All the martial arts are good, if there is a problem with any martial art, then it can only be the people who represent that particular art who misrepresent their art
This guy is stupid. I am practicing Aikido since 11 years and the stuff works. to able to use aikido technics in real fight you have to be practicing it for many years. Once you are practicing you learn the whole mentality around it. Aikido people a very peaceful and by the way we dont have competitions and stuff like that. There is a style called tomiki ryu where they do sort of championships but thats a joke........
Someone told me that Aikido derives out of a Sword culture, where some one might grap your wrist to avoid the pulling of the sword...any thoughts on that...anyone?
Interesting question. MMA is sport fighting. You could define sport fighting as imposing your will on your opponent through aggressive actions:strikes, takedowns,locks. Akido's philosophy is about redirecting your opponents action so he hurts himself. So not a great foundation, but a lot of the principles and techniques apply. Deflecting attacts, controlling and disrupting balnace, breaking grips.etc.
@undeadpresident They are, its just you'll never see one because the gloves make it near impossible to get it. Just like in the video if a punch comes at an akido master, he'd just catch their wrist and disable them, but because of the mma gloves they can't even grab their wrist to control it.
@Suiko6272 yeah the gloves also make boxing a bigger factor in the fights than it would otherwise be too because they don't injure their hands so easily from punching. A lot of people now mistake MMA for real fighting. I think that while there are definite similarities and MMA has helped progress martial arts in many ways, many people now just look to MMA and copy what is done there, neglecting that the most effective techniques are not usable in MMA.
@undeadpresident striking someone in the head/jaw, applying chokeholds and various full body locks, are the most effective techniques. please describe how a basic roundhouse kick or punch or elbow is not an effective technique? If you cant fight with the rules to some degree, you cant fight without them.
@jamesfunaro I didn't say those techniques you mentioned aren't effective, they just aren't the most effective. You should be able to figure that out for yourself...
@Suiko6272 it is imposible to catch a wrist when a proffesional fighter punches ,the guy that punches is already in his movement, to catch his wrist is imposible. and in the begining of mma (the vale tudo fights in brazil)there were almost no rules, and no gloves. if wat you're saying is tue, don't you think that there would be one just one that proved i. there were plenty barre knuckle tournement with almost no rules at all, and the magical aikido masters never showed there magic.
like aikido is about wrists. true aikido has movements like no other, also punches, all kinds of locks and counters. too bad that this great art has become style of magicians and fogsellers
@SuperPurgatorio wel i do think it has some good disarming moves ,and when combined with some other arts can be verry useful, it's just that it is't developed for modern one on one combat, it was developed for fighting in a way were to large groups fight eaghother with swords speers etc, i think the arts is good, but many practisionars don't have a open mind and are not humble and respectfull at all, and i thought that's also wat aikido was al about.
@undeadpresident Yeah they're allowed under unified rules, but committing two hands to something so ineffective would be pretty dumb. ('Small joint manipulation' is banned, but that's just fingers & toes).
The problem with mma is tha tyou wear gloves...when there are no gloves on and a small guy punches a big guy with tequnique and skill it only takes 150lbs of weight to kill someone or crack a sternum...with no sweat, shoes on for grip, and clothes on, the old martial arts are far superior...without gloves...the force of the punch is delivered since the surface area is more narrow...like a needle..instead of a nerf hammer. Huge difference.
@88bottlesoflove the old martial arts are far superior?then why did al the traditional martial arts got there ass kicked in the first vale tudo tournements in brazil? were there were almost no rules only, no biting no eyepokes, and they fouth with barre knuckles you could pull hair, kick in the balls,even rip eathothers earrings out. so why did't the old traditional martial arts show there superior skills then, when they had the chance?
@RuthlessViking1 Look at Anderson Silva, he won the fight using a wing chung kick....the best fighters are the ones who combine both athletic ability and form...you're confusing my point....I am saying that if you learn the form you tighten your skills, and then you become superior as opposed to just flopping after a while like brock lesnar...you achieve longevity like machida and silva...i'm not going to argue with you though...go and see yourself.
@88bottlesoflove but that's the point, they have to combine multiple martial arts then it's mma( MIXED MARTIAL ARTS )al the traditional styles are not combined martial arts, so they are one dimensional and not all round. fighters like silva are good becouse they have good standup and good groundgame, and the kick silva used is a basic kick in every martial art not just wing chun, in karate it is a may giri in muay thai a teep, it's one of the verry first kicks you learn in EVERY martial art.
@PabloDPena Yes my comments are intelligent and your comment shows you're even more incompetent than I thought. Seagal has NEVER fought in MMA whereas Bas was a champion. Silva and Machida were top fighters long before lard ass Seagal did a couple of training sessions with them.
@josh808m No offense to aikido, actually some of those locks Bas talks about are pretty dangerous they can break your wrists! (so I don't even thing they would be legal in the octagon to begging with) and I was grappling with my buddy (like 6 years ago) and he showed me one and it hurt man! very useful for self defense in the street (or to try remove a weapon I guess) against not trained people but the fact is after that moved I easily tapped out my buddy, like 6 times..
There is also something to be said for pure meanness. No matter what art you study, the X factor is normally who is meaner. I've seen folks who know nothing of martial arts kick the snot out of this or that black belt. One could liken it too, it don't matter what gun you have, its the one who points it first and shoots first that usually wins.
It's very simple. Aikido is not MMA. MMA is a competitive fight. Aikido is about resolving a fight or conflict. The only resolution to an MMA situation is winning or losing, therefore Aikido's application is limited.
a few aikido moves would be useful but i'll just stick to judo or wrestling for the mma, but its funny how ppl think a martial art is useless only because it is not used in mma, many police deparments and military forces around the world use aikido, its just that aikido is not a fighting art
Not to be disrespectful, but how many Aikido moves do you see work, or pulled off in the UFC or MMA...??? I can't think of one single "arm flip"... it's all about practicality.
one main reason is i believe small joint locks aren't allowed in MMA. second the training method of Aikidoka is much different than ones training for a "fight".. if a mugger or rapist thought you'd put up a fight, they wouldn't bother you. there are good openings for aikido in some situations in MMA if allowed. wrists DO get grabbed in clinches and on the ground.. and you DO quite often see some wild hay maker punches out there. many aikidoka just train more art than martial. which is a shame
@madeku do you know that wristlocks are alowed, small joint manipulations are not.and i know the wrist is a small joint, but wristlocks are alowed , usualy when they go for a armbar and it does't work they can make it a wristlock and make the oponent tapp out ,and al that talk about gloves, the begining of mma, vale tudo (brazil)was without gloves ,and with almost no rules, and not one single time did a aikidoka show his magical art.
I tried the aikido stuff for a bit but found that it would take countless years of hard practice to make any of those moves work. Not that it can't happen but not unless you start when you are 1 and get good in your forties. Also they may work better on an average person in a normal situation but not on a pro fighter in the ring. I always l9iked striking personally was always shit at wrestling.
lol he sed its impossible to grab the hand to the side ive done that in a real life fight and im in no way trained in any form of any style.. im sure if i had known about aikido before i coulda broke the kids hand in 12 ways
Aoki vs Wesneiski?Fedor use a heaven earth throw!call it what ever you want,I call it Aikido.You just see the love and assume it does not work.ronda rousey uses urimi into a flying armbar.Lol People think mma as is a real fight.you will get head butted to dead with that shite!
I will use what ever it takes.Aikido works i have been a bouncer.I put a bouncer in some sort of aikido or jj move once, what ever it works
Sorry man the art didnt work you...maybe your teacher just wasnt good enough...no offense.
And yes Bas hasnt met a real aikido master. How about he travel to Japan and then diss them off...guy wins in MMA fights and think he's ubergood..hahahah! What a load of crap.
On Tibet, I don't agree with Chinese policy. Unfortunate for Tibet, that region is a crucial geopolitical zone. China wants it; so does Nepal, Pakistan, India, America, Russia. Funny how we in the west cry foul when some other nation acts unilaterally to further it's own interest.(insert Iraq, Afganistan, Niccaragua, Cuba, Philippines.
First, we are talking about an artificial representation of a fight. There are ground rules, no weapons, and it is not mortal combat. To answer your question, Will it help: Yes. How could it not? You have to understand, MMAers cross train, and most certainly train for Aikido. Now what about some street thug with a knife?
@neils68 you don't always have to grapple in aikido. You can also possibly deflect strikes, and there are even a few techniques that don't require grabbing.
