Hitler was such a complete cretin. How could he have ever imagined to have won this particular battle; particularly, in the useless, and unimaginative manner in which he conducted it: via Von Paulus. God they were so both stupid!
And, what a such of an unbelievable waste of space, Hitler was.
and because of how war benefits the United States, it is only logical that we douse ourselves in another war in times of economic crisis because that would also bolster our economy
I'm sick and tired of Canadians, Americans and Brits talking about D-day and the battle of the Bulge like they were THE battles of WW2. D-day was peanuts compared to Stalingrad, Kursk and other Eastern front battles. Also, the fighting in the East was savage to the extreme; horrible weather, zero laws, no prisoners and no mercy for civilians. The Eastern front was probably the largest and bloodiest battle of human history.
Agreed! The only thing that D-day did was prevent the Russians from going all the way into France. If not for the USA's entry into the war, the Soviets would of gobbled every territory that Germany had it's hands on in all of Europe. The Soviets would of defeated the Germans sooner or later-- American entry into the war just made it sooner. Look at Soviet production rates compared to German ones.... they had them beat.
WWII tactics of the US: sell overpriced weapons to the UK until it cannot afford more, then intervene and cleanup. Germany should have invaded Britain, then Russia ... made Japan create a second front in the east and not made Italy an ally. Without the Japanese or US intervention in the war, we would all speak Russian ... and be communists ;-)
Disagree. Without USA in the war the Soviets would not have won. Don't forget the 600,000 heavy trucks we sent the Soviets that allowed them to gear up just for tank production and got them truely mobile for supply. We got off comparatively lightly in casualties true. Capitalism makes money, no? Our share of global GDP went from 30 to 60% after the war. Now its at approx 40%. Can't let a good crisis go to waste. Of course we made money, but victory was a major team effort on all sides.
Without the Soviet effort in the east no American or British force makes it a shore in France. The Germans would have been at full capacity and not pulled away in the east. Sure, the minor American aid helped the Soviets but the last time I checked a 'heavy truck' did not shoot, bleed, sweat or show courage. Complete nonesense! The Soviets won the Second World War and were the number one reason why the Germans were defeated. It is time to give credits where credit it due.
@TurnerEckhardt Correct, but the deuce and 1/2 did put the red army on wheels for logistics which was just behind the red soldiers tenacity and courage in importance. It "helped" immensly to keep up with the hammer blows the red army hit the germans with. Let the soviet factories concentrate almost soley on tanks which were the best in the world. A TEAM effort, but yes, the red army did the most of the dying and killing of the germans. They get all kinds of credit from me.
"they use gangster methods"...nazis complaining savagery when they're the invading force, ovens full of people...fucking idiots, we should've nuked Germany, too.
Many thanks to damoosebelly for posting this material and inspiring such passionate discussion. Maybe the commentors could cite a source or provide a reference to substantiate their assertions. It is sad how quickly these posts devovle into name calling, which is not debate nor communication. I realize it is a lot to ask of the average YouTuber, but maybe we could try to keep it rational? Thanks again damoosebelly!
Less than 10% of Soviet war supplies came from America or Britain and most of those supplies came from 1943 to 1945. The reality is it was not really much of a "team effort". Approximately 80% of German losses in men and material were on the Eastern front, and the Wermacht of 1941-1943 was not the Wermacht the British and Americans faced 1944-1945.
@lakotausa It mattered that if the western powers wanted any say in the way Europe was to be divided up then yes it matters. From the point of view that the U.S. did not want Russia to dominate all of Europe and leave England on its own yes it mattered. From this point of view it definitely mattered. Imagine a the world if the Soviets had all of control Europe during the cold war? The point is Germany was going to be defeated by the Soviets with or with the West.
@calripson, No, the USA supplied the USSR with 40-60% of the TNT etc. explosives used in Arty., tank etc. shells, ~440,000 all-wheel drive trucks & jeeps that the USSR badly needed (USSR produced between 110 - 220,000 trucks, different figures available), enough aircraft & armor to make a large impact (4 out of the 6 top USSR aces flew USA planes during at least part of their service), ~1,000,000 tons of armor plate, up to 1.5-million miles of field telephone cable, uniforms, excellent boots,
@calripson The war supplies that came in had been more of a help when the Soviets had been already shifting the mode from defence to invasion. When the german tanks were rolling on to capture Moscow, where were the western allies ? When Chuikov's men were fighting attack after attack in the Ruins of stalnigrad, where were the allies ? By D-day, the Germans had been weakened considerably, and thanks to the efforts of Red army, that Germans couldn't station significant forces in the west.
Good effort on behalf of the Russians. Unfortunately they didn't realize Stalin was going against the Leninist communist ideals by killing his people and would later be a scar to Mother Russia's prestige. For the US, who lost less than a 100th of a percent of people than Russia, this is was OK. No, the US didn't send troops to help Russia, it watched from a distance while the two countries ripped each other apart. The US didn't care who won because whom ever the victor it would go after them.
@Shafeone American Brawn?? Are you kidding? The Yanks showed up too late to actually do any good. The russians stopped the Nazis, and the Canadians liberated Holland,, and as for the states,,,,revisionist war history.
@36e28993 Hmmm. A little anti-Americanism there? Must suck not being one of us. Anyhoo, it IS too bad there were no Americans at n. Africa, Sicily, Salerno, Cassino, Anzio, Utah Beach, Omaha Beach, the Normandy Breakout, The Saar, The Bulge, crossing the Rhine, etc. And it's too bad that we didn't employ thousands of aircraft to blanket the sky and wipe out the Luftwaffe in the west while at the same time supplying the Russians with THOUSANDS of aircraft. millions of tons of supplies, etc.
@36e28993 And of course at the same time we weren't fighting the Nazis, we also weren't the Japanese at Bataan, Corregidor, Coral Sea, Midway, Guadalcanal, Savo Island, Bougainville, Kwajelein, Eniwetok, Cape Gloucster, Buna, Aitape, Hollandia, Tarawa, Siapain, Tinian, Guam, Peleliu, Leyte, Luzon, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc. 8:10 Wehrmacht were killed by Russians yes. But as we fought TWO wars I think to say we were "too late" is not even historical revisionism...just crass anti-American b.s.
@STOPTHEEU Actually the liberation of Holland was due to the Canadians. This is a point I stand strongly behind. We as Canadians receive thousands of tulip bulbs from Holland, that we plant in Ottawa. We celebrate tis as "The tulip Fest." all the tulips are planted along the Rideau Canal. I was ignorant in saying the Yanks did very little. They did their share, and lost men as all allied countries did. My bad, my apologies to the U.S.
@36e28993 Well let me just say this is not an attack on the American people but the American government never intended to enter the war. America profited from the war! The only reason the U.S. did enter the war was because they were forced too.
Hitler declared war on the USA!
Okay yes the USA did provide supplies to Britain and Russia but only on loan.
The British loan has been paid off. However a lot of American companies helped the Nazis. Ford, Coca cola, Texaco and many more.
@36e28993 Oh and as for the liberation of Holland I was not saying that the Canadians were not involved. Far from it! I just think you should watch A bridge too far! :-)
@STOPTHEEU A bridge too far,,I have heard of it. I love old war movies. It's refreshing to actually talk to someone on the net without arguing. Thanks for the movie suggestion. I'll try to download it now.
@36e28993 That film is based on the liberation of Holland.
There are a lot of great classic British war films.
The guns of Navarone.
The Battle of Britain
The Dam busters
Theres also a lot of American films of British battles which haven't really been created in the fairest way because all the actors have American accents and it gives people the delusion that they were American battles.....
But yeh! There is also a few German films like Das Boot! :D
@1Mafioso4 At this stage more than likely death for both.
At this stage the chances of any of these men on either side surviving until the battle for Berlin is negligible. Even those who were captured had a tiny chance of survival for both sides.
is not the same talking of war than fighting a war, i saw some 2 -3 men get kill, i hate war, i wish politic to fight the war, not ordinary people, groups of people make war for their interest and poor people fight their war, both side soldiers get kill, they are kill by the elite of the world that makes war just for get kill each other, i want to see the end of all war, i dont want to see more war.
