So.....the firemen began to extinguish the KLM-plane before they started to extinguish the Pan Am? Even if everyone on the KLM probably died right away.
Inconceivable that a pilot of Van Zanten's expertise and esteem would have acted in such a hasty and foolish manner, when so many lives were at stake.
@afcaj0od Both the Panam and the KLM had permission to back taxi down the runway. The majority of blame is with the KLM pilot for taking off without permission.
A bullet train would be a good option instead of an airplane. At least the bullet train stays on earth. There would be incidents of course but the possibilities of surviving would be higher than in an airplane accident.
@conurelover You cant tell what kind of person he was just from how he behaves in very stresfull situation that lasts only few hours or so. Everyone has bad days.
VanZanten clearly acted rashly. That much is indisputable. Although his surname clearly indicates he WAS Dutch, his nationality has absolutely no bearing in this case.
@conurelover You seem to have decided that I'm Dutch, bizarre. Clearly my opinion matters to you enough to keep returning with a barrage of maniacal abuse.
The crew were not "monitoring computers" because in 1977 cockpits did not have computers. A pilot in 1977 still did a lot of manual flying. Van Zanten could fly a plane better than you ever will. But he simply did not have enough patience. That does not mean he could not fly a plane.
This was a shining example of the 'old cockpit mannerisms' between the pilot and copilot. The pilot was God up until officials heard what the pilot did on this flight. After this - that God syndrome thing was over!
I can't believe one mans impatience and asshole-dness caused all this. They should test airline pilots for COMPLETE PRICKAGE because that guy sounds like a total d**k..and anyone who's like that is an idiot because they've never listened to anyone before in their life and they "know it all".
P.S. does this say THE BOMB is unavoidable? when it shows a timer-like device for a bomb? at like 2:00 into the video
Ok...i'm just sick of all this "its a fake" bullshit !!!
I just travelled today and i was sitting next to one of the plane investigators who was in charge of making a report of this crash (reason i came to see this video).
Half of what is said on the video is true...but the other half is just totally wrong. BUT this is NOT FAKE at all.
what was the speed when VanZanten started to rotate?? he didn't get onto 155 so fast and his experience should had told him that if his fuselage touches the ground his speed will decrease rapidly clerly he was impulsive in his action ... and that's what a pilot should avoid... first violates ATC clearance then tries to get up using half the runway... indeed the "star" pilot is living with the stars... i would had liked to see his bars stripped off if he was alive.. bloody arrogant fool
Not so. 1st, Van Zanten did not deliberately violate ATC (if that's what you are thinking); 2nd, and more important, when you are suddenly confronted with a nightmare scenario and have seconds to act, you would do what any pilot would do - yank the thing into the air ASAP - you cannot expect under such circumstances calm cool perfection from anyone. I've never heard anyone else criticize Van Zanten on those grounds.
Why do you think that rotating when Van Zanten did so would slow the plane down? nearly 300 tons of aircraft and 4 engines of 40,000 of thrust and you think scraping a bit of aluminium on the runway will make any difference?.
Alas... you have watched this made for tv docu-drama and assumed it is factual and accurate. In reality it contains far too much bullshit to count as a serious documentary, please don't take it too seriously. I doubt Van Zanten was anything like the asshole here
I'd say ATC was more stupid. The KLM made an unintentional mistake. But the controllers deliberately and unmistakenly put those planes in a highly dangerous situation - totally 1000% wrong!!!!! The Spanish got off real easy IMO, because they controlled the investigation. You know, the stupid fuckin ATC was listening to a football match. Maybe that explains why he kept radioing the KLM with the wrong flight number. Now that really pisses me off.
@Pvjinflight They did ...but not voluntarily. What the controller (who had a portuguese accent) said was "runway cleared for take-off" and once on the runway the controller said "hold". However, due to a misunderstanding, the pilot heard "roll" and started accelerating.
@Absolutek3v The controller never said that. I suggest you read through the transcript on the official report (not hard to find online).
He said "Standby for takeoff, I will call you". This was said after KLM had started its takeoff roll and anyway was obscured because the PANAM was broadcasting on the same frequency.
Stupid egoist the captain of the KLM. The fisrt officier had speak up for the second time when the captain started again. All thoses people died because one egoist.
I have been following this praticular crash since 1977.The weather and visibility was a major contributing factor in this disaster,but the entire blame goes to the KLM captain,van Zanten,for taking off without proper clearance!Plain and simple!As for the Pan Am flight crew,ALL survived the crash!
