I don't agree with the beliefs of Islam but agree that a parent should be able to bring up there own children in there faith that child can of course turn away when older as many do.
I am muslim and I think we need no religion at schools. We have religion classes at home,at mosque. If we have religion at school it prejudice others beliefs.
he just called it indoctrination am i the only one who heard that, he called it indoctrination problem solved religion is indoctrinating children to believe a particular belief system. FUCK, U OWNED YOURSELF.
7:24 Mudakin suddenly wants to change the topic knowing very well they teach apostasy is punishable by death.
This is not only indoctrination, but brainwash and mind control to scare children shitless if they don't believe what they're told. How on earth can children grow up to choose for themselves when they are being brainwashed to think one way on faith before they are capable of thinking for themselves.
I wan't to see children being taught how to think instead of what to think.
6:24 Muslim snake Mudakin: "We have the right to bring up our children in accordance with our beliefs which have served us all the centuries well."
Dawkins: "What about the rights of children themselves?"
Mudakin: "Well the rights of the children come when they are old enough to understand the issues." ... "When you talk about faith you don't look about what faith teaches..."
7:24 Dawkins: "What do you teach the children will happen to them if they give up the muslim faith?"
"What is the penalty for apostasy?" you can see the other guy trying to weasel away because he knows just how barbaric it is to tell little children they will be killed for their disobedience.
Answer the question! He didnt ask whether going to catholic "school" has developed your faith, he asked whether it has helped or hindered your integration and contact with OTHER people.
For fuck sake, religious people simply refuse to actually answer any questions.
@ImGladImBrad Exactly, but I believe they are in the U.K. in this debate, and I believe that the U.K. was founded on religion. But yes, the U.S. was founded on good morals, and by atheists or deists (God who just created the universe and sat back and watched).
I believe that there should never be the one religion enforced as compulsory learning at school, unless that school is based around that religion i.e catholic schools. Countries such as the U.S.A, Australia, Canada, England etc. have stated in their consitutions that the government cannot be prejudice or prohibit the beliefs or worship of its people, so why would we teach the one religion(most commonly christianity) when it is not the unanimous religion. Other cultures need to be considered
Wtf is that Mukadam on about?? That faith teaches you to think of yourself as a human being?? I emphatically disagree. Faith teaches you that you are special and better than others because of your religion. Science teaches you that you are a human being!! That we all bleed the same blood. Science shows us how similar we are where religion and faith divide us by creating perceptions that we are different. Ridiculous argument.
@ClythiaMystica Maybe you should work on your own grammar before you start to criticize that of people far more educated than you. It is absolutely hilarious that you would attempt to make fun of a man's speech with a sentence like this, if it can even be called a sentence. Read your comment again, and then tell me which one of you sounds like the retarded monkey.
My bad, my machine glitched. One must wonder why the Rabbi's examples aligned so well with the stereotypes... And no, I'm not ant-any of the above mentioned religions per se, I'm just pro-reality, and anti-ignorance. Most of theirs is innocent. BEFALLENOFFICIAL's however, is not. Comments like that make rational thinkers appear as ignorant and hateful as such wastes of human life as racists, sexists, and religious extremists. As for my previous joke, f-ck em if they can't take a joke LOL
Re: the Rabbi, about 2:00 on. He wanted his kids to sit next to a Christian (better the goy is a yedid than an oyev?), to play football with a Muslim (what better teammate than one who’s willing to martyr himself to achieve a goal?), to do homework with a Hindu (c'mon, have you ever known a dumb Hindu student?), to walk home with a secularist (cause they leave nothing up to faith and look both ways before crossing the street?) ALL in good fun!!!
Re: the Rabbi, about 2:00 on. He wanted his kids to sit next to a Christian (better the goy is a yedid than an oyev?), to play football with a Muslim (what better teammate than one who’s willing to martyr himself to achieve a goal?), to do homework with a Hindu (c'mon, have you ever known a dumb Hindu student?), to walk home with a secularist (cause they leave nothing up to faith and look both ways before crossing the street?) ALL in good fun!!!
That Muslim Doctor is a moron. You claim to know how your pupils, bullshit. From personal experience you dont know anything. I have muslim friends and when theyre around their Priests (Imam I think theyre called) theyre completely different people. Hes like "oh well I brought the child into the world I should be allowed to do what I want with it"..............oh really what if someone believes its okay to fuck their kids or beat them or marry them what then mister genius is that alright too.
@IGNsucks As a parents we have the right to bring our offspring up with what we believe is right, within the law. However, children are little people. They have rights. When they're old enough to think rationally, they should be free to make their own decisions. My 4 y/o is currently a secularist, but I will no more beat or kill her if she decides to worship Thor than I will ever marry her off. These are her decisions. Mine is only to teach her how to think critically and hope for the best.
This moderator is the worst ever. As soon as someone starts saying anything of value he cuts them off and goes to some jack off in the audience. Totally ruined the interviews, just leave things alone....
I actually find the word atheist offensive. This word suggests i am abnormal because i DON'T believe in God....There have been 100's of religion and by that very fact only goe's to show it's a belief system and nothing more....Is there a label for right,rational thinking people that don't believe in fairy's and goblins?....no of course not, because we KNOW they do not exist, yet millions of wankers believe in something based on blind faith....fuck religion and fuck God...when you die you die..
Most faith schools cost money to go, so yea a lot of the students from them are going to go to college because most likely their parents have the money to send them to school. Obviously this is not true for all family, but in my opinion it is true for most. just saying lol
When are these programmes (or chairman of them) going to make muslims have to answer the questions posed to them instead of protecting them all the time!!!??? We want to hear what defence they have for their medieval beliefs in modern Britain.
Also the Sinead girl at the end dodges the question... also says something so incredibly imbecilic I'm speechless. Going to a Catholic school and being raised around other Catholics gave you your OWN beliefs... stupid cow.
@GeneralGuitFiddle she's a child and talked more sense than you have written here. Dodged what question? If her answer is too scary simply because it's not the same views you have, then you shouldn't be watching these videos or you'll confuse yourself with all the silly beliefs you're clinging on to. She answered, she doesn't feel isolated and going to her school has made her more tolerant of other people. Actually listen to what is being said before you make yourself look stupid on here.
Dr. Mohamad Mukadam is very typical of muslim clerics. Always whining about discrimination, challenging what everyone knows is the truth, which is that islam is a totalitarian ideology and a death cult. No Doctor, you do not have the "right" to raise your children with your maniacal beliefs, to do so is abuse at least and brainwashing at best. Islam is not a culture, it is a cult, and your cult is not welcome in the civilized world.
