Well O only got to Green. O handily beat the kid cause he was able to take the blows and follow through with counters that laid the kid down. His technique was good but he couldn't take the blows O delivered. Sifu was in the process of closing his school and opening a private Dojo that only allowed students with experience and signed a clause that allowed him to train in the old ways.
Well said Pecherin. I have been looking for a traditional school in San Diego on and off with no luck. My buddy studied under a sensei(now sifu) that taught Hard Body techniques and used old school methods of training. Read getting beat, lol. He did this in the small park of the apartment complex. At his new school he has to abide by the liability laws so he can't train like he used to. O took me to visit and Sifu made him spare a Black Belt that had a bit of attitude.
@omga14 Do you live in San Diego? Wecan start pushing hands together. I am a pracitioner of Tai CHi myself I live in Mission Valley. Lets get together and practice.
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I have studied with a great teacher from Wutan, it is simply the name of the school/organization founded by Grandmaster Li Yun Chiao to preserve and promote the traditional CMA style he taught.
You cannot be "loyal to the Tao". Only someone who has never read the Tao Te Ching or studied Taoism would make a statement like this.
And LOL even harder at the sheer ignorance in these comments. Some of you people live in a fairy tale.
Schtel has a point, but it's an inappropriate and unnatural point of view for a student. Students should be somewhat enamored of their sifu, and then should become normalized by seeing the humanity in them. But they still owe a debt of gratitude to the sifu, even if they don't look up to them the same way anymore. This is the natural order. People that never leave that never finish the process. But if you start that way, you won't learn anything.
why don't you let him/her speak for him/herself?Being grateful in any real sense is nothing to do with 'loyalty to the Tao' what is this 'wutan'? Secret society? Cult? Martial Art school? I'm curious.Sounds like a lot of self esteem is invested in this 'Tao'.If I am being rude its because I find cult speak alarming..having said that apoligies are due if offence was caused,but like I said let him/her speak for him/herself.Peace.
I have no clue about that part. I was only replying to you in the first line the rest was for the general audience. That's why it's a new paragraph, sorry if that was unclear. However, there's no need to belittle someone's maturity even if they do sound cultish to you. In my estimation, the whole cult-hating fad has a cult tone to it. There's even a book about fearing and hating cults. the author is a right wing extremist and his views sometimes neglect difference in culture. So be careful.
OK,cazart says some parts of the teaching are not given out if a student has is not prepared to put time into the school EVEN if they have 'proved' there loyalty to the Tao,this is what is confusing (to me) which is why I asked for clarification on what 'wutan' is.If 'Tao' was being used to refer to the'way' of their school cazarts' sentence is confusing.Also if 'Tao'is used in a 'Taoist' sense 'proved your loyalty to the Tao is a strange statement.Apologies again for my tone.
'The loyalty to the Tao' was just me poking fun at Schtel's earlier comment (sorry dude).
Anyhows, my point was mainly that Wutan doesn't give out certain aspects of it teaching, ie Bagua without the student first proving loyalty to the school though hard work and dedication.
As for proving your loyal to the tao, I don't think thats even possible to do.
Great video, As far as i am aware no-one in the UK bar Master Wu from Wutan could teach you Bagua (as done by Liu). Traditional Kung Fu (which Wutan teach) is quite an antiquated system of learning so naturally the most important aspects of it are not given out to people who are not prepared to put some time into the school, even if you did prove your loyalty to the Tao.
I think you are probably right. Lui's style is very pure and original. I never asked any one to show me the most important aspects of Bagua, so not quite sure why you used part of my comment to explain what you just did.
Hi Schtel. You said that you had asked a student of Master Wu to teach you Bagua, not an instructor. Wutan instructors must prove themselves to be honourable and trustworthy before they will learn all. 10 years ago many of M. They's 'most loyal' instructors broke away from Wutan and formed their own school. It nearly destroyed the faith M. They had put in his students. Only the most trustworthy of instructors would be given full transmission.
I hear what you are saying, but I do not agree with such an antiquated system of learning. When you look high up to people, it always puts you in a lower position. I met master Wu last year and spiralled energy around him. As far as I'm aware he didn't feel a thing. I guess we are tuned in on different levels. I mix fire and water, I have already proved my loyalty to the tao. I don't feel I need to prove it to individuals.
Reputable schools only accept as students people of good character, humility, commitment and deication. It takes time to find out if a person is suitable to learn the art. Masters don't teach just because you want to learn or can afford to pay. They don't wanna produce half-baked students of thugs. Its not even about sucking them up. Its about you wanting it enough to ask and ask again. I'm always suspicious of teachers who simply teach everything to everyone who joins unreservedly.
