned the name which he would not let them use.
Bonsoir à vous, votre français est quand même très bien ! Bravo ! Nice invention, managers, eh ? When it's not manager screwing, it's a suddenly-appearing big ego in a group that eventually destroys it (here as well, what else's new ?). One thing or the other: TOO BAD FOR SO MANY GOOD GROUPS... Bonsoir du Québec from an Oldies DJ !
I like Moby Grape a lot, at least the 1st album and a few tunes after that. But, I'll take Kaukonen, Casady, Kantner & Slick over these guys. Far more solid albums (4-5), great and original songwriting, plus they were awesome live! Hot Tuna still sound great today. Bless It's Pointed Little Head is better than any live Grape I've heard.
The first Moby Grape album is the greatest debut album in history. We all know what happened after that, blah blah blah .....but no one can take the first album away from them. NO ONE!!!
Going to university at Berkeley, 1966 through 1968, I saw all the SF groups, and scads of others as well. At their all too brief peak- 1966 through mid 1967- these guys could wipe the stage with any of them- Airplane, Dead, Quicksilver, whoever. As great as the rest were, the Grape was truly amazing until they self-destructed. Pity. A great loss, along with the rest of the culture casualties.
only once, at the Carousel Ballroom in '68, just before I left the Bay Area for a few months of freedom in the Wyoming mountains before my sentence, uh, enlistment in the US Navy. Peter Green was one of the two or three best blues guitarists I ever saw- right there with Clapton and Hendrix. It all sounds fictional now. Crazy days, but some good ones.
For those who don't know much about Mike Douglas and have been quick to ridicule him. His show was live, five days a week and he brought an incredible diversity and rather cutting edge music to a very broad audience. While he may not have been sufficiently "cool" he exposed America to some amazing music. When was the last time you saw something like this on network TV?
So very true my friend - I saw this on the mike douglas show when this very episode was on in the 70's.Mike had many unkown bands - known.
The bands nowadays cannot produce this type or this quality music.ahh the memories of childhood 1970's.I saw the newscast when the drummer passed away too within the past decade.Nice comment you made you got my thumbs up on yours - Jim
they were fucking great. my band used to jam with skip occasionally. he'd begun having difficulties, but was always a gentleman and could still wring the hell out of my friend's 335 & old tweed bassman.
My opinion:Arkady63 came down pretty hard on Moby Grape.I have all of their albums-vinyl,of course-and they are superb.That said,I suppose it's possible that,if you were young and stumbled upon this video or another of the Grape's,you might not like them.The sound quality is not good,and the Grape here do seem a bit off the beat and a bit off key at times(esp on 8:05).But this is probably the best that could be done in those days,esp with the lousy monitering systems.I say Grape is Great!
The Moby Grapes.....Douglas was such a dork. But I think it was hip to be square. I just watched one where he introduced "the banana fudge". Too funny
i read an article somewhere that said moby grape was the most well rehearsed band in rock history. i still have my old man's 2-album set "moby grape wow/grape jam." i listened to the "grape jam" bonus album over & over, with Mike Bloomfield guest appearing (though i think he plays keys - not guitar on it). listen 2 that if u wanna hear great raw guitar w/feeling & no studio overdubbing or effects. these guys were talented musicians.
This a fantastic performance. You just have to know how to listen. i.e. 2:02 to 2:28 Fantastic! Sound quality is for diletantes. This is low-fi perfection.
The Grape were fucking awesome, but the Dead are in a different league altogether. I would never go so far as to say they blew the Dead away, different things.
Your right I shouldn't have put them over the Dead (it's blasphemous). Sought of like dissing Dylan. The reason I went there was The Grapes sound ranges from the Byrds to Vannilla Fudge to the blues. That song Mr. Blues sounds like Otis Redding is sing it. The vocalist is just awesome on that song. Its too bad they were not able to stay around for long then maybe I could make a case.
A bluegrass/jug band called the Warlocks heard their buds, MG, practicing a noodling song called "Dark Magic." (That MG would sometimes play for it for an entire set. ;) A short time later, the Warlocks became a noodling band with a new song called "Dark Star" and a new name, the Greatful Dead. In 1966/67, in SF, there was no question as to who/whom was best. -le prune
The bluegrass bands had different names before The Jug Band which was named Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions when Garcia Weir & Pig from The Jug Band went electric adding Bill & Phil they became The Warlocks in 1965
before there was a Moby Grape.Wasn't a Dark Star during Warlock days & when Hunter worte Dark Star years latter Gracia
& band created the music on their own.