No, Tofy, what I mean is that there is no such a degree as "Professor of American". Did you mean a professor of English or maybe a professor of American history?
I guess that would depend on what facts you're looking for, Gothimo. I know that living a charitable and giving life provides me with a better life, for a fact, but those qualities didn't necessarily have to come from Christianity, my understanding of them just happened to.
It seems to me that the Bible, and many so called holy documents, the Qur'an as well, consistently contradict themselves. If awesomewelles90\s quote is correct, and the Qur'an also states that all non-muslims go to hell then the text cannot be trusted. Furthermore, if God wrote the text then he would make no mistakes, but because these texts give so many different points of view I would conclude that they had all been written by many different people, with many different views of their faith.
It's not really a matter of contradiction, FF. Scholars call it abrogation. The difference between the Bible and the Qu'ran is that the Bible has different sources of God's message (Abraham, Isaiah, Jesus) contributing to this abrogation that reflects advancement as a species and a civilization whereas Muhammad abrogated his own words, which is strange. For a man claiming to have been given the perfect word of God, wouldn't you think that he would have got the right message right off the cuff?
THE BIBLE and QURAN would have been literature written by the Devil.
It makes sense.. both of these preach IGNORANCE and HATE against other people. And what better way to bring a lack of morals, death, and pain to the world than to make people believe STRONGLY in something that they must be ignorant to science, logic, analysis and reason.
Paul, knowing that his FAITH would CRUMBLE if SUBJECTED to FREE and CRITICAL INQUIRY, tells his followers to AVOID PHILOSOPHY. Colossians 2:8.
Pedophile Muhammad goes one step further. To stop any kind of criticism against HIS beliefs he outright forbade QUESTIONING even the simplest things.
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Quran 5:101-102)
Paul never said for anyone to avoid philosophy, he told them to take care that they not be spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit. He's saying to use your brain in light of new information that may seem novel or flattering.
I love strawman arguments, they're as easy to tear down as a haystack.
The Quran is the ultimate authority, the hadith are to be taken only with reference to the Quran. Also many of the hadith are disputed, i.e they cannot all be trusted 100%.
What is Dawkins on about! There is no prescribed punishment for apostasy in the Quran! If he's referring to the wahabi Saudis then they may have some ghastly law like that but is disingenuous of him to imply that it is a mainstream view.
In Islam only God knows who is going to hell or heaven. What Dawkin's is implying is that there is an earthly punishment that muslims are obliged to deal out to apostates. He wants to say that muslims are obliged to kill apostates. This is a barefaced lie.
No, because it clearly says in the quaran, if your not a muslim, your going to hell, therefore if someone was never converted before they die... they went to hell. No questions.
Richard did not mention the specification of the punishment, infact he said "what Does the muslim faith TEACH will happen to them if they turn away" TEACH implying teaching based upon the quaran not FACT.
I don't remember the bit you're talking about. I do remember this though: "O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).
@awesomewelles90 no thats not a lie. The bible also reflects the notion of death to those who do not believe, who are adulterers, who do not yell loud enough to get help if being raped in the city, who do not listen to their parents...the prescription is death in these documents. Theres no wiggle room for interpretation...You cannot explain away these prescriptions. Because many dont do this doesnt reflect well on the religion, its reflects on human innate nonreligious morality evolving.
The bible also abrogates many, but not all, of these prescribed punishments in the new testaments. Also, any aware Jew and Christian understands that the Bible was a book written by man originally intended for law makers and religious leaders, who had the instruction as to how and when these situations were applicable.
When you don't study the abrogation you end up Westboro Baptist bat shit, Jesus Camp crazy
@thegirl44 Where does the bible selectively abrogate these laws? I like how you qualify your statement by specifying "aware" jews and christians. =P In any case...pragmatically yes the bible was written by humans but as far as these religions go...they are divinely inspired and ARE the word of god. :O The new testament is not, in my opinion, an improvement morally from the old testament. If i were to concede the abrogations, Id still have the new testament atrocities to contend with. :/
I had heard, recently, that there are versions of the King James available with the God parts written in red text. I'd be curious to see what they are. Is it only the actual words that God spoke :)?
Just to clarify, I never claimed that the NT abrogated the OT laws, only the punishments for not obeying them.
And I really think that if certain people need a text to differentiate passages clearly stating, "God SAID", if that is the case with the red print, maybe they shouldn't be reading that book?
There's also a Cole's notes for the King James version of the bible. I'm not shitting you.
@thegirl44 yikes, considering the nature of the OT laws (ie all the people we are expected to kill for various behaviours deemed undesirable like not obeying your parents etc) i would have preferrred an abrogation of the laws themselves as opposed to punishment for not carrying them out (ie NOT killing someone...) Id like people to read the book for the so that they would judge for themselves how utterly immoral etc it is...but lotta people let the bible "do the thinking for them"...sigh
I've never understood how we got so far away from the lessons in the bible in applying them to our, so called, "enlightened" age? For example, punishment for stealing a horse was death by hanging in many parts of North America until the turn of the 20th century. Where the fuck did that idea come from?
The Bronze age was a pretty fucked up time all around, though. Look into the Roman legal system. Equally barbaric.
@thegirl44 I hear ya. I dont doubt it for a minute. What gets me is the people claiming the bible is our moral code, actually pick and choose what to follow based on the innate morality that claim we dont possess.
I think of it this way: Going by the biblical timeline, God left us alone for over 2000 years before He set down any rules. In that time we would have figured out what did and didn't work in a reasonable society. God just confirmed what we'd learned with the commandments. It's not as though we all of a sudden became moral because Moses came down the mountain with those tablets.
@thegirl44 here's my 2 cents on God giving the commandments based on what is already considered moral and just:
If he didnt just say "This is moral and right" but rather reported what was already established as right in the universe...then what was right was external to him. The idea of morality being external to god and not DEFINED by him arbitrarily is very intriguing to me. It suggests to me that morality does not have god as the source...he merely reported the news. =o
Please don't read into my last comment that I buy into the biblical timeline, I had to edit that I don't for length.
For anyone to imply that we don't have instinctive morality is insane. If a child is in harm's way you're going to intervene, even putting yourself at risk of that harm. Perhaps that's why the commandments don't say anything on the subject? It's expected?
I think our 2 cents each are at least up to a cup of coffee's worth. We'll share it 'kay?
