@MilitaryArcade You may have a point there but a soldier isn't always a guy in uniform...you write tunes about revolution...whose gonna fight them for you? One man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter (just ask George Washington.....) and sometimes you have to fight...wish it wasn't that way because I'm a big ole' hippy who doesn't wanna hurt anybody :)
But I see where you are coming from. I guess what i was originally trying to say was that if you're stupid enough to join an army of people dying just so a fat ass politician can continue to brainwash an entire nation, than why should we respect them?
But hey, i guess alot of people don't see it that way, maybe i'm being a little too ignorant.
I often feel the press have a lot to answer for. Every soldier who dies in service becomes 'a hero' and i'm not belittling that but the sense of anger and injustice it causes that 'one of ours' got killed in uniform is often a little bit OTT for me. If you join up, they give you a gun for a reason. its not all skiing in the alps and building wells in Africa. Soldiers fight and sadly soldiers die, it's hard to take when they die 'for nothing' or for control of oil though.....
R.I.P Stewart, thank you from me, and i am sure many fans alike, for the many memories you gave us through your music and lyrics. May god be looking after you where you are now
lets face it the only oppressed ppl are the whites,only whites can be racist lol its us that are endangered,too many worthless ppl in world needy hands always out ,feed them lol nuter them, end of the problem in 1 generation :) sorry if i offended but itd the truth xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
talkin about the song here. Justice has what place in Humanity. Sound Alarm Bells..School bell rings.. off you u go with only ur Peers to impress, good luck
Why are all the comments war based? What about the fantastic music here? You have to savour this because the music of now is utterly rubbish! I <3 big country all the way!
It is really good music. in '88, when I was overseas (Persian Gulf...go figure!), I had a bootlegged tape of their greatest hits....the tape has the 12" Wonderland on it, All Fall Together, East of Eden, Teacher....I love the sound.
Point two is that Islamofascists see the peaceniks as 'useful fools', and would exterminate all of them in order to ensure the order of the caliphate. I don't understand how this is so hard to understand, after all the news coverage of people getting their heads sawed off. The jihadists will kill or enslave you no matter if you agree with fighting them or not...they will kill or enslave you because you're not exactly like them. Boil it all down, and that is why we must fight and defeat them.
@jcross1kirk - Islamofascist?so which religious or political group is that then? or is it just a term used by media war hounds to add the religion of islam to the political act of fascism? I saw the news coverage of heads sawn off - disgusting practice by bad people....I also saw Abu Graib footage too...disgusting practice by bad people - add to that footage never shown on American TV of the devastation and human carnage caused by 'shock and awe'...and your point is?
@CarlBewley This is my point. The people that did what they did at Abu Graib were taken into custody, tried for their crimes, and punished by an impartial law based on common law and shared civic ideals. The people who sawed the heads off of their prisoners were held up as heroes by their peers. There's your difference, and that is why the peaceniks are dead wrong in their assertion of moral equivalency.
I would also read about the history of the Ba'ath and current Iranian governments.
The Ba'ath Party that ran Iraq (and still runs Syria) was created from 1930's Fascism. They are not religious leaders per se, but they use the rules and culture of Islam to further their power. Hence 'Islamofascists', as opposed to 'Nazis'.
Remember...they (the Islamofascists) want to reestablish the Caliphate and they will kill, lie, cheat, and trick the gullible in the West until they succeed. Thet will culturally debase us and overthrow us if they can't beat us militarily.
@jcross1kirk - Yeh and that Ba'ath party was toppled by Saddam Hussein (with America's help). And what did Osama Bin Laden have to do with Iraq? Nothing. No Al Quaeda in Iraq until AFTER he was toppled. So again, the islamofascists you fear are....where exactly? Nothing but splinter terrorist groups that hate the West, and why shouldn't they? for every atrocity they have caused 'us' - we have equalled or bettered....swings and roundabouts my friend....
@CarlBewley Carl, Saddam Hussein WAS the Ba'ath Party in Iraq. He killed a few hundred thousand of his countrymen because they were Kurds or Sh'ia or otherwise different than he was. And this moral equivalency thing...please. Al Qaeda and their ilk want to kill or enslave ALL of us....what part of that is so hard to understand? They kill Muslims for not being strict enough, women for driving or trying to enjoy what we wound consider human rights...they are the enemies of civilization.
@jcross1kirk Well I suppose it depends on whether you believe in this worldwide shadowy organisation called Al Quaeda or whether you think it's media nonsence created so America could have a visible enemy to fight....Yes there are terrorist groups but all under one big umbrella? nope not buying that, America cant justify theft and destruction with a faceless enemy....and the Iraqi Ba'ath party was a splinter group opposed to Syria - thats what Sadaam and co fought to remove....
@CarlBewley ...meaning Saddam led a nationalist Iraqi Ba'ath party against Syria - Iran/Iraq wars...can't claim to know much about it though, only the little I've read on it....
@jcross1kirk You are right, but liberals and others like them are too stupid to understand the dangers of this world. LIberals are enemies of their own countries. Remember these are the type of people who talk to animals and think gays are normal humans. just because they were born that way. well so are pedophiles and serial killers. islam will use liberals to commit suicide of their nations.
I think your statement is mostly correct (I disagree with the 'gay' part of it as I think homosexuality is predominantly hardwired into someone's makeup). Liberals, as defined by the current American lexicon, are elitists of the worst kind. They are so arrogantly sure of their correctness and open-mindedness that they are blind to pragmatic truths like what is shown by Islamofascism. Think Neville Chamberlain....
@jcross1kirk - American Lexicon wow, would like to see aprinted copy of this book (!) As for Chamberlain, I think you'll find he was a Conservative. An appeaser yes, but his inaction in the name of peace wasn't a catalyst for anything that followed. Hitler was going to war anyway whether it was smashing Czechoslovakia or invading Poland....as an American, you should know better than anyone that no one wanted another war in '39. I mean, you stayed out of it long enough did you not?
The war in '39...well, it was 30 years before I was born....;) That being said, yes, the United States wanted to remain neutral, but the Germans and the Japanese kind of put the kabash on that.
Here's my point...peace is a great ideal, but it is only attained through deterrance and strength in this day and age. Why? Because the leaders and societies around the globe don't share our belief system. Jihadists think war is proper.
To continue, the jihadists and Islamofascists desire war as a way to fulfill their religious and political ends. We in the Anglosphere see war as a moral affront. I certainly don't have a favorable opinion of war, but I do not believe it is an eternally wrong state. Sometimes, war is justified (WWII, for example). Terrible, I agree, but justified. This might be too close to the jihadist pont of view, in your opinion, but the difference is that we don't desire the state of war.
@jcross1kirk p.s. Agreeing with anything chitown1966 says is ironic, as he displays classic fascist symptoms......avoid, avoid, avoid....I've no problem debating with you as at least you make an argument...but 'his kind' are dangerously ignorant and he's got more in common with islamic extremists than he'd care to admit......
@CarlBewley hmm it's the idiot liberals who call white males rednecks but hate the word nigger, how ironic. and its the liberals who support the facist muslims over American Soldiers. you trash
@chitown1966 - I dont support either thanks. American troops dying for oil is as disgusting as suicide bombers blowing up towers......you should all grow up. Oh and a big P.S - how can you put the word 'nigger' and 'redneck' in the same context...as a 'redneck, you didn't suffer hundreds of years of oppression and cruelty - you actually caused most of it....no sympathy trailer park boy....none at all.....
@CarlBewley NIgger and Redneck are both degrading to a race. and not all niggers today suffered under the treatment you so badly fantasize in your little traitorous brain. Look around today there are rich niggers and White rednecks. You being a libtard probaly think all Whites are rich and have some special rights. You need to grow up and if you like blacks and niggers so much move to harlem or chicago and see if you are welcomed in their neighborhood. yeah thats what I thought.