I don't agree the KLM should get entire blame because I don't accept the premise of the investigators. To have a system that certifies an alternate airport which then directs 600 human beings out onto a fog shrouded runway, lacking ground radar, then uses it for both for take offs and as a taxiway, is in serious need of re-examination, it seems to me. Even the Pan Am might have said: "Maybe I should wait for that KLM to take off before I venture on that runway."
but the KLM captain, i say was the tipping point..he had all the rights to choose yet he chose to risk all the lives on board for he stupid damned time card..of course it cost in the end another 400 lives ......if we chase the cause of any event to its deepest roots it is impossible ...we can even blame the world for creating those terrorist..but i think we must examine who took the most irresponsible act that lead directly to disaster
my conclusion is that although many factors contributed to this accident and that we can't help but awe at fate when it happens, the most tragic part was the KLM captain.. the other factors can't be helped..there were terrorist threats, planes must be redirected, thats fate, weather is fate, although the communication was poor but the tower and american pilots were following procedures,doing what they are suppose to do
KLM captain obviously was in a big hurry. Kind of the same mentality an impatient driver shoots the gap at a red light thinking he can make it and doesn't.
It is not there fault, it is the fog that caused the deaths. It is not the KLM's fault it is the fog and the tower had no way of knowing. It is still tragic.
Flying large jets in the 1980's was all about huge balls and ego. It was that way from the 1960's on. Not the right attitude with passengers behind you.
En inderdaad, de meeste hollanders zijn waardeloos. Was er ook liever niet geboren. Stuk voor stuk betweters en egoïsten hier, dat blijkt maar weer in deze documentaire :@
experienced r always make accidents n mistakes. cos of their ego....n they r more careless cos of tht....fresh people always will be carefull b4 any movement, tht's wht happened this f u ckin super ego bitch klm caption. His nasty ego n impatience ended up like this!
What kind of IDIOTS are you, thinking this might be fake? More then 500 peoples lost theire lives and you idiots think it was fake? Get a life and learn instead of hanging up all day in front of your fucking Playstation or similar crap.
@MrKhawal69 ........ no, I fucked your mama and the result was this pile of shit crap that you see, each time you look in a mirror...... btw... go ahead and fuck your dad's dick you fucking cumbag!
@wodanowitz i'm with you the Tenerife accident was very real and has the highest deaths in an aviation accident to this very day. those idiots may mean the reconstruction. offcourse the reconstruction isn't real but how stupid to say that all is fake.
1) Wouldn't the full flaps be anyway set for all take-offs?
2) If he (KLM captain) instead had aborted takeoff the instant he realised he was in the wrong: they might have collided - or not, if the Pan-Am aircraft would therefore have been able to get further out of the way, if not off the runway? Either way, it would have likely meant more survivors - whereas he was trying to get away with everything instead...
first officer should have pulled the throtles back them punched him in the mouth before it started to say anything he would have been living with everbody else and could have got another job somewhere else like pan am
A bigger lesson for you all - if the weather is snowing, heavy rain, or fog. DON'T BOARD the aircraft. I don't care if you're going to miss an event, or lose your fare, you'll live.
I've skipped flights three times due to weather, and one of those evenings, a plane did go down, killing dozens. Not my flight, but the same area and weather.
hahahaha, most stupid thing I have ever heard! It's just CGI, remade by computer graphics so we can see what did happen, without actually filming it in real life, it's not 100% identical to the real thing, but from evidence, it's pretty close.
Still, an outstanding one that seems to cover pretty well all the bases. Yes, at least 90% of the trouble MUST go to the Dutch captain Jacob Veldhuizen van Zanten.
One question: when an aeroplane's taking off, can it not turn at all (especially if close to being airborne) so as to have another way to avoid such a collision?? Would it's crossing from asphalt/concrete unto grass be so automatically fatal if it's anyway about to lift off (perhaps that could also have avoided the tail-strike)?
I've learn a lession about landing at the airport after landed at the airport with out the landing clearance, the tower said, "Landmark 1123 heavy your not clear to land Clear the runway? and till sudenly, I crashed into a small plane head on, well what a great lesson to learn after watching this video
That doesn't qualify as an aviation disaster on account of its being a terrorist incident done DELIBERATELY to cause as many deaths as possible by Arab-Muslim terrorists - thus it doesn't qualify as anything in the least accidental. The Tenerife incident WAS accidental.
The accident wasn't caused by terrorist activity. The reason the planes were diverted to the island was because their original airport was closed due to the bomb, but the KLM pilot began take-off roll w/o clearance
Thankfully the industry does learn from mistakes made, this is a prime example of bad CRM and deviation from SOPs, it is now a standard that when operating from airports in Low Vis conditions, the pilots announce by radio "entering the runway" "rolling" and "airbourne", also monitoring TCAS on take off often (not always) gives clues as to whether someone else is on the runway. Unfortunately, as regards to radios, transmitting at the same time (stepping on) still leads to garbled communications.
the cockiness and arrogance of the dutch captain is disgraceful and would certainly not be tolerated nowadays. unfortunately in aviation, it usually costs more than money for practices and habits to change.