Moby Grape was a great band & so was The Dead. In SF everyone I knew didn't have to put one down to dig the other.
prunebreath there were Bluegrass bands Garcia played in with Hunter & David Nelson & others before The Jug Band in 1964, two different things & no MG then.
In 1965 when Warlocks were playing there was no MG, If U were in SF you'd know Skip was playing drums for another local band called The Jefferson Airplane before Moby Grape was formed in 1966.
GD did Dark Star on their own just like MG did their great songs on their own.
Skips Dark Magic Entire set? I Never saw that. When U see it 65?
6749er: I'm just relating what was told to me by those that were there. And yes, I have MY opinion and I will catagorically state here that it (obviously) dose not include YOU. I stick by my allegation that GD got Dark Star from MG's Dark Magic around '65 or early '66. Before there was a MG or GD, most of these hung and played together at a small bar in, I think, Burlingame - staying often with at the bartenders house. I'm as hyperborean as you are, just not as big a jerk about this as you.
peter lewis is on the far right.....skip spence is up above on the left.....jerry millar in the middle front.
gobingobing 7 hours ago
The Moby Grapes - Mike you're too cute.
videomaniac108 1 week ago
sweet
juliano66 1 month ago
Great Band!
AcidDogFullOfShit 1 month ago
Isn't actress Loretta Young's son in this group?
fumetti 1 month ago
@fumetti which one is Loretta Young's son? Thanks
vm24seven365 1 month ago
@vm24seven365 I believe the guitarist on the left.
fumetti 1 month ago
@fumetti His name is Peter Lewis.
fumetti 1 month ago
Such disrespect! Can't even finish their song without being rushed. Cool to see all of them playing together, being recorded. Thanks so much for downloading that.
Sydplayson 2 months ago
Ironically, Moby Grape and Quicksilver were the forerunners of sounds and innovations that were caught by Eagles and Dobbie Brothers. These last two bands sold millions, but Moby Grape and Quicksilver that deserved the credit have not been recognized. Who told life was fair?.
juanunderground 4 months ago
@juanunderground they were recognized......they were all the big players
posthumanhero 1 month ago in playlist Moby Grape - Live and Relatives
Guitarist Jerry Miller of legendary Bay Area act Moby Grape recalls a time when his band died onstage. Read more at The Worst Gig (WorstGig.com).
jsniccu 5 months ago
Too good.
missrevelator 5 months ago
Thanks for posting. Hats off to Mike Douglas for having some cool groups on his show for those years, like the week with John and Yoko.
vacuumtube1954 6 months ago
Now the remaining Grape are performing in dive clubs. Show biz is a bitch.
stargate121 6 months ago
@englishsunset & hugosalarm: Nice discussion. I know all these guys very well and you are absolutly correct; for them, it was ALL about the music - and still is. (Check out the vids. from SXSW on Omar's (One of Skip's sons.) channel. (odogsantacruz))
BTW/FYI: Buffalo Springfield and MGB were very close, back in the "day" - Pete credits BS with working out the 3 guitar tunings - and Neil was _almost_ in MGB, whilst Pete was _almost_ in BS.
prunebreath 6 months ago
The guy who said they were better than the Beatles got it right. Had the Grape gotten a chance to evolve, the people would have realized it, too. Creedence Clearwater? Please. They played the same song over and over, either faster or slower, with different lyrics. Three great songs then a lot of yawning. Bless you, Skip.
hugosalarm 7 months ago
@hugosalarm Mike Douglas was one of a handful of TV people who stuck his neck out to give exposure to groups like this.
englishsunset 6 months ago in playlist Moby Grape
@englishsunset Hey, I was the one guy on the commune who argued that Mike Douglas was far cooler than Geraldo Rivera and was soundly rebuked in a not so "peace and love"-ing way for my efforts. Hippies could be as spiteful and shallow as anyone else. I always thought Moby Grape's boundless talent was wasted on a lot of them, as well.
hugosalarm 6 months ago
@hugosalarm ...Your post was 100 0/0 dead on the money. People are and were the same, no matter what hairstyle they have, car they drive or job they have. Jerks are jerks.
