1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practied martial arts.
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
@angryaznman i believe the kalari payat was introduced and integrated into shaolin as well. Alot of indian influences can be found in china, buddhism is one of them.
@ayamkambingliao your belief is irrelevant. historians already discredit that myth.
even basic wiki has caught on.
wiki shaolin kung fu - History
wiki shaolin monestery - patron saint - at the bottom it talks about the indian monk, and what martial arts historians think of him bringing kung fu to China
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
@ayamkambingliao nope. buddhism was not accepted until it merged with taoism. course buddhism is from nepal. gandhara was china's buddhist link, and its pakistan.
@mohnigirl. Flexibility can certainly contribute to power and greater range of movement, I never implied it didn't. I have been doing yoga for 20 years. However, it takes more than flexibility to generate power. In kungfu we practice as fast speeds and have control so we don't hurt each other. Shaolin did more than modify it. They took something basic and turned into a complexed system. Even Shaolin involved into more effective systems like Hung Gar, Wing Chun etc.
vishalmaha, all can become commercialized, even martial arts and the spiritual path. it just depends on the motivation of the person that makes it so. The essence is never lost, only hidden for those who hope to gain wealth and status. Kalari is one of india's many hidden treasures, and like yoga, could be modified. Friendliness and humility should always be part of a teacher representing such oceans of wisdom. clear water only mixes with clear water
For the lower conversations I briefly read below. Martial arts did go from India to China, but as you can see it was more yoga than a fighting system. Shaolin is who turned into a complex and effective system. From Shaolin it spread to the rest of the world. Shaolin still really is the birth place because they are the ones who invented multiple styles and effective techniques and what we know as martial arts today, but they did get a little foundation from India as well as Buddhism. Check your
@sifumantis7777 yup people often do yoga with live steel. I fail to see how this is not an effective system. Oh I get it, you think because they have flexibility it must not have power. Beginners focus on increasing flexibility, once you have the flexibility down you focus on moving with power. They are practicing with slow speed as not to hurt each other. Birthplace of something is where it actually came into existance, modifying something does not mean you invented it.
@sifumantis7777 no it did. Chinese martial arts predate kalari by a very long period. but ill let a kalari expert tell you that.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
This is so beautiful. I hope it does not lose the deep spiritual element and become commericialised like the way the west is doing with other martial arts and yoga. It is perfect, a complete way of life as it is.
DJ Mon, no; iaido uses a live blade. Motions are just done slowly.
Also, the sword attacks these guys make are huge and their footwork tends to assume that their opponent isn't going to take a swipe at their leg.
I've never observed this art in combat against a realistic scenario, but it really seems that all the movements around the head seem to leave a person open... My sparring partners would kick the ever-lovin' stuffings out of me if I ever gave them these kinds of openings...
OMG this is so cool! :'] I wish they brought this in the united states so people can learn about the different style look like a great way to get fit and flexable!
also whats really funny is that you keep coming here to reply but when I reply you claim I have nothing better to deal in real life, lol look up the work "hypocritical". how dumb do you have to be to insult someone for doing something and then do the same thing yourself?
also you're so bright you just posted it's dumb to talk to you, you what I agree, it IS really really stupid to acknowledge a idiot like you,my mistake. thanks for pointing out that idiots like you should be ignored.
@RhadeConstantine It didn't. Karate does have a link with Chinese martial arts. The two don't have a link with kalaripayattu because Chinese martial arts are much older than the Indian martial art.
@6arcsn1sky .Karate began as a common fighting system known as te (Okinawan: ti) among the Pechin class of the Ryukyuans. After trade relationships were established with the Ming dynasty of China by King Satto Chinese martial arts were introduced to the Ryukyu Islands by visitors from China, A large group of Chinese families moved to Okinawa around 1392 for the purpose of cultural exchange, where they shared their knowledge of a wide variety o Chinese martial arts.
@RhadeConstantine If you had reread my respond, I posted karate and Chinese martial arts DOES HAVE a link together while both arts weren't influence by kalaripayattu.
@6arcsn1sky weren't influenced by kalaripayattu? I was at song shan from 1998-2000 and the monks there themselves said that the earliest forms of martial art's were brought to China from India, also think about the fact that the 107 marmam point's of kalaripayattu correspond EXACTLY to the the pressure points taught in Chinese martial art's also keep in mind that kalaripayattu is older than the earliest forms of CMA
@RhadeConstantine You suspect someone like me to believe kalaripayattu to be older than most Chinese martial arts? Laughable because the Chinese already had a wrestling style called shuai jiao which is a few thousand years older than the Indian martial art. Besides, the Shaolin monks already knew martial arts hundreds of years before Bodhidharma came to the temple.
@6arcsn1sky suspect someone like you to believe? listen bro, you aren't that important, I personally couldn't care less about what you believe, but I think if you're talking about what the shaolin monks knew, the best source of information are they themselves, in the two years I was there i was always told that chinese ma came from india, you can believe what you want, it's not going to affect me at all.
@RhadeConstantine Yeah, believe in what the Yi Jin Jing says just like how you want others to believe Chinese martial arts came from India. Nice try in making us believe you went to China and claim the monks told you that their styles were based on the Indian martial art.
@6arcsn1sky want other's to believe? you misunderstand dear friend, I don't give a shit. and secondly who the hell is us? Ive been talking to only you here so far, so unless you have multiple personality disorder there is "us" third I'm going back in november so can come over there yourself and meet me in person, perhaps we could even spar a bit.
@RhadeConstantine Talk all you want about your claim that kalaripayattu helped developed Chinese martial arts. I don't care what you have to say since those claims are just full of it.
@6arcsn1sky if you'd actually take the time to read before replying (trust me, it's useful) you'd notice that it wasn't about kalaripayattu so unless there are echoes in your head from the message I posted yesterday, you don't know what you're talking bout, secondly I see you've chosen to ignore my offer of a friendly spar, or maybe you just hit reply with reading?
@RhadeConstantine Stop wasting your time with me since I don't want to know your laughable claims. Besides, I have things to do in life than arguing with someone who believes in a link between kalaripayattu and Chinese martial arts.