>"the cockiness and arrogance of the dutch captain is disgraceful "
That is absolutely true - the KLM Captain is a total SOB... in this reconstruction.
But how accurate is it?
A cockpit voice recorder (in 1977) only recorded the previous 30 mins. How can anyone possibly know how the Dutch Captain spoke to other people? How can they know he bawled out the air-stewardess, for example?
There are NO witnesses, everyone on the KLM plane is dead.
listen, thanks for agreeing with me but I don't need you to tell me that it was a a tv drama smartarse. my opinion was based solely on the last few minutes before the crash. he is a cocky, arrogant shitface for disregarding atc clearance and the professional integrity of his first officer by applying thrust. this is a fact that is plainly on the record with or without a tv drama.
Captain Van Zantem clearly made a terrible mistake - but there are many theories as to why a man so experienced & highly trained made such an error. There are several books about this crash and many research papers. "cocky, arrogant shitface" may be one possible theory, but read the CRT transcript with an open mind and it doesn't give any clue whether VZ was arrogant or not.
As for calling me names, I would retaliate in true youtube style but I'm afraid I grew out of that a while ago. Sorry.
No need to call people names: I read in Time magazine at the time that the Air-Traffic Controller said to the Dutchman "I shall CLEAR you FOR takeoff". Apparently, the very mention of the word "takeoff" is enough to push some jumpy pilots into thinking that the clearance for takeoff has ALREADY been given - if that happened, that would be a mitigating factor for him.
Cockpit Resource Management - In a modern cockpit any member not happy would be able to abort the takeoff - it's team work. It is the opposite of the WW2 cockpit situation, where the pilot is in command of everyone.
But - that assumes that the other two KLM crew believed the Dutch Captain was wrong. According to Paul Roitch of the American investigating team, when the engineer asked "is he not off then, that Pan America?" BOTH pilots replied '"jawel", not just the Captain.
(It was not the tower the) The tower say to the KLM Captain stay but hi didn't listen. Thats what happend if you don't listen and thats was crazy and sad (583 passenger died because the KLM Captain was and idiot and don't listen)
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Why doesn't the reenactment show the burning fuel enter the KLM cockpit so we can enjoy watching Captain Van Zanten burn to death?
RK831 7 months ago
So.....the firemen began to extinguish the KLM-plane before they started to extinguish the Pan Am? Even if everyone on the KLM probably died right away.
Bad luck all the way.
torpeedo1 8 months ago
Inconceivable that a pilot of Van Zanten's expertise and esteem would have acted in such a hasty and foolish manner, when so many lives were at stake.
slaterms11 8 months ago
@slaterms11 the panam didn't even had permission to enter That runway, while the klm didn't had permission to takeoff so it's a mistake by both pilots
though the old communication of that airport was a reason too
afcaj0od 6 months ago
@afcaj0od Both the Panam and the KLM had permission to back taxi down the runway. The majority of blame is with the KLM pilot for taking off without permission.
LibertarianBiker 6 months ago 3
@afcaj0od and of course you're dutch.
amfs23 1 month ago
@amfs23 Does That matter?
Just tellin' what i've read and what i've seen on TV.
Even the commentator said both airliners were wrong...deal with it and accept it.
afcaj0od 1 month ago
A bullet train would be a good option instead of an airplane. At least the bullet train stays on earth. There would be incidents of course but the possibilities of surviving would be higher than in an airplane accident.
34roberees 8 months ago
@34roberees A trans-Atlantic bullet train?
mrjahgreen 8 months ago
and all because KLM captain didn't wanna miss diner
23viktor23 8 months ago 3
@conurelover You cant tell what kind of person he was just from how he behaves in very stresfull situation that lasts only few hours or so. Everyone has bad days.
Pvjinflight 10 months ago
The one should of waited. Probably wouldn't of done much, but still who knows
kkjellybean22 10 months ago
VanZanten clearly acted rashly. That much is indisputable. Although his surname clearly indicates he WAS Dutch, his nationality has absolutely no bearing in this case.
jazzkeyboardman 10 months ago
that was true
d2linares 11 months ago
what the fuck that old shit listen to a commentary
MsMazor 1 year ago
that's fucked up yo...
2236hunk 1 year ago
straight to the point...its the fault KLMs captain..he didnt follow the atc's instruction..
