For an intellectual wannabe, you have a pretty ridiculous speech. Also, try not to look like a sexy intellectual, for you are only making fun of yourself.
I thought this was going to worth the time, but I stopped watching after 2 minutes.
Read the thread, I addressed this already: no matter how principled one would like to be, the Bloc is impossible to ignore. But acknowledging the realities of the situation does not equate to aiding and abetting - the alliance takes that further step. Read the agreement (I linked it) and tell me you're comfortable with the language. Also, I never said I loved the Conservatives. I'd prefer to be tearing them a new one, but this nonsense can't be ignored.
Junta? That's ridiculous. Harper hangs with the Bloc when it suits him.
You need to do your research.
In 2005 Harper was proposing, with the support of Duceppe, a type of sovereignty association for Québec that was different from what Quebec has now. He thought that would get him fresh votes in la belle province. It didn't work.
Not exactly. The Governor General is the Queen's representative in Canada, whose main power is the ability to veto any legislation that the elected government tries to pass, and administrative duties such as the prorogue (suspension) she recently announced.
In practice, however, the GG seldom wields any power - like the Queen, if she were to try to wield power the whole system would quickly be disbanded by the Canadian/British/Australian/etc. people. This was a rare instance.
Nice video dude.The funniest part is that nobody in the media is mentioning that the *cough* coalitions reason for trying to overthrow Harper is because of political party financing.If they were at least honest about that instead of the bullshit they are spewing about the cons not addressing the global economic crisis effectively enough then that would be one thing.But to lie through their teeth irks me more than Harper being an arrogant dick.
I also have to disagree that the best thing for us now is another election. Fact is, I can't see things clearing up at all from another election. I always vote, but most of us have to admit that our votes are largely pointless. To me, this all points to a huge need for serious electoral reform. I support proportional representation, but I'm open to other ideas.
The other possible idea is the one that Rick Mercer suggests - Dion needs to resign NOW. But Harper does too. Then we can start over.
Interesting video. A bit overdramatic (and the music is a bit weird), but I share your frustration.
I don't agree at all that this can be likened to a junta staging a coup. Think about the strength of the "Anyone but Conservative" movement during the election. I do believe that a majority of Canadians feel that these three parties (yes, including the Bloc) have more in common with each other than with the CPC. I realize that this is hugely divisive, though. Gonna continue and a bit more...
Oh yeah, I wrote my MP. One of the few Liberals who were unhappy with Parliament (Judy Sgro.) She has the same opinion that Harper has; that we all need to sit down and focus on the economic issues.
Of course we know this isn't about the economy, it's pure politics, and thus all MPs are looking even worse.
Loved the video; most objective (and critical) one about the coalition. I'm kind of tired of all the pro/con coalition videos on here.
I agree that Harper isn't the gentlest of PMs or popular, and the other leaders are just grabbing for power over the lateness of the stimulus (which is coming eventually regardless of whoever's bringing it.) I'm kind of happy about the prorogue (so we can cool down), but I don't support it or the coalition.
Hey, thanks a lot - I tried hard to look at it from all angles, and I'm about 80% certain that my stance isn't based on the fact that I want Harper to lead the Country (as opposed to, etc.) Give me a few months, and I'll be harping on Harper.
The issue is, that people voted for their MPs with a certain understanding of what they were going to do - last spring the Liberals had said they would not form a coalition with the NDP. this coalition manipulates both the voters, as well as the spirit of the law. It's perfectly legal, while still being sneaky and manipulative. There's a good reason most Canadians are upset about this.
I don't know, I think we're in a transition period; the Liberals have shaken their position of 'Natural Leading Party of Canada" and what we're seeing is a new equilibrium settling in. The dyed-in-the-wool voters of any stripe are fading away, and people are starting to critique the parties, voting based upon who has the best policies, not out of sheer habit. Of course, whether or not we need voting reform (and what kind) is whole other issue - not one I'm an expert at, either.
In Canada we vote for our government. We do not accept coalitions. Minority governments should tread lightly but that is not out P.M.'s style. I like that The other babies want their bottle. Take your coalition to the people or fuck off.
Some people don't want to accept coalitions. There's nothing in the constitution, laws, or tradition of the country that says we as a country don't accept them.
The issue is this: None of the MP's that you, or I, or anyone else voted for, ran on a platform of "Alliance with Party 'X' " in fact many, including Dion, said they would not stand for an alliance. While I accept the fact that some voters did not vote FOR their MP, there was no option on the Ballot for "I vote for 'Not Harper' ".