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@6arcsn1sky dude, the "laughable claim" you're going on and on about was mentioned 4 days ago there have been almost 8 comment's after that, I see you still have those echoes stuck in your head, second yeah I agree, I am wasting my time with you since you don't seem to have a brain,also it's rather strange that you claim to have better things to do but still come back here just to tell me that, seriously I don't give a shit, also I see you're STILL ignoring my offer of a friendly spar. nice
@RhadeConstantine Why don't you take your claims and shove it up your ass. You're the one with voices on your head, or better yet, without a brain since you keep on replying to me. Fucking get a life.
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@6arcsn1sky ah, profanity, the last resort of those who lack a brain, I've already explained to you that the claim you keep crying about was mentioned 4 DAYS AGO, and not once after that, all THROUGH THE PAST 4 DAYS YOU HAVE CONTINUED POSTING AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME I MADE IT CLEAR ON THE FIRST DAY, that thats ok with me, yet since you have echoes in your empty head you have CONTINUED TELLING ME YOU DON"T BELIEVE FOR 4 DAYS AFTER I TOLD YOU I DON"T CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. UNDERSTAND?
@RhadeConstantine No, you're the one with echoes on your head since you can't stop replying to me. Like I said, get a life since you're probably have nothing to do in real life.
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@6arcsn1sky dude, for the past 4 days you've been commenting again and again that you don't believe me and don't think chinese ma came from kalaripayattu, i've been telling you from the 1st day I don't give a shit about what you believe 1st day 6arcsn1: I don't believe you me: ok 2nd day: I don't believe you me: ok fine 3rd day: I don't believe you me: fuck fine 4th day: I really don't believe you me: fine!!! 16 hours' ago: I don't believe you, shove your claims up your ass me:...
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@6arcsn1sky dude are you truly dumb or something? today is the fifth fucking day, EVERY TIME YOU TELL ME YOU DON"T BELIEVE ME AND EVERY TIME I TELL YOU I DONT FUCKING CARE. seriously, I just posted 8 hours ago that you've been repeating yourself and I don't give a fuck what you believe, yet again you're telling me about what you think is true and what isn't? for the 100th time, don't believe me I don't give a shit, how many times does this have to be said to you before you understand? jeez.
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@6arcsn1sky ""if i find me a annoying"" which fucking language are you talking in? you're the one who replied. I'm just answering you. stop commenting if you want me to stop.
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@6arcsn1sky so you come back here and specifically comment even after I told you to stop if you wanted me to stop? how incredibly intelligent. your mom must be so proud of you.
Buddy I don't want your support at all because what you just stated has shown me that you are just as ignorant as flancka. Homosexuality can't be compared to a disease in any way. I have a few gay friends and none of them are psychologically unstable. You need to get rid of those poisoned beliefs because no matter what one's sexual orientation may be, it doesn't make him or her more or less of a human. We are all equal in God's eyes my friend.
hahaha too funny.Your stance that their are ALMOST no gays in India refutes the tourist claims that India is a popular tourist haven for homosexual men..Your Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil of Gugarat state is one of your poster boys of India's VIBRANT gay community and just because you like to close your eyes and pretend Gay is not happening doesn't make it go away.
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This is gay.What is with the guru massaging his nude students? Seems like a homosexual male porn video. Freedy Mercury was a western homosexual rock star who often travelled to Kerela to study your martial arts and to hang out with the indian gay community. hahaha. This is totally impractical and this shit would not work against a trained fighter.
Ok buddy, first of all, you can't logically say that it's an impractical style because all oriental martial arts originated from kalaripayattu. Second of all, if this is so gay why did you take 15 minutes out of your day to watch both videos and comment on both of them? Maybe you're hiding something, maybe you enjoy watching men give nude massages to other men. Third of all you, you must be of fairly low intelligence seeing that you can't even spell the name Freddy correctly.
i can say it and i will repeat it, this shit will not work. It is good for tourists or dancers or cultural heritage lovers. I watched both videos expecting to see some real sparring with practical kicks and real use of fists and weapons. It did not happen .Maybe shielded away with your gay guru and freddy Mercury memories you choose not to live in todays world.
Speaking of sparring and usage of weapons, did you know that kalaripayattu is the only martial art in which real blades are used during sparring and practice. Buddy any martial art that you practice originated from kalaripayattu. Yet again with the gay comments, they say that people who frequently refer to things as gay often have something to hide, so if anything, its you who likes taking it in the tail pipe bro. Please tell me where you heard that Mercury went to India to learn kalaripayattu.
@anirudhkrishnamani Did you go to a school in USA or was it India? Or where was it? I'd like to try it. I'd especially like to try that metal whip sword or whatever it is.
@DJMon101 If I were you, I don't say "any martial arts" because martial arts isn't limited to the East Asian styles. Instead, a country and culture had develop thier own martial art.
@angryaznman I've seen it used effectively, and it is the father of kung fu. Shaolin legend says that the Dharmma brought kung fu from india. This is what he brought. It was outlawed by the english because it was effective enough that if a rebellion happened they would have trouble with it. The weapon styles are nice too.
@TenteixSaigo no it doesnt. if you did even a little research you would know its all bs. what legend is it? tell me the source of this claim? i dare you.
im telling you right now my 7 point piece already debunks w/e you can think of, but ill do it again specifically to you if you like.
@angryaznman What is wushu except a useless chinese dance? It takes years to even learn how those moves relate to combat. They spar with an actual sword and shield in Kalaripayattu. It's true it's not as useful as other arts, but that's because those arts were constantly refined because of canstant use and warfare. That doesn't make it useless, though.
@TenteixSaigo Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
You can also spar at kalaripayattu and if you can't see it, then you're really blind.... (and I wouldn't even say a word about weapons , I mean duh -_-' what do you see the whole time??)
If you don't like it, then shut up would you? cuz many ppl enjoy this and it's the real martial art
Buddy you posted the same comment twice. You can't even provide a reasonable argument for your statement. Try to improve your debating skills before you voice an idiotic opinion. When you actually beat a kalaripayattu master and stop gettin analy probed by other men, then come and post some comments.
@anirudhkrishnamani Hate to tell the truth, but none of the Chinese martial don't have a link with kalaripayattu since the Indian craft was around 10th BCE.
@anirudhkrishnamani That laughable story of Bodhidharma teaching Shaolin monks martial arts? Too most Chinese scholars and martial artists, they agreed that Bohidharma had nothing to do with Shaolin since it already had monks that were martial artist and the temple was around two centuries before Bodhidharma came to China.
