@axeholme2 how is that great news? Japan its one of the most advance countries in the world... I think it would be great news if it was Somalia Uganda or useless countries like Haiti
@Migueljs16 Every nation on Earth should have plans to reduce their population. Since that comment events have occured in Japan that make helter skelter drive for growth somewhat dubious. And you are right 3rd world countries need to do other things when the sun goes down other than copulate.
Let us find solace in the fact that there's tons of corroborating documentation in the writings of plagiarists Darwin & Galton & the Huxleys & Bertrand Russell, etc. promoting laws against miscegenation, interracial couplings and retardates begetting children. The false science of eugenics gets its boost from Darwinism. Darwinists, to promulgate their religion, utilize situational ethics which is the ultimate in fence-sitting, flip-flopping and wishy-washiness...
Only deluded sickos believe in "god" fantasy bullshit.
Christians = muslims are the same hypocrites who ridicule those who believe in space aliens, even though there is a TON of evidence that space aliens are real, whereas there is NO proof of "god". Therefore, christians = crazy = insane.
@axeholme2 Religion is the opium of the masses, as Vladimir Lenin once famously said.
Yes, of course, what you said about space aliens. But, don't quote speculative crap from Sagan or the Drake Equation. Go to the YouTube channel of seeingUFOsPA, or read the research of Stanton Friedman. Read the real hardcore cases.
@deskset24 Regardless,, the sheer distance between habitable planets would make contact fairly unlikely. Its more likely that mankind will live out his species existence and never come across anything from beyond our planet. Its not to say that life does not exists but but prove it, thats the only way of resolving any doubt. Everything else is sheer speculation.
What really counts is that if mankind doesn't do something about our runaway population then we're not going to be around very long
@axeholme2 I agree with you 1000% about human population. Action must be taken - 40 years ago!
That does not change the very likely fact that aliens do visit earth with advanced tech. No, not proven. You need an alien specimen for that. But, don't just speculate. Study the actual reported cases. And, ignore all the bullshit religious-like theories that alien-believers put to their experiences or studies (e.g. angels).
They piss me off that they think UFO disclosure will "solve" anything.
Republians = democrats like Reagan, Clinton wrecked the US economy with their TRILLIONS of dollars in useless worthless "defense" spending, stealing TRILLIONS from poor and taxpayers, and stealing the lives of MILLIONS of Americans by forcing them into prison for THEIR private legal right to use whatever drugs they want or to have abortions. Republicrats LOVE massive spending when it is for trivial selfish purposes to tyrannize others.
Conservative/libertarians are to blame for the world wide financial depression & poverty. They are all for big government using force & violence & law if the law is NOT a Communist law designed to redistribute wealth back from the lazy rich to the hard sacrificing poor. Conservative/libertarians support infinite CEO salaries & corporate welfare even if it means forcing poverty on the rest of us. They are unable to distinguish (and, sadly, so are many socialists & Greens) between ..
@deskset24 ..forcing the CEOs & corporations to actively help and do something for someone (which I do oppose) versus forcing them NOT to do anything and allow the poor to expend the energy to take back the wealth stolen by the corporations and infinite-paid CEOs.
Americans are fucking stupid morons because they are mentally incapable of voting except for conservatives: Republicrats & Demopubs. They support war & violence for selfish greed: oil, to reproduce more babies. But they oppose war for justified reasons, such as getting people out of prison & animals out of factory farms. Then, the conservatives are all hypocritically big-government-loving law and order.
The source of all problems is population growth (80 million + per year). It's the big elephant on the sofa. While we are talking about disappearing oil ressources, the reason for it (growing population) seems to be in the blind spot.
You say that discussion of the growing population, is taboo (blind spot)? Well shouldn't it be? Our children are not negotiable.
I see no better alternative to letting human populations grow. I have long been a prolife activist, because how can we have rights, if we don't have right-to-life?
Each and every human life is of sacred immense value, and most everybody wants or ends up having children.
There's ample ways to mitigate growing population without limiting numbers
Lets break it down and be simple - Every mouth costs money. In the United States the population was in decline but illegals and immigrants that come here from the third world are having kids and relying on the taxpayer to foot the bill. Stop these programs and other charities in the world and see what happens to the population of the planet.
There aren't too many people, there are too many billionaires. We have enough room and resources for 20 billion. Wake up sheeple. This is all elitist propaganda from criminals who don't want to share their booty.
All dumb asses out there bitching about how over crowded the planet is getting, don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution: go hang yourself, so the next ass clown can recycle the rope.
We cannot manage our budget or our governments: how can we manage our planet? How can we even think we can manage our race?
what ius everyone doing in russia increaseing i bet that there country could just be worst as like africa and asia or could one day become the most populated country well it be there faulty for high population just like china and india all the 3rd world countrys well one thing not listening eu and americas could ignore you and leve u just hell
the population 2,000 years ago around the world was 200,000,000 if it was tat today life would be alot better you could have africa population 1,000,000,000 at 50,000,000 61,000,000 in my country and i think its time too tat even the muslim imagrants listen and decrease there population there population in uk was 1,000,000 2,000 years ago
This is NWO deception for population control. The facts are...there are over 6 acres of land for every man woman and child on the face of the earth. Do the math. There are 6 billion people and 36.48 billion acres of land on earth. We are the ones who decide to stack ourselves in hi-rises, gather in place and then complain about over population.
What makes you people believe this crap? Population growth is natural...it will peak at 9 billion and decrease infinitely. That is it. And there is plenty of space and food right now. The only reason we have poverty and hunger is lack of development. You develop africa, people will stop dying of hunger. And no food?? Dammit, each human can eat enough to become morbidly obese!!! Thats how much food is availiable. With more food to spare. Why dont you people do some research on your own???
I don't understand how Ethiopia could be so populous; it covers a large area but its largest city Addis Abeba is just over 3 million and no other city there comes close.
Bulgaria!!! afcors we have like -15% whitouth the gypsys man that sux they will be more then us in the near future if we tolerate them more and more islamick fagots !!! fuck india also, why do we need so much population? when they have no + in economy or something other im talking about the (gypsys and indians) oh what am i talking who cares about us?
the usa first whanted to take over our government and projected that this country woud have like bellow 4.000.000 population and less and less
Bible is always correct. The population is shrinkaging alot faster. God knows the truth. people reject God's ideas. They keep saying the world is overpopulated. Liar. Read the book of daniel.
God is going to send more food to the world in few days. God vs. Humans. who wins?
God. The whole economic system will be ruined in few days.
you don't make any sense at all. I've done lot of research on google maps. The world is not over populated. what's overpopulating is housing. Not people.
It's like say guns don't kill people. people kill people. Overpopulation is just a hoax.
Yes about 1945 the world pop was about 2 bill, may be quite an achievement to get back to this level. No doubt about it there are just too many bodies on Earth, the only ones to profit are tax collectors and big corporations, the little man has nothing to gain from a choking population.
What do you mean, "the little man has nothing to gain from a choking population?"
Sure he does. He gets to live, and he gets to go on enjoying having his precious darling babies.
Have you any idea of the mass slaughter it would take to get back to 2 billion? Isn't there a saying that "There is no going back?"
Why not think outside the box, and explore how we best ADAPT to an increasingly populous world? I advocate naturally large families, for the greater good of the many!
Seppo, Really I can see that you are finishing the year on one of your manic treatment resistant spirals.
Of course people would prefer to live in clean surrounding without the choking waste of a 100 bil souls like you propose.
We all like making babies but that does not mean we have to fabricate our own personalized kindergartens. Strewth man show a little decorum you just can't continue to keep babies popping out you need to show a bit of intelligence, I know thas difficult for you
You admit that we all like making babies, so why not accept people having their own personalized kindergartens? Everybody has a natural and God-given right to having their traditionally very large families, it isn't something reserved to only the elites or the few.
The populous breeders, who are most of us, or becoming more so as populations grow, apparently would rather use technology to manage the "choking waste" of 100B souls, than to curtail their natural baby making. I agree.
@aranman1946 Well said! See my videos on species competition. (Don't get bothered by the word "species" - it can refer to any group of players - organisms - who kill or imprison others.)
We all die eventually. Therefore, quality of life is the only thing that matters.
I am long overdue to make more videos on justice, quality of life, game theory, but I am exhausted (2 artificial knees) standing at my board, unable to write more than 4 lines before having to erase and put up another.
So there was 2 billion people in 1930, now there's near 7 billion. So what? Why don't all these people have just as much right to live, as the small 2 billion that gave rise to so many, over the many generations? Not only do all these people have the natural right to breathe, eat, eliminate wastes, but they have the natural and God-given right to keep enjoying popping out babies naturally without use of any means of nasty unnatural "birth control"
Benefits of so much human life: more scientists, more teachers, more innovation, natural acceleration of technology growth, Massive populations guard against foreign invasion, Pronatalism and population growth help indicate the direction towards ADAPTING better to so much population, Everybody can enjoy having large families at the same time, By letting families grow naturally large no method of birth control need be used. No need to clench legs. Let flow of life grow naturally!
You didn't mean to diminish the value of "the little man" did you? I suspect you didn't?
But the little man, or the commoners, have so much to benefit too. If populous China was to allow and encourage large families again, you think the commoners don't enjoy having children? Of course they do! Let them enjoy having their traditionally large families, IN CHINA.
Haven't you heard, There is no going back? The world now probably has more than 2 billion fertile women! Let babies come!
What? Are you suggesting that China has "too many" people? I disagree.
Ironically, is China becoming more capitalistic than the United States?
I have long advocated large families worldwide, as I believe in neither "birth control" nor population "control" to be imposed upon humans. I believe in individual rights and personal responsibility.
How can parents enjoy having their precious darling babies in a world of so many people alive already? Populate denser. Scoot over a bit.
What are yer saying laddie?. Yer dunna think China is full yet. Well laddie I ply the South China Seas and I can tell ye laddie there's alot of Chinese.
I dunna think individual rights comes into it, its all about the common good o"the masses. Sod all this political correctness and wishy washy christian bible thumping. Thin em all out at government level thats what I say.
No, China isn't even near full. Sure, China has more people than acres, if you only count the land where most of the people live. But what about the northwestern part of China? If people really thought China was getting too full, why not populate every region of China thickly then?
I find it awfully strange, the population phobics most "concerned" about "overpopulation," seem to live in air conditioned comfortable towers of academia. Chinese and India people used to being a crowd.
Look, if people in China want big families, then aren't they already used to living in a crowd, and they don't think they are full yet.
Bible thumping? Though you were saying something about all the humping there for a moment, until I read to that part. Well let the populous masses hump naturally without the awful nasty contrary-to-nature contraceptives. You blame this upon Bible thumpers, and not upon nature?
