Good God! After all this time, I finally "discovered" the Box Tops. What a band! Soul Deep, Neon Rainbow, Sweet Cream Ladies, I Can Dig It, Cry Like a Baby, I'm Your Puppet. That's some of the best music I've ever heard. Sorry I missed the 60s. Oh well, better late than never. The music nowadays is crap. Think I'll listen to Soul Deep again.
I have now heard this song 30 times. First I hated it as simple then I liked it just a little then I tolerated it and now I don't know if I can come back anymore. If you want to hear good Alex Chilton go to Thirteen with the Box Tops. or September Gurls.
Listen at time on youtube some people are so rigid and annoying and for fun sometimes I do this but you take the fuckin case. And you are probably a nice guy but you get obsessed and don't read. I am going to block you cause you annoy. Sumary: Stairway To Heaven" > the main guitar line is from "Taurus" by Spirit. Whole Lotta Love" lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love" .
People do not think because Alex is dead there needs to be a 5 years moratorium on critique... And all I was saying is that he probably was putting on a deeper voice in the 60s, and left it behind even in the 60s for Neon Rainbow (great song) and later as the songs we sung from his heart not his vocal chords when He began writing his own stuff.
@JimmyPage97 OK, though I was never thinking motown but just that this was his soul-deep 60's voice and it was make in 1968 and really I don't dig the song but for one listen as it's simple-ass blues rock (please no cards or letter this is my fricken opinion not law. But ALex with Big Star sang higher and way differently with Big Star though I only know about 5 Big Star records (I only like Sept Gurls and the great Thirteen and a good cover of You shot a Hole in my soul).
@JimmyPage97 Sure that's what I was implying and a few other 60s singers/bands had that sound and John Cage of Steppenwolf had that sound as did Mickey Dolenze of the Monkees (this is just a joke but ha he did have it a little). You are right about The Beatles changing voices. I never really thought much of Paul's voice or his songs but John wrote , imo, most of the great Beatles songs and his voice was amazing - Just listen how he could imitate Smokey Robinson or anyone but not be obvious ..
@JimmyPage97 And I must say when John's voice changed and it might have been partly or mostly by his own design and I didn't like his voice nearly as much. From the White Album and Abbey Road (yeah everyone differs from me but these are the two worst Beatles records, IMO). And yeah I don't like Hey Jude or Let it Be. Decent or good songs that I just wish I would have heard a couple times and they wouldn't be everybody's favorites.
@JimmyPage97 So John's voice nearing the Beatles end , IMO, and solo work was good but no longer great (thanks Yoko). He did Twist and Shout an a Day in the Life and Hey you got to hide your love Away and Girl to perfection and sure some of his later songs fit his voice when it was stark or sardonic ( as Glass Onion or I am the Walrus) .
@11xzxzxz It's not the voices of John and Paul that change, its the music. The songs you suggested as "better" are very basic 50s-60s rock songs with basic chord progressions. The Beatles originally were much more marketable and they conformed to that marketability. They changed their style with clear intentions to veer away from the older contemporary style of 60s rock and mold in with the new and more "free" style of music of the later 60s and early 70s. But Lennon and Paul continued to wail
@JimmyPage97 Wrong,wrong. John's voice changed and sure he may have been able to sing like he did , perhaps, but let's not act as if we know John's voice change was great. It wasn't. He put out some just OK solo efforts and I don't think Woman or Watching the Wheels are good songs. I I didn't say Paul's voice changed as I pay little attention to bad acts. What makes you think The Beatles early songs had only basic chord progressions or that basic is somehow less than progressive?
@JimmyPage97 And lots of times people think a band is playing 3 chords but they are often so wrong. In the past I looked at chords a lot and have a preference for certain chords and they are not lumped into simple or complex and I like the 60s better than this horrible decade of so-called music even if the chords are "so very progressive" which I have no idea if they are..
@JimmyPage97 I don't really listen anymore. Who says Jimmy Page in Led Zep was better than he was in the Yardbirds or as a great session musician? Led Z stole so many lyrics and melodies and past them off as their own. I have little respect for them an only liked a few of their songs anyway.
@11xzxzxz No one says that. I strongly believe musically he was definitely a more "seasoned" guitarist and was way more creative in his Zeppelin years as apposed to his Yardbird days. Led Zeppelin did that same this that has been done so far as music has been around...They did not STEAL anything from anyone. There is a strong distinction between the definitions of Stealing and Innovation...The theft they commit is through inspiration, the people they "steal" from were their idols...
@JimmyPage97 Their thievery is a documented fact. Both Plant and Page and the Yardbirds also did it. Some bands do it a lot and Zep were kings. If Page and Plant were creative with their thief, well good for them, but they are notorious for ripoffs. A few examples: ""Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action,
@JimmyPage97 "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown." Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut). "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
@JimmyPage97 Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit. Taurus, by Spirit did a 3 min instrumental Zep copied the entire song and used it as the intro to Stairway. Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love." Vocal Stylings and arrangement
stolen from the Small Faces "You Need Lovin'", especially the signature ending, where the great Steve Marriot screams "Woman, you need lovinnnnnnn."
@11xzxzxz To put it really simply...music onlyuses 12 pitches. The point of writing a song isn't to be a holly wood star or look cool, but to achieve some aspect of unphysical connection with other people through this man made creation of music. There is really only so many different combinations of 12 items though...It is absurd to DEMAND COMPLETE originality from everyone who wishes to be considered a musician. Further If Page is a thief for using inspiration...then musicians are all thieves.
@JimmyPage97 I didn't say most musicians are borrowers or thieves at times and what makes you think I demand or only like originality? Your twelve pitch theory sounds like one avenue to understand music but also seems limited and ludicrous. Zep did steal more than most or got caught more . But Page is a great guitarist and the whole band was talented I just don't like many of their songs..that's it in a nutshell. Whole Lot of Love , Stairway are great.