When a decision to vote is made, by an educated citizen, it is generally based on one of three things. Federal Platform, Provincial Platform, or strength of character
All pretty good points. But imagine for a moment there was an option on the ballot for "Not Harper." (Or maybe for "Liberals, then NDP, then Green," or something to the effect) I'm willing to bet that you would have seen a pretty significant number of votes in that direction, which, to me, speaks a chunk toward the idea that we might benefit from a change in the way we hold elections.
This guy probably thinks that we vote for the president of Canada just like the US. You can only vote for an MP who is associated to a political party of your choice in your riding and that's it. To pick the leader of the party you need to be a member and go to their convention. MPs are free to associate with other political parties in a parlementary democracy. Harper should of assured himself with the confidence of a majority in the house before antagonising the opposition. Now he's stuck.
I don't think these sorts of assumptions will get you very far. Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that this guy is not an idiot, or more to the point that he has, at some point, voted. We all know that we don't vote for the Prime Minister.
Having throw his fixed election lie down the drain, Harper has us spend millions to elect members of parliment so they can vote on our behalf, and Harper closes parliment to avoid a vote? And nitwits call a coalition a coup when thats the way the parliment works (they should stop watching CNN, we dont elect a presient)
Here something on the lighter side
/watch?v=xe-DFZA6pR0
Here something more important on bank of canada and debt
I'd like to point out to anyone checking out the second link, that it is a conspiracy theory; if it actually sounds plausible to you, then I strongly recommend picking up some text books on micro- and macroeconomics, and learning the basics of the science. Don't just take these guys' at face value.
"recommend picking up some text books on micro- and macroeconomics"
Then you should recommend a specific text book, because the ones I have read dont explain fractional reserve banking. Are you going to tell me there is no fractional reserve and that banks keep 100% of your deposit until you come and pick it up? If they loan out 90%, whoever sold something to the person making the loan will deposit it, so that same money is deposited twice and loaned again
If you think the Bloc is better for Canada, or that the NDP is good for the economy, you really need to do your homework. I don't even like the Conservatives, but at least they're making more-or-less the right moves for the economic downturn.
Like nashnwo0 said, "Bloc wont have powers to make law just have power to shoot it down from the Coalition which means if Bloc ain't happy then we go back to elections where Bloc gets nothing so stop twisting truths."
And about NDP, has it ever been tried as part of the federal government? No, so you can't say it will be bad for the economy especially if they invest in the infrastructure.
Tories are making moves? What moves? Explain.
On top of it all, the coalition is led by Liberals.
To put it as succinctly as possible, the best thing the government can do right now is very little - print or borrow too much money, and the resulting inflation/credit vacuum (two sides of the same coin) will directly harm anybody not directly receiving federal funding, and indirectly harm those who are. Do nothing, and fulfill a promise (which wasn't actually made) not to go into deficit, and the economy will recover faster, but some people will suffer extreme poverty. Spending lots wont help
We're gonna hit deficit regardless of whoever's budget goes through. I'm not a fan of Harper, but I'd rather take a conservative fiscal view in times of recession: more spending isn't going to help for the long term. A stimulus is a quick fix/relief.
Over this year, the PC gov injected over 20 billion as stimulus. The coalition want to throw 30 billion all at once, with what looks like little to no planning and info gathering.
It looks as though Harper just pulled the rug out from under the coup members. This should end the careers of a few politicization who were stupid enough to go along with these guys.
You just might be right. It'll be interesting to see how the pot simmers over the next couple months (obviously, the prorogue happened after I recorded the video).
Pissing away all the ballots o really 62% didn't vote for Conservative. Bloc wont have powers to make law just have power to shoot it down from the Coalition which means if Bloc ain't happy then we go back to elections where Bloc gets nothing so stop twisting truths. Do you realize that there has been 2 coalitions in Canada's history and one had to do with the birth the other had to do with stuff like free health care? We vote for MP's not Prime Minister. But you must be from Alberta.
Six months ago, when asked about the possibility of a Coalition government, Dion said that he'd never ally with a party (NDP) that was incompetent at economic. And yet, this coalition was planned since September at least - why didn't they tell us voters back then?
Just to clarify, because I've heard this statement bandied about a lot -
When Martin had a Minority, Harper made an agreement with the Bloc to overthrow the gov't and force an election. This was not an alliance however, but a one time thing.
Completely ignoring the Bloc would be impossible, they'll always be a variable whether one respects them as a true player or not - so equating any interaction with them to allying with them is not a fair or realistic comparison.