How effective would Aikido be once you have gloves on. Aikido seems more of an empty hand style, so all the fancy hand work would be null and void with gloves. MMA seems mostly boxing, kicking and grappling anyway.
@josh808m Yeah and I'm sure he has as much experience with Aikido as you have making intelligent comments. Ask someone who's been doing it twenty years might have a little more weight. Seems like Seagal is training some of the top fighters now. Makes you think doesn't it?
@neils68 It's not "fancy", it's very practical on the streets. But yes, the gloves might be a limiting factor for it inside a ring. On the streets however, many of these arts that people diss like wing chun, aikido are far more practical than trying to grapple someone on a concrete floor.
@neils68 Because that's what has been found to be the most effective. When the UFC started, it was open style with nothing but specialists. Grapplers were unbeatable, then kickboxers learned to avoid takedowns, then wrestlers learned how to box.
It's constantly evolving. Kicks are really underutilized by most guys in MMA right now, even good jiu-jitsu is starting to fall out of style because so many guys train to defend against it.
It will be unrecognisable in 20 years from what it is today
@frankvonfrauner thats not really true. What happened was a rush of mixed styles as you said. But Boxers learned bjj as well as wrestling. Its easy to submit someone who doesnt practice BJJ i do it all the time. Though whats truely happened is the blooming of MMA mixing martial arts. Instead of being one dimentional you learn all the arts. In 20 years it will still be MMA. Kicks arent out dated go watch a champ fight? Aldo Silva GSP JONES WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING?? BJJ INEFECTIVE? step in a gym
@frankvonfrauner love when guys love to chat about fighting online. Step in a gym bro go watch some fights you will see head kick KOs submissions every other fight you seem to know nothing about MMA because every sparring day or every event I see idk what boxing or bs your watching but i see guys tap i see guys tko by every form of art. You seem confused
@frankvonfrauner your asking me bee you obviously know nothing get some knowledge before you start your name calling? and first of all brah i said champs and diazs arent champs jackson isnt okay so as for that Jones subd 3 out of the last 4 fighters JIU JITSU . By the way the Nate diaz has 7+ submission victories he wins most of them with JIU JITSU and the diaz bros train Ceasar Gracie. You know nothing saying i like to argue and you come at me with mocks and elementary insults?
@neils68 You have a point there! But the aikido techniques you sea in an aikido demonstration for example are not everything in aikido! It's not about a particular move or technique it's about feeling the oponent and instinctively knowing understanding a particular situation but i have to admit , in a sparring those techniques are very very hard to use!
@naqdensjam Ok, lets back up a little bit. I put some thought into this. Most Japanese specialized martial arts, ie aikido, ju jitsu, and there are many schools of martial arts that made a complete warrior in the samari days. Aikido and ju jitsu were deigned to fight a sword wielding person unarmed. The particular techniques work very well against a man wearing 200 lbs of armor with a 5 foot long razor blade.
@neils68 Well it comes from there but it's developed to be usefull in whatever situation! And don't think that there aren't punches and kicks etc. People think that aikido is that bullshit thing where you have to be some kind of "Yoda" to use it! :)
@meuli1000 Aikido is fucking useless if you have ever grappled before you know that while wristlocks do hurt, it is easy as hell to just pull your arm back. As someone who has been grappling for over ten years I will leave you with a little information. To wristlock somebody you have to immobilize their entire body while isolating an arm and STILL alot of people wiggle their way out of them
In Aikido you don't catch the punch you deflect it. Even if they do catch it, their arms are already up, or they just have great reaction time. An aikidoist could easily be a champ if they tried. People in aikido aren't in mma because it destroys the peace (aiki) by purposely engaging in violence anyway.
just look the video above-so called ex-aikidoka is trying to inform the whole world what is aikido, but his aikido is fake.. as in many aikido dojos with watered techs. just look - christian tissier bercy and you will find aikido. if someone cant understand something, he is ignorant, not that-something, in this example aikido. but then again you cant just say- im aikidoka, i can defeat the whole world, thats stupid and disrespectfull. if you cant apply something you have the lack of knowledge...
@13Metal13Head13 small joint locks are not alowed, but wrist locks (that are used in aikido are alowed )just like a lot of moves that are in aikido. aikido is to pasive, and does not have enough tools against a all round athlete that knows stand up fighting throws, submisiond and ground and pound. aikido has a lot of moves that are also in jiu jitsu and judo, why can they use it and aikidoka don't? and aikido is in mma search rik ellis a aikidoka that learned other arts and does mma.
@RuthlessViking1 Aikido is a dogmatic martial ART. As any artist will tell you, art aims to express/represent life; it doesn't/can't duplicate it. In terms of effectiveness, I think it more appropriate to include the actual agent, and situation, rather then the technique exclusively. Furthermore, that Aikido isn't used in MMA is misleading. Aikido represents a concept that any pugilist would understand and utilize; The concept of harmony(physical/mental/spiritual.)
@Tarclasp but that is also a consept that is in buschido not just aikido ,my point is that a lot of aikidoka's say they would beat other martial artists on the streets ,and imo saying that is disrespectfull too other martial artists,and i do think that doing aikido makes you a better humanbeing but that is the purpose of almost any martial art, and by the way i never said aikido is't used in mma read my post i said a lot moves are and just search rik ellis a aikidoka that learned other styles.
@BlueBlazer89 hm...sorry but i would not open a conversation with you cause in order for you to understand what i want to say to you must become real dumb and you will win me due to experience!go to troll other posts !begon now!
@BlueBlazer89 oh?so when you give advise to someone you call him dumb?lol clearly you do not know how to give advise!and i am not an american lol!why you called me american anyway?
@BlueBlazer89 lol clearly you do not know how to give an advise then you dumb afganistan osama bin landen!lol!how idiot you might be to put this name?i ma not an american clever boy!
@BlueBlazer89 have you ever done any aikido or you are one of the many dumb american kidos that thinks they know about martial arts because they see tv and they press on you tube "martial arts" ?eh?i am a certificate bodygaurd and my sifu was an aikidoka and he was amazing!what he teaches is being used by bodygaurds all over the world!now if you believe that you who are a insecure kiddo(if you werent you woulnd troll on int!)knows best what it works than my teacher or me you must be a dumb ass
dont care about this "master of the universe", people just dont know... theyr ignorant. yes many instructors are using elements of aikido, in police, in army etc..
i disagree with most of thes comments i think if your good at aikido and have truly practiced its effective but of corse hollywood messes any martial arts respectability with over exsagerated moves and flashy bs
Aikido is way of meditating through martial arts, people that are masters at it do not do it for the money... Just ask a Zen Buddhist or maybe just ask Steve Jobs
Some of it can be used, but most of it is shit. Big reason is why is those don't spar. They just theorize and drill with a compliant partner. Add live sparring and cross training and Aikidoka would quickly find what is effective and what isn't.
Keep the knife defense, most of the rest is garbage.
@TheTerrorUforgot - Keep the knife defence? Only if any attacker promises to massively telegraph his knife attack, and then stand still with his arm out for me.....
@BriThai Idk from what I've seen it looks more solid than their other stuff....Wrist manipulation pretty much follows most modern knife defense anyway, what with the two hands on the knife hand, and that is Aikido's forte
@TheTerrorUforgot - Wrist manipulation may well follow most modern knife defence. But that does not mean it would work.
If wrist manipulation was so good, why not use it for punching defence? Punches are slower than knife slashes, so would be even easier to catch and twisty wristy. But people don't do them for real...... becaue they only work against a compliant "attacker."
..my god, are here on earth... yeah, like really you would do wristlocks all the time... theres a momentum when you do that...like jabs, spring kicks etc
@BriThai Well I'd say because you can afford to be hit but not cut, and you can make someone drop a knife... That's why two hands on one is good, whether you block and grab or "catch" the wrist. I don't believe it would work like in the drills, but in all knife defense I've done, eventually you end up with two hands controlling the knife arm. I think that once you're there, Aikido has some good moves.
I'm not sure if Ju is meant to mean [sic]gentle(respectively). I thought it was "supple". Not prone to resisting energy. gentle would cast a moral dye.This would be philosophy, if you agree that wisdom is required in martial arts. It's the difference between Jutsu and Do in Japanese jargon I believe..
they dont even catch fists in aikido,they block the punch to make contact with the arm first and quickly slide to the wrist,neck,or other arm.ppl just dont understand what they are looking at.you wont know what a style is and how it works until you actualy practice.there is alot more actualy going on in aikido then what it looks like.it just happens so fast.seriously underrated style.if you think its trash go challenge you local aikido master and tell me out it worked out for yuh lol.