@thegirl44 then of course Im an atheist until proven otherwise (heheh) and have reason to accept that morality is innate and served a darwinian purpose. Seems odd that god would not make a command "dont harm children" but made 4 of them based on petty jealousy. Seems very human-contrived to me. Im thinking God didnt make us in his image...its the other way around. buuuuut, thats only my 2 cents...and thats about all its worth on the internet. =P
@CrMoshed Your comment shows just how ignorant you are, like Jonathan Dimebleby said that debate could go a long way it's not that simple. Think of it like this, If anyone asked you is killing wrong, you would say yes. But then if your asked is war wrong, then you think oh wait a minute there's a long debate to be had here. I could do what Dawkins is doing at 7:25 and say, you said killing is wrong and now your backing war when you think it's necessary. Everything isn't that simple.
@B01318182 I said there is a debate to be had about war, and thought most people will think the same because there is so much of it in the world and there doesn't seem to ever be an end to it. I think people with a clear view of 'yes' or 'no' to war are ignorant. A clear 'yes' to war is ignorance for obvious reasons. A clear 'no' to war is ignorance because if your asked for a solution that highly skilled negotiators can't come to, you probably wouldn't have one.
what the young woman that was going to the Catholic school dose not understand it that most teens go through the same thing a her age. Most teens start forming there own morals and begin think for themselves and what is right and wrong, it has nothing to do with if you go to a Catholic or public school.
Why did the host stop Dawkins when he asked about the penalty for apostacy?
Because the answer, that the penalty for anyone who denounces the Muslim faith is death followed by eternal Hell, would prove his point that teaching this rubbish to kids is harmful and abusive.
This would be so much less civil if they had this debate in the US. I'm a little disappointed in how intelligent even the religious supporters are being.
to Michielos23, it it well known in Islam that, if some one does not want to believe in Islam, then he has the freedom to go to whatever he wants, so dont u say penalty is DEAD, It is against Islam. The muslim did not want to answer because he was speaking in another matter, and the other guy interrupted him buy this question, which I wrote you its answer, Please read about Islam before you judge. Peace be with you friend
point being is that when people think of islam, they dont think of the peaceful religeon that it claims to be. People look at it and see: terror, violence, murder, torture, planes crashing in buildings, To say its a peaceful religeon or even to say that religeon is peace is completely ridiculous then. If it's so peaceful, how come people associate it only with violence?
it is even forbidden in Islam to annoy someone even by using harsh words not killing, the only killing that is done in Islam is the penelty of death if someone killed another, or if a muslim is defending his country, thats it, nothing more, and about torture, i have never seen anyone toruter another person in any muslim country,
but believe me mate, if a muslim tortured a person, whatever this person's religion is, or even with no religion, this muslim is NOT considered to be a Muslim, and by the way prophet Mohamed (PBUH) told the Muslims when he was alive, that there will be a time that a lot of people from different countries will
try to destroy Islam, and Muslims. and put in mind my friend that Islam is for all humanity, not like Christianity or Judaism, because these Religions, came for a certain age and certain people, and it is written in the bible and Taorah ( The unmodified ones ) That the final prophet on earth who will come with the Religion that will work with all ages and all humanity, his name is Mohamed (PBUH), anyway back to your comment,
u said that there is murder in Islam, well there are people who kills, but then as i said that people who kills are punished by the penelty of death, its in any country, in fact Murder is mostl found in western countries, there is a channel called Real TV that is full of crimes, But crimes are not usual in Islamic countries. and about the two towers, This is really ridicules for the one who does that, its not Muslims, I mean how would Muslims cross the American borders
with not only one plane but three, look I dont know who did this, i think George bush himself, inorder to find a way to make war and if Bin laden really did this which he cant because i dont think that he got these kinds of planes and ppl. who are nuts enough to practice flying and kill themselves, and any way Muslims hate Ben Laden by the way, he is not following Islam rules anyway, he just hides under the name of the Religion.
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Hey, look, i gave you answers for your misunderstanding about Religion, so dont you disrespect all Religions, because Religion is a gift from God to guide us, other than leaving us like that, he sent you a book asking you to pray and treat people well and learn, thats all, so behave yourself, or is this your normal way in talking!, you should be ashamed, please reconsider reading about Islam, Believe me it is the path to all your confussions.
haha and u believe this nonsense? i do whatever i want and there has NEVER been any proof or even scientific proof for this utter nonsense. If i say i believe in the God Bambi i have to see a shrink. If people say god made the universe it is "considered normal" :D
ok, so starting with a laugh, thats not a respectful wayanyway In Islam you will find the signs of the final day on earth, half of them are almost finished, this is one of the proofs, but what do you mean a shrink?
Sure if you have a faith school which is open to all faiths, where children are free to discuss their views, and where faith is not taken as being necessary to an education... WHY HAVE A FAITH SCHOOL IN THE FIRST PLACE?
faith schools? must be a british thing... where i live it's different. Everyone goes to public schools - it doesn't matter which religion you belong to. And then we have something like sunday school - but that's from the church.
And I think that's the best way... you have both sides...
all religious based schools teach what? DUH! THEIR RELIGION. why ELSE would they have a completely separate school for their religion? sending children to these schools is a brain washing process. when a child is born, it has never heard of God, Mohamed, Jesus, or Thor. These doctrines are TAUGHT to them by their parents. there are NO christian children. if you argue otherwise, this would liken to having "post-modernist" children, or Zoroastrianist children, or libertarian children. ridiculous.
If a gun was held to my head and I had to choose who to follow with the spiritualistic people in that room (not an unrealistic analogy sadly x). I would go with that rabbi in the beginning, thats my kind of religious person. thats the kind we dont see on tv or in youtube ect, because theyre living their lives normally.
and that is my kind of religious leader. and im not even religious x)
fuk u mister host!!! FUK ... i love the debate and i think its one of the more inteligent debates on religion(this is after watching a bunch of people on the atheist experience argue for religion((so maybe not)), but i just cant fuking stand the host interepting each of the speakers when there about to finish making a point. i mean what the fuk!!!
"Children dont know wat they are doing, thats haw they are designed, hence they do God's will and are muslims. "...lol, children are innocently ignorant. I doubt they've done any of "god's" will. But, still I like the Muslim point-of-view about children, if it is true of what you say, than the Christians point-of-view. A child should NEVER get blame for some stupid shit like sin. I hate when Christians say that about a child and Jesus Camp is freaking retarded.
yeah, by will of God i mean that God designed their heart to beat, and so it beats, same as breathing and seeing, eeryones avilities are made different, but as babies, we are as we are, and that is in a submissive state...
I don't agree with the beliefs of Islam but agree that a parent should be able to bring up there own children in there faith that child can of course turn away when older as many do.
lv4ev5 3 weeks ago
That Muslim scumbag was left speechless by Dawkins.
