I'd have not called a foul. Blue's arm did come up, but he also had superior position and white was leaning back into him in an attempt to control the ball. "Keep playing, no foul".
At first, it's hard to tell whether white was playing his defender, and not the ball. However, after I watch this more than once, white was looking for the ball behind him, and blue had his arm out for the pushing foul. Considering the location, it's hard to go with anything but PK.
Initial infraction outside the box, DFK white - play advantage, kinda equal BS for both after, go back to point of first infraction, which you could sell as a discrete foul.
Blue never makes an attempt to play the ball even though he has a clear opportunity. He created space using his arm. He doesn't play the ball until the white player is on the ground. It's not a legal shield even though blue is within playing distance of the ball because it is very clear blue has no intent to play the ball. Blue impeded white outside the PA and inside the PA. My first instinct at real time was PK for white and after seeing the slow mo I'd still call it a white PK.
PENALTY KICK - White was playing the ball and the blue guy panicked and tried to stop the white guy. He first played the white guy and not the ball and shoved him but fell over in the process when the white was still trying to get a leg on the ball. Agree?
In the first contact I would have called Advantage and allowed play for the attacker, but the blue defender did not allow for the white attacker to get control by pushing which started outside the PA with a final trip inside the PA. Yellow card to BLUE with a PK to white.
@mike4web I want to re-comment on this one. I still don't see where "White" pushes any player. While watching you see the white player stumble and beat the defender. The defender pushes from behind (blue). White regains while ref calls advantage and blue pushes again from behind and causes the foul. Ref made the right call from what I can see in the video.
It's a tough decision, the ref was never going to be able to catch up with the long ball. If I was forced into a decision I would say penalty but it wouldn't go down well no matter what your decision was.
white doesnt have to have possession in the box for a PK... what if blue handled the ball...
besides that point... thats a hard call to make... it is 50/50 until blue pushes... not hard... but enough to gain advantage of the ball. then again pushes in the box to keep the ball... i would award a PK to white and depending on the game talk to blue or yellow card him.
Good analysis & video. First - blue defender is pretty savvy. He pushes white off the ball outside the PA to gain an advantage. If the ctr ref saw that, he could have called advantage and as blue shielded the ball before the scrum in the box, called back the advantage.
Now, if the stuff outside the PA is missed, the reason white is out of position in the PA is still the push & he moves to challenge blue. I don't see much of a hip check, but the blue defender stiff arms him. PK.
well,i may only be in U12,but i would call it on both for a drop kick,but,in one of my games one of my teammates got kicked in the face and it was clearly intentional,yet all the ref called was a high kick,no cards for the kid or nothing
DFK for white outside box. Blue gained advantage by pushing white off ball. Hard to sell a "play on" when blue clearly gains the advantage off of the push. But a slow hand to the mouth leads to next foul. I still say go back to original foul.
Granted, none of us are there at the game getting the true tempo. As a state referee in NTX and at this age level, I would have awarded the PK and had words with the defending player. If the tempo required further escalation, I would caution the defender.
If this was a competitive U19 B with a score of zero, I would have yelled, no way, get the hell up.Lets go..Then for the next four minutes be in the right position to fend off the retaliation of the attacker. My thoughts!
Outside the PA, the Blues push was trifling. However, inside the area White was playing the ball, and he did not trip Blue--Blue went down after White went down. Blue did push White in the PA, therefore, a PK to White. No DOGSO, though.
Because it is the last defenseman and the white guy was clearly faster than the other one, he would have overtaked the defender. So, because of that, that is CLEARLY a PK and a RED CARD.
I'm a regional reff in Quebec, i would have called this a PK and a Red Card.
White does not possess the ball when the foul occurs. I agree that White is fouled and it is a PK, but without possession you can't call it a DOGSO and Red Card.
You have no idea of the ref's final position - he could have been right behind the play. He would have had a good view of how close white really is to the ball.
Re your offline message:
You say what you can sell doesn't matter, then you talk above about credibility. Make up your mind.