@bassilkamali I agree. I myself have not practiced Aikido but my father has, it has many practical application (some of wich can be adapted to MMA) and most people associate Aikido with traditional forms of Karate.
@tywainwright1 yeah ppl see aikido in mma all the time they just dont know it.then they look stupid when they say aikido wont work in a ring or say its only good in certain situations,like it only has one move or somthing lol.every bodys a know it all but dont nobody wana go call out an aikido master lol.
@bassilkamali it is treu some moves that are in aikido are used in mma, but those moves already were there hundreds of years before aikido was invented, they were in a early form of judo, jiu jitsu and many other fighting styles, so it is a move that aikido kind of stole from styles that were already there .and i have no doubt a PROFFESIONAL mma fighter would destroy any aikidoka out there, just becouse they are more all round and have more tools to end a fight.
@bassilkamali i think it depends on the proffetional fighter though.they do have more tool and are all around better rounded but of course all it takes is one slip for that aikidoka to to slam tha guy on his neck,and wont be no 3 count,dude will b dead lol.i think there are some professional mma fighters that i dont realy think are all that professional and those would be the guys to fuck up and get fucked up lol.yeah i know about how japanese budo brached off from eachother.
Rutten is such a knob. The reason Aikido is not used in MMA is because it is not a sport and O Sensei never intended it to be. In Aikido the first point you lose will be your last.
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr didnt say i could did i?but there is someone who can and hes saying there isnt and thats rediculous and pp like you buy into it and first off you dont even know who i am and what i can do so who are you to talk.i could have my own dojo for all you know.
@bassilkamali any one who says a fighter cant......is an idiot.they only prove to limit thereself.there are no better arts only better fighters.mma guys swear thier the best but i see them get beat all the time but its not cause of the style they use,its cause the mind frame that so many mma trainers instill in them......just like bas rutten.
@bassilkamali Ok. Cool story bro! Just use the first thing you learn in every martial arts: RUN RUN AND RUN.
If you actually believe you can catch a punch like its taking a stroll on the countryside, you are most likely more of a threat to yourself than anything.
But I'm sure you have ALOT of fighting experience, even MORE than Bas Rutten ,right? Specially being a bouncer etc.
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr your a real dumb ass you know that.your talking only impresses yourself.i wish i could personaly show you what martial arts is.you wouldnt talk so big then hard ass.go ahead and respond back about how ud kick my ass or whatever cause thats all you can do is talk.like i said you dont even know me,stop making yourself look like an idiot.you dont sound cool you sound dumb bubba.
@bassilkamali You get angry fast. Also, please learn how to write english. I'm not trying to impress anyone at all, I'm just saying you wouldnt be able to catch Bas Ruttens punch, and if you were lucky enough to actually catch him, you would never get him down on the ground. I have been doing Goju-Ryu for 10 years + MMA. I do indeed know what martial arts is. Real life street fights and super techniques in a dojo are two completely DIFFERENT things. Ask anyone who has some real life experience.
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr well when you insult ppl they tend to get angry.ok you cant catch a quick jab,yeah i know this but if you catch a person sliping and throwing there body wieght around wrong witch does happen it can be done.im not saying its easy to do,im saying its possible and ive trained in martial arts for 10 years also.from 15 to 24.been in alot of fights and seen alot of fights.and its not all about catching punches.its also manipulating thier body.
@bassilkamali finding the right time to use a move.all moves can be done with proper timing and the correct situation.its all about whos the better man and faster thinker.there are no better arts,only better fighters.you cant disagree with that if your a real martial artist.in brazilian jiu jitsu they use wrist locks,hmmm how do they have the fighters hand if his hand cant be grabbed???proper application.aikido moves are even in mma.what else do i goda say?
@bassilkamali I agree. What I was saying is you cant catch a punch, not that wrist locks arent effective, but you wont get this wrist lock on a boxer. But pretty much every effective lock requires the opponent to be on the ground, so you have full control of him.
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr ok tell that to bj pen.your a mma guy you know how he does.does he or does he not take guys down from the pund and apply the wrist lock and if he can do,what could a real master do.these were techniques used in fudal japan for centuries,there lives depended on the stuff working in a real fight and there lives were dedicated to being able to do those moves.not catch a fist,but bypass it with you arm,make contact,then grab the wrist.
@bassilkamali this is used heavily in wing chun method.i heard one of those famous mma guys dising wing chun saying its ineffective.this was bruce lees base style.this is the style the great ip man used so effectivly to fight for his country.no you cant catch a punch,but you can grab a wrist or hand from a thrown punch.mma guys dis all these styles that mma is made of lol.its rediculous.yeah theres moves that r impracticle but that doesnt make the whole style bad.
@50pushups You prevent fights with [philosophy, which is arguably winning. Sun Tzu, one of the greatest tacticians in recorded history was a philosopher, and he talked extensively on this. Might be a reason Why china is emerging as a super power, whie the status quo is reeling from the global negative consequences of "might makes right."
@Tarclasp First, we are talking about a physical fight, not defusing a situation. You don't need Aikido to talk your way out of a fight, the question is will it help if you can't?
Second, China has a massive army and used it to invade Tibet, so they are hardly "winning" without fighting. China is a great example of might making right.
small joint locks are not aloud in most MMA sanctioned Sports venue. This is more then likely do to the fact that you it is very easy to break these joints with minimal amount of pressure used.
The main principle of Aikido is harmony. Harmony is the antithesis of violence. Violence insists struggle; imposition of will; victory and defeat. Harmony walks away from these concepts. It's about balance, and reconciling our beast nature with our intellect; our selfish nature with our concern for others. Harmony doesn't meet force with force, it absorbs it. likewise, it races to fill a vacuum.
Aikido is great for learning how to move and anticipate an attack. To learn how to balance and move with your opponent. I believe all of the MMA fighters should train Aikido at a certain time and learn as much as you can from it. But Aikido won't teach you how to "fight", that's boxing, JJ...
Bas Used a lot Akido moves in his punk payback show.. that said, Akido isn't that effective in MMA by itself , it's more of a self defence - but it could work if a well rounded fighter starting using it.
@pugghead Many of the philosophies in Aikido are based on using your opponents force against them. An inexperienced fighter will expose themselves in attacks making the Aikido techniques very effective. A professional MMA fighter will not leave themselves exposed as much, so Aikido techniques can be difficult. It's probably not impossible for Aikido to be successful in MMA, but it would take some doing.
@Tarclasp good post, esp. the last sentence. @Brady2k10 i agree with most of what you posted. Aikido has a slew of moves that if mastered could defend against any kind of attacks, even muay thai.
if hes a bit arrogant thats fine with me, im a bit arrogant as well, im sure we all are at times, seagal has never claimed to be an MMA fighter, so dont compare him to one, hes a martial artist not an MMA fighter and he was the first foreigner to open an aikido dojo in japan and he has a 7th dan black belt, i admire him and im proud of him opening the first dojo over there as a foreigner its a great achievement. So judge fairly, dont be ignorant, dont bash aikido or seagal
and by fairly i mean, dont use stupid hateful vids, rumors, comments about seagal as "proof" hes an ass because imo i think people should judge someone only if they know them, alot of the stuff ive seen on seagal is taken out of context just to make him look bad, must be all the angry MMA fans who hate what he said teaching silva that kick bs get over it man, he didnt teach him it, but he did show silva how useful it could be, stop crying over it damn i like seagal and most of his movies
so simple answer, aikido isnt effective in MMA because you have to wait for your opponent to attack before you can counter, the majority of aikido techniques are counters which a good MMA fighter will clearly know, but the average guy on the street wont know you do aikido, so he wont know you're going to use his movement against him, nor will he expect it, so stop bashing aikido MMA fans its a true martial art been around for a while show some respect as for seagal, judge people fairly
stop bashing aikido because seagal does it, aikido is a good martial art against your average attacker dont compare it to others like karate and judo though, those are aggressive thats the thing, aikido is the way of harmony, most techniques were developed to cause as little damage to the enemy as possible, you could apply a wrist lock to cause some pain, but after the opponent submits the pain wheres off, where as in karate you'd smash his face in, thats the difference
@godverdegodverdomme it is in my book if you are doing techniques to someone for real and they dont know how to fall, judo is the gentle art when its judokas practicing on each other, when its used in a real life self defence situation it is definately not a gentle art, its aggressive when you are grappling in a street fight and trying to pull of a judo technique, i wouldnt descibe it as gentle not when they hit the hard concrete floor after a grappling match
@godverdegodverdomme you dont have to tell me i know, but you lot need to look up the definition of aggressive it seems, when you are being attacked if you use judo for real its aggressive because you are grabbing them and throwing them like a ragdoll if someone is attacking you, you're not gonna throw them gently so they dont hurt themselves are you?
