Thank you for giving me some philosophical tools to counter arguments. My religious studies teacher made an argument to along the lines of we have good will because of God. I now know how to counter this argument - even though it is no use now ;) thanks anyway :)
Hi, I'm Rachel and I like the way you think about things, you also explain it very good. I myself am not so good at mathematics etc, well, I get it, but I work very very slowXD what do you advise? Thanks!
To be honest Stephen, you have taught me more than my science teachers. My science teachers only tell me facts, not how to find them. They teach the scientific method, but with less detail than you have. Thank you.
........Islamic holy war: I am not a muslim and only defending christianity
The crusaders: we both know; when the king of the East Byzantines( I don` know the english word) was getting too strong to the king of the West Byzantines, he decided to prepare for a ``holy``war, to reduce the economic developement of Easter Byzanties
Inquisition: Religion is NOT church. The churched was just abused for the sake of money and power
witch trials; The bible wasn`t known by all. They didn`t know it better..
@NanCulir All of these arose because of Christianity's influence in society. Without Christianity, they wouldn't happen. Islam is Christianity + Mohammad and some more miracles, btw. They completely ripped off the Bible because they were jealous they didn't have any holy crap of their own.
This is the greatest thing ive learned on a very long time, When i play games like Heroes of newerth, People get very mad when your doing a small small error. Whith those methods i can easily make them stop whining at me, Cause i really aint a good player hehe. Still i got the right to play like anyone else. But lets say i let an enemy get a away and i could have got him, Then the whole team gets really mad at me, That is using one of the failures in logic - hasty/sweeping generalization.Right?
I think that you a great youtuber, with a lot of knowlegde, but since I am a christian ( Hopefully not alone) I dont like it the way you speak about religions. Your conclusions are mostly that religion is wrong. But it sounds really interesting. Did you once listen to some God-Debates?
@NanCulir I'm not trying to offend anyone, but your religion isn't immune from these principles. Religion IS wrong and immoral, so I will continue to teach people why that is the case. I have watched many religious debates, but strangely never seen a theist win.
Look, a lot of people believe in a God. But like you said, something is not true because the majority believs in it. But these 85% are not stupid, maybe they are not right, BUT they are not stupid. They thought about their believs. It`s not like, that is ``Logic``that religion is wrong as it is so with atheism.
@NanCulir I didn't say they are stupid, but they have no good reason for their beliefs, so they aren't exercising intelligence in this way. Logic can totally be applied to religion and in every single case, religion fails to withstand logic. There just aren't any good reasons to believe anything you can't prove!
@scjoiner Why do you know, hat they have no good reasons. Did you ask them? You just think you know all the arguments, and to you they are not good enough to bring you to believe in a god.
@NanCulir I have heard thousands and thousands of reasons and seen all of them refuted. I'm saying that no person alive has ever presented a logical argument that has withstood any measure of proof. Sorry, but that's just the truth. If you think you have some good reason, check out ironchariots . org and look it up. I'm guessing you will find a succinct refutation.
@scjoiner I think you are an ignorant!!! As I am one!!! You are saying it`s Logic, that religion is false. I say it`s right. Religion has got some good arguments; for example the moral argument. No wait; I also know, that atheism has got some good arguments( suffering). Anyway I think we both should be a little more tolerant.
Greetings NanCulir
PS; I really appreciate that you are arguing with an ordinary subsriber
@NanCulir Listen dude, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. I appreciate the feedback, but you are completely lying to yourself. Religion is NOT moral and we don't need it to be moral. Can you name anything moral that you can do that I can't as an atheist? I can name some wicked things you could do that I can't, though. I can't disprove your religion, but I know that you can't prove it, which is your job (burden of proof). How does Atheism breed suffering? Look at Islam...
@scjoiner If there is a god, why shouldn`t he give morality to you or any other atheist. I didn`t say you are not moral and maybe I have to express a little other: morality comes from (a) GOD. What wicked things??? And Religion is a belief. It is not based based on logic. God is not compatible with this universe. With suffering I mean, that Religion has not got any good explenation for animal suffering.
@NanCulir Alright, once again you are being ignorant so I'll try to help you. You need to demonstrate that God gave morality or else you have no argument. I can demonstrate that morality is a human construct and we don't need God to be moral.
Religion has done more wicked things than any other possible institution. The Islamic holy wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Witch Trials, the Holocaust, and so many more.
We have fully natural explanations and no need for God anywhere.
@scjoiner I can`t prove it, but there are some good indications. Already in the bible in the 10 commandments you can find the basics. Now you will say that the bible is written by some fanatic people. But why should someone write something like that( love your enemey et ceterum), if it doesn`t help himself. Atheism claims that everyone does things like this for his one purpose. You are right, you don` need to believe in GOD or even know him to be moral. Let` move on to the wicked stuff.........
@NanCulir Are you kidding? You think the 10 commandments was the first moral law written? Look up Hammurabi's Code. The Bible completely plagiarized existing laws. Not to mention that the 10 commandments themselves are bullshit - maybe half are actually moral values. By the way, there are actually 613 commandments, but Christians reject all but 10 of them. Read your Bible.
Atheism is not about helping yourself because Atheism isn't a religion or moral code. Check your facts already.
@NanCulir It's not a summary - it's a cherry picked list. God also EXPLICITLY COMMANDS the death of gays, men who cheat, disobedient children, eating shellfish, and working on the Sabbath. These are just a few of the 613. You have no reason to accept 10 and not the others if God COMMANDED you to.
@scjoiner 1. Please tell me the exact verse 2. It just says beeing gay is not natural( not good) -The Jews interpreted, that they should kill this people- READ IN CONTEXT
@NanCulir The verse for what? Stoning children: Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Working on the sabbath: Exodus 31:15. All 613 laws: en .wikipedia. org/wiki/613_Mitzvot
@scjoiner READ IN CONTEXT. This is just ridiculous; Here comes an other argument: You have to read the bible in context: The basic claim of the bible is, that a god, who first only loves Jews, turns into a universal God. You can`t take word by word. Anyway, this is just to present an extreme and is only ment for the people who really are not willig to change their lives. I dont like stoning; Maybe God would ``stone`` this man. ToExodus 31:15. I ve got a special impression:
...... In my german translation it says....``Wer an diesem Tag arbeitet, muss sterben``=Everyone who works on this day must day. It doesnt say, that man has to kill these people
@NanCulir How is that any different? People who break the 613 commandments must die either way. For some reason, people only care about the 10 and ignore the others because they want to. It's all arbitrary.