Rewrite the Bible? No, why don't you read it? Don't insert man's folly
Why must man corrupt everything he touches? You want to update the Bible, to be corrupted by man's folly? Yes, the Bible promotes large families, marrying young, the natural population growth. It should, as today's generation is wicked and is forgetting morals and common sense
You think babies born in China, become shocked the people is so many? No, they want to be born REGARDLESS. So what there's a lot of Chinese? Chinese want freedom to continue traditionally very large families
All countries should do their part, to help the planet hold more and more people, especially by populating themselves denser and denser, via their own natural increase, their very own children! This includes China. Or do they think themselves somehow special and exempt from this law of nature, that even human life spreads. Let their cities grow larger and closer together, even merge and coalesce.
The populous masses don't want to thin out, it's immoral to cull growing human race.
There are not too many human bodies on earth. It's easy to imagine how so many more could easily be made to fit. Simply populate the planet denser. Build more and bigger cities and towns, closer together. People need the jobs anyway. Even "the little man" needs the jobs of building more housing for more people, and all the side jobs, building housing furnishings, etc., that it generates.
But there are now a lot more birth canal paths than there used to be with 2B. No going back!
You have not thought this through very well at all. Who do you think it is doing all this populating anyway? It's "the little man" of whom you mention, who supposedly gets no benefit from "a choking population." They say a baby is born each second in India. Isn't it the commoners having so many babies? Why? Because they want to get pregnant and want children.
You think big families living in small homes, husband and wife having to sleep on top of one another, don't desire to mate?
Pronatalist, Have you got the hots for me. ?. I've never had so much fan mail. Have been checking out other sites, looks like you've been trying to win hearts and minds elsewhere. Since when did you become a disciple of Carl Sagan?.
Have I got the hots for you? Is that a serious question? Just have to ask, as I don't receive cues through this text, of voice inflection or facial expression.
Are you criticizing or complimenting me, on posting perhaps "too many" comments? No, I was just trying to finish up the idea or my thoughts. Responding to the message, not so much to you personally.
Should I have the hots for you? Are you trying to be sweet on me or what?
Carl Sagan , laddie, I read his books while at sea, ye get a chance to see the stars and reflect on the great mans words at sea. Look laddie as far as I'm concerned he should be called on ta rewrite the bible. I reackon laddie before we thin out the masses we should thin out the bible thumpers. They just get in the way of progress laddie.
They say what populates the planet, is extremely pleasurable. Well who made it that way? God who created us made humans to multiply exponentially and commanded us to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and gave no contraceptives in the Garden of Eden. Charles Provan in his book, The Bible and Birth Control, says that God put it in our hearts to seek our increase and multiplication. So it's not just the "raging hormones" of youth then, that makes some families grow LARGE?
Look laddie I enjoy a good shag as much as the next man, but I cannae look forward to screaming brats especially if they're a different colour ta me. I can tell ye many a tale o'shaggin wee lassies but ye being a bit o' a bible thumper ye dinna want ta listen.
Ye cannae be fillin tthe world wi bairns theres enough o' them already, best be limiting em, be best ta start limiting the wee small brats.
I'm having some trouble understanding your sloppy slang English.
Quite many parents of sometimes large families, do not consider their children to be "screaming brats"
A different color? Are you referring to interracial adoptions? Not so sure I see the relevance? Or you were speaking something racial prejudice against your neighbors?
I don't believe in limiting children, because it's not natural, and because I don't consider myself better than them. I believe in the natural flow
By allowing the world to fill FULLER with children, there can be found place for everybody and all their progeny. But this quaint idea of a past world with only 2 billion people, has got to go, because it's counterproductive. They say there's no going back. The number of women of childbearing age, is higher than it has previously been, a prime factor I read in some pop article, why we have so much pop now
I believe in letting unlimited babies push out natural. Every life is sacred
Ay I understand what ye say laddie but I rather see the little beggers naer born at all. Better steralize a who;generation o' lassies ta clear things up. As fer me English I dunna critcise yer lunacy,sa the sooner yer stick a broom up yer arse the better. Is that clear enough fer yer stupid fucking wanker.
I don't understand your English problem, as your previous posts were so much clearer and easier to read. I think you are just trying to be cute or silly or something?
I love children, I am pronatalist, pro-population, so I naturally reject the various bogus pop "control" arguments that are really attacks against human freedom, dignity, and personal responsibility.
Large families are cool, as they spread more relaxed and freely, human life. Family size still is "uncontrollable."
Pronatalist I've been looking at a couple of sites and on one of them I read some faily leud comment of yours relating to your anatomy. Did not realize that you are into soft porn. I think I'd like you to limit your comments to me as little as possible. People may think that you are stalking me and I'd much sooner people know that I've no interest in you at all.
Sorry, I wish I could boast of children, but I haven't found my special lady wife yet. But when I do, I wish to have "all the children God gives." I don't believe in hindering or sabotaging the body contrary to the natural life-giving procreation function.
According to author Mary Pride, "unplanned" families aren't really all that much larger than "planned" families, typically, around 5 or 6 children in countries where birth control is rarely used.
What's this? You talk like maybe you are for some reason annoyed with me, and then ask me a question but 4 minutes later? Can't make up your mind? Keep sending me fan mail replies?
I have no special interest in you. Just another username on the internet. Please don't accuse me of anything, as I am a nice harmless guy.
Not sure what you were talking about, but sounds like you found some website you ought to stay away from? Was it even me? I have never proven my name to be unique.
No, you were boasting the size of your reproductive parts which I find particularly offensive. You say that you're a nice guy and like children but make lewd and offensive comments, There are minors who visit various You Tube sites and it is not appropriate to make these comments. Visit Population Explosion 156 of about 2 days ago. If it is not you it is someone using your name.
The guy accused me of not having a dick, and so I got too smart with him? Perhaps that wasn't the thing to do. But I see no Edit button. And you done seen it now?
Internet is risky place for minors. Even YouTube has videos of horse mating, as that's apparently not obscene, but part of nature. Also, there's videos of babies emerging from between the legs. I don't consider that obscene, though some children maybe wish to wait until of greater age to see.
Pro thats good, thats the first time you've proffered an apology amid all the comments that you've made. Thats progress and I'm proud of you, now all you have to do is cure yourself of this nasty afliction of yours to do with polluting the world with millions of brats. A couple of other things you are going to have to tone down yor bible thumping , and maybe start to vote democrat. Open your eyes expand your horizens. Like Carl Sagan said we are on a journey through star stuff.
Maybe start to vote DemocRAT? What? You go from bad to worse ideas.
About the only way I can vote for an evil tax-spend-borrow-tax DemocRAT, is to vote against some evil RINO (Republican In Name Only) Republicrat incumbant. I have a lot of friends who are very anti-incumbant, blaming most everybody in power, with purposely ruining our economy, especially tyrant Obama with his Great Obama Depression.
Let's edit this, shall we? Make "brats" - "billions of darling precious children"
No Obama will do till there's a good leader to emerge from the repulicans. Biggest threat to civilization is from Islam but the way you carry on reminds me of those mad crazy Imam's.
You need to tone things down a bit and accept that there are too many unwanted brats and government is going to have to intervene and take measures to slow the population growth and with luck they may even reverse the growth. It will be essential for govt to dictate family size and gender.
Tyrant Obama will not due. He's long overdue to be impeached, and that's something that so disgusts me about supposedly conservative Republi-crats. That they can't seem to find in their vocabulary, appropriate "radical" words such as "impeach," and "treason." Aren't those words in the Constitution that they took an oath to uphold, against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC?
Why do you want to slow the pop growth? If parents want to grow the pop fast, it is their right!
Are you telling me, you want gov doing sex selection? You want all the horrible abuses of China, imposed worldwide? Have you any concept of freedom? Need me to pull out my "Bible thumping" Bible on you? Or can we please find some common sense around here somewhere?
What's so complicated about, Let people do what they want? Get the gov politicians out of our pockets and out of our business. Stop having Big Brother gov breathing down our necks.
How did I misspell "do" as "due?" Those pesky spellcheckers, don't catch grammar errors.
If somebody feels they need 9 children to be fulfilled, who is anybody to argue? Perhaps they do. Who can know better than they themselves, or God?
I have no agenda to slow the population growth. It should be rightfully in the hands of billions of parents, or better yet, of God. It's the people's own homes they are first populating, so if they are fine with naturally increasing pop, so be it!
great news, looks highly likely we will get a new govt, a Liberal National Coalition, something akin to Republican party. They are commited to small Australia, limit immigration and keep pop at a sustainable level.
No more baby bonus for bringing unwanted brats into the world, tight limits on immigration, but most importantly someone who recognises that the world can only accommodate a finite number of people. The movement to constrain pop growth is alive, running and active
First of all, does "Liberal" (National Coalition) have the bad, anti-freedom connotation, that it does in the U.S.? I can't just assume that "liberals" of Australia are as stupid, and are statist marxists, like they are in the U.S., because "liberal" is a vague word that can have a different meaning in another country.
So sad to hear that Australians are rebelling against God, and don't want to value their babies.
There might be some good reasons to restrict immigration?
Babies are future taxpayers, future customers, and the future people to do the work and take care of the older generations when they get so old that their health and abilities start failing. If Australia is having fewer and fewer babies, that can only mean trouble. Aren't you inviting Muslims to come in and take over, as the pop atrophies?
No more baby bonus? There shouldn't even be an anti-family income tax to begin with. Is that where the baby bonus is?
If Australia doesn't welcome babies, that means it's becoming corrupt and selfish, and also means, or leads to, reduced freedom. If a country isn't friendly to families, how is it friendly to humans?
Constraining pop growth is contrary to nature, and contrary to the rights and wishes of families and individuals.
I am sympathetic to immigrants, but some immigrants don't contribute, suck up taxpayer money, don't speak language, vote for runaway-spending-benefits and not freedom.
You compared Liberal National Coalition to our Republican Party. Now that's a bit confusing, because our Republican Party stands for very good things, or at least they claim they do. Pro-life, anti-family-planning-funding to other countries or organizations that do abortions, pro-business, pro-family, for smaller gov and less taxes. Republicans supposedly don't spend as wild as DemocRATS, although that's somewhat debatable. Republicans want more jobs, oil drilling, school choice.
Our Republican Party changed the child deduction on income taxes, to a tax credit, making it worth even more. It's a misconception to view that as an incentive or payment to encourage Americans to have more babies. Although that may be of some effect, it's really a recognition that large families may not have so much spare money to pay taxes, and also an "investment" into future taxpayers. Sort of a "bulk discount."
Even if pop capacity is limited, we are nowhere near any maximum.
Tthey did that to appease the bleeding hearts.Probably explains why they lost the election. Pop control is the way of the future and NWO will have no option but to curb pop growth. Most christian sects are doomed to the scrapheap, no one believes in church mumbo jumbo these days. Christian teachings are full of mis teachings and falsehood.
Explains why Islam will spell the end of christianity. Unless christians practice birth control and expel moslems to their own countries.