@Brady2k10 I know very well what agressive means, and I have used Judo in real life after being initially "tested" by a guy. I couldn't possibly be gentler and the guy instantly respected me after I kindly guided him to the ground within a second without even scratching him, he landed on concrete.
I just wanted to show him I was not to be pushed over, not ram him into oblivion.
I say Judo is not agressive unless you are forced to be agressive, but that goes for
@godverdegodverdomme well thats good for you that you guided him gently down to the ground where you then proceeded to hump him oh so gently, judo the gentle way is not so gentle when i do it. If someone attacks me which they have before im not gentle with them, otherwise they can get back up and continue their assualt, i throw them full force, your meant to when its a self defence situation, but if you like the whole gentle thing thats ok with me, go be gentle together
@godverdegodverdomme OoOoOo your secure enough woop good for you i mean that. Judo is aggressive when used for real you retard if someone is throwing punches at me do you think im gonna stand there and gently guide them to the floor? what the fuck is this shit, obviously you've never had a real fight in your life, you dont gently guide an attacker to the floor, you finish them so they cant continue their assualt on you, there well being is not your concern
Umm, I think Aikido is more like selfdefense, not a martial art. So on the street, when your opponent just want to punch you and expect nothing, you could beat him quick and easy if you've trained it. In a fight against some other martial arts (like Muay Thai for example) it isn't that useful. It's more "come quick out of dangerous situations" than "lets fight until the end" I think.
for what aikido is, a true martial art it does work, some techniques better than others, i agree aikido could use a shakeup if people practice it for self defence, alot dont practice it for self defence, some practice to keep fit and for the spiritual side of it and just as a hobby i guess but for those going to aikido looking purely for street self defence, there are techniques that will work, but there are also quite a few that wont, but MMA fans should respect aikido as a martial art
aikido is great for self defence, not MMA, there is a difference. Alot of Aikido techniques rely on the attackers movement, in MMA since fighters study each others styles Aikido wouldnt be as effective, i mean if i knew Aikido and my opponent knew that he would know what to expect, he wouldnt let me grab his wrist or his elg or whatever, it gives him an edge, aikido relies too much on the enemy attacking and then you countering, so its not so good in MMA but it was never developed for MMA
The guy has about as much philosophical or cultural value as pro-biotic yogurt, whereas Aikido represents a life philosophy that aims at the betterment of society through harmony. He's a great fighter; he also comes across as a low brow thug, is a terrible example for a budding martial artist, arrogant, violent, materialistic, and distorts the value of the traditional art forms he flaunts his obvious contempt over. Aikido isn't used in mma, because it is inherently non-violent.
All the martial arts are good, if there is a problem with any martial art, then it can only be the people who represent that particular art who misrepresent their art
SuperPurgatorio 19 hours ago
This guy is stupid. I am practicing Aikido since 11 years and the stuff works. to able to use aikido technics in real fight you have to be practicing it for many years. Once you are practicing you learn the whole mentality around it. Aikido people a very peaceful and by the way we dont have competitions and stuff like that. There is a style called tomiki ryu where they do sort of championships but thats a joke........
JIMMYCLIFFPLAYLIST 1 day ago
@JIMMYCLIFFPLAYLIST
the reason why people are talking that way about aikido is because aikido must purify itself for various fogsellers. as any other aikido is great art
SuperPurgatorio 19 hours ago
Someone told me that Aikido derives out of a Sword culture, where some one might grap your wrist to avoid the pulling of the sword...any thoughts on that...anyone?
maharis2000 2 days ago
Interesting question. MMA is sport fighting. You could define sport fighting as imposing your will on your opponent through aggressive actions:strikes, takedowns,locks. Akido's philosophy is about redirecting your opponents action so he hurts himself. So not a great foundation, but a lot of the principles and techniques apply. Deflecting attacts, controlling and disrupting balnace, breaking grips.etc.
hey12358y 4 days ago
After watching this video a second time, I have to agree with Bas, Aikido is kinda useless.
bgcheese 5 days ago
are wrist locks even allowed in any mma competitions?
undeadpresident 5 days ago
@undeadpresident They are, its just you'll never see one because the gloves make it near impossible to get it. Just like in the video if a punch comes at an akido master, he'd just catch their wrist and disable them, but because of the mma gloves they can't even grab their wrist to control it.
Suiko6272 4 days ago
@Suiko6272 yeah the gloves also make boxing a bigger factor in the fights than it would otherwise be too because they don't injure their hands so easily from punching. A lot of people now mistake MMA for real fighting. I think that while there are definite similarities and MMA has helped progress martial arts in many ways, many people now just look to MMA and copy what is done there, neglecting that the most effective techniques are not usable in MMA.
undeadpresident 4 days ago
@undeadpresident striking someone in the head/jaw, applying chokeholds and various full body locks, are the most effective techniques. please describe how a basic roundhouse kick or punch or elbow is not an effective technique? If you cant fight with the rules to some degree, you cant fight without them.
jamesfunaro 2 hours ago
@jamesfunaro I didn't say those techniques you mentioned aren't effective, they just aren't the most effective. You should be able to figure that out for yourself...
undeadpresident 1 hour ago
@Suiko6272 it is imposible to catch a wrist when a proffesional fighter punches ,the guy that punches is already in his movement, to catch his wrist is imposible. and in the begining of mma (the vale tudo fights in brazil)there were almost no rules, and no gloves. if wat you're saying is tue, don't you think that there would be one just one that proved i. there were plenty barre knuckle tournement with almost no rules at all, and the magical aikido masters never showed there magic.
RuthlessViking1 3 days ago
@RuthlessViking1
like aikido is about wrists. true aikido has movements like no other, also punches, all kinds of locks and counters. too bad that this great art has become style of magicians and fogsellers
SuperPurgatorio 19 hours ago
@SuperPurgatorio wel i do think it has some good disarming moves ,and when combined with some other arts can be verry useful, it's just that it is't developed for modern one on one combat, it was developed for fighting in a way were to large groups fight eaghother with swords speers etc, i think the arts is good, but many practisionars don't have a open mind and are not humble and respectfull at all, and i thought that's also wat aikido was al about.
RuthlessViking1 4 hours ago
@undeadpresident Yeah they're allowed under unified rules, but committing two hands to something so ineffective would be pretty dumb. ('Small joint manipulation' is banned, but that's just fingers & toes).
wordtouremother 3 days ago
@wordtouremother i see
undeadpresident 3 days ago
The problem with mma is tha tyou wear gloves...when there are no gloves on and a small guy punches a big guy with tequnique and skill it only takes 150lbs of weight to kill someone or crack a sternum...with no sweat, shoes on for grip, and clothes on, the old martial arts are far superior...without gloves...the force of the punch is delivered since the surface area is more narrow...like a needle..instead of a nerf hammer. Huge difference.
88bottlesoflove 6 days ago
@88bottlesoflove the old martial arts are far superior?then why did al the traditional martial arts got there ass kicked in the first vale tudo tournements in brazil? were there were almost no rules only, no biting no eyepokes, and they fouth with barre knuckles you could pull hair, kick in the balls,even rip eathothers earrings out. so why did't the old traditional martial arts show there superior skills then, when they had the chance?
RuthlessViking1 5 days ago
@RuthlessViking1 Look at Anderson Silva, he won the fight using a wing chung kick....the best fighters are the ones who combine both athletic ability and form...you're confusing my point....I am saying that if you learn the form you tighten your skills, and then you become superior as opposed to just flopping after a while like brock lesnar...you achieve longevity like machida and silva...i'm not going to argue with you though...go and see yourself.
88bottlesoflove 5 days ago
@88bottlesoflove but that's the point, they have to combine multiple martial arts then it's mma( MIXED MARTIAL ARTS )al the traditional styles are not combined martial arts, so they are one dimensional and not all round. fighters like silva are good becouse they have good standup and good groundgame, and the kick silva used is a basic kick in every martial art not just wing chun, in karate it is a may giri in muay thai a teep, it's one of the verry first kicks you learn in EVERY martial art.