@scjoiner God`s judging is absolutly faire. The problem is only, that you and me, we both are not perfect, and we dont know the hole plan, that God has made for us, so we will never understand his judging on this earth
@NanCulir That's a pretty bad excuse. You have already shown me that you are more moral than God because you think stoning is bad. Stoning IS bad, so no moral person would do it.
Either way, you still haven't demonstrated your god exists and actually is capable of judging. There is still no good reason to believe this, only bad ones!
@NanCulir No, you can't defend it... it can't be defended. There is no reason to believe, therefore it shouldn't be believed. Do you care about believing things which are true? If so, you need to examine your religion. ww w. iron chariots . o rg.
@scjoiner@scjoiner God`s judging is absolutly faire. The problem is only, that you and me, we both are not perfect, and we dont know the hole plan, that God has made for us, so we will never understand his judging on this earth
@NanCulir The context makes this even more ridiculous. If you can't take what it says literally (which most people don't), then you have to decide what is true and what isn't... and people don't agree here. The point is that there is NO good reason to believe this book because it is very inaccurate and contradicts both itself and what we know through science (the world is 4.5 billion years old, not 6000).
@scjoiner I can`t prove it, but there are some good indications. Already in the bible in the 10 commandments you can find the basics. Now you will say that the bible is written by some fanatic people. But why should someone write something like that( love your enemey et ceterum), if it doesn`t help himself. Atheism claims that everyone does things like this for his one purpose. You are right, you don` need to believe in GOD or even know him to be moral. Let` move on to the wicked stuff.........
@scjoiner@scjoiner I think you are an ignorant!!! As I am one!!! You are saying it`s Logic, that religion is false. I say it`s right. Religion has got some good arguments; for example the moral argument. No wait; I also know, that atheism has got some good arguments( suffering). Anyway I think we both should be a little more tolerant.
Greetings NanCulir
PS; I really appreciate that you are arguing with an ordinary subsriber
@scjoiner I think you are an ignorant!!! As I am one!!! You are saying it`s Logic, that religion is false. I say it`s right. Religion has got some good arguments; for example the moral argument. No wait; I also know, that atheism has got some good arguments( suffering). Anyway I think we both should be a little more tolerant.
Greetings NanCulir
PS; I really appreciate that you are arguing with an ordinary subsriber
@scjoiner Why do you know, hat they have no good reasons. Did you ask them? You just think you know all the arguments, and to you they are not good enough to bring you to believe in a god. And why do you know that logic right? It`s not logic that logic is right
@scjoiner Why do you know, hat they have no good reasons. Did you ask them? You just think you know all the arguments, and to you they are not good enough to bring you to believe in a god. And why do you know that logic right? It`s not logic that logic is right
@scjoiner Evidence is concrete, yet interpretation of evidence is subjective. An evolutionist may use homologous anatomy in mammals as proof for common ancestry, yet a theist may use it as evidence for a common designer. Anywhere you look in nature there is evidence for a higher power, such as the structural complexity of DNA (double-helix in your videos :D) and even the unique shape of a snowflake (it's winter here in NZ). But the very same evidence could be interpreted as proof for Darwinism
@hazetubist In one example, you have an explanation. In the other, you have a lack thereof. Claiming a god "did it" simply begs the question "where does this god come from?" In science, we may not understand EVERYTHING, but the answers we have are explanatory and only invoke questions regarding specifics. Bringing a deity into the picture explains NOTHING as all of the explanation is contingent on another overarching question relating to the existence of said deity.
@scjoiner Yet the same can be said for any other explanation regarding the origin of species. A theist could ask the same question on how the Big Bang or the Higgs-Boson Particle came into being, for example. As you said, we can't understand everything through science; sometimes we just have to "believe" and accept the existence the unexplainable.
@hazetubist Scientists don't pretend to understand those, however we do have a good idea. It relates to Alpha Particles and other subatomics which can blink in and out of existence. It is possible to get "something from nothing", in other words. Lawrence Krauss did a brilliant series on it. Either way, you are believing something for which we have evidence (Big Bang is totally proven from the evidence) or something with 0 evidence (creationism).
@scjoiner Man, I wish I cared about physics enough to learn about those Alpha particles you were talking about; It sounds fascinating, but I haven't the time to start wrapping my skull around something like that.
I am loving this series by the way; I have stopped bothering to argue with people on the net because of the rampant, uncaring abuse of all of the logical fallacies you spoke about, but it's always nice to be up on the proper naming conventions for when I run into street preachers. :D
@hazetubist In your example, you draw parallels between something that is mysterious (or unexplainable) because it is based solely on the individuals interpretation of whichever religious text (which, in general, have a reputation for being dubiously bad at consistency within themselves) they were raised to believe in, and a concept that is considered to be mysterious due to its innate complexity. eg. Most creationists seem to have a flawed understanding of evolution etc.
@hazetubist And to be clear, I wasn't attacking the religious texts using an ad hominem (hehe :D) ie "The Bible has many plot holes, therefore it is BS", I was actually just making the point that the fact that it has so many contradictions would 1) Make it difficult for someone to attain any useful 'facts' about a given topic (God makes 2 people who have 2 sons. 1 son is killed and the other leaves the parents and finds a wife) and 2) Gives reason to doubt that a flawed work is divinely inspired
Let's assume god exists but he doesn't help us or do anything (seems to be the case if he exists) then technically, he doesn't exist.
Let's say trees can grow as if they had just fallen on the side.
Somewhere deep in a rainforest, a tree falls, nothing in the universe was effected, technically, the tree grew on the side and fell or just never fell.
@kaa3164 True enough. It's a good point, but won't convince anyone because many think he actually does intervene. I'd LOVE to see proof of it, though!
Okay Studying makes one smarter if one tries therefore smart people have studied a lot. Wrong, Smart people may not have studied therefore it's wrong. Studying does not mean an action to learn therefore a smart person can and can not have studied when he/she was younger. The word study means to observe an event/action/reaction/other objectal data under a certain time whether it is just a tiny second to hundreds of years. Therefore studying can help oneself become smarter. oh I like logic.
Also the begging the question argument is called "Circle argumentation" in dutch. Just a useless fact, but it might help people understand it even better.
I actually learned this at school already xD in my native language class. We had to learn to indentify good arguments from bad and to indentify what kind of argument it was.
You are very anti-religious. I like the videos, but I think you should be more open-minded towards other perspectives. Believing in a higher power can also be a valid interpretation of evidence; sometimes it's necessary to question and examine our own ideas. To be able to look at the world from another perspective and understand others, I believe, is true "smartness".
