(Kent Hovind) Creation Seminar 2 The Garden of Eden Part 9

[IIIRustyIII]

@RJL738 Your grammar sucks.

[grippipo]

This should be illegal. 

[RJL738]

It must be mentioned that even though almost all of those big fossels are true alot of them were just extince species and many of them as a big as they are a probably an undersized member of that species some animals may have been much bigger still. It is beyond irrational to think dinosaurs were just big lizards their structure was just different, in so many ways.

[RJL738]

It is amazing to think what would happen as far as ratios when getting well into the tetrations of orders of magnetude numbers of dimentions. A quintillion, nonillion, Googol, Googolplex tetrated to ten, 1,000 tetrated to a trillion, a Googolquadeplex tetrated to a trigintillion dimentions, but a paradox arises when dealing with any smallest units of space. Animals do have to deal with size though.

[RJL738]

Something to also think about not only does surface area change in relation to volume but so does the perimeter of a square or whatever shrink or whatever in relation to how bit it gets and the volume of the cubes that make up a Tesseract change in relation to the size oft he upper dimentional volume. As objects get bigger the lower dimentions not only lag behind in their growth but they lag behind in relation to each other.

[ProtestantIRA]

Tarantula's with 3ft legspans? Thank goodness for us Arachnaphobes that their gone!

[godsbabyangel777]

ok all you non believers just take your lies and shutup 'there is a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1954phyllis]

@godsbabyangel777 Amen

[gregrutz]

There are over 250,000 peer-reviewed scientific studies on evolution, with full support from every related life science, including genetics. There has not been a single falsification to refute evolution in 150 years of relentless scrutiny!

It is the backbone of Biology, accepted by all scientists.

[PFC33]

Greg, why do you continually ignore evidence? Every time I refute something, you say the exact same thing the next chance you get as if it's still valid. Just because something is accepted does not make it fact.

You can choose to believe something all you like, but if it can be faulted, then what does that say about your belief? It's true? No, it's false. You can believe it's true all you like, but you're going to stand before God some day and you're false facts aren't going to save you.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 I don't ignore the evidence, it all points toward evolution. We have the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, and on and on and on...

Kent is trying to prove all of science wrong,  from the age of stars, to geology, to fossils, to tree rings, to ice cores. Keep trying to prove evolution did not happen.

[PFC33]

That's not what I meant by "ignoring evidence." Every time you put forth something that you believe as "evidence" and I disprove it, you completely ignore it and you repost your same "evidence" as if it means something. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

I don't have to prove evolution "didn't" happen. You have to prove it "did" happen. If we're simply trying to prove someone wrong then you can keep someone at odds for the rest of their life. That's why it doesn't work that way.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 How do you explain feathers on dinosaurs?

[PFC33]

Simple, they existed. That's what fossil evidence provides; something obviously existed. The interpretation of "how it got there" can be multiple different things. Nothing dictates it evolved, only your interpretation. All interpretations need to rely on other external evidence, not just fossils.

[gregrutz]

Dinosaur fossils and human fossils have never been found together, he lied.

[PFC33]

Who's doing the excavating?

Has the whole earth been dug up yet?

Have you been everywhere to verify it?

How can you be sure it's not being suppressed?

There's a lot of questions to go through.

[PFC33]

You talk like it has, provide evidence for your arrogance.

[gregrutz]

Watch a video by DonExodus2, cdk007, or AronRa for facts on evolution.

[PFC33]

Translation: "I don't have the evidence, but evolution is fact, you just have to find it for yourself"

Response: Purple dinosaurs with green spots, giant horns and silver wings exist. It's fact, just look for the evidence.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Feathers on dinosaurs, fish with legs, whales with hind legs.

[PFC33]

That's not even a complete sentence, what are you saying?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Hovid and other creationists don't ever show evidence. ''Dead things all over the world in sedimentry rock'' Looks like a flood to me.  LOL HA HA HA>

Never look at a fossils, never looked a geology, never open a science book.

AND DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND LOGIC, LIKE YOU.