NATIONofPH 1 year ago
@conurelover There are people in the Netherlands who are not Dutch you know!
nakedmambo 1 year ago
@conurelover You seem to have decided that I'm Dutch, bizarre. Clearly my opinion matters to you enough to keep returning with a barrage of maniacal abuse.
nakedmambo 1 year ago
@conurelover You're like a nasty buzzing sound on the refrigerator. Have you considered psychiatric help for your Tourette's syndrome?
nakedmambo 1 year ago
@conurelover
Be quiet you noisy pillock.
nakedmambo 1 year ago
@conurelover
The crew were not "monitoring computers" because in 1977 cockpits did not have computers. A pilot in 1977 still did a lot of manual flying. Van Zanten could fly a plane better than you ever will. But he simply did not have enough patience. That does not mean he could not fly a plane.
HandigeHarry010 1 year ago
the controlers tower they have to get fired
jadeteamoesmeralda1 1 year ago
I feel sorry for the dead people that van Santen flew to heaven.
gnoeveldraaf 1 year ago
I feel sorry for the pan-am though... The fucking KLM captain HAD 2 not get clearance!
sfgiantsPOSEY28 1 year ago
it was the ****ing ATC that caused it.
Testbuildlabs 1 year ago
no one survived ? :(
ServerForFree 1 year ago
the arrogance of the KLM pilot was the cause.
bleep77 1 year ago
This was a shining example of the 'old cockpit mannerisms' between the pilot and copilot. The pilot was God up until officials heard what the pilot did on this flight. After this - that God syndrome thing was over!
r!
recklesswhisper 1 year ago
I can't believe one mans impatience and asshole-dness caused all this. They should test airline pilots for COMPLETE PRICKAGE because that guy sounds like a total d**k..and anyone who's like that is an idiot because they've never listened to anyone before in their life and they "know it all".
P.S. does this say THE BOMB is unavoidable? when it shows a timer-like device for a bomb? at like 2:00 into the video
CreQ 1 year ago
Shana....they bought their tickets.
sm6161 1 year ago
damn and all this disaster and those deaths just because van santen wanted to make dinner in time :(
23viktor23 1 year ago
Younster, you ass. "motherfucker pilot american,can;t wait,"
He was Dutch, idiot.
CRAZYinCRETE 1 year ago
''ooooo yes''
richis404 1 year ago
fucking Cap, they should work together
leon6266 1 year ago
captain KLM jawel angry end kill people,shit pilot
YOUNSTER007 1 year ago
what he say, the panama on the way oooo yes,then he kiled 583 pasengers,motherfucker pilot american,can;t wait,wayyyyy????
YOUNSTER007 1 year ago
what he say,oooo yes,then he kiled 583 pasengers,motherfucker pilot american,can;t wait,wayyyyy????
YOUNSTER007 1 year ago
it wasn't a fake i know it it was the failure of the KLM pilot the tower didn't gave him the clearence for takeoff
ckreuzbichler 1 year ago
rest in peace... god bless you...
limckeong 1 year ago
Ok...i'm just sick of all this "its a fake" bullshit !!!
I just travelled today and i was sitting next to one of the plane investigators who was in charge of making a report of this crash (reason i came to see this video).
Half of what is said on the video is true...but the other half is just totally wrong. BUT this is NOT FAKE at all.
Absolutek3v 1 year ago
what was the speed when VanZanten started to rotate?? he didn't get onto 155 so fast and his experience should had told him that if his fuselage touches the ground his speed will decrease rapidly clerly he was impulsive in his action ... and that's what a pilot should avoid... first violates ATC clearance then tries to get up using half the runway... indeed the "star" pilot is living with the stars... i would had liked to see his bars stripped off if he was alive.. bloody arrogant fool
sb100ify 1 year ago
@sb100ify
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Not so. 1st, Van Zanten did not deliberately violate ATC (if that's what you are thinking); 2nd, and more important, when you are suddenly confronted with a nightmare scenario and have seconds to act, you would do what any pilot would do - yank the thing into the air ASAP - you cannot expect under such circumstances calm cool perfection from anyone. I've never heard anyone else criticize Van Zanten on those grounds.
cchris874 1 year ago
@sb100ify
Why do you think that rotating when Van Zanten did so would slow the plane down? nearly 300 tons of aircraft and 4 engines of 40,000 of thrust and you think scraping a bit of aluminium on the runway will make any difference?.
Alas... you have watched this made for tv docu-drama and assumed it is factual and accurate. In reality it contains far too much bullshit to count as a serious documentary, please don't take it too seriously. I doubt Van Zanten was anything like the asshole here
NoCheeseAndNoSocks 1 year ago
R.I.P those who lost there lives they shall all be remembered by those who watched this video and cared for them
MultiBooboo97 1 year ago
Wait on what plane were there no survivors the klm or panam?