How can you be so clueless? Republicans lose elections for a very understandable reason. Compromise. They over-spent too much money. They offend their own base. The establishment RINOs give us awful "moderates" or compromisers that offend the base, so they don't vote because their candidate didn't win the Primary. Republicans are dull and boring and have no fire in the belly. Those that do, the real conservatives, seem to win.
Yes, I agree, "baby bonuses" are pro-life, & buy votes
Buying off votes with baby bonuses, does work, however, trashing the economy with a sudden crash just before the election, and running up unsustainable debt, and being boring, and not supporting the Constitution much better than the DemocRATS, undermines that benefit.
Not to mention how we were played like a fiddle. The NWO globalists pushing the funding of major candidates (Soros), thought we would go for a black (marxist) President, and Obama picked up the "guilty white vote."
Be careful what you say of DemocRATS because you know what they say, "A rat always knows where his tail is" and that would imply that they are smarter than you.
We can debate all day why elections turn out the way they do, but the real reason is that most Americans are uninformed and lazy morons, people who don't own property probably ought not be allowed to vote, and the mainstream misleadia didn't warn us. There's a lot of voter's remorse, and Obama and especially Congress's approval ratings are in the toilet. If the voters were smart, we would always elect strict Constitutionalists/conservatives/libertarians, all for small government.
They do baby bonuses to appease the bleeding hearts? Did you not know that gov is supposed to serve the people? "Buying off votes," isn't necessarily always wrong, if what they do is Constitutional, and really good for the people and the country. Aren't we, at least in theory, government of, by, and for the people?
Pop control is the way of the future, only if it's written in stone, that the wave of the future is tyranny. Be honest. Human pop CAN keep growing. Nowhere near full.
Most Christian sects are doomed to the scrapheap? And why might that be? Could it be, that they AREN'T HAVING ENOUGH CHILDREN? See a Church with few children? I see in that, a DYING CHURCH. Either the Church is dull and boring, and all the young people are leaving, or they are letting the Muslims and immigrants outbreed them. Don't you know, nature favors those who reproduce?
Already we see those reproducing like bunnies, taking over. Muslims, immigrants, big families. Africa +1B?
@pronatalist The answer is simple,cease all non christian immigration and repatriate non christians that won't totally assimilate into a christian culture.
Look at the reasons that people are deserting the church.
There's places all around, to put more people. Look at most any map, and see all sorts of land, that isn't cities yet. We don't have to have fewer children, nor does the world need to remains such a sparsely populated place as it had been in the past. Why do you want to live in the past? They say there's no going back. We need to move forward
There are better options that don't actually limit numbers, so why do you ignore them? Peoples shouldn't have all their options? NWO is evil
BTW what have you got against axeholme2, he talks quite logical and I particularly like his reference to Carl Sagan. Every comment you abuse him even though he gives credible comments. He spoke well of you to others but you still abuse and attack him.
What? Surely you don't expect me to tone down the Bible thumping? And here I have these several big Bible-thumping Bibles? You're trying to get me riled up or something? Now you got me thinking, where can I find a big fat liberal retard, to give a big Bible thump to?
So you think you can turn me into one of those problem-puking today's false liberal marxists? Gee, I hope I never become like them. Somebody might thump a Bible at me?
I removed the 2 "offending" comments of which you speak. Not that I intend to make a habit of removing comments people object to, but because I thought it the right thing to do.
@aranman1946 And even the rich will suffer. Once ressources are depleted, money can't help you out. 2 bilion is the long term carrying capacity of the planet. More than that, everyone will have more ressources.
Haha! sooner or later God is going eradicate a lot of us. It happened before it will happen again. Balance always comes when least expected. He may also be just doing mass reincarnation of souls unto bodies. Hahah! I watched too many movies, horror ones.
Hahah! slander the truth is there for everyone to read...ehem!. To claim statements using WE or US in a untruthful manner to that person is slander. I guess we all know who that is....hahha!
6.8 billion now. I think/hope people are coming to the realization that not even near 7 billion people is all that much, for a world so huge.
Apparently, at least some people still love making babies. At least some people still love their children enough to go on having more.
I get so sick and tired of population phobics, talking foolish alarmist talk, as if world pop was growing too large/fast. Compared to what? I don't believe things happen for no reason, but for some reason
I really don't care about pop phobics. That is too big for me to tackle. My pop revolves on my family tree alone. I also believe things happen for a reason, a reason if given amount of time and responsible family finances, I would extend my branch.
Well I do care about pop phobics, because they are spreading heresy that aims to attack basic human freedom/liberty, and devalue human life
Of course, extend your branch of the family tree. People understand so little about demographics. What happens when huge numbers of people naturally increase, often with little or no use of "birth control?" Family trees blossom into entire forests! As other families do this too, the planet grows DENSER. But we CAN find/make room for so many
What gives? 3 weeks ago you feign or pretend you don't want to be bothered, and yet you keep replying to me, and now you miss me?
What kept me? I've been around, you must not have been looking?
Liberals say things that today's false libs apparently don't believe, like "HAVE MORE SEX" Oh really? What better way to have more sex in the world, but to urge the population naturally increase, so MORE people can enjoy sex, among other things?
Much as I hate to admit that I do miss your silly comments, you're a bit like the village idiot, you really are amusing that is if you don't take what you say seriously, which no one does anyway.
BTW google PTSD I don't intend to lecture you on personality disorders.
Hate to tell you this Seppo but you're leaving marriage and raising a family a bit late. You'll be better off getting a job and then get married and then have a family. Ask your pastor he'll put you right.
I agree to hold people responsible largely for their own condition, but we are in an OBAMA DEPRESSION, Hello! If there aren't anymore enough jobs to go around, how dare you criticize people for not having a job when it's clearly government socialist manipulation of the economy that is at fault? I had a job until my employer liquidated. Now most employers AREN'T hiring anybody new, in survival mode, no thanks to tyrant Obama.
My pastor knows I have no job. At least I was prepared.
don't get the time to visit too many sites, you see I'm gainfully employed whereas there are some who pretend to be looking for work but instead spend their time on you tube and then blame Obama for their indolence.
how's your love life? have you got a woman yet to start breeding from?. You know, just part the old beef curtains, play the spam castanets and bingo you've got another baby to add to the world. But as a 49 year old virgin you're too mean and selfish to procreate
So what is your point anyway? We unemployed people, although apparently previously very employable, are 2nd class citizens, so our views just don't count as much as that of EMPLOYED people? You support some sort of caste system, in which some people are more important than others?
You are employed today, but what about tomorrow? Have you paid off ALL DEBT to get prepared for tyrant Obama suppression/manipulation of the economy? Do you have any emergency savings? Ready for $ crash?
Economic cycles ebb and flow. The situation that we find ourselves in will pass. I respect your views on Obama but he is not the problem.
Debt and greed are the key factors in this recession.
I think that my finances are o.k. but no one is bullet proof.Immigration from 3 rd world waters down a nations savings and wealth, it would be far better to provide wealth generation in 3 rd world countries.
We really do need to slow down population growth, we all need a breather.
Wow! Your last 2 comments seem a bit more intelligent than your average comments. What happened?
No, it's not just natural economic cycles. Federal Reserve System was not created to stabilize, but to exploit the economy. It's a massive criminal cabal, definitely unconstitutional. 1913 Federal Reserve, 1929 Stock Market Crash/FDR Great Depression. Fed manipulation CAUSED Depression.
Many immigrants fled communist regimes, could surprise liberals when they wake up and dump Obama.
'Only a little Gold,' I don't like to divulge personal info so I'll just leave it as a little gold. No more to be said on that matter, its closed.
There's possibly a few important factors that have led to our present situation, i'e' 9/11, unsupervised deregulation of the financial system, inadequet accountability of regulatory authorities. You could nominate a litany of sins in whose to blame. Obama, no he's not to blame, he's just a figment of liberal indulgence.
I didn't ask you for your personal info, and even if I did supposedly, I would expect you to have your option not to share that info, unless you want to.
I am more interested in talking of the theory and issue, than how prepared or unprepared you or I may be.
As some commercial for gold claims, gold is the real money. It's not a paper promise to repay, for the value is intrinsic to the money. Money on deposit at a bank, is not sure at all, they may be unable to repay in a panic.
Lesson in Cuba's toilet paper shortage, is to not underestimate huge danger of systemic political risk. If you like toilet paper, either hoard, or accept to use old phone book pages?
There's plenty of resources for everybody IN A GOOD ECONOMY. But after a bad election of bad people, there could develop shortages of most anything, as incentives for productive work are eroded by rampant socialism
Buy everything you will need, a year or more in advance if you can? Most can't afford
Only hoard what won't spoil, and at bargain prices. Many dangers in hoarding just for the sake of it or for irrational fears. Best to only hoard that which will appreciate in value.
Most people have little idea why they should consider hoarding a little at least, much more seriously. Even gov tells us to have emergency supplies to last your family at least 3 days, until government help can arrive? (Why should anybody trust government "help" to come soon, if at all?)
A hedge against inflation: Somebody with no debt, could buy their stuff early, before the price rises.
But if political risk leads to fleeing to another country, how do you take it all with you?
I read somewhere that one of the surest ways to go broke, is to believe you live in a free state. (Then you don't see all the money and other manipulations.)
The old saying says, A fool and his money are soon parted.
Contrary to gov political misinformation, hoarding is PATRIOTIC. Hoarders need not fight over the last loaf of bread in the store, before the bad weather hits. Hoarders could share (for a price?) with family, friends, or those who didn't prepare. Price can be WORK.
Ah, don't be so pessimistic. God assures us that heaven and hell are very real places.
In heaven, there is no death and taxes.
So we are assured to have at least a little suffering in this fallen world.
Did you see that episode of Star Trek TNG in which Q is punished for his mischief by the Q continuum, by being made to be a mere human? What a whining crybaby he became. He thought he was dying, because he had aches and pain. Crewmembers told Q, you are just hungry or tired.
What on earth makes you think that I'm pessimistic. I've got a very optimistic view of MY world and I include into it the things that enhance the quality of life.
Rampant pop is not part of that, SORRY.
On some issues we will never agree, but at least we do not need to be offensive.
As a prolife activist and pronatalist, I believe population is what it is. Not something we humans should make any effort to impose "control" upon.
Countries like India should not feel any shame or guilt, to have let their population grow naturally so "huge," for don't we all feel the same powerful reproductive urges? People have been living there 1000s of years, so it's understandable.
Large families better condition children to thrive in an increasingly populous world.
Most people who say they don't want to live in a world with the population density of India, have never been to India, nor made much any effort to understand the culture. And as of a year or 2 ago, they say half the world population now lives in cities. Cities already have a population much denser than that of India's overall land.
Does India portend where we may be headed? Yes and No. The entire world could potentially become so pop dense, but without all the dirt and poverty.