[PFC33]

We've looked at fossils, we simply come to a different interpretation. The validity of those interpretation is dependent on other evidence since you can get several different ideas off of fossils. You see a progression (as you've said multiple times) so lets test the validity of that. If we see a progression of anything, does that mean it evolved? No, because we find progressional patterns today that have nothing to do with each other, therefore you have a faulted theory. Response?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 ''We've looked at fossils, we simply come to a different interpretation.''

No you didn't, you have never studied fossils. You have never studied geology. You have never studied any science.

[PFC33]

Great assertion and way to go not explaining the rest of my post. Your red herrings will only go so far.

[gregrutz]

He thinks he is so smart. Fossils prove the earth is old and the earth evolved too.

[gregrutz]

Why is it that everything points to an old earth: fossils, geology, tree ring, ice cores, Egyptians and Chinese history, radiometric dating, etc, etc.

But Kent won't admit it !

[gregrutz]

Kent talks like he doesn't know evolution was accepted 150 years ago.

[PFC33]

Right, because we know if it's accepted, that makes it true. So lets go talk to Manson's, and Jones' followers as well as everyone who believed heavier objects fall faster than smaller objects along with people who believed geocentric orbit.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Evolution is proven as fact. Just like we know the world is not flat. People still thing the sun goes around the earth and there was a global flood, sad.

[PFC33]

You've said it's a proven fact several times now, but I've yet to see you provide any evidence. You just do this dance saying, "It's over there! Look!" and try to make me go find it for myself. I'm sorry, that's not how it works. If you're in court you don't say, "My client is innocent, but you have to find the evidence that says so."

Provide the evidence that proves evolution or keep your mouth shut. It's that simple. You started this debate, now finish it.

[gregrutz]

Here is the evidence, the facts, go look.

The fossils are layered like this:

In the bottom layer of rock are shell fossils,

above that is a layer with shells and fish fossils,

above that is a layer with shells, fish and amphibians fossils,

above that is a layer with shells, fish, amphibian and reptile fossils,

above that is a layer with shells, fish, amphibian, reptile fossils

and dinosaur fossils.

No human or bunny fossils are found in any of these layers.

No dating method used

[PFC33]

Ah, yes, now here is my evidence, the facts, go look.

There's teaspoons, spoons, measuring cups, ladles, and cooking pots. This proves that teaspoons evolved into cooking pots. No dating method used, we can obviously see that cooking pots are the evolved form of teaspoons by millions of years of change.

[AllNightGaming]

@gregrutz Why does my newspaper list the times for sunrise? It doesn't really rise.

They must all be fundies at these newspaper places.

[gregrutz]

@AllNightGaming Sun rise comes from the old days when men, like the ones who wrote the bible, thought the sun moved and the earth was the center of everything.

[gregrutz]

Watch 'Dogs don't make non dogs'

[xXxRetroSquirrelxXx]

(continued from the comment below ...) ... and the reason you find shells scattered all over beaches, rarely intacted, is due to them being repeatedly tossed about by waves (smashed agains the shore, taken in and out by tides, etc.).

This is yet ANOTHER example of how Kent Hovind tries to deceive his audiance.

[xXxRetroSquirrelxXx]

Kent Hovind stated, "When a clam dies it opens."; now, this would be true if he was talikng about cooking them (the heat applied during the cooking process causes the water inside the clam to turn into steam, thus popping it open), but he wasn't. Under natural circumstances (in the wild) bivalves (oysters, clams, scallops, etc.) die with their shells closed ... (continued in the comment above ...)

[Cardigen]

Are dinosaurs still considered lizards?

[Jenmp3]

Leopard Geckos stop growing. I keep em

[linkforever92]

thats not a pressure tank though......

[tylerh5k]

@rationalanarchy -All I'm gonna say is that your sources and references for your claim of the age of the earth is -"demonstratably"- false, all the presumptions together do not add up. But arguing about this is a waste of time bc it will not change the fact that I believe that Jesus Christ is who he is said to be and that the biblical God created the design of life and existence.

[gregrutz]

Geologist knew the earth was millions of years old. Then nuclear chemists told them it was 4,566 million years old, + or - 2 million years.