@anirudhkrishnamani You're an idiot-- China was practically isolated; almost as much as Japan for much of the time in which these martial arts were originated. Also, Kung Fu originated centuries before Kalaripayattu. It wasn't recorded at least until 1100 ACE; and the Chinese martial art was produced at developed around the sixth century ACE-- Even a thousand years before, Confucius suggested that the Chinese develop a style of physical arts as well as literary arts.
@anirudhkrishnamani China and India are countries, not civilizations, actually; so, neither of them have any particular civilization. I'm not talking about 'us' for a side; for I'm not Indian or Chinese-- I'm just simply saying that you're wrong, the Chinese martial arts came long before the Indian martial arts.
btw my martial arts teacher(who does kalaripayattu) was invited to the shaolin temple and they themseleves admitted that our(indian styles) are much more ancient and they were very thankful for boddhidharma(monk from kanchipuram,India who is know as bogar here) for teaching the chinese how to fight.
@anirudhkrishnamani Umm; yes; I do know that, actually. And, I'm sorry, but it just wasn't. I don't know what world you're living in; but there's just no way; no one says that it is and everyone knows that Chinese martial arts came first except for you.
@anirudhkrishnamani Are you retarded? I've been doing it the past few messages to no avail. But, I can't talk to a fool that won't listen...Are you implying that there has always been a direct correlation between martial arts and Zen? 'Cause that would be stupid.
@anirudhkrishnamani It doesn't-- That was my whole point in the first place-- Chinese Martial Arts didn't derive from Indian Martial Arts-- As I said before; the ideal of Kalripayattu was developed centuries after Chinese martial arts made their 'debut'. Plain and simple.
guys, let's all give angryaznman a break, he's obviously angry, no doubt because his own shitty karma gave him a yellow nigger's body and a little dick.
@anirudhkrishnamani Yes, yes-- I've been through this a million times-- People like you get tired of saying the same things to no avail, so you just say inept things like you just did. Good job, Socrates.
Wow, this chinky is incredibly ignorant, but we have to understand him, the poor bastard received the shitty education of a maoist country!!! :D Surely he ignores that even the main principles of taoism originated from hinduism, like the concepts of yang/yin << linga/yoni!!! India is the mother of the whole asian culture/civilisation, every cultivated person knows that
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen
Phillip Zarrilli practitioner of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. One of the notable Western authorities on the subject of Indian martial arts. Zarrilli authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes:"
Copy pasting the same crap over and over give's you a feeling of "pwning" somebody ? Or is it the human feutuses, cats, dogs, horses & what not you eat that help in developing your incredible ability of self deception ? Remember where the Kama Sutra came from ? We can fuck you in more ways than you can imagine. Ask your ancestors.
India conquered most of Asia through the power of thought alone. Defeating a single kingdom does not mean defeating India. Some of the more known Indian empires fielded the strongest armies to ever march this Earth. Even Alexander had difficulty defeating Porus, who ruled only the western area of the subcontinent. Imagine the combined forces of all of India, like they were under Chandragupta Maurya.
Yeah. But he fought one tribe at a time ..And his army consisted of all those lands he had conquered ..And he had experience that was unparelleled by anyone else in the world. Yet, Porus gave him a good fight. When Porus was Chained and brought before him, he asked Porus, "How shall I treat you?" and he answered "As befits a King". The Indians relied heavily on War Elephants and for Porus it was the first war of its kind.
he fought them one at a time because that was their entity in that period. if you conquer England NOW, they cant say "oh well you didnt conquer Hong Kong, India, Australia, etc" so...feel lucky you didnt face them all at once. they arent part of britain in this period.
anyway, i thought it was Alexander who was the one who had to cross that mountain range in winter where he lost a lot of his army before even getting to india.
Your example is not related to the contex in any manner. The Indian Kingdoms were not colonies of Porus and were not spread across the world. If Porus had allied with other kingdoms then Alexanders defeat was certain. It was all about politics. Later Porus joined Alexander in his conquest to conquer other kingdoms. Greek Historians have recorded that Indian Kingdoms of the time fielded the most powerful armies and had the most splendid cities. Too bad what India has become today.
that is even worse. because England can have the claim of past colonies.
there is no "if" or "imagine". fact is Alexander turned back because his own men were tired (and with good reason, they had to cross the Caucus Mountain Range in WINTER)
@studboy66 King of Aryavrata, King of Persia, King of Anshan, King of Media, King of Babylon, King of Sumer and Akkad, King of the four corners of the World-before Alexander there was CYRUS THE GREAT.OSU!
I doubt he is a buddhist... a buddhist knows that the BUDDHISTS MONKS FROM india brought yoga AND the martial arts from India. A buddhist knows that all the martial arts of China/Japan has been developped in Chan/Zen monasteries
Its consideration of human goals (dharma or duty, artha or purpose, kāma, pleasure or desire and moksha or liberation) is part of a long-standing tradition which seeks to explain the relationship of the individual to society and the world (the nature of the 'Self') and the workings of karma.
WAY TO GO CLOWN. doesnt support your wet dreams even remotely.
so not only did the FIRST 2 shaolin monks already know kung fu, not only was there chinese MA BEFORE kalari.
but last but not least, the myth that bodidharma had a scroll that taught kung fu was a myth. was actually written by a Daoist priest Zining of Mt. Tiantai.
Martial Arts Historians Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi have now discredited the bodidharma myth as well. END.
Henning, Stanley (1999b). "Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff". Journal of the Chenstyle Taijiquan Research Association of Hawaii 5 (1).
they discovered shaolin weapons in the monestaries of Chang An. suggesting the chinese monks ALREADY practice martial arts.
According to the Continued Biographies of Eminent Monks (AD 645) by Dàoxuān, the Shaolin Monastery was built on the north side of Shaoshi, the western peak of Mount Song, one of the four Sacred Mountains of China, by Emperor Xiaowen of the Northern Wei Dynasty in AD 477
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE
kung fu existed FAR before that. Jiao Li was one. the ancestor of Shuai Jiao, Jiu Jutsu, Judo, etc. was taught 3,000 years ago to Zhou dynasty soldiers. end part 2...