Upon a planet not getting any bigger, where human populations tend to continue to naturally grow, throughout many regions of the world not yet so infested with awful shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potion and poison pushing, it should have been obvious that we humans have to accept a world in which people come to live and reproduce in closer proximity to one another, on the global scale at least, so we can all fit. We can pop denser
We need Big Pharma? I won't argue against that. Surely there's some need for some medications. But we have been advertised to be popping way too many pills for way to many things. For a comical commentary on that line, search YouTube for "Big Pharma Ultimate Commercial" I think it was. The one with the dancing pills, a pill for everything imaginable
I read somewhere that contraceptives must be pushed, just to keep pace with the growing pop. What? That still continues the exp growth
I once knew a doctor who had a practice in the Scottish Highlands, in those days we had not arrived at the medication explosion that we have today. Needless to say in those days some of the present RX would have been a miracle, she did however need to use the best of her skills to heal and tend to the sick. Some of those old skills are now lost, just like some of the natural medicines found in nature that have been lost to land clearing to make way for insane population growth
And what do you think is really driving the medical and technology "explosions?" Couldn't it be possibly the nat human pop "explosion?" Rather than being a detriment to the world, humans have creative and intelligent minds, and often contribute to the world. The more of us there are, the faster all those small incremental improvements start adding up. Many inventions weren't so much really for comfort, as for proper pop ACCOMMODATION
You are aware of the idea that all this medical technology is a large part of what helped unleash this global population "explosion," don't you? I suspect the theory is somewhat incorrectly misstated. But there is the idea that solving problems and seeking to treat and cure people, is helping to make the planet naturally grow all the more "crowded" with people. So should a doctor not care to help people? Of course doctors should heal people.
Like I have said humans are too successful. We need to use our intelligence to improve peoples lifestyle and not just increase their numbers as a mark of success.
How can humans be "too successful?" Humans aren't supposed to be successful? Says who?
The more numerous humans manage to become, the more people there are who benefit.
Consider people having little pidly "planned" families versus more naturally large "unplanned" families. 3 or 4 children versus typically 5 or 6 children w/o "birth control." I would much rather accept a "bonus" child or 2, than bother with unnatural contraceptives. Besides, I love children, and my little nephews
Not all humans are talented in many areas. But one thing quite many people are apparently good at, is reproducing children. Let them have that. Let the people enjoy what they are good at.
People need to be challenged, and a growing population is a wonderful and good sort of challenge.
And I see God as having some purpose to it all. Besides, let nature be somewhat "wild" and free, especially in the aspect that so benefits so many humans, our natural procreation.
The problem is not that we now have too much medical technology, but rather that greed and corporations and government has been manipulating medical care contrary to what's best for we people.
Consumer Reports claimed that advertising is pushing new drugs that are more expensive, over old better proven and tested drugs.
Medical care/insurance isn't really much about health, but sold on fear/$s, more than on actual need. Many people are very healthy w/o medical care nor vaccines.
I carry private health insurance. It means that I can go into a private room in a private hospital without having to listen or put up with idiots, or boorish morons.
I wouldn't want to pay an extra premium for medical insurance, to assure having a private room in a hospital. Private hospitals may be better though?
I generally don't get sick, so why pay for some extra benefit I probably don't need and would never use? However, don't you live in Australia? Perhaps your medical industry isn't so overpriced as ours is in the U.S.?
Don't want to have to share a room when sick? But isn't there the risk of being lonely and not making a friend?
Elective medical care is more of a question of when rather than how much. If and when I get crook, I want to be treated now!!!!, and I'm wiling to pay.
I also enjoy my own company and as for lonely risks there is a greater risk of sharing a room with someone that I don't know and don't want to know.
No conspiracy from big insurance companies, my life, my choice and my cost. I'm worth it, I've worked for what I've got and I will spend my money as I wish. No issue, no compromise
Sharing a room with a stranger you don't want to know. Yeah, that's a risk some may think it's worth paying to avoid. Your choice if you can afford it. Maybe I would do the same if I was rich, or I could "self-insure" so what does it matter?
I can't stand about today's false liberals, how easily they are duped into stealing our liberty by lies. Dare criticize me, because I question, hot extension cord is UNSUSTAINABLE. One unlucky day, all 4 refrigerators will cycle at SAME TIME!
btw i'm not rich , just frugal and prioritize my wants and needs.
thankfully my health is also good, but with overcrowded public hospitals being filled with ever increasing population resulting from poor family planning, i will take responsibility for my health needs.
But the natural population growth is SUSTAINABLE, when people are free to explore their own adaptations and solutions. In a free market, more hospitals or birth clinics, or whatever is needed, soon would be built. Villages growing into towns, and towns growing into cities, growing larger and closer together, soon get their own hospitals and medical clinics
It's more overcrowded/overloaded when gov runs everything. Nature fattens tree trunk to carry more branches. Politicians don't
Check my fuse box? Oh, but I did. My ancient central A/C unit lost its freon, and its cool. Decided to replace it with modern efficient heat pump. They removed my ancient fuse panels and put in modern higher capacity circuit breaker panel. Yeah, it was expensive, but worth it. I added more receptacles and circuits.
Why not buy cheap window unit A/Cs? Because I have old house with old wiring. Who knows what's on each circuit? Far better to keep direct panel feed to central A/C.
Of course more people are born. They say you can't stop people from having sex. Why would you want to? Are you a communist or a party pooper? I just want them to be married first, as society does have a reasonable expectation that some provision has been made that all these babies being born will be properly taken care of, and we know who the parents are, to hold responsible.
Pop goes up, because you and I insist upon continuing to live, and so do all the other people being born.
I think you aren't even a very good realist, because any good realist should be able to admit that the world can easily enough bulge to hold or be made to hold, far more people. Wouldn't a realist have to admit that if life is possible in India, that more of the world should be able to populate as denser or even denser than India?
Far too crowded, compared to what? Have you moved out of the city, to the middle of nowhere yet? If not, what are you whining about? Let pop rise nat.
The more populated we get, the more people there are who benefit and can experience life. The natural and moral incentives, are not to ration the quantity of human life, but rather that any "ideal" human population size shouldn't be small and pidly, but more like "nearly as large as possible," for the most benefit for the most people.
Even libs would have to admit that pop growth increases the need for more people to become sexually active. I agree, so let lots of babies be born!
The markets are rational. Governments are dumb. Most everywhere, we see the markets, the people seeking profits, solving problems, while the governments puke problems all over the place. Freedom works, everywhere it's been tried.
The pop goes up, as a result of human successes? Of course people should want to invest their wealth and efforts into the future, by having children and enlarging their pops
God commanded humans to multiply, so if God allows/causes runaway pop, so be it
It's far better that humans be so populous, than the ravenous dinosaurs, a potential problem in some Godzilla movie. Humans are so much more docile and easy to get along with, in comparison. Humans also seem to be rather population-efficient, able to survive and thrive at extreme population densities, and not eating much per person and storing food for later.
It's already a populous world, so it's prudent to ADAPT and embrace high pop levels, not fight nature and what must be.
The world has been filled up with filth!
wrldominashan 10 months ago
Some great news, Japan's population fell by 123,000 in 2010
axeholme2 1 year ago 2
@axeholme2 how is that great news? Japan its one of the most advance countries in the world... I think it would be great news if it was Somalia Uganda or useless countries like Haiti
Migueljs16 10 months ago
@Migueljs16 Every nation on Earth should have plans to reduce their population. Since that comment events have occured in Japan that make helter skelter drive for growth somewhat dubious. And you are right 3rd world countries need to do other things when the sun goes down other than copulate.
axeholme2 10 months ago
Let us find solace in the fact that there's tons of corroborating documentation in the writings of plagiarists Darwin & Galton & the Huxleys & Bertrand Russell, etc. promoting laws against miscegenation, interracial couplings and retardates begetting children. The false science of eugenics gets its boost from Darwinism. Darwinists, to promulgate their religion, utilize situational ethics which is the ultimate in fence-sitting, flip-flopping and wishy-washiness...
ElHombreConDosOjos 1 year ago
Only deluded sickos believe in "god" fantasy bullshit.
Christians = muslims are the same hypocrites who ridicule those who believe in space aliens, even though there is a TON of evidence that space aliens are real, whereas there is NO proof of "god". Therefore, christians = crazy = insane.
deskset24 1 year ago
@deskset24 Space aliens would be pretty thin on the ground but to deny their existence purely on no tangible proof would be presumtuous.
Surely within the vast reaches of space life exists. Check out Carl Sagan , The Drake Equation.
Religion is the panacea of the masses, keeps them tranquilized and malleable
axeholme2 1 year ago
@axeholme2 Religion is the opium of the masses, as Vladimir Lenin once famously said.
Yes, of course, what you said about space aliens. But, don't quote speculative crap from Sagan or the Drake Equation. Go to the YouTube channel of seeingUFOsPA, or read the research of Stanton Friedman. Read the real hardcore cases.
deskset24 1 year ago
@deskset24 Regardless,, the sheer distance between habitable planets would make contact fairly unlikely. Its more likely that mankind will live out his species existence and never come across anything from beyond our planet. Its not to say that life does not exists but but prove it, thats the only way of resolving any doubt. Everything else is sheer speculation.
What really counts is that if mankind doesn't do something about our runaway population then we're not going to be around very long
axeholme2 1 year ago
@axeholme2 I agree with you 1000% about human population. Action must be taken - 40 years ago!
That does not change the very likely fact that aliens do visit earth with advanced tech. No, not proven. You need an alien specimen for that. But, don't just speculate. Study the actual reported cases. And, ignore all the bullshit religious-like theories that alien-believers put to their experiences or studies (e.g. angels).
They piss me off that they think UFO disclosure will "solve" anything.
deskset24 1 year ago
Republians = democrats like Reagan, Clinton wrecked the US economy with their TRILLIONS of dollars in useless worthless "defense" spending, stealing TRILLIONS from poor and taxpayers, and stealing the lives of MILLIONS of Americans by forcing them into prison for THEIR private legal right to use whatever drugs they want or to have abortions. Republicrats LOVE massive spending when it is for trivial selfish purposes to tyrannize others.
deskset24 1 year ago
Conservative/libertarians are to blame for the world wide financial depression & poverty. They are all for big government using force & violence & law if the law is NOT a Communist law designed to redistribute wealth back from the lazy rich to the hard sacrificing poor. Conservative/libertarians support infinite CEO salaries & corporate welfare even if it means forcing poverty on the rest of us. They are unable to distinguish (and, sadly, so are many socialists & Greens) between ..
deskset24 1 year ago
@deskset24 ..forcing the CEOs & corporations to actively help and do something for someone (which I do oppose) versus forcing them NOT to do anything and allow the poor to expend the energy to take back the wealth stolen by the corporations and infinite-paid CEOs.
deskset24 1 year ago
Americans are fucking stupid morons because they are mentally incapable of voting except for conservatives: Republicrats & Demopubs. They support war & violence for selfish greed: oil, to reproduce more babies. But they oppose war for justified reasons, such as getting people out of prison & animals out of factory farms. Then, the conservatives are all hypocritically big-government-loving law and order.