You are correct, the more they learned, the older it gets.

They once thought the earth was only 6000 years old. LOL

[newfagscanttrif0rce]

I can't watch this shit without pausing in rage - insects can't get big because they don't have enough air to breath. THE STUPID HURTS MY BRAIN

[heroblue15]

@newfagscanttrif0rce well sucks for u then cause if this "hurts ur brain", then evolution is much more complicated then. just saying not affending u in anyway..

[newfagscanttrif0rce]

Nonsense spouted by a delusional fraud who is in prison is what hurts my brain, not science.

[gregrutz]

@heroblue15 Evolution is more complex than creationists strawman arguments.

Those big animals lived when? 10,000 years ago? A million years old?

What Flood?

Clams live under sand, they are buried before they die.

The top of Mt. Everest was below sea level when the clam lived.

The sea didn't go up, the clams were raised>> plate tectonics did it.

[gregrutz]

@lizazoon What do major schools teach? UCLA, Yale, Harvard?

Evolution!

[tylerh5k]

@gregrutz So does that mean that other really good schools (even out of the U.S) that doesn't teach evolution has it wrong??? Evolution hasn't yet been proven, not matter what you think or say evolution is still a THEORY. People used to think the world was flat and they later realized it wasn't, just like soon people will realize that evolution doesn't explain the complexities of life. They are simply GUESSES!!!!!!!!!!

[gregrutz]

@tylerh5k Everyone teaches evolution because it has been proven.

There is even a theory to show how evolution happened.

Yes, the men who wrote the bible thought the world was flat and the center of the solar system. It was proven wrong, again.

Evolution does explain how we got here, just because you don't understand it doesn't change anything.

[thomwick]

What happen to the human footprints from Paluxy river excavation? Did they get rid of it, and as often they say "it did not happen"...?

[gregrutz]

@thomwick No, they studied the tracks and determined they were from a smaller dinosaur. End of bull shit.

[tylerh5k]

@gregrutz You are NOTHING, a NOBODY who is getting their information from only what your worldview wants to hear. LOOK. THIS. STUFF. UP. FOR. YOUR. SELF! Do you really think that life is in existence from the big bang?? lol. So then... one day a bunch of nothing just decided to explode into life??? LMAO! Where did the energy come from? Where did the matter com from? Where did the oxygen come from that caused it to rain for "billions of years"????? You're dumb.

[gregrutz]

@tylerh5k So the world view accepts evolution and your church doesn't, and you think I need to look stuff up?!?

I have hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon 4 times, have you seen it.

But you will repeat Kent and say the Geologic Column only exists in the science books. How the hell do you even know, none of you IDiots have ever read a science book.

The universe came from the big bang, not life.

Creationists say POOF everything from nothing !

No one said it rained except the bible.

[klnine]

so animals were bigger pre flood..now they are smaller sounds like evolution to me HAHA

What a plonker!

[PFC33]

That would be variation klnine... or "micro-evolution" not macro, they are still the same animal but with alterations and are limited to that alteration.

The fact that you think it proves evolution is contradictory. Basically you stated that the flood was true (thus the Bible is true) and the Bible doesn't say anything about macro-evolution which is similar to what you based your statement on.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33

Same KIND, Yes !

Dogs make dogs.

Apes make apes.

That is why we are still apes.

And all apes are still primates.

And all primates are still mammals.

And all mammals are still tetrapods.

You can't evolve into a different Kind of animal.

All ancestors of dogs will still be dogs, we are still mammals.

[PFC33]

Dogs make dogs and apes make apes, and that's why we're still apes? If apes make apes then humans were never apes. How can we "still" be apes? I've asked you this before and I'm still waiting for an answer.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 You evolved from a tetrapod, you are still a tetrapod. [4 limbs]

You evolved from a mammal, you are still a mammal.

You evolved from a primate, you are still a primate.

You evolved from an ape, you are still an ape.

Ape is a classification [kind] of primate, which is a king or mammal. Todays living apes are man, chimps, gorillas and Orangutan.

Neanderthals would be a different kind of human.