Your mother is here with me now... :D She laughs at you... she say that you are a little pussy like your father... oh, I must leave now... your mother will show me the ANALS of Kung-fu (cius) :D :D :D
Kung Fu did NOT come from India. Boddhidharma only taught zen techniques like breathing first of all. second, the first shaolin monks were already masters in kung fu. third, bodidharma was suppose to be a master of Kalari....end part 1
No, because Bodhidharma (in chinese Tamo, in japanese Daruma) came from Tamil Nadu near to Madras, not from Kerala... He practiced probably silambam and other martial arts of Tamil Nadu, not Kalari, anyway he bring indian martial arts to China, not only Yoga
kalari the word in Sangam was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen.
2 Kalarippayattu experts. Phillip Zarilli, a practitioner and one of the few western scholars on KP and Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai an Indian historian from Kerala. both are recognized authorities on KP. they date the martial art at 11 and 12 century, not the term/tradition.
Kalaripayattu has ALWAYS BEEN a martial art... your "experts" don't know a shit!!! Kalaripayattu has been founded by sage Agastya many Centuries before Christ.
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen doesnt know shit?
hillip Zarrilli is a British practitioner of the Indian martial arts of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes: paradigms and practices of power in kalarippayattu" published by Oxford University Press (1998/2000).
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai (8 November 19044 March 1973) was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
You can also see that Capoeira is a watered down form of Kalaripayattu.
loveunderlaw 17 hours ago
this martial arts belong to whole of south india
girindia06 1 month ago
very impressive! the father of all martial arts.
uvaltito 1 month ago
6:02 boss mode: engage
mydarkesthour1000 2 months ago
I heard that jujitsu might of had great influence by Indian martial arts. If so which art influenced it and why didn't japan recognized their origin?
GabrielSerrano505 2 months ago
@GabrielSerrano505 pride
alcuriel 1 month ago
Am I the only one who found out about this martial art because of Zafina from Tekken 6?
SDub817 5 months ago 2
@SDub817 Pretty much, yeah. If you look at the comments below you'll see that a lot are from people with martial arts background.
GaolisVideoLog 4 months ago
Pure Facts that destroy delusional dreamers:
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
angryaznman 6 months ago
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practied martial arts.
angryaznman 6 months ago
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
angryaznman 6 months ago
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
angryaznman 6 months ago
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
angryaznman 6 months ago
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 6 months ago
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
The End, dreams over.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman Good arguement, but...delivered rather arrogantly. Either way, I concede. *claps*
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@angryaznman i believe the kalari payat was introduced and integrated into shaolin as well. Alot of indian influences can be found in china, buddhism is one of them.
ayamkambingliao 3 months ago
@ayamkambingliao your belief is irrelevant. historians already discredit that myth.
even basic wiki has caught on.
wiki shaolin kung fu - History
wiki shaolin monestery - patron saint - at the bottom it talks about the indian monk, and what martial arts historians think of him bringing kung fu to China
wiki Bodhidharma - Bodhidharma at Shaolin
angryaznman 3 months ago
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
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Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@ayamkambingliao nope. buddhism was not accepted until it merged with taoism. course buddhism is from nepal. gandhara was china's buddhist link, and its pakistan.
angryaznman 3 months ago
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choorakkodykalari 6 months ago
@mohnigirl. Flexibility can certainly contribute to power and greater range of movement, I never implied it didn't. I have been doing yoga for 20 years. However, it takes more than flexibility to generate power. In kungfu we practice as fast speeds and have control so we don't hurt each other. Shaolin did more than modify it. They took something basic and turned into a complexed system. Even Shaolin involved into more effective systems like Hung Gar, Wing Chun etc.
sifumantis7777 6 months ago
wow.. their weapons are very unique..
EasternWinchester 7 months ago
if india has kalari, why did everyone beat their ass for a thousand years?
chillipeanuts 7 months ago
vishalmaha, all can become commercialized, even martial arts and the spiritual path. it just depends on the motivation of the person that makes it so. The essence is never lost, only hidden for those who hope to gain wealth and status. Kalari is one of india's many hidden treasures, and like yoga, could be modified. Friendliness and humility should always be part of a teacher representing such oceans of wisdom. clear water only mixes with clear water
onephurba 8 months ago
i wish i could learn it!!!
harman767 8 months ago
wtf ! Forget the message !
drek507 9 months ago
For the lower conversations I briefly read below. Martial arts did go from India to China, but as you can see it was more yoga than a fighting system. Shaolin is who turned into a complex and effective system. From Shaolin it spread to the rest of the world. Shaolin still really is the birth place because they are the ones who invented multiple styles and effective techniques and what we know as martial arts today, but they did get a little foundation from India as well as Buddhism. Check your
sifumantis7777 9 months ago
@sifumantis7777 yup people often do yoga with live steel. I fail to see how this is not an effective system. Oh I get it, you think because they have flexibility it must not have power. Beginners focus on increasing flexibility, once you have the flexibility down you focus on moving with power. They are practicing with slow speed as not to hurt each other. Birthplace of something is where it actually came into existance, modifying something does not mean you invented it.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@sifumantis7777 no it did. Chinese martial arts predate kalari by a very long period. but ill let a kalari expert tell you that.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 6 months ago
this form is impressive I'm wondering why it took so long for me to study up on Indian martial arts now
CharmOfTheFox 1 year ago
This is so beautiful. I hope it does not lose the deep spiritual element and become commericialised like the way the west is doing with other martial arts and yoga. It is perfect, a complete way of life as it is.
vishalmaha 1 year ago
this is a killer I did some in Trivandrum and pulled my groin so badly.
ragyfish 1 year ago
DJ Mon, no; iaido uses a live blade. Motions are just done slowly.
Also, the sword attacks these guys make are huge and their footwork tends to assume that their opponent isn't going to take a swipe at their leg.
I've never observed this art in combat against a realistic scenario, but it really seems that all the movements around the head seem to leave a person open... My sparring partners would kick the ever-lovin' stuffings out of me if I ever gave them these kinds of openings...
DrTranofEvil 1 year ago
OMG this is so cool! :'] I wish they brought this in the united states so people can learn about the different style look like a great way to get fit and flexable!
wtfelmo1 1 year ago
also whats really funny is that you keep coming here to reply but when I reply you claim I have nothing better to deal in real life, lol look up the work "hypocritical". how dumb do you have to be to insult someone for doing something and then do the same thing yourself?