WickedrWil 1 year ago
@WickedrWil - No survivors from the KLM plane.
OzDelphi 1 year ago
one of the worst aviation accident, could have easly been avoided.....just one fuckin stupid pilot
skat0r 1 year ago
@skat0r "just one f---in stupid pilot"
I'd say ATC was more stupid. The KLM made an unintentional mistake. But the controllers deliberately and unmistakenly put those planes in a highly dangerous situation - totally 1000% wrong!!!!! The Spanish got off real easy IMO, because they controlled the investigation. You know, the stupid fuckin ATC was listening to a football match. Maybe that explains why he kept radioing the KLM with the wrong flight number. Now that really pisses me off.
cchris874 1 year ago
@cchris874
ya for sure the ATC was really bad, but the pilot shouldnt take off without clearance, its the law
skat0r 1 year ago
@skat0r
I hear you, but KLM thought he HAD the clearance = not intentional breaking law.
Cheers
cchris874 1 year ago
@cchris874 Controllers did nothing wrong
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight
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That's a matter of debate.
cchris874 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight
That is indeed a matter of debate.
The ground controller actually made mistakes that have been corrected in the documentary (Such as goofing the call signs. Read the transcripts...)
This documentary doesn't blame the controllers at all. I wonder why not? Possibly because, being very much alive, they could take legal action?
The KLM crew, on the other hand....
Think about it.
NoCheeseAndNoSocks 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight They did ...but not voluntarily. What the controller (who had a portuguese accent) said was "runway cleared for take-off" and once on the runway the controller said "hold". However, due to a misunderstanding, the pilot heard "roll" and started accelerating.
Absolutek3v 1 year ago
@Absolutek3v The controller never said that. I suggest you read through the transcript on the official report (not hard to find online).
He said "Standby for takeoff, I will call you". This was said after KLM had started its takeoff roll and anyway was obscured because the PANAM was broadcasting on the same frequency.
fightingtemeraire 1 year ago
this pisses me off. of course it is pilot error. that KLM captain was a hasty asshole. R.I.P. everyone that died.
ryanzee95 1 year ago
Stupid egoist the captain of the KLM. The fisrt officier had speak up for the second time when the captain started again. All thoses people died because one egoist.
R.I.P. dear people :'(
patje7 1 year ago
people people
mrrorro10 1 year ago
i hate flying
SecretWarriorGirl 1 year ago
@SecretWarriorGirl
don't hate flying just because of this though.
ryanzee95 1 year ago
oh my got
Natysek100 1 year ago
is the Pam Am, the one that was getting off the run way that got hit by the other plane
if so did the pilot of that flight survived?
rediickulus 1 year ago
I just saw this and I can't believe the negligence of the KLM pilot, is he still alive... If he is still right now then good luck to him.
warrengutierrez 1 year ago
@hellrobot all the Pan-Am's pilots survived; all 248 people onboard the KLM, including the pilots, were killed.
73optimusprime 1 year ago
@917Porsche MOST of the pan-am flight crew survived; the flight crew includes the flight attendants, and four of them were killed.
73optimusprime 1 year ago
that pilot is an a**hole i would throw him on the the run way if he tryd that with me
marksman370 1 year ago
i would have punched that arrogant klm captain in the face when he was trying his second takeoff
Swanen90 1 year ago
would it be better if the klm got holes on the plane tires so it smaks and flys of trhe landing
davvvvo 1 year ago
ignorant KLM cant listen to shit and gets 583 lives people dead. R.I.P. everyone
douhnutz 1 year ago
whoah I watched this whole documentary with my parents....so sad..so tragic
freshbeatbandfan 1 year ago
I have been following this praticular crash since 1977.The weather and visibility was a major contributing factor in this disaster,but the entire blame goes to the KLM captain,van Zanten,for taking off without proper clearance!Plain and simple!As for the Pan Am flight crew,ALL survived the crash!