RuthlessViking1 5 days ago 3
And by the fucking way- "change their style"?What does that even mean?
naqdensjam 1 week ago
@bgcheese aikido is useful. You're just being ignorant.
meuli1000 1 week ago
Can u use wrist locks in ufc? Or is he talking about pride?
kingdom482 1 week ago
Aikido is useless
bgcheese 1 week ago
@bgcheese Fail! You don't know very much about aikido don't you? :)
naqdensjam 1 week ago
thanks for stating the obvious bas.
Jersm5 1 week ago
@PabloDPena Yes my comments are intelligent and your comment shows you're even more incompetent than I thought. Seagal has NEVER fought in MMA whereas Bas was a champion. Silva and Machida were top fighters long before lard ass Seagal did a couple of training sessions with them.
josh808m 1 week ago
@josh808m No offense to aikido, actually some of those locks Bas talks about are pretty dangerous they can break your wrists! (so I don't even thing they would be legal in the octagon to begging with) and I was grappling with my buddy (like 6 years ago) and he showed me one and it hurt man! very useful for self defense in the street (or to try remove a weapon I guess) against not trained people but the fact is after that moved I easily tapped out my buddy, like 6 times..
MrJoseloalbares 1 week ago
There is also something to be said for pure meanness. No matter what art you study, the X factor is normally who is meaner. I've seen folks who know nothing of martial arts kick the snot out of this or that black belt. One could liken it too, it don't matter what gun you have, its the one who points it first and shoots first that usually wins.
neils68 1 week ago
@BJJbobby all I really mean is that aikido is a great martial art that can be effective in mma.
meuli1000 1 week ago
I agree with Bas. My Aikido instructor shot most of his students close range with a gun. I escaped luckily.
lifeschild1 1 week ago
It's very simple. Aikido is not MMA. MMA is a competitive fight. Aikido is about resolving a fight or conflict. The only resolution to an MMA situation is winning or losing, therefore Aikido's application is limited.
Mordanis 2 weeks ago
a few aikido moves would be useful but i'll just stick to judo or wrestling for the mma, but its funny how ppl think a martial art is useless only because it is not used in mma, many police deparments and military forces around the world use aikido, its just that aikido is not a fighting art
AmericanAztec915 2 weeks ago
aikido is a self defence art, mma is a sport, that is why there isnt any aikido in mma
Derp665 2 weeks ago
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Not to be disrespectful, but how many Aikido moves do you see work, or pulled off in the UFC or MMA...??? I can't think of one single "arm flip"... it's all about practicality.
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AppliedMartialArts 2 weeks ago
one main reason is i believe small joint locks aren't allowed in MMA. second the training method of Aikidoka is much different than ones training for a "fight".. if a mugger or rapist thought you'd put up a fight, they wouldn't bother you. there are good openings for aikido in some situations in MMA if allowed. wrists DO get grabbed in clinches and on the ground.. and you DO quite often see some wild hay maker punches out there. many aikidoka just train more art than martial. which is a shame
madeku 2 weeks ago
@madeku do you know that wristlocks are alowed, small joint manipulations are not.and i know the wrist is a small joint, but wristlocks are alowed , usualy when they go for a armbar and it does't work they can make it a wristlock and make the oponent tapp out ,and al that talk about gloves, the begining of mma, vale tudo (brazil)was without gloves ,and with almost no rules, and not one single time did a aikidoka show his magical art.
RuthlessViking1 2 weeks ago
I tried the aikido stuff for a bit but found that it would take countless years of hard practice to make any of those moves work. Not that it can't happen but not unless you start when you are 1 and get good in your forties. Also they may work better on an average person in a normal situation but not on a pro fighter in the ring. I always l9iked striking personally was always shit at wrestling.
RicRagsLive 2 weeks ago
He has no clue to what he's talking about
Htowndemongameing 2 weeks ago
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barrettokarate 2 weeks ago
lol he sed its impossible to grab the hand to the side ive done that in a real life fight and im in no way trained in any form of any style.. im sure if i had known about aikido before i coulda broke the kids hand in 12 ways
XxSYCOSLAYER15xX 2 weeks ago
rex kwan do is more useful than aikido
KingBastardCobra 2 weeks ago
Aoki vs Wesneiski?Fedor use a heaven earth throw!call it what ever you want,I call it Aikido.You just see the love and assume it does not work.ronda rousey uses urimi into a flying armbar.Lol People think mma as is a real fight.you will get head butted to dead with that shite!
I will use what ever it takes.Aikido works i have been a bouncer.I put a bouncer in some sort of aikido or jj move once, what ever it works
debtbully31 2 weeks ago
@ PaintedWolf
Sorry man the art didnt work you...maybe your teacher just wasnt good enough...no offense.
And yes Bas hasnt met a real aikido master. How about he travel to Japan and then diss them off...guy wins in MMA fights and think he's ubergood..hahahah! What a load of crap.
kittykat76 2 weeks ago
On Tibet, I don't agree with Chinese policy. Unfortunate for Tibet, that region is a crucial geopolitical zone. China wants it; so does Nepal, Pakistan, India, America, Russia. Funny how we in the west cry foul when some other nation acts unilaterally to further it's own interest.(insert Iraq, Afganistan, Niccaragua, Cuba, Philippines.
Tarclasp 2 weeks ago
First, we are talking about an artificial representation of a fight. There are ground rules, no weapons, and it is not mortal combat. To answer your question, Will it help: Yes. How could it not? You have to understand, MMAers cross train, and most certainly train for Aikido. Now what about some street thug with a knife?
Tarclasp 2 weeks ago
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i think that aikido is aikido. but what is that, perhaps it is a shit coz i dont see it in mma
SuperPurgatorio 2 weeks ago
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SuperPurgatorio 2 weeks ago
@neils68 you don't always have to grapple in aikido. You can also possibly deflect strikes, and there are even a few techniques that don't require grabbing.
meuli1000 3 weeks ago
How effective would Aikido be once you have gloves on. Aikido seems more of an empty hand style, so all the fancy hand work would be null and void with gloves. MMA seems mostly boxing, kicking and grappling anyway.
neils68 3 weeks ago 12
@neils68 Keyword again "seems"
josh808m 2 weeks ago
@josh808m Agreed. As in Bas Rutten "seems" to know what he's talking about.
PabloDPena 1 week ago
@PabloDPena LOL Yes he was only a UFC Heavyweight champion and King of Pancrase whereas you are just another douchebag on the internet.
josh808m 1 week ago
@josh808m Yeah and I'm sure he has as much experience with Aikido as you have making intelligent comments. Ask someone who's been doing it twenty years might have a little more weight. Seems like Seagal is training some of the top fighters now. Makes you think doesn't it?
PabloDPena 1 week ago
@neils68 It's not "fancy", it's very practical on the streets. But yes, the gloves might be a limiting factor for it inside a ring. On the streets however, many of these arts that people diss like wing chun, aikido are far more practical than trying to grapple someone on a concrete floor.
hoshinocrimsonwings 1 week ago
@hoshinocrimsonwings but u also gotta remember most of the street fighters are untrained but in the ring your opponenet is well trained.
shubroto81 1 week ago
@neils68 Because that's what has been found to be the most effective. When the UFC started, it was open style with nothing but specialists. Grapplers were unbeatable, then kickboxers learned to avoid takedowns, then wrestlers learned how to box.
It's constantly evolving. Kicks are really underutilized by most guys in MMA right now, even good jiu-jitsu is starting to fall out of style because so many guys train to defend against it.
It will be unrecognisable in 20 years from what it is today
frankvonfrauner 1 week ago
@frankvonfrauner thats not really true. What happened was a rush of mixed styles as you said. But Boxers learned bjj as well as wrestling. Its easy to submit someone who doesnt practice BJJ i do it all the time. Though whats truely happened is the blooming of MMA mixing martial arts. Instead of being one dimentional you learn all the arts. In 20 years it will still be MMA. Kicks arent out dated go watch a champ fight? Aldo Silva GSP JONES WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING?? BJJ INEFECTIVE? step in a gym
app369 1 week ago
@frankvonfrauner love when guys love to chat about fighting online. Step in a gym bro go watch some fights you will see head kick KOs submissions every other fight you seem to know nothing about MMA because every sparring day or every event I see idk what boxing or bs your watching but i see guys tap i see guys tko by every form of art. You seem confused
app369 1 week ago
@app369 frankie edgar, nick/nate diaz, rampage jackson, jon jones, gsp.
