One day Dershowitz is going to get charged with fraud for publicly proposing so many 'rewards' for people finding his mistakes and lies documented, and then refusing to pay up. I think by now he owes just Norman Finkelstein a house in Malibu or a private college. A private college whose students he will then call anti-Semitic for quoting Benny Morris history books.
Hah, Dershowitz even called Desmond Tutu "a bigot," because apparently it is racist on the part of an anti-apartheid movement leader to see any similarities between his history and that of the Palestinians. Here he deems a comparison of the IDF's occupation tactics with those of the Gestapo as anti-Semitic, which is absurd: it may be tactless, it may be overblown, it may be ahistorical, but anti-Semitic, hardly. Just pointing out the racist laws enacted in Israel becomes 'racist.'
When lobby groups like AIPAC threaten, it is done in the background...from AIPAC assistants to political assistants. Politicians get the message clearly.
Threats are real and all politicians bend to them. It is a back room manipulation that would do nothing for Zionism to take credit for it.
to "mangojuice7" If you knew what apartheid, land grab and ethnic cleansing was then I don't think you would be using those words in the context of Zionism. Or perhaps you don't know what Zionism is?
Dershowitz claimed at Brandeis last year that nobody is called an anti Semite solely for critiquing Israel. This was one day after an editorial in the Boston Globe written by the wife of the Brandeis president stated that criticism of Israel was de facto antisemitism. Dershowitz is a liar
@oldjoe5 Dershowitz still acts as if there was no Internet and no LexisNexis searches available; I can fact-check you as you talk, you lying asshole!
Larry Summers, then president of Harvard, ex-economic-crisis-enabler, ex-Obama-administration-employee, also had a statement that any criticism of Israel is "in effect" engaging in anti-Semitism. He's an asshole, too.
I'm not a fan of Dershowitz, but Michael Lerner is a sick vermin that brings shame to the Jewish People. Why people still calling this scum rabbi? He is a pathetic self-hating Jew.
As much as I respect Rabbi Lerner, I couldn't disagree with him more. The ADL didn't call Carter anti-Semitic for contextual criticism of Israel, but for "hold[ing] forth that the issues of Israel and the Middle East have not been discussed and debated because Jews and Zionists have closed off means of discussion". In my experience it is much more common for critics of the Palestinian to be called Islamophobic or racist than vica versa.
What an idiot this Lerner is. He doesn't actually present any examples of public figures being called anti-Semitic! It's a myth. Nobody has ever engaged in fair, contextual criticism of Israeli policy and subsequently been labelled anti-Semitic.
jewish tv channel, jewish writers and staff thats paid by jews of course the truth is NOT coming out! the REAL reason behind "anti-semitism" is JEWS and zionism! they kill people and then they blame people for getting mad or not being brainwashed by there fucking filthy media!
who cares what makes you sick?all people need to do to look into these "conspiracy theories" is to just look at those who own the medias and who they are. THATS IT!
wow!what a way of changing the subject!well done. the media in britain is not something i can talk about because i havent seen it but i have seen the american one and they all say the same thing.and its not only the tvchannels but hollywood that the zionist control
are you gonna deny that too? 4/5 of the biggest media companies are controlled by jews,and the fifth is rupert murdochs and he´s a BIGGER zionist then the jews!are you gonna deny that too??
wow! I wasn't at all changing the subject, my point was, if Zionists own the media, then why is it anti-Zionist? It doesn't make sense. That wasn't at all changing the subject. You can't blame the people who own the BBC for being Jewish, it's not a fault, and there's nothing preventing Gentiles from being the head of such companies. I don't understand why you think it's such a big deal!
the media is anti-zionist???are you kidding me??litsen, in starting to think that im burning my time on a little kid who lived in pluto for the last decades!theres nothing anti-zionist about the media,NOTHING!they're all pro-israel.
wrong, I was referring to British media, which is being investigated because it is blatantly anti-Israel!!! You could also argue that men control the media, but why are you picking up on the Jews? Explain why you don't like it?
its not about jews,its about zionist telling people what to think and what to say and not to say.sit-coms,movies,talkshows are designed to brainwash people,what i feel about the zionist media and why can not fit in this tiny square.
that's not true at all... Movies are a form of art, not necessarily a form of indoctrination... You need to get a hold of yourself, you're pathetic. There's nothing wrong with Zionists anyway.
if i could only explain to you how little i care about what you think is "pathetic" and now you are for the zionist? like i said before, you see what you want to see and the truth is the truth and theres nothing i can say to you that will ever turn you to the truth.
well now that's the pot calling the kettle 'black'. You believe what you want to belive, if you want to believe that the media is run by Zionists, then you will look for the information on it, in your words "you see what you want to see"
7beers, there's only room in this six and a half minute clip for one lunatic, and you chose poorly, my friend. Dershowitz is the lunatic. Do you also believe Ahmadinejad has called for the genocide of "The Jews"? I wouldn't put it past you, as you seem to be incapable of thinking.