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
also you're so bright you just posted it's dumb to talk to you, you what I agree, it IS really really stupid to acknowledge a idiot like you,my mistake. thanks for pointing out that idiots like you should be ignored.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
2:23 WTF man! FUCK
RealXIII 1 year ago
So Okinawan Karate (the original one) originates from this too? really? interesting... I practce in Karate my self and never been told this xD
HimeOkuri 1 year ago
@HimeOkuri Karate didn't came from kalaripayattu.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky it did. kung fu came from kalaripayattu and karate came from kung fu.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine It didn't. Karate does have a link with Chinese martial arts. The two don't have a link with kalaripayattu because Chinese martial arts are much older than the Indian martial art.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky .Karate began as a common fighting system known as te (Okinawan: ti) among the Pechin class of the Ryukyuans. After trade relationships were established with the Ming dynasty of China by King Satto Chinese martial arts were introduced to the Ryukyu Islands by visitors from China, A large group of Chinese families moved to Okinawa around 1392 for the purpose of cultural exchange, where they shared their knowledge of a wide variety o Chinese martial arts.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine If you had reread my respond, I posted karate and Chinese martial arts DOES HAVE a link together while both arts weren't influence by kalaripayattu.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky weren't influenced by kalaripayattu? I was at song shan from 1998-2000 and the monks there themselves said that the earliest forms of martial art's were brought to China from India, also think about the fact that the 107 marmam point's of kalaripayattu correspond EXACTLY to the the pressure points taught in Chinese martial art's also keep in mind that kalaripayattu is older than the earliest forms of CMA
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine You suspect someone like me to believe kalaripayattu to be older than most Chinese martial arts? Laughable because the Chinese already had a wrestling style called shuai jiao which is a few thousand years older than the Indian martial art. Besides, the Shaolin monks already knew martial arts hundreds of years before Bodhidharma came to the temple.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky suspect someone like you to believe? listen bro, you aren't that important, I personally couldn't care less about what you believe, but I think if you're talking about what the shaolin monks knew, the best source of information are they themselves, in the two years I was there i was always told that chinese ma came from india, you can believe what you want, it's not going to affect me at all.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine Yeah, believe in what the Yi Jin Jing says just like how you want others to believe Chinese martial arts came from India. Nice try in making us believe you went to China and claim the monks told you that their styles were based on the Indian martial art.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky want other's to believe? you misunderstand dear friend, I don't give a shit. and secondly who the hell is us? Ive been talking to only you here so far, so unless you have multiple personality disorder there is "us" third I'm going back in november so can come over there yourself and meet me in person, perhaps we could even spar a bit.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine Talk all you want about your claim that kalaripayattu helped developed Chinese martial arts. I don't care what you have to say since those claims are just full of it.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky if you'd actually take the time to read before replying (trust me, it's useful) you'd notice that it wasn't about kalaripayattu so unless there are echoes in your head from the message I posted yesterday, you don't know what you're talking bout, secondly I see you've chosen to ignore my offer of a friendly spar, or maybe you just hit reply with reading?
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine Stop wasting your time with me since I don't want to know your laughable claims. Besides, I have things to do in life than arguing with someone who believes in a link between kalaripayattu and Chinese martial arts.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky dude, the "laughable claim" you're going on and on about was mentioned 4 days ago there have been almost 8 comment's after that, I see you still have those echoes stuck in your head, second yeah I agree, I am wasting my time with you since you don't seem to have a brain,also it's rather strange that you claim to have better things to do but still come back here just to tell me that, seriously I don't give a shit, also I see you're STILL ignoring my offer of a friendly spar. nice
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine Why don't you take your claims and shove it up your ass. You're the one with voices on your head, or better yet, without a brain since you keep on replying to me. Fucking get a life.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky ah, profanity, the last resort of those who lack a brain, I've already explained to you that the claim you keep crying about was mentioned 4 DAYS AGO, and not once after that, all THROUGH THE PAST 4 DAYS YOU HAVE CONTINUED POSTING AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME I MADE IT CLEAR ON THE FIRST DAY, that thats ok with me, yet since you have echoes in your empty head you have CONTINUED TELLING ME YOU DON"T BELIEVE FOR 4 DAYS AFTER I TOLD YOU I DON"T CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. UNDERSTAND?
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine No, you're the one with echoes on your head since you can't stop replying to me. Like I said, get a life since you're probably have nothing to do in real life.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine Dude, I don't have to believe on your claims all right, and get a life.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky dude are you truly dumb or something? today is the fifth fucking day, EVERY TIME YOU TELL ME YOU DON"T BELIEVE ME AND EVERY TIME I TELL YOU I DONT FUCKING CARE. seriously, I just posted 8 hours ago that you've been repeating yourself and I don't give a fuck what you believe, yet again you're telling me about what you think is true and what isn't? for the 100th time, don't believe me I don't give a shit, how many times does this have to be said to you before you understand? jeez.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine Jesus, if I find me a annoying, stop replying to me.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky ""if i find me a annoying"" which fucking language are you talking in? you're the one who replied. I'm just answering you. stop commenting if you want me to stop.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine No, you should stop since I never wanted this conversation.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky so you come back here and specifically comment even after I told you to stop if you wanted me to stop? how incredibly intelligent. your mom must be so proud of you.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine You're the one to start this nonsense, not me.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
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@6arcsn1sky you're the one who keeps replying. just the way you did now. smart..really smart.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
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@RhadeConstantine Man, you don't know when to stop replying to me. Get a life will you.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
I'd like to try this martial art. But I'm not going to train in that underwear! I'll just stick with sweat pants! LOL!
gungnir2357 1 year ago
I'd like to see a demo of Kerala Payattu vs Sikh Gatka, just to see how the styles contrast (I'm not an Indian, I'm no particular faction here).
It should be interesting, like Karate vs. Drunken Fist, or kendo vs Filipino stick-fighting.
rozniy 1 year ago
Buddy I don't want your support at all because what you just stated has shown me that you are just as ignorant as flancka. Homosexuality can't be compared to a disease in any way. I have a few gay friends and none of them are psychologically unstable. You need to get rid of those poisoned beliefs because no matter what one's sexual orientation may be, it doesn't make him or her more or less of a human. We are all equal in God's eyes my friend.