Follow a timeline of WW2 and you will see that the Soviets had already halted the deepest penetration of the Wehrmacht to the suburbs of Moscow and were preparing a massive counter offensive against the suffering Wehrmacht within weeks of Jap attack on Pearl Harbor. By the time the USA had begun building its army and the weapons needed to put our new conscripts into the field the Soviets had ALREADY stopped the Wehrmacht dead in its tracks!
(part 2)- Soviets could have, and would have defeated Germany with or without American help. USA got RICH and tripled our GNP due to WW2. The War made us the most powerful country in the world without suffering significant casualties. The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans protected our civilians and industry quite well from the Axis forces. WW2 was the greatest thing that ever happened to the USA's economy. USA's GNP equalled the rest of the world's economies combined by 1949 thanks to WW2.
@randy95023 The reason the wall was built in Germany after the war was to keep the allies from looting everything. The Soviets suffered much more than the allies, and felt they should have most of the call of what happened to Germany after the war.
@rocksoliddude1 - You Brits held up admirably against the Nazis. After Dunkirk you dug in and awaited what could have been a horrific invasion. There's never been a finer effort put forth by ANY Air Force than that of the RAF during 1940! Sometimes I actually feel guilty that the USA and USSR stole so much of the glory that rightfully belonged to the UK. You guys lost your empire and your civilians suffered horribly yet you retained your quiet dignity. God Bless the UK!
@randy95023 that you brother, france was a failure and it was left to us to defend our soil just as the soviet union did. most of the lory goes to the soviet union but we bouht you time and damaged the luftwaffe. i agree with you that the USSR could have won on their own but the alliance meant that the war ended sooner and probably with less deaths
@randy95023, USA didn't profit from Lend Lease & forgave most of other nations' debt. I believe only Britain, Denmark & Norway ever paid back the full amount. The USSR paid back a good amount of its monetary debt & Pres. GW Bush forgave the remainder of the debt. USA entered a recession at the end of WWII as did many other nations as many war factories were closed, downsized, & converted to back to civilian production. Stalin attempted to contact Hitler near the end of 1941 to make a truce.
@christof - Yeah, the USA didn't make their money off of "Lend Lease". We made it from our industrial base expanding more than 5 fold due to wartime requirements. Our recession following the war was not too bad and it only took a couple of years to get our men back working. Look at an almanac at the USA's GNP figures from 1939 to 1950. We got rich alright and it wasn't because we sold military goods to our allies. About 1/2 of the growth was "inflationary" which kept our national debt low.
@randy95023, The recession wasn't that bad but bad enough for those people that got 'recessed'. Same thing occurred after the Korean War. Overall the economy just kept growing like you state. More cars, trucks, aircraft for civilian use, government contracts of varied sorts, housing, IOTW, the good old days.
@randy95023, One of the greatest tasks to be achieved in WWII is when the USSR managed to evacuate a good portion of its industry & put some of the smaller factories back into operation under the open sky in ~3-months. Larger factories were hard to setup again & took more time to do so. One of the 1st things the USA & maybe Britain sent to the USSR was machine tools etc. to get the factories goind again.
@randy95023 yeah, we know, u're fucking chicken, u sat and hide. Second front in 1944, bitch? we said to : open it faster, we said it since 1941, u opened it when we has already kicked german ass. And u know what? FUCK U!
USA/Britain and their Allies Jumped on board towards the end of the war (Summer of '44) just to assure that the Soviets didn't wind up controlling ALL of Europe. We didn't want a Soviet Occupied Paris. Follow a timeline of the war and you will see that the Soviets had paid in blood for the defeat of the Wehrmacht. USA got RICH building armaments, but our total casualties were less than 1/2 of Soviet Casualties suffered in the Ukraine alone in '41!
continued- US troops were good, brave soldiers but were barely involved in the defeat of Germany when compared to the Soviet Union. Hollywood and US History books would show you that WE (the USA) "won the war" but it was in fact Soviet troops and Soviet Blood that defeated the Wehrmacht. I don't want to belittle the bravery of the US and British, but I do want to give credit to where credit is due. Soviet troops paid the price for victory and USA got RICH building the materials needed...
I really enjoyed the Band Of Brothers and The Pacific TV series but Speilberg and Hanks should make a drama documentary about the Eastern Front from 1941-45. That was the REAL war after all.
@TheDevilsBit - You are SO right about the Eastern Front. 80% of WW2 fighting for the Wehrmacht was in the East. Total casualties in the East were horribly higher than anywhere in the west. Total American, British, Canadian, Aussie, French and other allied casualties were insignificant when compared to Soviet casualties in just the 1st year of "their" war. Leningrad alone cost Soviets more lives than total US/British casualties in the entire war.
Germans had a lot of precious panzers, infantry divisions and artillery guns tied up defending thousands of miles of Europe coast from the Bay of Biscay all the way to Scandinavia from 1940 to 1944. When Mussolini's government collapsed the Germans were forced to invade Italy and send badly needed combat units to man the defensive lines. German forces and their 88mm guns defending German cities would have been useful on the Eastern front.
@rdv040 You sound like Goebbels. Sure communism turned out to be an ineffective totalitarian form of government, but the Fascists (especially the Nazis) were worse.
Hitler was helped by the so called "democratic" west in order to help them destroying the USSR, do the dirty work for them, and at the same time to weaken Germany. Hitler have other ideas though. When he secured his western flank, then he went for the USSR where the REAL war occurred.
The Second Front, was opened by the west, only to STOP THE RED ARMY, already in his way to defeat Germany, to ever reach the Atlantic!
These are the facts, the rest is Western Propaganda and russophobic politics
@rosaldicas So what are you saying? that the west shouldnt have opened a front? cause if they didn't. russia would had to deal with the entire force of the german army. Better equipped, better trained, better organised and way more effective in combat. If all there forces would have been concetrated on the eastern front, russia would have never reached berlin. never.
@Jim2529 No you don't understand russia was facing the entire German force during operation barbarossa and at Stalingrad. Germany and there allies threw everything they had in trying to defeat the soviet union and they still couldn't defeat them. The fact is Russia had a far superior military compared to Germany and the US didn't even need to invade on the west, the war was already won by the soviets.
that is not true!! the british only stopped paying pack the loan in the late 1990's ( it think could have been early 200) but paid it back and in full.... as finland was one of the few to full pay russia its war rep money... the russians stripped finland clean for nearly 20 years
NO ONE would have win this war with out helping each other with out the americans russia would have take berlin but would the russians kill the other part of the nazi army. dont think so and japan? nah the american and the other countries helped a lot ok they kill 20% of the nazi army + the japanese army. so stop saying that america would have win this war by themselves or russia couldnt have win by themselves.... they were allies. they had to support each other thats why they win
Britain and France went to war in 1939 because of a promise made to Poland that if any country invaded Poland that they would protect Poland and declare war on the invaders this promise was kept to an extent but what most people forget is that Russia also invaded Poland in 1939 so therefore why did the Allies (Britain and France) only declare war on Nazi Germany not both powers or only Russia?
@davery1234 Not only Russia? - The declaration of war by Britain and France against Germany came long before Russian troops entered Poland// Why
not both? - It would have been stupid to make an enemy of the only real threat to Germany in the east while fighting them in the west. - A treaty is one thing, national survival something else.
Britain and France went to war in 1939 because of a promise made to Poland that if any country invaded Poland they would declare war on thge invaders the allies (Britain and France) kept this promise where Nazi Germany was concerned but what most people forget is that Russia also invaded Poland in 1939 so why did the allies not declare war on both or only Russia instead Of Germany?
it was a team effort. with out the russians we could not beat the nazis. with out the usa giving arms and wepons to russia we could not beat the nazis. and with the u.k staying in the fight alone their would have bean no base to invade france and beat the nazis. so why are all the allies arguing now on this page?