@JimmyPage97 A few others are good but most, to me, are just OK. I never bought their records. Communication Breakdown and Kashmir are interesting. But if I never heard them again I wouldn't care. Plant on his own did a couple of interesting songs. Radioactive (Page and Paul Rodgers) by the Firm is very good song.. I like that one song (not the CD) more than most Zep songs.
@JimmyPage97 The Firm sucked and the band disbanded pretty quickly I think. Zep had a great drummer and Page has a great stage pretense and walks and plays very charismatically . Sometime Plant's voice is good but other times a little annoying to me. Plant loved Arthur Lee and Forever Changes CD and for that I admire him. Let's not communicate about Zep anymore as they never meant much to me. What is most interesting to me is Page as a session musician .. he did a lot of great songs.
@11xzxzxz Led Zeppelin is a band that is used here only because you originally suggested them. The point behind this is what I was getting at. You have no grounds to rag on a band for borrowing from other musicians..I'm sure Jimmy Page would be the first person to tell you if he built a song that was based on some other song (your suggested theft).
And there is no 12 pitch theory. That's the way western music works... all music from my understanding.
@JimmyPage97 You say "Jimmy would be the first person to tell you he built a song based on another song." Can you here yourself? You don't have much insight into human nature. Dig this: For a long time Plant and Page didn't own it to it and who knows what they admit now? I have no grounds to rag on a band? Sure I do. You do too. And all the evidence of thief I sent you was just stuff that anyone can find on the web.
@11xzxzxz Nah the issue here is your using "theft" in a much looser definition. Legally speaking Page obviously didn't "copyright" anything...so we must be talking about an immoral type of theft...not illegal. All musicians that have made it successfully have taken from other musicians. Rock n Roll beats are derived from the Big Bands on the 20s...they borrowed from the ragtime and dixieland tunes before them...who borrowed from before. Music has evolved this way for like the past 100 years
@JimmyPage97 Good point as I didn't know that Page didn't copyright anything. On the other hand you miss my point that it is not just me but lots of knowledgeable music critics write that Page and Zep stole A LOT MORE than most. OK? Can we kiss this topic good-bye as we are boring the world. Take Care.
@11xzxzxz What are the names of these "knowledgeable critics?" And "A LOT" more then most is a really vague statement...I would certainly demand he stole no more then EQUAL to that of anyone else.
@JimmyPage97 Just look on the web and read a magazine (hint) or book and don't ask me to do the research on such an unimportant topic to me. Can you dig it? Now can we stop this. They stole more than most bands and if you put your money where you mouth is and put up five- thousand dollars I will give you the magazine articles and the names of writers. And I am not saying it's such a crime to steal or that they are not a pretty good band. You do the research on the internet.. got it?"
@11xzxzxz No you get down with this... The INTERNET is a invalid and non-trust worthy source in my mind. Further I don't even believe you did any "research" on this. I don't believe I need to "research" this topic, the answers are in the music. Page NEVER stole from anyone, its called innovation and inspiration ( . )
@JimmyPage97 The vocal stylings and arrangement are taken from Small Faces "You Need Lovin'", especially the signature ending, where the Steve Marriot screams "Woman, you need lovinnnnnnn." The Lemon Song" is also an uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing floor" Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court for millions. Moby Dick" was written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes.
@JimmyPage97 "Nobody's Fault But Mine" is an uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues. Black Mountain Side" is an uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. "Communication Breakdown" is derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown." Dazed And Confused" is an uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song "In My Time Of Dying" "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" is an uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
@JimmyPage97 "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" (one of their really good songs) is a folk song by Anne Bredon and Page called it "traditional" wink wink and didn't credit Anne ah but then more legal action and rich Page boy had to pay up again. There are other examples that I have seen or heard from my friend. Right I wouldn't trust the web but the examples I gave you are facts you can find elsewhere. So I had to do a little research to give you names like Anne's who I never heard of and Jimmy hoped
@JimmyPage97 Nothing I said takes away from Pages great talent and innovative guitar playing but I know Hendrix, The Beatles, E Costello, G Parker, etc etc etc just didn't steal nearly as much. You are right .. Zeps versions are better as far as I can tell. I just don't like a lot of their songs much but the best ones are classic. Good night, good-bye, take care.
@11xzxzxz Hendrix played All Along the Watch Tower - Bob Dylan, Red House is an old blues song, Johny B. Goode, he also wrote a lot of songs that use the same exact chord progressions of Little Richard and older motown/soul music. The Beatles played in so many just basic 60s rock chord progressions that they borrowed from the 40's and 50's. And Rock n Roll drums are derived from the Big Band era ...EVERY band borrows.
@JimmyPage97 Yeah but everybody knew Dylan wrote watch tower; red house was old .. Jimi never tried to pass others stuff off as his own. He worshiped Dylan and was not a phony as Plant and Page were. Hendrix wrote a lot of brilliant songs: little wing, angel, wind cries mary, purple haze, Castles made of sand. Jimmy P is not a great writer or in league with Dylan, Hendrix or the Beatles. My main point. Page didn't write great songs - only whole lot of love is really great.
@JimmyPage97 How come I can't block you? Are you being paid by some rival of mine to just annoy me?
You write as if you are in college but your logic and reasoning is Neanderthal and narrow-minded. You can't understand, it seems, subtlety and complexities. If someone told me one of my heroes was borrowing and not giving credit I would investigate.I am curious. For example, I know who wrote every Beatles song inch by inch. For my personal taste I just think John wrote most of the good songs.
@JimmyPage97 Have you seen Page a lot in person? Is he touring regularly now with Plant? What are the some other bands you like? Hey I am going to listen to the Firm on youtube. "So don't stand too close don't be distractive turn me on tonight Ha I'm radio radio radio radioactive." I was not a big fan of Paul Rodgers before (sure I knew he had a great bluesy voice but Bad Company was a little generic) But his vocals on radioactive are great and the scratchy guitar from Page is great.
@JimmyPage97 Sorry .. Jimmy is just an abosolute great performer. Intoxicating. I may not be in love with much of his music but I still see he is great in many ways.