How is that a reply to my comment? We no longer live in a time of feudal wars. Most people who do internal martial arts do if for self improvement of character etc. I have a lot of respect for masters of these arts, but like I said, I do not look highly up to them, nor would I suck up to them. We are part of a universal consciousness. Personally I would share anything with anybody who had a good heart. Information belongs to no one. The more open people are, the better this world will be. :)
No one said to suck-up to them. I was thinking more of sincerity and respect. Especially if it was a famous master. In karate, there have been many many people who claim to have learnt from the founding masters, after having learnt the art for a year or two, gone off and started mcdojos and made big bucks, and many karate schools in the world teach watered down stuff to unsuspecting students.
When I switched to IOGKF (it being the only school near me), my sensei scrutinised me carefully and did not confirm me until a year later. He's the best sensei I've had in the 22 years I've learnt karate, but he just didn't want to waste his time teaching some random guy who will give-up after a few years.
I don't dispute what u say about sharing w people w the good heart. Its just hard 2 know who has a good heart and who doesn't. So many people have come to my sensei to ask for a black-belt so that they can teach. Some are TKD, some are Judo or Kung-fu or they train for 6 months and ask be given a belt, & offered to share half their fees with our Sensei. Needless to say, all got turned away. After having taught for more than 50 years, he has just grown more wary of opportunists.
@Pecherin72 thats why many youtube martial arts vids - excepting legit masters of course - are bogus. they never learn properly and just post on youtube to show off.
@Pecherin72 Agreed, my Sifu for example screens and turns away quite a few and then will only teach everything to full apprentices. Not even disciples get quite all of our system, we have to earn everything we are given. That is how it should be, hard work and character earn the master's attention, not one's wallet. *bows* Live well and Train well.
Are you talking about Wu song Fa? If so then there is no point asking any of his students to teach you Bagua, because they won't know the full system.
If you really want to learn then if you live in the Uk join Wutan, which is run by Master They Soon tuan, who is Wu Song Fa's UK representative. Proove that you are loyal, train hard, be patient and he will teach you all he knows. He is a very honourable man.
I have trained with Master Wu, he is direct linege of Liu Yun Chiao. I asked one of his students if he could teach me Bagua Zhang and the answer was 'no' because I am not of any lineage. I think you need to suck up to these guys if you want training. I can't be bothered with all that, so I have taken a trip to China to learn Chen family taijiquan from Chen Bin. Different class of people, but good luck on your quest. Send me an email, I may be able to direct to a list of Master Liu's disciples.
Bajiquan were chosen to serve as bodyguards to the Chinese Emperors. Most where students of Li Shuwen. Such as Huo Diange bodyguard to Pu Yi (the last emperor of China), Li Chenwu bodyguard to Mao Zedong and Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
baji looks nice to ppl. but the energy comes from dantian. this is asia! ppl learn things for survival. Chuck Liddel fighting an asian person with nothing too loose(poor). well just break a finger or poke his eye out squash his ball. end of fight or his grappling career I guess
you may see the hand move rotating especially close to the end. these are influences from Ba Gua.
Ba Ji practiced at Meng Cun area is called old frame and soft frame (Jia Zi); while Ba Ji practiced at Luo Tong area is called hard frame (Yin Jia Zi) that included Li Shu Wen -> Liu.
Grandmaster Liu's system has flourished in the Western hemisphere with former students teaching in Philadelphia (baztaichi.com), New York (wutang.org), Akron, OH (wutangcenter.com), New Jersey (wutan.org), Cupertino, CA (wutangcenter.com), Toronto, Canada (bajimen.org), Montreal, Canada (wutang-canada.com), and Brazil to name a few.
What makes you think he brought Li Shuwen's Baji to another level? He only needed to be half as good as Li to be one of the best MAists of the 20th century.
because you can see the difference between GM Liu's Baji and the current BaJi in China, his baji was influenced by BaKua, Pi Kua, etc. see alot more Ying Yang balance in the transitions.
i don't think the yin yang balance is really visible, unless you mean the rhythm. Cuz his rhythm is definetly very different from chinese baji. But chinese baji differs from each other as well, i wouldn't be so quick to say he's the only one who was influenced by bagua. Almost all chinese baji is influenced by pigua, that's for sure.
thats ok coz liu yun chiao was CHINESE! he fought the japanese and trained the chinese nationalist army in ww2, bein as how he was a general n all!
retreated to taiwan with most of the nationalist forces after the war and sadly passed away in the late 80`s. his students all started their own schools all over the world, mostly using liu yun chiao`s wutan /wudang name as their own. but yes a legend
我只想到 了解中國的 果然是日本人 (意義深長
6022820019 8 months ago
is this real???? shanto sho haow (if not wrong)..... very2 real kungfu master... two thumbs for him.