917Porsche 1 year ago
@917Porsche
I don't agree the KLM should get entire blame because I don't accept the premise of the investigators. To have a system that certifies an alternate airport which then directs 600 human beings out onto a fog shrouded runway, lacking ground radar, then uses it for both for take offs and as a taxiway, is in serious need of re-examination, it seems to me. Even the Pan Am might have said: "Maybe I should wait for that KLM to take off before I venture on that runway."
cchris874 1 year ago
its the KLM pilot fault .without ATC take off clearance we do not take off never
helios352 1 year ago
but the KLM captain, i say was the tipping point..he had all the rights to choose yet he chose to risk all the lives on board for he stupid damned time card..of course it cost in the end another 400 lives ......if we chase the cause of any event to its deepest roots it is impossible ...we can even blame the world for creating those terrorist..but i think we must examine who took the most irresponsible act that lead directly to disaster
hanabi77 1 year ago
my conclusion is that although many factors contributed to this accident and that we can't help but awe at fate when it happens, the most tragic part was the KLM captain.. the other factors can't be helped..there were terrorist threats, planes must be redirected, thats fate, weather is fate, although the communication was poor but the tower and american pilots were following procedures,doing what they are suppose to do
hanabi77 1 year ago
KLM captain obviously was in a big hurry. Kind of the same mentality an impatient driver shoots the gap at a red light thinking he can make it and doesn't.
criticalpass 1 year ago
It is not there fault, it is the fog that caused the deaths. It is not the KLM's fault it is the fog and the tower had no way of knowing. It is still tragic.
NBshadow97 1 year ago
Stupid KLM pilot!
TheMilitia123 1 year ago
Over confident is always the killer.
akcw429 1 year ago
did the pilots of the pan am or the klm survive????
hellrobot 1 year ago
@hellrobot pan amers survived
neweast1 1 year ago
@hellrobot Everyone died
BraeDoktor 1 year ago
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aviation20101 1 year ago
было похоже что Д Медведев за штурвалом самолета
MrBombella 1 year ago
@MrBombella Kazakhstan is number one importer of potassium I love Kazakhstan
jackwhite92 1 year ago
Zantem shouldn't have taken off without the ok. EVERYONE on his plane died! Not one survivor on the KLM! And 61 people survived on the PAN-AM.
Treadstone1231 2 years ago
OMG
wangzheyou 2 years ago
Flying large jets in the 1980's was all about huge balls and ego. It was that way from the 1960's on. Not the right attitude with passengers behind you.
sbranson01 2 years ago
Stomme hollanders weten het altijd beter!
1UW4ever 2 years ago
@1UW4ever Inderdaad xD
0Ojoost14O0 1 year ago
@1UW4ever
Ik haat die piloot :'(
En inderdaad, de meeste hollanders zijn waardeloos. Was er ook liever niet geboren. Stuk voor stuk betweters en egoïsten hier, dat blijkt maar weer in deze documentaire :@
patje7 1 year ago
how many survivors on the pan-am?
icebillion 2 years ago
@icebillion 61 peoples
Fredboq 1 year ago
Van Zantem was to blame... for the fina
luckilj 2 years ago
It happen July 1977
palmspeciale 2 years ago
DUDE IN 0:31 THEY SAID NO ONE SURVIVES ON ONE OF THE VIDZ THEY SAID 20% OF THE PAN-AM PASSANGERS SURVIVE!!!!!!!!What is up!
Gavindays 2 years ago
no one in klm plane survived.
yourwrong12 2 years ago
they said all of the KLM-Passengers died
wattnscheissalta 2 years ago
@Gavindays no one survived on the klm, the pan am people survived
wierasa 2 years ago
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ShadowRSonic 1 year ago
TO BIG!!!
taineplane 2 years ago
what a disaster :$ When exactly did it happen ?!:-?
proudvampire 2 years ago
Tenerife Norte Airport, Spain and there were some survivors.
HachikoDog 2 years ago
@proudvampire around the 1980's or 70's
furitloopsproduction 2 years ago
experienced r always make accidents n mistakes. cos of their ego....n they r more careless cos of tht....fresh people always will be carefull b4 any movement, tht's wht happened this f u ckin super ego bitch klm caption. His nasty ego n impatience ended up like this!
anusanthu 2 years ago
@anusanthu lol
furitloopsproduction 2 years ago
2 poor people...!where u guys from? bram n XxMusashi
anusanthu 2 years ago
It's a recreation of the Canary islands crash in the seventies with real aftermath video included.
tryithere 2 years ago
What kind of IDIOTS are you, thinking this might be fake? More then 500 peoples lost theire lives and you idiots think it was fake? Get a life and learn instead of hanging up all day in front of your fucking Playstation or similar crap.
wodanowitz 2 years ago 32
@wodanowitz lick a dick
MrKhawal69 1 year ago
@MrKhawal69 ........ no, I fucked your mama and the result was this pile of shit crap that you see, each time you look in a mirror...... btw... go ahead and fuck your dad's dick you fucking cumbag!
wodanowitz 1 year ago
@wodanowitz i'm with you the Tenerife accident was very real and has the highest deaths in an aviation accident to this very day. those idiots may mean the reconstruction. offcourse the reconstruction isn't real but how stupid to say that all is fake.