Bands from that era were a dime a dozen and that is why groups like Moby Grape never really got their just recognition. The pool was full and between management and politics many great artists simply didn't get what they should have gotten. However, they did have and still do have their loyal fans.
englishsunset 6 months ago
@englishsunset Thoughtfully expressed. Two or three very fragile personalities and well documented mismanagement doomed this great band. Thanks for calling attention to the loyal fans. That is the essence, the heart to heart and soul to soul stuff that truly is all that matters, both then and all these years on. "Some are bound for happiness, some are bound for glory, some are bound to live with less, who can tell your story." Neil Young, no doubt a friend of fellow Canadian, Skip Spence.
hugosalarm 6 months ago
wow jerry miller was so far ahead of his time it ain't even funny, mike douglas and guests didnt have a clue...
westrokker 7 months ago
"The Moby Grapes!" You've gotta love Mike.
acoustictherapy 7 months ago 2
Moby Grape was Led Zeppilins favorite band. You can hear Jerry Millers guitar influence in there music.
Longie60724 8 months ago
WOW! PSYCHEDELIC AS FU*K!
rjinblack1970 9 months ago
"The Moby Grapes"? Good god Mike Douglas was a dork.
ifutureman 9 months ago
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@ifutureman Not as much as you might believe.
englishsunset 6 months ago in playlist Moby Grape
A perfect example of what can happen when you put faith and trust into someone who swears they know what is best for your career. Moby Grape. Murder in my heart for the judge.
MrTiptoes1 10 months ago
Their various, multi-faceted styles set them way apart from ANY rock band of that era. Overlooked as country/rock pioneers, "Changes Circles Spinning from the album Truly Fine Citizen proves that point!
whocares1694 11 months ago
Great band!!
The 60's were the BEST time for music.
Today's music isn't even close a second.
Now it's about lavish shows and PR; the music is second and the fans are third.
MrWhats999 11 months ago 3
They were fuckin' great, and despite this awkward TV appearance really delivered. One of my favorite bands of all time. Long Live the Grape. And RIP Skippy...love ya' brutha'
HugeGene 1 year ago
wow this is incredible..........where are all the good compositions and musicians these days???
3rdStoneObliterum 1 year ago
what's purple and lives under the sea? MOBY GRAPE!
1960jack 1 year ago
Greatest American Rock band !
psychkoala 1 year ago
Classic! Thanks for posting, The Moby Grapes, That's funny. Mike was THE man back then.
1914z28 1 year ago
Maybe the best rock and roll band in American history.
MicroNuggets 1 year ago 3
@MicroNuggets What about Creedence Clearwater? they were the best RnR band in American history. Too many great songs to list
MacDisel1 10 months ago 2
Lois Hunt said "there all unplugged". Wonder if MTV watched this video? :)
hugatag 1 year ago 7
Their appearance was just before edgier type rock music and the counter culture lifestyle had gotten into mainstream culture. I always enjoy watching how the establishment squares reacted to this. I still enjoy the newer "establishment squares of today react to this also. I do applaud Mike Douglass for getting them on his show though.
starVol 1 year ago
generation gap.... i'm just like that today.
gribbstone234 1 year ago
am I the only one who thinks 8:05 is overrated and that Omaha is a lost classic?
Basie81 1 year ago
@Basie81 Be sure to turn the lights off &lock up when you leave LOL :- )
DaDa2Phlux 1 year ago
Of the 1st song, (1st I've heard it) I kept waiting for a *verse* It does need another part of some kind. "Listen my friend" - to - the sound of revolution?/some decent gtr jamming between vocal lines?. - 8:05 on the other hand is a great song, a lost, underappreciated classic. It gets a pretty good rendition here.
Of 'old school' talk show hosts perhaps only Dick Cavett was more friendly toward 'rock-n-roll', that anti-establishment sound, than M. Douglas. Maybe his producer more than him?
marmas58ink 1 year ago
This shithole tv show didnt deserve the grape.
qsergyuko 1 year ago
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beatleman54 1 year ago
@qsergyuko This shi*hole show reg had John & Yoko on as hosts an co-hosts for weeks at a time. Even Zappa and many more did the show. I don't know your age but, I can't believe anyone who watched M.D. daily back in 69--71 would have the opinion of this being "shit*ole tv. Even if it was a word to be used in this context. RJ
beatleman54 1 year ago
@beatleman54 you nutty old man,see how smart ass the host is being?what a cockhead he is,the show is full of squares man,and the grape were anything but squares,the grape deserved a lot better,fuck mike douglas.
qsergyuko 1 year ago
@beatleman54 Beatleman is correct. Back then days, all the TV shows were "square". MD probably had to go out on a limb to do this. Moby Grape were not exactly a big mainstream act, so besides everything else Mike D had good taste! He wassomeone who grew up in the 40's...rock and long hair were new, and I'm sure the prevailing thought among the straights was that it wouldn't last. But at least he did his part. Rock on TV was few and far between, we were happy for anything we could get.