@hazetubist Sure I agree the second you make a logical proof of god and a mathematical proof of god and a Dna test showing that something is god and last but not least show to me where exactly god is right now with a picture of God. Then we can talk I can help a bit by saying that there is a logical proof of god or everything that logic alone can not prove. A mathematical proof would be hard because Math can not bend to laws other than the laws of math. Oh the other two proofs are impossible.
@hazetubist I am very open-minded. I change my opinion on things thousands of times before I settle on the truth. A higher power is NEVER a valid interpretation of evidence until you can tell me where the higher power came from. I can look through any perspective (and I was devoutly religious for 14 years), but there is no truth to be found in religion, only more questions.
5:12 Come on dude, you're a sexy beast, so that argument was flawed from the get-go =p
Great video mate =) would have been really useful at the start of the year. I'm doing honours in psychology at the moment and we had to cover all of this in Professional and Conceptual Issues.
*gives Stephen a thumbs up with the hide annotation button!* You earned it =D
if you do anything on the scientific method, please remember to credit the first person who started it. :) an unsung hero in the scientific community: ibn haytham.
I'm fairly accustomed to these fallacies. Just avoid arguing with people that aggressively and distastefully shoot down your arguments while claiming theirs to be true. Because once you've proven your point, their tirade and ego prevents them from acknowledging your sound logic. In other words, no one likes walking with their tails between their legs. This is one of the reasons why I almost give up talking with people generally.
These videos are great so far and really demonstrate the important skills people should have to be "intelligent". I hope to see a video on controversy next because of the similarity of the topic to these first two videos on skepticism and logic. I know it's basically what you are explaining here, but I believe it is something that can be expanded on in more detail for people to understand better a very commonly occurring example of skepticism and using logic in the real world.
@Cupofmilk85 I'm gonna have to point out a logical fallacy in your argument there. Eating a lot of lettuce and other high-fiber foods should in theory do the same thing, since we cannot digest cellulose (which is the main component of these things and is what we typically call "fiber"). I believe you might be more likely to suffer damage to your digestive system (acid reflux) from the higher acid content in grapes compared to other foods (although you'd still probably be okay).
@YamahaBoyTTR230 You aren't biased, you are thinking logically. It doesn't mean they are stupid, it means they don't use our intellectual tools in order to make decisions. That's a great recipe for being wrong.
So Stephen, you said that we didn't get to the moon on accident. Do you believe that we got to the moon because some authority figure (NASA and the US government) told us that we did?
@cookingfat1 I believe it based on the videos and the rocks we brought back. If you want to prove we didn't, then you need to prove the conspiracy. My standard of evidence is high enough that I don't just take their word for it.
If someone only eats grapes and nothing else, wouldn't they die from malnutrition since they aren't consuming a varried diet? So technically it'd be true right? Sure you may not die right away, but you'd most likely die sooner if you only ate grapes, than someone who has a well balanced and nutrional diet, right?
@strkszone Yes, but there is still a fallacy. Even if your conclusion is true, it's not true based on the evidence, it's true based on OTHER evidence that wasn't used.
@scjoiner I was sort of just summing it up into a comment though ;D I didn't wanna gather all the proof and write it all down in a slew of words that would only get people to read my comment half way hehe :P Just a generalization I suppose, it was more or less in response to the annotation you put, saying you didn't mean to imply only eating grapes would cause death.
@vanquish349 Hexidecimal is base 16. FF = 256 in base 10.
A-F stand for the numbers 10-16. In our decimal system a the number 7 = 7*1. The number 70 = 7*10. In hex 7 = 7*1 and 70 = 7*16. The place to the right of a number is worth 16* the number before it.
I like this series, you're putting stuff out there that most people don't consider. Lot's of people confuse logic with common sense. Common sense is a poorly used term. In your examples it's "common sense" that the Earth is flat and we see the sun going around it. Common sense is ad populum, it could be right but it needs logic to back it up before it can be validated. There are no absolutes, use your logic to question everything. Saying "it's common sense" does not make it valid.
Just thought of two other fallacies. Example (something I actually heard): "Terraria features construction and deconstruction of blocks, therefore it is a clone minecraft." This is spoken by a devoted Minecraft fan. He is ignoring other facts he would know would disprove him (eg. it's 2d, more adventure-based, numerous other things), however does not agree that Minecraft is a clone of Infiniminer, because "not many people played it". More people played MC, therefore his argument is valid? No.
@GasparXR He is also using his opinion (he likes MC) to support his argument. He said that MC is better anyway to dodge other certainly more valid arguments against him.
@GasparXR I've heard this argument about Terraria as well. You can't state that Terraria is a clone just because it has a feature that is the same as MC. Think of how many games have jumping as an integral feature. Does that mean that they are clones of Donkey Kong? I mean, Mario is in SMB and Donkey Kong and jumps in both games... are they clones? Yep, that guy is try to support opinion with one fact and clearly not enough evidence to back up his or her claim.
I have a really smart friend who disagrees with me on everything, and we always have great debates. It pisses me off so much though, because shes a die-hard stone age Christian and whenever we argue religion, she ALWAYS starts to use every single logical fallacy you talked about!! It's horrible. Like, she's so brainwashed and indoctrinated that she can't talk about it without releasing her grip on logic and reality. I need to show her this video.
@user1maximus I hear you man! It's so stupid, religion is like the plauge man! It infects and twists people's perceptions on reality. Those who still grasp their perceptions of reality who claim to follow a religion are complete HYPOCRITES!
@strkszone Do I detect an ad hominem fallacy? At the very least, it seems an ad hominem attack. Shame shame! ... and after watching Stephen's video on that too! ;)
@chemdork123 It isn't an ad hominem fallacy because I'm not attacking the individual directly, I'm expressing how upsetting it is (which is just my personal opinion mind you) I'm not making any logical statement pertaining to religion itself. I'm not saying, if you follow religion you're stupid across the board, that couldn't be any less true. If you'd like to have a debate on why you believe what you believe using Stephen's logical fallacies PM me so you dont spam him.
@strkszone I don't think I am spamming Stephen here, and I do still say that your attacks were ad hominem. Okay, perhaps it is not an ad hominen fallacy, but you state that religion "infects and twists people's perceptions on reality" and that makes them hypocrites if they "still grasp their perception of reality". This is better characterzied as a combination of a hasty generalization and begging the question to use Stephen's examples of fallacies that he is using.