MrAgusrio 1 year ago
Well O only got to Green. O handily beat the kid cause he was able to take the blows and follow through with counters that laid the kid down. His technique was good but he couldn't take the blows O delivered. Sifu was in the process of closing his school and opening a private Dojo that only allowed students with experience and signed a clause that allowed him to train in the old ways.
omga14 1 year ago
Well said Pecherin. I have been looking for a traditional school in San Diego on and off with no luck. My buddy studied under a sensei(now sifu) that taught Hard Body techniques and used old school methods of training. Read getting beat, lol. He did this in the small park of the apartment complex. At his new school he has to abide by the liability laws so he can't train like he used to. O took me to visit and Sifu made him spare a Black Belt that had a bit of attitude.
omga14 1 year ago
@omga14 Do you live in San Diego? Wecan start pushing hands together. I am a pracitioner of Tai CHi myself I live in Mission Valley. Lets get together and practice.
dekal1 1 year ago
baji quan is badass martial art. Rarely people know it
Takrezz 1 year ago
이서문의 제자 유운초 노사
julybih 1 year ago
he was chinese 007.
suteramarinn 1 year ago 2
like the glasses
flancka 1 year ago
this is chinese not japanese because the subbind is chinese and ba gua is also chinese kung fu
shiryu105 1 year ago
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shiryu105 1 year ago
GM Liu Gekyu at Kenji Manga
Hyper5ZR 2 years ago 16
is that shosu(4.36). oh my god. is real
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ahsanikram 3 years ago
Good lord. Loyalty to the Tao? Lol..just...lol.
I have studied with a great teacher from Wutan, it is simply the name of the school/organization founded by Grandmaster Li Yun Chiao to preserve and promote the traditional CMA style he taught.
You cannot be "loyal to the Tao". Only someone who has never read the Tao Te Ching or studied Taoism would make a statement like this.
And LOL even harder at the sheer ignorance in these comments. Some of you people live in a fairy tale.
PabloM31 3 years ago
I am constantly amazed at the dismal lack of the grasp of proper conduct by so called martial artists.
sifurac 2 years ago
lmao. The great unchanging balance, as if Tao was perfection. People try so hard to sound wise.
micsir888 2 years ago
Interesting does anyone know more about the form he is showing at the end? Looks like it contains a lot of throws and arm locks to me.
defaultpseudonym 3 years ago
look like hou tien baguazhang
emeraldforest 3 years ago
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bailewen 1 year ago
@defaultpseudonym The form he is showing at the end is Baji Lianhuan.
bailewen 1 year ago
cazart321 'prove your loyalty to the tao'? What are you wittering on about? how old are you? 12?
resonance10 4 years ago
he was replying to schtel. Don't be rude.
Schtel has a point, but it's an inappropriate and unnatural point of view for a student. Students should be somewhat enamored of their sifu, and then should become normalized by seeing the humanity in them. But they still owe a debt of gratitude to the sifu, even if they don't look up to them the same way anymore. This is the natural order. People that never leave that never finish the process. But if you start that way, you won't learn anything.
icemanarc 4 years ago
why don't you let him/her speak for him/herself?Being grateful in any real sense is nothing to do with 'loyalty to the Tao' what is this 'wutan'? Secret society? Cult? Martial Art school? I'm curious.Sounds like a lot of self esteem is invested in this 'Tao'.If I am being rude its because I find cult speak alarming..having said that apoligies are due if offence was caused,but like I said let him/her speak for him/herself.Peace.
resonance10 4 years ago
I have no clue about that part. I was only replying to you in the first line the rest was for the general audience. That's why it's a new paragraph, sorry if that was unclear. However, there's no need to belittle someone's maturity even if they do sound cultish to you. In my estimation, the whole cult-hating fad has a cult tone to it. There's even a book about fearing and hating cults. the author is a right wing extremist and his views sometimes neglect difference in culture. So be careful.
icemanarc 4 years ago
OK,cazart says some parts of the teaching are not given out if a student has is not prepared to put time into the school EVEN if they have 'proved' there loyalty to the Tao,this is what is confusing (to me) which is why I asked for clarification on what 'wutan' is.If 'Tao' was being used to refer to the'way' of their school cazarts' sentence is confusing.Also if 'Tao'is used in a 'Taoist' sense 'proved your loyalty to the Tao is a strange statement.Apologies again for my tone.
resonance10 4 years ago
Erm, Sorry for the late reply.