zhanay 1 month ago
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beatleman54 1 year ago
@qsergyuko Mike Douglas was great.. and had a great show. He had lots of up and coming stars to perform on his show.. that may or may not otherwise had gotten seen or heard. Dick Cavett too!
margovallen 1 year ago
Skip looks soooo mighty fine!
losgrindos 1 year ago
more great footage. the moby grapes? squaresville, daddy-o. in this age of letterman and conan, we forget how stodgy and show-biz the old talk shows were. at least they had bands like the grape on once in a while.
tbzeee 1 year ago
MikeyDee (Yo!) may have been stodgy, daddy-o squaresville (you bring back all the old 'post'-hip hippy vernacular!) but as a (2nd rate) singer he DID know something about music composition. Listening to that 1st song I felt kind of bad for the band -as a comp. it goes nowhere/is nowheresville,man. I don't think there's one moment it moves beyond basic blues chording, etc. - 8:05 OTOH is lovely, 'timeless' - something our kids, and MD's generation could appreciate. And a good ol' hippy classic.
marmas58ink 1 year ago
The Moby GrapeS. FAIL
BlackHoleSun1921 1 year ago
listening to this makes me feel old :(
and am only 27!! lol
TheQueenMalika14 1 year ago
want a great group and great soung.
nsenderoff 1 year ago 2
i loved moby grape..............great to see this again
agyvonne 1 year ago
@worldwarlego7 Yep.Good ol' Skip.You really related to him?I just got his 'Oar' album and I'm liking it very much.
RodCow 1 year ago
I like this.It's similar to 'Neighbour Don't Worry' by Buffalo Springfield.
RodCow 1 year ago
"The Moby Grapes".. That is funny! Love this song. Actually performed LIVE. Cool.
ajahndallas 1 year ago
No substitute for The Grape! Great post!!
frazzittasong 1 year ago
Song starts at 0:48
robertlaberge 1 year ago 2
Chilluns might not know, but Mike Douglas was one cool cat. He had The Grape on his show for heaven's sake! (Love that background light show!) Anyway, the boys were in fine form. Many thanks for posting this...!
splendidcurves 1 year ago 2
That was effin rad.
dixonkirsten 1 year ago
"The Moby Grapes?" Pretty good sound for '60's TV. Jerry Miller removed the pick up covers from his L5. He got better tone than most - I heard he preferred a tweed 4x10 Bassman.
BillCBurgess 1 year ago
great band turned a lot of friends on to them back in the day.Too bad they didn't get too far.I like the L.P. Moby Grape 69 the best
Rus818 1 year ago
Thanks for the heads up.
kinsella46 1 year ago
@tkeela625 He was a good guy, though. Not nasty or condescending. Give him his due.
peterzang 1 year ago
Great band...too bad they couldn't last. Skip Spence, the first Keith Moon: Unhinged, hard not to watch, built for self destruction. RIP, Skip and band.
drsloan 1 year ago
Pure unadulterated talent and not I'm talking about Mikey either !
pmoyer50 1 year ago
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The Mobey Grapes? What a penis. Moby Grape = Dick Juice. Moby Dick & Grape Juice.
TheForkliftsOfNair 1 year ago
What the hell are you talking about?
willruddock 1 year ago
Plato said that if you want to really change a society you change their music. The baby boomers certainly did change music and just as Plato predicted an avalanche of social change followed. I was 16 years old in 1969. Fortunately i lived through those times i wouldn't trade them for all the tea in China.
It was one hell of a great time to be alive and coming of age.
tom6612 1 year ago
Look for a LIVE Album of Moby Grape material recorded in the 60s being released in April 2010 by SUNDAZED
specificpacific1 1 year ago 8
fantastic...thanks for uploading this! Should have been one of the biggest bands in the world
justinwiggy 2 years ago
that's opera singer Lois Hunt.
She was great. Very active in the 40s and 50s with the Met.
Leave it to Mike Douglas and that era to respect the audience enough to feature such artists as Hunt and Moby Grape on daytime tv.
dahliafully 2 years ago 2
@dahliafully I knew her brother Mike Hunt
Bellyflops2 1 year ago
so are these 2 songs ? is one Omaha ? what is the other one named ? (the 2nd one) ?
talpajam 2 years ago
the second song is 8:05
mcgtr5 2 years ago
oh yea, one other reason is they didnt have Grace Slick.
dripsnotonya 2 years ago
both Miller and Lewis play bluesy styles. two awesome lead guitarists in one band. one of several unique Moby Grape traits. they didn't realize popularity and so-called success as Airplane, Dead, etc. because of lousy management, Matt Katz, former manager of Airplane. As Peter Lewis said "Matthew (Katz) brought the spirit of conflict into the band. He didn't want it to be an equal partnership. He wanted it all." Skip Spence freaked out on tainted acid and drugs plagued other members too.
dripsnotonya 2 years ago
Don't forget The Creams. Another name that was butchered rather frequently by the uninformed. "Mobey Grapes" I love it.
ezakjk 2 years ago
I was there also, BBob. I always liked the fact they played simple melodic songs on their first album.