Do you see a lot jiu jitsu and head kicks? Argumentative cunt. "step in a gym bro" Step in front of a bus brah
frankvonfrauner 4 days ago
@frankvonfrauner your asking me bee you obviously know nothing get some knowledge before you start your name calling? and first of all brah i said champs and diazs arent champs jackson isnt okay so as for that Jones subd 3 out of the last 4 fighters JIU JITSU . By the way the Nate diaz has 7+ submission victories he wins most of them with JIU JITSU and the diaz bros train Ceasar Gracie. You know nothing saying i like to argue and you come at me with mocks and elementary insults?
app369 4 days ago
@neils68 You have a point there! But the aikido techniques you sea in an aikido demonstration for example are not everything in aikido! It's not about a particular move or technique it's about feeling the oponent and instinctively knowing understanding a particular situation but i have to admit , in a sparring those techniques are very very hard to use!
naqdensjam 1 week ago
@naqdensjam Ok, lets back up a little bit. I put some thought into this. Most Japanese specialized martial arts, ie aikido, ju jitsu, and there are many schools of martial arts that made a complete warrior in the samari days. Aikido and ju jitsu were deigned to fight a sword wielding person unarmed. The particular techniques work very well against a man wearing 200 lbs of armor with a 5 foot long razor blade.
neils68 6 days ago
@neils68 Well it comes from there but it's developed to be usefull in whatever situation! And don't think that there aren't punches and kicks etc. People think that aikido is that bullshit thing where you have to be some kind of "Yoda" to use it! :)
naqdensjam 6 days ago
It's annoying listening to fighters like Bas always doubt another art. It's so irritating and unnecessary.
meuli1000 3 weeks ago
@meuli1000
coz he is a pro and knows what he talks about ;)
Wc3ALifestyle 2 weeks ago
@meuli1000 Aikido is fucking useless if you have ever grappled before you know that while wristlocks do hurt, it is easy as hell to just pull your arm back. As someone who has been grappling for over ten years I will leave you with a little information. To wristlock somebody you have to immobilize their entire body while isolating an arm and STILL alot of people wiggle their way out of them
BJJbobby 2 weeks ago
@meuli1000 He didn't doubt it. He just said it's not entirely effective for MMA.
stevespielberg 2 weeks ago 12
@stevespielberg
Of course he doubted Aikido, and until it can prove itself in the Octagon, it will remain just a fancy art.
SHEEPLEwhisperer 1 week ago
In Aikido you don't catch the punch you deflect it. Even if they do catch it, their arms are already up, or they just have great reaction time. An aikidoist could easily be a champ if they tried. People in aikido aren't in mma because it destroys the peace (aiki) by purposely engaging in violence anyway.
meuli1000 3 weeks ago
Aikido is utilizes more of wrist locks which is illegal in MMA
vincearizala 3 weeks ago
just look the video above-so called ex-aikidoka is trying to inform the whole world what is aikido, but his aikido is fake.. as in many aikido dojos with watered techs. just look - christian tissier bercy and you will find aikido. if someone cant understand something, he is ignorant, not that-something, in this example aikido. but then again you cant just say- im aikidoka, i can defeat the whole world, thats stupid and disrespectfull. if you cant apply something you have the lack of knowledge...
SuperPurgatorio 3 weeks ago
You don't see (m)any aikodoka in cages fighting, because they don't care about that stuff.
bilgyno1 3 weeks ago
Oo realy bus?so it isnt becasue in mma is forbiden to use SMALL JOINT MANIPULATION?hm...i must dumb.....how much money did they paid you?
13Metal13Head13 3 weeks ago
@13Metal13Head13 small joint locks are not alowed, but wrist locks (that are used in aikido are alowed )just like a lot of moves that are in aikido. aikido is to pasive, and does not have enough tools against a all round athlete that knows stand up fighting throws, submisiond and ground and pound. aikido has a lot of moves that are also in jiu jitsu and judo, why can they use it and aikidoka don't? and aikido is in mma search rik ellis a aikidoka that learned other arts and does mma.
RuthlessViking1 3 weeks ago
@RuthlessViking1 Aikido is a dogmatic martial ART. As any artist will tell you, art aims to express/represent life; it doesn't/can't duplicate it. In terms of effectiveness, I think it more appropriate to include the actual agent, and situation, rather then the technique exclusively. Furthermore, that Aikido isn't used in MMA is misleading. Aikido represents a concept that any pugilist would understand and utilize; The concept of harmony(physical/mental/spiritual.)
Tarclasp 3 weeks ago
@Tarclasp but that is also a consept that is in buschido not just aikido ,my point is that a lot of aikidoka's say they would beat other martial artists on the streets ,and imo saying that is disrespectfull too other martial artists,and i do think that doing aikido makes you a better humanbeing but that is the purpose of almost any martial art, and by the way i never said aikido is't used in mma read my post i said a lot moves are and just search rik ellis a aikidoka that learned other styles.
RuthlessViking1 3 weeks ago
@RuthlessViking1
as in many places there is lot of trash in aikido... fogsellers and wordfighters
SuperPurgatorio 3 weeks ago
@13Metal13Head13 ya you must be dumb, read your comment again
BlueBlazer89 3 weeks ago
@BlueBlazer89 hm...sorry but i would not open a conversation with you cause in order for you to understand what i want to say to you must become real dumb and you will win me due to experience!go to troll other posts !begon now!
13Metal13Head13 3 weeks ago
@13Metal13Head13 lol clearly you do not know what a troll is ya dumbass american..i was giving advice
BlueBlazer89 3 weeks ago
@BlueBlazer89 oh?so when you give advise to someone you call him dumb?lol clearly you do not know how to give advise!and i am not an american lol!why you called me american anyway?
13Metal13Head13 3 weeks ago
@BlueBlazer89 lol clearly you do not know how to give an advise then you dumb afganistan osama bin landen!lol!how idiot you might be to put this name?i ma not an american clever boy!
13Metal13Head13 3 weeks ago
@13Metal13Head13 its advice not advise, anyways aikido is garbage, its 100% useless in life
BlueBlazer89 3 weeks ago
@BlueBlazer89 snap.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 weeks ago
@BlueBlazer89 have you ever done any aikido or you are one of the many dumb american kidos that thinks they know about martial arts because they see tv and they press on you tube "martial arts" ?eh?i am a certificate bodygaurd and my sifu was an aikidoka and he was amazing!what he teaches is being used by bodygaurds all over the world!now if you believe that you who are a insecure kiddo(if you werent you woulnd troll on int!)knows best what it works than my teacher or me you must be a dumb ass
13Metal13Head13 3 weeks ago
@13Metal13Head13
dont care about this "master of the universe", people just dont know... theyr ignorant. yes many instructors are using elements of aikido, in police, in army etc..
SuperPurgatorio 3 weeks ago
i disagree with most of thes comments i think if your good at aikido and have truly practiced its effective but of corse hollywood messes any martial arts respectability with over exsagerated moves and flashy bs
8unlucky8 3 weeks ago
Aikido is way of meditating through martial arts, people that are masters at it do not do it for the money... Just ask a Zen Buddhist or maybe just ask Steve Jobs
johnq3000 4 weeks ago
Some of it can be used, but most of it is shit. Big reason is why is those don't spar. They just theorize and drill with a compliant partner. Add live sparring and cross training and Aikidoka would quickly find what is effective and what isn't.
Keep the knife defense, most of the rest is garbage.
TheTerrorUforgot 4 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot - Keep the knife defence? Only if any attacker promises to massively telegraph his knife attack, and then stand still with his arm out for me.....
BriThai 4 weeks ago
@BriThai Idk from what I've seen it looks more solid than their other stuff....Wrist manipulation pretty much follows most modern knife defense anyway, what with the two hands on the knife hand, and that is Aikido's forte
I'd still take Krav Maga or Kali personally.
TheTerrorUforgot 4 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot - Wrist manipulation may well follow most modern knife defence. But that does not mean it would work.
If wrist manipulation was so good, why not use it for punching defence? Punches are slower than knife slashes, so would be even easier to catch and twisty wristy. But people don't do them for real...... becaue they only work against a compliant "attacker."