@chitown1966 - bit of a long way for me to go from England......but thanks for the invite. You're a nasty piece of work chitown......I hope you enjoy living with yourself and your ignorance, I doubt anyone else can for too long....big kiss and a hug, love you xxxx ;)
There are some principles that he is right on, namely the fact that liberals (as defined in this thread) have a antipathy to the nation-state and patriotism in particular. I disagree with his opinions on gays and I think he oversimplfies the argument about why liberals are incorrect in their worldview where politics and morality are concerned. I have experiences in my history that have pointed me to this opinion about the Islamofascists and the peace movement. That's just me.
@chitown1966 - It's not very often I lose my temper but your astounding ignorance has me reeling. I'm a liberal but it doesn't stop me thinking of you as an ignorant prick.....When you grown a brain come back and join the discussion, until then, get back to your deer hunting...redneck...
Nice song. That being said, those people that want peace at all costs are the ones that lead us to war. Neville Chamberlain, anyone? You cannot impose your ideals be it about economics, peace, war, or God, on another culture or there is friction. Why would the peaceniks of the West fail to understand jihadists' need to reestablish the caliphate and exterminate the center of democratic liberalism? Because the peacenicks arrogantly assume the Islamofascists see right and wrong like they do.
No nation should impose their ideals on other cultures. Live and let live is my philosophy as a liberal. As a muslim, I assure you that even from extremists among us, we're NOT seeking to exterminate Western Liberalism. We don't hate the West (as the media would have you believe) and value liberty. Don't you think the recent violence which has sadly occurred against the West may have been provoked REactions and in REsponse to the afront from the West against Muslim states?
Define 'Affront'. Classic liberalism supports free speech and noninterference between government and the individual, between religion and the state, and between business and government. I would agree that many people all over the world share the same deisres....economic and social freedom, the security of being able to produce wealth and provide for their families, and a safe and solid infrastructure. But that can't exist without the commonwealth agreeing to defend those things.
That requires the creation of a force that enforces the agreed-to principles of the body politics and preserves their private property, and the wealth they are able to produce. Internally, that is called a police force. The security force that is created to protect the commonwealth from external threats is the army/navy, etc. I would also agree that wars of aggression are improper, but wars that are defensive or just are proper and sometimes necessary. Hence, I'm not anti-war.
@IqbalHamid History speaks for itself and we in the West know full well the muslim pass in Spain, France and in the Balkans. We know what is going on with our Christian brothers in some muslim countries.
@CarlBewley Remember one summer in the mid 80s, after me and the lads listening to Steeltown non stop from morning to dawn for two months... then the girls started to ask "Hey boys, can we listen to something else sometimes, perhaps...?"
Just like ca139hvy tells "Freedom isn't free" something to think about for those who are not thinking about the army. We couldn't listen to music like this if our ancestors hadn't put their lives at stake in the past.
@101327 ...yours or someone elses? how free are the Iraqi's and Afghans now?? You shouldn't claim people who don't believe in killing other people to be 'free' aren't rational. That's just crazy talk....
Remember one summer in the mid 80s, after me and the lads listening to Steeltown non stop from morning to dawn for two months... then the girls started to ask "Hey boys, can we listen to something else sometimes, perhaps...?"
Just like ca139hvy tells "Freedom isn't free" something to think about for those who are not thinking about the army. We couldn't listen to music like this if our ancestors hadn't put their lives at stake in the past.
@ca139hvy Remember one summer in the mid 80s, after me and the lads listening to Steeltown non stop from morning to dawn for two months... then the girls started to ask "Hey boys, can we listen to something else sometimes, perhaps...?"
Just like ca139hvy tells "Freedom isn't free" something to think about for those who are not thinking about the army. We couldn't listen to music like this if our ancestors hadn't put their lives at stake in the past.
@plowe2 - the album isn't. I think this track was given it had a map of the Falklands on the single cover but the album Steeltown is not themed. Ta Carl
@CarlBewley - sorry - yes - I meant 'Where the rose is sown' - I remember it well and the Falklands War - i marched against that and 25 years later the stupid Iraq disaster
@hibeegirl17 - Actually he was inspired to write it about the Falklands . . thats why the original single cover has the falkland islands on it - although I'm sure he used it as anti war sentiment in general for any conflict. In an interview Stuart said he got the inspiration from seeing a young sailor going home on the train during the conflict.
@CarlBewley Oh Ok i didnt know that...i was only 13 when the falklands war started but i now have a husband thats fought in Iraq and Afgan..and many more and i take my hat off to the men that have the guts to go and fight!!!
@hibeegirl17 - i was 11! Agree with you, glad some men (amd women these days) have it in them to take arms in a world that requires armies. Personally and ideally would prefer no wars but thats never gonna happen. Kudos to your other half for fighting the good fight (sincerely). Stay alive!
Wow! interesting how no one here even mentions Big Country the band playing the song...just propaganda and the same sick pissed off anger towards each other...no talking just trying to hate the other......love the song..
@Alarmer68guns - I know, I made the video because I love the band and love the sentiment . . . . it still gets missed by chest thumpers and modern day imperialists.......
@Alarmer68guns would like to say that what brought me to this song was me and my big brother going to see Big Country at the Hammersmith Apollo London in 1989...just added comments because its now relevent to my life and not anti war or propaganda...loved and still love Stuart Adamsons music xx
The world never learns , and the governments make the same - intentional? - mistakes time and again time after time. There will be no peace in our time.
@James13838 - has it escaped your attention that I posted my comment as long time before that pillock Cameron started firing bombs anywhere (I'm english not american) Has it further escaped your notice that Fox News is an American channel? Its a right wing loaded propaganda channel ran by Rupert Murdoch, it keeps rednecks and religious idiots happy....you'd love it. Now stick that up your arse 'brother' :)
Air/missle attacks on Libya tonight, once again for the 4th time in my adult life this song was in my head as fighting again began in a land of sand.............
doesn't every soldier (of all wars) wish to be buried (if the worst happens) where the rose id sown? the world war cemeteries (both wars to end all wars) are peaceful places to catch your breath and contemplate the stupidity and utter waste of war. every politician who thinks war is the only way to solve a problem should be made to visit one of these cememteries. you never know it might just chancge a mind.
No WMD...wow...it's amazing how so many people know that all long, yet never said it with such conviction till...AFTER the invasion. I have been in the U.S Forces for 28 years...since I was 17...I have spent almost 6 years of my life in the Mid-East prior to 9/11 because of Sadaam, but ya know...he never had anything...gee wiz...you should have spoken up sooner bradyirishguy...I might have seen my kids more and my country might not be in so much debt. Can't wait for NATO to end.
@fordwk On a small forum, I raised the point that the claims of WMD seemed questionable at best at the time. I was essentially told that I was a traitor, that I should support the President, that I hated the troops, and that I should save it for the elections, when I could vote against the soldiers. Dogpiled by people I thought were friends.
I can't speak for bradyirishguy's experience, but I found that it doesn't do much good to speak my opinion if nobody wants to listen.
@dornbeast - You should always speak your mind mate and remind 'those people' that you are exercising your democratic right, a right the USA constanty shouts about (to the point of annoyance) . Bush pursued an illegal war and speaking out against it is not speaking against the troops. This ramped up, misplaced and ignorant patriotism is dangerous and ugly. Challenging it vocally is a start!
Let me guess....you are a Liberal Obama supporter that thinks trees are more important than people and that Hitler was just miss understood, and we (the US) should have stayed out of that war too right???
@James13838 - it's spelt 'misunderstood'. Easier to debate if you can spell properly. Liberal? Yes and proud.
Obama supporter? Well yes but only because Bush was such a dangerous nutcase. Hitler was a nutcase too and was held to account for his crimes. Unlike Bush. We (the US) doesn't work for me, I'm English. WW2 cannot be compared to the war crimes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Stop preaching, stop pigeon holing people and stop watching Fox news. Open your eyes before it's too late.
Well said Carl. I too am an English Liberal and proud of it. Only in the US could such a great word as Liberal be bandied about as an insult by the NeoCons.