@spudnick3490 Im very sorry my freind I thought you was being funny like 99% of people making comments on youtube. you aint seen no docs or talk of russians useing american arms prob because the cold war followed ww2 but if you look close when watching footage of ww2 you will see many times russians driving american trucks and with american arms.
We could never have beat germany with out the help of russia that is a fact. People dont like to admit that but if the german was not fighting in russia and was all in west europe do you really belive the allies could have landed on france? all the best units of the nazis were in russia so d day we had to face 2nd and 3rd rate units.
ok i dont have to argue with you anymore, ur just another person who doesn't know alot about Eastern Front, i dont blame u because many people dont any anything about EAST
It also gives me big bloody chills when i think what Hilter thought that the only way to defeat and keep Russia was to exterminate "90%" of the Russian population.
In Stalingrad Nazi-Germany's soldiers were reduced to fighting for a stupid elevator ... couldn't they just take the stairs ... the lazy bastards ...
Those 30 days that GREECE delayed Barbarossa where EXTREMELY IMPORTANT because if Hitler armies where at November and not at December out of Moscow they would have conquered it. That is why Winston Churchill said: «We will not say thereafter that the Greeks fight like heroes, but heroes fight like the Greeks! »
P.S What Turkey did instead? He helped Hitler like he did in World War I. You must be shamed... at least.
Don't Stupid. The USA start the War. With operation "Young" and "Daves", Wall street support 130 billion Mac for Nazi in 1933-1938, and 30 million USD for Hitler's rise of Power in 1933
Stalin and his USSR helped with raw material Hitler to make his armies and also with the Molotov-Rimpentrop pact they helped him start the war.
Off course the brave Russian people who was a VICITM OF STALIN did sacrifices but it was the Allies and especially Great Britain and the United States of America who won the war. They also helped the Soviet Union in it's effort.
And a small detail. Not to forget small but brave people like the heros of Greece that gain time for USSR by delaying Hitler!
lol the heroes of Greece? What, did they hold out for like 30 days? lol
The US helped the USSR considerably, donating no less than 500,000 trucks alone, not to mention immeasurable tons of high explosive for their famous artillery shell barrages. The USSR would not have won without the assistance of the west
yes, the US supplied the USSR greatly and the US and Britain's bombing of germany was very important.
but you can't ignore the fact that 80% of german deaths were on the eastern front. by the time d-day was launched, the Reds were halfway to Berlin. The allies won the war together, but the USSR contributed the most to the defeat of Germany.
@nath6644 Yes, and the USSR also suffered the most, not only because of Stalin's decimation ot Red Army officers, but also because of faulty defense plans and his paranoiac disbelief of Western intelligence reports warning him of imminent attack.
@nath6644 You have too look at world war 2 as a set of wars.
Battle of Britain, Russian front, Normandy, Africa, Pacific etc etc.
Its impossible to say who did the most in WW2 unless you devide it up!
Let us imagine that Britain had never won the Battle of Britain!
The USA would have never come into the war. what would have happened to the British Empire? In this case Perhaps Hitler would have been more sucessfull in operation Barbarosa?
i disagree, the Soviets "did the most" in every way. they bore the brunt of the german army, turned the tide at Moscow, Stalingrad and Kursk and suffered the greatest losses. the contributions of Britain and the US, while significant, don't compare with the soviet union.
westeners are scared to admit that the russians won the war because that would mean that the germans weren't beaten by democracy, but by a totalitarian, communist state.
@nath6644 I really dont know about that honestly. Look at what the americans and brits did. Did they do it on a scale as the russians, maybe. Look at N. Africa, Sicily, then Italy, France. and then the bombing campaigns, small raids the deceptions. Everything put into it.
@nath6644 ummm no sorry your very wrong. Yes the soviets did a good job helping to defeat germany, as a matter of fact they would have never beaten them by them selves at all if it wasnt for the allies. And you can not say that hitler and the winter are mere excuses when they are not. Thats your excuse to make it seem as if the russians defeated the germans all by themselves, when simply isnt the truth. Hitlers poor decisions and the russians outnumbering them are true facts and not excuses!
hitlers poor decisions may be a fact, but the outnumbering is not so.
i you look at the number of active troops in the field, the soviets only start really outnumbering them in 1944 when the germans were already in full retreat in the east.
the soviets didnt help the allies win, the allies helped the soviets defeat germany.
@nath6644 What are you talking about? With out each other germany would never have been beaten. As soon as the germans defeated the soviets it woulda turned and made england mincemeat. The soviets outnumbered the germans no matter wat, the soviets were on home turf. And also in the beggining the soviets had better tanks.
@MarineInfantry00 What are you talking about? With out each other germany would never have been beaten. As soon as the germans defeated the soviets it woulda turned and made england mincemeat. The soviets outnumbered the germans no matter wat, the soviets were on home turf. And also in the beggining the soviets had better tanks.
@MarineInfantry00 Why Didn't they make "mincemeat" of us first then? Hmmm?
Its because Britons have balls. You Americans just wanted to profit from the war until you were forced to fight. If it wasn't for pearl harbor you'd of stayed out.
@IcyScythe Well you have a point but not as strong a point as you may think.
The Nazis did conquer islands you know? Its not impossible to conquer an island. Its just impossible to conquer Britain. Well no ones managed too since 1066....
Does America have a record like that? Nearly 1000 years?
Do you realise the amount of materials that the US loaned the USSR? Without that and the extra coal oil etc the USSR would have been hammered. The US gave them massive material support without which the USSR would not have survived. The ussr payed in blood but the US payed in materials.
This has to be said as well....the majority of transport used by russian generals toward the end of stalingrad were all american,food,munitions all american! Its ironic considering the 50 year cold war that followed
thats bull shit we could have entered berlin berlin weeks before the Soviets. but stalin insisted that he took berlin so we let him. the USSR got their ass kicked, i took the germans a year to advance 500 miles into the USSR.
You contradict yourself! You say that Americans were fighting in the Pacific and the British in Africa (the Pacific too) yet you say the war was over by the time of the Normandy invasion. There is a reason it is called a World War you know. Yes Russia was the deciding factor when it came to Germany but if my history is correct the War didn't end with the surrender of Germany. Russia was fighting on one single front. The US and Britian were fighting on two to three.
@TR3Y4LI4E well the Russians only have themselves to blame their tactics were to run in at full force. No matter what the enemy had. Most of the Russian soldiers had no weapons. No wonder so many died.
you are correct Tr3Y the soviets were getting their ass kicked by the germans until the US entered the picture and heres why.
When the US entered the war hitler was afraid that his foothold on Normandy and Europe was in danger. so he took a good number of tanks and troops from army group center and north to reinforce normandy and Europe
The Russian Red Army was heroic and brave and the tide of the war turned long before D-Day. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but noone is entitled to their own facts.
@lancer89032 You are only partially correct. Stalin was desperate for the allied invasion of Europe to begin in order to alleviate German resistance on the Eastern front.
You should read more (Yalta Conference?) and post less platitudes.
@beautydaddy Oh Please... Stalin was not desperate after the battles at Stalingrad and especially after the huge defeat of the German army at the battle of Kursk. The fall of Germany was inevitable and your hatred of communism blinds you to the truth. Compare the total American, British and French casualties to those of Russia. Russia kicked Germany's ass and to believe anything else is pure fantasy on your part.
@lancer89032 russian casualties were catastrophic because they had the men to send in over and over again.... stalin demanded not one step back! or be shot! stalin was desperate for a western invasion since the beginning of 1940!
@lancer89032 i hate to agree with beautydaddy,but it's true,there were so much pressure on the soviets,and if the brits and the russians are really allies,then the brits n the allies should put more pressure on the west,however hard the brits n its allies do their best,the allies couldnt do much pressure on the west,..
@lancer89032 thus,stalin made up his mind,and believed that he and the red army can win this war,with or without the help from the west,thats why when the big 3 were planning they're final assault on germany,stalin would not agree on joint assault...
@beautydaddy i hate to agree with you but it is true,but again,stalin and the red army endured the unendurable and proved that they are too much for the nazis to handle.although,in fact,stalin knew the allies cant really start any invasion in the west,as long the u-boats are threat on the atlantic.