'we'll raise you as Muslim, but if you leave, the punishment is death'
Barbarism.
sparkymmilarky 3 weeks ago
I am muslim and I think we need no religion at schools. We have religion classes at home,at mosque. If we have religion at school it prejudice others beliefs.
MunirahBrito 1 month ago
he just called it indoctrination am i the only one who heard that, he called it indoctrination problem solved religion is indoctrinating children to believe a particular belief system. FUCK, U OWNED YOURSELF.
101LiquidNitrogen 3 months ago
7:24 Mudakin suddenly wants to change the topic knowing very well they teach apostasy is punishable by death.
This is not only indoctrination, but brainwash and mind control to scare children shitless if they don't believe what they're told. How on earth can children grow up to choose for themselves when they are being brainwashed to think one way on faith before they are capable of thinking for themselves.
I wan't to see children being taught how to think instead of what to think.
Mornys 5 months ago
@Mornys about the apostsy thing, i saw this, check it out
watch?v=KGghDU-2_Y4
ReeferInferno 2 months ago
6:24 Muslim snake Mudakin: "We have the right to bring up our children in accordance with our beliefs which have served us all the centuries well."
Dawkins: "What about the rights of children themselves?"
Mudakin: "Well the rights of the children come when they are old enough to understand the issues." ... "When you talk about faith you don't look about what faith teaches..."
7:24 Dawkins: "What do you teach the children will happen to them if they give up the muslim faith?"
Apostasy->death.
Mornys 5 months ago
"What is the penalty for apostasy?" you can see the other guy trying to weasel away because he knows just how barbaric it is to tell little children they will be killed for their disobedience.
PlasteredDragon 6 months ago
Answer the question! He didnt ask whether going to catholic "school" has developed your faith, he asked whether it has helped or hindered your integration and contact with OTHER people.
For fuck sake, religious people simply refuse to actually answer any questions.
facepalmization 7 months ago
Answer the question! What is the fucking penalty for leaving your "faith"???
facepalmization 7 months ago
@ImGladImBrad Exactly, but I believe they are in the U.K. in this debate, and I believe that the U.K. was founded on religion. But yes, the U.S. was founded on good morals, and by atheists or deists (God who just created the universe and sat back and watched).
LPAcerAspireOne 7 months ago
I believe that there should never be the one religion enforced as compulsory learning at school, unless that school is based around that religion i.e catholic schools. Countries such as the U.S.A, Australia, Canada, England etc. have stated in their consitutions that the government cannot be prejudice or prohibit the beliefs or worship of its people, so why would we teach the one religion(most commonly christianity) when it is not the unanimous religion. Other cultures need to be considered
BuddhaChrist13 8 months ago
i agree with the rabbi @ the beginning.
manidontgiveafuck 8 months ago
Wtf is that Mukadam on about?? That faith teaches you to think of yourself as a human being?? I emphatically disagree. Faith teaches you that you are special and better than others because of your religion. Science teaches you that you are a human being!! That we all bleed the same blood. Science shows us how similar we are where religion and faith divide us by creating perceptions that we are different. Ridiculous argument.
IdeasAboveStation 9 months ago
god that guy thats leading the meeting he keeps stuttering hes like ooeee uuu ee uhh uhh what an idiot he sounds like a retarded monkey
ClythiaMystica 10 months ago
@ClythiaMystica Maybe you should work on your own grammar before you start to criticize that of people far more educated than you. It is absolutely hilarious that you would attempt to make fun of a man's speech with a sentence like this, if it can even be called a sentence. Read your comment again, and then tell me which one of you sounds like the retarded monkey.
Sharkmate004 9 months ago
@Sharkmate004 o wait.. WERE ALL RETARDED MONKEYS According to the theory of evolution.. yes, the THEORY. that means its NOT TRUE ASS HAT
ClythiaMystica 9 months ago
@ClythiaMystica Maybe you should look up the scientific meaning of the word theory and study evolutionary theory...
AJBuwalda 9 months ago
This Muslim is only bullshitting to impose an apartheid society...
And he use an desert dogma to brainwash his own kids. The bastard should be castrated...
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
DAWKINS FOR THE WIN!
ooMatttyooo 10 months ago
I wish i went to a muslim faith school.
Richard Dawkins is probably a queer, thats why he is anti religion.
blueeagleTFL 10 months ago
@blueeagleTFL 7:29 explains why Richard is right
OmgItsNikoZ 8 months ago
watch him squirm 7:29
Chowzoo 11 months ago
My view is a mash up, i am catholic, but i believe everyone should choose and be ALLOWED to choose their religion.
As long as no one is being hurt or ofended anyone then their is not problem with your religion
erisboxxx 11 months ago
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Exlemic 1 year ago
My bad, my machine glitched. One must wonder why the Rabbi's examples aligned so well with the stereotypes... And no, I'm not ant-any of the above mentioned religions per se, I'm just pro-reality, and anti-ignorance. Most of theirs is innocent. BEFALLENOFFICIAL's however, is not. Comments like that make rational thinkers appear as ignorant and hateful as such wastes of human life as racists, sexists, and religious extremists. As for my previous joke, f-ck em if they can't take a joke LOL
HandiCripple666 1 year ago
Re: the Rabbi, about 2:00 on. He wanted his kids to sit next to a Christian (better the goy is a yedid than an oyev?), to play football with a Muslim (what better teammate than one who’s willing to martyr himself to achieve a goal?), to do homework with a Hindu (c'mon, have you ever known a dumb Hindu student?), to walk home with a secularist (cause they leave nothing up to faith and look both ways before crossing the street?) ALL in good fun!!!
HandiCripple666 1 year ago
Re: the Rabbi, about 2:00 on. He wanted his kids to sit next to a Christian (better the goy is a yedid than an oyev?), to play football with a Muslim (what better teammate than one who’s willing to martyr himself to achieve a goal?), to do homework with a Hindu (c'mon, have you ever known a dumb Hindu student?), to walk home with a secularist (cause they leave nothing up to faith and look both ways before crossing the street?) ALL in good fun!!!
HandiCripple666 1 year ago
fuck islam, erradicate it
BEFALLENOFFICIAL 1 year ago
That Muslim Doctor is a moron. You claim to know how your pupils, bullshit. From personal experience you dont know anything. I have muslim friends and when theyre around their Priests (Imam I think theyre called) theyre completely different people. Hes like "oh well I brought the child into the world I should be allowed to do what I want with it"..............oh really what if someone believes its okay to fuck their kids or beat them or marry them what then mister genius is that alright too.