Archiebell68 2 years ago
I heard Moby Grape at the Fillmore Auditorium in 1968. They ran through 15 or more songs in an hour! That was a little too "professional" for the Fillmore crowd, who preferred long songs that you could ride on (especially when stoned). Maybe that's why they didn't get as big as Airplane, Dead, Big Brother or even Quicksilver. But their first album is still a monster!
BobBerkeley 2 years ago
Did you happen to catch any of the Pink Floyd shows there with Syd Barrett fronting them ?
DylanNotBob 2 years ago
DylanNotBob: Sorry, I never heard Pink Floyd at the Fillmore. OK, I heard Procol Harum there--not quite the same thing.
BobBerkeley 2 years ago
love Jerry Miller's bluesy guitar work, especially smooth on the 2nd track where his style reminds me a bit of Clapton doing I Looked Away.
kntshrm 2 years ago
Jerry Miller isn't playing lead guitar on the second track, though it's nice to know you love the way Peter Lewis plays bluesy guitar -
vampyros1 2 years ago
I worked with Alex Skip Spence in the early 70's. He was a great innovator and undeniably the shining star of the Grape. Also: Jerry Garcia's favorite group was Moby Grape.
rednefceleb1 2 years ago
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posthumanhero 2 years ago
Seeing them without Skip,they were listless and uninteresting. Sometimes it's not how well a man may play his instrument, but his chemistry that drives the crew and wakes them up. Bob is a great bassist and Peter was very accomplished at that time. Probably all the lessons that Loretta Young (his mother) paid for.Many times in my career has a musician's energy been what made the group a " a shining star".
rednefceleb1 2 years ago
Mike Douglas was great, and so was his show. Who cares if he screwed up the name, he had a huge show and he let MG on to perform.
frescobaldi1987 2 years ago
Entirely missed Bob's vocals... awesome nonetheless... Is this the same Mike Douglas the hollywood producer?
keithwolfentertainme 2 years ago
I love these guys. Skippy is rockin' out. Thanks very much for posting.
13loomisst 2 years ago
Good God! These guys, "The Moby Grapes" are smoking! Whoever engineered the mics plain sucked. You can hear everyone is singing on key and singing and playing their hearts out. I am grateful Grape, especially Bob Mosley, is captured for all posterity.
boodang062451 2 years ago
Mike Douglas gives a "far out" introduction to a group with a "far out" name...The Moby Grapes!
I remember them. They were at the same time as the Vanilla Fudges and Jimi Hendrix and the Experiences!
truenorthcompass 2 years ago
Don't forget The Mama and the Papa.
scalabration 2 years ago
thats my dad
julian3366 2 years ago
Show was based in Cleveland and they sometimes even had very cool co-hosts for the week...
one week it was John Lennon & Yoko Ono
ClevelandHost 2 years ago
The show wasn't in Cleveland, it was in Philadelphia.
furtherdefinitions 2 years ago
further...the show was owned by Westinghouse Broadcasting who owned, at that point, KYW-TV in Cleveland. The show started here. At some point, they traded stations and the station (along with the show) wound up moving to Philadelphia. It eventually wound up in L.A.
But the show, and the station, both started in Cleveland. The NBC station in Cleveland is now known as WKYC-TV 3.
ClevelandHost 2 years ago
wow, they really let 'em play for a long time. I bet Mike and the broad were quaffing back gin highballs a'plenty to steady there nerves while the moby grapes were creating all that noise.
squinkque 2 years ago
wtf
Damnedsoul53 2 years ago
very weak vocal performance, say what you will, instrumentally it sounds great
thepossessor 2 years ago
ALBUM FAMOSO EN 1967
jorgealbertobaron 2 years ago
Oh brother, Mike, why be so UNCOOL ? THE Moby GRAPES he says.... WHATEVER. anyway, they sound great, as usual. Love this band, STILL>
moonchildiva 2 years ago
The Guitar player here Skip Spence was the drummer for the Jefferson Airplane on their first album
hugatag 2 years ago 4
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psychedelic music is bad for you my friend... go listen to some decent music.
eldorado303 2 years ago
moby gape.
blatspanner 2 years ago
my friend, my frien my friend............ jajaja, deep lirycs
bochochino 2 years ago
Them's gospel lyrics... not literary... visceral.
fauxtoehead 2 years ago
The "guy" that premiumgas69 is referring to is Jerry Miller who is a great guitarist.......mixed jazz with blues and rock. AND Moby Grape was a great band live.......saw them in 68 at the FIllmore.
sierratrekker1000 2 years ago 2
Sierratrekker,
I agree with you, Jerry Miller is a great guitarist- few American guitarists that I know of (I am 54) had his chops or legato back at that time, including guys like Mike Bloomfield, John Cippoolina etc. I would really like to meet him sometime.