1. The head of Iran has said explicitly that he wants to destroy Israel. Do you disagree with that? 2. My harsh labelling of Mr. Lerner does not in and of itself prove anything about my capacity for thinking.
1. Yes, I disagree. He said, "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad" ("The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"). He compared this regime falling to the fall of the Soviet regime, a "fall" in which the Russian population was not eradicated. Ahmadinejad has NEVER, repeat NEVER, called for the killing of Jews.
Maybe I'm not understanding you. You asked what would happen if the Zionist regime fell. The answer is: the same thing that happened in Russia. The regime would change; the people would live. In other words, you answered your own question. What am I not getting about your post?
I'm suggesting that the analogy does not apply. When the USSR collapsed, the country of Russia remained, and the people of Russia remained. If the government of the State of Israel were to fall, what political entity would take its place?
The Palestinians are such peaceful people. They murder Jews in shopping malls, discos, restaurants. The Jews should certainly show great sympathy to such people.
Israelis occupy their lands, demolish their houses, kill women children, kill or jail the men, humiliate and entire nation, and you expect them to be nice and sit back and do nothing? The Israeli's and their Christian and Jewish supporters around the world have lost their humanity.
wait a minute, it would seem you're trying to justify killing innocent civilians in schools and hospitals? I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Nothing, legitimizes suicide bombings!!
2. No, perhaps you can think. Do some research on what Ahmadinejad said, who translated his original speech, who repeated this translation, etc. They get back to me.
Dershowitz is not only shallow, he is a complete lunatic and a pathological liar. Does he really believe the crap that comes out of his mouth? "Critics of Israel are never labeled anti-semitic". Give me a break!
Dershowitz is a very shallow scholar and a hypocrite. Please read Dershowitz's book "The case for Peace" to see his hypocrisy. He is a stauch supporter of Israel's human rights violations and the annexation wall which is disecting the west bank.
You and hkoehli are both very wrong. Dershowitz is a brilliant, clear thinker. I haven't read "The Case for Peace" but I have read "The Case for Israel", and to call him a staunch supporter of Israel's human rights violations is stunningly false. And your calling it the "annexation wall", "which is dissecting the west bank" is so patently untrue that it reveals your utter lack of desire for honest debate.
7beers is almost as crazy as Dershowitz. Read "The Case Against Israel" or anything by Norman Finkelstein to see what a shyster Dershowitz is. 7beers, do you have any idea what a psychopath is? You should look it up.
It's easy to label people "psycopaths" and "crazy", but it hardly proves anything. The "annexation wall" is neither. In about 80% of its perimeter, it's a fence. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. And its purpose was to stop people from doing things like blowing up Jewish teenagers in nightclubs. If this goal does not seem resonable to you, then perhaps it it because Jewish blood is cheap in your eyes.
7beers, your Hasbara manual is showing. 97% of the 'fences' I've seen in my life have been made of wood or chain-link. If the annexation wall is a fence, I'd love to come to your house and see what kind of "fence" you've got around it.
And no, Jewish blood is not cheap in my eyes. In fact, if you research the history of Zionism you will see that it is the so-called leaders of the Jews that have had the least regard for Jewish blood. Just read some Jabotinsky, some Herzl, some Ben-Gurion.
1. What do you believe the fence is made of, and please state your sources. 2. Your words on Jewish leadership are ridiculous: Herzl never sent boys strapped with bombs to blew up Jewish teens in shopping malls and night clubs. Herzl never said: "Kill a Jew wherever you find him."
He is a disgrace to Harvard and academia. I am all for honest debate. It's Jews like you who don't want to have a debate. There is no debate about this issue in the mainstream media. Watch the debate between DIRTSHOWUSS and Norman Finkelstein on democracy now. You disagree that the wall is dissecting the West Bank. The wall is being biult in the west bank, not on the border. The international court of Justice said the wall is illegal, You Fucking idiot.