IGNsucks 1 year ago
@IGNsucks As a parents we have the right to bring our offspring up with what we believe is right, within the law. However, children are little people. They have rights. When they're old enough to think rationally, they should be free to make their own decisions. My 4 y/o is currently a secularist, but I will no more beat or kill her if she decides to worship Thor than I will ever marry her off. These are her decisions. Mine is only to teach her how to think critically and hope for the best.
HandiCripple666 1 year ago
Yeah,lets have white kids going to muslim schools where they can be
taught to hate themselves because they're white!
What really bothers me is the government is so whimsical about the subject,
"people deserve to practice their own religion" or some similar lame rhetoric.
BAN RELIGION IN SCHOOLS,beforee we end up with the problems of middle eastern countrries.
funkyleaf 1 year ago
This moderator is the worst ever. As soon as someone starts saying anything of value he cuts them off and goes to some jack off in the audience. Totally ruined the interviews, just leave things alone....
orarkcray 1 year ago
The problems with these debates is that the Athiests think Dawkins won, and the Muslims think that Muslim Chairmen won.
"Won" in the sense of 'Shut down' or 'Owned' if I will.
Every side in a debate thinks they win.
UseF007 1 year ago
Dawkins owns
caseybv74 1 year ago
I actually find the word atheist offensive. This word suggests i am abnormal because i DON'T believe in God....There have been 100's of religion and by that very fact only goe's to show it's a belief system and nothing more....Is there a label for right,rational thinking people that don't believe in fairy's and goblins?....no of course not, because we KNOW they do not exist, yet millions of wankers believe in something based on blind faith....fuck religion and fuck God...when you die you die..
Deadlybrit 1 year ago 4
Richard Dawkins for Prime Minister....lol
Deadlybrit 1 year ago
lol that priest looks like my 'faith' teacher(who's just as stupid as him)
i fuckin HATE MY SCHOOL
MrWaddefak 1 year ago
Thanks Universe for giving us Richard Dawkins
VOD713 1 year ago 4
richard dawkins i love you, you rock, he totally nailed that muslim
LauraKathleen05 1 year ago 10
5:36 "Prejudicial debates." Yeah that's Islam for you.
Khyrid 1 year ago
"What is the penalty for apostasy!?" "Let's move the argument along here" says the lying Muslim. lol
ManofManyPasswords 1 year ago 2
Most faith schools cost money to go, so yea a lot of the students from them are going to go to college because most likely their parents have the money to send them to school. Obviously this is not true for all family, but in my opinion it is true for most. just saying lol
schul5ka 1 year ago
When are these programmes (or chairman of them) going to make muslims have to answer the questions posed to them instead of protecting them all the time!!!??? We want to hear what defence they have for their medieval beliefs in modern Britain.
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
Oh snap Richard! You pwned that Muslim guy.
UR55378008 1 year ago 5
Also the Sinead girl at the end dodges the question... also says something so incredibly imbecilic I'm speechless. Going to a Catholic school and being raised around other Catholics gave you your OWN beliefs... stupid cow.
GeneralGuitFiddle 1 year ago
@GeneralGuitFiddle she's a child and talked more sense than you have written here. Dodged what question? If her answer is too scary simply because it's not the same views you have, then you shouldn't be watching these videos or you'll confuse yourself with all the silly beliefs you're clinging on to. She answered, she doesn't feel isolated and going to her school has made her more tolerant of other people. Actually listen to what is being said before you make yourself look stupid on here.
0mla1 1 year ago
The chairman of Muslim schools is FULL OF SHIT.
GeneralGuitFiddle 1 year ago
I wish we had debate shows in the U.S.
bloodhoof1000 1 year ago
Very interesting debate, such a pleasure to watch.
Alkoholwioslaidziwki 1 year ago
Dr. Mohamad Mukadam is very typical of muslim clerics. Always whining about discrimination, challenging what everyone knows is the truth, which is that islam is a totalitarian ideology and a death cult. No Doctor, you do not have the "right" to raise your children with your maniacal beliefs, to do so is abuse at least and brainwashing at best. Islam is not a culture, it is a cult, and your cult is not welcome in the civilized world.
mikespulligan 1 year ago 2
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Professor of American convert to Islam
In Riyadh K.S.A 22 \ 2 \ 2010
Professor of English at King Saud University
He said that his conversion to Islam came with complete confidence as he found fulfillment in his soul and tranquility in his heart
congratulate to him
Please, write your comment
Tofy710 2 years ago
The fuck is a "Professor of American"?
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 Yes, and I have his image after his conversion to Islam
Tofy710 1 year ago
@Tofy710
No, Tofy, what I mean is that there is no such a degree as "Professor of American". Did you mean a professor of English or maybe a professor of American history?
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 a professor of English
Tofy710 1 year ago
@Tofy710
Now I understand :).
thegirl44 1 year ago
Wasn't raised religious, but I can change, just want facts, something theists have not provided.
xGothimox 2 years ago
I guess that would depend on what facts you're looking for, Gothimo. I know that living a charitable and giving life provides me with a better life, for a fact, but those qualities didn't necessarily have to come from Christianity, my understanding of them just happened to.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44
Then why have a religion if you don't need it?
xGothimox 1 year ago
Because I don't have a religion. There is a world of difference between spiritual faith and organized oppression.
thegirl44 1 year ago
just looked up that penalty for apostasy, heh, it's execution. Why am I not surprised :P
Yarrick2k5 2 years ago
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DioMarti 2 years ago
6:38 Richard Dawkins listening to a dumbass
DioMarti 2 years ago
It seems to me that the Bible, and many so called holy documents, the Qur'an as well, consistently contradict themselves. If awesomewelles90\s quote is correct, and the Qur'an also states that all non-muslims go to hell then the text cannot be trusted. Furthermore, if God wrote the text then he would make no mistakes, but because these texts give so many different points of view I would conclude that they had all been written by many different people, with many different views of their faith.
FriendlyFantom 2 years ago
It's not really a matter of contradiction, FF. Scholars call it abrogation. The difference between the Bible and the Qu'ran is that the Bible has different sources of God's message (Abraham, Isaiah, Jesus) contributing to this abrogation that reflects advancement as a species and a civilization whereas Muhammad abrogated his own words, which is strange. For a man claiming to have been given the perfect word of God, wouldn't you think that he would have got the right message right off the cuff?
thegirl44 1 year ago
IF GOD AND HELL WERE TRUE.......
THE BIBLE and QURAN would have been literature written by the Devil.