@beautydaddy and stalin used this idea/propaganda that the allies are not doing much on the west and it is the red who are doing all the job of fighting the nazis.true,but stalin used it as a propaganda to raise morale for his troops and make them believe that the fate of the world lies on them,and the allies are not needed
@lancer89032 The Soviet Union won that war on the Eastern Front, there is no doubt about it, and sufficiently debilitated Germany so that the Western Powers cuold weaken her further, but, you are absolutely right, facts are facts: the USSR's participation was vital to the war effort...VITAL.
@MarineInfantry00 Actually it is. Hitler gave up on operation Sealion and had lost three quarters of his Luftwaffel. This was the turning point. For the first time people realized the Nazis were not invincible.
@STOPTHEEU Yeah he gave up on it cause operation barbarossa was in his mind. That was not the turning point at all period. That was before america took it part in the war. Goering screwed that all up by switching targets from military to civilian, he had the brits on their knees. And it would have happened had goering not been stupid and actually knew what he was doing. An I dont recall saying the bombing raids were small at all.
@MarineInfantry00 One place the British were not was on their knees. British people were in skies, putting out fires, putting buckets of sand over lit incendiary bombs, At sea, Helping the resistances in Europe, In Africa, In Asia, In Tube stations or in coffins.
Where the hell were you Americans for them years? In McDonalds.
On our Knees? WE HAD NO TIME TO BE ON OUR KNEES!
The turning point of ww2 was the Battle of Britain. Watch this /watch?v=7lgzPpr-z1c
@MarineInfantry00 I duno where that reply is on here but anyway. I know Mcdonalds wasnt around then.... It was a joke.
The thing is that Britain wouldn't have had too invade at all. It wasn't just the invasion that won the war anyway.
The thing is conquering a nation is one thing. Holding it is another.
If we had supplied the resistance of each of the nations as we had been doing that would have done enough damage. The problem is the Soviets would have probably taken far more!
@STOPTHEEU Yes I know it was a joke and negative the soviets wouldnt have taken shit cause britan would have been contained and the Germans would have controlled europe.And when I said britian was on it knees i ment it was close to collaspe. if the RAF was finished off there was nothing standing in germanys way to invade, or just to contain them. The germans wouldnt have had to invade.
@MarineInfantry00 Well if the USA hadn't joined the war it would have little or no effect on the RAF. The RAF won against the Nazis in the Battle of Britain and even after than we were producing aircraft twice as fast as the Nazis. The Nazis were producing better and faster aircraft because of their work on wonder weapons where as our complete input went into producing and improving what we already had!
The Nazis had no chance of taking Russia when the winter set in.
@STOPTHEEU maybe if they were properly winterized, THEN they might have had the chance... too bad the german public knew Hitler was in his own little fantasy world and decided to do nothing about it...
@MarineInfantry00 Germany had the majority of Europe but most of the people in Nazi occupied Europe were against them. That makes it virtually impossible too hold the territories. We know that from our own experience with the Empire!
The resistance around occupied Europe fighting like the Americans in the revolutionary war + The Soviets + Britain & her empire....
Germany would have lost but maybe the war would have lasted longer..
@MarineInfantry00 However I am glad that the USA did come into the war because ending the war as soon as possible had become Britain's top priority. The Jews wanted us too attempt too bomb the train lines or crematoria of Auschwitz. We refused too do so because of that priority.
Thus...
USA entering the war probably took at least 2 years off the war. The PEOPLE save from the camps because of that 2 years. =D
Notice I said PEOPLE? Thats because there were many non Jews also killed.
@STOPTHEEU Yes i Know there were many non- jews that were in the camps. Did you also know hitler had Jew SS battalions and muslim, russian, french, italian, and many others?
@pretzelberg What kind of moron am I, obvisiouly one who knows more than you and reads more and knows his history, yes bitch fuckin Jewish SS Battalions i didnt fuckin studder! Look it up Tard!
listening to all the glorified statements on this vid orated by Olivier, you'd think the russian army was worth a damn. Everyone knows that in a straight up fight and no western theatre of war, germany routs the russians, hands down.
Hitler was such a complete cretin. How could he have ever imagined to have won this particular battle; particularly, in the useless, and unimaginative manner in which he conducted it: via Von Paulus. God they were so both stupid!
And, what a such of an unbelievable waste of space, Hitler was.
ROYALWAND 1 year ago
and because of how war benefits the United States, it is only logical that we douse ourselves in another war in times of economic crisis because that would also bolster our economy
tf88888888 1 year ago
I'm sick and tired of Canadians, Americans and Brits talking about D-day and the battle of the Bulge like they were THE battles of WW2. D-day was peanuts compared to Stalingrad, Kursk and other Eastern front battles. Also, the fighting in the East was savage to the extreme; horrible weather, zero laws, no prisoners and no mercy for civilians. The Eastern front was probably the largest and bloodiest battle of human history.
maddingo12 1 year ago
Agreed! The only thing that D-day did was prevent the Russians from going all the way into France. If not for the USA's entry into the war, the Soviets would of gobbled every territory that Germany had it's hands on in all of Europe. The Soviets would of defeated the Germans sooner or later-- American entry into the war just made it sooner. Look at Soviet production rates compared to German ones.... they had them beat.
maddingo12 1 year ago
@bhasinuscuscable Shut your mouth you piece of shit. Soviets wouldn't have survived without U.S. and British aid.
Agamemnon862 1 year ago
But why all of these things??? Why you have Germans done it??? Pole
lukaszpjanus1 1 year ago
WWII tactics of the US: sell overpriced weapons to the UK until it cannot afford more, then intervene and cleanup. Germany should have invaded Britain, then Russia ... made Japan create a second front in the east and not made Italy an ally. Without the Japanese or US intervention in the war, we would all speak Russian ... and be communists ;-)
thecarpy 1 year ago
Disagree. Without USA in the war the Soviets would not have won. Don't forget the 600,000 heavy trucks we sent the Soviets that allowed them to gear up just for tank production and got them truely mobile for supply. We got off comparatively lightly in casualties true. Capitalism makes money, no? Our share of global GDP went from 30 to 60% after the war. Now its at approx 40%. Can't let a good crisis go to waste. Of course we made money, but victory was a major team effort on all sides.
surf7lakemich1 1 year ago
@surf7lakemich1
Without the Soviet effort in the east no American or British force makes it a shore in France. The Germans would have been at full capacity and not pulled away in the east. Sure, the minor American aid helped the Soviets but the last time I checked a 'heavy truck' did not shoot, bleed, sweat or show courage. Complete nonesense! The Soviets won the Second World War and were the number one reason why the Germans were defeated. It is time to give credits where credit it due.
TurnerEckhardt 1 year ago
@TurnerEckhardt Correct, but the deuce and 1/2 did put the red army on wheels for logistics which was just behind the red soldiers tenacity and courage in importance. It "helped" immensly to keep up with the hammer blows the red army hit the germans with. Let the soviet factories concentrate almost soley on tanks which were the best in the world. A TEAM effort, but yes, the red army did the most of the dying and killing of the germans. They get all kinds of credit from me.
surf7lakemich1 1 year ago
disgusting to see the animals dead
lazarini1980 1 year ago
@lazarini1980 Duh hard to see the all dead animals because all the dead humans are blocking my view.
craigblast 1 year ago
@bhasinuscuscable spoken like an expert in sucking
ITILII 1 year ago
@bhasinuscuscable you ungrateful shit
rocksoliddude1 1 year ago
thanks for posting this! on a lighter note, does anyone else think the horse should explode at 1:58?
fuzztubeyou 1 year ago
When you sow winds you harvest storms.
Hitler ruined everything good he had done for Germany . His mental instability and megalomanica ambition drove the mad genius into the ground.
I believe that Hitler forgot that he had is equivalent in Stalin.
He totally underestimated the Georgian-Jewish peasant who outfoxed and outlived him.