[PFC33]

First, you haven't provided any evidence for evolution since we have been talking these past few days, only faulty assertions that you lack a response to, so I highly doubt I evolved from anything, that's your assumption.

Second, that still doesn't make any sense. Basically, if evolution is true, there is no true difference between man and beast/algae. That says a lot about human value. "You're worth about as much as dirt," is basically what it boils down to.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Yes, you are an animal. Is that what you are afraid of?

[PFC33]

No, I'm stunned that you actually think animals and human beings are equals. But hey, your beliefs dictate your views which dictate your actions so you go ahead and believe you're an animal because acting like one certainly benefits society.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Just because you are an animal does not mean you can't act like a human being.

[PFC33]

And what is acting like a human being? And if we came from animals which came from dirt, how did we develop the standard of "acting humane?" Where did the morals come from?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Chimps kill chimps, humans kill humans.  What morals?

[PFC33]

Then what is acting humane? Earlier you said "just because you're an animal doesn't mean you can't act human," so you must have some distinction between animalistic and humane behavior. What is it and where did it come from?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 You are the IDiot who said IF we are animals we have not morals and have to act like an animal, not me. I said we can act like humans.

[PFC33]

Because if we evolved from that which makes up dirt, then there is no right or wrong (ergo, no morals), yet we instinctively know there is a difference and we are above the standard of animals. Even you admitted it earlier.

So, what is this instinctive difference between man and animal and how did it come to be?

But if there are no differences, then why are we surprised when people act like animals? News stories have foundations of this all the time. Why is it news worthy?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 please get your facts straight. The bible says we come from dirt, not scientists. Evolution doesn't say no right or wrong,  my dog knows right from wrong. We are not 'above the standard of animals'' How is your echo working today. Can you out run the rest of the animals that have 4 feet? You are right, people act like animals. People who study chimps say they are surprised at how human they act, then how much people act like chimps.

[PFC33]

Yes, everything else comes from dirt as well if you give it enough thought. The difference is the driver behind the wheel. You don't think there's one, I happen to take there being a driver as a given.

Your dog knows right from wrong from what? Evolution? Or by a creator? How do we know right from wrong? What standard are you basing it off of?

You didn't answer my question. I'm not asking for the obvious of what happens today, I'm asking for an evolutionary explanation. Is there one? Yes or no?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Evoltion is a process that has happened. You sound like Ben Stien, ''Evolution does not explain Gravity''.

I never said there was no driver. There are the forces of nature. Does God make everything fall, or did he make gravity to do it naturally.

[PFC33]

If it's happened then provide the evidence. I've asked you several times. Either you have evidence or you don't. If this were court you would be finished by now. If you've got evidence then I'd love to see it, aside from that, you have shown that you follow fallacy, not truth.

You don't have to say there isn't a driver, it's implied. There is no intelligence behind evolution, if you believe there is then you are a creationist.

Pick your side.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Evolution was proven 150 years ago, read a science book.

search ''proof of evolution'' there is enough proof on youtube.

Just because you won't look, does not prove it didn't happen, it did. It is still happening. Kent even shows things have changed in this video

[PFC33]

I've read books on it, I've still yet to find anything concrete for evolution, would you like to challenge it?

If you can't even give me so much as a shred of a lead for proof of evolution, why should I believe I'm going to find the answer anywhere else? Everything you have provided me, I have faulted, and you eventually don't even respond anymore (I can direct you to 2 areas if you'd like). What am I supposed to take from that? Better think fast Greg, you're losing morbidly.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 DNA markers show we evloved. The tree of life is the same as Darwin's

Fossils show evolution. The fact that you are a Great Ape shows evolution. Transitional fossils show evolution, feathers on dinosaurs.

[PFC33]

I've already spoken on DNA markers.

I've already disproven fossils.

I've already explained feathers on dinosaurs.

Try again.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 How did you disprove fossils? Deny them like kent does. Claim the flood sorted them by complexity.

Evolution is still taught in schools, I guess you didn't prove shit. Try again.

[PFC33]

Good question. Let me answer with the following question. How did you disprove teaspoon to cooking pot evolution?