@James13838 - p.s quite fond of trees, but actually do prefer people . . well the decent ones who don't believe kiiling for oil, god or government is a good thing . . . . .
Let me guess....you are a Liberal Obama supporter that thinks trees are more important than people and that Hitler was just miss understood, and we (the US) should have stayed out of that war too right???
@fordwk - you complain about peoples attitude to wmds (fictional) then go and make a comment about ending NATO - as if thats the reason you were in the Middle East? I have some news for you, NATO didn't want the US or UK to invade Iraq and i'm sure NATO did not sanction US special forces bouncing around the middle east prior to it either. dont look beyond your own government for someone to blame. . . .
@fordwk There is something that you do not know. I was amazed as it unfolded before me. It was in early November a full year before our forces went into Baghdad. In Birmingham Michigan in the quad around the coffee shops and movie theaters I was sitting with martial arts friends and a small squarish man with an interpreter close by who spoke both his Russian and my English.
@fordwk Across the quad were secret service or CIA with those coiled white wires coming out of their lapels and into their suits at the collar. I joked to him just to add something to the conversation. I am not a martial artist but Here was an ex- KGB Lt. Col that was only allowed in the United States for 48 hours talking with us. He is the leader or primary instructor of Systema karate.
@fordwk Which by the way IS superior to all forms of karate except Tai Chi. Anyway I posed a question to him through his interpreter. I asked in a joking manner what he thought of our troops going into Afghanistan where his country was kicked out of and also was now going into Iraq to take away Husein's WMD's. His return was a deep guttural laugh, then through the interpreter he said "I trained all those people!"
@fordwk I asked of course what did he mean by that then he replied "Speznost, (the black ops unit of the old soviet union), ...I trained all of them and by the way they will remove all the WMD's out of Iraq before your country sends it's troops in. Since we know you will make a massive build up of your troops in Iraq Speznost will wait for a solar flare to knock out your spy satellites for 49 hours,
@fordwk - because both nations use the same people to make all their satellites, Korea. Anyway once they are knocked out Speznost will use 4 747's and ten 707's to take out the equipment and weapons." I scoffed at this then yes our troops went in and like you said found nothing. then two years later I was watching C-SPAN 3 about 4 o:clock in the morning. I work midnights so I am up at that time anyway.
@fordwk I heard this guy who was promoting some book and rattled off his name quickly. He then said he had broken the Tikrit dialect code of Iraqi and had translated Saddam's tapes. It seems old Saddam had the same kind of memory as Richard Nixon and made tape recordings because he could not remember what he was talking about the previous week.
@fordwk Anyway he talked about 4 747's and ten 707's landing in Syria and at the time the CIA analyst had not idea where these planes had come from but all of them were fire engine red hot with radiation. As seen from the spy satellite when it came back on after a 49 hour solar flare knocked it out. I was transfixed and tried to find out who this guy was. Mr. Rybianko had gone back to Toronto and my friend Mr. Popacich had gone back into teaching Systema in Birmingham two year ago.
@fordwk I could not find the transcripts of the show since they used numbers instead of content to describe the shows. Now I know what I was told is true unfortunately it will be eighty years from now when the CIA might release what Mr. Rybianko told me that warmish November night, through the freedom of information act. The CIA analyst's name I don't have either, but I was told was what going to happen six months before it did and given a play by play of how and by whom!
@fordwk You will get your wish becuase the Muslim Brotherhood that spawned both Al Quaida and Osama Bin Laden is also the group that has taken over Egypt, and is the core of rebels fight Qaddafi in Libya. Also there are more moslems in Germany than Germans. And a giant population of them in both France and England. So yes NATO will be destroyed and so will anything in Europe that even remotely talks about Christianity or the church.
@fordwk That will include all the churches and all the history books in Europe will be destroyed as if they never had existed at all. Europe will become ruled by Sharia law, then people here in the United States will allow Sharia law to become our government as well. But thanks for fighting thank you for serving. I am too old the army won't take me.
@DanPat121 there was a great version they were playing on stage having a great time but it was not live did any one see this and where did it go it was excelent long live bc
I'm not sure this is an anti-war song. It just seems to me as if Stuart wrote it as if someone with a somewhat apprehensive and slightly optimistic point of view towards going into war was talking. Nothing in the song made me think it was saying war is bad, even though it doesnt need to be said.
@bradyirishguy - Well thats your view. A little naive I think though, Stuart was not one who displayed 'optimism' for war in any way - in any of his songs, interviews or live shows . . . . There's an irony to every line in this song that I believe you may have missed. Stuart said he wrote this after seeing a sailor on the train at the start of the Falklands war . . . theres a feeling of futility in it, not optimism.
Just my opinion - and nobody is behaving like a 'dick'
@CarlBewley Ok, so optimism wasnt the right word. "Sons of men who stand like gods, we give life to feed the cause, and run to ground our heathen foe." does display some type of optimism, in that he is a part of the effort to end it. I wasnt talking about Stuart having an optimism towards war, I was talking about the man who the song is about, because Stuart is good at writing in points of view of others . i.e Come Back 2me
I can see what you're saying, and I think we are both right in a way
@bradyirishguy - 'heathen foe' - at times of war, nations portray their enemies as godless and cruel stirring misplaced patriotism in young men to fight and I think Stuarts lyric reflects that . Giving life to feed the cause is hardly, when you really think about it, a worthy and noble sacrifice. Nobody should 'die' for a damn flag - ever. The 'cause' of war is never made by those fighting it is it? Agree to disagree I think, the song is what it is to each of us. Stay Alive :)
@CarlBewley Yeah, I'm familiar with wartime stuff like that. As much as everyone thinks no one should die for a flag, it is, however a very brave and selfless action to give your life so that others may be free. I'm sure our difference in view has a lot to do with age, I'm 16 and have a glorious, patriotic view towards fighting with brothers to keep the homeland free. I know view changes with age ( i'm not calling you old!)
@bradyirishguy - lol i am old (well . . . i'm 37 so getting on a bit) I understand the sentiment Brady and hop ethat one da y(hopefully soon before you enlist!) you realise most o fthese wars aren't about defending our freedom. Iraq had nothing whatsoever ot do with 9/11. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Yet Bush still invaded and cost many US and UK soldiers lives over oil. SImple as that - that is not worth dying for or losing a limb over.
Well I guess I am old too. 38 Iraq was over money and oil ; Afganistan is too. Samolia was over coper and dimonds. Spent 6 years in the US Marines was in the Gulf war #1 and Samolia can't say the other places. Hate to break anyones pipe dreams. It sucks to watch your buddies die and for some coperations making blood profits. There is no glorie in being a warrior now. Watch Zeitgeist Addemdum.
I am participating in a global movement. Did you watch Zeitgiest Addendum and educate yourself. So if you know why we are over in Iraq tell me. Did you server over there? I did, and it is over Traid and Oil. You probibly think people from Afganistan flew air force jets into the big bank buildings. How about the therd building that fell. How did that happen. So many so ignorant of the facts like you.
Well said. But I can tell you where the real battle is. The real battle is with the finance capitalists that profit from blood money, the ones financing these damned wars. The power elite that live off the blood of innocent men and and children. They are the ones responsible, certainly not the average fighting man.
I hold these people in utter contempt and out right disdain. I hate the ground they walk upon, the untold misery that they have caused....only God knows for sure.
@CarlBewley I agree,politicians start wars.I write as a hobby only, but I wrote a song some yrs back called "Toys For Men".I put in on because of the shit happening around the world.Just one voice pissed off with politics and corruption
If you take this and "Come back to me" as one song, which it really is, I'd say it's pretty much an anti-war song. It venerates those who fight while condemning those who glibly send young men to die without thought of going themselves.
It also speaks metaphorically about the daily battles we all must face.
In any event it's a beautiful poem and a great song. Steeltown is such a great album and there will never be a band the likes of this.