Michael Lerner is a piece of garbage.
landline00 8 months ago
Dershowitz is completely full of it. He says "go ahead criticize Israel", then he obstructs the tenure of Finkelstein because he criticizes Israel.
flowerdrop1 1 year ago
pharisee is what lerner is.
rachiejos 1 year ago
One day Dershowitz is going to get charged with fraud for publicly proposing so many 'rewards' for people finding his mistakes and lies documented, and then refusing to pay up. I think by now he owes just Norman Finkelstein a house in Malibu or a private college. A private college whose students he will then call anti-Semitic for quoting Benny Morris history books.
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
Hah, Dershowitz even called Desmond Tutu "a bigot," because apparently it is racist on the part of an anti-apartheid movement leader to see any similarities between his history and that of the Palestinians. Here he deems a comparison of the IDF's occupation tactics with those of the Gestapo as anti-Semitic, which is absurd: it may be tactless, it may be overblown, it may be ahistorical, but anti-Semitic, hardly. Just pointing out the racist laws enacted in Israel becomes 'racist.'
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
Ahem, "Rabbi Lerner's Home in the Berkeley Hills Attacked by Right-Wing Zionists" May 3rd 2010
mattomynameo 1 year ago
Lerner is a repulsive, ugly, and traitorous individual.
landline00 2 years ago
Dershowitz is a liar.
a shame to his title of university professor
testhmtest 2 years ago 5
JEWS + AMERICA= <3 4EVER
no
ZIONISM + AMERICA= <3 4EVER
no no
ZIONISM=AMERICA
TheEnemiesEnemy 2 years ago
Zio-nazi-sm is a stain on the history of the Jewish people.
Terminator6324 2 years ago
How about the option that anti-semitism is created by Jews? Nah, that's crazy talk
JewsBackstabAmerica 2 years ago
It wasnt created by jews, but a man that hated the jews.
He was called Wilhelm Marr.
besmb2105 2 years ago 3
Fuck off you inbred racist prick.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago 2
Your mother and your father are siblings.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
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alan dirtyshits should go live with the muslim bastards in palestine
gazaking777 3 years ago
Michael Lerner is a disgrace for Israel and the Jewish People. A sad and pathetic individual.
zionsimas 3 years ago
When lobby groups like AIPAC threaten, it is done in the background...from AIPAC assistants to political assistants. Politicians get the message clearly.
Threats are real and all politicians bend to them. It is a back room manipulation that would do nothing for Zionism to take credit for it.
JohnnyRock2000 3 years ago
I wonder if they see our criticism of the Jewish media and have taken note. This explains the change in attitude.
FinalWar1444 3 years ago
Zionism is barely different to Nazism - apartheid laws, a chosen people, land grabs, ethnic cleansing, lebensraum etc.
mangojuice7 3 years ago 3
to "mangojuice7" If you knew what apartheid, land grab and ethnic cleansing was then I don't think you would be using those words in the context of Zionism. Or perhaps you don't know what Zionism is?
swim3330 3 years ago 3
are you fucking serious? i can't believe there are people who still believe what you do on this planet.
soulwomyn 3 years ago
Dershowitz claimed at Brandeis last year that nobody is called an anti Semite solely for critiquing Israel. This was one day after an editorial in the Boston Globe written by the wife of the Brandeis president stated that criticism of Israel was de facto antisemitism. Dershowitz is a liar
oldjoe5 4 years ago
@oldjoe5 Dershowitz still acts as if there was no Internet and no LexisNexis searches available; I can fact-check you as you talk, you lying asshole!
Larry Summers, then president of Harvard, ex-economic-crisis-enabler, ex-Obama-administration-employee, also had a statement that any criticism of Israel is "in effect" engaging in anti-Semitism. He's an asshole, too.
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
I'm not a fan of Dershowitz, but Michael Lerner is a sick vermin that brings shame to the Jewish People. Why people still calling this scum rabbi? He is a pathetic self-hating Jew.
zionsimas 4 years ago
Lerner looks like such a moron, even he must know he's making up rubbish, he couldn't give one example...