@11xzxzxz I wasn't really defending him as a performer or a skilled musician. I'm just trying to define a line between Stealing and innovation...So many musicians are praised for their innovation... while many others are bashed and have it labeled as immoral theft.
@JimmyPage97 Yeah I know what you were doing. I just think they borrowed a lot more. I don't have to call it stealing. They are praised for their innovations. They took some OK songs and make them great. My point was other bands do covers or steal a little hear and there but when I named those songs (stairway to heaven from Spirit) I don't think Neil Young or the Replacements (my favorites) did that and if they did I would take notice and be pissed off if they did it a lot and hid it.
@JimmyPage97 I know we just disagree on this so we should let it slide. Again if I was on Jimmy's payroll as you and I love the band I might defend them and would concentrate on their innovations. But I just would want to know what they "borrowed". That's just me. I look at all groups that way. I don't obsess or think Zep is immoral .. it's more like they just are not talented writers like Neil Young and the Replacements.
@JimmyPage97 Come on I know that. But I do have a minor music critic friend and he had nothing new to add but on the phone he played the Spirit song with "Stairway" opening and sure Zep much improved on it but it's a "srong borrow" let's say.
@JimmyPage97@JimmyPage97 Oh the introduction to stairway to heaven was done earlier by Spirit a band that did Fresh Garbage, I got a line on you. So go to " Spirit Taurus " on utube and hear it and weep. Just read that Led Zeppelin opened up for Spirit in '68 when Spirit went on to tour. " Led Zeppelin were strongly influenced by this band and it is well-known today that Page lifted the instrumentation from parts of this song for Stairway To Heaven".
@JimmyPage97 Friend, and I think you are 'cause we to past an stupid argument I hope, it seems you are not reading what I wrote carefully as I mentioned Taurus a couple of times prior to this.
@JimmyPage97 OK. Point was just by degree they borrowed much more than most famous bands I have heard. Someday the vision will hit you. Nah. no way for you but that is OK>
@JimmyPage97 What post are you referring to ?? I have to be very careful with you you. Nice guy I'm sure but slippery as a snake with dodges and punches to my gut .. I wish you'd just said. OK so what if they stole more than other bands does that mean anything? .. is that what you mean? The only thing it means to me personally is I appreciate those who write songs .. it's fine if you emphasize the creativity. Let's just get along. The Kinks were So tired tired of writing ?? Sorry.
@11xzxzxz No this is good. " Means to me Personally " are the words that you should have used in the original post...If you rate the status of a band 100% around its creativity that's not a problem...so long as its agreed on as an opinion. IMO, there are many things that you have to look at...And creativity is one. Now we need to define what it is to be creative cause I don't think that its official to say Originality = Creativity.
@JimmyPage97 Just being original is very creative. You miss my point .. style and creativity after the original writing is all very important to. Or sometimes everything else is nice but then you have Lady Gag Me and Justine Beiber and they do all kinds of creative stuff. It's easier to just see if we have a good song first as you say creativity is harder to define and it's mostly tastes. Well even liking an original song is just mostly about taste. I think I will just read science & math.
@11xzxzxz Original is partially creative, creativity is more then just original. Zeppelin had style and creativity with all their songs, Page did a lot of things, plant had a unique voice, JPJ was as good as any bassist/keyboardist was, and John Bonham was a killer drummer. IMO a total legendary band...
@JimmyPage97 Yeah I agree pretty much. Plant had an outstanding voice but then since I didn't think most of his lyrics (I can't dig em) it didn't matter. Christina Aguilera has a great voice but I don't like her musical show-tunes crap. Sorry not equating the two superstars. One doesn't steal. Nah, just kidding. I like Zep a lot more but they are in the middle rung. Maybe in my top 200 bands .. see if they did one more great song .. FOR ME .. they would be in the top 100.
@JimmyPage97 Damn it would you like to talk on another site (if you were a girl I'd ask if you can slip into sometime more comfortable) with less monotonous music! But I hate what I am doing to ELOfan567 and polluting his site with our really long conversation on nothingness. I will write him and ask him I should leave. haha./ I really will. Hey you have Jimi Hendrix on your site. You might live near me as you might be a hockey fan of a team near me. Oh well.
@JimmyPage97 OK .. But when someone steals a whole song or half a song it is different that one lyric or similar chords that are different enough .. well it's complicated. I know my favorites don't steal much because they are not accused .. Neil Young. He's an original guy who doesn't steal and never was accused .. but see if you can find anything. Remember he had that Jam with Jimmy Page on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. I thought Neil went to far in trying to show up Page.
@11xzxzxz I saw Neil play live at the Spectrum last year, As much as I loved all the Crazy Horse stuff ( a band as legendary as any) the one that stuck out to me the most was his COVER of Long May You Run. He also ended the show with A Day In Life...He took every single lyric
I loved the songs as much as anything, and I'm really glad he STOLE (your word) them for the show.
@JimmyPage97 Oh Yeah Oh Lonesome Me is great. Neil does play a fine harmonic. If you can get into his ballads and folky side go to Massey Hall 1971 on Youtube .. and don't think Heart of Gold is real Neil. The real deal is Needle and the Damage Done and Old Man, Birds, Expecting to Fly, Mr Soul etc. You do know Mr Soul?
@11xzxzxz Neil wrote didn't cover Long may you run - he wrote it I'm not sure you know that - and the song is mediocre at best. A Day in the Life is just creative guitar but much better by the Beatles where the song has "soul". Those songs have nothing to do with the core or essence of Neil from 66 to '80. It would be like writing LedZep actually wrote a most of their songs.
@11xzxzxz I don't know if something "went wrong" but I guess I attempt to "expand" my musical interests as best I can. I don't think the great musicians of the world listen to only what they know they like...(not that zeppelin would be "expanding" in today's musical society...typically it tends to be the opposite)
@JimmyPage97 Well you got sarcasm from me as you said I wasn't making sense except for one point. And then do you know how annoying this song is to me? I had forgotten. ha. Sometimes repetition is good but not on this. It's just interesting the first time. Well glad you liked my commenting on a comment. No more sarcasm for a few hours.