It makes sense.. both of these preach IGNORANCE and HATE against other people. And what better way to bring a lack of morals, death, and pain to the world than to make people believe STRONGLY in something that they must be ignorant to science, logic, analysis and reason.
AkatsukiKanjiKana3 2 years ago 12
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@AkatsukiKanjiKana3 you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? :/
UrTicket2Lyrics 5 months ago
Paul, knowing that his FAITH would CRUMBLE if SUBJECTED to FREE and CRITICAL INQUIRY, tells his followers to AVOID PHILOSOPHY. Colossians 2:8.
Pedophile Muhammad goes one step further. To stop any kind of criticism against HIS beliefs he outright forbade QUESTIONING even the simplest things.
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Quran 5:101-102)
AkatsukiKanjiKana3 2 years ago 4
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@AkatsukiKanjiKana3
Paul never said for anyone to avoid philosophy, he told them to take care that they not be spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit. He's saying to use your brain in light of new information that may seem novel or flattering.
I love strawman arguments, they're as easy to tear down as a haystack.
thegirl44 1 year ago
The Quran is the ultimate authority, the hadith are to be taken only with reference to the Quran. Also many of the hadith are disputed, i.e they cannot all be trusted 100%.
awesomewelles90 2 years ago
Please, welles. The Hadiths are the Hadiths and make up a HUGE part of Sharia Law.
You Muslims have been lying for so long you'd think you'd be good at it by now.
thegirl44 1 year ago
What is Dawkins on about! There is no prescribed punishment for apostasy in the Quran! If he's referring to the wahabi Saudis then they may have some ghastly law like that but is disingenuous of him to imply that it is a mainstream view.
awesomewelles90 2 years ago
Please see the Qur'an verses 3:72, 3:90, 4:147, 5:54 and 16:106, which state that Allah will punish and reject apostates in the afterlife.
SickOfFashion 2 years ago
If people didn't teach religion they would learn to respect the earth and nature, and other humans too.
Which explains why we are the way we are today. I blame religion.
TheAstral1 2 years ago 3
I really like this rabbi's views. He's very open minded.
xxshruthixx 2 years ago 2
Is it me or is that Muslim woman fucking SCARY as hell.
anime891 2 years ago
@anime891
It's the dead eyes, anime. They remind us of every zombie movie that we have ever seen.
*shudder*
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44
Haha, you replied to everyone.
anime891 1 year ago
@anime891
I did, but your response was special because I wrote it with love and it was about zombies :).
thegirl44 1 year ago
Edit at 3:28.
SlimeTron5000 2 years ago
lmao 7:25 richard make an exstremely valid point which basicly shits all over their views
CrMoshed 2 years ago 62
not really, there is no prescribed "punishment" for apostasy in the Quran.
awesomewelles90 2 years ago
@awesomewelles90
Going to hell?
CrMoshed 2 years ago
In Islam only God knows who is going to hell or heaven. What Dawkin's is implying is that there is an earthly punishment that muslims are obliged to deal out to apostates. He wants to say that muslims are obliged to kill apostates. This is a barefaced lie.
awesomewelles90 2 years ago
@awesomewelles90
No, because it clearly says in the quaran, if your not a muslim, your going to hell, therefore if someone was never converted before they die... they went to hell. No questions.
Richard did not mention the specification of the punishment, infact he said "what Does the muslim faith TEACH will happen to them if they turn away" TEACH implying teaching based upon the quaran not FACT.
CrMoshed 2 years ago
I don't remember the bit you're talking about. I do remember this though: "O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).
Notice it is addressing mankind not just Muslims.
awesomewelles90 2 years ago
@awesomewelles90
Wow thats 1 part of the quran.
im sure if we ask a scholar he'd be able to quote you 20x that amount in all non muslims will go to hell.
CrMoshed 2 years ago
@awesomewelles90 no thats not a lie. The bible also reflects the notion of death to those who do not believe, who are adulterers, who do not yell loud enough to get help if being raped in the city, who do not listen to their parents...the prescription is death in these documents. Theres no wiggle room for interpretation...You cannot explain away these prescriptions. Because many dont do this doesnt reflect well on the religion, its reflects on human innate nonreligious morality evolving.
jns124able 2 years ago
The bible also abrogates many, but not all, of these prescribed punishments in the new testaments. Also, any aware Jew and Christian understands that the Bible was a book written by man originally intended for law makers and religious leaders, who had the instruction as to how and when these situations were applicable.
When you don't study the abrogation you end up Westboro Baptist bat shit, Jesus Camp crazy
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 Where does the bible selectively abrogate these laws? I like how you qualify your statement by specifying "aware" jews and christians. =P In any case...pragmatically yes the bible was written by humans but as far as these religions go...they are divinely inspired and ARE the word of god. :O The new testament is not, in my opinion, an improvement morally from the old testament. If i were to concede the abrogations, Id still have the new testament atrocities to contend with. :/
jns124able 1 year ago
I had heard, recently, that there are versions of the King James available with the God parts written in red text. I'd be curious to see what they are. Is it only the actual words that God spoke :)?
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 I dont know...but its interesting.
jns124able 1 year ago
Just to clarify, I never claimed that the NT abrogated the OT laws, only the punishments for not obeying them.
And I really think that if certain people need a text to differentiate passages clearly stating, "God SAID", if that is the case with the red print, maybe they shouldn't be reading that book?
There's also a Cole's notes for the King James version of the bible. I'm not shitting you.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 yikes, considering the nature of the OT laws (ie all the people we are expected to kill for various behaviours deemed undesirable like not obeying your parents etc) i would have preferrred an abrogation of the laws themselves as opposed to punishment for not carrying them out (ie NOT killing someone...) Id like people to read the book for the so that they would judge for themselves how utterly immoral etc it is...but lotta people let the bible "do the thinking for them"...sigh
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able
I've never understood how we got so far away from the lessons in the bible in applying them to our, so called, "enlightened" age? For example, punishment for stealing a horse was death by hanging in many parts of North America until the turn of the 20th century. Where the fuck did that idea come from?
The Bronze age was a pretty fucked up time all around, though. Look into the Roman legal system. Equally barbaric.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 I hear ya. I dont doubt it for a minute. What gets me is the people claiming the bible is our moral code, actually pick and choose what to follow based on the innate morality that claim we dont possess.
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able
I love the way that your brain works :).