The Gomery report/sponsorship scandal about $125 mil for federal unity in Quebec (which mostly went to Liberal firms instead) required a no confidence vote, that made Martin apologize and hold an election.
Have the coalition asked for an election? No, they just want their way, probably because we'll just get another PC minority government: we voted for one a few months ago.
A budget needs the confidence of the house, and not a house for political gain over differences of opinion.
Amen, about time somebody breaks this charade down for what it really is. Canada has its own unique political system -- yes it isn't perfect, and yes it can be improved -- but invoking a political loophole that hasn't been used in a century is a dick move. Dion looked weak and ineffective throughout that campaign and lost for a reason. He could have exited on an honest and respectable note, but he bitterly took the low road. The only result of this little farce is it'll cost tax payers millions.
For an intellectual wannabe, you have a pretty ridiculous speech. Also, try not to look like a sexy intellectual, for you are only making fun of yourself.
I thought this was going to worth the time, but I stopped watching after 2 minutes.
And I want my 2 minutes back...
marianofr1985 3 years ago
Sorry, no refunds. I could give you a swift kick in the cooter, though.
I think you need to turn off the internet, and go turn on CBC. I think Rick Mercer, and his utter inability to make a real point, is more your style.
Aurini 3 years ago
Go on. Kick me. Here I am...........
God. You´re more stupid than it looks...
marianofr1985 3 years ago
At least I can always read a book. Ugly is forever.
Aurini 3 years ago
Nice looking person.
Pretty stupid though.
a1mint 3 years ago
and its really hard to take someone seriously when the first thing he said is calling a politician a pig
darksideofthenation 3 years ago
Political Coup? So i guess you have no idea how democracy works in Canada, eh?
darksideofthenation 3 years ago
Read the thread, I addressed this already: no matter how principled one would like to be, the Bloc is impossible to ignore. But acknowledging the realities of the situation does not equate to aiding and abetting - the alliance takes that further step. Read the agreement (I linked it) and tell me you're comfortable with the language. Also, I never said I loved the Conservatives. I'd prefer to be tearing them a new one, but this nonsense can't be ignored.
Aurini 3 years ago
Junta? That's ridiculous. Harper hangs with the Bloc when it suits him.
You need to do your research.
In 2005 Harper was proposing, with the support of Duceppe, a type of sovereignty association for Québec that was different from what Quebec has now. He thought that would get him fresh votes in la belle province. It didn't work.
chim2020 3 years ago
from what i understand,Canadian parliament was suspended by the governor general, who reports directly to the queen of England?
chatadamsbros 3 years ago
Not exactly. The Governor General is the Queen's representative in Canada, whose main power is the ability to veto any legislation that the elected government tries to pass, and administrative duties such as the prorogue (suspension) she recently announced.
In practice, however, the GG seldom wields any power - like the Queen, if she were to try to wield power the whole system would quickly be disbanded by the Canadian/British/Australian/etc. people. This was a rare instance.
Aurini 3 years ago
Nice video dude.The funniest part is that nobody in the media is mentioning that the *cough* coalitions reason for trying to overthrow Harper is because of political party financing.If they were at least honest about that instead of the bullshit they are spewing about the cons not addressing the global economic crisis effectively enough then that would be one thing.But to lie through their teeth irks me more than Harper being an arrogant dick.
ydor 3 years ago
I also have to disagree that the best thing for us now is another election. Fact is, I can't see things clearing up at all from another election. I always vote, but most of us have to admit that our votes are largely pointless. To me, this all points to a huge need for serious electoral reform. I support proportional representation, but I'm open to other ideas.
The other possible idea is the one that Rick Mercer suggests - Dion needs to resign NOW. But Harper does too. Then we can start over.
nanogibbon 3 years ago
Interesting video. A bit overdramatic (and the music is a bit weird), but I share your frustration.
I don't agree at all that this can be likened to a junta staging a coup. Think about the strength of the "Anyone but Conservative" movement during the election. I do believe that a majority of Canadians feel that these three parties (yes, including the Bloc) have more in common with each other than with the CPC. I realize that this is hugely divisive, though. Gonna continue and a bit more...
nanogibbon 3 years ago
Oh yeah, I wrote my MP. One of the few Liberals who were unhappy with Parliament (Judy Sgro.) She has the same opinion that Harper has; that we all need to sit down and focus on the economic issues.
Of course we know this isn't about the economy, it's pure politics, and thus all MPs are looking even worse.
smudboy 3 years ago
You and I could have a great argument over pints - in all the good ways.