The Nazis really got what they richly deserved... in the East
VIRIATO1942 1 year ago
Those russian soldiers were crazy fearless bastards.
lynch390 1 year ago
"they use gangster methods"...nazis complaining savagery when they're the invading force, ovens full of people...fucking idiots, we should've nuked Germany, too.
quicklern818 1 year ago
@quicklern818 Better still, put them in camps and gas them all. Hurts to taste your own medicine, mm?
Thecuregalore94 1 year ago
"Push here, push there!" LMAO typicial Hitler idiocy.
MRW1871 1 year ago
Many thanks to damoosebelly for posting this material and inspiring such passionate discussion. Maybe the commentors could cite a source or provide a reference to substantiate their assertions. It is sad how quickly these posts devovle into name calling, which is not debate nor communication. I realize it is a lot to ask of the average YouTuber, but maybe we could try to keep it rational? Thanks again damoosebelly!
donkette87 1 year ago
Less than 10% of Soviet war supplies came from America or Britain and most of those supplies came from 1943 to 1945. The reality is it was not really much of a "team effort". Approximately 80% of German losses in men and material were on the Eastern front, and the Wermacht of 1941-1943 was not the Wermacht the British and Americans faced 1944-1945.
calripson 1 year ago 4
@calripson so D-Day did not matter. The US entry into the war had no real net effect on the outcome of the war?
lakotausa 1 year ago
@lakotausa It mattered that if the western powers wanted any say in the way Europe was to be divided up then yes it matters. From the point of view that the U.S. did not want Russia to dominate all of Europe and leave England on its own yes it mattered. From this point of view it definitely mattered. Imagine a the world if the Soviets had all of control Europe during the cold war? The point is Germany was going to be defeated by the Soviets with or with the West.
killuminnati 1 year ago
@calripson, No, the USA supplied the USSR with 40-60% of the TNT etc. explosives used in Arty., tank etc. shells, ~440,000 all-wheel drive trucks & jeeps that the USSR badly needed (USSR produced between 110 - 220,000 trucks, different figures available), enough aircraft & armor to make a large impact (4 out of the 6 top USSR aces flew USA planes during at least part of their service), ~1,000,000 tons of armor plate, up to 1.5-million miles of field telephone cable, uniforms, excellent boots,
christof139 1 year ago
@calripson, Soviet ammo was also produced in the USA & some uranium was sent to the USSR for their nuclear weapons research, etc. etc. etc.
christof139 1 year ago
@calripson The war supplies that came in had been more of a help when the Soviets had been already shifting the mode from defence to invasion. When the german tanks were rolling on to capture Moscow, where were the western allies ? When Chuikov's men were fighting attack after attack in the Ruins of stalnigrad, where were the allies ? By D-day, the Germans had been weakened considerably, and thanks to the efforts of Red army, that Germans couldn't station significant forces in the west.
maanboy 1 year ago
Good effort on behalf of the Russians. Unfortunately they didn't realize Stalin was going against the Leninist communist ideals by killing his people and would later be a scar to Mother Russia's prestige. For the US, who lost less than a 100th of a percent of people than Russia, this is was OK. No, the US didn't send troops to help Russia, it watched from a distance while the two countries ripped each other apart. The US didn't care who won because whom ever the victor it would go after them.
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xkboxer 1 year ago
you might want to fix this video... it freezes at 8:36
carrotsRgood4you 1 year ago
thanks for posting all this =)
GaryWRNY 1 year ago
Hitler was an utter idiot at war strategy. He sacificed the entire sixth army out of foolish pride.
9Apilot 1 year ago
The old saying is that "WW2 was won with British brains, American brawn and Russian BLOOD."
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone American Brawn?? Are you kidding? The Yanks showed up too late to actually do any good. The russians stopped the Nazis, and the Canadians liberated Holland,, and as for the states,,,,revisionist war history.
36e28993 1 year ago
@36e28993 Hmmm. A little anti-Americanism there? Must suck not being one of us. Anyhoo, it IS too bad there were no Americans at n. Africa, Sicily, Salerno, Cassino, Anzio, Utah Beach, Omaha Beach, the Normandy Breakout, The Saar, The Bulge, crossing the Rhine, etc. And it's too bad that we didn't employ thousands of aircraft to blanket the sky and wipe out the Luftwaffe in the west while at the same time supplying the Russians with THOUSANDS of aircraft. millions of tons of supplies, etc.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@36e28993 And of course at the same time we weren't fighting the Nazis, we also weren't the Japanese at Bataan, Corregidor, Coral Sea, Midway, Guadalcanal, Savo Island, Bougainville, Kwajelein, Eniwetok, Cape Gloucster, Buna, Aitape, Hollandia, Tarawa, Siapain, Tinian, Guam, Peleliu, Leyte, Luzon, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc. 8:10 Wehrmacht were killed by Russians yes. But as we fought TWO wars I think to say we were "too late" is not even historical revisionism...just crass anti-American b.s.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@36e28993 Did you sleep through history class ? Cause i can not believe the ignorance you just wrote .....
sr20geek 1 year ago
@36e28993 Actually the liberation of Holland was British but you are right here!
The majority of the American war against Nazi Germany was money and supplies which was all profit based loans.
As Joseph Stalin said. "America pays people to fight their wars"
I doubt the USA would have come into the war at all if they had not been forced too.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU Actually the liberation of Holland was due to the Canadians. This is a point I stand strongly behind. We as Canadians receive thousands of tulip bulbs from Holland, that we plant in Ottawa. We celebrate tis as "The tulip Fest." all the tulips are planted along the Rideau Canal. I was ignorant in saying the Yanks did very little. They did their share, and lost men as all allied countries did. My bad, my apologies to the U.S.
36e28993 1 year ago
@36e28993 Well let me just say this is not an attack on the American people but the American government never intended to enter the war. America profited from the war! The only reason the U.S. did enter the war was because they were forced too.
Hitler declared war on the USA!
Okay yes the USA did provide supplies to Britain and Russia but only on loan.
The British loan has been paid off. However a lot of American companies helped the Nazis. Ford, Coca cola, Texaco and many more.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@36e28993 Oh and as for the liberation of Holland I was not saying that the Canadians were not involved. Far from it! I just think you should watch A bridge too far! :-)
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU A bridge too far,,I have heard of it. I love old war movies. It's refreshing to actually talk to someone on the net without arguing. Thanks for the movie suggestion. I'll try to download it now.
36e28993 1 year ago
@36e28993 That film is based on the liberation of Holland.
There are a lot of great classic British war films.
The guns of Navarone.
The Battle of Britain
The Dam busters
Theres also a lot of American films of British battles which haven't really been created in the fairest way because all the actors have American accents and it gives people the delusion that they were American battles.....
But yeh! There is also a few German films like Das Boot! :D
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
i cant help but wonder what the fate of the sodiers in this footage was.. Death? capture? or Victory?
1Mafioso4 1 year ago
@1Mafioso4 At this stage more than likely death for both.
At this stage the chances of any of these men on either side surviving until the battle for Berlin is negligible. Even those who were captured had a tiny chance of survival for both sides.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
is not the same talking of war than fighting a war, i saw some 2 -3 men get kill, i hate war, i wish politic to fight the war, not ordinary people, groups of people make war for their interest and poor people fight their war, both side soldiers get kill, they are kill by the elite of the world that makes war just for get kill each other, i want to see the end of all war, i dont want to see more war.