Once again Carl, you have carefully selected an outstanding array of images which compliment a Big Country classic track perfectly. For me, the outstanding line has always been "If I die in a combat zone, box me up and ship me home, if I die and still come home, lay me where the rose is sown." Excellent work by Big Country and yourself. 10/10.
I plan on being an Army Ranger at some point in my life. Should I ever acheive this, I know it will be because this very song will help me through everything.
@billy19891 Show me your evidence from an alternate universe where Europe did not shove its way in to every other country it could, and chaos resulted from the lack, and I'll accept your argument. Otherwise, let's leave alternate history to the science fiction people.
@billy19891 - Quite a few people in the Middle East, Asia and South America that might disagree with there. World War 2 - Yep, give you that one (although the USA did not do that alone despite what they might think) but since then? More of an interference/nuisance/dangerous cause of - than anything else. Sorry, but that's my opinion :/
The reason a relatively few people around the world find the US to be a "nuisance/interference",is that they can't go to another country,land or people and simple take,rape,plunder,steal or crush them.The US and our friends in the UK will administer justice and stop these international terrorists and simple thugs.Gaddafi,Idi Amin,Hussein..etc...thats why certain people don't like us.Of course the media doesn't help.The US supplies over 85% of all charitable resources to the world.
The reason a relatively few people around the world find the US to be a "nuisance/interference",is that they can't go to another country,land or people and simple take,rape,plunder,steal or crush them.The US and our friends in the UK will administer justice and stop these international terrorists and simple thugs.Gaddafi,Idi Amin,Hussein..etc...thats why certain people don't like us.Of course the media doesn't help.The US supplies over 85% of all charitable resources to the world.
@MONGIE999 i get u...my husband has just finished 22 years...been to iraq twice and agfan.....thing is most soldiers would say thats what they get paid for!!!!!! I know thats what mine said!!
@MONGIE999 i get u...my husband has just finished 22 years...been to iraq twice and agfan.....thing is most soldiers would say thats what they get paid for!!!!!! I know thats what mine said!!
I always come back to this song, and the video you've made is so poignant.
The message of this song is powerful. The images you've put together show that war is not just some game.
I've recently volunteered at my local veteran's hall. I've seen young and old men and women who've been harmed by participating in their duties of war; they are forever changed by the things they've seen and experienced.
This video reminds me that I must give back, and hope that war becomes history.
no politics from me,always liked this song,its sense of history ,goodselection of photos nice work!
mrmarkymark77 5 days ago
@mrmarkymark77 Cheers dude....
CarlBewley 1 day ago
Anti war not anti soldier? Fuck.
I'm anti both, people just say that to try not and offend people.
MilitaryArcade 2 weeks ago
@MilitaryArcade You may have a point there but a soldier isn't always a guy in uniform...you write tunes about revolution...whose gonna fight them for you? One man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter (just ask George Washington.....) and sometimes you have to fight...wish it wasn't that way because I'm a big ole' hippy who doesn't wanna hurt anybody :)
CarlBewley 2 weeks ago
@CarlBewley Respect dude! :)
But I see where you are coming from. I guess what i was originally trying to say was that if you're stupid enough to join an army of people dying just so a fat ass politician can continue to brainwash an entire nation, than why should we respect them?
But hey, i guess alot of people don't see it that way, maybe i'm being a little too ignorant.
MilitaryArcade 2 weeks ago
I often feel the press have a lot to answer for. Every soldier who dies in service becomes 'a hero' and i'm not belittling that but the sense of anger and injustice it causes that 'one of ours' got killed in uniform is often a little bit OTT for me. If you join up, they give you a gun for a reason. its not all skiing in the alps and building wells in Africa. Soldiers fight and sadly soldiers die, it's hard to take when they die 'for nothing' or for control of oil though.....
CarlBewley 1 day ago
one of the best war songs ever, if not the best!
TheBigjohn67 3 weeks ago
one of the best anti war songs ever
TheBigjohn67 1 month ago
R.I.P Stewart, thank you from me, and i am sure many fans alike, for the many memories you gave us through your music and lyrics. May god be looking after you where you are now
Akingcal 2 months ago
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Akingcal 2 months ago
R.I.P Big man , Never to be forgotten and taken too soon. What a tragic waste.
dons4europe 2 months ago
Stirring, sobering, well done.
guilford62 2 months ago
This song needs more views! Come on people!
theirishinc 2 months ago
for all that has been posted, ive always felt it might be anti war a pull from the enthusiastic 1914 call up , but always remember our fallen
LachlanHouse 2 months ago
lets face it the only oppressed ppl are the whites,only whites can be racist lol its us that are endangered,too many worthless ppl in world needy hands always out ,feed them lol nuter them, end of the problem in 1 generation :) sorry if i offended but itd the truth xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
KKKLOE1 3 months ago
Happy Veterans Day 11/11/11
theirishinc 3 months ago
talkin about the song here. Justice has what place in Humanity. Sound Alarm Bells..School bell rings.. off you u go with only ur Peers to impress, good luck
sacr7 4 months ago
Once again i find myself relating to the song that is sung here, Who knows were the real Battle is?? you chose, free will?
sacr7 4 months ago
Why are all the comments war based? What about the fantastic music here? You have to savour this because the music of now is utterly rubbish! I <3 big country all the way!
VictoriousValient 4 months ago
@VictoriousValient
It is really good music. in '88, when I was overseas (Persian Gulf...go figure!), I had a bootlegged tape of their greatest hits....the tape has the 12" Wonderland on it, All Fall Together, East of Eden, Teacher....I love the sound.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@VictoriousValient And at 3:00 into the tune, you can see what I did while there!
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
Point two is that Islamofascists see the peaceniks as 'useful fools', and would exterminate all of them in order to ensure the order of the caliphate. I don't understand how this is so hard to understand, after all the news coverage of people getting their heads sawed off. The jihadists will kill or enslave you no matter if you agree with fighting them or not...they will kill or enslave you because you're not exactly like them. Boil it all down, and that is why we must fight and defeat them.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@jcross1kirk - Islamofascist?so which religious or political group is that then? or is it just a term used by media war hounds to add the religion of islam to the political act of fascism? I saw the news coverage of heads sawn off - disgusting practice by bad people....I also saw Abu Graib footage too...disgusting practice by bad people - add to that footage never shown on American TV of the devastation and human carnage caused by 'shock and awe'...and your point is?
CarlBewley 4 months ago
@CarlBewley This is my point. The people that did what they did at Abu Graib were taken into custody, tried for their crimes, and punished by an impartial law based on common law and shared civic ideals. The people who sawed the heads off of their prisoners were held up as heroes by their peers. There's your difference, and that is why the peaceniks are dead wrong in their assertion of moral equivalency.
I would also read about the history of the Ba'ath and current Iranian governments.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
The Ba'ath Party that ran Iraq (and still runs Syria) was created from 1930's Fascism. They are not religious leaders per se, but they use the rules and culture of Islam to further their power. Hence 'Islamofascists', as opposed to 'Nazis'.
Remember...they (the Islamofascists) want to reestablish the Caliphate and they will kill, lie, cheat, and trick the gullible in the West until they succeed. Thet will culturally debase us and overthrow us if they can't beat us militarily.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@jcross1kirk - Yeh and that Ba'ath party was toppled by Saddam Hussein (with America's help). And what did Osama Bin Laden have to do with Iraq? Nothing. No Al Quaeda in Iraq until AFTER he was toppled. So again, the islamofascists you fear are....where exactly? Nothing but splinter terrorist groups that hate the West, and why shouldn't they? for every atrocity they have caused 'us' - we have equalled or bettered....swings and roundabouts my friend....