[AllNightGaming]

@gregrutz Links please. When you say evolved, are you talking colors and sizes of noses or a fish turning into a man? Too much watching mr. Limpet methinks.

[gregrutz]

@AllNightGaming Read a science book so you know what 'evolved' means.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 listining to kent lie is not the same as reading a science book.

[PFC33]

What is this attachment you have to Hovind? You brought him up first hand and even after that I only mentioned him once or twice, yet you insist on continually bringing him up as if it means something. What is it, that your ego just wont let go of that?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 you are commenting on a Hovind vidio dumb shit.

[PFC33]

And yet I've only brought him up once or twice. This conversation may be on one of his videos but the discussion has never had anything to do with Hovind. So, aside from the fact that you didn't answer my question, what is this you have against Hovind that you bring him up continually?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Hovind is one of the IDiot who makes all your crap up. He invented the 'canopy theory' He just makes up junk to match the bible., the Canopy theory. He, like you, has an excuse for everything. He says, 'Fossils only prove something died'' IDiot has never studied a fossil in his life. ''you can't prove it had kids'' proves he does not understand how evolution works.

Hovind lies, that is why I can't stand him.

[PFC33]

I haven't mentioned the canopy theory, Greg.

If Hovind has lies, then take it up with Hovind. You're dealing with me right now, not him, so drop it.

Now, lets get back to the question that you avoided answering earlier. How did you disprove teaspoon to cooking pot evolution?

[PFC33]

I couldn't agree more. So how is it you believe fossils prove anything about evolution? You keep bringing up the layers and how there are different fossils that supposedly show a progression, yet when I bring up something showing a progressional pattern you suddenly disagree with it. Well of course! It's ridiculous! Thanks for playing, what do we have for him Rob?!

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 what progessional pattern did you show?

[PFC33]

Teaspoons to cooking pots.

[PFC33]

And also, it's spelled "video." Careful who you point the finger at about being dumb.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 There is a difference between a typo or dyslexic and brainwashed.

[PFC33]

There's also a difference between true and false but you're trying to blend them together.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 You act like you don't know evolution has been proven, who cares if you can't figure it out.

[AllNightGaming]

@gregrutz My dog acts kinda like a human. Did we come from dogs too? An octopus can open a jar.

[gregrutz]

@AllNightGaming You don't understand evolution, do you. Humans and dog share a common ancestor, the first mammal.

[AllNightGaming]

@gregrutz So humans evolved from dogs? Wow didn't know that. First I heard of it.

You is an eckspert. Now prove it..

[gregrutz]

@AllNightGaming YOU CAN'T EVEN READ.

''So humans evolved from dogs?'' NO DIP SHIT, I SAID>

Humans and dog share a common ancestor, the first mammal.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS, NO. BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND EVOLUTION !

[AllNightGaming]

@gregrutz I can't help you do not k ow how to get your asbergerish thoughts across, brownie hound.

[tylerh5k]

@klnine -- Yeah, evolution does occur to an extent and depending on circumstances, plus there are different meanings for the word evolution, pick up a book every now and then instead of just being a follower of everything you choose to head. Did you not pay attention to the info that he explained on the video..?? It has to do with the decrease of oxygen in the atmosphere... too much to explain just listen and better or pick up a book.

[gregrutz]

@tylerh5k They know the oxygen level in the past atmospher from ice core samples, going back 100,000 years.

Pick up a book? Yes, please pick up a science book.

[tylerh5k]

@gregrutz I have picked up MANY books buddy, and you know what... a lot of them have been evolution bias and most them don't say the same things, they have different answers, so... maybe their reasoning is bs??? There is NOTHING that tells us that our world and universe has been here for '100,000 years' lol. Why don't you look stuff up for yourself instead going off of what everyone tells you and what you hear from t.v and what not, you can't trust everything that you hear from the media.

[gregrutz]

@tylerh5k Start with some history of science.

240 Years ago, geologist went looking for evidence of a global flood. They found distinct layers of different kinds of rock. Floods don't do that.

And they discovered the earth is millions of years old, long before nuclear chemists told them it is 4,566 million years old, +or - 2 million years old.