Hiwatt100W1 2 years ago
Sierratrekker,Jerry Miller is still playing in the Northwest/Seattle area quite often
kinsella46 2 years ago
@kinsella46 Jerry Miller is also working on a country-influenced album. You can watch him on YT playing some killer guitar with his country band, the Remington Riders. He posted one a few days ago called "I Just Don't Love You Right" and you can search for it on this (bulbheadmyass) channel to watch it.
bulbheadmyass 1 year ago
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shit you old nigga!!!..get your prostate checked motherfucker...that thing in your shorts must be flying at half mast...moby grape's skip was a loon..thought he was and acted like a fucking rock star..too bad he couldnt write hits songs...he's dead and soon u will be too...i'll throw a party..by the way...did u pick up any chicks at that concert? did u get laid" if not..you did nothing...
FOXdevelopmentSux 2 years ago
The Moby Grapes ha!ha! what a hack!
ryantunks 2 years ago
Mike was Mike but he did have them on his show which is why thanks to he who posted this we get to see this today & he let them play live. Gotta llike that,
6749er 2 years ago 8
The guy playing lead has stunning tone for a tv show in the 60's
premiumgas69 2 years ago
go skip spence go!
cacacaz 2 years ago
better know as the moldy grapes
ryanheart12 2 years ago
"omaha" one of the great rockers ever; the cut before, "come in the morning" deserves a posthere
harmonichebe 2 years ago
GREAT POST!!!! Thank You!!!!! The Grape Are So Under Appreciated. True Muscians!!!!!
sdgullsfan 2 years ago 2
mushrooms, anyone ?
swamphollow1 2 years ago
Yes, another band, much like Love, that is pretty much forgotten today. I have never in my life heard any Moby Grape on the radio.
witchman67 2 years ago
Wow, there's Skippy...looking like he's functioning OK...awesome! Thanks for posting this...priceless!
potaluca 2 years ago
Best stuff since Love
May Skip and the boys live forever
go Mike - for us of the youth, I kneel.
ArgusTasmania 2 years ago
Meh, Mike made a boo boo. He still introduced a ton of great talent to a lot of people (like my parents) who would have never tried to understand what I was into otherwise. The guy was pretty cool imho.
Flap999 2 years ago
Everyone has to know that Mike did not make a boo boo, his producer did. Mike read of Que cards.
hugatag 2 years ago 2
The Moby Grapes ??? LOL... Too hip Mike...
edweirdo 2 years ago 2
HA HA!
Caligula138 2 years ago
Poor Skip Spence. He wandered the streets of San Jose California, talking to himself, unrecognizable, until he died about 10 years ago. He was half crazy even here. But then again, being on the Mike Douglas Show would've made almost anybody crazy!
CubanCheGuevara 2 years ago
Yea, genius boarders on insanity. sad.
hugatag 2 years ago
Let's you know just how rigid the square hole was these round and groovy folks were trying to fit into on TV in the late 60's!
Soundman67 2 years ago
Ceux-là étaient les jours mon ami. La musique ne sera jamais le même. I remember visiting Montreal when I was younger (gives you a clue about my age again, that & my admiration for Moby Grape's wonderful music) Rue Montaigne & La Moustache (a disco maybe it was called My uncle's mustache or something like that.
Donc long de « profond dans le coeur de Texas ».
stevespelling 2 years ago
I'm a musician whose played with a lot of great people. I've seen everybody live. The Moby Grape were one of the best live rock acts I ever saw. They were phenomenol & I miss them & 8:05 still brings tears to my eyes.
stevespelling 2 years ago 3
Agreed about 8:05 ! Years ago, I won an LP of hits through Seven-Up that made me discover that song with great voices, great guitar riffs and a beautiful stereo mixdown. Too bad the studio version isn't on Youtube !
rigaudien 2 years ago
Bon soir rigaudien. Comment ca vas? Ma Francais n'est pas tres bien parce que je n'a pas l'opportunite de faire la practique ici dans Dallas Texas.