CarlBewley 4 months ago
@CarlBewley Carl, Saddam Hussein WAS the Ba'ath Party in Iraq. He killed a few hundred thousand of his countrymen because they were Kurds or Sh'ia or otherwise different than he was. And this moral equivalency thing...please. Al Qaeda and their ilk want to kill or enslave ALL of us....what part of that is so hard to understand? They kill Muslims for not being strict enough, women for driving or trying to enjoy what we wound consider human rights...they are the enemies of civilization.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@jcross1kirk Well I suppose it depends on whether you believe in this worldwide shadowy organisation called Al Quaeda or whether you think it's media nonsence created so America could have a visible enemy to fight....Yes there are terrorist groups but all under one big umbrella? nope not buying that, America cant justify theft and destruction with a faceless enemy....and the Iraqi Ba'ath party was a splinter group opposed to Syria - thats what Sadaam and co fought to remove....
CarlBewley 4 months ago
@CarlBewley ...meaning Saddam led a nationalist Iraqi Ba'ath party against Syria - Iran/Iraq wars...can't claim to know much about it though, only the little I've read on it....
CarlBewley 4 months ago
@CarlBewley
Well said!
IqbalHamid 3 months ago
@jcross1kirk You are right, but liberals and others like them are too stupid to understand the dangers of this world. LIberals are enemies of their own countries. Remember these are the type of people who talk to animals and think gays are normal humans. just because they were born that way. well so are pedophiles and serial killers. islam will use liberals to commit suicide of their nations.
chitown1966 4 months ago
@chitown1966
I think your statement is mostly correct (I disagree with the 'gay' part of it as I think homosexuality is predominantly hardwired into someone's makeup). Liberals, as defined by the current American lexicon, are elitists of the worst kind. They are so arrogantly sure of their correctness and open-mindedness that they are blind to pragmatic truths like what is shown by Islamofascism. Think Neville Chamberlain....
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@jcross1kirk - American Lexicon wow, would like to see aprinted copy of this book (!) As for Chamberlain, I think you'll find he was a Conservative. An appeaser yes, but his inaction in the name of peace wasn't a catalyst for anything that followed. Hitler was going to war anyway whether it was smashing Czechoslovakia or invading Poland....as an American, you should know better than anyone that no one wanted another war in '39. I mean, you stayed out of it long enough did you not?
CarlBewley 4 months ago
@CarlBewley
Small 'l' not the capital one, on 'lexicon'
The war in '39...well, it was 30 years before I was born....;) That being said, yes, the United States wanted to remain neutral, but the Germans and the Japanese kind of put the kabash on that.
Here's my point...peace is a great ideal, but it is only attained through deterrance and strength in this day and age. Why? Because the leaders and societies around the globe don't share our belief system. Jihadists think war is proper.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@CarlBewley
To continue, the jihadists and Islamofascists desire war as a way to fulfill their religious and political ends. We in the Anglosphere see war as a moral affront. I certainly don't have a favorable opinion of war, but I do not believe it is an eternally wrong state. Sometimes, war is justified (WWII, for example). Terrible, I agree, but justified. This might be too close to the jihadist pont of view, in your opinion, but the difference is that we don't desire the state of war.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@jcross1kirk p.s. Agreeing with anything chitown1966 says is ironic, as he displays classic fascist symptoms......avoid, avoid, avoid....I've no problem debating with you as at least you make an argument...but 'his kind' are dangerously ignorant and he's got more in common with islamic extremists than he'd care to admit......
CarlBewley 4 months ago
@CarlBewley hmm it's the idiot liberals who call white males rednecks but hate the word nigger, how ironic. and its the liberals who support the facist muslims over American Soldiers. you trash
chitown1966 4 months ago
@chitown1966 - I dont support either thanks. American troops dying for oil is as disgusting as suicide bombers blowing up towers......you should all grow up. Oh and a big P.S - how can you put the word 'nigger' and 'redneck' in the same context...as a 'redneck, you didn't suffer hundreds of years of oppression and cruelty - you actually caused most of it....no sympathy trailer park boy....none at all.....
CarlBewley 3 months ago
@CarlBewley NIgger and Redneck are both degrading to a race. and not all niggers today suffered under the treatment you so badly fantasize in your little traitorous brain. Look around today there are rich niggers and White rednecks. You being a libtard probaly think all Whites are rich and have some special rights. You need to grow up and if you like blacks and niggers so much move to harlem or chicago and see if you are welcomed in their neighborhood. yeah thats what I thought.
chitown1966 3 months ago
@chitown1966 - bit of a long way for me to go from England......but thanks for the invite. You're a nasty piece of work chitown......I hope you enjoy living with yourself and your ignorance, I doubt anyone else can for too long....big kiss and a hug, love you xxxx ;)
CarlBewley 3 months ago
@CarlBewley
There are some principles that he is right on, namely the fact that liberals (as defined in this thread) have a antipathy to the nation-state and patriotism in particular. I disagree with his opinions on gays and I think he oversimplfies the argument about why liberals are incorrect in their worldview where politics and morality are concerned. I have experiences in my history that have pointed me to this opinion about the Islamofascists and the peace movement. That's just me.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@chitown1966 - It's not very often I lose my temper but your astounding ignorance has me reeling. I'm a liberal but it doesn't stop me thinking of you as an ignorant prick.....When you grown a brain come back and join the discussion, until then, get back to your deer hunting...redneck...
CarlBewley 4 months ago
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jcross1kirk 4 months ago
Nice song. That being said, those people that want peace at all costs are the ones that lead us to war. Neville Chamberlain, anyone? You cannot impose your ideals be it about economics, peace, war, or God, on another culture or there is friction. Why would the peaceniks of the West fail to understand jihadists' need to reestablish the caliphate and exterminate the center of democratic liberalism? Because the peacenicks arrogantly assume the Islamofascists see right and wrong like they do.
jcross1kirk 4 months ago
@jcross1kirk
No nation should impose their ideals on other cultures. Live and let live is my philosophy as a liberal. As a muslim, I assure you that even from extremists among us, we're NOT seeking to exterminate Western Liberalism. We don't hate the West (as the media would have you believe) and value liberty. Don't you think the recent violence which has sadly occurred against the West may have been provoked REactions and in REsponse to the afront from the West against Muslim states?
IqbalHamid 3 months ago 2
@IqbalHamid - I'm totally with you on that one dude....very well said :)
CarlBewley 3 months ago
@IqbalHamid
Define 'Affront'. Classic liberalism supports free speech and noninterference between government and the individual, between religion and the state, and between business and government. I would agree that many people all over the world share the same deisres....economic and social freedom, the security of being able to produce wealth and provide for their families, and a safe and solid infrastructure. But that can't exist without the commonwealth agreeing to defend those things.
jcross1kirk 2 months ago
@IqbalHamid
That requires the creation of a force that enforces the agreed-to principles of the body politics and preserves their private property, and the wealth they are able to produce. Internally, that is called a police force. The security force that is created to protect the commonwealth from external threats is the army/navy, etc. I would also agree that wars of aggression are improper, but wars that are defensive or just are proper and sometimes necessary. Hence, I'm not anti-war.
jcross1kirk 2 months ago
@IqbalHamid History speaks for itself and we in the West know full well the muslim pass in Spain, France and in the Balkans. We know what is going on with our Christian brothers in some muslim countries.
Oct131917 1 month ago
This has a Thin Lizzy feel to it. I'm diggin it.
Danfrombackhome 5 months ago
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Kkrouton 5 months ago
Just Brilliant, from a great album Steeltown. Went to see them in 1984 at wembley arena on the steeltown tour. unforgettable.
tonybigmac 7 months ago
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!!!!!
ca139hvy 8 months ago
@ca139hvy - Would be if the world would just grow up . . . . .
CarlBewley 8 months ago 3
@CarlBewley Remember one summer in the mid 80s, after me and the lads listening to Steeltown non stop from morning to dawn for two months... then the girls started to ask "Hey boys, can we listen to something else sometimes, perhaps...?"
Just like ca139hvy tells "Freedom isn't free" something to think about for those who are not thinking about the army. We couldn't listen to music like this if our ancestors hadn't put their lives at stake in the past.