EagleKnight2990 1 year ago
MASS GENOCIDE Hitler < Stalin Stalin is sick :D
Zeppelinrocker7 1 year ago
Olivier's oratory made this series
011258stooie 1 year ago
Follow a timeline of WW2 and you will see that the Soviets had already halted the deepest penetration of the Wehrmacht to the suburbs of Moscow and were preparing a massive counter offensive against the suffering Wehrmacht within weeks of Jap attack on Pearl Harbor. By the time the USA had begun building its army and the weapons needed to put our new conscripts into the field the Soviets had ALREADY stopped the Wehrmacht dead in its tracks!
randy95023 1 year ago 6
(part 2)- Soviets could have, and would have defeated Germany with or without American help. USA got RICH and tripled our GNP due to WW2. The War made us the most powerful country in the world without suffering significant casualties. The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans protected our civilians and industry quite well from the Axis forces. WW2 was the greatest thing that ever happened to the USA's economy. USA's GNP equalled the rest of the world's economies combined by 1949 thanks to WW2.
randy95023 1 year ago 14
@randy95023 The reason the wall was built in Germany after the war was to keep the allies from looting everything. The Soviets suffered much more than the allies, and felt they should have most of the call of what happened to Germany after the war.
mariojragucci2 1 year ago
@randy95023 we won the battle of britain and gave you a year of important time, but otherwise yes
rocksoliddude1 1 year ago
@rocksoliddude1 - You Brits held up admirably against the Nazis. After Dunkirk you dug in and awaited what could have been a horrific invasion. There's never been a finer effort put forth by ANY Air Force than that of the RAF during 1940! Sometimes I actually feel guilty that the USA and USSR stole so much of the glory that rightfully belonged to the UK. You guys lost your empire and your civilians suffered horribly yet you retained your quiet dignity. God Bless the UK!
randy95023 1 year ago 7
@randy95023 that you brother, france was a failure and it was left to us to defend our soil just as the soviet union did. most of the lory goes to the soviet union but we bouht you time and damaged the luftwaffe. i agree with you that the USSR could have won on their own but the alliance meant that the war ended sooner and probably with less deaths
rocksoliddude1 1 year ago
@randy95023, USA didn't profit from Lend Lease & forgave most of other nations' debt. I believe only Britain, Denmark & Norway ever paid back the full amount. The USSR paid back a good amount of its monetary debt & Pres. GW Bush forgave the remainder of the debt. USA entered a recession at the end of WWII as did many other nations as many war factories were closed, downsized, & converted to back to civilian production. Stalin attempted to contact Hitler near the end of 1941 to make a truce.
christof139 1 year ago
@christof - Yeah, the USA didn't make their money off of "Lend Lease". We made it from our industrial base expanding more than 5 fold due to wartime requirements. Our recession following the war was not too bad and it only took a couple of years to get our men back working. Look at an almanac at the USA's GNP figures from 1939 to 1950. We got rich alright and it wasn't because we sold military goods to our allies. About 1/2 of the growth was "inflationary" which kept our national debt low.
randy95023 1 year ago
@randy95023, The recession wasn't that bad but bad enough for those people that got 'recessed'. Same thing occurred after the Korean War. Overall the economy just kept growing like you state. More cars, trucks, aircraft for civilian use, government contracts of varied sorts, housing, IOTW, the good old days.
christof139 1 year ago
@randy95023, One of the greatest tasks to be achieved in WWII is when the USSR managed to evacuate a good portion of its industry & put some of the smaller factories back into operation under the open sky in ~3-months. Larger factories were hard to setup again & took more time to do so. One of the 1st things the USA & maybe Britain sent to the USSR was machine tools etc. to get the factories goind again.
christof139 1 year ago
@randy95023 yeah, we know, u're fucking chicken, u sat and hide. Second front in 1944, bitch? we said to : open it faster, we said it since 1941, u opened it when we has already kicked german ass. And u know what? FUCK U!
Pavel0793 1 year ago
@randy95023 if by the soviet army you mean winter
ezzz42 1 year ago
USA/Britain and their Allies Jumped on board towards the end of the war (Summer of '44) just to assure that the Soviets didn't wind up controlling ALL of Europe. We didn't want a Soviet Occupied Paris. Follow a timeline of the war and you will see that the Soviets had paid in blood for the defeat of the Wehrmacht. USA got RICH building armaments, but our total casualties were less than 1/2 of Soviet Casualties suffered in the Ukraine alone in '41!
randy95023 1 year ago 3
continued- US troops were good, brave soldiers but were barely involved in the defeat of Germany when compared to the Soviet Union. Hollywood and US History books would show you that WE (the USA) "won the war" but it was in fact Soviet troops and Soviet Blood that defeated the Wehrmacht. I don't want to belittle the bravery of the US and British, but I do want to give credit to where credit is due. Soviet troops paid the price for victory and USA got RICH building the materials needed...
randy95023 1 year ago 2
@randy95023
I really enjoyed the Band Of Brothers and The Pacific TV series but Speilberg and Hanks should make a drama documentary about the Eastern Front from 1941-45. That was the REAL war after all.
TheDevilsBit 1 year ago
@TheDevilsBit - You are SO right about the Eastern Front. 80% of WW2 fighting for the Wehrmacht was in the East. Total casualties in the East were horribly higher than anywhere in the west. Total American, British, Canadian, Aussie, French and other allied casualties were insignificant when compared to Soviet casualties in just the 1st year of "their" war. Leningrad alone cost Soviets more lives than total US/British casualties in the entire war.
randy109 1 year ago
@randy109
Germans had a lot of precious panzers, infantry divisions and artillery guns tied up defending thousands of miles of Europe coast from the Bay of Biscay all the way to Scandinavia from 1940 to 1944. When Mussolini's government collapsed the Germans were forced to invade Italy and send badly needed combat units to man the defensive lines. German forces and their 88mm guns defending German cities would have been useful on the Eastern front.
TheDevilsBit 1 year ago
@randy109 I am not undermining the Russian effort at all but I think that the vast numbers of Russian deaths were due to these facts.
1. Hitlers view of the Soviets being "inhuman" and putting the prisoners into conentration camps rather than places like Colditz.
2. Stalins routhlessness (I.e having so many men shot out of shere paranoia)
and 3. The fact that its not just Russians that is included in the stats but all Soviet states i.e The Ukrainians.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@rdv040 You sound like Goebbels. Sure communism turned out to be an ineffective totalitarian form of government, but the Fascists (especially the Nazis) were worse.
AirborneFan101 1 year ago
God Bless those German Soldiers that fought the scourge of Bolshevism.
rdv040 1 year ago
Hitler was helped by the so called "democratic" west in order to help them destroying the USSR, do the dirty work for them, and at the same time to weaken Germany. Hitler have other ideas though. When he secured his western flank, then he went for the USSR where the REAL war occurred.
The Second Front, was opened by the west, only to STOP THE RED ARMY, already in his way to defeat Germany, to ever reach the Atlantic!
These are the facts, the rest is Western Propaganda and russophobic politics
rosaldicas 1 year ago
@rosaldicas So what are you saying? that the west shouldnt have opened a front? cause if they didn't. russia would had to deal with the entire force of the german army. Better equipped, better trained, better organised and way more effective in combat. If all there forces would have been concetrated on the eastern front, russia would have never reached berlin. never.
Jim2529 1 year ago
@Jim2529 No you don't understand russia was facing the entire German force during operation barbarossa and at Stalingrad. Germany and there allies threw everything they had in trying to defeat the soviet union and they still couldn't defeat them. The fact is Russia had a far superior military compared to Germany and the US didn't even need to invade on the west, the war was already won by the soviets.
quest8899 1 year ago
that is not true!! the british only stopped paying pack the loan in the late 1990's ( it think could have been early 200) but paid it back and in full.... as finland was one of the few to full pay russia its war rep money... the russians stripped finland clean for nearly 20 years
pissflapsmcmahon 1 year ago
Russia was the only allied country to pay back the money owed to the USA under Lend Lease...they paid it in gold!
beautydaddy 1 year ago
@beautydaddy I would like a reference on this statement - Exactly where did you get this information?
rangerbobcat 1 year ago
@beautydaddy me 2 where did you find this information?
dvega1 1 year ago
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LuSung 1 year ago
NO ONE would have win this war with out helping each other with out the americans russia would have take berlin but would the russians kill the other part of the nazi army. dont think so and japan? nah the american and the other countries helped a lot ok they kill 20% of the nazi army + the japanese army. so stop saying that america would have win this war by themselves or russia couldnt have win by themselves.... they were allies. they had to support each other thats why they win
miguelbotelloor 1 year ago 2
Britain and France went to war in 1939 because of a promise made to Poland that if any country invaded Poland that they would protect Poland and declare war on the invaders this promise was kept to an extent but what most people forget is that Russia also invaded Poland in 1939 so therefore why did the Allies (Britain and France) only declare war on Nazi Germany not both powers or only Russia?