3. The defender mostly looks at the ball. Is his glance up "playing the man"? I don't think so.
Thats the most rediculus thing ive seen, i do hope your not a referee, attacker is clearly fouled there both outside (so play on advantage) and then inside the PA, attacker doesnt have possesion but thats not a requirement for DOGSO
2. its not about what you can "sell", its about what you see, and having the confidence to give it. the ball is travelling into the path of the attacker, who otherwise has a free shot at the keeper so for me Penalty kick and Red card-DOGSO for an offence punishable by penalty.
3. if you look at the defender, he isnt looking at the ball, he plays the man there
That being said, if you disagree and think the 1st push was trifling then the correct call has to be a pk. Blue obviously pushes white in the penalty area so if you had allowed play to continue after the 1st push it MUST be a pk now.
Personally, I would have called the first foul for pushing outside the penalty area as soon as it happened and saved myself the rest of the problem this guy created for himself (a.k.a to me the 1st push wasn't trifling). You really shouldn't apply advantage here because white lost the ball after the 1st push and since blue now had the ball there is no advantage, white just happens to get fouled later by coincidence.
@o5iiawah I'm with you on this. Seems they're both fairly fighting for possession and just got tangled up. I don't think blue even pushes off hard at the end - he's just leaning on white for balance and they both go over anyway. It appears the ball did a short hop on second bounce and fooled both of them...
Send-off to blue defender and PK. Foul by defender clearly occurs in the penalty area, resulting in the PK. In addition, all four of the 4 D's of DOGSO. Distance to ball: the ball is within playing distance of the attacker when the foul occurs. Distance to Goal: less than 18 yards. Number of Defenders: Blue defender is last defender. Direction: White player is moving towards goal, with an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
Why would you send off Blue? Blue HAD possession of the ball. Regardless of the 4 D's. Blue is still in possesion of the ball. Do you just give the ball away each time the ball lands in offensive territory? If blue had NOT touched the ball, White would have been offside.
White was no where near offsides...if that's the best you can do regarding the rules of the game, don't even bother trying to call anything else. It's hard to take you serious with a pitiful attempt on the offside call.
It was 50/50 until blue pushes white off the ball. Blue made No attempt to play the ball. A simple tap on the top would have stopped the ball but blue plowed through white as white tried to play the ball.
To me, the only possible offense is the push by blue on white in the PA (everything else being trifling) but I'm convinced the contact is more shoulder-to-shoulder than anything with the arm being up only to brace for the impact with the attacker, which is due to his immediate stop. I don't think it can be careless, and so I keep my whistle at my side. Mind you, I tend to let the players play more than other referees I know.
technically, it's probably a white DFK, but I would have called a white PK. Even if white had no position, blue just sort of runs over him and doesn't even try to play the ball. notice the defender doesn't even touch the ball afterwards. that looks really bad from the ref's POV.
Correct call has to be a DFK about a yard outside of the penalty area. Blue fouls white with arms, ref should allow for advantage, and when no advantage materializes, the original foul is called.
how do u figure white is moving away from the defender? hese clearly tryin gto move into the ball causing a trip up, from the reffs point of view i probably would have called a PK but hese a lazy ass ref and he should started running forward when the ball was gonna move forward
white overran the ball because of blue fouling him, and is trying to reach back for the ball with his leg. i don't care if he trips blue or not. it was all caused by blue pushing him twice (outside the PA and then inside.)
lets just say this. if you are a new referee, do not refer to this as an example of a good call. there is absolutely no way in the world that you can give blue the ball. lets assume to want to penalize both the imaginary charge and the tripping. how on earth can you allow blue to use his arm to push the attacker 2 or 3 times before any of the white contact and then penalize white?
What is the difficulty here? The initial foul was by blue outside the penalty area. The foul continued into the penalty area, where the blue player pushed down the white player, and then was tripped by white afterwards. The USSF has stated that you penalize the greater offense. The greater offense is inside the penalty area, not outside. PK.
That is two players jostling for the ball. No call seems best, while still being vocal. "Keep going! Keeper, you can play the ball." Then check on the players quickly and continue to follow play.
Hey, I can understand a no call (although I still think PK), but if so, why bother with the "Keeper you can play the ball,"? I see no need for that. Players need to learn/know to play to the whistle.