I think of it this way: Going by the biblical timeline, God left us alone for over 2000 years before He set down any rules. In that time we would have figured out what did and didn't work in a reasonable society. God just confirmed what we'd learned with the commandments. It's not as though we all of a sudden became moral because Moses came down the mountain with those tablets.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 here's my 2 cents on God giving the commandments based on what is already considered moral and just:
If he didnt just say "This is moral and right" but rather reported what was already established as right in the universe...then what was right was external to him. The idea of morality being external to god and not DEFINED by him arbitrarily is very intriguing to me. It suggests to me that morality does not have god as the source...he merely reported the news. =o
jns124able 1 year ago
@jns124able
Please don't read into my last comment that I buy into the biblical timeline, I had to edit that I don't for length.
For anyone to imply that we don't have instinctive morality is insane. If a child is in harm's way you're going to intervene, even putting yourself at risk of that harm. Perhaps that's why the commandments don't say anything on the subject? It's expected?
I think our 2 cents each are at least up to a cup of coffee's worth. We'll share it 'kay?
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 ya...and if a mother is crying a child instinctively moves to console. Actually ...a LOT of what religion suggests is insane...
jns124able 1 year ago
@thegirl44 then of course Im an atheist until proven otherwise (heheh) and have reason to accept that morality is innate and served a darwinian purpose. Seems odd that god would not make a command "dont harm children" but made 4 of them based on petty jealousy. Seems very human-contrived to me. Im thinking God didnt make us in his image...its the other way around. buuuuut, thats only my 2 cents...and thats about all its worth on the internet. =P
jns124able 1 year ago
Dawkins said, what does the religion teach happens to apostates, not what does the religion teach to do to apostates. There's a huge difference.
SickOfFashion 2 years ago
@CrMoshed Your comment shows just how ignorant you are, like Jonathan Dimebleby said that debate could go a long way it's not that simple. Think of it like this, If anyone asked you is killing wrong, you would say yes. But then if your asked is war wrong, then you think oh wait a minute there's a long debate to be had here. I could do what Dawkins is doing at 7:25 and say, you said killing is wrong and now your backing war when you think it's necessary. Everything isn't that simple.
0mla1 1 year ago
@0mla1 I think that war is wrong. Your comment shows just how ignorant you are because you think that everyone approves of war.
B01318182 1 year ago 41
@B01318182 I said there is a debate to be had about war, and thought most people will think the same because there is so much of it in the world and there doesn't seem to ever be an end to it. I think people with a clear view of 'yes' or 'no' to war are ignorant. A clear 'yes' to war is ignorance for obvious reasons. A clear 'no' to war is ignorance because if your asked for a solution that highly skilled negotiators can't come to, you probably wouldn't have one.
0mla1 1 year ago
why do we argue! Brign communism in Britain and the problem is solved!
mjufpn 2 years ago
Be Honest..I am a muslim,but I prefer to read Quran for my faith than go to muslims schools.I agree with this muslims girl..
diekaNr 2 years ago
good for you man!
Michaelsdick 2 years ago
What ever you do
DONT READ THE COMMENTS, no matter WHAT you are you will still go, " RRAAAAARRR"
lol
colmmernagh 2 years ago
These are the facts...
We need to do research to find out the facts...
The facts don't matter, we have a right to do this...
Nice try.
Aught3 2 years ago 3
Wether more religous school kids go on to further education or not is beside the point. Religous schools are still devicive.
scienceandreasoniluv 2 years ago
Dawkins in pro in this debate :)
NinjaMatie 2 years ago 2
The muslim guy really does seem angrier than the rest, doesn't he?
mcquestion 2 years ago
The guy gets much more criticism in the last year,than the others i presume.
shurednichso 2 years ago
Faith schools are a disaster for democracy and reasoning.
lo3331 2 years ago 21
You see that Muslim choke when he was asked don't you think its the childs choice. Religion is on its way down!!
MrGotthelife 2 years ago 2
yeah man ;)
Matarawi1 2 years ago
what the young woman that was going to the Catholic school dose not understand it that most teens go through the same thing a her age. Most teens start forming there own morals and begin think for themselves and what is right and wrong, it has nothing to do with if you go to a Catholic or public school.
fireflygirl246 2 years ago
Why did the host stop Dawkins when he asked about the penalty for apostacy?
Because the answer, that the penalty for anyone who denounces the Muslim faith is death followed by eternal Hell, would prove his point that teaching this rubbish to kids is harmful and abusive.
whyaretherenoneleft 2 years ago
religion is evil , period
journeyman66 2 years ago 5
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migfulcrum1 2 years ago
There should be NO faith schools. They are disgusting. Brainwashing young, impressionable minds to believe the tosh that their parents believe.
pervious1 2 years ago 8
This would be so much less civil if they had this debate in the US. I'm a little disappointed in how intelligent even the religious supporters are being.
mooktank 2 years ago 5
Why allow pseudo science in the first place? Waste our tax money to teach imaginary friends? WE need to evolve PPL! GODDAMN
D1ZaST4R 2 years ago 4
that host is horrible. shuts down dawkins when he is actually running with the ball.. what a loser host.
gobbler6 2 years ago 2
lol that muslim is owned lol :)
the penalty is DEAD and the fucktard knows it :D
Michielos23 2 years ago 7
to Michielos23, it it well known in Islam that, if some one does not want to believe in Islam, then he has the freedom to go to whatever he wants, so dont u say penalty is DEAD, It is against Islam. The muslim did not want to answer because he was speaking in another matter, and the other guy interrupted him buy this question, which I wrote you its answer, Please read about Islam before you judge. Peace be with you friend
Matarawi1 2 years ago
point being is that when people think of islam, they dont think of the peaceful religeon that it claims to be. People look at it and see: terror, violence, murder, torture, planes crashing in buildings, To say its a peaceful religeon or even to say that religeon is peace is completely ridiculous then. If it's so peaceful, how come people associate it only with violence?