Vote Socialist or Green!
deskset24 1 year ago
The source of all problems is population growth (80 million + per year). It's the big elephant on the sofa. While we are talking about disappearing oil ressources, the reason for it (growing population) seems to be in the blind spot.
MillyVanillification 1 year ago
@MillyVanillification
You say that discussion of the growing population, is taboo (blind spot)? Well shouldn't it be? Our children are not negotiable.
I see no better alternative to letting human populations grow. I have long been a prolife activist, because how can we have rights, if we don't have right-to-life?
Each and every human life is of sacred immense value, and most everybody wants or ends up having children.
There's ample ways to mitigate growing population without limiting numbers
pronatalist 1 year ago
Lets break it down and be simple - Every mouth costs money. In the United States the population was in decline but illegals and immigrants that come here from the third world are having kids and relying on the taxpayer to foot the bill. Stop these programs and other charities in the world and see what happens to the population of the planet.
dmeiske1 1 year ago
There aren't too many people, there are too many billionaires. We have enough room and resources for 20 billion. Wake up sheeple. This is all elitist propaganda from criminals who don't want to share their booty.
FarEastBeast 1 year ago
fuck now its 6,857,103,683 darn
Tocoollikethat 1 year ago
All dumb asses out there bitching about how over crowded the planet is getting, don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution: go hang yourself, so the next ass clown can recycle the rope.
We cannot manage our budget or our governments: how can we manage our planet? How can we even think we can manage our race?
Rugghead98 1 year ago
what ius everyone doing in russia increaseing i bet that there country could just be worst as like africa and asia or could one day become the most populated country well it be there faulty for high population just like china and india all the 3rd world countrys well one thing not listening eu and americas could ignore you and leve u just hell
TECHM8able 1 year ago
the population 2,000 years ago around the world was 200,000,000 if it was tat today life would be alot better you could have africa population 1,000,000,000 at 50,000,000 61,000,000 in my country and i think its time too tat even the muslim imagrants listen and decrease there population there population in uk was 1,000,000 2,000 years ago
TECHM8able 1 year ago
This is NWO deception for population control. The facts are...there are over 6 acres of land for every man woman and child on the face of the earth. Do the math. There are 6 billion people and 36.48 billion acres of land on earth. We are the ones who decide to stack ourselves in hi-rises, gather in place and then complain about over population.
amzuel420 1 year ago
What makes you people believe this crap? Population growth is natural...it will peak at 9 billion and decrease infinitely. That is it. And there is plenty of space and food right now. The only reason we have poverty and hunger is lack of development. You develop africa, people will stop dying of hunger. And no food?? Dammit, each human can eat enough to become morbidly obese!!! Thats how much food is availiable. With more food to spare. Why dont you people do some research on your own???
betawarrior60x 1 year ago
I don't understand how Ethiopia could be so populous; it covers a large area but its largest city Addis Abeba is just over 3 million and no other city there comes close.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
we need another world war for population control
BSbrian 1 year ago
The UK is so overpopulated that despite being famous for its miserable wet weather, its rainfall per person is the same as desert countries.
London is building desalination plants!
walter0bz 1 year ago
theres 7 billion right now!
chrispy199 1 year ago
economy theyre plan "the running" works can you amagine that we where almost 9.000.000 milion in the end of the century and now 6.000.000
BGMafiaDMX 1 year ago
Bulgaria!!! afcors we have like -15% whitouth the gypsys man that sux they will be more then us in the near future if we tolerate them more and more islamick fagots !!! fuck india also, why do we need so much population? when they have no + in economy or something other im talking about the (gypsys and indians) oh what am i talking who cares about us?
the usa first whanted to take over our government and projected that this country woud have like bellow 4.000.000 population and less and less
BGMafiaDMX 1 year ago
the growth rate is dropping worldwide, Earths population will not double again.
Tekkin23 1 year ago
Liars!!!! What about Wars?
Bible is always correct. The population is shrinkaging alot faster. God knows the truth. people reject God's ideas. They keep saying the world is overpopulated. Liar. Read the book of daniel.
God is going to send more food to the world in few days. God vs. Humans. who wins?
God. The whole economic system will be ruined in few days.
screenwriterOscar 2 years ago
screen
what on earth are you rabbiting on about.?
you just don't make sense, just how is god going to send us food and what shop do we go to, to get it.?
don;t tell me god will provide. well i'll leave you to spong off god and i'll provide for myself.
BTW its 5 days after your prediction, anymore words of wisdom for us sinners?
axeholme2 2 years ago
@axeholme2
you don't make any sense at all. I've done lot of research on google maps. The world is not over populated. what's overpopulating is housing. Not people.
It's like say guns don't kill people. people kill people. Overpopulation is just a hoax.
screenwriterOscar 2 years ago
Yeah what ever you say, you sound a bit dippy to me though,
Still want to know what day of the week it is that God will provide, you said in a few days and that was 5 days ago.
You really should not make silly statements on grown up sites, suggest you stick to your kindy sites with all of your other little playmates.
Ta, Ta, for now.
axeholme2 2 years ago
yea russian are not stupid they know that our new genetion rush to doing kids cause of the price of the life
jejeroy 2 years ago
there is not too many people on earth yet i think but it will be in the next years, btw pop is really 6,6 thousand million not billion
minero1986 2 years ago
Time for H1N1 to kick in and be the Black Plague of the day! We need some thinning out.
BostonUrbEx 2 years ago 2
@BostonUrbEx
What if the H1N1 kills you and your family?
themrduragss 1 year ago
@themrduragss Dude, H1N1 died in winter, like all "pandemics" do.
dave19941000 1 year ago
2billion is about right
walter0bz 2 years ago
walter
Yes about 1945 the world pop was about 2 bill, may be quite an achievement to get back to this level. No doubt about it there are just too many bodies on Earth, the only ones to profit are tax collectors and big corporations, the little man has nothing to gain from a choking population.
aranman1946 2 years ago 17
To aranman1946:
What do you mean, "the little man has nothing to gain from a choking population?"
Sure he does. He gets to live, and he gets to go on enjoying having his precious darling babies.
Have you any idea of the mass slaughter it would take to get back to 2 billion? Isn't there a saying that "There is no going back?"
Why not think outside the box, and explore how we best ADAPT to an increasingly populous world? I advocate naturally large families, for the greater good of the many!
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist
Seppo, Really I can see that you are finishing the year on one of your manic treatment resistant spirals.
Of course people would prefer to live in clean surrounding without the choking waste of a 100 bil souls like you propose.
We all like making babies but that does not mean we have to fabricate our own personalized kindergartens. Strewth man show a little decorum you just can't continue to keep babies popping out you need to show a bit of intelligence, I know thas difficult for you
aranman1946 2 years ago 12
@aranman1946 black africa and india
europe isn't responsible for this, if anything europeans aren't having enough children
Ironzealot7531 1 year ago
@aranman1946
You admit that we all like making babies, so why not accept people having their own personalized kindergartens? Everybody has a natural and God-given right to having their traditionally very large families, it isn't something reserved to only the elites or the few.
The populous breeders, who are most of us, or becoming more so as populations grow, apparently would rather use technology to manage the "choking waste" of 100B souls, than to curtail their natural baby making. I agree.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946 Well said! See my videos on species competition. (Don't get bothered by the word "species" - it can refer to any group of players - organisms - who kill or imprison others.)
We all die eventually. Therefore, quality of life is the only thing that matters.
I am long overdue to make more videos on justice, quality of life, game theory, but I am exhausted (2 artificial knees) standing at my board, unable to write more than 4 lines before having to erase and put up another.
nahaymath 1 year ago
@aranman1946 Nothing to gain except his very existence. What makes you so special?
FarEastBeast 1 year ago
@aranman1946
So there was 2 billion people in 1930, now there's near 7 billion. So what? Why don't all these people have just as much right to live, as the small 2 billion that gave rise to so many, over the many generations? Not only do all these people have the natural right to breathe, eat, eliminate wastes, but they have the natural and God-given right to keep enjoying popping out babies naturally without use of any means of nasty unnatural "birth control"
Benefits: more life, more profits
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Benefits of so much human life: more scientists, more teachers, more innovation, natural acceleration of technology growth, Massive populations guard against foreign invasion, Pronatalism and population growth help indicate the direction towards ADAPTING better to so much population, Everybody can enjoy having large families at the same time, By letting families grow naturally large no method of birth control need be used. No need to clench legs. Let flow of life grow naturally!
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
You didn't mean to diminish the value of "the little man" did you? I suspect you didn't?
But the little man, or the commoners, have so much to benefit too. If populous China was to allow and encourage large families again, you think the commoners don't enjoy having children? Of course they do! Let them enjoy having their traditionally large families, IN CHINA.
Haven't you heard, There is no going back? The world now probably has more than 2 billion fertile women! Let babies come!
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Obvious laddie you naer been to China lately
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
What? Are you suggesting that China has "too many" people? I disagree.
Ironically, is China becoming more capitalistic than the United States?
I have long advocated large families worldwide, as I believe in neither "birth control" nor population "control" to be imposed upon humans. I believe in individual rights and personal responsibility.
How can parents enjoy having their precious darling babies in a world of so many people alive already? Populate denser. Scoot over a bit.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
What are yer saying laddie?. Yer dunna think China is full yet. Well laddie I ply the South China Seas and I can tell ye laddie there's alot of Chinese.
I dunna think individual rights comes into it, its all about the common good o"the masses. Sod all this political correctness and wishy washy christian bible thumping. Thin em all out at government level thats what I say.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
No, China isn't even near full. Sure, China has more people than acres, if you only count the land where most of the people live. But what about the northwestern part of China? If people really thought China was getting too full, why not populate every region of China thickly then?
I find it awfully strange, the population phobics most "concerned" about "overpopulation," seem to live in air conditioned comfortable towers of academia. Chinese and India people used to being a crowd.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Look, if people in China want big families, then aren't they already used to living in a crowd, and they don't think they are full yet.
Bible thumping? Though you were saying something about all the humping there for a moment, until I read to that part. Well let the populous masses hump naturally without the awful nasty contrary-to-nature contraceptives. You blame this upon Bible thumpers, and not upon nature?
Rewrite the Bible? No, why don't you read it? Don't insert man's folly
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Why must man corrupt everything he touches? You want to update the Bible, to be corrupted by man's folly? Yes, the Bible promotes large families, marrying young, the natural population growth. It should, as today's generation is wicked and is forgetting morals and common sense
You think babies born in China, become shocked the people is so many? No, they want to be born REGARDLESS. So what there's a lot of Chinese? Chinese want freedom to continue traditionally very large families
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
All countries should do their part, to help the planet hold more and more people, especially by populating themselves denser and denser, via their own natural increase, their very own children! This includes China. Or do they think themselves somehow special and exempt from this law of nature, that even human life spreads. Let their cities grow larger and closer together, even merge and coalesce.