@strkszone Also, I did not gather from your comment that "following religion = stupid", but if you were not making a logical statement pertaining to religion itself... what was it pertaining to? Maybe I missed the point.
@chemdork123 Did you read my reply? I wasn't attempting to make a logical statement, I was expressing my opinion in a rather aghast form. There was nothing logical about my statement, as it was just that, an opinion, not fact. There was no point besides me stating my personal opinion, so let's not do the strawman fallacy, okay? :)
@strkszone Yes, I did read your reply, and I understood then as well as now that you were stating opinion and not making an argument. Logic still should apply to opinion though, but you were not making a logical connection, so there's no need for us to debate that point. In any case, a straw man point on my part (if it does exist here) was only due to the fact that I was not clear on what you meant by your opinion/point before. You have cleared that up, so I think we're square, eh?
@scjoiner Hah, as long as we got permission to openly debate on comments, these types of debates with Atheists and Theists tend to get quite lengthy as I'm sure you're quite aware. Anyways I think the other guy said we're square now xD
@user1maximus Yes, she should be using logic to support her conclusions just like any other argument. It's easier for atheists and theists to start an argument from the point of view about God and not about religion, since religions start from the premise that a god exists. There are logical cases for and against god, and you both should argue within that realm.
@GasparXR the problem with saying that is he's explaining things he's learned through out his life that other people discover or what ever and they could still be proven wrong.
Steven I am sorry to say it, but you are talking bullshit.
You are definitly NOT ugly.
0NeverEver 2 months ago
Thank you for giving me some philosophical tools to counter arguments. My religious studies teacher made an argument to along the lines of we have good will because of God. I now know how to counter this argument - even though it is no use now ;) thanks anyway :)
SilexVerum 2 months ago
Very good, thank you! Exactly what I was looking for.
xplorva 4 months ago
@xplorva Thanks!
scjoiner 4 months ago
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what do you eat?
hairman180 4 months ago
1)The Bible was written thousands of years ago
2)Things written thousands of years ago combine myth and history
3)therefore the bible is a combination of myth and history.
Are you happy atheists? Just leave religions alone :/
TheIphone4thewin 5 months ago
Hi, I'm Rachel and I like the way you think about things, you also explain it very good. I myself am not so good at mathematics etc, well, I get it, but I work very very slowXD what do you advise? Thanks!
hurricanerz 7 months ago
@hurricanerz Practice makes perfect, if you ask me. Don't get discouraged by failure, but instead try to learn from it.
scjoiner 7 months ago 2
@hurricanerz
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill
Felekin 7 months ago
To be honest Stephen, you have taught me more than my science teachers. My science teachers only tell me facts, not how to find them. They teach the scientific method, but with less detail than you have. Thank you.
ShootzObby 7 months ago 3
@ShootzObby That is one of the many flaws in our school system. Once you get to college, you won't have to worry about that.
TheWhiteShadow42 4 months ago
lol at transcribed audio
midwestmariner 8 months ago
@NanCulir I'm not sure what you are trying to prove at this point... you haven't shown your religion is moral and you haven't shown that it is true.
scjoiner 8 months ago
........Islamic holy war: I am not a muslim and only defending christianity
The crusaders: we both know; when the king of the East Byzantines( I don` know the english word) was getting too strong to the king of the West Byzantines, he decided to prepare for a ``holy``war, to reduce the economic developement of Easter Byzanties
Inquisition: Religion is NOT church. The churched was just abused for the sake of money and power
witch trials; The bible wasn`t known by all. They didn`t know it better..
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir (no excuse)
Holocaust: That was a war against Religion( Hitlers Table Talk)
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir No, it wasn't. It was a bigoted war against a religious and ethnic group justified by Christianity.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@NanCulir All of these arose because of Christianity's influence in society. Without Christianity, they wouldn't happen. Islam is Christianity + Mohammad and some more miracles, btw. They completely ripped off the Bible because they were jealous they didn't have any holy crap of their own.
scjoiner 8 months ago
This is the greatest thing ive learned on a very long time, When i play games like Heroes of newerth, People get very mad when your doing a small small error. Whith those methods i can easily make them stop whining at me, Cause i really aint a good player hehe. Still i got the right to play like anyone else. But lets say i let an enemy get a away and i could have got him, Then the whole team gets really mad at me, That is using one of the failures in logic - hasty/sweeping generalization.Right?
stoffe1100 8 months ago
Hey Stephen,
I think that you a great youtuber, with a lot of knowlegde, but since I am a christian ( Hopefully not alone) I dont like it the way you speak about religions. Your conclusions are mostly that religion is wrong. But it sounds really interesting. Did you once listen to some God-Debates?
Greetings
NanCulir
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir I'm not trying to offend anyone, but your religion isn't immune from these principles. Religion IS wrong and immoral, so I will continue to teach people why that is the case. I have watched many religious debates, but strangely never seen a theist win.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@Stephen
Look, a lot of people believe in a God. But like you said, something is not true because the majority believs in it. But these 85% are not stupid, maybe they are not right, BUT they are not stupid. They thought about their believs. It`s not like, that is ``Logic``that religion is wrong as it is so with atheism.
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir I didn't say they are stupid, but they have no good reason for their beliefs, so they aren't exercising intelligence in this way. Logic can totally be applied to religion and in every single case, religion fails to withstand logic. There just aren't any good reasons to believe anything you can't prove!
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Why do you know, hat they have no good reasons. Did you ask them? You just think you know all the arguments, and to you they are not good enough to bring you to believe in a god.
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir I have heard thousands and thousands of reasons and seen all of them refuted. I'm saying that no person alive has ever presented a logical argument that has withstood any measure of proof. Sorry, but that's just the truth. If you think you have some good reason, check out ironchariots . org and look it up. I'm guessing you will find a succinct refutation.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner I think you are an ignorant!!! As I am one!!! You are saying it`s Logic, that religion is false. I say it`s right. Religion has got some good arguments; for example the moral argument. No wait; I also know, that atheism has got some good arguments( suffering). Anyway I think we both should be a little more tolerant.
Greetings NanCulir
PS; I really appreciate that you are arguing with an ordinary subsriber
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir Listen dude, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. I appreciate the feedback, but you are completely lying to yourself. Religion is NOT moral and we don't need it to be moral. Can you name anything moral that you can do that I can't as an atheist? I can name some wicked things you could do that I can't, though. I can't disprove your religion, but I know that you can't prove it, which is your job (burden of proof). How does Atheism breed suffering? Look at Islam...