I loved Moby Grape when I saw them live on a double bill with Buddy Guy back around 1968 probably. The live harmonies were pitch perfect. It's a shame they had a lot of legal problems with their manager who screwed them severely (what else is new) so they split from him, but he owned the name which he would not let them use.
stevespelling 2 years ago
Bonsoir à vous, votre français est quand même très bien ! Bravo ! Nice invention, managers, eh ? When it's not manager screwing, it's a suddenly-appearing big ego in a group that eventually destroys it (here as well, what else's new ?). One thing or the other: TOO BAD FOR SO MANY GOOD GROUPS... Bonsoir du Québec from an Oldies DJ !
rigaudien 2 years ago
I was listening to the Buffalo Springfield this morning and I think the Grape were just as talented. Just my opine.
ortleyman 2 years ago 2
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6749er 2 years ago
5:44 gives us the best Skip Spence moment ever!!!!!
fperdomo 2 years ago
Haha, Skip was a real character! It's a shame life didn't treat him too well.. may his beautiful soul rest in peace
rrrasmus 2 years ago 2
I saw Peter Green and Moby Grape Twice, Hendrix once, Cream and Blindfaith once...
Dose were da days!
leflaw 2 years ago 2
[clap][clap] uh..er....
GoodSmellingStink 2 years ago
There will never be, as far as I am personally concerned, a better band than the pre-Skip Spence breakdown Moby Grape. Flawless in every way.
OneArmedScissor33 2 years ago
I like Moby Grape a lot, at least the 1st album and a few tunes after that. But, I'll take Kaukonen, Casady, Kantner & Slick over these guys. Far more solid albums (4-5), great and original songwriting, plus they were awesome live! Hot Tuna still sound great today. Bless It's Pointed Little Head is better than any live Grape I've heard.
exile103 2 years ago
The first Moby Grape album is the greatest debut album in history. We all know what happened after that, blah blah blah .....but no one can take the first album away from them. NO ONE!!!
jkoff76 3 years ago
Going to university at Berkeley, 1966 through 1968, I saw all the SF groups, and scads of others as well. At their all too brief peak- 1966 through mid 1967- these guys could wipe the stage with any of them- Airplane, Dead, Quicksilver, whoever. As great as the rest were, the Grape was truly amazing until they self-destructed. Pity. A great loss, along with the rest of the culture casualties.
slownoman 3 years ago
slowman, did you get a chance to see peter greens fleetwood mac?
masterfurniture 2 years ago
only once, at the Carousel Ballroom in '68, just before I left the Bay Area for a few months of freedom in the Wyoming mountains before my sentence, uh, enlistment in the US Navy. Peter Green was one of the two or three best blues guitarists I ever saw- right there with Clapton and Hendrix. It all sounds fictional now. Crazy days, but some good ones.
slownoman 2 years ago
smoke dope and burn rope. a long time ago....
wq54 3 years ago
Got a chance to meet Peter Lewis over the holidays (2008/09) very cool guy.
This is a great vid, there is also a "Grape" vid of "It's A Beautiful Day" that is on here that is awesome, if anyone hasn't found it yet.
cleawox 3 years ago
That was great. Great set from a Great Band with one of the saddest stories ever.
They go in the Hard Luck category with Love, and Badfinger. What a shame.
pitbullexpress 3 years ago 2
For those who don't know much about Mike Douglas and have been quick to ridicule him. His show was live, five days a week and he brought an incredible diversity and rather cutting edge music to a very broad audience. While he may not have been sufficiently "cool" he exposed America to some amazing music. When was the last time you saw something like this on network TV?
Peace and ... MIke .. RIP! Thanks!
Stephen
frastephen 3 years ago 2
So very true my friend - I saw this on the mike douglas show when this very episode was on in the 70's.Mike had many unkown bands - known.
The bands nowadays cannot produce this type or this quality music.ahh the memories of childhood 1970's.I saw the newscast when the drummer passed away too within the past decade.Nice comment you made you got my thumbs up on yours - Jim
jhatchjr11466 2 years ago
THANK YOU!
hugatag 2 years ago
Mike Douglas is far out--not
metrodash 3 years ago
the moby grapes mike douglas was such a twit
phildirt3 3 years ago
Blame it on Mikes producer. He reads off cue cards you ass!
hugatag 3 years ago 2
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Fucking psychedelic effects ruined the whole video! Still important video, for there are not too many footages of Moby Grape performing live!