The populous masses don't want to thin out, it's immoral to cull growing human race.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
There are not too many human bodies on earth. It's easy to imagine how so many more could easily be made to fit. Simply populate the planet denser. Build more and bigger cities and towns, closer together. People need the jobs anyway. Even "the little man" needs the jobs of building more housing for more people, and all the side jobs, building housing furnishings, etc., that it generates.
But there are now a lot more birth canal paths than there used to be with 2B. No going back!
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
You have not thought this through very well at all. Who do you think it is doing all this populating anyway? It's "the little man" of whom you mention, who supposedly gets no benefit from "a choking population." They say a baby is born each second in India. Isn't it the commoners having so many babies? Why? Because they want to get pregnant and want children.
You think big families living in small homes, husband and wife having to sleep on top of one another, don't desire to mate?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Pronatalist, Have you got the hots for me. ?. I've never had so much fan mail. Have been checking out other sites, looks like you've been trying to win hearts and minds elsewhere. Since when did you become a disciple of Carl Sagan?.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Have I got the hots for you? Is that a serious question? Just have to ask, as I don't receive cues through this text, of voice inflection or facial expression.
Are you criticizing or complimenting me, on posting perhaps "too many" comments? No, I was just trying to finish up the idea or my thoughts. Responding to the message, not so much to you personally.
Should I have the hots for you? Are you trying to be sweet on me or what?
Carl Pagan? No, I not a fan of that evolutionist.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Carl Sagan , laddie, I read his books while at sea, ye get a chance to see the stars and reflect on the great mans words at sea. Look laddie as far as I'm concerned he should be called on ta rewrite the bible. I reackon laddie before we thin out the masses we should thin out the bible thumpers. They just get in the way of progress laddie.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
They say what populates the planet, is extremely pleasurable. Well who made it that way? God who created us made humans to multiply exponentially and commanded us to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and gave no contraceptives in the Garden of Eden. Charles Provan in his book, The Bible and Birth Control, says that God put it in our hearts to seek our increase and multiplication. So it's not just the "raging hormones" of youth then, that makes some families grow LARGE?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Look laddie I enjoy a good shag as much as the next man, but I cannae look forward to screaming brats especially if they're a different colour ta me. I can tell ye many a tale o'shaggin wee lassies but ye being a bit o' a bible thumper ye dinna want ta listen.
Ye cannae be fillin tthe world wi bairns theres enough o' them already, best be limiting em, be best ta start limiting the wee small brats.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
I'm having some trouble understanding your sloppy slang English.
Quite many parents of sometimes large families, do not consider their children to be "screaming brats"
A different color? Are you referring to interracial adoptions? Not so sure I see the relevance? Or you were speaking something racial prejudice against your neighbors?
I don't believe in limiting children, because it's not natural, and because I don't consider myself better than them. I believe in the natural flow
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
By allowing the world to fill FULLER with children, there can be found place for everybody and all their progeny. But this quaint idea of a past world with only 2 billion people, has got to go, because it's counterproductive. They say there's no going back. The number of women of childbearing age, is higher than it has previously been, a prime factor I read in some pop article, why we have so much pop now
I believe in letting unlimited babies push out natural. Every life is sacred
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Ay I understand what ye say laddie but I rather see the little beggers naer born at all. Better steralize a who;generation o' lassies ta clear things up. As fer me English I dunna critcise yer lunacy,sa the sooner yer stick a broom up yer arse the better. Is that clear enough fer yer stupid fucking wanker.
By the wqay its naer English you dumb cunt.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
I meant to say By allowing the world to grow FULLER with children ...
Sorry, but I see no Edit button around here.
I am prolife, so of course I see children and babies, as far more precious and valuable than merely annoying "beggers."
I don't believe in "birth control," as unnatural contraceptives are awkward and have terrible side effects, not to mention the cost.
Withdrawal doesn't work so well as precum oozes, many drops, each with 50,000 sperm.
So just let babies push out!
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
I don't understand your English problem, as your previous posts were so much clearer and easier to read. I think you are just trying to be cute or silly or something?
I love children, I am pronatalist, pro-population, so I naturally reject the various bogus pop "control" arguments that are really attacks against human freedom, dignity, and personal responsibility.
Large families are cool, as they spread more relaxed and freely, human life. Family size still is "uncontrollable."
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Pronatalist I've been looking at a couple of sites and on one of them I read some faily leud comment of yours relating to your anatomy. Did not realize that you are into soft porn. I think I'd like you to limit your comments to me as little as possible. People may think that you are stalking me and I'd much sooner people know that I've no interest in you at all.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Yes I realize that you are pro pop, how many children do you have?
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Sorry, I wish I could boast of children, but I haven't found my special lady wife yet. But when I do, I wish to have "all the children God gives." I don't believe in hindering or sabotaging the body contrary to the natural life-giving procreation function.
According to author Mary Pride, "unplanned" families aren't really all that much larger than "planned" families, typically, around 5 or 6 children in countries where birth control is rarely used.
"Bonus child" or 2+, OK with me
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
What's this? You talk like maybe you are for some reason annoyed with me, and then ask me a question but 4 minutes later? Can't make up your mind? Keep sending me fan mail replies?
I have no special interest in you. Just another username on the internet. Please don't accuse me of anything, as I am a nice harmless guy.
Not sure what you were talking about, but sounds like you found some website you ought to stay away from? Was it even me? I have never proven my name to be unique.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
No, you were boasting the size of your reproductive parts which I find particularly offensive. You say that you're a nice guy and like children but make lewd and offensive comments, There are minors who visit various You Tube sites and it is not appropriate to make these comments. Visit Population Explosion 156 of about 2 days ago. If it is not you it is someone using your name.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Sorry then, I apologize.
The guy accused me of not having a dick, and so I got too smart with him? Perhaps that wasn't the thing to do. But I see no Edit button. And you done seen it now?
Internet is risky place for minors. Even YouTube has videos of horse mating, as that's apparently not obscene, but part of nature. Also, there's videos of babies emerging from between the legs. I don't consider that obscene, though some children maybe wish to wait until of greater age to see.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Pro thats good, thats the first time you've proffered an apology amid all the comments that you've made. Thats progress and I'm proud of you, now all you have to do is cure yourself of this nasty afliction of yours to do with polluting the world with millions of brats. A couple of other things you are going to have to tone down yor bible thumping , and maybe start to vote democrat. Open your eyes expand your horizens. Like Carl Sagan said we are on a journey through star stuff.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Maybe start to vote DemocRAT? What? You go from bad to worse ideas.
About the only way I can vote for an evil tax-spend-borrow-tax DemocRAT, is to vote against some evil RINO (Republican In Name Only) Republicrat incumbant. I have a lot of friends who are very anti-incumbant, blaming most everybody in power, with purposely ruining our economy, especially tyrant Obama with his Great Obama Depression.
Let's edit this, shall we? Make "brats" - "billions of darling precious children"
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
No Obama will do till there's a good leader to emerge from the repulicans. Biggest threat to civilization is from Islam but the way you carry on reminds me of those mad crazy Imam's.
You need to tone things down a bit and accept that there are too many unwanted brats and government is going to have to intervene and take measures to slow the population growth and with luck they may even reverse the growth. It will be essential for govt to dictate family size and gender.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Tyrant Obama will not due. He's long overdue to be impeached, and that's something that so disgusts me about supposedly conservative Republi-crats. That they can't seem to find in their vocabulary, appropriate "radical" words such as "impeach," and "treason." Aren't those words in the Constitution that they took an oath to uphold, against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC?
Why do you want to slow the pop growth? If parents want to grow the pop fast, it is their right!
Gender?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Are you telling me, you want gov doing sex selection? You want all the horrible abuses of China, imposed worldwide? Have you any concept of freedom? Need me to pull out my "Bible thumping" Bible on you? Or can we please find some common sense around here somewhere?
What's so complicated about, Let people do what they want? Get the gov politicians out of our pockets and out of our business. Stop having Big Brother gov breathing down our necks.
Let family size be as large as it is.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
How did I misspell "do" as "due?" Those pesky spellcheckers, don't catch grammar errors.
If somebody feels they need 9 children to be fulfilled, who is anybody to argue? Perhaps they do. Who can know better than they themselves, or God?
I have no agenda to slow the population growth. It should be rightfully in the hands of billions of parents, or better yet, of God. It's the people's own homes they are first populating, so if they are fine with naturally increasing pop, so be it!
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
great news, looks highly likely we will get a new govt, a Liberal National Coalition, something akin to Republican party. They are commited to small Australia, limit immigration and keep pop at a sustainable level.
No more baby bonus for bringing unwanted brats into the world, tight limits on immigration, but most importantly someone who recognises that the world can only accommodate a finite number of people. The movement to constrain pop growth is alive, running and active
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
First of all, does "Liberal" (National Coalition) have the bad, anti-freedom connotation, that it does in the U.S.? I can't just assume that "liberals" of Australia are as stupid, and are statist marxists, like they are in the U.S., because "liberal" is a vague word that can have a different meaning in another country.
So sad to hear that Australians are rebelling against God, and don't want to value their babies.
There might be some good reasons to restrict immigration?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Babies are future taxpayers, future customers, and the future people to do the work and take care of the older generations when they get so old that their health and abilities start failing. If Australia is having fewer and fewer babies, that can only mean trouble. Aren't you inviting Muslims to come in and take over, as the pop atrophies?
No more baby bonus? There shouldn't even be an anti-family income tax to begin with. Is that where the baby bonus is?
World can hold everybody
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
If Australia doesn't welcome babies, that means it's becoming corrupt and selfish, and also means, or leads to, reduced freedom. If a country isn't friendly to families, how is it friendly to humans?
Constraining pop growth is contrary to nature, and contrary to the rights and wishes of families and individuals.
I am sympathetic to immigrants, but some immigrants don't contribute, suck up taxpayer money, don't speak language, vote for runaway-spending-benefits and not freedom.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
You compared Liberal National Coalition to our Republican Party. Now that's a bit confusing, because our Republican Party stands for very good things, or at least they claim they do. Pro-life, anti-family-planning-funding to other countries or organizations that do abortions, pro-business, pro-family, for smaller gov and less taxes. Republicans supposedly don't spend as wild as DemocRATS, although that's somewhat debatable. Republicans want more jobs, oil drilling, school choice.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Our Republican Party changed the child deduction on income taxes, to a tax credit, making it worth even more. It's a misconception to view that as an incentive or payment to encourage Americans to have more babies. Although that may be of some effect, it's really a recognition that large families may not have so much spare money to pay taxes, and also an "investment" into future taxpayers. Sort of a "bulk discount."