DJMon101 2 years ago
flancka are u a son of bitch u mother fucker teri maaa ki chut mein gadhe ka lund sister fucker gay bhosadi ke
drpremprakashdr 2 years ago
the steel used in kalaripayattu weapons is the strongest steel in the world!its called wootz steel.
it is far superior to what a katana is made up off.
neways i love the katana just as much for its sharpness and beauty.
anirudhkrishnamani 2 years ago
hahaha too funny.Your stance that their are ALMOST no gays in India refutes the tourist claims that India is a popular tourist haven for homosexual men..Your Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil of Gugarat state is one of your poster boys of India's VIBRANT gay community and just because you like to close your eyes and pretend Gay is not happening doesn't make it go away.
flancka 2 years ago
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This is gay.What is with the guru massaging his nude students? Seems like a homosexual male porn video. Freedy Mercury was a western homosexual rock star who often travelled to Kerela to study your martial arts and to hang out with the indian gay community. hahaha. This is totally impractical and this shit would not work against a trained fighter.
flancka 2 years ago
Ok buddy, first of all, you can't logically say that it's an impractical style because all oriental martial arts originated from kalaripayattu. Second of all, if this is so gay why did you take 15 minutes out of your day to watch both videos and comment on both of them? Maybe you're hiding something, maybe you enjoy watching men give nude massages to other men. Third of all you, you must be of fairly low intelligence seeing that you can't even spell the name Freddy correctly.
DJMon101 2 years ago 5
i can say it and i will repeat it, this shit will not work. It is good for tourists or dancers or cultural heritage lovers. I watched both videos expecting to see some real sparring with practical kicks and real use of fists and weapons. It did not happen .Maybe shielded away with your gay guru and freddy Mercury memories you choose not to live in todays world.
flancka 2 years ago
Speaking of sparring and usage of weapons, did you know that kalaripayattu is the only martial art in which real blades are used during sparring and practice. Buddy any martial art that you practice originated from kalaripayattu. Yet again with the gay comments, they say that people who frequently refer to things as gay often have something to hide, so if anything, its you who likes taking it in the tail pipe bro. Please tell me where you heard that Mercury went to India to learn kalaripayattu.
DJMon101 2 years ago 11
@DJMon101
I LEARN THIS ART!
this is the best martial art i've ever learnt!
i tried karate and tkd but none of them were so effective as kalari!
anirudhkrishnamani 2 years ago
@anirudhkrishnamani Did you go to a school in USA or was it India? Or where was it? I'd like to try it. I'd especially like to try that metal whip sword or whatever it is.
gungnir2357 1 year ago
@DJMon101 If I were you, I don't say "any martial arts" because martial arts isn't limited to the East Asian styles. Instead, a country and culture had develop thier own martial art.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago 2
@DJMon101 capoeira is a diferent artial art american 100%
tatusporn 1 year ago
@DJMon101 Most people believe the grappling styles originated in Europe, but this is the father of striking styles in asia.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo HAHAHAHAHA dont be retarded. this is a useless indian dance. nothing to do with real asian martial arts.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman I've seen it used effectively, and it is the father of kung fu. Shaolin legend says that the Dharmma brought kung fu from india. This is what he brought. It was outlawed by the english because it was effective enough that if a rebellion happened they would have trouble with it. The weapon styles are nice too.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo no it doesnt. if you did even a little research you would know its all bs. what legend is it? tell me the source of this claim? i dare you.
im telling you right now my 7 point piece already debunks w/e you can think of, but ill do it again specifically to you if you like.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman What is wushu except a useless chinese dance? It takes years to even learn how those moves relate to combat. They spar with an actual sword and shield in Kalaripayattu. It's true it's not as useful as other arts, but that's because those arts were constantly refined because of canstant use and warfare. That doesn't make it useless, though.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
keep dreaming.
angryaznman 6 months ago
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TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@angryaznman You have earned my respect. You argued with facts, not with insults.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@flancka
tsss... what are you saying?!
I bet you never did this before lmao
and shut the f*ck up with your gaytalkin'!
and Freddie Mercury was a great singer btw
You can also spar at kalaripayattu and if you can't see it, then you're really blind.... (and I wouldn't even say a word about weapons , I mean duh -_-' what do you see the whole time??)
If you don't like it, then shut up would you? cuz many ppl enjoy this and it's the real martial art
:D
DarkDragon00987 1 year ago
Buddy you posted the same comment twice. You can't even provide a reasonable argument for your statement. Try to improve your debating skills before you voice an idiotic opinion. When you actually beat a kalaripayattu master and stop gettin analy probed by other men, then come and post some comments.
DJMon101 2 years ago
@DJMon101
ignore that swine for he can't respect the mother of all martial arts.
go KALARI!
anirudhkrishnamani 2 years ago
@anirudhkrishnamani How is it the mother of all martial arts?
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky
cuz kungfu came from kalaipayattu and karate came from kung fu and tkd came from karate..
so its the mother of all martial arts..
fine.. its the mother of all "asian" martial arts.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani Hate to tell the truth, but none of the Chinese martial don't have a link with kalaripayattu since the Indian craft was around 10th BCE.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky
hahahaha
dude!
every1 knows that kung fu came from kalaripayattu.
it was brought to china by bodhidharma to the shaolin monks..
and btw the rest of the kung fu arts not related to kalari was brought by the persians..
so i'm sorry to say that all "Chinese" martial arts are inspired by other fighting arts.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani That laughable story of Bodhidharma teaching Shaolin monks martial arts? Too most Chinese scholars and martial artists, they agreed that Bohidharma had nothing to do with Shaolin since it already had monks that were martial artist and the temple was around two centuries before Bodhidharma came to China.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani You're an idiot-- China was practically isolated; almost as much as Japan for much of the time in which these martial arts were originated. Also, Kung Fu originated centuries before Kalaripayattu. It wasn't recorded at least until 1100 ACE; and the Chinese martial art was produced at developed around the sixth century ACE-- Even a thousand years before, Confucius suggested that the Chinese develop a style of physical arts as well as literary arts.
eequalsmcvajeen12 1 year ago
@eequalsmcvajeen12
your the idiot my friend india has a much more acient civilization than china and a much more ancient martial art.
u ppl don't have any gratitude towards us for teaching your ancestors how to fight..
btw even in the shaolin temple(i visited my-self) there's a slab about boddhirdharma coming from india and teaching the shaolin monks how to fight.
i don't want to waste my time on you so please leave me alone.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani China and India are countries, not civilizations, actually; so, neither of them have any particular civilization. I'm not talking about 'us' for a side; for I'm not Indian or Chinese-- I'm just simply saying that you're wrong, the Chinese martial arts came long before the Indian martial arts.