Thomaspwgy 3 years ago
they were fucking great. my band used to jam with skip occasionally. he'd begun having difficulties, but was always a gentleman and could still wring the hell out of my friend's 335 & old tweed bassman.
grserm 3 years ago
My opinion:Arkady63 came down pretty hard on Moby Grape.I have all of their albums-vinyl,of course-and they are superb.That said,I suppose it's possible that,if you were young and stumbled upon this video or another of the Grape's,you might not like them.The sound quality is not good,and the Grape here do seem a bit off the beat and a bit off key at times(esp on 8:05).But this is probably the best that could be done in those days,esp with the lousy monitering systems.I say Grape is Great!
mudhens4ever 3 years ago
The Moby Grapes.....Douglas was such a dork. But I think it was hip to be square. I just watched one where he introduced "the banana fudge". Too funny
zdrumdude 3 years ago
i read an article somewhere that said moby grape was the most well rehearsed band in rock history. i still have my old man's 2-album set "moby grape wow/grape jam." i listened to the "grape jam" bonus album over & over, with Mike Bloomfield guest appearing (though i think he plays keys - not guitar on it). listen 2 that if u wanna hear great raw guitar w/feeling & no studio overdubbing or effects. these guys were talented musicians.
FlowtnWitWalden 3 years ago
What lovely bass playing by Bob on "8:05" -- wish Skip had gotten closer to his mike, but he sure is fun to watch.
paulscottstanfield 3 years ago
This a fantastic performance. You just have to know how to listen. i.e. 2:02 to 2:28 Fantastic! Sound quality is for diletantes. This is low-fi perfection.
fauxtoehead 3 years ago 2
Arkady63, quit trying to suck your own dick and go whack off to John Mayer videos.
skimballc 3 years ago
Love The Grape. Skip Spence was the shit. This band blew the Airplane and the Dead away in my book. Anyone tend to agree.
ortleyman 3 years ago 2
The Grape were fucking awesome, but the Dead are in a different league altogether. I would never go so far as to say they blew the Dead away, different things.
kingcrimson1973 3 years ago 2
Your right I shouldn't have put them over the Dead (it's blasphemous). Sought of like dissing Dylan. The reason I went there was The Grapes sound ranges from the Byrds to Vannilla Fudge to the blues. That song Mr. Blues sounds like Otis Redding is sing it. The vocalist is just awesome on that song. Its too bad they were not able to stay around for long then maybe I could make a case.
ortleyman 3 years ago
A bluegrass/jug band called the Warlocks heard their buds, MG, practicing a noodling song called "Dark Magic." (That MG would sometimes play for it for an entire set. ;) A short time later, the Warlocks became a noodling band with a new song called "Dark Star" and a new name, the Greatful Dead. In 1966/67, in SF, there was no question as to who/whom was best. -le prune
prunebreath 3 years ago
The bluegrass bands had different names before The Jug Band which was named Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions when Garcia Weir & Pig from The Jug Band went electric adding Bill & Phil they became The Warlocks in 1965
before there was a Moby Grape.Wasn't a Dark Star during Warlock days & when Hunter worte Dark Star years latter Gracia
& band created the music on their own.
Moby Grape was a great band & so was The Dead. In SF everyone I knew didn't have to put one down to dig the other.
6749er 2 years ago
prunebreath you can have your personal opinion what band you liked best
but don't put me & a whole lot of of SF who dug both bands in your box.
Reading your inaccuracies makes me think you either weren't in SF at the time
or you weren't paying attention. A teenager with a computer can tell you about your false statements that I knew from the time. We also didn't say
"nooding band" another box that doesn't fit like "Acid Rock" Grape & Dead had their own magic & whole lot of SF dug both.
6749er 2 years ago
prunebreath there were Bluegrass bands Garcia played in with Hunter & David Nelson & others before The Jug Band in 1964, two different things & no MG then.
In 1965 when Warlocks were playing there was no MG, If U were in SF you'd know Skip was playing drums for another local band called The Jefferson Airplane before Moby Grape was formed in 1966.
GD did Dark Star on their own just like MG did their great songs on their own.
Skips Dark Magic Entire set? I Never saw that. When U see it 65?
6749er 2 years ago
6749er: I'm just relating what was told to me by those that were there. And yes, I have MY opinion and I will catagorically state here that it (obviously) dose not include YOU. I stick by my allegation that GD got Dark Star from MG's Dark Magic around '65 or early '66. Before there was a MG or GD, most of these hung and played together at a small bar in, I think, Burlingame - staying often with at the bartenders house. I'm as hyperborean as you are, just not as big a jerk about this as you.
prunebreath 2 years ago