Georgian and Corsican Polyphony. Similarity.

[irakliracha]

it goes to my favourites!

[irakliracha]

ასე თუ გავდა ვერც წარმოვიდგენდი, კორსიკული რომ დაიწყო, მეგონა კახური სიმღერა იყო :))

[SvedskiKuvar]

Find "ojkača", "ojkavica", "orzanje". It is music of Balkan. It is very similar to music of Georgia and Corsica.

[sergocusiani]

karoche ra! vints ambobs, karthuli xalxuri simghera ara hgavs korsikus, zustad egeni amboben baskuri ena ara hgav qarthuls. ai, thu ara hgavs: ur (baskurad da dzvel qarthulad tzyalia; lo - baskurad dzili, q.-logini), ashur - b. batkani, shuri -dzv.q.tsxvari; pipril -b.perpli; apal - b.dabali...

[BPGvideo]

კორსიკელების ნათესაობა ქართველებთან გენეტიკის დონეზეა დამტკიცებული... -- რაც შეეხება ბასკებს -- მათთან არავითარი ნათესაობა არ არსებობს...

[AyeOldSponge]

ქართული თუ იცით, ინგლისურად ნუ წერთ.

სირცხვილია.

[kavkasia]

As for the singing, there is certainly some similarity in the fact that the two styles are both ornamented. However, the style of ornamentation is quite different, with the voices following different protocol for movement. In my opinion, we are saying that the apple is like the orange. Well, in some ways it is - but in the most important ways, it is not. Let's give each of these two beautiful traditions credit for being a unique art form rather than trying to put them in the same category.

[AyeOldSponge]

@kavkasia Truly apple and orange are similar. For both apple and orange were created by God.

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, you must have had bananas in your years when listening to these songs. Or like armenians you are so much accustomed to unisonic songs that you refer to polyphony with animosity.

[kavkasia]

@sergocusiani I don't have "bananas" in my ears, and I know what I'm talking about. Neither of us can prove that there's a link, or that there isn't. I've studied Georgian ornament extensively for more than 20 years and I know how it works. I've also studied Corsican, and yes, there are similarirites - but there are also key differences, like the melodic structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement.

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, any of the 2 individuals within the same pack of chimpazee have less similarity in their genes, than any of the 2 individuals of human race, historically living on opposite sides of the globe.

Fortunately, neither chimps nor human being care about their "structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement".

[kavkasia]

@sergocusiani Ask a serious musician or musicologist about this phrase which seems so useless to you: "structure..." and see which "humans" don't care. It's clear to me that you're only interested in your opinion, and not in reality. I'll kindly leave this forum and leave you to your preferences, as I don't really believe in using insults as a way of communication.

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, SERIOUS MUSICOLOGISTS. I remember, one of them was truing to persuade the audience as if blues and rock&roll music "deserve no credit to be played on piano".

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, If your study of "melodic structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement" fails, you should change the theory.

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, Hypotheses with some generality, which survived initial testing, become well established theories or "paradigms". They are immune to rejection even if subsequent testing may find evidences against them. A few negative results are used to refine the paradigm to make it continue to fit all available evidence.

It is only when the negative evidence becomes overwhelming that the paradigm is rejected and replaced by a new one.

So, go and change you 20 years old prejudices.

[kavkasia]

@sergocusiani And frankly, I've had my fill of Georgians singing Corsican songs with Kakhetian ornaments - or Corsicans singing Georgian songs with Corsican ornaments - and saying, "See - they're practically the same!" They're just not. If you really know Kakhetian singing, you'll know instantly that hearing a Kakhetian song with Corsican ornaments is just wrong.

[AyeOldSponge]

@kavkasia Listen to Corsican singing, then.. SAme thing

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, your 20 years old experience in existent study of Georgian ornamental music is accumulated from to 1 year of cramming multiplied by 20.

Georgian and Corsican songs in present performance has passed thousands of years of isolation and independent development. Nevertheless, even your book worm suggestions go broke.

Roots of Iberian culture goes back to 8000 years. What are 20 years of mistaken experience compared to that?

[kavkasia]

I don't know of any linguists who currently support the connection between Basque and Georgian languages. It was a popular idea for awhile, but not enough concrete evidence, and for the most part, both Basque and Georgian scholars now agree that there is no link.

[AyeOldSponge]

@kavkasia Linguists? I know some excellent professors, that do, however truly you are right, that there is not enough concrete evidence. However a very important trait of Basque and Georgian similarity is similarity of grammar in these two languages and I mean not only the ergative constructions...

[sergocusiani]

Why is it, names of villages, places, hills, rivers, etc., in many places of West Iberia (Spain, France) sound like Georgian (East Iberian) names? And not only sound, but can be found in Georgian language. Like Mount Archanda near Bilbao.

Pardon, you may say:"Well, based on some approach to ornamental combination of letters, they may look similar, but if one reads it from the point of view of my 20 years old persisting experience in linguistics, they may not".

[sergocusiani]

@kavkasia, During last 20 years, I had met parquet-floor geologists, surveyors, engineers, even parquet floor politicians. But parquet-floor musician I have met for the first time.

[Tobuldar]

wonderful voices and incomparable polyphony!

[OrangeAni]

Very interesting comparison :) Those sound similar :)

[cccpninakias]

the minoans the sicilians and corsicans- the ancient iberians (basques) and georgians might even be the same civilization ! the first european people !

[AyeOldSponge]

@cccpninakias Minoan roots come from Pelasgians. Pelasgians themselves are close to Ibero-Caucasian people.

[cccpninakias]

@AyeOldSponge dude tell me more info cause is really hard to find these things in internet !!

[AyeOldSponge]

@cccpninakias the whole thing is that they found a phaistos disk that had some unknown symbols on it. One Georgian scholar read it with old Georgian script, Asomtavruli I guess. The disc belongs to Minoyans. Make conclusions...If a Minoyan disk had Georgian scripts than most probably these two were linked. And it is very possible that Minoyans and Georgians had similar alphabets just like albanian caucasians and Georgians in Caucasus

[AyeOldSponge]

@cccpninakias u also from cyprus? :D lol

[cccpninakias]

@AyeOldSponge no i am in cyprus 2 months i came here from crete !!

[AyeOldSponge]

@cccpninakias :D

[cccpninakias]

@AyeOldSponge there is a scholar named Gia Kvashilava he proved in the international history conference in london that the DISK OF PHAISTOS was writen in ancient kartvelian/colchian languege!!! thats more then enough to prove that there is a conection between pelasgians and kartvelians,not only this he also showed that minoans were influenced by colchians its more and more but you can search and find it by yourself

[vaso442]

@cccpninakias basques , iberians and spanish iberians have same blood

[MrRezzi]

yes it's very similar.