@11xzxzxz Can I take that back ..no just kidding. I obviously was thinking that sometimes you seem bright and cool but you are stubborn about Led Zep.. well I wrote an essay already and it just seemed like it took a long long time to make you see that I wasn't making that stuff up .. I heard it on the radio recently too. But as you said if doesn't matter and they are creative . but I just can't dig them like I dig Neil. Just remember when you hear Crazy Horse.. there solo stuff sucks.
@JimmyPage97 And of course as usual you are not articulate enough to explain what you don't understand. Only you are confused - Australia Pygmies would understand what I wrote better than you ..
@JimmyPage97 Get treatment. Become a little more open-minded. Have you ever changed your mind about anything in your entire life? Honestly .. nothing is a good bet.
@11xzxzxz Yeah that too .. everything. JimmyP has no appreciation of lyrics (yeah he can't even remember the lyrics to LedZ and I'll bet he is a big fan of 3 chord music with less than 20 words). Go listen to Alex Chilton's Thirteen or Paul Westerberg's Sixteen Blue sometimes and hear passion and interesting meaningful lyrics.
@Heathenstew Good list! I hate Skynryd and I can't imagine how I left them off though Freebird was OK for the first 5 listens but ooh that Smell... Metallica sucked rust but Sandman is certainly a good song. The best of the lot to me is Stevie R - he did two great Hendrix covers and Cold Shot.
@JimmyPage97 Hey what's new? And if you like Oh Lonesome Me you know nothing about Neil. And you just pass over the Crazy Horse stuff as if that is not mostly Neil .. he wrote the songs and showed them how to play the songs.. Come on now. So many albums with them. What are you thinking? You are a smart dude but when I wrote down all the ways LedZep stole it took days for it to dawn on you that I wasn't making it up.
@11xzxzxz Nothing much .... I don't really understand much of what your trying to say. But I guess the only thing that struck me as remotely interesting was your statement:
"And if you like Oh Lonesome Me you know nothing about Neil."
I'm puzzled thoroughly on how that makes any sense.
For the rest, I've listened to a ton of Neil albums, and seen him in concert 3 times; loved him every time. I don't see why your suggesting that I need to learn about Neil from you.
@JimmyPage97 I really like Billy Talbot for his bass and back up vocals on Powerfinger and so many go Crazy Horse songs. Bill Graham once called Crazy Horse the 3rd Best Garage Band in the World. I can't keep mentioning my favorites, well I could, but I know most of them didn't borrow much. But again if I like the band I don't care if they best borrow or steal. So really, underneath it all, I don't personally care if a band steals as long as I like the music.
@JimmyPage97 See lots thought Neil won the battle of guitars but I say who cares and it looked like Jimmy Page just didn't care to continue or it was not his kind of jam but it proves nothing. I do like most of Neil's playing more than Jimmy's but I might think Jimmy is a more fluid guitar player. I'd rather her Neil's solo guitar in Cowgirl in the Sand or Down by the River or Powderfinger or Cortex the Killer or his great acoustic sets .. but that is just my taste.
@JimmyPage97 Hey I just called my friend who has written mus. criticism and I left a message for him to call me and see what mags or places were his sources. Soon I will write more but he did already drive home the point that Zep thief's were a lot more and he likes the band more than me and has often told me I should pick up their greatest hits or their second record which he likes the most. He is not biased.
@JimmyPage97 cont.. hoped that nobody would catch him. So you are fuckin' wrong about Page NEVER stole anything. Yeah he was innovative but many songs he stole some. I can't think of many bands that steal like Zep. Because every once in a while I will notice similarities and steals from my favorites but it is just very rare. That is my point .. it is A MATTER OF DEGREE. The Yardbirds stole a lot more than most bands too but I like them more but I have called them out on this too.
@JimmyPage97 And sure a lot of blues-oriented bands like the early R Stones mention the originators but Zep tried to pull the wool over fans eyes a lot more than most. Anyway, write behind my back as I am blocking you and who cares about this silly argument. You made a good point about Zep not copywriting some songs and I made several good specific references to support my case.
@JimmyPage97 You will never do the research on your own cause you don't want to know the truth and really so what if they stole more, if you like 'em listen all day long. See, I don't care about Zep enough to want to go to do all the research but it's around. Yeah I understand you point that most bands borrow but Zep did it more so the term "stole" fits better. Wrote you rigid mind around that for a second and then go suck off Page in his old age. You love hm .. right? He's available...
@JimmyPage97 You are only 21 years old and you are pretty smart but in time most people get a little wiser and less idealistic after more experiences. I doubt you have not listened "one-twentyfirst" as much as I have. Don't be so rigid next time, have a little more of an open-mind .. maybe you're not rigid most of the time and you just worship Page as Jesus and can't see the lies.
Wow the first time I hear this, fucking awsome!
TheWoud 8 months ago
holy baaajeezus where have the box tops been my whole life!?
mxhumphrey 9 months ago
Good God! After all this time, I finally "discovered" the Box Tops. What a band! Soul Deep, Neon Rainbow, Sweet Cream Ladies, I Can Dig It, Cry Like a Baby, I'm Your Puppet. That's some of the best music I've ever heard. Sorry I missed the 60s. Oh well, better late than never. The music nowadays is crap. Think I'll listen to Soul Deep again.
loverofthemilf 1 year ago 3
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dami1203 1 year ago
I have now heard this song 30 times. First I hated it as simple then I liked it just a little then I tolerated it and now I don't know if I can come back anymore. If you want to hear good Alex Chilton go to Thirteen with the Box Tops. or September Gurls.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Hey R... don't look at this now.. Get your rest.. Sorry I was not thinking and it's Late.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Listen at time on youtube some people are so rigid and annoying and for fun sometimes I do this but you take the fuckin case. And you are probably a nice guy but you get obsessed and don't read. I am going to block you cause you annoy. Sumary: Stairway To Heaven" > the main guitar line is from "Taurus" by Spirit. Whole Lotta Love" lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love" .