BriThai 3 weeks ago
@BriThai
..my god, are here on earth... yeah, like really you would do wristlocks all the time... theres a momentum when you do that...like jabs, spring kicks etc
SuperPurgatorio 3 weeks ago
@BriThai Well I'd say because you can afford to be hit but not cut, and you can make someone drop a knife... That's why two hands on one is good, whether you block and grab or "catch" the wrist. I don't believe it would work like in the drills, but in all knife defense I've done, eventually you end up with two hands controlling the knife arm. I think that once you're there, Aikido has some good moves.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago
I'm not sure if Ju is meant to mean [sic]gentle(respectively). I thought it was "supple". Not prone to resisting energy. gentle would cast a moral dye.This would be philosophy, if you agree that wisdom is required in martial arts. It's the difference between Jutsu and Do in Japanese jargon I believe..
Tarclasp 4 weeks ago
they dont even catch fists in aikido,they block the punch to make contact with the arm first and quickly slide to the wrist,neck,or other arm.ppl just dont understand what they are looking at.you wont know what a style is and how it works until you actualy practice.there is alot more actualy going on in aikido then what it looks like.it just happens so fast.seriously underrated style.if you think its trash go challenge you local aikido master and tell me out it worked out for yuh lol.
bassilkamali 4 weeks ago
@bassilkamali I agree. I myself have not practiced Aikido but my father has, it has many practical application (some of wich can be adapted to MMA) and most people associate Aikido with traditional forms of Karate.
tywainwright1 4 weeks ago
@tywainwright1 yeah ppl see aikido in mma all the time they just dont know it.then they look stupid when they say aikido wont work in a ring or say its only good in certain situations,like it only has one move or somthing lol.every bodys a know it all but dont nobody wana go call out an aikido master lol.
bassilkamali 4 weeks ago
@bassilkamali it is treu some moves that are in aikido are used in mma, but those moves already were there hundreds of years before aikido was invented, they were in a early form of judo, jiu jitsu and many other fighting styles, so it is a move that aikido kind of stole from styles that were already there .and i have no doubt a PROFFESIONAL mma fighter would destroy any aikidoka out there, just becouse they are more all round and have more tools to end a fight.
RuthlessViking1 4 weeks ago
@bassilkamali a good example of a guy using a little'' aikido'' in mma is rick ellis.
RuthlessViking1 4 weeks ago
@bassilkamali i think it depends on the proffetional fighter though.they do have more tool and are all around better rounded but of course all it takes is one slip for that aikidoka to to slam tha guy on his neck,and wont be no 3 count,dude will b dead lol.i think there are some professional mma fighters that i dont realy think are all that professional and those would be the guys to fuck up and get fucked up lol.yeah i know about how japanese budo brached off from eachother.
bassilkamali 4 weeks ago
aikido is used in mma.
bassilkamali 4 weeks ago
Aikido is mainly defensive/reactive. Not a complete martail art.
Mainly for situations if someone grabs you or use a weopon against you and you need to disarm them.
1NX9 1 month ago
Rutten is such a knob. The reason Aikido is not used in MMA is because it is not a sport and O Sensei never intended it to be. In Aikido the first point you lose will be your last.
aikitahmas 1 month ago
aikido is not only wristlocks
djdonegan 1 month ago
aikido si only wristlocks... yeah like bjj is only armbar, or boxing is only jab...
SuperPurgatorio 1 month ago
@SuperPurgatorio Well, he didn't say that Aikido was only wrist locks.
WhiteBeltAcademy 1 month ago
the most efective technic is a gun and a good knowledge in law science
rev1080 1 month ago
@rev1080 If you're a total wimp, yes.
godverdegodverdomme 1 month ago
wow this guy is stupid lol.i like how he used the word impossible,as in imposible for him lol.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali Ehm.. Lets see you try to do it on Bas Rutten, eyh?... I will congratulate you if you survive for more than 1 minute.
ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr 1 month ago
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr didnt say i could did i?but there is someone who can and hes saying there isnt and thats rediculous and pp like you buy into it and first off you dont even know who i am and what i can do so who are you to talk.i could have my own dojo for all you know.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali any one who says a fighter cant......is an idiot.they only prove to limit thereself.there are no better arts only better fighters.mma guys swear thier the best but i see them get beat all the time but its not cause of the style they use,its cause the mind frame that so many mma trainers instill in them......just like bas rutten.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali Ok. Cool story bro! Just use the first thing you learn in every martial arts: RUN RUN AND RUN.
If you actually believe you can catch a punch like its taking a stroll on the countryside, you are most likely more of a threat to yourself than anything.
But I'm sure you have ALOT of fighting experience, even MORE than Bas Rutten ,right? Specially being a bouncer etc.
ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr 1 month ago
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr your a real dumb ass you know that.your talking only impresses yourself.i wish i could personaly show you what martial arts is.you wouldnt talk so big then hard ass.go ahead and respond back about how ud kick my ass or whatever cause thats all you can do is talk.like i said you dont even know me,stop making yourself look like an idiot.you dont sound cool you sound dumb bubba.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali and what if a am a bouncer lol.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali You get angry fast. Also, please learn how to write english. I'm not trying to impress anyone at all, I'm just saying you wouldnt be able to catch Bas Ruttens punch, and if you were lucky enough to actually catch him, you would never get him down on the ground. I have been doing Goju-Ryu for 10 years + MMA. I do indeed know what martial arts is. Real life street fights and super techniques in a dojo are two completely DIFFERENT things. Ask anyone who has some real life experience.
ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr 1 month ago
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr well when you insult ppl they tend to get angry.ok you cant catch a quick jab,yeah i know this but if you catch a person sliping and throwing there body wieght around wrong witch does happen it can be done.im not saying its easy to do,im saying its possible and ive trained in martial arts for 10 years also.from 15 to 24.been in alot of fights and seen alot of fights.and its not all about catching punches.its also manipulating thier body.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali finding the right time to use a move.all moves can be done with proper timing and the correct situation.its all about whos the better man and faster thinker.there are no better arts,only better fighters.you cant disagree with that if your a real martial artist.in brazilian jiu jitsu they use wrist locks,hmmm how do they have the fighters hand if his hand cant be grabbed???proper application.aikido moves are even in mma.what else do i goda say?
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali and i dont spell well all the time,sue me.and when your done why dont you go make fun of handicap children.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali I agree. What I was saying is you cant catch a punch, not that wrist locks arent effective, but you wont get this wrist lock on a boxer. But pretty much every effective lock requires the opponent to be on the ground, so you have full control of him.
ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr 1 month ago
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr ok tell that to bj pen.your a mma guy you know how he does.does he or does he not take guys down from the pund and apply the wrist lock and if he can do,what could a real master do.these were techniques used in fudal japan for centuries,there lives depended on the stuff working in a real fight and there lives were dedicated to being able to do those moves.not catch a fist,but bypass it with you arm,make contact,then grab the wrist.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
@bassilkamali this is used heavily in wing chun method.i heard one of those famous mma guys dising wing chun saying its ineffective.this was bruce lees base style.this is the style the great ip man used so effectivly to fight for his country.no you cant catch a punch,but you can grab a wrist or hand from a thrown punch.mma guys dis all these styles that mma is made of lol.its rediculous.yeah theres moves that r impracticle but that doesnt make the whole style bad.
bassilkamali 1 month ago
4th vid now and he is still a dumbass
lelyngaunt 1 month ago
You don't win fights with philosophy.
50pushups 1 month ago
@50pushups Actually, yes you do.
NathanTheKing101 1 month ago
@50pushups You prevent fights with [philosophy, which is arguably winning. Sun Tzu, one of the greatest tacticians in recorded history was a philosopher, and he talked extensively on this. Might be a reason Why china is emerging as a super power, whie the status quo is reeling from the global negative consequences of "might makes right."
Tarclasp 1 month ago
@Tarclasp First, we are talking about a physical fight, not defusing a situation. You don't need Aikido to talk your way out of a fight, the question is will it help if you can't?
Second, China has a massive army and used it to invade Tibet, so they are hardly "winning" without fighting. China is a great example of might making right.
50pushups 2 weeks ago
I sat in my Algonquin apartment in 2008, as drunk as a skunk, listening to Bas carrying on.
Velasca 1 month ago
small joint locks are not aloud in most MMA sanctioned Sports venue. This is more then likely do to the fact that you it is very easy to break these joints with minimal amount of pressure used.
1jks 1 month ago
The main principle of Aikido is harmony. Harmony is the antithesis of violence. Violence insists struggle; imposition of will; victory and defeat. Harmony walks away from these concepts. It's about balance, and reconciling our beast nature with our intellect; our selfish nature with our concern for others. Harmony doesn't meet force with force, it absorbs it. likewise, it races to fill a vacuum.