Being vocal indicates to the players AND coaches that the ref is aware and watching play. In addition, I might say "Nothing there. Get up guys" and motioned accordingly for them to get up. Play would not have stopped. Due to the whistle though, that would be for Blue going out - in my book. Assessors like all this.
I agree. There is no foul and the ref is not on top of play in this match. He blows the whistle from like 30 yards out and hard enough for a PK! In a youth match, talk is absolutely fine. You are selling your call or reasoning for no call. Some refs don't run and talk at all. Good for them.
White player has possession blue player pushes white and white player tries to stay standing at the same time tries to get the ball as he's being pushed but falls then blue trips over the ball.
I agree. There's no "charge" by white, he is stopping to win the ball back after being pushed by blue, and blue basically tosses him to the turf. But lets say there WAS a charge by white. It's STILL not a blue DFK. In that case, I'd be bringing it back outside the penalty area, where blue pushed white from behind off the ball.
hmmm...difficult, but i would've given the penalty...he may not have possesion of the ball and yes he does bring the blue defender down, but the blue defender is the one that pushes him down in the first place.
DFK blue (inside the penalty area). Having trouble believing how many PK/red card fans there are in here.
HolycowDave 1 month ago
I'd have not called a foul. Blue's arm did come up, but he also had superior position and white was leaning back into him in an attempt to control the ball. "Keep playing, no foul".
daveinindy 5 months ago
At first, it's hard to tell whether white was playing his defender, and not the ball. However, after I watch this more than once, white was looking for the ball behind him, and blue had his arm out for the pushing foul. Considering the location, it's hard to go with anything but PK.
bainsey89 5 months ago
dfk for the attack and red card for last man foul
kantantus 5 months ago
like this if you thought it was fucking annoying not even seeing what the referee's actual call was. wasted 3 minuntes on this shhit
danb2212 6 months ago
Initial infraction outside the box, DFK white - play advantage, kinda equal BS for both after, go back to point of first infraction, which you could sell as a discrete foul.
SirLionofBiff 8 months ago
pk, maybe red card
CFC15nick15 10 months ago
Blue never makes an attempt to play the ball even though he has a clear opportunity. He created space using his arm. He doesn't play the ball until the white player is on the ground. It's not a legal shield even though blue is within playing distance of the ball because it is very clear blue has no intent to play the ball. Blue impeded white outside the PA and inside the PA. My first instinct at real time was PK for white and after seeing the slow mo I'd still call it a white PK.
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ItalianDC 1 year ago
big woop its just a game god
graygap13 1 year ago
its not a foul soccer is a contact sport. it was definitely shoulder to shoulder
cs131191 1 year ago
When the "tackle" comes..no one has postion of the ball, but no penalty or freekick.
He falls to easy,shure the defender has his arm out, but they both have that.
But, It could be a 50/50 chance,depending on where the ref is positioned.
StoffyDuveet 1 year ago
PENALTY KICK - White was playing the ball and the blue guy panicked and tried to stop the white guy. He first played the white guy and not the ball and shoved him but fell over in the process when the white was still trying to get a leg on the ball. Agree?
cecconi14 1 year ago
whats really sad is how slow that defender is i mean the other guy slipped and yet he still caught up
chitybam94 1 year ago
thats a pk
chitybam94 1 year ago
I would have DFK blue for either of the following
-Trips or attempts to trip an opponent
-Charges an Opponent
-Pushes an opponent Take your pick of these.
In the first contact I would have called Advantage and allowed play for the attacker, but the blue defender did not allow for the white attacker to get control by pushing which started outside the PA with a final trip inside the PA. Yellow card to BLUE with a PK to white.
mike4web 1 year ago
@mike4web I want to re-comment on this one. I still don't see where "White" pushes any player. While watching you see the white player stumble and beat the defender. The defender pushes from behind (blue). White regains while ref calls advantage and blue pushes again from behind and causes the foul. Ref made the right call from what I can see in the video.
mike4web 1 year ago
It's a tough decision, the ref was never going to be able to catch up with the long ball. If I was forced into a decision I would say penalty but it wouldn't go down well no matter what your decision was.
xndrh 1 year ago
And they say reffing soccer is easy...