JohanS623 8 months ago
@CarlBewley I would agree. As one o' the lyrics in their 1988 song Peace In Our Time:
"The hardest love of all is to forgive, as the world comes tumbling down."
TheAmericanbornscot 5 months ago
@CarlBewley
Feedom will always have to be secured. Always. You're not rational if you believe otherwise.
101327 5 months ago
@101327 ...yours or someone elses? how free are the Iraqi's and Afghans now?? You shouldn't claim people who don't believe in killing other people to be 'free' aren't rational. That's just crazy talk....
CarlBewley 5 months ago
@CarlBewley
SO the Afghans and Iraqi's are the benchmarks of freedom?
What's not to believe? It's a reality. Some people need killing. You go ahead and bury your head in the sand. I'll handle it.
101327 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Big Country
@101327 "some people need killing"......there you go....therein lies your problem.....
CarlBewley 5 months ago
Remember one summer in the mid 80s, after me and the lads listening to Steeltown non stop from morning to dawn for two months... then the girls started to ask "Hey boys, can we listen to something else sometimes, perhaps...?"
Just like ca139hvy tells "Freedom isn't free" something to think about for those who are not thinking about the army. We couldn't listen to music like this if our ancestors hadn't put their lives at stake in the past.
JohanS623 8 months ago
@ca139hvy Remember one summer in the mid 80s, after me and the lads listening to Steeltown non stop from morning to dawn for two months... then the girls started to ask "Hey boys, can we listen to something else sometimes, perhaps...?"
Just like ca139hvy tells "Freedom isn't free" something to think about for those who are not thinking about the army. We couldn't listen to music like this if our ancestors hadn't put their lives at stake in the past.
JohanS623 8 months ago
@ca139hvy So only the rich can afford it?
IWannabeJew 7 months ago
Carl, U did it again - yet another brilliant, thought-provoking vid! One BIG thx 4 posting, M8!
hcjc57 9 months ago
@hcjc57 - cheers dude :)
CarlBewley 9 months ago
Does anyone know which BC album this song originally came off of ? I would really appreciate the info very much and Blessed be!
From,
A Recent convert to Big Country
firekittie9 9 months ago
@firekittie9 - The album is Steeltown . . . great album - a must have (mind you, all their albums are must haves!). Welcome to the fold . . . .
CarlBewley 9 months ago
@firekittie9
It's Steeltown, released in 1983 I think.
1927gallagher 6 months ago
@firekittie9 Steeltown its actually about the Falklands War
plowe2 6 months ago
@plowe2 - the album isn't. I think this track was given it had a map of the Falklands on the single cover but the album Steeltown is not themed. Ta Carl
CarlBewley 6 months ago
@CarlBewley - sorry - yes - I meant 'Where the rose is sown' - I remember it well and the Falklands War - i marched against that and 25 years later the stupid Iraq disaster
plowe2 6 months ago
stuart adamson wrote this song long before afgan and iraq....its meant to remember those who fought in ww1 and ww2.......
hibeegirl17 10 months ago
@hibeegirl17 - Actually he was inspired to write it about the Falklands . . thats why the original single cover has the falkland islands on it - although I'm sure he used it as anti war sentiment in general for any conflict. In an interview Stuart said he got the inspiration from seeing a young sailor going home on the train during the conflict.
CarlBewley 10 months ago
@CarlBewley Oh Ok i didnt know that...i was only 13 when the falklands war started but i now have a husband thats fought in Iraq and Afgan..and many more and i take my hat off to the men that have the guts to go and fight!!!
hibeegirl17 9 months ago
@hibeegirl17 - i was 11! Agree with you, glad some men (amd women these days) have it in them to take arms in a world that requires armies. Personally and ideally would prefer no wars but thats never gonna happen. Kudos to your other half for fighting the good fight (sincerely). Stay alive!
CarlBewley 9 months ago
What a bunch of lame-ass comments. This song is crazy good, Big Country were criminally overlooked.
Glueman71 10 months ago
Wow! interesting how no one here even mentions Big Country the band playing the song...just propaganda and the same sick pissed off anger towards each other...no talking just trying to hate the other......love the song..
Alarmer68guns 10 months ago
@Alarmer68guns - I know, I made the video because I love the band and love the sentiment . . . . it still gets missed by chest thumpers and modern day imperialists.......
CarlBewley 10 months ago
@Alarmer68guns would like to say that what brought me to this song was me and my big brother going to see Big Country at the Hammersmith Apollo London in 1989...just added comments because its now relevent to my life and not anti war or propaganda...loved and still love Stuart Adamsons music xx
hibeegirl17 9 months ago
The world never learns , and the governments make the same - intentional? - mistakes time and again time after time. There will be no peace in our time.
Dannyton1971 10 months ago
Has it escaped your attention that YOUR guy is slinging bombs into Libya????
Do you know who you're fighting even???
So is Obama a war criminal too now??? A little hypacritical i fear!
What is FOX news by the way???? I don't live in your country. I can guess it is a non-looney left news organization you don't like.
Stick that in ya peace pipe brother!
James13838 10 months ago
@James13838 - has it escaped your attention that I posted my comment as long time before that pillock Cameron started firing bombs anywhere (I'm english not american) Has it further escaped your notice that Fox News is an American channel? Its a right wing loaded propaganda channel ran by Rupert Murdoch, it keeps rednecks and religious idiots happy....you'd love it. Now stick that up your arse 'brother' :)
CarlBewley 10 months ago
Air/missle attacks on Libya tonight, once again for the 4th time in my adult life this song was in my head as fighting again began in a land of sand.............
Wilthomer66 11 months ago
Very GOOD video! I'm a veteran....
6699TOOT 11 months ago
som muito bom. pena que acabou
serginho - são paulo - Brasil
burguiman 11 months ago
No doubt this is their best song, period.
Rockvoxxx 1 year ago
Best rock war song. anthem ever
johng9322 1 year ago
NATO, the UN..it all blows!!!!
theirishinc 1 year ago
the rocked Liverpool last night
Degbarawin1951 1 year ago
To think that good blokes have died just to let the scum running this country over the past 10-15 years destroy it.
zigzag909 1 year ago
big country were brilliant god bless u stuart
lericha29 1 year ago
doesn't every soldier (of all wars) wish to be buried (if the worst happens) where the rose id sown? the world war cemeteries (both wars to end all wars) are peaceful places to catch your breath and contemplate the stupidity and utter waste of war. every politician who thinks war is the only way to solve a problem should be made to visit one of these cememteries. you never know it might just chancge a mind.
TheSandsie13 1 year ago
@TheSandsie13 Not a chance, so long as its not them on the frontline they will keep sending our lads to war under false pretenses.
Big Country, the best band ever......God bless you Stuart....RIP
Generaleenutts 1 year ago
No WMD...wow...it's amazing how so many people know that all long, yet never said it with such conviction till...AFTER the invasion. I have been in the U.S Forces for 28 years...since I was 17...I have spent almost 6 years of my life in the Mid-East prior to 9/11 because of Sadaam, but ya know...he never had anything...gee wiz...you should have spoken up sooner bradyirishguy...I might have seen my kids more and my country might not be in so much debt. Can't wait for NATO to end.
fordwk 1 year ago 2
@fordwk On a small forum, I raised the point that the claims of WMD seemed questionable at best at the time. I was essentially told that I was a traitor, that I should support the President, that I hated the troops, and that I should save it for the elections, when I could vote against the soldiers. Dogpiled by people I thought were friends.
I can't speak for bradyirishguy's experience, but I found that it doesn't do much good to speak my opinion if nobody wants to listen.
dornbeast 1 year ago
@dornbeast - You should always speak your mind mate and remind 'those people' that you are exercising your democratic right, a right the USA constanty shouts about (to the point of annoyance) . Bush pursued an illegal war and speaking out against it is not speaking against the troops. This ramped up, misplaced and ignorant patriotism is dangerous and ugly. Challenging it vocally is a start!