eequalsmcvajeen12 1 year ago
@eequalsmcvajeen12
indian martial arts came way... before chinese styles.. btw kalaripayattu is not the only indian martial u know?
so ur wrong.. indian martial are way more ancient than kung fu.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani
btw my martial arts teacher(who does kalaripayattu) was invited to the shaolin temple and they themseleves admitted that our(indian styles) are much more ancient and they were very thankful for boddhidharma(monk from kanchipuram,India who is know as bogar here) for teaching the chinese how to fight.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani Umm; yes; I do know that, actually. And, I'm sorry, but it just wasn't. I don't know what world you're living in; but there's just no way; no one says that it is and everyone knows that Chinese martial arts came first except for you.
eequalsmcvajeen12 1 year ago
there is no point in arguing with a dumb twit like you.. who hasn't got anything to backup his argument.
look up the name bodhidharma.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani Are you retarded? I've been doing it the past few messages to no avail. But, I can't talk to a fool that won't listen...Are you implying that there has always been a direct correlation between martial arts and Zen? 'Cause that would be stupid.
eequalsmcvajeen12 1 year ago
@eequalsmcvajeen12
wtf are you stupid what does zen have to do with kalripayattu?
ur a complete idiot..
whatever u say indian martial arts are the most ancient.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani It doesn't-- That was my whole point in the first place-- Chinese Martial Arts didn't derive from Indian Martial Arts-- As I said before; the ideal of Kalripayattu was developed centuries after Chinese martial arts made their 'debut'. Plain and simple.
eequalsmcvajeen12 1 year ago
@DJMon101 Dont bother with flancka, he's probably been beaten up so many times that he vents his frustration against Indians for his satisfaction
muski27 2 years ago
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guys, let's all give angryaznman a break, he's obviously angry, no doubt because his own shitty karma gave him a yellow nigger's body and a little dick.
lmao
bhibatsu 2 years ago 7
@bhibatsu
there is another idiot here called eequalsmcvajeen12 i think he's angryazman's ass licker.
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
@anirudhkrishnamani Yes, yes-- I've been through this a million times-- People like you get tired of saying the same things to no avail, so you just say inept things like you just did. Good job, Socrates.
eequalsmcvajeen12 1 year ago
@bhibatsu LOL my neighbor calls them sand niggers!
dss103 1 year ago
@bhibatsu ...really?
AmphibianStudios 10 months ago
Wow, this chinky is incredibly ignorant, but we have to understand him, the poor bastard received the shitty education of a maoist country!!! :D Surely he ignores that even the main principles of taoism originated from hinduism, like the concepts of yang/yin << linga/yoni!!! India is the mother of the whole asian culture/civilisation, every cultivated person knows that
SatPurusha 2 years ago
everybody knows azn men (that means chinese) have the smallest little p'l'icks.
lmao!
bhibatsu 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@bhibatsu
Condoms 'too big' for Indian men
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
BBC NEWS.
truth hurts
angryaznman 2 years ago
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen
Phillip Zarrilli practitioner of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. One of the notable Western authorities on the subject of Indian martial arts. Zarrilli authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes:"
they dont know shit LOLOLOLOL
angryaznman 2 years ago
@angryaznman
Did you have human feutus for break fast ?
studboy66 2 years ago
@studboy66
i had wishful indian clowns for breakfast. right here on this page :)
as usual, every vid you clowns get pwned. im starting to feel its not worth my time.
angryaznman 2 years ago
Copy pasting the same crap over and over give's you a feeling of "pwning" somebody ? Or is it the human feutuses, cats, dogs, horses & what not you eat that help in developing your incredible ability of self deception ? Remember where the Kama Sutra came from ? We can fuck you in more ways than you can imagine. Ask your ancestors.
studboy66 2 years ago
@studboy66
this "same crap" is actual historical references and historians.
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai
Dick Luijendijk
Phillip Zarrilli
truth hurts.
actually Indians were pwned by Chinese not just in 1962, but during Kushun Empire.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@studboy66
Kushun empire
In recognition for their support to the Chinese, the Kushans requested, but were denied, a Han princess, even after they had sent presents to
the Chinese court. In retaliation, they marched on Ban Chao in 86 with a force of 70,000, but, exhausted by the expedition, were finally defeated
by the smaller Chinese force. The Yuezhi retreated and paid tribute to the Chinese Empire during the reign of the Chinese emperor Han He (89106).
angryaznman 2 years ago
@angryaznman
Why do you hate India so much, and what possible cynical pleasure do you get out of this ?
What happened in History does not matter today. The size of the sexual organ does not matter. India's population is proof of that.
In 1962, what China did was shocking. Those defending on the Indian side were very poorly equipped and outnumbered at least 1:8
Still, defeat is a defeat.
For thousands of years both India and China have been superpowers.
studboy66 2 years ago 2
India conquered most of Asia through the power of thought alone. Defeating a single kingdom does not mean defeating India. Some of the more known Indian empires fielded the strongest armies to ever march this Earth. Even Alexander had difficulty defeating Porus, who ruled only the western area of the subcontinent. Imagine the combined forces of all of India, like they were under Chandragupta Maurya.
studboy66 2 years ago
@studboy66
you REALLY need to read the section
Invasion of the Indian subcontinent
under Alexanders wiki page....
even going BACK he was conquering indian tribes
angryaznman 2 years ago
@angryaznman
Yeah. But he fought one tribe at a time ..And his army consisted of all those lands he had conquered ..And he had experience that was unparelleled by anyone else in the world. Yet, Porus gave him a good fight. When Porus was Chained and brought before him, he asked Porus, "How shall I treat you?" and he answered "As befits a King". The Indians relied heavily on War Elephants and for Porus it was the first war of its kind.
studboy66 2 years ago
@studboy66
he fought them one at a time because that was their entity in that period. if you conquer England NOW, they cant say "oh well you didnt conquer Hong Kong, India, Australia, etc" so...feel lucky you didnt face them all at once. they arent part of britain in this period.
anyway, i thought it was Alexander who was the one who had to cross that mountain range in winter where he lost a lot of his army before even getting to india.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@angryaznman
Your example is not related to the contex in any manner. The Indian Kingdoms were not colonies of Porus and were not spread across the world. If Porus had allied with other kingdoms then Alexanders defeat was certain. It was all about politics. Later Porus joined Alexander in his conquest to conquer other kingdoms. Greek Historians have recorded that Indian Kingdoms of the time fielded the most powerful armies and had the most splendid cities. Too bad what India has become today.
studboy66 2 years ago
@studboy66
that is even worse. because England can have the claim of past colonies.
there is no "if" or "imagine". fact is Alexander turned back because his own men were tired (and with good reason, they had to cross the Caucus Mountain Range in WINTER)
wasnt cause he was defeated in battle.
angryaznman 2 years ago
England can claim past colonies ? :D
Alexander was legendary ..And Porus gave him a good fight. Everyone knows this and nobody cares what you think !
studboy66 2 years ago
@studboy66 King of Aryavrata, King of Persia, King of Anshan, King of Media, King of Babylon, King of Sumer and Akkad, King of the four corners of the World-before Alexander there was CYRUS THE GREAT.OSU!
