Even if you disagree with Papias about his statements regarding the identities of the gospel writers (he certainly ascribes each to individuals bearing the same name, though the exact identities of the particular 'John', 'Mark' and 'Matthew' is unclear in contemporary scholarship, although they were clearly known figures then), you have to conclude that having gospels with a clear chain of apostolic descent was vitally important for first-early second century believers.
Kind of surprised Sam didn't bring up at all the testimony of Papias in regards to gospel authorship, who wrote mostly in the early second century and was alive during the probable lifetimes of apostles and other reported eyewitnesses, and certainly during the lifetimes of people like Clement and Polycarp who were direct students or workers of/under the apostles.
In his closing statement (2:02:48), Samuel Green emphasizes the point that 'Christians make no distinction between the prophets.'
Sound familiar? [read below]
"We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)." (2:285)
@odessyca Christans do make distinction. Where Moses and other God's prophets are carrying out genocide and molesting women in the bible, these things are not even talked about by these christian speakers EVER. They are always going on about Jesus. They also do not mention that he is going to come and kill his enimies in his 2nd coming and he will rule with an iron rod as it says in the last book of the bible.
@MatrixOfDynamism Yes I agree that Christians clearly make a distinction, however I was merely highlighting that Samuel's claim, albeit inaccurate, is reflected in the Qur'an and not the Bible (which he claims to follow).
Even if you disagree with Papias about his statements regarding the identities of the gospel writers (he certainly ascribes each to individuals bearing the same name, though the exact identities of the particular 'John', 'Mark' and 'Matthew' is unclear in contemporary scholarship, although they were clearly known figures then), you have to conclude that having gospels with a clear chain of apostolic descent was vitally important for first-early second century believers.
imjustsomeguy72 6 days ago
Kind of surprised Sam didn't bring up at all the testimony of Papias in regards to gospel authorship, who wrote mostly in the early second century and was alive during the probable lifetimes of apostles and other reported eyewitnesses, and certainly during the lifetimes of people like Clement and Polycarp who were direct students or workers of/under the apostles.
imjustsomeguy72 6 days ago
UTHMAN BADAR IS A GOOD SPEAKER + HAG...
julio14335 1 month ago
Poor Samuel feels the heat during Uthmans questions..
dopymind 4 months ago
Uh, hello? Secularisim is the only way forewards. Islam and Christianity will only bring us more of the same barbaric nonsense.
PixelSlayer247 4 months ago
Is there an audio of this?
YodatheJedi12 4 months ago
@YodatheJedi12 You could always convert the YT video to mp3 and that would effectively be an audio.
fazzamin 4 months ago
I am not HuT but brother Uthman Badar made good points, very good approach, no negativity and out of context quotes like Samuel did.
JJaani 5 months ago 2
Its no way Muslims can lose a debate because the Quarn is perfect.Its too many bibles.Plus islam is way more common sense.
tonystarks631 5 months ago
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IRISHINFIDEL 5 months ago
wonderful
Klazyo 5 months ago
Brilliant civil discussion, brother UTTman was excellent as always. Though I have to say you tried too hard with that Orange theory joke
iraqiguy 5 months ago
In his closing statement (2:02:48), Samuel Green emphasizes the point that 'Christians make no distinction between the prophets.'
Sound familiar? [read below]
"We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)." (2:285)
odessyca 5 months ago
@odessyca Christans do make distinction. Where Moses and other God's prophets are carrying out genocide and molesting women in the bible, these things are not even talked about by these christian speakers EVER. They are always going on about Jesus. They also do not mention that he is going to come and kill his enimies in his 2nd coming and he will rule with an iron rod as it says in the last book of the bible.
MatrixOfDynamism 5 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism Yes I agree that Christians clearly make a distinction, however I was merely highlighting that Samuel's claim, albeit inaccurate, is reflected in the Qur'an and not the Bible (which he claims to follow).
odessyca 5 months ago