davery1234 1 year ago
@davery1234 Not only Russia? - The declaration of war by Britain and France against Germany came long before Russian troops entered Poland// Why
not both? - It would have been stupid to make an enemy of the only real threat to Germany in the east while fighting them in the west. - A treaty is one thing, national survival something else.
rangerbobcat 1 year ago
@davery1234 because hitler was the biggest threat
dvega1 1 year ago
Britain and France went to war in 1939 because of a promise made to Poland that if any country invaded Poland they would declare war on thge invaders the allies (Britain and France) kept this promise where Nazi Germany was concerned but what most people forget is that Russia also invaded Poland in 1939 so why did the allies not declare war on both or only Russia instead Of Germany?
davery1234 1 year ago
@mustwinder yeah i know thats what in saying?
patsyd80 2 years ago
the german army will not stand for it !!!!!!
stef1652 2 years ago
it was a team effort. with out the russians we could not beat the nazis. with out the usa giving arms and wepons to russia we could not beat the nazis. and with the u.k staying in the fight alone their would have bean no base to invade france and beat the nazis. so why are all the allies arguing now on this page?
patsyd80 2 years ago 10
@patsyd80
I don't understand...I have never seen any documentary showing footage of a Russian soldier using American made arms :P
spudnick3490 1 year ago
@spudnick3490 read some books or do a little reserach. Its not a secret.
patsyd80 1 year ago
@patsyd80
Dude...I have read books...and I research into WW2 once in a while....I was just asking...
spudnick3490 1 year ago
@spudnick3490 Im very sorry my freind I thought you was being funny like 99% of people making comments on youtube. you aint seen no docs or talk of russians useing american arms prob because the cold war followed ww2 but if you look close when watching footage of ww2 you will see many times russians driving american trucks and with american arms.
patsyd80 1 year ago
We could never have beat germany with out the help of russia that is a fact. People dont like to admit that but if the german was not fighting in russia and was all in west europe do you really belive the allies could have landed on france? all the best units of the nazis were in russia so d day we had to face 2nd and 3rd rate units.
patsyd80 2 years ago 6
ok i dont have to argue with you anymore, ur just another person who doesn't know alot about Eastern Front, i dont blame u because many people dont any anything about EAST
TR3Y4LI4E 2 years ago
excellent post....the footage isincredible considering the awfulness of the battle
byrongraham 2 years ago
It also gives me big bloody chills when i think what Hilter thought that the only way to defeat and keep Russia was to exterminate "90%" of the Russian population.
spudnick3490 2 years ago
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lekuke 2 years ago
@lekuke
Fuck Baltic States fuck Poland and estonia and latvia
GERMANS AND RUSSIANS SHOULD OF KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE
TR3Y4LI4E 2 years ago
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In Stalingrad Nazi-Germany's soldiers were reduced to fighting for a stupid elevator ... couldn't they just take the stairs ... the lazy bastards ...
fredhubner 2 years ago
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fredhubner 2 years ago
Those 30 days that GREECE delayed Barbarossa where EXTREMELY IMPORTANT because if Hitler armies where at November and not at December out of Moscow they would have conquered it. That is why Winston Churchill said: «We will not say thereafter that the Greeks fight like heroes, but heroes fight like the Greeks! »
P.S What Turkey did instead? He helped Hitler like he did in World War I. You must be shamed... at least.
a961977p 2 years ago
he would have conquered moscow but germany would lose the war the same way. russia is too big.
fefe74e 2 years ago 2
Don't Stupid. The USA start the War. With operation "Young" and "Daves", Wall street support 130 billion Mac for Nazi in 1933-1938, and 30 million USD for Hitler's rise of Power in 1933
PAVNsoldier 2 years ago
Stalin and his USSR helped with raw material Hitler to make his armies and also with the Molotov-Rimpentrop pact they helped him start the war.
Off course the brave Russian people who was a VICITM OF STALIN did sacrifices but it was the Allies and especially Great Britain and the United States of America who won the war. They also helped the Soviet Union in it's effort.
And a small detail. Not to forget small but brave people like the heros of Greece that gain time for USSR by delaying Hitler!
a961977p 2 years ago
lol the heroes of Greece? What, did they hold out for like 30 days? lol
The US helped the USSR considerably, donating no less than 500,000 trucks alone, not to mention immeasurable tons of high explosive for their famous artillery shell barrages. The USSR would not have won without the assistance of the west
rc5924 2 years ago
@a961977p
yes, the US supplied the USSR greatly and the US and Britain's bombing of germany was very important.
but you can't ignore the fact that 80% of german deaths were on the eastern front. by the time d-day was launched, the Reds were halfway to Berlin. The allies won the war together, but the USSR contributed the most to the defeat of Germany.
nath6644 2 years ago 38
@nath6644 Yes, and the USSR also suffered the most, not only because of Stalin's decimation ot Red Army officers, but also because of faulty defense plans and his paranoiac disbelief of Western intelligence reports warning him of imminent attack.
jlnijholt 1 year ago
@nath6644 You have too look at world war 2 as a set of wars.
Battle of Britain, Russian front, Normandy, Africa, Pacific etc etc.
Its impossible to say who did the most in WW2 unless you devide it up!
Let us imagine that Britain had never won the Battle of Britain!
The USA would have never come into the war. what would have happened to the British Empire? In this case Perhaps Hitler would have been more sucessfull in operation Barbarosa?
This would have been terrible!
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU
i disagree, the Soviets "did the most" in every way. they bore the brunt of the german army, turned the tide at Moscow, Stalingrad and Kursk and suffered the greatest losses. the contributions of Britain and the US, while significant, don't compare with the soviet union.
westeners are scared to admit that the russians won the war because that would mean that the germans weren't beaten by democracy, but by a totalitarian, communist state.
nath6644 1 year ago
@nath6644 actually hitler contributed most to the defeat of germany.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00
a factor, yes, but only a small one.
blaming hitler is one of the many excuses used when trying not to give the russians the credit they deserve.
other excuses include:
1)It was the winter that beat the germans
2) the soviets always outnumbered the germans (not actually true btw)
all miss the point: the bravery and determination of the soviet people beat germany.
nath6644 1 year ago
@nath6644 Yeah and your right but the russians didnt beat the germans alone, and never would have beaten them by themselfs.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00
well i dont want to start that debate again.
no they probably couldnt have won on their own.
but that doesnt hide the fact that they did the most out of all the allies towards defeating germany
nath6644 1 year ago
@nath6644 I really dont know about that honestly. Look at what the americans and brits did. Did they do it on a scale as the russians, maybe. Look at N. Africa, Sicily, then Italy, France. and then the bombing campaigns, small raids the deceptions. Everything put into it.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 Small raids? Oh come on there were some massive raids! Look at Dresden for one!
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@nath6644 ummm no sorry your very wrong. Yes the soviets did a good job helping to defeat germany, as a matter of fact they would have never beaten them by them selves at all if it wasnt for the allies. And you can not say that hitler and the winter are mere excuses when they are not. Thats your excuse to make it seem as if the russians defeated the germans all by themselves, when simply isnt the truth. Hitlers poor decisions and the russians outnumbering them are true facts and not excuses!
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00
hitlers poor decisions may be a fact, but the outnumbering is not so.
i you look at the number of active troops in the field, the soviets only start really outnumbering them in 1944 when the germans were already in full retreat in the east.
the soviets didnt help the allies win, the allies helped the soviets defeat germany.
nath6644 1 year ago
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@nath6644 What are you talking about? With out each other germany would never have been beaten. As soon as the germans defeated the soviets it woulda turned and made england mincemeat. The soviets outnumbered the germans no matter wat, the soviets were on home turf. And also in the beggining the soviets had better tanks.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 What are you talking about? With out each other germany would never have been beaten. As soon as the germans defeated the soviets it woulda turned and made england mincemeat. The soviets outnumbered the germans no matter wat, the soviets were on home turf. And also in the beggining the soviets had better tanks.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 Why Didn't they make "mincemeat" of us first then? Hmmm?