Tarclasp 1 month ago 2
Aikido is great for learning how to move and anticipate an attack. To learn how to balance and move with your opponent. I believe all of the MMA fighters should train Aikido at a certain time and learn as much as you can from it. But Aikido won't teach you how to "fight", that's boxing, JJ...
stepperstear 1 month ago
Bas Used a lot Akido moves in his punk payback show.. that said, Akido isn't that effective in MMA by itself , it's more of a self defence - but it could work if a well rounded fighter starting using it.
pugghead 1 month ago
@pugghead Many of the philosophies in Aikido are based on using your opponents force against them. An inexperienced fighter will expose themselves in attacks making the Aikido techniques very effective. A professional MMA fighter will not leave themselves exposed as much, so Aikido techniques can be difficult. It's probably not impossible for Aikido to be successful in MMA, but it would take some doing.
gringofreestyler 1 month ago 2
@Tarclasp good post, esp. the last sentence. @Brady2k10 i agree with most of what you posted. Aikido has a slew of moves that if mastered could defend against any kind of attacks, even muay thai.
kmfiz 1 month ago
if hes a bit arrogant thats fine with me, im a bit arrogant as well, im sure we all are at times, seagal has never claimed to be an MMA fighter, so dont compare him to one, hes a martial artist not an MMA fighter and he was the first foreigner to open an aikido dojo in japan and he has a 7th dan black belt, i admire him and im proud of him opening the first dojo over there as a foreigner its a great achievement. So judge fairly, dont be ignorant, dont bash aikido or seagal
Brady2k10 1 month ago
and by fairly i mean, dont use stupid hateful vids, rumors, comments about seagal as "proof" hes an ass because imo i think people should judge someone only if they know them, alot of the stuff ive seen on seagal is taken out of context just to make him look bad, must be all the angry MMA fans who hate what he said teaching silva that kick bs get over it man, he didnt teach him it, but he did show silva how useful it could be, stop crying over it damn i like seagal and most of his movies
Brady2k10 1 month ago
so simple answer, aikido isnt effective in MMA because you have to wait for your opponent to attack before you can counter, the majority of aikido techniques are counters which a good MMA fighter will clearly know, but the average guy on the street wont know you do aikido, so he wont know you're going to use his movement against him, nor will he expect it, so stop bashing aikido MMA fans its a true martial art been around for a while show some respect as for seagal, judge people fairly
Brady2k10 1 month ago
stop bashing aikido because seagal does it, aikido is a good martial art against your average attacker dont compare it to others like karate and judo though, those are aggressive thats the thing, aikido is the way of harmony, most techniques were developed to cause as little damage to the enemy as possible, you could apply a wrist lock to cause some pain, but after the opponent submits the pain wheres off, where as in karate you'd smash his face in, thats the difference
Brady2k10 1 month ago
@Brady2k10 Judo is not an agressive Martial Art.
godverdegodverdomme 1 month ago
@godverdegodverdomme it is in my book if you are doing techniques to someone for real and they dont know how to fall, judo is the gentle art when its judokas practicing on each other, when its used in a real life self defence situation it is definately not a gentle art, its aggressive when you are grappling in a street fight and trying to pull of a judo technique, i wouldnt descibe it as gentle not when they hit the hard concrete floor after a grappling match
Brady2k10 1 month ago
@Brady2k10 The art of Judo is basically to overthrow your enemy without causing
much pain to them. It is the Judoka's responsibility when using those techniques to
guide the victim into a safe fall, and into submission. Should they refuse, limbs will
probably get broken on their own reckless account.
Judo is initially a self-defense Martial Art.
godverdegodverdomme 1 month ago
@godverdegodverdomme you dont have to tell me i know, but you lot need to look up the definition of aggressive it seems, when you are being attacked if you use judo for real its aggressive because you are grabbing them and throwing them like a ragdoll if someone is attacking you, you're not gonna throw them gently so they dont hurt themselves are you?
Brady2k10 4 weeks ago
@Brady2k10 A self-defense art can become "agressive" when the Judoka is put in
direct harms way, or someone they are trying to protect. But that is only logical,
is it not? Judo is never used to initiate attack on anyone, unless the user does not
respect the teachings.
godverdegodverdomme 1 month ago
@godverdegodverdomme i know the teachings and i respect them, you need to look up what aggressive means
Brady2k10 4 weeks ago
@Brady2k10 I know very well what agressive means, and I have used Judo in real life after being initially "tested" by a guy. I couldn't possibly be gentler and the guy instantly respected me after I kindly guided him to the ground within a second without even scratching him, he landed on concrete.
I just wanted to show him I was not to be pushed over, not ram him into oblivion.
I say Judo is not agressive unless you are forced to be agressive, but that goes for
all Martial Arts.
godverdegodverdomme 4 weeks ago
@godverdegodverdomme well thats good for you that you guided him gently down to the ground where you then proceeded to hump him oh so gently, judo the gentle way is not so gentle when i do it. If someone attacks me which they have before im not gentle with them, otherwise they can get back up and continue their assualt, i throw them full force, your meant to when its a self defence situation, but if you like the whole gentle thing thats ok with me, go be gentle together
Brady2k10 4 weeks ago
@Brady2k10 Do you have sexual identity issues? Because I'm secure enough to
use the term gentle when referring to interaction with another dude, I find your approach
to be a bit "agressive". If I am seriously assaulted, I will slam the other into oblivion
but that does not mean Judo is agressive, perhaps you need to look up the term instead
of telling others to do so.
godverdegodverdomme 4 weeks ago
@godverdegodverdomme OoOoOo your secure enough woop good for you i mean that. Judo is aggressive when used for real you retard if someone is throwing punches at me do you think im gonna stand there and gently guide them to the floor? what the fuck is this shit, obviously you've never had a real fight in your life, you dont gently guide an attacker to the floor, you finish them so they cant continue their assualt on you, there well being is not your concern
Brady2k10 4 weeks ago
@Brady2k10 It is obvious you cannot be taken serious.
As you wish, I am done with you. But don't forget this is a public place "retard"..
godverdegodverdomme 4 weeks ago
@godverdegodverdomme your talking to me like i give a shit, i dont care what you say, you're too serious about yourself stupid
Brady2k10 4 weeks ago
@Brady2k10 Sorry for giving you that impression then, but I don't give a shit wheter you
give a shit or not. I am not solely talking to to you educate your sorry ass. I am here to
demonstrate you are incorrect for all people to see. Now get lost miscreant.
godverdegodverdomme 3 weeks ago
*to you to
godverdegodverdomme 3 weeks ago
@godverdegodverdomme fuck you im right your wrong correct yourself and correct your english
Brady2k10 3 weeks ago
@godverdegodverdomme perhaps you should mind your own business in the future i wasnt talking to you
Brady2k10 4 weeks ago
Umm, I think Aikido is more like selfdefense, not a martial art. So on the street, when your opponent just want to punch you and expect nothing, you could beat him quick and easy if you've trained it. In a fight against some other martial arts (like Muay Thai for example) it isn't that useful. It's more "come quick out of dangerous situations" than "lets fight until the end" I think.
XpsyZ 1 month ago
for what aikido is, a true martial art it does work, some techniques better than others, i agree aikido could use a shakeup if people practice it for self defence, alot dont practice it for self defence, some practice to keep fit and for the spiritual side of it and just as a hobby i guess but for those going to aikido looking purely for street self defence, there are techniques that will work, but there are also quite a few that wont, but MMA fans should respect aikido as a martial art
Brady2k10 1 month ago
aikido is great for self defence, not MMA, there is a difference. Alot of Aikido techniques rely on the attackers movement, in MMA since fighters study each others styles Aikido wouldnt be as effective, i mean if i knew Aikido and my opponent knew that he would know what to expect, he wouldnt let me grab his wrist or his elg or whatever, it gives him an edge, aikido relies too much on the enemy attacking and then you countering, so its not so good in MMA but it was never developed for MMA
Brady2k10 1 month ago
The guy has about as much philosophical or cultural value as pro-biotic yogurt, whereas Aikido represents a life philosophy that aims at the betterment of society through harmony. He's a great fighter; he also comes across as a low brow thug, is a terrible example for a budding martial artist, arrogant, violent, materialistic, and distorts the value of the traditional art forms he flaunts his obvious contempt over. Aikido isn't used in mma, because it is inherently non-violent.
Tarclasp 1 month ago 2
aikido is great against people who don't know shit and leave there arms out after throwing their first and last jab.
Madorem 1 month ago
@Madorem how deep
SuperPurgatorio 1 month ago
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Tarclasp 1 month ago