23viktor23 1 year ago
Bram Dont Be Stupid Course It Aint Fake Its The Largest Plane Crash In The World
Dan500ful 2 years ago
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is this fake ?
bram372 2 years ago
good question, I think its fake as well. geez get a brain man, does this shit not look like a documentary to you?
XxMusashiYamatoxX 2 years ago
@XxMusashiYamatoxX it is real it happened around the 1980's not that i was there but people told me stories of it
furitloopsproduction 2 years ago
and you believe these stories? well from what you told everyone you certainly do. people do lie dude.
XxMusashiYamatoxX 2 years ago
@XxMusashiYamatoxX so why would they make a documentary about it for nothing? come on think about it
furitloopsproduction 2 years ago
@XxMusashiYamatoxX You're an idiot, this is the biggest aviation disaster in history--very real, very true.
naval8viator 2 years ago
poor people
MrWannabepilot 2 years ago 11
1) Wouldn't the full flaps be anyway set for all take-offs?
2) If he (KLM captain) instead had aborted takeoff the instant he realised he was in the wrong: they might have collided - or not, if the Pan-Am aircraft would therefore have been able to get further out of the way, if not off the runway? Either way, it would have likely meant more survivors - whereas he was trying to get away with everything instead...
LJBSasha 2 years ago
wen did dis happen wot year?
darkooo7 2 years ago
1977
nsgirlskater 2 years ago
were among the survivors, 'ergo' the number of PASSENGERS who survived were 52 (a number yours truly remembers reading about at the time) or less.
LJBSasha 2 years ago
klm captain =cunt
R.I.P to all
gotz999 2 years ago
what a jackass pilot !
sherifbatawy 2 years ago
first officer should have pulled the throtles back them punched him in the mouth before it started to say anything he would have been living with everbody else and could have got another job somewhere else like pan am
Fragile1994 2 years ago 2
what game it was with the Space Shuttle
ALJOSCHA15163 2 years ago
R.I.P everyone..
ThaTechDude 2 years ago 18
RIP all, , godspeed
yamahonkawazuki 2 years ago 2
A bigger lesson for you all - if the weather is snowing, heavy rain, or fog. DON'T BOARD the aircraft. I don't care if you're going to miss an event, or lose your fare, you'll live.
I've skipped flights three times due to weather, and one of those evenings, a plane did go down, killing dozens. Not my flight, but the same area and weather.
You are the final judge.
rockyPants4000 2 years ago 2
i wanna know 1 thing only
How did they get it on cam i mean how did they know it was gonna happen
wouldnt the camera dude die i he was by the pilot filming them?
How did they do it
STORMYKING123 2 years ago
hahahaha, most stupid thing I have ever heard! It's just CGI, remade by computer graphics so we can see what did happen, without actually filming it in real life, it's not 100% identical to the real thing, but from evidence, it's pretty close.
LeeEvansOfficialTour 2 years ago 5
look. this is a reconstruction based on what happened. and the crash was computerised.
thekidtrucker321 2 years ago
It is a reconstruction
hejsannnuuu 2 years ago
Still, an outstanding one that seems to cover pretty well all the bases. Yes, at least 90% of the trouble MUST go to the Dutch captain Jacob Veldhuizen van Zanten.
One question: when an aeroplane's taking off, can it not turn at all (especially if close to being airborne) so as to have another way to avoid such a collision?? Would it's crossing from asphalt/concrete unto grass be so automatically fatal if it's anyway about to lift off (perhaps that could also have avoided the tail-strike)?
LJBSasha 2 years ago
Arrogant piece of shit Captain of KLM.
jl49lo 2 years ago 30
I agree with you on that 1, pilots fault he caused the crash, end of story.
michaelwright999 2 years ago
@jl49lo dont talk shit if you wernt there
GWRtom 1 year ago
@GWRtom hes right. the klm pilot was a fucker
assanoe 1 year ago
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@GWRtom hes right. the klm pilot was a fucker
assanoe 1 year ago
@GWRtom lol whats wrong? he IS a piece of SHIT!
woodshuck 1 year ago
people survive! the copilot and some other people survive.
FLIGHTSIMEXTREME 2 years ago
thats what i heard!
kenersej 2 years ago
Of the Pan Am flight, yes, 56 people survived the collision itself - all on the KLM perished...
LJBSasha 2 years ago
what airport was that?
champsinger 2 years ago 2
Tenerife north (Canary Islands, Spain)
BlackLogicAirlines 2 years ago 2
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"I could hear people screaming" It's the funniest thing Ive ever heard.
michaelmansunii 2 years ago
I've learn a lession about landing at the airport after landed at the airport with out the landing clearance, the tower said, "Landmark 1123 heavy your not clear to land Clear the runway? and till sudenly, I crashed into a small plane head on, well what a great lesson to learn after watching this video
sideslide23 2 years ago
Rip those people.