Michielos23 2 years ago
it is even forbidden in Islam to annoy someone even by using harsh words not killing, the only killing that is done in Islam is the penelty of death if someone killed another, or if a muslim is defending his country, thats it, nothing more, and about torture, i have never seen anyone toruter another person in any muslim country,
Matarawi1 2 years ago
but believe me mate, if a muslim tortured a person, whatever this person's religion is, or even with no religion, this muslim is NOT considered to be a Muslim, and by the way prophet Mohamed (PBUH) told the Muslims when he was alive, that there will be a time that a lot of people from different countries will
Matarawi1 2 years ago
try to destroy Islam, and Muslims. and put in mind my friend that Islam is for all humanity, not like Christianity or Judaism, because these Religions, came for a certain age and certain people, and it is written in the bible and Taorah ( The unmodified ones ) That the final prophet on earth who will come with the Religion that will work with all ages and all humanity, his name is Mohamed (PBUH), anyway back to your comment,
Matarawi1 2 years ago
u said that there is murder in Islam, well there are people who kills, but then as i said that people who kills are punished by the penelty of death, its in any country, in fact Murder is mostl found in western countries, there is a channel called Real TV that is full of crimes, But crimes are not usual in Islamic countries. and about the two towers, This is really ridicules for the one who does that, its not Muslims, I mean how would Muslims cross the American borders
Matarawi1 2 years ago
with not only one plane but three, look I dont know who did this, i think George bush himself, inorder to find a way to make war and if Bin laden really did this which he cant because i dont think that he got these kinds of planes and ppl. who are nuts enough to practice flying and kill themselves, and any way Muslims hate Ben Laden by the way, he is not following Islam rules anyway, he just hides under the name of the Religion.
Matarawi1 2 years ago
im sure it is.. religeon is total bullshit anyway.
Michielos23 2 years ago
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Hey, look, i gave you answers for your misunderstanding about Religion, so dont you disrespect all Religions, because Religion is a gift from God to guide us, other than leaving us like that, he sent you a book asking you to pray and treat people well and learn, thats all, so behave yourself, or is this your normal way in talking!, you should be ashamed, please reconsider reading about Islam, Believe me it is the path to all your confussions.
Matarawi1 2 years ago
haha and u believe this nonsense? i do whatever i want and there has NEVER been any proof or even scientific proof for this utter nonsense. If i say i believe in the God Bambi i have to see a shrink. If people say god made the universe it is "considered normal" :D
Michielos23 2 years ago 4
ok, so starting with a laugh, thats not a respectful wayanyway In Islam you will find the signs of the final day on earth, half of them are almost finished, this is one of the proofs, but what do you mean a shrink?
Matarawi1 2 years ago
Sure if you have a faith school which is open to all faiths, where children are free to discuss their views, and where faith is not taken as being necessary to an education... WHY HAVE A FAITH SCHOOL IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Edfromstortford 2 years ago 4
Isn't the christian, hebrew, and muslim god the same god?
TheK00laid47 2 years ago
not exactly..bc of the definition they are different
for example , christians define got by trinity so they believe Jesus as son of god and muslims reject that and say there is only one god .
SASHA1536 2 years ago
no christian believes God jesus christ, hebrew is a book in the bible and muslim believes in aliah
imdacuteboss87 2 years ago
the rabai dude makes good sense but richard is my fav (atheist powaaaa) ^_^
neoarcadezr 2 years ago 7
that discussion leader should've asked that muslim to answer the question on apostasy, but instead he bitched out, weak.
fuckucxcukckc 2 years ago
The penalty for apostasy is DEATH.
Funny how the muslim didn't want to answer the question...
RHDZ3 2 years ago 11
Whats even more funny is that the host, at that point, wanted to bring in the audience.
progress200 2 years ago
gotta love the dawk
crlxc 2 years ago 6
hell yea Dawkins
LeeL29 2 years ago 6
i make no apologies i fuckin hate muslims and allah got fucked hard in the ass by jesus
ricefarmer 2 years ago
if your going to have an opinion dont be ignorant
lasangeman 2 years ago
Hahaha, that muslim guy is like a used car salesman. I wouldn't trust him to give me the time of day.
FighterDoken 2 years ago 5
faith schools? must be a british thing... where i live it's different. Everyone goes to public schools - it doesn't matter which religion you belong to. And then we have something like sunday school - but that's from the church.
And I think that's the best way... you have both sides...
stoikr 2 years ago
all religious based schools teach what? DUH! THEIR RELIGION. why ELSE would they have a completely separate school for their religion? sending children to these schools is a brain washing process. when a child is born, it has never heard of God, Mohamed, Jesus, or Thor. These doctrines are TAUGHT to them by their parents. there are NO christian children. if you argue otherwise, this would liken to having "post-modernist" children, or Zoroastrianist children, or libertarian children. ridiculous.
HHthinktank 2 years ago
If a gun was held to my head and I had to choose who to follow with the spiritualistic people in that room (not an unrealistic analogy sadly x). I would go with that rabbi in the beginning, thats my kind of religious person. thats the kind we dont see on tv or in youtube ect, because theyre living their lives normally.
and that is my kind of religious leader. and im not even religious x)
Scholick 2 years ago
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coza012 2 years ago
if all religious people thought like the rabbi in the beginning, the world would be a much better place.
diefortacos 2 years ago 5
that muslim iman is a big fucker liar people going to muslim school they dont interograte with people they teach hate all religion school does
ultimate56 2 years ago 3
No problem, the coran says it's okay to lie to infidels!
dd452 2 years ago
fuk u mister host!!! FUK ... i love the debate and i think its one of the more inteligent debates on religion(this is after watching a bunch of people on the atheist experience argue for religion((so maybe not)), but i just cant fuking stand the host interepting each of the speakers when there about to finish making a point. i mean what the fuk!!!
gameboy6 2 years ago 3
In ISlam a child is sinless and blameless until puberty!!!
Muslim means submitting to God. and Children dont know wat they are doing, thats haw they are designed, hence they do God's will and are muslims.
Mabvudza1 2 years ago
"Children dont know wat they are doing, thats haw they are designed, hence they do God's will and are muslims. "...lol, children are innocently ignorant. I doubt they've done any of "god's" will. But, still I like the Muslim point-of-view about children, if it is true of what you say, than the Christians point-of-view. A child should NEVER get blame for some stupid shit like sin. I hate when Christians say that about a child and Jesus Camp is freaking retarded.
seeking911 2 years ago
yeah, by will of God i mean that God designed their heart to beat, and so it beats, same as breathing and seeing, eeryones avilities are made different, but as babies, we are as we are, and that is in a submissive state...
Mabvudza1 2 years ago
I don't believe in a god, but I believe that all people are innocent in certain ways.
seeking911 2 years ago
and i believe there is a God, and that there are guilty people in certain ways...
Mabvudza1 2 years ago
but, guilty differentiates among religions. Morality differentiates among the religious and non-religion. I wonder why.
seeking911 2 years ago
but religions are manipulated by those who dont like who is said to be gulity.... hence the differeces.
e.g. instead of fighting ur family, i get u to fight urself, it does weaken u doesnt it?
Mabvudza1 2 years ago
"but religion are manipulated by those who don't like who is said to be guilty... hence the differences"
So, Islam is wrong, since it wasn't the first religion on this planet. Your analogy is wrong. Sorry, I'm not understanding