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner If there is a god, why shouldn`t he give morality to you or any other atheist. I didn`t say you are not moral and maybe I have to express a little other: morality comes from (a) GOD. What wicked things??? And Religion is a belief. It is not based based on logic. God is not compatible with this universe. With suffering I mean, that Religion has not got any good explenation for animal suffering.
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir Alright, once again you are being ignorant so I'll try to help you. You need to demonstrate that God gave morality or else you have no argument. I can demonstrate that morality is a human construct and we don't need God to be moral.
Religion has done more wicked things than any other possible institution. The Islamic holy wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Witch Trials, the Holocaust, and so many more.
We have fully natural explanations and no need for God anywhere.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner I can`t prove it, but there are some good indications. Already in the bible in the 10 commandments you can find the basics. Now you will say that the bible is written by some fanatic people. But why should someone write something like that( love your enemey et ceterum), if it doesn`t help himself. Atheism claims that everyone does things like this for his one purpose. You are right, you don` need to believe in GOD or even know him to be moral. Let` move on to the wicked stuff.........
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir Are you kidding? You think the 10 commandments was the first moral law written? Look up Hammurabi's Code. The Bible completely plagiarized existing laws. Not to mention that the 10 commandments themselves are bullshit - maybe half are actually moral values. By the way, there are actually 613 commandments, but Christians reject all but 10 of them. Read your Bible.
Atheism is not about helping yourself because Atheism isn't a religion or moral code. Check your facts already.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner I know; there are a lot of tips and recomandations, but howcome I reject them. The 10 commandments are just a summary.
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir It's not a summary - it's a cherry picked list. God also EXPLICITLY COMMANDS the death of gays, men who cheat, disobedient children, eating shellfish, and working on the Sabbath. These are just a few of the 613. You have no reason to accept 10 and not the others if God COMMANDED you to.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner 1. Please tell me the exact verse 2. It just says beeing gay is not natural( not good) -The Jews interpreted, that they should kill this people- READ IN CONTEXT
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir The verse for what? Stoning children: Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Working on the sabbath: Exodus 31:15. All 613 laws: en .wikipedia. org/wiki/613_Mitzvot
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner READ IN CONTEXT. This is just ridiculous; Here comes an other argument: You have to read the bible in context: The basic claim of the bible is, that a god, who first only loves Jews, turns into a universal God. You can`t take word by word. Anyway, this is just to present an extreme and is only ment for the people who really are not willig to change their lives. I dont like stoning; Maybe God would ``stone`` this man. ToExodus 31:15. I ve got a special impression:
NanCulir 8 months ago
...... In my german translation it says....``Wer an diesem Tag arbeitet, muss sterben``=Everyone who works on this day must day. It doesnt say, that man has to kill these people
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir How is that any different? People who break the 613 commandments must die either way. For some reason, people only care about the 10 and ignore the others because they want to. It's all arbitrary.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner God`s judging is absolutly faire. The problem is only, that you and me, we both are not perfect, and we dont know the hole plan, that God has made for us, so we will never understand his judging on this earth
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir That's a pretty bad excuse. You have already shown me that you are more moral than God because you think stoning is bad. Stoning IS bad, so no moral person would do it.
Either way, you still haven't demonstrated your god exists and actually is capable of judging. There is still no good reason to believe this, only bad ones!
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner You are right! There is no reason to believe in god. Religion is about believe and I only can defend it
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir No, you can't defend it... it can't be defended. There is no reason to believe, therefore it shouldn't be believed. Do you care about believing things which are true? If so, you need to examine your religion. ww w. iron chariots . o rg.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner @scjoiner God`s judging is absolutly faire. The problem is only, that you and me, we both are not perfect, and we dont know the hole plan, that God has made for us, so we will never understand his judging on this earth
NanCulir 8 months ago
@NanCulir The context makes this even more ridiculous. If you can't take what it says literally (which most people don't), then you have to decide what is true and what isn't... and people don't agree here. The point is that there is NO good reason to believe this book because it is very inaccurate and contradicts both itself and what we know through science (the world is 4.5 billion years old, not 6000).
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner I can`t prove it, but there are some good indications. Already in the bible in the 10 commandments you can find the basics. Now you will say that the bible is written by some fanatic people. But why should someone write something like that( love your enemey et ceterum), if it doesn`t help himself. Atheism claims that everyone does things like this for his one purpose. You are right, you don` need to believe in GOD or even know him to be moral. Let` move on to the wicked stuff.........
NanCulir 8 months ago
@scjoiner @scjoiner I think you are an ignorant!!! As I am one!!! You are saying it`s Logic, that religion is false. I say it`s right. Religion has got some good arguments; for example the moral argument. No wait; I also know, that atheism has got some good arguments( suffering). Anyway I think we both should be a little more tolerant.
Greetings NanCulir
PS; I really appreciate that you are arguing with an ordinary subsriber
NanCulir 8 months ago
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@scjoiner I think you are an ignorant!!! As I am one!!! You are saying it`s Logic, that religion is false. I say it`s right. Religion has got some good arguments; for example the moral argument. No wait; I also know, that atheism has got some good arguments( suffering). Anyway I think we both should be a little more tolerant.
Greetings NanCulir
PS; I really appreciate that you are arguing with an ordinary subsriber
NanCulir 8 months ago
@scjoiner Why do you know, hat they have no good reasons. Did you ask them? You just think you know all the arguments, and to you they are not good enough to bring you to believe in a god. And why do you know that logic right? It`s not logic that logic is right
NanCulir 8 months ago
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@scjoiner Why do you know, hat they have no good reasons. Did you ask them? You just think you know all the arguments, and to you they are not good enough to bring you to believe in a god. And why do you know that logic right? It`s not logic that logic is right
NanCulir 8 months ago
I'm giving you a thumbs up with the quality control right now! :D
Em0srawk 8 months ago
@scjoiner Evidence is concrete, yet interpretation of evidence is subjective. An evolutionist may use homologous anatomy in mammals as proof for common ancestry, yet a theist may use it as evidence for a common designer. Anywhere you look in nature there is evidence for a higher power, such as the structural complexity of DNA (double-helix in your videos :D) and even the unique shape of a snowflake (it's winter here in NZ). But the very same evidence could be interpreted as proof for Darwinism
hazetubist 8 months ago
@hazetubist In one example, you have an explanation. In the other, you have a lack thereof. Claiming a god "did it" simply begs the question "where does this god come from?" In science, we may not understand EVERYTHING, but the answers we have are explanatory and only invoke questions regarding specifics. Bringing a deity into the picture explains NOTHING as all of the explanation is contingent on another overarching question relating to the existence of said deity.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Yet the same can be said for any other explanation regarding the origin of species. A theist could ask the same question on how the Big Bang or the Higgs-Boson Particle came into being, for example. As you said, we can't understand everything through science; sometimes we just have to "believe" and accept the existence the unexplainable.
hazetubist 8 months ago
@hazetubist Scientists don't pretend to understand those, however we do have a good idea. It relates to Alpha Particles and other subatomics which can blink in and out of existence. It is possible to get "something from nothing", in other words. Lawrence Krauss did a brilliant series on it. Either way, you are believing something for which we have evidence (Big Bang is totally proven from the evidence) or something with 0 evidence (creationism).