Aurini 3 years ago
Cool stuff! If you're in Toronto, give me a holler.
smudboy 3 years ago
Loved the video; most objective (and critical) one about the coalition. I'm kind of tired of all the pro/con coalition videos on here.
I agree that Harper isn't the gentlest of PMs or popular, and the other leaders are just grabbing for power over the lateness of the stimulus (which is coming eventually regardless of whoever's bringing it.) I'm kind of happy about the prorogue (so we can cool down), but I don't support it or the coalition.
smudboy 3 years ago
Hey, thanks a lot - I tried hard to look at it from all angles, and I'm about 80% certain that my stance isn't based on the fact that I want Harper to lead the Country (as opposed to, etc.) Give me a few months, and I'll be harping on Harper.
Aurini 3 years ago
The issue is, that people voted for their MPs with a certain understanding of what they were going to do - last spring the Liberals had said they would not form a coalition with the NDP. this coalition manipulates both the voters, as well as the spirit of the law. It's perfectly legal, while still being sneaky and manipulative. There's a good reason most Canadians are upset about this.
Aurini 3 years ago
perhaps we need to change how we elect our MPs and in some cases why, This chaos just show an overhaul of our political system is drastically needed
ulty777 3 years ago
I don't know, I think we're in a transition period; the Liberals have shaken their position of 'Natural Leading Party of Canada" and what we're seeing is a new equilibrium settling in. The dyed-in-the-wool voters of any stripe are fading away, and people are starting to critique the parties, voting based upon who has the best policies, not out of sheer habit. Of course, whether or not we need voting reform (and what kind) is whole other issue - not one I'm an expert at, either.
Aurini 3 years ago
In Canada we vote for our government. We do not accept coalitions. Minority governments should tread lightly but that is not out P.M.'s style. I like that The other babies want their bottle. Take your coalition to the people or fuck off.
adyankram 3 years ago
Some people don't want to accept coalitions. There's nothing in the constitution, laws, or tradition of the country that says we as a country don't accept them.
nanogibbon 3 years ago
The issue is this: None of the MP's that you, or I, or anyone else voted for, ran on a platform of "Alliance with Party 'X' " in fact many, including Dion, said they would not stand for an alliance. While I accept the fact that some voters did not vote FOR their MP, there was no option on the Ballot for "I vote for 'Not Harper' ".
When a decision to vote is made, by an educated citizen, it is generally based on one of three things. Federal Platform, Provincial Platform, or strength of character
Nomadics25 3 years ago
All pretty good points. But imagine for a moment there was an option on the ballot for "Not Harper." (Or maybe for "Liberals, then NDP, then Green," or something to the effect) I'm willing to bet that you would have seen a pretty significant number of votes in that direction, which, to me, speaks a chunk toward the idea that we might benefit from a change in the way we hold elections.
nanogibbon 3 years ago
This guy probably thinks that we vote for the president of Canada just like the US. You can only vote for an MP who is associated to a political party of your choice in your riding and that's it. To pick the leader of the party you need to be a member and go to their convention. MPs are free to associate with other political parties in a parlementary democracy. Harper should of assured himself with the confidence of a majority in the house before antagonising the opposition. Now he's stuck.
blackacadian 3 years ago
I don't think these sorts of assumptions will get you very far. Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that this guy is not an idiot, or more to the point that he has, at some point, voted. We all know that we don't vote for the Prime Minister.
Nomadics25 3 years ago
That's not your home right? it's a hotel room right?
emulateit 3 years ago
Yeah, I'm on the road a lot.
Aurini 3 years ago
You are exactly why the majority of Canadians could not and will not support Harper.
225h 3 years ago
Right on!
Having throw his fixed election lie down the drain, Harper has us spend millions to elect members of parliment so they can vote on our behalf, and Harper closes parliment to avoid a vote? And nitwits call a coalition a coup when thats the way the parliment works (they should stop watching CNN, we dont elect a presient)
Here something on the lighter side
/watch?v=xe-DFZA6pR0
Here something more important on bank of canada and debt
/watch?v=WPSoQfumzQ0
Rickdeckard2020 3 years ago
I'd like to point out to anyone checking out the second link, that it is a conspiracy theory; if it actually sounds plausible to you, then I strongly recommend picking up some text books on micro- and macroeconomics, and learning the basics of the science. Don't just take these guys' at face value.
Aurini 3 years ago
"conspiracy theory"
Really?