'The loyalty to the Tao' was just me poking fun at Schtel's earlier comment (sorry dude).
Anyhows, my point was mainly that Wutan doesn't give out certain aspects of it teaching, ie Bagua without the student first proving loyalty to the school though hard work and dedication.
As for proving your loyal to the tao, I don't think thats even possible to do.
cazart321 2 years ago
Great video, As far as i am aware no-one in the UK bar Master Wu from Wutan could teach you Bagua (as done by Liu). Traditional Kung Fu (which Wutan teach) is quite an antiquated system of learning so naturally the most important aspects of it are not given out to people who are not prepared to put some time into the school, even if you did prove your loyalty to the Tao.
cazart321 4 years ago
I think you are probably right. Lui's style is very pure and original. I never asked any one to show me the most important aspects of Bagua, so not quite sure why you used part of my comment to explain what you just did.
schtel 4 years ago
Hi Schtel. You said that you had asked a student of Master Wu to teach you Bagua, not an instructor. Wutan instructors must prove themselves to be honourable and trustworthy before they will learn all. 10 years ago many of M. They's 'most loyal' instructors broke away from Wutan and formed their own school. It nearly destroyed the faith M. They had put in his students. Only the most trustworthy of instructors would be given full transmission.
indigodusk 4 years ago 2
I hear what you are saying, but I do not agree with such an antiquated system of learning. When you look high up to people, it always puts you in a lower position. I met master Wu last year and spiralled energy around him. As far as I'm aware he didn't feel a thing. I guess we are tuned in on different levels. I mix fire and water, I have already proved my loyalty to the tao. I don't feel I need to prove it to individuals.
schtel 4 years ago
Reputable schools only accept as students people of good character, humility, commitment and deication. It takes time to find out if a person is suitable to learn the art. Masters don't teach just because you want to learn or can afford to pay. They don't wanna produce half-baked students of thugs. Its not even about sucking them up. Its about you wanting it enough to ask and ask again. I'm always suspicious of teachers who simply teach everything to everyone who joins unreservedly.
Pecherin72 4 years ago 7
How is that a reply to my comment? We no longer live in a time of feudal wars. Most people who do internal martial arts do if for self improvement of character etc. I have a lot of respect for masters of these arts, but like I said, I do not look highly up to them, nor would I suck up to them. We are part of a universal consciousness. Personally I would share anything with anybody who had a good heart. Information belongs to no one. The more open people are, the better this world will be. :)
schtel 4 years ago
No one said to suck-up to them. I was thinking more of sincerity and respect. Especially if it was a famous master. In karate, there have been many many people who claim to have learnt from the founding masters, after having learnt the art for a year or two, gone off and started mcdojos and made big bucks, and many karate schools in the world teach watered down stuff to unsuspecting students.
Pecherin72 4 years ago
When I switched to IOGKF (it being the only school near me), my sensei scrutinised me carefully and did not confirm me until a year later. He's the best sensei I've had in the 22 years I've learnt karate, but he just didn't want to waste his time teaching some random guy who will give-up after a few years.
Pecherin72 4 years ago
I don't dispute what u say about sharing w people w the good heart. Its just hard 2 know who has a good heart and who doesn't. So many people have come to my sensei to ask for a black-belt so that they can teach. Some are TKD, some are Judo or Kung-fu or they train for 6 months and ask be given a belt, & offered to share half their fees with our Sensei. Needless to say, all got turned away. After having taught for more than 50 years, he has just grown more wary of opportunists.
Pecherin72 4 years ago
@Pecherin72 thats why many youtube martial arts vids - excepting legit masters of course - are bogus. they never learn properly and just post on youtube to show off.
bigkittysmile 1 year ago
@Pecherin72 Agreed, my Sifu for example screens and turns away quite a few and then will only teach everything to full apprentices. Not even disciples get quite all of our system, we have to earn everything we are given. That is how it should be, hard work and character earn the master's attention, not one's wallet. *bows* Live well and Train well.
Bastion83 1 year ago
Great vid! I'm competing in a competition dedicated to GrandMaster Liu being put on my Master Tony Yang (a student of Master Liu)
I'll be doing Xiao Ba Ji form among other things, and it was great to see a Grandmaster showcasing the style. Very Inspiring.
Thanks for the great vid!
Variand 4 years ago
Are you talking about Wu song Fa? If so then there is no point asking any of his students to teach you Bagua, because they won't know the full system.
If you really want to learn then if you live in the Uk join Wutan, which is run by Master They Soon tuan, who is Wu Song Fa's UK representative. Proove that you are loyal, train hard, be patient and he will teach you all he knows. He is a very honourable man.