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Man, I wish I cared about physics enough to learn about those Alpha particles you were talking about; It sounds fascinating, but I haven't the time to start wrapping my skull around something like that.
I am loving this series by the way; I have stopped bothering to argue with people on the net because of the rampant, uncaring abuse of all of the logical fallacies you spoke about, but it's always nice to be up on the proper naming conventions for when I run into street preachers. :D
Quimbyrbg 8 months ago
@hazetubist In your example, you draw parallels between something that is mysterious (or unexplainable) because it is based solely on the individuals interpretation of whichever religious text (which, in general, have a reputation for being dubiously bad at consistency within themselves) they were raised to believe in, and a concept that is considered to be mysterious due to its innate complexity. eg. Most creationists seem to have a flawed understanding of evolution etc.
Quimbyrbg 8 months ago
@hazetubist And to be clear, I wasn't attacking the religious texts using an ad hominem (hehe :D) ie "The Bible has many plot holes, therefore it is BS", I was actually just making the point that the fact that it has so many contradictions would 1) Make it difficult for someone to attain any useful 'facts' about a given topic (God makes 2 people who have 2 sons. 1 son is killed and the other leaves the parents and finds a wife) and 2) Gives reason to doubt that a flawed work is divinely inspired
Quimbyrbg 8 months ago
Wasn't the stork thing just something parents told their children?
vante379 8 months ago
@vante379 Is Santa or Jesus any different?
scjoiner 8 months ago
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vante379 8 months ago
IS MURDER WRONG?
vante379 8 months ago
@vante379 The answer is usually "it depends".
scjoiner 8 months ago
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vante379 8 months ago
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vante379 8 months ago
Just something to think about.
Let's assume god exists but he doesn't help us or do anything (seems to be the case if he exists) then technically, he doesn't exist.
Let's say trees can grow as if they had just fallen on the side.
Somewhere deep in a rainforest, a tree falls, nothing in the universe was effected, technically, the tree grew on the side and fell or just never fell.
kaa3164 8 months ago
@kaa3164 True enough. It's a good point, but won't convince anyone because many think he actually does intervene. I'd LOVE to see proof of it, though!
scjoiner 8 months ago
Man, I`ve learned a lot. The teachers are dummies compared to you, my brain is evolving!
Coolman464 8 months ago
fact is what most people believe is the truth, but fact is not necessarily the truth.
worldeater08 8 months ago
Is "Stephen" pronounced like 'SteFFen' or SteVen'?
ThyKailo 8 months ago
@ThyKailo SteVen.
scjoiner 8 months ago
Okay Studying makes one smarter if one tries therefore smart people have studied a lot. Wrong, Smart people may not have studied therefore it's wrong. Studying does not mean an action to learn therefore a smart person can and can not have studied when he/she was younger. The word study means to observe an event/action/reaction/other objectal data under a certain time whether it is just a tiny second to hundreds of years. Therefore studying can help oneself become smarter. oh I like logic.
livedandletdie 8 months ago
Also the begging the question argument is called "Circle argumentation" in dutch. Just a useless fact, but it might help people understand it even better.
Clike666ness 8 months ago
I actually learned this at school already xD in my native language class. We had to learn to indentify good arguments from bad and to indentify what kind of argument it was.
Clike666ness 8 months ago
You are very anti-religious. I like the videos, but I think you should be more open-minded towards other perspectives. Believing in a higher power can also be a valid interpretation of evidence; sometimes it's necessary to question and examine our own ideas. To be able to look at the world from another perspective and understand others, I believe, is true "smartness".
hazetubist 8 months ago
@hazetubist Sure I agree the second you make a logical proof of god and a mathematical proof of god and a Dna test showing that something is god and last but not least show to me where exactly god is right now with a picture of God. Then we can talk I can help a bit by saying that there is a logical proof of god or everything that logic alone can not prove. A mathematical proof would be hard because Math can not bend to laws other than the laws of math. Oh the other two proofs are impossible.
livedandletdie 8 months ago
@hazetubist I am very open-minded. I change my opinion on things thousands of times before I settle on the truth. A higher power is NEVER a valid interpretation of evidence until you can tell me where the higher power came from. I can look through any perspective (and I was devoutly religious for 14 years), but there is no truth to be found in religion, only more questions.
scjoiner 8 months ago 9
5:12 Come on dude, you're a sexy beast, so that argument was flawed from the get-go =p
Great video mate =) would have been really useful at the start of the year. I'm doing honours in psychology at the moment and we had to cover all of this in Professional and Conceptual Issues.
*gives Stephen a thumbs up with the hide annotation button!* You earned it =D
777static777 8 months ago
if you do anything on the scientific method, please remember to credit the first person who started it. :) an unsung hero in the scientific community: ibn haytham.
invinciblemode 8 months ago
The Pope is a Catholic therefore that is the one true religion. lol
BradyhahaPSN 8 months ago
I like how Stephen tells us to give him a thumbs up with the 'Hide Annotations' button, then immediately reminds us to stay logical.
Bananadandaman 8 months ago 2
I'm fairly accustomed to these fallacies. Just avoid arguing with people that aggressively and distastefully shoot down your arguments while claiming theirs to be true. Because once you've proven your point, their tirade and ego prevents them from acknowledging your sound logic. In other words, no one likes walking with their tails between their legs. This is one of the reasons why I almost give up talking with people generally.
zelarian 8 months ago
are you reading some of this stuff am not saying I don't like
Daniel46350 8 months ago
These videos are great so far and really demonstrate the important skills people should have to be "intelligent". I hope to see a video on controversy next because of the similarity of the topic to these first two videos on skepticism and logic. I know it's basically what you are explaining here, but I believe it is something that can be expanded on in more detail for people to understand better a very commonly occurring example of skepticism and using logic in the real world.