[tylerh5k]

Thts not science histry, its not even factual science. Go get a jar of dirt and fill it up with water, shake it and then let it set and you will see almost instantly the dirt will begin to settle in layers; given that over time with any flood will make layers of rock. Look up mt. St. Helens eruption, just a few days after the eruption STRATIFIED layers up to 400 ft thick formed from landslides caused by the eruption. The number of years of the ages earth always changes with evolutionist.

[gregrutz]

@tylerh5k Watch, noah's flood debunked . to see why you get one layer in you jar. Bigger rocks on the bottom in a smooth gradiant to silt on the top.

What we find in nature is distinct layers of different kinds of rock with different fossils in them. Floods don't make different kinds of rock or sort fossils, old to newest species.

[tylerh5k]

First it was "millions" of years, now it's supposedly "billions" but depending on where you read or what you watch there's a variety of lies about the age of the universe. There's never an exact number or even a close significant agreement with all the scientists and philosophers that claim this bs. They weren't there to know that anything is "millions" or "billions" of years old.

[PFC33]

No ice mass is more than 3000 years old Greg. You can figure it out using simple math by the amount of ice falling each year and how thick the ice mass is.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Ice cores go back over 100,000 years, Kent will tell you they don't work, they are not annual layers, but they really are. Tree rings work too, to 13,000 years.

Or we could ask the Chinese, they have been around 7,000 years or more.

[PFC33]

Forget the ice cores, they don't matter unless you can explain the fact that with simple math, no ice mass is more than 3000 years old.

As for tree rings, there's a lot of controversy about that and many fallacies have been mixed with facts (and vice versa) so I'm leaving that issue alone for another year or two until we can have some decent information that I can compare and scrutinize for factual understanding.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Geologists went looking for evidence of a global flood over 200 years ago. They did not find any.

They found distinct layers of different kinds of rock with different fossil in them. Floods don't do that. They discovered it must have taken millions of years to make what we see.

[PFC33]

Who are you to say they didn't find any? Where did they go (even though I personally find that irrelevant since the evidence is underneath everyones feet)? What did they find that they determined wasn't evidence of a flood?

Yes, floods do that Greg. It's called hydrologic sorting. Even with 2 different densities of material, you can get tons of layers.

It took millions of years? So who watched the layers form to determine it took millions of years? I thought humans were fairly new, are they not?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 Geology proves the earth is old. Go look at the Grand Canyon.

Floods don't make lava and ash layers. Floods don't make coral reefs like Carlsbad Caverns Nat. park is located.

Read a Geology book so you don't look so silly.

[AllNightGaming]

@gregrutz What made the coral reefs? For that matter, what made life? Oh I forgot. Everything came from absolutely nothing. Or aliens if you ask Richard dorkins.

[gregrutz]

@AllNightGaming Coral reels are little animals the grow and make a reef. The grow in shallow seas, very slowly.

Dawkins was answering a question, and yes life could have come from space, he was just saying it was not out of the question.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 hydrologic sorting NO, floods make one layer, big rocks on the bottom, silt toward the top. one layer of gradiants. Watch noah's flood debunked

[PFC33]

First, the ice age left "marks" which "date" back to 10,000 years according to you. Not the ice itself, which has nothing to do with this conversation, I'm talking about the ice itself, not what it left behind; dating it with a dating method is another story and brings about many interpretations. So no, not "everything" points to an old earth. You "think" everything points to an old earth. If you can prove it as I have been waiting for you to do then I'll be waiting.

Explain morals, above, too.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 So you think if the oldest ice you can find is 3000 years old that means something?!? If the oldest ice you can find is 200 years old, then the earth is 200 years old? USE SOME LOGIC!

[PFC33]

Who said that ice determines the age of the earth? That wasn't me, that was you. I'm speaking against your false belief that the ice is 100,000 years old which you believe negates the 6,000 year old earth age. Not once have I said it proves the earth is X years old, it simply disproves your 100,000 year old belief which fits with the 6000 year old earth.

I'm still waiting on your explanation of morals.

