My idea of Utralight is no cooker at all, especially anything to do with Gas. There is fuel all around you when you're out camping, you just need to know how to harness it.
@darkcowboyhero Cowboy, I agree 100%. But just try to tell that to poor Tom, here! I guess he'll never learn, but he's still and OK guy, despite his misconceptions about camping!!
regardless of the fuel level. Burning off the last vestiges of fuel in the old Bluet cartridges used to be frustrating and could be dangerous during hypothermia incidents, but the newer cartridges are a huge improvement, as is the use of butane vs. the, I believe propane, in the older models.
Any heat producing device except an electrical source, i.e. BBQ, gas range, kerosene heater, backpacking stove, "Coleman" stove, produces less heat at higher altitudes than at lower elevations. Small pressured canister stoves, like the one shown here, are more vulnerable to cold and altitude than other types so in winter conditions the canisters must go into the sleeping bag at night and insulated the remainder. Low fuel canisters used to be a big problem, but newer canisters can be changed
@retiredranger1999 Guilty! This was absolutely a big, wasteful fire..I have no excuse except to explain that we were just a bunch of oldfarts doing a Saturday night campout in a cabin shelter. Sure, we'd walked in a couple of miles, but this was not a "leave no trace" wilderness outing. All I can say is that it was lots of fun and we didn't leave the site in any worse condition that we found it. In fact we did "police the area" before we left and carried out a bit of junk.
By the way ultralight is not being represented here just portable stoves. Ultralight is something entirely different and the butane stove shown would be far too heavy. I prefer white gas in most conditions, but in the winter I carry a butane stove. I have a large vestibule on my winter tent, but the use of a white gas stove and a possible flare up makes me uncomfortable. However, you have to put the cartridges in the sleeping bag with you or the stoves will not work correctly. Any heat . .
conditions with nearly 100% snow cover in heavy wet snow storms. I'll count on the stove, an good sleeping bag, a wool layer, and an excellent tent over any fire when survival is at stake. Knowing how to start one when the chips are down is essential if fuel runs out. In survival mode the more options the better.
, or should I say, one of the greatest and long term adverse impact on the wilderness environment. The ethic is not the "ultralight ethic" that is not being followed here, but the "leave no trace ethic." I've been in many situations where a stove, white gas spring/winter/fall and butane in the winter, has made a huge difference in comfort and safety, and perhaps has been a factor in saving a life or two in about 40 years of backpacking. Don't get me wrong, I've lit some fires in some tough . .
I've lived and worked with native american people for much of my life so I hope no one will take this comment the wrong way as a couple of native american men where the first to share this expression, "white man fire." It is widely used by those of us in the natural resource management business. As explained to me it is "Indian make small fire and lay close to it to stay warm, white man build big fire so have to stand way back and freeze ass off." Shown here is a white man fire. Fires have the
Well as I always say and I stick by this, "You Can't Take It To The Cemetery With You So Enjoy The Things Of Life Now" including the woods as well as the citylife ( if you need to lug a big pot into the woods with you to cook some creme brulee' by all means go ahead and enjoy yourself in the woods as well as anywhere else on this planet, (no rules), period.
@johnmonk66 Hey, Tom truly is a great guy...even though he worships in the church of heavy camping gear. So we never talk about camping gear....just politics!
perhaps backpacking of any weight class should be of the "leave no trace" variety... and i think burning a huge log (and not even capturing any of the released energy) is neither efficient or "trace-less"
In 1973, I bought SIGG Tourister cookset, stove support and windscreen to put my Svea 123 in. I made very few backpack trips with it. Now I am building a kit on the Ultralight theme, and hoping to get out more frequently.
Thats funny!
ReeperzOutdoors 4 months ago
@ReeperzOutdoors Well, Tom's a funny guy!
djbarryiii 3 months ago
damn big fire haha
zsxwrsd 6 months ago
@zsxwrsd Those darn heavyweight campers must be to blame!!
djbarryiii 6 months ago
I've started hiking completely naked. It has shaved two pounds off.
zerk54 7 months ago 16
@zerk54 I can now see that your really are a gram weany...in more ways than one!
djbarryiii 7 months ago
@djbarryiii Ouch, man!
zerk54 7 months ago
@zerk54 Just kidding!
djbarryiii 7 months ago
My idea of Utralight is no cooker at all, especially anything to do with Gas. There is fuel all around you when you're out camping, you just need to know how to harness it.
darkcowboyhero 9 months ago
@darkcowboyhero Cowboy, I agree 100%. But just try to tell that to poor Tom, here! I guess he'll never learn, but he's still and OK guy, despite his misconceptions about camping!!
djbarryiii 9 months ago
regardless of the fuel level. Burning off the last vestiges of fuel in the old Bluet cartridges used to be frustrating and could be dangerous during hypothermia incidents, but the newer cartridges are a huge improvement, as is the use of butane vs. the, I believe propane, in the older models.