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
People do not think because Alex is dead there needs to be a 5 years moratorium on critique... And all I was saying is that he probably was putting on a deeper voice in the 60s, and left it behind even in the 60s for Neon Rainbow (great song) and later as the songs we sung from his heart not his vocal chords when He began writing his own stuff.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
What happened with Alex's voice that it got higher for Big Star? Was Alex putting on a soul deep voice back then? Sounds like Steve Stills a bit.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz im pretty sure this is more a 60s rock psychedelic than a motown song. I wouldn't doubt he sang different intentionally.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 OK, though I was never thinking motown but just that this was his soul-deep 60's voice and it was make in 1968 and really I don't dig the song but for one listen as it's simple-ass blues rock (please no cards or letter this is my fricken opinion not law. But ALex with Big Star sang higher and way differently with Big Star though I only know about 5 Big Star records (I only like Sept Gurls and the great Thirteen and a good cover of You shot a Hole in my soul).
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Maybe because this was in the 60s rock era and Big star was more in the 70's. Music and musicians changed a lot over those decades...
The Beatles pretty much represent the same thing. Their voices in their 60's songs are way different compared to a lot of their 70's stuff.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Sure that's what I was implying and a few other 60s singers/bands had that sound and John Cage of Steppenwolf had that sound as did Mickey Dolenze of the Monkees (this is just a joke but ha he did have it a little). You are right about The Beatles changing voices. I never really thought much of Paul's voice or his songs but John wrote , imo, most of the great Beatles songs and his voice was amazing - Just listen how he could imitate Smokey Robinson or anyone but not be obvious ..
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 And I must say when John's voice changed and it might have been partly or mostly by his own design and I didn't like his voice nearly as much. From the White Album and Abbey Road (yeah everyone differs from me but these are the two worst Beatles records, IMO). And yeah I don't like Hey Jude or Let it Be. Decent or good songs that I just wish I would have heard a couple times and they wouldn't be everybody's favorites.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 So John's voice nearing the Beatles end , IMO, and solo work was good but no longer great (thanks Yoko). He did Twist and Shout an a Day in the Life and Hey you got to hide your love Away and Girl to perfection and sure some of his later songs fit his voice when it was stark or sardonic ( as Glass Onion or I am the Walrus) .
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz It's not the voices of John and Paul that change, its the music. The songs you suggested as "better" are very basic 50s-60s rock songs with basic chord progressions. The Beatles originally were much more marketable and they conformed to that marketability. They changed their style with clear intentions to veer away from the older contemporary style of 60s rock and mold in with the new and more "free" style of music of the later 60s and early 70s. But Lennon and Paul continued to wail
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Wrong,wrong. John's voice changed and sure he may have been able to sing like he did , perhaps, but let's not act as if we know John's voice change was great. It wasn't. He put out some just OK solo efforts and I don't think Woman or Watching the Wheels are good songs. I I didn't say Paul's voice changed as I pay little attention to bad acts. What makes you think The Beatles early songs had only basic chord progressions or that basic is somehow less than progressive?
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 And lots of times people think a band is playing 3 chords but they are often so wrong. In the past I looked at chords a lot and have a preference for certain chords and they are not lumped into simple or complex and I like the 60s better than this horrible decade of so-called music even if the chords are "so very progressive" which I have no idea if they are..
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 I don't really listen anymore. Who says Jimmy Page in Led Zep was better than he was in the Yardbirds or as a great session musician? Led Z stole so many lyrics and melodies and past them off as their own. I have little respect for them an only liked a few of their songs anyway.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz No one says that. I strongly believe musically he was definitely a more "seasoned" guitarist and was way more creative in his Zeppelin years as apposed to his Yardbird days. Led Zeppelin did that same this that has been done so far as music has been around...They did not STEAL anything from anyone. There is a strong distinction between the definitions of Stealing and Innovation...The theft they commit is through inspiration, the people they "steal" from were their idols...
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Their thievery is a documented fact. Both Plant and Page and the Yardbirds also did it. Some bands do it a lot and Zep were kings. If Page and Plant were creative with their thief, well good for them, but they are notorious for ripoffs. A few examples: ""Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action,
"Bredon/Page/Plant."
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown." Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut). "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing
Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled
out of court.Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes
under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit. Taurus, by Spirit did a 3 min instrumental Zep copied the entire song and used it as the intro to Stairway. Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love." Vocal Stylings and arrangement
stolen from the Small Faces "You Need Lovin'", especially the signature ending, where the great Steve Marriot screams "Woman, you need lovinnnnnnn."
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 The drum intro to "Rock 'n Roll" was a direct lift from Little
Richard's "Keep A-Knocking. There is a lot more but I'm sure you can make excuses for them. The dog ate their homework kind of stuff.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz To put it really simply...music onlyuses 12 pitches. The point of writing a song isn't to be a holly wood star or look cool, but to achieve some aspect of unphysical connection with other people through this man made creation of music. There is really only so many different combinations of 12 items though...It is absurd to DEMAND COMPLETE originality from everyone who wishes to be considered a musician. Further If Page is a thief for using inspiration...then musicians are all thieves.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 I didn't say most musicians are borrowers or thieves at times and what makes you think I demand or only like originality? Your twelve pitch theory sounds like one avenue to understand music but also seems limited and ludicrous. Zep did steal more than most or got caught more . But Page is a great guitarist and the whole band was talented I just don't like many of their songs..that's it in a nutshell. Whole Lot of Love , Stairway are great.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 A few others are good but most, to me, are just OK. I never bought their records. Communication Breakdown and Kashmir are interesting. But if I never heard them again I wouldn't care. Plant on his own did a couple of interesting songs. Radioactive (Page and Paul Rodgers) by the Firm is very good song.. I like that one song (not the CD) more than most Zep songs.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 The Firm sucked and the band disbanded pretty quickly I think. Zep had a great drummer and Page has a great stage pretense and walks and plays very charismatically . Sometime Plant's voice is good but other times a little annoying to me. Plant loved Arthur Lee and Forever Changes CD and for that I admire him. Let's not communicate about Zep anymore as they never meant much to me. What is most interesting to me is Page as a session musician .. he did a lot of great songs.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Led Zeppelin is a band that is used here only because you originally suggested them. The point behind this is what I was getting at. You have no grounds to rag on a band for borrowing from other musicians..I'm sure Jimmy Page would be the first person to tell you if he built a song that was based on some other song (your suggested theft).