GoTubeUrselv 8 months ago
Hm... you may want to change the title of this one to "Logical Fallacies" instead of "Logic", since it was entirely covering the fallacies...
chemdork123 8 months ago
@insaneHacker999 Lol. At least that smart.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@insaneHacker999 It's a free country.
scjoiner 8 months ago
More minecraft videos!
lswpcl 8 months ago
So what you are saying is that everything we believe isn't true.
alexblackney 8 months ago
@alexblackney Everything? We? Depends who you are and what you believe and if you can back it up.
scjoiner 8 months ago
Only Eating grapes for a period of time would kill you over time, because of intestinal blockage caused by the undigested skins.
Cupofmilk85 8 months ago
@Cupofmilk85 I'm gonna have to point out a logical fallacy in your argument there. Eating a lot of lettuce and other high-fiber foods should in theory do the same thing, since we cannot digest cellulose (which is the main component of these things and is what we typically call "fiber"). I believe you might be more likely to suffer damage to your digestive system (acid reflux) from the higher acid content in grapes compared to other foods (although you'd still probably be okay).
chemdork123 8 months ago
If an argument from ignorance makes you not smart, then religious people must not be smart. I'm an Atheist by the way, so I'm kind of biased.
YamahaBoyTTR230 8 months ago
@YamahaBoyTTR230 You aren't biased, you are thinking logically. It doesn't mean they are stupid, it means they don't use our intellectual tools in order to make decisions. That's a great recipe for being wrong.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Yes, that is exactly true!
YamahaBoyTTR230 8 months ago
So Stephen, you said that we didn't get to the moon on accident. Do you believe that we got to the moon because some authority figure (NASA and the US government) told us that we did?
cookingfat1 8 months ago
@cookingfat1 I believe it based on the videos and the rocks we brought back. If you want to prove we didn't, then you need to prove the conspiracy. My standard of evidence is high enough that I don't just take their word for it.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Ok, I just wanted to see your opinion on it. I personally believe we didn't, also based on evidence. awesome videos by the way.
cookingfat1 8 months ago
If someone only eats grapes and nothing else, wouldn't they die from malnutrition since they aren't consuming a varried diet? So technically it'd be true right? Sure you may not die right away, but you'd most likely die sooner if you only ate grapes, than someone who has a well balanced and nutrional diet, right?
strkszone 8 months ago
@strkszone Yes, but there is still a fallacy. Even if your conclusion is true, it's not true based on the evidence, it's true based on OTHER evidence that wasn't used.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner I was sort of just summing it up into a comment though ;D I didn't wanna gather all the proof and write it all down in a slew of words that would only get people to read my comment half way hehe :P Just a generalization I suppose, it was more or less in response to the annotation you put, saying you didn't mean to imply only eating grapes would cause death.
strkszone 8 months ago
@scjoiner well, good. :) some people (like me) are visual learners..
invinciblemode 8 months ago
You pointed in the wrong place when you said like button, therefore I should disregard the entire video because you must never be right.
bird875 8 months ago
You're not ugly, you're... hmm... different...
joaomspereira18 8 months ago
would it be possibel fro you to explain hexdecimal to us cause i want to make your calculator walkthrough thing. but i dont understand hexdecimal
vanquish349 8 months ago
@vanquish349 Hexidecimal is base 16. FF = 256 in base 10.
A-F stand for the numbers 10-16. In our decimal system a the number 7 = 7*1. The number 70 = 7*10. In hex 7 = 7*1 and 70 = 7*16. The place to the right of a number is worth 16* the number before it.
Ry4nPro 8 months ago
@Ry4nPro see and that is why i want a video on it. it seams way more comfusing than binery
vanquish349 8 months ago
@vanquish349 It's actually just as easy. I'll do a video soon.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner thankyou, then i can start building your calculator
vanquish349 8 months ago
Could you prepare a slideshow, and present your lessons along with the slides, and maybe allow us to download the slides?
invinciblemode 8 months ago
@invinciblemode Yeah, I'll get that for next time.
scjoiner 8 months ago
I totes sent him this idea
then he did this episode
therefore HE GOT IT FROM ME
oh wait - Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Nichordnaruto 8 months ago
@Nichordnaruto Ah, but I had already planned it before you sent the message :D
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner damn, blast and such
hes out foxed me this time
I'll have to think of something else then
Nichordnaruto 8 months ago
Wow, I didn't know plain old logic can be so complicated
invinciblemode 8 months ago
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Martineibye 8 months ago
If I watch stephen's videos every day, then I become smart. Good logic ? :D
NonoLeCube 8 months ago 8
@NonoLeCube Couldn't hurt!
scjoiner 8 months ago 4
you're a design engineer?
ThaUnpronounceable 8 months ago
@ThaUnpronounceable Systems, but yeah.
scjoiner 8 months ago
Where's my $?
I WATCHED THA WHOLE VID AND IT DUNT WOOOOOOOORKKK
This is really nice :D
TheMcDucky 8 months ago
@stnbtv I don't know If this is 3), 5) or both If you'd then say it had anything to do with each other.
Atanar89 8 months ago
I really like those videos!
Atanar89 8 months ago
I think "murder is wrong, therefore assisted suicide is wrong" is more of a non sequitur than begging the question.
kresimircindric 8 months ago
@kresimircindric Yeah, in retrospect you are right. It's difficult to think of a simple example of it.
scjoiner 8 months ago
I like this series, you're putting stuff out there that most people don't consider. Lot's of people confuse logic with common sense. Common sense is a poorly used term. In your examples it's "common sense" that the Earth is flat and we see the sun going around it. Common sense is ad populum, it could be right but it needs logic to back it up before it can be validated. There are no absolutes, use your logic to question everything. Saying "it's common sense" does not make it valid.
Endominius 8 months ago
Live long and prosper Stephen :)
gregaaron89 8 months ago
I suppose in a way rain is affected to money due to delaying transportation or that we need rain to sustain plants we consume for various purposes.
Darthwill44 8 months ago
logic = common sense
By the way, all the logical fallacies you talked about are the same as ethical conversation traps I spent a month learning about in ethics class :3
MrBoDidely 8 months ago
Some of this is funny, and a good thing I only learned a cople of examples, nothing else, I thik that is goid. Use big words!
gudenaurock 8 months ago
Just thought of two other fallacies. Example (something I actually heard): "Terraria features construction and deconstruction of blocks, therefore it is a clone minecraft." This is spoken by a devoted Minecraft fan. He is ignoring other facts he would know would disprove him (eg. it's 2d, more adventure-based, numerous other things), however does not agree that Minecraft is a clone of Infiniminer, because "not many people played it". More people played MC, therefore his argument is valid? No.