Enjoy, and keep on walking!
retiredranger1999 10 months ago
@retiredranger1999 Interesting.
djbarryiii 10 months ago
Any heat producing device except an electrical source, i.e. BBQ, gas range, kerosene heater, backpacking stove, "Coleman" stove, produces less heat at higher altitudes than at lower elevations. Small pressured canister stoves, like the one shown here, are more vulnerable to cold and altitude than other types so in winter conditions the canisters must go into the sleeping bag at night and insulated the remainder. Low fuel canisters used to be a big problem, but newer canisters can be changed
retiredranger1999 10 months ago
@retiredranger1999 Guilty! This was absolutely a big, wasteful fire..I have no excuse except to explain that we were just a bunch of oldfarts doing a Saturday night campout in a cabin shelter. Sure, we'd walked in a couple of miles, but this was not a "leave no trace" wilderness outing. All I can say is that it was lots of fun and we didn't leave the site in any worse condition that we found it. In fact we did "police the area" before we left and carried out a bit of junk.
djbarryiii 10 months ago
By the way ultralight is not being represented here just portable stoves. Ultralight is something entirely different and the butane stove shown would be far too heavy. I prefer white gas in most conditions, but in the winter I carry a butane stove. I have a large vestibule on my winter tent, but the use of a white gas stove and a possible flare up makes me uncomfortable. However, you have to put the cartridges in the sleeping bag with you or the stoves will not work correctly. Any heat . .
retiredranger1999 10 months ago
conditions with nearly 100% snow cover in heavy wet snow storms. I'll count on the stove, an good sleeping bag, a wool layer, and an excellent tent over any fire when survival is at stake. Knowing how to start one when the chips are down is essential if fuel runs out. In survival mode the more options the better.
retiredranger1999 10 months ago
, or should I say, one of the greatest and long term adverse impact on the wilderness environment. The ethic is not the "ultralight ethic" that is not being followed here, but the "leave no trace ethic." I've been in many situations where a stove, white gas spring/winter/fall and butane in the winter, has made a huge difference in comfort and safety, and perhaps has been a factor in saving a life or two in about 40 years of backpacking. Don't get me wrong, I've lit some fires in some tough . .
retiredranger1999 10 months ago
I've lived and worked with native american people for much of my life so I hope no one will take this comment the wrong way as a couple of native american men where the first to share this expression, "white man fire." It is widely used by those of us in the natural resource management business. As explained to me it is "Indian make small fire and lay close to it to stay warm, white man build big fire so have to stand way back and freeze ass off." Shown here is a white man fire. Fires have the
retiredranger1999 10 months ago
Well as I always say and I stick by this, "You Can't Take It To The Cemetery With You So Enjoy The Things Of Life Now" including the woods as well as the citylife ( if you need to lug a big pot into the woods with you to cook some creme brulee' by all means go ahead and enjoy yourself in the woods as well as anywhere else on this planet, (no rules), period.
afterthefox7 10 months ago 4
@afterthefox7 AMEN!
djbarryiii 10 months ago
if you don't have an 80 lbs bag for a 2 day hike you didn't pack enough. or so says the wife.
Popeye1117 11 months ago
@Popeye1117 Right...but I've known a couple of women who've gone ultralight after having to carry half of an 80 lb. load for a few days!
djbarryiii 11 months ago
So Tom is wrong because he doesn't backpack your way? He seems to be surviving just fine. Keep doing it the way you want to do it Tom.
johnmonk66 1 year ago
@johnmonk66 Hey, Tom truly is a great guy...even though he worships in the church of heavy camping gear. So we never talk about camping gear....just politics!
djbarryiii 1 year ago
perhaps backpacking of any weight class should be of the "leave no trace" variety... and i think burning a huge log (and not even capturing any of the released energy) is neither efficient or "trace-less"
HydeMyJekyll 1 year ago
In 1973, I bought SIGG Tourister cookset, stove support and windscreen to put my Svea 123 in. I made very few backpack trips with it. Now I am building a kit on the Ultralight theme, and hoping to get out more frequently.
borderraven 2 years ago
I can imagine Tom being inundated by criticism of how heavy his equipment is--when hiking with a guru such as yourself! Ha ha.
kc7fys 2 years ago
Tom is a treasure whom I tolerate despite his faulty views on camping.
djbarryiii 2 years ago