And there is no 12 pitch theory. That's the way western music works... all music from my understanding.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 You say "Jimmy would be the first person to tell you he built a song based on another song." Can you here yourself? You don't have much insight into human nature. Dig this: For a long time Plant and Page didn't own it to it and who knows what they admit now? I have no grounds to rag on a band? Sure I do. You do too. And all the evidence of thief I sent you was just stuff that anyone can find on the web.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Nah the issue here is your using "theft" in a much looser definition. Legally speaking Page obviously didn't "copyright" anything...so we must be talking about an immoral type of theft...not illegal. All musicians that have made it successfully have taken from other musicians. Rock n Roll beats are derived from the Big Bands on the 20s...they borrowed from the ragtime and dixieland tunes before them...who borrowed from before. Music has evolved this way for like the past 100 years
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Good point as I didn't know that Page didn't copyright anything. On the other hand you miss my point that it is not just me but lots of knowledgeable music critics write that Page and Zep stole A LOT MORE than most. OK? Can we kiss this topic good-bye as we are boring the world. Take Care.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz What are the names of these "knowledgeable critics?" And "A LOT" more then most is a really vague statement...I would certainly demand he stole no more then EQUAL to that of anyone else.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Just look on the web and read a magazine (hint) or book and don't ask me to do the research on such an unimportant topic to me. Can you dig it? Now can we stop this. They stole more than most bands and if you put your money where you mouth is and put up five- thousand dollars I will give you the magazine articles and the names of writers. And I am not saying it's such a crime to steal or that they are not a pretty good band. You do the research on the internet.. got it?"
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz No you get down with this... The INTERNET is a invalid and non-trust worthy source in my mind. Further I don't even believe you did any "research" on this. I don't believe I need to "research" this topic, the answers are in the music. Page NEVER stole from anyone, its called innovation and inspiration ( . )
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 The vocal stylings and arrangement are taken from Small Faces "You Need Lovin'", especially the signature ending, where the Steve Marriot screams "Woman, you need lovinnnnnnn." The Lemon Song" is also an uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing floor" Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court for millions. Moby Dick" was written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
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@JimmyPage97 "Nobody's Fault But Mine" is an uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues. Black Mountain Side" is an uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. "Communication Breakdown" is derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown." Dazed And Confused" is an uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song "In My Time Of Dying" "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" is an uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" (one of their really good songs) is a folk song by Anne Bredon and Page called it "traditional" wink wink and didn't credit Anne ah but then more legal action and rich Page boy had to pay up again. There are other examples that I have seen or heard from my friend. Right I wouldn't trust the web but the examples I gave you are facts you can find elsewhere. So I had to do a little research to give you names like Anne's who I never heard of and Jimmy hoped
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Not impressed. And I liked zeppelins versions of those songs better.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Nothing I said takes away from Pages great talent and innovative guitar playing but I know Hendrix, The Beatles, E Costello, G Parker, etc etc etc just didn't steal nearly as much. You are right .. Zeps versions are better as far as I can tell. I just don't like a lot of their songs much but the best ones are classic. Good night, good-bye, take care.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Hendrix played All Along the Watch Tower - Bob Dylan, Red House is an old blues song, Johny B. Goode, he also wrote a lot of songs that use the same exact chord progressions of Little Richard and older motown/soul music. The Beatles played in so many just basic 60s rock chord progressions that they borrowed from the 40's and 50's. And Rock n Roll drums are derived from the Big Band era ...EVERY band borrows.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Yeah but everybody knew Dylan wrote watch tower; red house was old .. Jimi never tried to pass others stuff off as his own. He worshiped Dylan and was not a phony as Plant and Page were. Hendrix wrote a lot of brilliant songs: little wing, angel, wind cries mary, purple haze, Castles made of sand. Jimmy P is not a great writer or in league with Dylan, Hendrix or the Beatles. My main point. Page didn't write great songs - only whole lot of love is really great.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Zeppelin Hendrix did nothing more or less...he just covered the tune and that's it. the same "league" is a very undefined term too.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 How come I can't block you? Are you being paid by some rival of mine to just annoy me?
You write as if you are in college but your logic and reasoning is Neanderthal and narrow-minded. You can't understand, it seems, subtlety and complexities. If someone told me one of my heroes was borrowing and not giving credit I would investigate.I am curious. For example, I know who wrote every Beatles song inch by inch. For my personal taste I just think John wrote most of the good songs.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz yep. I get paid by Jimmy Page personally.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Have you seen Page a lot in person? Is he touring regularly now with Plant? What are the some other bands you like? Hey I am going to listen to the Firm on youtube. "So don't stand too close don't be distractive turn me on tonight Ha I'm radio radio radio radioactive." I was not a big fan of Paul Rodgers before (sure I knew he had a great bluesy voice but Bad Company was a little generic) But his vocals on radioactive are great and the scratchy guitar from Page is great.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Nope never seen him.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Sorry .. Jimmy is just an abosolute great performer. Intoxicating. I may not be in love with much of his music but I still see he is great in many ways.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz I wasn't really defending him as a performer or a skilled musician. I'm just trying to define a line between Stealing and innovation...So many musicians are praised for their innovation... while many others are bashed and have it labeled as immoral theft.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Yeah I know what you were doing. I just think they borrowed a lot more. I don't have to call it stealing. They are praised for their innovations. They took some OK songs and make them great. My point was other bands do covers or steal a little hear and there but when I named those songs (stairway to heaven from Spirit) I don't think Neil Young or the Replacements (my favorites) did that and if they did I would take notice and be pissed off if they did it a lot and hid it.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 I know we just disagree on this so we should let it slide. Again if I was on Jimmy's payroll as you and I love the band I might defend them and would concentrate on their innovations. But I just would want to know what they "borrowed". That's just me. I look at all groups that way. I don't obsess or think Zep is immoral .. it's more like they just are not talented writers like Neil Young and the Replacements.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Well you do so much research I'm sure you'd be able to find that Neil borrowed from many musicians too...