GasparXR 8 months ago
@GasparXR He is also using his opinion (he likes MC) to support his argument. He said that MC is better anyway to dodge other certainly more valid arguments against him.
GasparXR 8 months ago
@GasparXR I've heard this argument about Terraria as well. You can't state that Terraria is a clone just because it has a feature that is the same as MC. Think of how many games have jumping as an integral feature. Does that mean that they are clones of Donkey Kong? I mean, Mario is in SMB and Donkey Kong and jumps in both games... are they clones? Yep, that guy is try to support opinion with one fact and clearly not enough evidence to back up his or her claim.
chemdork123 8 months ago
I dont know why im here... There must be a god.
ikub58 8 months ago
looks up Einstien's riddle
Great logic puzzle. DONT USE THE THING TO SEE THE ANSWER TRY IT YOURSELF
SuperStishious 8 months ago
Thanks for using my topic idea =D
SuperStishious 8 months ago
Im pretty sure u would actually die if u only ate grapes
loooljoe 8 months ago
When you assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.
MidnightGamer428 8 months ago
to me, logic is intelligence. I use logic for everything
MrBoDidely 8 months ago
im so stonedd
ryan12389 8 months ago
lol, i find it hillarious how you seem to be compelled to disprove every exemple you give of logic error, even when they are obvious.
coucoulardtich 8 months ago
Hey Stephen I love these vids your posting but if you can keep working on the binary calculator (: Its my fav!
fl0b0ts 8 months ago
You didn't point to thumbs up on my screen... but great movie
Mpa12120 8 months ago
I have a really smart friend who disagrees with me on everything, and we always have great debates. It pisses me off so much though, because shes a die-hard stone age Christian and whenever we argue religion, she ALWAYS starts to use every single logical fallacy you talked about!! It's horrible. Like, she's so brainwashed and indoctrinated that she can't talk about it without releasing her grip on logic and reality. I need to show her this video.
user1maximus 8 months ago
@user1maximus ok its her beliefs let her have them and do as she wants to do dont be that ass whole who trys to push your belief on other people
ak5250 8 months ago
@user1maximus I hear you man! It's so stupid, religion is like the plauge man! It infects and twists people's perceptions on reality. Those who still grasp their perceptions of reality who claim to follow a religion are complete HYPOCRITES!
strkszone 8 months ago
@strkszone Do I detect an ad hominem fallacy? At the very least, it seems an ad hominem attack. Shame shame! ... and after watching Stephen's video on that too! ;)
chemdork123 8 months ago
@chemdork123 It isn't an ad hominem fallacy because I'm not attacking the individual directly, I'm expressing how upsetting it is (which is just my personal opinion mind you) I'm not making any logical statement pertaining to religion itself. I'm not saying, if you follow religion you're stupid across the board, that couldn't be any less true. If you'd like to have a debate on why you believe what you believe using Stephen's logical fallacies PM me so you dont spam him.
strkszone 8 months ago
@strkszone I don't think I am spamming Stephen here, and I do still say that your attacks were ad hominem. Okay, perhaps it is not an ad hominen fallacy, but you state that religion "infects and twists people's perceptions on reality" and that makes them hypocrites if they "still grasp their perception of reality". This is better characterzied as a combination of a hasty generalization and begging the question to use Stephen's examples of fallacies that he is using.
chemdork123 8 months ago
@chemdork123 Keep it up - I love discussion.
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Ok, next episode should be on the scientific method. :D
chemdork123 8 months ago
@strkszone Also, I did not gather from your comment that "following religion = stupid", but if you were not making a logical statement pertaining to religion itself... what was it pertaining to? Maybe I missed the point.
chemdork123 8 months ago
@chemdork123 Did you read my reply? I wasn't attempting to make a logical statement, I was expressing my opinion in a rather aghast form. There was nothing logical about my statement, as it was just that, an opinion, not fact. There was no point besides me stating my personal opinion, so let's not do the strawman fallacy, okay? :)
strkszone 8 months ago
@strkszone Yes, I did read your reply, and I understood then as well as now that you were stating opinion and not making an argument. Logic still should apply to opinion though, but you were not making a logical connection, so there's no need for us to debate that point. In any case, a straw man point on my part (if it does exist here) was only due to the fact that I was not clear on what you meant by your opinion/point before. You have cleared that up, so I think we're square, eh?
chemdork123 8 months ago
@chemdork123 Yeah, pretty much lol.
strkszone 8 months ago
@strkszone Please continue :D
scjoiner 8 months ago
@scjoiner Hah, as long as we got permission to openly debate on comments, these types of debates with Atheists and Theists tend to get quite lengthy as I'm sure you're quite aware. Anyways I think the other guy said we're square now xD
strkszone 8 months ago
@strkszone Yep. Anytime you want to bring up a reasonable point, let's have another go.
chemdork123 8 months ago
@user1maximus Yes, she should be using logic to support her conclusions just like any other argument. It's easier for atheists and theists to start an argument from the point of view about God and not about religion, since religions start from the premise that a god exists. There are logical cases for and against god, and you both should argue within that realm.
chemdork123 8 months ago
nice nice nice, I've heard that minecraft wires are based in bits, and gates atc..
vinistar60 8 months ago
Don't assume you know where the buttons are!
shuey707 8 months ago
I subscribed to you therefore everything you say must be true. :O
GasparXR 8 months ago 22
@GasparXR Name the fallacy ;)
scjoiner 8 months ago 5
@scjoiner Argument from authority
GasparXR 8 months ago
@GasparXR the problem with saying that is he's explaining things he's learned through out his life that other people discover or what ever and they could still be proven wrong.
XYLR117 8 months ago
lol stephen Fiiiiiiirrrrrrst!!
78monkeymonk 8 months ago
Ok: I know your job is "secret" but we all want to know: Do you work for like Intel :D
(And also what does your wife do?)(Introduce her?)
thedjtecaa 8 months ago 6
@thedjtecaa I don't work for Intel. My wife's job is also a secret, but I can tell you she is a social worker.
scjoiner 8 months ago 3
@sCj0!n4rZ
So she's a SPACE MAN??!!!!!?!
TheMcDucky 8 months ago