Anyone who complains about referees should be shown this video.
buccos2324 2 years ago
Great video! Great training!
I think all the answers given could be seen as right.
I bet that guy is wishing he called the "trifling push", outside the PA.
I know I would have wished I did.
adirondaker 2 years ago
white doesnt have to have possession in the box for a PK... what if blue handled the ball...
besides that point... thats a hard call to make... it is 50/50 until blue pushes... not hard... but enough to gain advantage of the ball. then again pushes in the box to keep the ball... i would award a PK to white and depending on the game talk to blue or yellow card him.
TheDuran21 2 years ago
this is exactly what i would do and it wouldnt have been no call if white pushed back but only blue is pushing. pk for white
two40sxslyder 2 years ago
Good analysis & video. First - blue defender is pretty savvy. He pushes white off the ball outside the PA to gain an advantage. If the ctr ref saw that, he could have called advantage and as blue shielded the ball before the scrum in the box, called back the advantage.
Now, if the stuff outside the PA is missed, the reason white is out of position in the PA is still the push & he moves to challenge blue. I don't see much of a hip check, but the blue defender stiff arms him. PK.
cqdx15 2 years ago
well,i may only be in U12,but i would call it on both for a drop kick,but,in one of my games one of my teammates got kicked in the face and it was clearly intentional,yet all the ref called was a high kick,no cards for the kid or nothing
CoolSomething16 2 years ago
PK and a yellow card for blue defender (no DOGSO).
rossenpd 2 years ago
agreed.
Qboy316 2 years ago
DFK for white outside box. Blue gained advantage by pushing white off ball. Hard to sell a "play on" when blue clearly gains the advantage off of the push. But a slow hand to the mouth leads to next foul. I still say go back to original foul.
darkmaidenn 2 years ago
PK, no doubt; no DOGSO, but I'd have my eye on that defender for further lazy-ass infractions.
nixjag 2 years ago
Granted, none of us are there at the game getting the true tempo. As a state referee in NTX and at this age level, I would have awarded the PK and had words with the defending player. If the tempo required further escalation, I would caution the defender.
If this was a competitive U19 B with a score of zero, I would have yelled, no way, get the hell up.Lets go..Then for the next four minutes be in the right position to fend off the retaliation of the attacker. My thoughts!
easyrefstuff 2 years ago
Outside the PA, the Blues push was trifling. However, inside the area White was playing the ball, and he did not trip Blue--Blue went down after White went down. Blue did push White in the PA, therefore, a PK to White. No DOGSO, though.
travist7777 2 years ago
i dun think its a PK, white didnt have possesion, he tried to reach for it as a result of colliding into the blue player
as67as 2 years ago
Because it is the last defenseman and the white guy was clearly faster than the other one, he would have overtaked the defender. So, because of that, that is CLEARLY a PK and a RED CARD.
I'm a regional reff in Quebec, i would have called this a PK and a Red Card.
crazyzoony 2 years ago
White does not possess the ball when the foul occurs. I agree that White is fouled and it is a PK, but without possession you can't call it a DOGSO and Red Card.
stgilman10 2 years ago
That's a PK for sure
yoshinagajason 2 years ago
also... just a thought, what did that ref give?
any decision there would have probably had to be on the advice of the assistant because he has no credibility with his final position
neenaw999 2 years ago
Ref on the field gave a kick coming out.
You have no idea of the ref's final position - he could have been right behind the play. He would have had a good view of how close white really is to the ball.
Re your offline message:
You say what you can sell doesn't matter, then you talk above about credibility. Make up your mind.
3. The defender mostly looks at the ball. Is his glance up "playing the man"? I don't think so.
wreave 2 years ago
Thats the most rediculus thing ive seen, i do hope your not a referee, attacker is clearly fouled there both outside (so play on advantage) and then inside the PA, attacker doesnt have possesion but thats not a requirement for DOGSO
Decision. PK and defender dismissed for DOGSO...
simples
neenaw999 2 years ago
1. If you think it's "simples" then you are the simple one.
2. Possession is not a requirement per se, but the presence of the defender between the attacker and the ball makes DOGSO a very tough sell.
wreave 2 years ago
1. yeah well most FIFA refs are simple.