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
As much as I respect Rabbi Lerner, I couldn't disagree with him more. The ADL didn't call Carter anti-Semitic for contextual criticism of Israel, but for "hold[ing] forth that the issues of Israel and the Middle East have not been discussed and debated because Jews and Zionists have closed off means of discussion". In my experience it is much more common for critics of the Palestinian to be called Islamophobic or racist than vica versa.
kissfan7 4 years ago
hahahaha lerner isnt a rabbi... hes an idiot
swim3330 4 years ago
What an idiot this Lerner is. He doesn't actually present any examples of public figures being called anti-Semitic! It's a myth. Nobody has ever engaged in fair, contextual criticism of Israeli policy and subsequently been labelled anti-Semitic.
corcman19 4 years ago
jewish tv channel, jewish writers and staff thats paid by jews of course the truth is NOT coming out! the REAL reason behind "anti-semitism" is JEWS and zionism! they kill people and then they blame people for getting mad or not being brainwashed by there fucking filthy media!
sorso08 4 years ago
Oh, that 'Jews control the media' filth again. Please get a grip and stop spouting your pathetic conspiracy theories. You make me sick!
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
who cares what makes you sick?all people need to do to look into these "conspiracy theories" is to just look at those who own the medias and who they are. THATS IT!
PathTooIslam 4 years ago
then how come the media in Britain is so bias towards the Palestinians?
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
wow!what a way of changing the subject!well done. the media in britain is not something i can talk about because i havent seen it but i have seen the american one and they all say the same thing.and its not only the tvchannels but hollywood that the zionist control
PathTooIslam 4 years ago
are you gonna deny that too? 4/5 of the biggest media companies are controlled by jews,and the fifth is rupert murdochs and he´s a BIGGER zionist then the jews!are you gonna deny that too??
PathTooIslam 4 years ago
wow! I wasn't at all changing the subject, my point was, if Zionists own the media, then why is it anti-Zionist? It doesn't make sense. That wasn't at all changing the subject. You can't blame the people who own the BBC for being Jewish, it's not a fault, and there's nothing preventing Gentiles from being the head of such companies. I don't understand why you think it's such a big deal!
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
the media is anti-zionist???are you kidding me??litsen, in starting to think that im burning my time on a little kid who lived in pluto for the last decades!theres nothing anti-zionist about the media,NOTHING!they're all pro-israel.
PathTooIslam 4 years ago
wrong, I was referring to British media, which is being investigated because it is blatantly anti-Israel!!! You could also argue that men control the media, but why are you picking up on the Jews? Explain why you don't like it?
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
its not about jews,its about zionist telling people what to think and what to say and not to say.sit-coms,movies,talkshows are designed to brainwash people,what i feel about the zionist media and why can not fit in this tiny square.
PathTooIslam 4 years ago
that's not true at all... Movies are a form of art, not necessarily a form of indoctrination... You need to get a hold of yourself, you're pathetic. There's nothing wrong with Zionists anyway.
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
if i could only explain to you how little i care about what you think is "pathetic" and now you are for the zionist? like i said before, you see what you want to see and the truth is the truth and theres nothing i can say to you that will ever turn you to the truth.
PathTooIslam 4 years ago
well now that's the pot calling the kettle 'black'. You believe what you want to belive, if you want to believe that the media is run by Zionists, then you will look for the information on it, in your words "you see what you want to see"
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
@smoovecriminal6 LOL, "investigated" by who, the ADL? :D
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
Michael Lerner is a dangerous lunatic. I haven't decided yet whether he is evil or insane or both.
7beers 5 years ago
7beers, there's only room in this six and a half minute clip for one lunatic, and you chose poorly, my friend. Dershowitz is the lunatic. Do you also believe Ahmadinejad has called for the genocide of "The Jews"? I wouldn't put it past you, as you seem to be incapable of thinking.
hkoehli 5 years ago
1. The head of Iran has said explicitly that he wants to destroy Israel. Do you disagree with that? 2. My harsh labelling of Mr. Lerner does not in and of itself prove anything about my capacity for thinking.
7beers 5 years ago
1. Yes, I disagree. He said, "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad" ("The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"). He compared this regime falling to the fall of the Soviet regime, a "fall" in which the Russian population was not eradicated. Ahmadinejad has NEVER, repeat NEVER, called for the killing of Jews.
hkoehli 5 years ago
When the Soviet regime fell, the people of Russia remained. What is to become of the 5.5 million Jews when the "Israeli regime" falls?
7beers 4 years ago
Didn't you just answer your own question? Yes, it seems you did. Congratulations. and it only took 2 months.
hkoehli 4 years ago
I do not understand what you wrote here.