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 It is a fact that Ice Cores go back over 100,000 years, it is a fact that tree rings go back over 10,000 years, Face the facts. It is a fact the dinosaurs died out in the last mass extinction 65 million years ago.

Are you home schooled?

[PFC33]

No, it's a fact that ice cores are made of ice and it's your interpretation on what they mean, but it's not fact and I can almost guarantee that you have a false understanding of the facts.

We're not debating tree rings (yet). We still haven't even cleared up ice cores and you want to jump to tree rings.

You haven't provided any evidence for your theory about the dinosaurs. Everything you provide, I have negated.

Do you have blonde hair?

[gregrutz]

@PFC33 They have the fossils of dinosaur changing over 160 million years. Oh, sorry, I forgot that Kunt says fossils prove nothing.

[PFC33]

Yes, and I have evidence of teaspoons evolving into cooking pots. Therefore, you should believe it. I've shown you it proves nothing, yet you still defy the truth. You're providing a great view for evolutionists everywhere; it's not that something is true, it's just that you want it to be true, therefore it is. I hope you're just ignorant and not stupid. Ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever. If you know what you believe is true, then show me the evidence, otherwise you believe fallacies

[Daarkvader]

i dont get how people come to the conclusion that he's a liar.

there are 2 simple reasons why he's not .

#1. the facts he presents have evidence shown right there to support it.(the reference to newspapers etc)

#2. whenever he has an OPINION he says so CLEARLY. he starts by saying "i think"

even if his theory is WRONG, its just his theory. and he says that.

therefore he's not lying, he's just saying what he thinks. it would only be lying if he told u it was FACT.

[Gearogi]

Everything's bigger in texas. i love that: best part its true, type it in at google.

[Eye2Eye44]

from 0:33 ...yikes O.O

[RJL757]

I agree with what this guy says except that about the dinosaurs being big lizards. The dinosaur were clearly different animals than the lizards.

[Eye2Eye44]

i would cal them (not lizards) but just giant reptiles

[hilly777]

Has anybody possibly noticed that some of the same critics have posted on different videos of Hovind. Now either they actually are interested enough to watch them all ... or they are shills for the ones that wish people to stay stupid and supressed. Sound dumb? Look at the local events, financial problems, ecological problems, social problems, disease and health, debt. Now, tell me they do not want to supress the truth. Tell me that in a year.

[ninjabob42]

i watch it for the comedy aspect and to feel better about myself, i mean if a man with no common sense of valid education can get so far, I think I may want to start my own cult

[kDest]

We troll the Hovind comments to laugh at the utter inane stupidity found there.

[TheDumaka]

IT reminds me of the forward in Darwin's book 100th anniversary....

Evolution is unproved and unprovable we believe it only because the only alternative is special creation and that is unthinkable.(Sir Arthur Keith 1959)

[SelfDestructiveEnt]

how exactly is evolution unproven

[supersmash43]

At least he has some scientific facts, so we could congrulate him in that; but he's more like a comedian than a scientist he's trying to convice people into believing.

[TheBigGameHunter1]

Maybe a few which ones hard to pick oput the truth with all the lies he says.

[TheBigGameHunter1]

Once reptiles reach a ceratin size the growing slows right down to insignifcant. This is pure misleading and lies. Dont hide this fact!

[supersmash43]

well isn't it this guy's duty to misinform and deceive?

[TheBigGameHunter1]

Offcourse it is, to try and prove the bible right. The world is like a seal, because the bible says so! LOL

[psevdhome]

An insect's( or other arthropod's) size is determined by two things: Being able to move and having time to grow. If an insect can survive and breed succesfully without having to grow big, it doesn't grow. Secondly their chitin exoskeleton becomes too thick for them to be able to move, if they grow too big.

[SelfDestructiveEnt]

Saying they become too heavy to move, wouldn't that then suggest that those giant fossilized insects had a bit of a different anatomy which so enabled them to carry that weight? Wouldn't that alone prove evolution if their current physiology is different than it was thousands of years ago?

[psevdhome]

I'm not denying evolution, but yes it does.

[SelfDestructiveEnt]

No I know you weren't denying it.