2. its not about what you can "sell", its about what you see, and having the confidence to give it. the ball is travelling into the path of the attacker, who otherwise has a free shot at the keeper so for me Penalty kick and Red card-DOGSO for an offence punishable by penalty.
3. if you look at the defender, he isnt looking at the ball, he plays the man there
neenaw999 2 years ago
@wreave possession IS a requirement for advantage. dfk outside the box. idk about the dogso. it's a touch call that im glad i didn't have to make.
Qboy316 1 year ago
@wreave tough**
Qboy316 1 year ago
Great clip though! I think a lot can be learned from this and it can lead to a good discussion even amongst experienced referees
1p2arty 3 years ago
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That being said, if you disagree and think the 1st push was trifling then the correct call has to be a pk. Blue obviously pushes white in the penalty area so if you had allowed play to continue after the 1st push it MUST be a pk now.
1p2arty 3 years ago
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Personally, I would have called the first foul for pushing outside the penalty area as soon as it happened and saved myself the rest of the problem this guy created for himself (a.k.a to me the 1st push wasn't trifling). You really shouldn't apply advantage here because white lost the ball after the 1st push and since blue now had the ball there is no advantage, white just happens to get fouled later by coincidence.
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1p2arty 3 years ago
im trying to be a youth ref, im taking level 9 then since im 14 after 1 season i can become level 8 after second season
SYLENT4life 3 years ago
both teams were fouling. Keep the game moving as it wasn't dangerous for either player. Let the keeper collect and play on
o5iiawah 3 years ago
@o5iiawah I'm with you on this. Seems they're both fairly fighting for possession and just got tangled up. I don't think blue even pushes off hard at the end - he's just leaning on white for balance and they both go over anyway. It appears the ball did a short hop on second bounce and fooled both of them...
crunchem7399 1 year ago
Send-off to blue defender and PK. Foul by defender clearly occurs in the penalty area, resulting in the PK. In addition, all four of the 4 D's of DOGSO. Distance to ball: the ball is within playing distance of the attacker when the foul occurs. Distance to Goal: less than 18 yards. Number of Defenders: Blue defender is last defender. Direction: White player is moving towards goal, with an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
timberdude99 3 years ago
Why would you send off Blue? Blue HAD possession of the ball. Regardless of the 4 D's. Blue is still in possesion of the ball. Do you just give the ball away each time the ball lands in offensive territory? If blue had NOT touched the ball, White would have been offside.
Offside= NO Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity.
J9ca 3 years ago
White was no where near offsides...if that's the best you can do regarding the rules of the game, don't even bother trying to call anything else. It's hard to take you serious with a pitiful attempt on the offside call.
pmwells 3 years ago
It was 50/50 until blue pushes white off the ball. Blue made No attempt to play the ball. A simple tap on the top would have stopped the ball but blue plowed through white as white tried to play the ball.
= PK and unsporting caution for blue.
J9ca 3 years ago
shoulda been a foul on blue outside the box for extending his arm
ManUnited013 3 years ago
PK - Straight red for DOGSO
neenaw999 3 years ago
White is reaching for the ball not making a move on the defender but the defender still extends his arm and pushes him off the ball. PK!
Pythonfanatic 3 years ago
PK, no cards unless PI was an issue
Badgerjohn27 3 years ago
both get yellow cards but white gets ball because of the push
lincoin6 3 years ago
pkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
massawi23 4 years ago
To me, the only possible offense is the push by blue on white in the PA (everything else being trifling) but I'm convinced the contact is more shoulder-to-shoulder than anything with the arm being up only to brace for the impact with the attacker, which is due to his immediate stop. I don't think it can be careless, and so I keep my whistle at my side. Mind you, I tend to let the players play more than other referees I know.
crazychessman 4 years ago
technically, it's probably a white DFK, but I would have called a white PK. Even if white had no position, blue just sort of runs over him and doesn't even try to play the ball. notice the defender doesn't even touch the ball afterwards. that looks really bad from the ref's POV.
steve98689 4 years ago
Correct call has to be a DFK about a yard outside of the penalty area. Blue fouls white with arms, ref should allow for advantage, and when no advantage materializes, the original foul is called.