7beers 4 years ago
Question: "What is to become of the 5.5 million Jews when the "Israeli regime" falls?"
Answer: "When the Soviet regime fell, the people of Russia remained."
Thanks for at least being honest.
hkoehli 4 years ago
You're repeating yourself. I already said that I didn't understand your previous comment.
7beers 4 years ago
Maybe I'm not understanding you. You asked what would happen if the Zionist regime fell. The answer is: the same thing that happened in Russia. The regime would change; the people would live. In other words, you answered your own question. What am I not getting about your post?
hkoehli 4 years ago
I'm suggesting that the analogy does not apply. When the USSR collapsed, the country of Russia remained, and the people of Russia remained. If the government of the State of Israel were to fall, what political entity would take its place?
7beers 4 years ago
if the israeli regime falls I hope the jews will be treated better than the palestinians have been.
lordzombie 4 years ago
The Palestinians are such peaceful people. They murder Jews in shopping malls, discos, restaurants. The Jews should certainly show great sympathy to such people.
7beers 4 years ago
Israelis occupy their lands, demolish their houses, kill women children, kill or jail the men, humiliate and entire nation, and you expect them to be nice and sit back and do nothing? The Israeli's and their Christian and Jewish supporters around the world have lost their humanity.
pakiman47 4 years ago
wait a minute, it would seem you're trying to justify killing innocent civilians in schools and hospitals? I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Nothing, legitimizes suicide bombings!!
smoovecriminal6 4 years ago
and he NEVER said anything about "wipind israel from earth"!
sorso08 4 years ago
2. No, perhaps you can think. Do some research on what Ahmadinejad said, who translated his original speech, who repeated this translation, etc. They get back to me.
hkoehli 5 years ago
Dershowitz is not only shallow, he is a complete lunatic and a pathological liar. Does he really believe the crap that comes out of his mouth? "Critics of Israel are never labeled anti-semitic". Give me a break!
hkoehli 5 years ago
Hi Hkoehli,
You are so true.
99MIO
99MIO 5 years ago
Dershowitz is a very shallow scholar and a hypocrite. Please read Dershowitz's book "The case for Peace" to see his hypocrisy. He is a stauch supporter of Israel's human rights violations and the annexation wall which is disecting the west bank.
99MIO 5 years ago
You and hkoehli are both very wrong. Dershowitz is a brilliant, clear thinker. I haven't read "The Case for Peace" but I have read "The Case for Israel", and to call him a staunch supporter of Israel's human rights violations is stunningly false. And your calling it the "annexation wall", "which is dissecting the west bank" is so patently untrue that it reveals your utter lack of desire for honest debate.
7beers 5 years ago
7beers is almost as crazy as Dershowitz. Read "The Case Against Israel" or anything by Norman Finkelstein to see what a shyster Dershowitz is. 7beers, do you have any idea what a psychopath is? You should look it up.
hkoehli 5 years ago
It's easy to label people "psycopaths" and "crazy", but it hardly proves anything. The "annexation wall" is neither. In about 80% of its perimeter, it's a fence. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. And its purpose was to stop people from doing things like blowing up Jewish teenagers in nightclubs. If this goal does not seem resonable to you, then perhaps it it because Jewish blood is cheap in your eyes.
7beers 5 years ago
7beers, your Hasbara manual is showing. 97% of the 'fences' I've seen in my life have been made of wood or chain-link. If the annexation wall is a fence, I'd love to come to your house and see what kind of "fence" you've got around it.
And no, Jewish blood is not cheap in my eyes. In fact, if you research the history of Zionism you will see that it is the so-called leaders of the Jews that have had the least regard for Jewish blood. Just read some Jabotinsky, some Herzl, some Ben-Gurion.
hkoehli 5 years ago
1. What do you believe the fence is made of, and please state your sources. 2. Your words on Jewish leadership are ridiculous: Herzl never sent boys strapped with bombs to blew up Jewish teens in shopping malls and night clubs. Herzl never said: "Kill a Jew wherever you find him."
7beers 5 years ago
He is a disgrace to Harvard and academia. I am all for honest debate. It's Jews like you who don't want to have a debate. There is no debate about this issue in the mainstream media. Watch the debate between DIRTSHOWUSS and Norman Finkelstein on democracy now. You disagree that the wall is dissecting the West Bank. The wall is being biult in the west bank, not on the border. The international court of Justice said the wall is illegal, You Fucking idiot.
99MIO 4 years ago