Genmasta 1 year ago
Obviously, Alexander knew how lethal the Hindu Khush will be.. and he was prepared to pay the price.
btw, where are you from ? You speak better English than most Chinese I've come across. Are you a Buddhist ?
studboy66 2 years ago
I doubt he is a buddhist... a buddhist knows that the BUDDHISTS MONKS FROM india brought yoga AND the martial arts from India. A buddhist knows that all the martial arts of China/Japan has been developped in Chan/Zen monasteries
SatPurusha 2 years ago
He's a commy.That's self explainatory.
studboy66 2 years ago
no sources, no historians, no recognized authorities, no references, no historical documents.
why do i bother with these clowns. so delusional LOL.
angryaznman 2 years ago
I am still waiting the quote :D
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
im still waiting for a single source you clown. truth hurts.
angryaznman 2 years ago
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Mahabharata is a long POEM hahaha.
Its consideration of human goals (dharma or duty, artha or purpose, kāma, pleasure or desire and moksha or liberation) is part of a long-standing tradition which seeks to explain the relationship of the individual to society and the world (the nature of the 'Self') and the workings of karma.
WAY TO GO CLOWN. doesnt support your wet dreams even remotely.
this is TOO easy.
angryaznman 2 years ago
:D :D :D :D :D :D
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
you lose slumdog
angryaznman 2 years ago
I am waiting for the quote of the Anals (sorry Annals) of Confucius
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
part 3
so not only did the FIRST 2 shaolin monks already know kung fu, not only was there chinese MA BEFORE kalari.
but last but not least, the myth that bodidharma had a scroll that taught kung fu was a myth. was actually written by a Daoist priest Zining of Mt. Tiantai.
Martial Arts Historians Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi have now discredited the bodidharma myth as well. END.
angryaznman 2 years ago
I think Shaolin Temple knows better... ask them who founded Shaolin Temple... ;)
SatPurusha 2 years ago
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@SatPurusha
Henning, Stanley (1999b). "Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff". Journal of the Chenstyle Taijiquan Research Association of Hawaii 5 (1).
they discovered shaolin weapons in the monestaries of Chang An. suggesting the chinese monks ALREADY practice martial arts.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
According to the Continued Biographies of Eminent Monks (AD 645) by Dàoxuān, the Shaolin Monastery was built on the north side of Shaoshi, the western peak of Mount Song, one of the four Sacred Mountains of China, by Emperor Xiaowen of the Northern Wei Dynasty in AD 477
angryaznman 2 years ago
be careful, because if you chat too much your boss will throw you out of the factory :D HAHAHAH
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
part 2.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE
kung fu existed FAR before that. Jiao Li was one. the ancestor of Shuai Jiao, Jiu Jutsu, Judo, etc. was taught 3,000 years ago to Zhou dynasty soldiers. end part 2...
angryaznman 2 years ago
don't repeat always the same shit like a parrot... you like spam indian videos, don't you... you have invidia penis, don't you... :D
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
nope
Condoms 'too big' for Indian men
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
BBC NEWS.
angryaznman 2 years ago
all the world know that the chinese have the smallest dick in the world, the most of chinese have not bigger than a 8-10 cm (in erection!!! :D :D :D)
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
i have BBC news. you have?
just like other indians, all you can do is whine and make things up.
you still havent given ONE source. not ONCE.
and NO, that LONG poem that doesnt mention ANYTHING to do with this topic isnt a source.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
you probably know since your mom and sister suck dicks for a living...
angryaznman 2 years ago
Your mother is here with me now... :D She laughs at you... she say that you are a little pussy like your father... oh, I must leave now... your mother will show me the ANALS of Kung-fu (cius) :D :D :D
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
Condoms 'too big' for Indian men
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
BBC NEWS.
:( truth hurts doesnt it
angryaznman 2 years ago
HAHAHAA.... and now get lost
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
Kung Fu did NOT come from India. Boddhidharma only taught zen techniques like breathing first of all. second, the first shaolin monks were already masters in kung fu. third, bodidharma was suppose to be a master of Kalari....end part 1
angryaznman 2 years ago
No, because Bodhidharma (in chinese Tamo, in japanese Daruma) came from Tamil Nadu near to Madras, not from Kerala... He practiced probably silambam and other martial arts of Tamil Nadu, not Kalari, anyway he bring indian martial arts to China, not only Yoga
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
Silambam IS from Kerala LOL you idiot. that is a stick martial art. Bodhidharama was NEVER recorded to use a bamboo stick.
actually you still havent given a single source of anything. so what am i talking about.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
kalari isnt a martial art retard.
kalari the word in Sangam was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen.
2 Kalarippayattu experts. Phillip Zarilli, a practitioner and one of the few western scholars on KP and Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai an Indian historian from Kerala. both are recognized authorities on KP. they date the martial art at 11 and 12 century, not the term/tradition.
angryaznman 2 years ago
Kalaripayattu has ALWAYS BEEN a martial art... your "experts" don't know a shit!!! Kalaripayattu has been founded by sage Agastya many Centuries before Christ.
SatPurusha 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen doesnt know shit?
hillip Zarrilli is a British practitioner of the Indian martial arts of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes: paradigms and practices of power in kalarippayattu" published by Oxford University Press (1998/2000).
angryaznman 2 years ago
@SatPurusha
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai (8 November 19044 March 1973) was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
doesnt know shit.
OK THERE. but YOU know. right.
angryaznman 2 years ago
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SatPurusha 2 years ago