royalgk 4 years ago 2
u sound like (u would amke if ur not already) a sensible ref. the premier league could do wiv ur help lol
thomaski87 4 years ago
its literally impossible for there to be a charge here. white is moving AWAY FROM THE DEFENDER!!!
nukedukem31 4 years ago
how do u figure white is moving away from the defender? hese clearly tryin gto move into the ball causing a trip up, from the reffs point of view i probably would have called a PK but hese a lazy ass ref and he should started running forward when the ball was gonna move forward
airjmc87 4 years ago
white overran the ball because of blue fouling him, and is trying to reach back for the ball with his leg. i don't care if he trips blue or not. it was all caused by blue pushing him twice (outside the PA and then inside.)
nukedukem31 4 years ago
lets just say this. if you are a new referee, do not refer to this as an example of a good call. there is absolutely no way in the world that you can give blue the ball. lets assume to want to penalize both the imaginary charge and the tripping. how on earth can you allow blue to use his arm to push the attacker 2 or 3 times before any of the white contact and then penalize white?
nukedukem31 4 years ago
What is the difficulty here? The initial foul was by blue outside the penalty area. The foul continued into the penalty area, where the blue player pushed down the white player, and then was tripped by white afterwards. The USSF has stated that you penalize the greater offense. The greater offense is inside the penalty area, not outside. PK.
nukedukem31 4 years ago
pk white, the contact outside the box is warranted the advantage rule.
syn222 4 years ago
That is two players jostling for the ball. No call seems best, while still being vocal. "Keep going! Keeper, you can play the ball." Then check on the players quickly and continue to follow play.
richdop 4 years ago
Hey, I can understand a no call (although I still think PK), but if so, why bother with the "Keeper you can play the ball,"? I see no need for that. Players need to learn/know to play to the whistle.
nukedukem31 4 years ago
Being vocal indicates to the players AND coaches that the ref is aware and watching play. In addition, I might say "Nothing there. Get up guys" and motioned accordingly for them to get up. Play would not have stopped. Due to the whistle though, that would be for Blue going out - in my book. Assessors like all this.
richdop 4 years ago
Theres no foul on white here.....All of the assessors I personally know who are Grades 3&4 do NOT like, "nothing there!" or comments like them.
nukedukem31 4 years ago
I agree. There is no foul and the ref is not on top of play in this match. He blows the whistle from like 30 yards out and hard enough for a PK! In a youth match, talk is absolutely fine. You are selling your call or reasoning for no call. Some refs don't run and talk at all. Good for them.
richdop 4 years ago
dfk blue white had no posession and i would give a yellow card for tripping
a2crews 4 years ago
ur kidding how do you give blue the ball?
syn222 4 years ago
probably because white had no possession to begin with. and he made an illegal charge before the whole incident occurred.
a2crews 2 years ago
pk white, no card
swordplay227 4 years ago
that looked like a legal shoulder barge to me guys, so nothing its play on.
qin02 4 years ago
white
blue makes contact with hand and white falls, pk.
p23s3 5 years ago
I see no charge by white jersey.
White player has possession blue player pushes white and white player tries to stay standing at the same time tries to get the ball as he's being pushed but falls then blue trips over the ball.
White Kick easy as that
Jilldo88 5 years ago
I agree. There's no "charge" by white, he is stopping to win the ball back after being pushed by blue, and blue basically tosses him to the turf. But lets say there WAS a charge by white. It's STILL not a blue DFK. In that case, I'd be bringing it back outside the penalty area, where blue pushed white from behind off the ball.
nukedukem31 4 years ago
hmmm...difficult, but i would've given the penalty...he may not have possesion of the ball and yes he does bring the blue defender down, but the blue defender is the one that pushes him down in the first place.
xagerated 5 years ago
there is no answer 2 tht one
mattitude951 5 years ago
wat Did the ref give
cameron0101 5 years ago
DFK for the defense.
wreave 5 years ago
DFK for white, coming out - Plain and simple.
r951623847123798 5 years ago
nevermind -I thought white was defending... Id give a PK.
r951623847123798 5 years ago
ya. tat made sense. no one realli has possession near the fall
BlueTT 5 years ago