"recommend picking up some text books on micro- and macroeconomics"
Then you should recommend a specific text book, because the ones I have read dont explain fractional reserve banking. Are you going to tell me there is no fractional reserve and that banks keep 100% of your deposit until you come and pick it up? If they loan out 90%, whoever sold something to the person making the loan will deposit it, so that same money is deposited twice and loaned again
Rickdeckard2020 3 years ago
Anything is better then Harper
ARandomCanadian 3 years ago
If you think the Bloc is better for Canada, or that the NDP is good for the economy, you really need to do your homework. I don't even like the Conservatives, but at least they're making more-or-less the right moves for the economic downturn.
Aurini 3 years ago
Like nashnwo0 said, "Bloc wont have powers to make law just have power to shoot it down from the Coalition which means if Bloc ain't happy then we go back to elections where Bloc gets nothing so stop twisting truths."
And about NDP, has it ever been tried as part of the federal government? No, so you can't say it will be bad for the economy especially if they invest in the infrastructure.
Tories are making moves? What moves? Explain.
On top of it all, the coalition is led by Liberals.
ARandomCanadian 3 years ago
To put it as succinctly as possible, the best thing the government can do right now is very little - print or borrow too much money, and the resulting inflation/credit vacuum (two sides of the same coin) will directly harm anybody not directly receiving federal funding, and indirectly harm those who are. Do nothing, and fulfill a promise (which wasn't actually made) not to go into deficit, and the economy will recover faster, but some people will suffer extreme poverty. Spending lots wont help
Aurini 3 years ago
Read "Das Kapital"
ARandomCanadian 3 years ago
We're gonna hit deficit regardless of whoever's budget goes through. I'm not a fan of Harper, but I'd rather take a conservative fiscal view in times of recession: more spending isn't going to help for the long term. A stimulus is a quick fix/relief.
Over this year, the PC gov injected over 20 billion as stimulus. The coalition want to throw 30 billion all at once, with what looks like little to no planning and info gathering.
smudboy 3 years ago
It looks as though Harper just pulled the rug out from under the coup members. This should end the careers of a few politicization who were stupid enough to go along with these guys.
Bradsmere 3 years ago
You just might be right. It'll be interesting to see how the pot simmers over the next couple months (obviously, the prorogue happened after I recorded the video).
Aurini 3 years ago
Pissing away all the ballots o really 62% didn't vote for Conservative. Bloc wont have powers to make law just have power to shoot it down from the Coalition which means if Bloc ain't happy then we go back to elections where Bloc gets nothing so stop twisting truths. Do you realize that there has been 2 coalitions in Canada's history and one had to do with the birth the other had to do with stuff like free health care? We vote for MP's not Prime Minister. But you must be from Alberta.
nashnwo0 3 years ago 3
Six months ago, when asked about the possibility of a Coalition government, Dion said that he'd never ally with a party (NDP) that was incompetent at economic. And yet, this coalition was planned since September at least - why didn't they tell us voters back then?
Aurini 3 years ago
Pretty hyprcritical, seeing that Harper was prepared to do the exact same thing to Martin just a few short years ago.
ARandomCanadian 3 years ago
Just to clarify, because I've heard this statement bandied about a lot -
When Martin had a Minority, Harper made an agreement with the Bloc to overthrow the gov't and force an election. This was not an alliance however, but a one time thing.
Completely ignoring the Bloc would be impossible, they'll always be a variable whether one respects them as a true player or not - so equating any interaction with them to allying with them is not a fair or realistic comparison.
Aurini 3 years ago
"Completely ignoring the Bloc would be impossible"
No duh, but the bloc also needs the other 2 to keep their power, they won't risk losing that.
"so equating any interaction with them to allying with them is not a fair or realistic comparison."
Excuses
ARandomCanadian 3 years ago
The Gomery report/sponsorship scandal about $125 mil for federal unity in Quebec (which mostly went to Liberal firms instead) required a no confidence vote, that made Martin apologize and hold an election.
Have the coalition asked for an election? No, they just want their way, probably because we'll just get another PC minority government: we voted for one a few months ago.
A budget needs the confidence of the house, and not a house for political gain over differences of opinion.
smudboy 3 years ago
Amen, about time somebody breaks this charade down for what it really is. Canada has its own unique political system -- yes it isn't perfect, and yes it can be improved -- but invoking a political loophole that hasn't been used in a century is a dick move. Dion looked weak and ineffective throughout that campaign and lost for a reason. He could have exited on an honest and respectable note, but he bitterly took the low road. The only result of this little farce is it'll cost tax payers millions.
Gristopherz 3 years ago