It was the fault of captian Van Santen.
He took off whitout takke-off clearnce.
How stupid is that guy.
zwelg1 2 years ago
they all died right??
cyrus2392 3 years ago
yup
MikesVideosOnline 2 years ago
no some lived
Qantas747jumb0 2 years ago
are there some uninjured
cubsrule2040 2 years ago
There are 584 persons died! It's 2nd air crash from "Worst air crashes of the World"
Tenerife, Canary Islands
27th of March 1977
RockWolf666 2 years ago
what is the number 1?
gopussycat 2 years ago
9/11
RockWolf666 2 years ago
That doesn't qualify as an aviation disaster on account of its being a terrorist incident done DELIBERATELY to cause as many deaths as possible by Arab-Muslim terrorists - thus it doesn't qualify as anything in the least accidental. The Tenerife incident WAS accidental.
LJBSasha 2 years ago
The accident wasn't caused by terrorist activity. The reason the planes were diverted to the island was because their original airport was closed due to the bomb, but the KLM pilot began take-off roll w/o clearance
SoManyNoTime 2 years ago
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RockWolf666 2 years ago
Only 1 from KLM survived, as she didn't get back on the plane since the island was were she lived. Her friends got back on the plane though.
Some People from the Pam Am planed survived.
remillers 2 years ago 3
Pure and simple. Bad CRM and human error.
BlueAndWhiteZebra 3 years ago
Thankfully the industry does learn from mistakes made, this is a prime example of bad CRM and deviation from SOPs, it is now a standard that when operating from airports in Low Vis conditions, the pilots announce by radio "entering the runway" "rolling" and "airbourne", also monitoring TCAS on take off often (not always) gives clues as to whether someone else is on the runway. Unfortunately, as regards to radios, transmitting at the same time (stepping on) still leads to garbled communications.
tubbystace 3 years ago
the cockiness and arrogance of the dutch captain is disgraceful and would certainly not be tolerated nowadays. unfortunately in aviation, it usually costs more than money for practices and habits to change.
GDOTV1 3 years ago
>"the cockiness and arrogance of the dutch captain is disgraceful "
That is absolutely true - the KLM Captain is a total SOB... in this reconstruction.
But how accurate is it?
A cockpit voice recorder (in 1977) only recorded the previous 30 mins. How can anyone possibly know how the Dutch Captain spoke to other people? How can they know he bawled out the air-stewardess, for example?
There are NO witnesses, everyone on the KLM plane is dead.
Remember - this is a tv drama...
SAHBfan 3 years ago 6
listen, thanks for agreeing with me but I don't need you to tell me that it was a a tv drama smartarse. my opinion was based solely on the last few minutes before the crash. he is a cocky, arrogant shitface for disregarding atc clearance and the professional integrity of his first officer by applying thrust. this is a fact that is plainly on the record with or without a tv drama.
GDOTV1 3 years ago
Captain Van Zantem clearly made a terrible mistake - but there are many theories as to why a man so experienced & highly trained made such an error. There are several books about this crash and many research papers. "cocky, arrogant shitface" may be one possible theory, but read the CRT transcript with an open mind and it doesn't give any clue whether VZ was arrogant or not.
As for calling me names, I would retaliate in true youtube style but I'm afraid I grew out of that a while ago. Sorry.
SAHBfan 3 years ago 10
No need to call people names: I read in Time magazine at the time that the Air-Traffic Controller said to the Dutchman "I shall CLEAR you FOR takeoff". Apparently, the very mention of the word "takeoff" is enough to push some jumpy pilots into thinking that the clearance for takeoff has ALREADY been given - if that happened, that would be a mitigating factor for him.
What does CRM stand for?
LJBSasha 2 years ago
Cockpit Resource Management - In a modern cockpit any member not happy would be able to abort the takeoff - it's team work. It is the opposite of the WW2 cockpit situation, where the pilot is in command of everyone.
But - that assumes that the other two KLM crew believed the Dutch Captain was wrong. According to Paul Roitch of the American investigating team, when the engineer asked "is he not off then, that Pan America?" BOTH pilots replied '"jawel", not just the Captain.
SAHBfan 2 years ago
the KLM captain and the tower is the main reason why this two aircraft crashed.
renzie1176 3 years ago
(It was not the tower the) The tower say to the KLM Captain stay but hi didn't listen. Thats what happend if you don't listen and thats was crazy and sad (583 passenger died because the KLM Captain was and idiot and don't listen)
LilJayIsGood 3 years ago