German snitchers are systematically spreading hatred and lies.The aim is to distract from German atrocities comitted during the NAZI time and today. My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during five and a half years. I recorded more than 450 hours of evidence which ended in the legal system. The BND which is the renamed GESTAPO continued to torture my brother for another 1.5 years, now with the aid of the "legal“ system. Markus Bott was murdered on 11.7.09 to suppress our homepage.
The buttstock exists, it can be attached, it's just illegal to shoot it in the US with the buttstock attached unless you have the gun registered as a short barreled rifle (The ATF is weird about these, they allow you to own the buttstock and display the pistol with the stock attached, but they won't allow you to shoot it without a license. Stupid yes?)
Actually if you possess an ORIGINAL C96 stock with your original C96 it is exempt from the NFA. A reproduction stock would indeed be illegal if used without the proper SBR certification.
the local ATF agent has been waffling about that. I asked him 7 times and got 7 different answers ranging from "Yes it's perfectly legal" to "No you can't even own it", and actually I'm starting to wonder if the ATF even knows what they're doing. Personally I just like to avoid the whole situation by shooting without the stock, but from what I've been told it IS legal to shoot with an original (good luck finding an original stock though)
@Thatevilmidget The C96, bolo &712 are ALL legal to own, &shoot with the stock. 30 years ago and back to 1968 the stocks on any pistol were illegal. Most collectors just removed the iron from the stock. Since the cureo&relic laws came about any pistol that is classified as cureo&relic and was originaly produced with a stock or is 100 years old or ammo is not easily available can have a stock.I can't believe a BATF agent not knowing but I have met some real slow agents.NO PROBLEM with stock here.
As "thatevilmidget" has stated, the ATF has provided numerous conflicting reports on this issue (which not only affects C96s but also Hi-Powers and Luger). When I first purchased my C96 about 3 years ago, I looked into this issue and found an official ATF letter from 1999 that stated that only ORIGINAL stocks are legal. If you claim to have an ATF agent saying otherwise then, by all means, get it in writing and carry it with you when/if you shoot a C96 with a repro stock.
@Samurai8989 That is surely a good idea and it could save a lot of time and money.My experience with the stock situation came about when I had to regain some firearms held by the AT&F. The law at that time was covered fully by both sides. It did not, however , cover fireing the weapon but I feel sure that it is afixing the stock to the pistol which would constitute the violation & just posession with intent to afix would be enough if that were the case.I that feel fireing is a moot point.
@Samurai8989 The problem might come up with an agent's misunderstanding and could come out BADLY. I know of a case recently where a man was arrested for having a short barrel rifle when it was infact a Universal Enforcer. The agent had never seen one and thought it was a cut down M1 carbine.There is no easy answer except to go to your local AT&F & ask for the current law in writeing,. They probably will have a handout or poster (for pawn shops). The Browning could be a whole new can of worms.
You're correct, of course, but it's still quite a risk, since ATF agents that don't know the exceptions (i.e. new agents, or ones that just forgot about that specific section of the law) can cause big issues for you. Even if all charges are dropped, there's still the hassle of dealing with the agent themselves, and you know how bad they can be. I personally just prefer to avoid the whole problem and shoot without the stock attached.
I'm very aware the later German models have the red 9 on the grips, but in this video you can't see them (which is why I was asking. A flatside (or slabside) is a C-96 varient with few or markings and indentations along the side. A few versions of the Astra M900 come slabside too, so I guess it's a possiblility that this could just be a C-96 clone.
All of the C-96 variants would be broomhandles, aside from the oddball few with full stocks. I really can't tell too much about the C-96 in the video, but if it is a flatside I would guess it's rare. I believe the flatsides were made from 1899 to 1903, and I would guess there were about 22,000 made. Don't know if you would consider that rare though.
its a 9 mm thats y the german models have a big red "9" on its hanndel, but if u wana try to see what happens when u load 7.62x25 ammo itno it and fire, make a video, unless there is 1, as for flatside idk what that is wiki it...
i would perfer an astra m901
airsoftsmackthewall 1 month ago
-looks badass
-is badass
PurpleAlligatorSoup 2 months ago
Just a few words to tell you that an interesting downloadable ebook on this model (technical and historic aspects) is available at HLebooks.com.
HLebooks 5 months ago
I couldn't agree more jndification.
serganteddy5 7 months ago
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German snitchers are systematically spreading hatred and lies.The aim is to distract from German atrocities comitted during the NAZI time and today. My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during five and a half years. I recorded more than 450 hours of evidence which ended in the legal system. The BND which is the renamed GESTAPO continued to torture my brother for another 1.5 years, now with the aid of the "legal“ system. Markus Bott was murdered on 11.7.09 to suppress our homepage.
wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
i may be a fan of revolvers but this is my favorite 9mm.
handguns ftw !
wigahiga500 1 year ago
he farted xD
Superhasddd 1 year ago
i love this gun
AMAKOTER9 2 years ago
why is this gun not in cod 5!?
yankeefan312 2 years ago
yes
GameCubeFan99 2 years ago
Interessante Waffe habe sie in einer Doku über STAR WARS gesehen.
Rahmen1000 2 years ago
classic look and sound :)
fenixwylde 3 years ago 2
Yeah there is
kyleman605 3 years ago
i know that there is a butt stock which can be attached to it. isn't it?
mimisoftbear 3 years ago
yup.
KillerZ0mbie94 3 years ago
The buttstock exists, it can be attached, it's just illegal to shoot it in the US with the buttstock attached unless you have the gun registered as a short barreled rifle (The ATF is weird about these, they allow you to own the buttstock and display the pistol with the stock attached, but they won't allow you to shoot it without a license. Stupid yes?)