Even if pop capacity is limited, we are nowhere near any maximum.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Tthey did that to appease the bleeding hearts.Probably explains why they lost the election. Pop control is the way of the future and NWO will have no option but to curb pop growth. Most christian sects are doomed to the scrapheap, no one believes in church mumbo jumbo these days. Christian teachings are full of mis teachings and falsehood.
Explains why Islam will spell the end of christianity. Unless christians practice birth control and expel moslems to their own countries.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
How can you be so clueless? Republicans lose elections for a very understandable reason. Compromise. They over-spent too much money. They offend their own base. The establishment RINOs give us awful "moderates" or compromisers that offend the base, so they don't vote because their candidate didn't win the Primary. Republicans are dull and boring and have no fire in the belly. Those that do, the real conservatives, seem to win.
Yes, I agree, "baby bonuses" are pro-life, & buy votes
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Buying off votes with baby bonuses, does work, however, trashing the economy with a sudden crash just before the election, and running up unsustainable debt, and being boring, and not supporting the Constitution much better than the DemocRATS, undermines that benefit.
Not to mention how we were played like a fiddle. The NWO globalists pushing the funding of major candidates (Soros), thought we would go for a black (marxist) President, and Obama picked up the "guilty white vote."
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
Be careful what you say of DemocRATS because you know what they say, "A rat always knows where his tail is" and that would imply that they are smarter than you.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
We can debate all day why elections turn out the way they do, but the real reason is that most Americans are uninformed and lazy morons, people who don't own property probably ought not be allowed to vote, and the mainstream misleadia didn't warn us. There's a lot of voter's remorse, and Obama and especially Congress's approval ratings are in the toilet. If the voters were smart, we would always elect strict Constitutionalists/conservatives/libertarians, all for small government.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
They do baby bonuses to appease the bleeding hearts? Did you not know that gov is supposed to serve the people? "Buying off votes," isn't necessarily always wrong, if what they do is Constitutional, and really good for the people and the country. Aren't we, at least in theory, government of, by, and for the people?
Pop control is the way of the future, only if it's written in stone, that the wave of the future is tyranny. Be honest. Human pop CAN keep growing. Nowhere near full.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
Most Christian sects are doomed to the scrapheap? And why might that be? Could it be, that they AREN'T HAVING ENOUGH CHILDREN? See a Church with few children? I see in that, a DYING CHURCH. Either the Church is dull and boring, and all the young people are leaving, or they are letting the Muslims and immigrants outbreed them. Don't you know, nature favors those who reproduce?
Already we see those reproducing like bunnies, taking over. Muslims, immigrants, big families. Africa +1B?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist The answer is simple,cease all non christian immigration and repatriate non christians that won't totally assimilate into a christian culture.
Look at the reasons that people are deserting the church.
axeholme2 1 year ago
@aranman1946
There's places all around, to put more people. Look at most any map, and see all sorts of land, that isn't cities yet. We don't have to have fewer children, nor does the world need to remains such a sparsely populated place as it had been in the past. Why do you want to live in the past? They say there's no going back. We need to move forward
There are better options that don't actually limit numbers, so why do you ignore them? Peoples shouldn't have all their options? NWO is evil
pronatalist 1 year ago
@pronatalist
BTW what have you got against axeholme2, he talks quite logical and I particularly like his reference to Carl Sagan. Every comment you abuse him even though he gives credible comments. He spoke well of you to others but you still abuse and attack him.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946
What? Surely you don't expect me to tone down the Bible thumping? And here I have these several big Bible-thumping Bibles? You're trying to get me riled up or something? Now you got me thinking, where can I find a big fat liberal retard, to give a big Bible thump to?
So you think you can turn me into one of those problem-puking today's false liberal marxists? Gee, I hope I never become like them. Somebody might thump a Bible at me?
Or we could have more reading, less thumping?
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946
I removed the 2 "offending" comments of which you speak. Not that I intend to make a habit of removing comments people object to, but because I thought it the right thing to do.
pronatalist 1 year ago
@aranman1946 And even the rich will suffer. Once ressources are depleted, money can't help you out. 2 bilion is the long term carrying capacity of the planet. More than that, everyone will have more ressources.
MillyVanillification 1 year ago
@MillyVanillification You're right the world has far exceeded it ability to sustain the current population.
aranman1946 1 year ago
@aranman1946 the only way to get back to 2 billion is to commit mass murder. Are you suggesting we kill 5 billion ppl ( kids included)
selftaughtninja 1 year ago
This topic is the pivotical point of the evil of left wing politics whether it is Democrat Communist or Socialist.
What left wingers do is promote a means is justify by the ends.
LIFE IS NOTHING BUT MEANS. ANY TALK OF MEANS TO PRODUCE THE END IS EVIL PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
It is in our interest to kill all means talker. Let them be the solution.
dogcrapgreen 2 years ago
Haha! sooner or later God is going eradicate a lot of us. It happened before it will happen again. Balance always comes when least expected. He may also be just doing mass reincarnation of souls unto bodies. Hahah! I watched too many movies, horror ones.
Poorestgump 2 years ago
Hahah! slander the truth is there for everyone to read...ehem!. To claim statements using WE or US in a untruthful manner to that person is slander. I guess we all know who that is....hahha!
Poorestgump 2 years ago
Wow! 6.6 and not every country is coping to sustain oneself. If it was this video wouldn't even exist.
Poorestgump 2 years ago
To Poorestgump:
6.8 billion now. I think/hope people are coming to the realization that not even near 7 billion people is all that much, for a world so huge.
Apparently, at least some people still love making babies. At least some people still love their children enough to go on having more.
I get so sick and tired of population phobics, talking foolish alarmist talk, as if world pop was growing too large/fast. Compared to what? I don't believe things happen for no reason, but for some reason
pronatalist 2 years ago
I really don't care about pop phobics. That is too big for me to tackle. My pop revolves on my family tree alone. I also believe things happen for a reason, a reason if given amount of time and responsible family finances, I would extend my branch.
Poorestgump 2 years ago
To Poorestgump:
Well I do care about pop phobics, because they are spreading heresy that aims to attack basic human freedom/liberty, and devalue human life
Of course, extend your branch of the family tree. People understand so little about demographics. What happens when huge numbers of people naturally increase, often with little or no use of "birth control?" Family trees blossom into entire forests! As other families do this too, the planet grows DENSER. But we CAN find/make room for so many
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist
You're back, I haven't heard from you for about 3 weeks, I thought you'd done something silly. So good to see you back, what kept you?.
Looking forward to more of your pseudo humour. I'm so excitement think I'll wet myself.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
What gives? 3 weeks ago you feign or pretend you don't want to be bothered, and yet you keep replying to me, and now you miss me?
What kept me? I've been around, you must not have been looking?
Liberals say things that today's false libs apparently don't believe, like "HAVE MORE SEX" Oh really? What better way to have more sex in the world, but to urge the population naturally increase, so MORE people can enjoy sex, among other things?
Not anything goes, but do it the right way
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist
Much as I hate to admit that I do miss your silly comments, you're a bit like the village idiot, you really are amusing that is if you don't take what you say seriously, which no one does anyway.
BTW google PTSD I don't intend to lecture you on personality disorders.
Hate to tell you this Seppo but you're leaving marriage and raising a family a bit late. You'll be better off getting a job and then get married and then have a family. Ask your pastor he'll put you right.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
I agree to hold people responsible largely for their own condition, but we are in an OBAMA DEPRESSION, Hello! If there aren't anymore enough jobs to go around, how dare you criticize people for not having a job when it's clearly government socialist manipulation of the economy that is at fault? I had a job until my employer liquidated. Now most employers AREN'T hiring anybody new, in survival mode, no thanks to tyrant Obama.
My pastor knows I have no job. At least I was prepared.
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist
don't get the time to visit too many sites, you see I'm gainfully employed whereas there are some who pretend to be looking for work but instead spend their time on you tube and then blame Obama for their indolence.
how's your love life? have you got a woman yet to start breeding from?. You know, just part the old beef curtains, play the spam castanets and bingo you've got another baby to add to the world. But as a 49 year old virgin you're too mean and selfish to procreate
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2
So what is your point anyway? We unemployed people, although apparently previously very employable, are 2nd class citizens, so our views just don't count as much as that of EMPLOYED people? You support some sort of caste system, in which some people are more important than others?
You are employed today, but what about tomorrow? Have you paid off ALL DEBT to get prepared for tyrant Obama suppression/manipulation of the economy? Do you have any emergency savings? Ready for $ crash?
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist
Economic cycles ebb and flow. The situation that we find ourselves in will pass. I respect your views on Obama but he is not the problem.
Debt and greed are the key factors in this recession.
I think that my finances are o.k. but no one is bullet proof.Immigration from 3 rd world waters down a nations savings and wealth, it would be far better to provide wealth generation in 3 rd world countries.
We really do need to slow down population growth, we all need a breather.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Wow! Your last 2 comments seem a bit more intelligent than your average comments. What happened?
No, it's not just natural economic cycles. Federal Reserve System was not created to stabilize, but to exploit the economy. It's a massive criminal cabal, definitely unconstitutional. 1913 Federal Reserve, 1929 Stock Market Crash/FDR Great Depression. Fed manipulation CAUSED Depression.
Many immigrants fled communist regimes, could surprise liberals when they wake up and dump Obama.
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist
'Only a little Gold,' I don't like to divulge personal info so I'll just leave it as a little gold. No more to be said on that matter, its closed.
There's possibly a few important factors that have led to our present situation, i'e' 9/11, unsupervised deregulation of the financial system, inadequet accountability of regulatory authorities. You could nominate a litany of sins in whose to blame. Obama, no he's not to blame, he's just a figment of liberal indulgence.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
I didn't ask you for your personal info, and even if I did supposedly, I would expect you to have your option not to share that info, unless you want to.
I am more interested in talking of the theory and issue, than how prepared or unprepared you or I may be.
As some commercial for gold claims, gold is the real money. It's not a paper promise to repay, for the value is intrinsic to the money. Money on deposit at a bank, is not sure at all, they may be unable to repay in a panic.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
I am a private person and no one will get personal information.
Gold, Gold and more gold. Listen Pronatalist any surplus reserve's that you may accrue put into precious metals. You will not regret it.
There is no lasting value in printed money.
Gold, property and good health are the cornerstone of well being.
It matters little as to how little you put into these reserves just add to them and they will grow.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Lesson in Cuba's toilet paper shortage, is to not underestimate huge danger of systemic political risk. If you like toilet paper, either hoard, or accept to use old phone book pages?
There's plenty of resources for everybody IN A GOOD ECONOMY. But after a bad election of bad people, there could develop shortages of most anything, as incentives for productive work are eroded by rampant socialism
Buy everything you will need, a year or more in advance if you can? Most can't afford
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
Only hoard what won't spoil, and at bargain prices. Many dangers in hoarding just for the sake of it or for irrational fears. Best to only hoard that which will appreciate in value.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Most people have little idea why they should consider hoarding a little at least, much more seriously. Even gov tells us to have emergency supplies to last your family at least 3 days, until government help can arrive? (Why should anybody trust government "help" to come soon, if at all?)