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz And I was just kidding... I'm not on any payroll.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Come on I know that. But I do have a minor music critic friend and he had nothing new to add but on the phone he played the Spirit song with "Stairway" opening and sure Zep much improved on it but it's a "srong borrow" let's say.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz STrong borrow not "srong". I "borrowed" strong and mixed with wrong it's "strong wrong" or srong. No I am kidding I just misspelled it .
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz And what does that mean?
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Forget it - just silly of me. Sorry, really bad humor and I didn't steal it so no one to blame.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz i was talking about the other message
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 @JimmyPage97 Oh the introduction to stairway to heaven was done earlier by Spirit a band that did Fresh Garbage, I got a line on you. So go to " Spirit Taurus " on utube and hear it and weep. Just read that Led Zeppelin opened up for Spirit in '68 when Spirit went on to tour. " Led Zeppelin were strongly influenced by this band and it is well-known today that Page lifted the instrumentation from parts of this song for Stairway To Heaven".
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Friend, and I think you are 'cause we to past an stupid argument I hope, it seems you are not reading what I wrote carefully as I mentioned Taurus a couple of times prior to this.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Nope that's not the problem. I was aware that the music of Led Zeppelin was NOT 100% original before any of this.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 OK. Point was just by degree they borrowed much more than most famous bands I have heard. Someday the vision will hit you. Nah. no way for you but that is OK>
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz even if that is true, what does that mean?
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 What post are you referring to ?? I have to be very careful with you you. Nice guy I'm sure but slippery as a snake with dodges and punches to my gut .. I wish you'd just said. OK so what if they stole more than other bands does that mean anything? .. is that what you mean? The only thing it means to me personally is I appreciate those who write songs .. it's fine if you emphasize the creativity. Let's just get along. The Kinks were So tired tired of writing ?? Sorry.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz No this is good. " Means to me Personally " are the words that you should have used in the original post...If you rate the status of a band 100% around its creativity that's not a problem...so long as its agreed on as an opinion. IMO, there are many things that you have to look at...And creativity is one. Now we need to define what it is to be creative cause I don't think that its official to say Originality = Creativity.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Just being original is very creative. You miss my point .. style and creativity after the original writing is all very important to. Or sometimes everything else is nice but then you have Lady Gag Me and Justine Beiber and they do all kinds of creative stuff. It's easier to just see if we have a good song first as you say creativity is harder to define and it's mostly tastes. Well even liking an original song is just mostly about taste. I think I will just read science & math.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Original is partially creative, creativity is more then just original. Zeppelin had style and creativity with all their songs, Page did a lot of things, plant had a unique voice, JPJ was as good as any bassist/keyboardist was, and John Bonham was a killer drummer. IMO a total legendary band...
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Yeah I agree pretty much. Plant had an outstanding voice but then since I didn't think most of his lyrics (I can't dig em) it didn't matter. Christina Aguilera has a great voice but I don't like her musical show-tunes crap. Sorry not equating the two superstars. One doesn't steal. Nah, just kidding. I like Zep a lot more but they are in the middle rung. Maybe in my top 200 bands .. see if they did one more great song .. FOR ME .. they would be in the top 100.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Damn it would you like to talk on another site (if you were a girl I'd ask if you can slip into sometime more comfortable) with less monotonous music! But I hate what I am doing to ELOfan567 and polluting his site with our really long conversation on nothingness. I will write him and ask him I should leave. haha./ I really will. Hey you have Jimi Hendrix on your site. You might live near me as you might be a hockey fan of a team near me. Oh well.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Nah I'm okay....Name a band and I'll give your something they stole.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 OK .. But when someone steals a whole song or half a song it is different that one lyric or similar chords that are different enough .. well it's complicated. I know my favorites don't steal much because they are not accused .. Neil Young. He's an original guy who doesn't steal and never was accused .. but see if you can find anything. Remember he had that Jam with Jimmy Page on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. I thought Neil went to far in trying to show up Page.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz I saw Neil play live at the Spectrum last year, As much as I loved all the Crazy Horse stuff ( a band as legendary as any) the one that stuck out to me the most was his COVER of Long May You Run. He also ended the show with A Day In Life...He took every single lyric
I loved the songs as much as anything, and I'm really glad he STOLE (your word) them for the show.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Scratch that, it was Oh Lonesome Me ( I love the harmonica in both those songs so I mix them up a lot )
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Oh Yeah Oh Lonesome Me is great. Neil does play a fine harmonic. If you can get into his ballads and folky side go to Massey Hall 1971 on Youtube .. and don't think Heart of Gold is real Neil. The real deal is Needle and the Damage Done and Old Man, Birds, Expecting to Fly, Mr Soul etc. You do know Mr Soul?
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz I listened to Neil before I listened to Page.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 What went wrong?
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Neil wrote didn't cover Long may you run - he wrote it I'm not sure you know that - and the song is mediocre at best. A Day in the Life is just creative guitar but much better by the Beatles where the song has "soul". Those songs have nothing to do with the core or essence of Neil from 66 to '80. It would be like writing LedZep actually wrote a most of their songs.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz I don't know if something "went wrong" but I guess I attempt to "expand" my musical interests as best I can. I don't think the great musicians of the world listen to only what they know they like...(not that zeppelin would be "expanding" in today's musical society...typically it tends to be the opposite)
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 That's OK I was trying to see how your thinking was coming along... take care.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Oh I understand completely (sarcasm) .... So how did the results come out? Has my thinking come along positively or negativity?