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@CarlBewley
Let me guess....you are a Liberal Obama supporter that thinks trees are more important than people and that Hitler was just miss understood, and we (the US) should have stayed out of that war too right???
James13838 1 year ago
@James13838 - it's spelt 'misunderstood'. Easier to debate if you can spell properly. Liberal? Yes and proud.
Obama supporter? Well yes but only because Bush was such a dangerous nutcase. Hitler was a nutcase too and was held to account for his crimes. Unlike Bush. We (the US) doesn't work for me, I'm English. WW2 cannot be compared to the war crimes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Stop preaching, stop pigeon holing people and stop watching Fox news. Open your eyes before it's too late.
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@CarlBewley
Well said Carl. I too am an English Liberal and proud of it. Only in the US could such a great word as Liberal be bandied about as an insult by the NeoCons.
And I love Big Country, too.
MrHistorian123 11 months ago 9
@James13838 - p.s quite fond of trees, but actually do prefer people . . well the decent ones who don't believe kiiling for oil, god or government is a good thing . . . . .
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@James13838 James, James, where does your knowledge begin? The ignorance of Fox news watching Republicans never ceases to amaze me!
Grichal1981 10 months ago
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@CarlBewley
Let me guess....you are a Liberal Obama supporter that thinks trees are more important than people and that Hitler was just miss understood, and we (the US) should have stayed out of that war too right???
James13838 1 year ago
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Grichal1981 1 year ago
@fordwk - you complain about peoples attitude to wmds (fictional) then go and make a comment about ending NATO - as if thats the reason you were in the Middle East? I have some news for you, NATO didn't want the US or UK to invade Iraq and i'm sure NATO did not sanction US special forces bouncing around the middle east prior to it either. dont look beyond your own government for someone to blame. . . .
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@fordwk There is something that you do not know. I was amazed as it unfolded before me. It was in early November a full year before our forces went into Baghdad. In Birmingham Michigan in the quad around the coffee shops and movie theaters I was sitting with martial arts friends and a small squarish man with an interpreter close by who spoke both his Russian and my English.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk Across the quad were secret service or CIA with those coiled white wires coming out of their lapels and into their suits at the collar. I joked to him just to add something to the conversation. I am not a martial artist but Here was an ex- KGB Lt. Col that was only allowed in the United States for 48 hours talking with us. He is the leader or primary instructor of Systema karate.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk Which by the way IS superior to all forms of karate except Tai Chi. Anyway I posed a question to him through his interpreter. I asked in a joking manner what he thought of our troops going into Afghanistan where his country was kicked out of and also was now going into Iraq to take away Husein's WMD's. His return was a deep guttural laugh, then through the interpreter he said "I trained all those people!"
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk I asked of course what did he mean by that then he replied "Speznost, (the black ops unit of the old soviet union), ...I trained all of them and by the way they will remove all the WMD's out of Iraq before your country sends it's troops in. Since we know you will make a massive build up of your troops in Iraq Speznost will wait for a solar flare to knock out your spy satellites for 49 hours,
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk - because both nations use the same people to make all their satellites, Korea. Anyway once they are knocked out Speznost will use 4 747's and ten 707's to take out the equipment and weapons." I scoffed at this then yes our troops went in and like you said found nothing. then two years later I was watching C-SPAN 3 about 4 o:clock in the morning. I work midnights so I am up at that time anyway.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk I heard this guy who was promoting some book and rattled off his name quickly. He then said he had broken the Tikrit dialect code of Iraqi and had translated Saddam's tapes. It seems old Saddam had the same kind of memory as Richard Nixon and made tape recordings because he could not remember what he was talking about the previous week.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk Anyway he talked about 4 747's and ten 707's landing in Syria and at the time the CIA analyst had not idea where these planes had come from but all of them were fire engine red hot with radiation. As seen from the spy satellite when it came back on after a 49 hour solar flare knocked it out. I was transfixed and tried to find out who this guy was. Mr. Rybianko had gone back to Toronto and my friend Mr. Popacich had gone back into teaching Systema in Birmingham two year ago.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk I could not find the transcripts of the show since they used numbers instead of content to describe the shows. Now I know what I was told is true unfortunately it will be eighty years from now when the CIA might release what Mr. Rybianko told me that warmish November night, through the freedom of information act. The CIA analyst's name I don't have either, but I was told was what going to happen six months before it did and given a play by play of how and by whom!
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk You will get your wish becuase the Muslim Brotherhood that spawned both Al Quaida and Osama Bin Laden is also the group that has taken over Egypt, and is the core of rebels fight Qaddafi in Libya. Also there are more moslems in Germany than Germans. And a giant population of them in both France and England. So yes NATO will be destroyed and so will anything in Europe that even remotely talks about Christianity or the church.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
@fordwk That will include all the churches and all the history books in Europe will be destroyed as if they never had existed at all. Europe will become ruled by Sharia law, then people here in the United States will allow Sharia law to become our government as well. But thanks for fighting thank you for serving. I am too old the army won't take me.
MericusHtwtchka 10 months ago
It's difficult to find a great quality video of this song...thanks for posting!
DanPat121 1 year ago
@DanPat121 there was a great version they were playing on stage having a great time but it was not live did any one see this and where did it go it was excelent long live bc
r6910 1 year ago
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This was our platoons " feelgood" song back at Keogh in 1986_ also one of my favourite Big Country songs
RIP Stuart Adamson- you left us too soon!
medicdeano 1 year ago
This was our platoons " feelgood" song back at Keogh in 1985_ also one of my favourite Big Country songs
RIP Stuart Adamson- you left us too soon!
medicdeano 1 year ago
Wow, learned something new today, guess the old phrase is true. Thanks guys, stay alive! RIP Stuart.
SupaAFC89 1 year ago
"If I die in the combat zone - box me up and send me home
If I die and still get home - lay me were the rose is sown"
...a powerfull lyric from this brilliant group - RIP Stuart!!
y16amp 1 year ago
I'm not sure this is an anti-war song. It just seems to me as if Stuart wrote it as if someone with a somewhat apprehensive and slightly optimistic point of view towards going into war was talking. Nothing in the song made me think it was saying war is bad, even though it doesnt need to be said.
Just my opinion, dont be a dick.
bradyirishguy 1 year ago 2
@bradyirishguy - Well thats your view. A little naive I think though, Stuart was not one who displayed 'optimism' for war in any way - in any of his songs, interviews or live shows . . . . There's an irony to every line in this song that I believe you may have missed. Stuart said he wrote this after seeing a sailor on the train at the start of the Falklands war . . . theres a feeling of futility in it, not optimism.
Just my opinion - and nobody is behaving like a 'dick'
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@CarlBewley Ok, so optimism wasnt the right word. "Sons of men who stand like gods, we give life to feed the cause, and run to ground our heathen foe." does display some type of optimism, in that he is a part of the effort to end it. I wasnt talking about Stuart having an optimism towards war, I was talking about the man who the song is about, because Stuart is good at writing in points of view of others . i.e Come Back 2me
I can see what you're saying, and I think we are both right in a way
bradyirishguy 1 year ago
@bradyirishguy - 'heathen foe' - at times of war, nations portray their enemies as godless and cruel stirring misplaced patriotism in young men to fight and I think Stuarts lyric reflects that . Giving life to feed the cause is hardly, when you really think about it, a worthy and noble sacrifice. Nobody should 'die' for a damn flag - ever. The 'cause' of war is never made by those fighting it is it? Agree to disagree I think, the song is what it is to each of us. Stay Alive :)
CarlBewley 1 year ago 2
@CarlBewley Yeah, I'm familiar with wartime stuff like that. As much as everyone thinks no one should die for a flag, it is, however a very brave and selfless action to give your life so that others may be free. I'm sure our difference in view has a lot to do with age, I'm 16 and have a glorious, patriotic view towards fighting with brothers to keep the homeland free. I know view changes with age ( i'm not calling you old!)
bradyirishguy 1 year ago
@bradyirishguy - lol i am old (well . . . i'm 37 so getting on a bit) I understand the sentiment Brady and hop ethat one da y(hopefully soon before you enlist!) you realise most o fthese wars aren't about defending our freedom. Iraq had nothing whatsoever ot do with 9/11. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Yet Bush still invaded and cost many US and UK soldiers lives over oil. SImple as that - that is not worth dying for or losing a limb over.