A hedge against inflation: Somebody with no debt, could buy their stuff early, before the price rises.
But if political risk leads to fleeing to another country, how do you take it all with you?
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
There is no such thing as political correctness as politicians are seldom correct.
They take the view that we are free
Free to go hungry and free to go broke
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
I read somewhere that one of the surest ways to go broke, is to believe you live in a free state. (Then you don't see all the money and other manipulations.)
The old saying says, A fool and his money are soon parted.
Contrary to gov political misinformation, hoarding is PATRIOTIC. Hoarders need not fight over the last loaf of bread in the store, before the bad weather hits. Hoarders could share (for a price?) with family, friends, or those who didn't prepare. Price can be WORK.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
Two things are assured 1. death, 2. taxes. Everything else is window dressing
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Ah, don't be so pessimistic. God assures us that heaven and hell are very real places.
In heaven, there is no death and taxes.
So we are assured to have at least a little suffering in this fallen world.
Did you see that episode of Star Trek TNG in which Q is punished for his mischief by the Q continuum, by being made to be a mere human? What a whining crybaby he became. He thought he was dying, because he had aches and pain. Crewmembers told Q, you are just hungry or tired.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
What on earth makes you think that I'm pessimistic. I've got a very optimistic view of MY world and I include into it the things that enhance the quality of life.
Rampant pop is not part of that, SORRY.
On some issues we will never agree, but at least we do not need to be offensive.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
As a prolife activist and pronatalist, I believe population is what it is. Not something we humans should make any effort to impose "control" upon.
Countries like India should not feel any shame or guilt, to have let their population grow naturally so "huge," for don't we all feel the same powerful reproductive urges? People have been living there 1000s of years, so it's understandable.
Large families better condition children to thrive in an increasingly populous world.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
With all due respect, I have no interest in India or the like in any way shape or form.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Most people who say they don't want to live in a world with the population density of India, have never been to India, nor made much any effort to understand the culture. And as of a year or 2 ago, they say half the world population now lives in cities. Cities already have a population much denser than that of India's overall land.
Does India portend where we may be headed? Yes and No. The entire world could potentially become so pop dense, but without all the dirt and poverty.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to ppronatalist
i'm off to bed early start tomorrow, don't forget I'm in the antipodes
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Okay, talk to you later.
What means antipodes?
Upon a planet not getting any bigger, where human populations tend to continue to naturally grow, throughout many regions of the world not yet so infested with awful shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potion and poison pushing, it should have been obvious that we humans have to accept a world in which people come to live and reproduce in closer proximity to one another, on the global scale at least, so we can all fit. We can pop denser
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
Antipodes means the other side of the earth.
We need pharma companies, but their profits and practices should be subject to more community scrutiny.
We need them to continue to make contrceptives in order to ensure that the population is kept in check.
axeholme2 2 years ago
Toaxeholme2
We need Big Pharma? I won't argue against that. Surely there's some need for some medications. But we have been advertised to be popping way too many pills for way to many things. For a comical commentary on that line, search YouTube for "Big Pharma Ultimate Commercial" I think it was. The one with the dancing pills, a pill for everything imaginable
I read somewhere that contraceptives must be pushed, just to keep pace with the growing pop. What? That still continues the exp growth
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
I once knew a doctor who had a practice in the Scottish Highlands, in those days we had not arrived at the medication explosion that we have today. Needless to say in those days some of the present RX would have been a miracle, she did however need to use the best of her skills to heal and tend to the sick. Some of those old skills are now lost, just like some of the natural medicines found in nature that have been lost to land clearing to make way for insane population growth
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
And what do you think is really driving the medical and technology "explosions?" Couldn't it be possibly the nat human pop "explosion?" Rather than being a detriment to the world, humans have creative and intelligent minds, and often contribute to the world. The more of us there are, the faster all those small incremental improvements start adding up. Many inventions weren't so much really for comfort, as for proper pop ACCOMMODATION
Not just plants, but people find new medicines
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
You are aware of the idea that all this medical technology is a large part of what helped unleash this global population "explosion," don't you? I suspect the theory is somewhat incorrectly misstated. But there is the idea that solving problems and seeking to treat and cure people, is helping to make the planet naturally grow all the more "crowded" with people. So should a doctor not care to help people? Of course doctors should heal people.
Better public sanitation also helped.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
Like I have said humans are too successful. We need to use our intelligence to improve peoples lifestyle and not just increase their numbers as a mark of success.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
How can humans be "too successful?" Humans aren't supposed to be successful? Says who?
The more numerous humans manage to become, the more people there are who benefit.
Consider people having little pidly "planned" families versus more naturally large "unplanned" families. 3 or 4 children versus typically 5 or 6 children w/o "birth control." I would much rather accept a "bonus" child or 2, than bother with unnatural contraceptives. Besides, I love children, and my little nephews
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2 (round wrap-up):
Not all humans are talented in many areas. But one thing quite many people are apparently good at, is reproducing children. Let them have that. Let the people enjoy what they are good at.
People need to be challenged, and a growing population is a wonderful and good sort of challenge.
And I see God as having some purpose to it all. Besides, let nature be somewhat "wild" and free, especially in the aspect that so benefits so many humans, our natural procreation.
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
The problem is not that we now have too much medical technology, but rather that greed and corporations and government has been manipulating medical care contrary to what's best for we people.
Consumer Reports claimed that advertising is pushing new drugs that are more expensive, over old better proven and tested drugs.
Medical care/insurance isn't really much about health, but sold on fear/$s, more than on actual need. Many people are very healthy w/o medical care nor vaccines.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
I carry private health insurance. It means that I can go into a private room in a private hospital without having to listen or put up with idiots, or boorish morons.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
I wouldn't want to pay an extra premium for medical insurance, to assure having a private room in a hospital. Private hospitals may be better though?
I generally don't get sick, so why pay for some extra benefit I probably don't need and would never use? However, don't you live in Australia? Perhaps your medical industry isn't so overpriced as ours is in the U.S.?
Don't want to have to share a room when sick? But isn't there the risk of being lonely and not making a friend?
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
I cringe when I hear arguments for people "having" to have medical insurance. I used to accept them, but rebelled when costs soared out of control.
What if you get sick? Do you want to lose everything financially? Lose your house? Why should we taxpayers pay for you?
These questions are deceptive, asked by willing victims too unpatriotic to rebel.
What if you get sick and die before you get to the hospital? What if greedy insurance companies have to be sued?
Can't afford it!
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
Elective medical care is more of a question of when rather than how much. If and when I get crook, I want to be treated now!!!!, and I'm wiling to pay.
I also enjoy my own company and as for lonely risks there is a greater risk of sharing a room with someone that I don't know and don't want to know.
No conspiracy from big insurance companies, my life, my choice and my cost. I'm worth it, I've worked for what I've got and I will spend my money as I wish. No issue, no compromise
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Sharing a room with a stranger you don't want to know. Yeah, that's a risk some may think it's worth paying to avoid. Your choice if you can afford it. Maybe I would do the same if I was rich, or I could "self-insure" so what does it matter?
I can't stand about today's false liberals, how easily they are duped into stealing our liberty by lies. Dare criticize me, because I question, hot extension cord is UNSUSTAINABLE. One unlucky day, all 4 refrigerators will cycle at SAME TIME!
pronatalist 2 years ago
pronatalist (wrap up)
if i were you i'd get my fuse box checked.
btw i'm not rich , just frugal and prioritize my wants and needs.
thankfully my health is also good, but with overcrowded public hospitals being filled with ever increasing population resulting from poor family planning, i will take responsibility for my health needs.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2
But the natural population growth is SUSTAINABLE, when people are free to explore their own adaptations and solutions. In a free market, more hospitals or birth clinics, or whatever is needed, soon would be built. Villages growing into towns, and towns growing into cities, growing larger and closer together, soon get their own hospitals and medical clinics
It's more overcrowded/overloaded when gov runs everything. Nature fattens tree trunk to carry more branches. Politicians don't
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Check my fuse box? Oh, but I did. My ancient central A/C unit lost its freon, and its cool. Decided to replace it with modern efficient heat pump. They removed my ancient fuse panels and put in modern higher capacity circuit breaker panel. Yeah, it was expensive, but worth it. I added more receptacles and circuits.
Why not buy cheap window unit A/Cs? Because I have old house with old wiring. Who knows what's on each circuit? Far better to keep direct panel feed to central A/C.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
I was referring to the fuse box between your neck and your scalp, you seem a bit frenetic tonight.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Check run completed. Diagnostics program reports all my brain functions running okay.
However, I see some evidence that your world view needs some adjusting.
pronatalist 2 years ago
to pronatalist
Nice to see that your brain activity running o.k., just make sure that the technician has suitible qualifications, and get a second opinion.
My view of the world is quite jaded as more people are born and the population goes up.
Realists like me know that this world is far too crowded and each day the quality of like decreases due to the choking effcts of run away population.
axeholme2 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
Of course more people are born. They say you can't stop people from having sex. Why would you want to? Are you a communist or a party pooper? I just want them to be married first, as society does have a reasonable expectation that some provision has been made that all these babies being born will be properly taken care of, and we know who the parents are, to hold responsible.
Pop goes up, because you and I insist upon continuing to live, and so do all the other people being born.
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
I think you aren't even a very good realist, because any good realist should be able to admit that the world can easily enough bulge to hold or be made to hold, far more people. Wouldn't a realist have to admit that if life is possible in India, that more of the world should be able to populate as denser or even denser than India?
Far too crowded, compared to what? Have you moved out of the city, to the middle of nowhere yet? If not, what are you whining about? Let pop rise nat.
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
The more populated we get, the more people there are who benefit and can experience life. The natural and moral incentives, are not to ration the quantity of human life, but rather that any "ideal" human population size shouldn't be small and pidly, but more like "nearly as large as possible," for the most benefit for the most people.
Even libs would have to admit that pop growth increases the need for more people to become sexually active. I agree, so let lots of babies be born!
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
The markets are rational. Governments are dumb. Most everywhere, we see the markets, the people seeking profits, solving problems, while the governments puke problems all over the place. Freedom works, everywhere it's been tried.
The pop goes up, as a result of human successes? Of course people should want to invest their wealth and efforts into the future, by having children and enlarging their pops
God commanded humans to multiply, so if God allows/causes runaway pop, so be it
pronatalist 2 years ago
To axeholme2:
It's far better that humans be so populous, than the ravenous dinosaurs, a potential problem in some Godzilla movie. Humans are so much more docile and easy to get along with, in comparison. Humans also seem to be rather population-efficient, able to survive and thrive at extreme population densities, and not eating much per person and storing food for later.
It's already a populous world, so it's prudent to ADAPT and embrace high pop levels, not fight nature and what must be.
pronatalist 2 years ago