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stereotipKOzz 4 years ago
Any idea who is the direct disciple of Master LIu and where can I learn Baji quan from him.
beautizabo 4 years ago
I have trained with Master Wu, he is direct linege of Liu Yun Chiao. I asked one of his students if he could teach me Bagua Zhang and the answer was 'no' because I am not of any lineage. I think you need to suck up to these guys if you want training. I can't be bothered with all that, so I have taken a trip to China to learn Chen family taijiquan from Chen Bin. Different class of people, but good luck on your quest. Send me an email, I may be able to direct to a list of Master Liu's disciples.
schtel 4 years ago
Bajiquan were chosen to serve as bodyguards to the Chinese Emperors. Most where students of Li Shuwen. Such as Huo Diange bodyguard to Pu Yi (the last emperor of China), Li Chenwu bodyguard to Mao Zedong and Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
chiuansheng 4 years ago
my teacher actually learned baji from this master.
rancho68 4 years ago
power! !
cahbasm 4 years ago
baji looks nice to ppl. but the energy comes from dantian. this is asia! ppl learn things for survival. Chuck Liddel fighting an asian person with nothing too loose(poor). well just break a finger or poke his eye out squash his ball. end of fight or his grappling career I guess
illyong 4 years ago
Awesome music, Baji is cool.
WarriorBoy 5 years ago
Wonder what would happen if this dude fought Chuck Liddel ....LOL.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid people.
1980jlifts 5 years ago
Maybe the question you should be asking is what is Chuck Liddel tried xingyi?
deepbluec777 5 years ago
you're kind of a retard aren't you?
Persecutus 4 years ago
I saw HIM
chynchen 5 years ago
Awesome videos, do you have more on Grandmaster Liu?
pow125wt 5 years ago
In the Ba Ji Lian Hua;
you may see the hand move rotating especially close to the end. these are influences from Ba Gua.
Ba Ji practiced at Meng Cun area is called old frame and soft frame (Jia Zi); while Ba Ji practiced at Luo Tong area is called hard frame (Yin Jia Zi) that included Li Shu Wen -> Liu.
Thank you so much for posting.
northpine 5 years ago
Could've been better if with more strength.
theshadowboy607 5 years ago
Well, you gotta remember, he's like, 80 years old, so power is a little much to ask for ^^;
supuhfly 4 years ago
Grandmaster Liu's system has flourished in the Western hemisphere with former students teaching in Philadelphia (baztaichi.com), New York (wutang.org), Akron, OH (wutangcenter.com), New Jersey (wutan.org), Cupertino, CA (wutangcenter.com), Toronto, Canada (bajimen.org), Montreal, Canada (wutang-canada.com), and Brazil to name a few.
starbits632 5 years ago
any translations on the Japanese audio?
sithrising 5 years ago
damn whats the name of that city with the lion statue at the beginning thats where li shu wen came from right.
knoxiuz 5 years ago
whoever owns the right to these rare clips must have made lot sof money off the japanese Chinese Martial Arts lovers
bajiking 5 years ago
I am very proud to belong to Grand Master Liu Yuen Chiao wutan linage. This video it's awesome!
pachimen 5 years ago
Me too :D Who's your master?
supuhfly 4 years ago
he is a chinese!!!
kikich 5 years ago
Video recording is truly a miracle. I'd have never been able to see Liu Yun-Chiao in action without it.
coreysomething 5 years ago
this is the guy who brought Li Shu-Wen BaJi Quan to another level! legend!
bajiking 5 years ago
What makes you think he brought Li Shuwen's Baji to another level? He only needed to be half as good as Li to be one of the best MAists of the 20th century.
onyomi 5 years ago
because you can see the difference between GM Liu's Baji and the current BaJi in China, his baji was influenced by BaKua, Pi Kua, etc. see alot more Ying Yang balance in the transitions.
bajiking 5 years ago
i don't think the yin yang balance is really visible, unless you mean the rhythm. Cuz his rhythm is definetly very different from chinese baji. But chinese baji differs from each other as well, i wouldn't be so quick to say he's the only one who was influenced by bagua. Almost all chinese baji is influenced by pigua, that's for sure.
ace52387 5 years ago
this guy is a LEGEND! but i don't know japanese...
realdealctbadboy 5 years ago
thats ok coz liu yun chiao was CHINESE! he fought the japanese and trained the chinese nationalist army in ww2, bein as how he was a general n all!
retreated to taiwan with most of the nationalist forces after the war and sadly passed away in the late 80`s. his students all started their own schools all over the world, mostly using liu yun chiao`s wutan /wudang name as their own. but yes a legend
sengokou 5 years ago