Cheers dude.
CarlBewley 1 year ago
Well I guess I am old too. 38 Iraq was over money and oil ; Afganistan is too. Samolia was over coper and dimonds. Spent 6 years in the US Marines was in the Gulf war #1 and Samolia can't say the other places. Hate to break anyones pipe dreams. It sucks to watch your buddies die and for some coperations making blood profits. There is no glorie in being a warrior now. Watch Zeitgeist Addemdum.
MercComet73 1 year ago
@MercComet73
Turn in your EGA.
Dumb ass.
101327 1 year ago
@CarlBewley
dont start that war for oil bullshit.
Show me where, anywhere where the US has recieved oil from Iraq. In any quantity.
You cant.. When you assholes stop being"neutral" and participate in a global scale, then you can try to earn an opinion.
Unitl then you dont rate. Little better than the rags, fighting over religon like uncivilised morons.
May whats not worth dying for is your sad little nation.
Meanwhile, Im going to deploy and kill some more of them.
101327 1 year ago
I am participating in a global movement. Did you watch Zeitgiest Addendum and educate yourself. So if you know why we are over in Iraq tell me. Did you server over there? I did, and it is over Traid and Oil. You probibly think people from Afganistan flew air force jets into the big bank buildings. How about the therd building that fell. How did that happen. So many so ignorant of the facts like you.
MercComet73 1 year ago
Who knows were the real battle is, This song speaks of the confusion of youth being led astray by those in so called Power.
cocsarc69 1 year ago 15
@cocsarc69 - Brillianty put and couldnt agree more :)
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@cocsarc69
Well said. But I can tell you where the real battle is. The real battle is with the finance capitalists that profit from blood money, the ones financing these damned wars. The power elite that live off the blood of innocent men and and children. They are the ones responsible, certainly not the average fighting man.
I hold these people in utter contempt and out right disdain. I hate the ground they walk upon, the untold misery that they have caused....only God knows for sure.
n8tureboy 8 months ago
@cocsarc69 Just the way it is? hard to take... emm have a think..
sacr7 3 months ago
@CarlBewley I agree,politicians start wars.I write as a hobby only, but I wrote a song some yrs back called "Toys For Men".I put in on because of the shit happening around the world.Just one voice pissed off with politics and corruption
pete7356 1 year ago
@bradyirishguy
If you take this and "Come back to me" as one song, which it really is, I'd say it's pretty much an anti-war song. It venerates those who fight while condemning those who glibly send young men to die without thought of going themselves.
It also speaks metaphorically about the daily battles we all must face.
In any event it's a beautiful poem and a great song. Steeltown is such a great album and there will never be a band the likes of this.
cretinbob 1 year ago 2
Once again Carl, you have carefully selected an outstanding array of images which compliment a Big Country classic track perfectly. For me, the outstanding line has always been "If I die in a combat zone, box me up and ship me home, if I die and still come home, lay me where the rose is sown." Excellent work by Big Country and yourself. 10/10.
GOLLYSKYWOOD2 1 year ago
@GOLLYSKYWOOD2 -Cheers, appreciate the comments.One of my favourites I must admit, Stuart at his very, very best !
CarlBewley 1 year ago
Could everyone shut up with the arguments and listen to the damn song?
bradyirishguy 1 year ago
I plan on being an Army Ranger at some point in my life. Should I ever acheive this, I know it will be because this very song will help me through everything.
bradyirishguy 1 year ago
@billy19891 Show me your evidence from an alternate universe where Europe did not shove its way in to every other country it could, and chaos resulted from the lack, and I'll accept your argument. Otherwise, let's leave alternate history to the science fiction people.
dornbeast 1 year ago
this song came out when I was 16 - its such a great anti-war song - the best I think. thanks for posting it!
map2history 1 year ago
As an ex-serviceman who loves Big Country, this is another example of superb creativity from yourself that I find really relevanty. Great work Carl.
Hodgy8403 1 year ago
@Hodgy8403 Cheers pal!
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@billy19891 your 47?,,,,for gods sake grow up man. Your supposed to be an example to your kids, not act like a complete moron. Sad fool, be gone.
spaticus09 1 year ago
@billy19891 yes billy but not for the uk the world would not be a better place agreed
LadyyKayyy 1 year ago
Mate, this is first class yeah. Really good...i dont like it that i cant rate stuff 5* anymore :(
spaticus09 1 year ago
@spaticus09 - Cheers, Appreciate that!
CarlBewley 1 year ago
RIP Stuart you are sadly missed x
miamalley 1 year ago
@billy19891 Fact?....you utter twat.
spaticus09 1 year ago
Fab posting, spot on. R.I.P Stuart x
MOSESCAT69 1 year ago
great song and well done on the vid
RIP stuart
Bless all who have served for her majesty and i hope you keep safe
but fuck the yanks and tony blair for getting great service men and women into this bloody mess
jamesjnr67 1 year ago
Either this or Flame of the West are the most powerful BC songs - if there is an after life, I'll be first to shake Stewarts hand !
james007magic 1 year ago
@billy19891 - Quite a few people in the Middle East, Asia and South America that might disagree with there. World War 2 - Yep, give you that one (although the USA did not do that alone despite what they might think) but since then? More of an interference/nuisance/dangerous cause of - than anything else. Sorry, but that's my opinion :/
CarlBewley 1 year ago
@CarlBewley
The reason a relatively few people around the world find the US to be a "nuisance/interference",is that they can't go to another country,land or people and simple take,rape,plunder,steal or crush them.The US and our friends in the UK will administer justice and stop these international terrorists and simple thugs.Gaddafi,Idi Amin,Hussein..etc...thats why certain people don't like us.Of course the media doesn't help.The US supplies over 85% of all charitable resources to the world.
GOONinVT 1 year ago
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The reason a relatively few people around the world find the US to be a "nuisance/interference",is that they can't go to another country,land or people and simple take,rape,plunder,steal or crush them.The US and our friends in the UK will administer justice and stop these international terrorists and simple thugs.Gaddafi,Idi Amin,Hussein..etc...thats why certain people don't like us.Of course the media doesn't help.The US supplies over 85% of all charitable resources to the world.
GOONinVT 1 year ago
a song four whats goin on take note gordon brown you wanker
MONGIE999 1 year ago
@MONGIE999 i get u...my husband has just finished 22 years...been to iraq twice and agfan.....thing is most soldiers would say thats what they get paid for!!!!!! I know thats what mine said!!
hibeegirl17 1 year ago
@MONGIE999 i get u...my husband has just finished 22 years...been to iraq twice and agfan.....thing is most soldiers would say thats what they get paid for!!!!!! I know thats what mine said!!
hibeegirl17 1 year ago
Your comment "Anti War not Anti Soldier" shows a very good understanding of Stuart's message - Nice job!
albana4 2 years ago
Always loved this song, Great collage. Thank you :-)
TaDiDidi 2 years ago
Big Country = Big Titans in music. 11/10...
gregingram1970 2 years ago
I always come back to this song, and the video you've made is so poignant.
The message of this song is powerful. The images you've put together show that war is not just some game.
I've recently volunteered at my local veteran's hall. I've seen young and old men and women who've been harmed by participating in their duties of war; they are forever changed by the things they've seen and experienced.
This video reminds me that I must give back, and hope that war becomes history.
taufactor 2 years ago
Cheers, Carl!
Joie xxxxx
BigCountryChic 2 years ago
I'll wait here in this hole
Playing poker with my soul
I hold the rifle close to me
It lights the way to keep me free
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amazing ... Mr Adamson, you are sorely missed, god speed .....
Papamuk 2 years ago