Thatevilmidget 2 years ago 3
@Thatevilmidget
Actually if you possess an ORIGINAL C96 stock with your original C96 it is exempt from the NFA. A reproduction stock would indeed be illegal if used without the proper SBR certification.
Samurai8989 1 year ago
@Samurai8989
the local ATF agent has been waffling about that. I asked him 7 times and got 7 different answers ranging from "Yes it's perfectly legal" to "No you can't even own it", and actually I'm starting to wonder if the ATF even knows what they're doing. Personally I just like to avoid the whole situation by shooting without the stock, but from what I've been told it IS legal to shoot with an original (good luck finding an original stock though)
Thatevilmidget 1 year ago
@Thatevilmidget The C96, bolo &712 are ALL legal to own, &shoot with the stock. 30 years ago and back to 1968 the stocks on any pistol were illegal. Most collectors just removed the iron from the stock. Since the cureo&relic laws came about any pistol that is classified as cureo&relic and was originaly produced with a stock or is 100 years old or ammo is not easily available can have a stock.I can't believe a BATF agent not knowing but I have met some real slow agents.NO PROBLEM with stock here.
muhammadisasissy 1 year ago
@Samurai8989 No, a repro stock that is the same as original is legal. Even a copy of the metal stocks that Mauser made is legal.
muhammadisasissy 1 year ago
@muhammadisasissy
As "thatevilmidget" has stated, the ATF has provided numerous conflicting reports on this issue (which not only affects C96s but also Hi-Powers and Luger). When I first purchased my C96 about 3 years ago, I looked into this issue and found an official ATF letter from 1999 that stated that only ORIGINAL stocks are legal. If you claim to have an ATF agent saying otherwise then, by all means, get it in writing and carry it with you when/if you shoot a C96 with a repro stock.
Samurai8989 1 year ago
@Samurai8989 That is surely a good idea and it could save a lot of time and money.My experience with the stock situation came about when I had to regain some firearms held by the AT&F. The law at that time was covered fully by both sides. It did not, however , cover fireing the weapon but I feel sure that it is afixing the stock to the pistol which would constitute the violation & just posession with intent to afix would be enough if that were the case.I that feel fireing is a moot point.
muhammadisasissy 1 year ago
@Samurai8989 The problem might come up with an agent's misunderstanding and could come out BADLY. I know of a case recently where a man was arrested for having a short barrel rifle when it was infact a Universal Enforcer. The agent had never seen one and thought it was a cut down M1 carbine.There is no easy answer except to go to your local AT&F & ask for the current law in writeing,. They probably will have a handout or poster (for pawn shops). The Browning could be a whole new can of worms.
muhammadisasissy 1 year ago
@muhammadisasissy
You're correct, of course, but it's still quite a risk, since ATF agents that don't know the exceptions (i.e. new agents, or ones that just forgot about that specific section of the law) can cause big issues for you. Even if all charges are dropped, there's still the hassle of dealing with the agent themselves, and you know how bad they can be. I personally just prefer to avoid the whole problem and shoot without the stock attached.
Thatevilmidget 1 year ago
@Thatevilmidget No, that is how the law WAS 30 years ago. Look it up. I KNOW and have been through all this with ATF. Look it up.
muhammadisasissy 1 year ago
Forget the FN P90 or the H+K MP7 - there could be only one. And that one had to be built of steel !
mjoellnirschwinger 3 years ago
毛色是中国人的挚爱。
gtogto1976 4 years ago 3
yeah i know right!!! :P
CODYFROMTBAY 2 years ago
I love the Broomhandle's sound, it's got a real "bark."
VolcanosGoBoom 4 years ago 23
im not a gun expert so im not gonna pretend to know what the hell im talking about that is one nice gun
Musicman543210 4 years ago 27
I'm very aware the later German models have the red 9 on the grips, but in this video you can't see them (which is why I was asking. A flatside (or slabside) is a C-96 varient with few or markings and indentations along the side. A few versions of the Astra M900 come slabside too, so I guess it's a possiblility that this could just be a C-96 clone.
SW1911 4 years ago
So, it's not, say, one of the rare "broomhandles?"
A side note, Wild Dog's gun, that.
RRVCrinale 4 years ago
All of the C-96 variants would be broomhandles, aside from the oddball few with full stocks. I really can't tell too much about the C-96 in the video, but if it is a flatside I would guess it's rare. I believe the flatsides were made from 1899 to 1903, and I would guess there were about 22,000 made. Don't know if you would consider that rare though.
SW1911 4 years ago
Actually, the original 9mm models were only made from 1916 to 1918, and not all of them had the Red 9 mark.
This particular pistol looks like an Astra 900 to me. It's a perfectly good gun on its own, but not a proper C96.
RobertQuinlan 4 years ago
beautiful pistol, definatly my favorite. Would that be in 7.62x25 or 9mm? Also, is that a flatside?
SW1911 4 years ago
its a 9 mm thats y the german models have a big red "9" on its hanndel, but if u wana try to see what happens when u load 7.62x25 ammo itno it and fire, make a video, unless there is 1, as for flatside idk what that is wiki it...
Sypran 4 years ago
because germans invented the 9mm parabellum round^^
americans used the stronger, but somewhat bigger and heavier .45 round...
Chrinik 4 years ago
Cool, rare bird.
Cosmoline 5 years ago
Me too.
gamecubeclock 5 years ago
I love that gun!
jimmitsu 5 years ago
Mine too lol
MjrCaleb 5 years ago
my favorite pistol
mustang500e 5 years ago