Oh and I like how you even made sure to comment back on your own comment (just a few comments down from the top) ... Made me laugh.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Well you got sarcasm from me as you said I wasn't making sense except for one point. And then do you know how annoying this song is to me? I had forgotten. ha. Sometimes repetition is good but not on this. It's just interesting the first time. Well glad you liked my commenting on a comment. No more sarcasm for a few hours.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Can I take that back ..no just kidding. I obviously was thinking that sometimes you seem bright and cool but you are stubborn about Led Zep.. well I wrote an essay already and it just seemed like it took a long long time to make you see that I wasn't making that stuff up .. I heard it on the radio recently too. But as you said if doesn't matter and they are creative . but I just can't dig them like I dig Neil. Just remember when you hear Crazy Horse.. there solo stuff sucks.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz and you still aren't making sense
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 And of course as usual you are not articulate enough to explain what you don't understand. Only you are confused - Australia Pygmies would understand what I wrote better than you ..
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Honestly...everything.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Get treatment. Become a little more open-minded. Have you ever changed your mind about anything in your entire life? Honestly .. nothing is a good bet.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Yeah that too .. everything. JimmyP has no appreciation of lyrics (yeah he can't even remember the lyrics to LedZ and I'll bet he is a big fan of 3 chord music with less than 20 words). Go listen to Alex Chilton's Thirteen or Paul Westerberg's Sixteen Blue sometimes and hear passion and interesting meaningful lyrics.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz .... What is 11zxzxzxz talking about Continued ....
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 I should tell the world .. the bands that are most overrated:
I don't even like but one or two songs but these bores:
Pink Floyd. 1 good song - Money. the rest leave me uncomfortably numb to their music.
Grateful Dead. OK 5 good songs.
Hey I would never want to steal from them. I think Pink stole or Gilmore does Neil Young.
What bands do you hate that everyone else in the world loves?
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynryd , Stevie Ray Vaughn , Metallica ,
Heathenstew 1 year ago
@Heathenstew Good list! I hate Skynryd and I can't imagine how I left them off though Freebird was OK for the first 5 listens but ooh that Smell... Metallica sucked rust but Sandman is certainly a good song. The best of the lot to me is Stevie R - he did two great Hendrix covers and Cold Shot.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Hey what's new? And if you like Oh Lonesome Me you know nothing about Neil. And you just pass over the Crazy Horse stuff as if that is not mostly Neil .. he wrote the songs and showed them how to play the songs.. Come on now. So many albums with them. What are you thinking? You are a smart dude but when I wrote down all the ways LedZep stole it took days for it to dawn on you that I wasn't making it up.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Nothing much .... I don't really understand much of what your trying to say. But I guess the only thing that struck me as remotely interesting was your statement:
"And if you like Oh Lonesome Me you know nothing about Neil."
I'm puzzled thoroughly on how that makes any sense.
For the rest, I've listened to a ton of Neil albums, and seen him in concert 3 times; loved him every time. I don't see why your suggesting that I need to learn about Neil from you.
JimmyPage97 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 I really like Billy Talbot for his bass and back up vocals on Powerfinger and so many go Crazy Horse songs. Bill Graham once called Crazy Horse the 3rd Best Garage Band in the World. I can't keep mentioning my favorites, well I could, but I know most of them didn't borrow much. But again if I like the band I don't care if they best borrow or steal. So really, underneath it all, I don't personally care if a band steals as long as I like the music.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 See lots thought Neil won the battle of guitars but I say who cares and it looked like Jimmy Page just didn't care to continue or it was not his kind of jam but it proves nothing. I do like most of Neil's playing more than Jimmy's but I might think Jimmy is a more fluid guitar player. I'd rather her Neil's solo guitar in Cowgirl in the Sand or Down by the River or Powderfinger or Cortex the Killer or his great acoustic sets .. but that is just my taste.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 Hey I just called my friend who has written mus. criticism and I left a message for him to call me and see what mags or places were his sources. Soon I will write more but he did already drive home the point that Zep thief's were a lot more and he likes the band more than me and has often told me I should pick up their greatest hits or their second record which he likes the most. He is not biased.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 cont.. hoped that nobody would catch him. So you are fuckin' wrong about Page NEVER stole anything. Yeah he was innovative but many songs he stole some. I can't think of many bands that steal like Zep. Because every once in a while I will notice similarities and steals from my favorites but it is just very rare. That is my point .. it is A MATTER OF DEGREE. The Yardbirds stole a lot more than most bands too but I like them more but I have called them out on this too.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 And sure a lot of blues-oriented bands like the early R Stones mention the originators but Zep tried to pull the wool over fans eyes a lot more than most. Anyway, write behind my back as I am blocking you and who cares about this silly argument. You made a good point about Zep not copywriting some songs and I made several good specific references to support my case.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 You will never do the research on your own cause you don't want to know the truth and really so what if they stole more, if you like 'em listen all day long. See, I don't care about Zep enough to want to go to do all the research but it's around. Yeah I understand you point that most bands borrow but Zep did it more so the term "stole" fits better. Wrote you rigid mind around that for a second and then go suck off Page in his old age. You love hm .. right? He's available...
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@JimmyPage97 You are only 21 years old and you are pretty smart but in time most people get a little wiser and less idealistic after more experiences. I doubt you have not listened "one-twentyfirst" as much as I have. Don't be so rigid next time, have a little more of an open-mind .. maybe you're not rigid most of the time and you just worship Page as Jesus and can't see the lies.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
"Can ya dig it?.....I thought that ya could?!
iamroughdraft 1 year ago
OK - I'd never heard this before I jammed on it in a pub...but a contemporary version ca't be a bad thing...see my channel!
dadisgreat1 1 year ago
R.I.P. Alex!!!
whiskersdog77 1 year ago 2
Just lurve Alex Chilton!
SunshineValentine 3 years ago 2