Its because Britons have balls. You Americans just wanted to profit from the war until you were forced to fight. If it wasn't for pearl harbor you'd of stayed out.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU no it's because you're on an island.
The irony is the world would love if we adopted the isolationist policy we had prior to WW2. Damn if you do, damned if you don't.
IcyScythe 1 year ago
@IcyScythe Well you have a point but not as strong a point as you may think.
The Nazis did conquer islands you know? Its not impossible to conquer an island. Its just impossible to conquer Britain. Well no ones managed too since 1066....
Does America have a record like that? Nearly 1000 years?
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
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MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU I think Afghanistan beats you.
eggsaladinthetub 1 year ago
The Russians won the war and crushed Hitlers Germany. It's that simple.
scorkungen 2 years ago 2
The Russians started the War with Germany against Poland think about that. The Allies won the war its that simple!
BAZULTRA 2 years ago 8
the main point of WW2 is
USSR VS NAZI GERMANY
USSR WON, ALLIES HELPED THEM
TR3Y4LI4E 2 years ago
What do you mean "The allies helped them"
Russia was part of the allies!
No the main point is not that.
but the point you are making is true.
Russia won WW2 of course they did!
BUT with out the western front they would of been slaughtered
spudnick3490 2 years ago 2
Without western front they would be slaughtered??? Umm let me think
Usa fought Japan "is that helping Russia"
Britain was fighting small german forces in Africa
While Russians were facing 4 million german soldiers 80% of the entire German army.
When Americans invaded Normandy in 44
Russia was marching to BERLIN!
the war was getting over.
TR3Y4LI4E 2 years ago
With the extra 20% they would of been slughtered.
You have no idea how close it was
spudnick3490 2 years ago
Do you realise the amount of materials that the US loaned the USSR? Without that and the extra coal oil etc the USSR would have been hammered. The US gave them massive material support without which the USSR would not have survived. The ussr payed in blood but the US payed in materials.
FAYstuart 2 years ago
This has to be said as well....the majority of transport used by russian generals toward the end of stalingrad were all american,food,munitions all american! Its ironic considering the 50 year cold war that followed
dvega1 2 years ago
I agree, an american general said it himself...i cant remember who 'if it were not for the russian front we would be still fighting in france in '46'
dvega1 2 years ago
dvega1
thats bull shit we could have entered berlin berlin weeks before the Soviets. but stalin insisted that he took berlin so we let him. the USSR got their ass kicked, i took the germans a year to advance 500 miles into the USSR.
shaunwhiteisdominate 2 years ago
You contradict yourself! You say that Americans were fighting in the Pacific and the British in Africa (the Pacific too) yet you say the war was over by the time of the Normandy invasion. There is a reason it is called a World War you know. Yes Russia was the deciding factor when it came to Germany but if my history is correct the War didn't end with the surrender of Germany. Russia was fighting on one single front. The US and Britian were fighting on two to three.
jayers2 2 years ago
they were fighting small battles 3.000 casualties each battle. But russians were fighting in big battles 500.000 casualties each battle
u know how many russians were killed by the end of the war? 20 million
u know how many americans? 250.000
and 150.000 british
TR3Y4LI4E 2 years ago 2
@TR3Y4LI4E well the Russians only have themselves to blame their tactics were to run in at full force. No matter what the enemy had. Most of the Russian soldiers had no weapons. No wonder so many died.
MrJollyGreenGiant 2 years ago
you are correct Tr3Y the soviets were getting their ass kicked by the germans until the US entered the picture and heres why.
When the US entered the war hitler was afraid that his foothold on Normandy and Europe was in danger. so he took a good number of tanks and troops from army group center and north to reinforce normandy and Europe
shaunwhiteisdominate 2 years ago
@shaunwhiteisdominate
Oh God, your like the Anti-Right.
It's people like you that make me question free speech
ArachEye 1 year ago
The Russian Red Army was heroic and brave and the tide of the war turned long before D-Day. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but noone is entitled to their own facts.
lancer89032 2 years ago 26
unless your are in russia where facts are fabricated
hzj79 2 years ago
@lancer89032 You are only partially correct. Stalin was desperate for the allied invasion of Europe to begin in order to alleviate German resistance on the Eastern front.
You should read more (Yalta Conference?) and post less platitudes.
beautydaddy 1 year ago
@beautydaddy Oh Please... Stalin was not desperate after the battles at Stalingrad and especially after the huge defeat of the German army at the battle of Kursk. The fall of Germany was inevitable and your hatred of communism blinds you to the truth. Compare the total American, British and French casualties to those of Russia. Russia kicked Germany's ass and to believe anything else is pure fantasy on your part.
lancer89032 1 year ago
@lancer89032 russian casualties were catastrophic because they had the men to send in over and over again.... stalin demanded not one step back! or be shot! stalin was desperate for a western invasion since the beginning of 1940!
dvega1 1 year ago
@lancer89032 i hate to agree with beautydaddy,but it's true,there were so much pressure on the soviets,and if the brits and the russians are really allies,then the brits n the allies should put more pressure on the west,however hard the brits n its allies do their best,the allies couldnt do much pressure on the west,..
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@lancer89032 thus,stalin made up his mind,and believed that he and the red army can win this war,with or without the help from the west,thats why when the big 3 were planning they're final assault on germany,stalin would not agree on joint assault...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@beautydaddy i hate to agree with you but it is true,but again,stalin and the red army endured the unendurable and proved that they are too much for the nazis to handle.although,in fact,stalin knew the allies cant really start any invasion in the west,as long the u-boats are threat on the atlantic.
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@beautydaddy and stalin used this idea/propaganda that the allies are not doing much on the west and it is the red who are doing all the job of fighting the nazis.true,but stalin used it as a propaganda to raise morale for his troops and make them believe that the fate of the world lies on them,and the allies are not needed
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@lancer89032 The Soviet Union won that war on the Eastern Front, there is no doubt about it, and sufficiently debilitated Germany so that the Western Powers cuold weaken her further, but, you are absolutely right, facts are facts: the USSR's participation was vital to the war effort...VITAL.
ExposingTheGOP 1 year ago
@lancer89032 I guess nobody is except you by saying the tide was turned long before D- Day when that simpley isnt true.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 Actually it is. Hitler gave up on operation Sealion and had lost three quarters of his Luftwaffel. This was the turning point. For the first time people realized the Nazis were not invincible.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU Yeah he gave up on it cause operation barbarossa was in his mind. That was not the turning point at all period. That was before america took it part in the war. Goering screwed that all up by switching targets from military to civilian, he had the brits on their knees. And it would have happened had goering not been stupid and actually knew what he was doing. An I dont recall saying the bombing raids were small at all.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 One place the British were not was on their knees. British people were in skies, putting out fires, putting buckets of sand over lit incendiary bombs, At sea, Helping the resistances in Europe, In Africa, In Asia, In Tube stations or in coffins.
Where the hell were you Americans for them years? In McDonalds.
On our Knees? WE HAD NO TIME TO BE ON OUR KNEES!
The turning point of ww2 was the Battle of Britain. Watch this /watch?v=7lgzPpr-z1c
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 I duno where that reply is on here but anyway. I know Mcdonalds wasnt around then.... It was a joke.
The thing is that Britain wouldn't have had too invade at all. It wasn't just the invasion that won the war anyway.
The thing is conquering a nation is one thing. Holding it is another.
If we had supplied the resistance of each of the nations as we had been doing that would have done enough damage. The problem is the Soviets would have probably taken far more!
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU Yes I know it was a joke and negative the soviets wouldnt have taken shit cause britan would have been contained and the Germans would have controlled europe.And when I said britian was on it knees i ment it was close to collaspe. if the RAF was finished off there was nothing standing in germanys way to invade, or just to contain them. The germans wouldnt have had to invade.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 Well if the USA hadn't joined the war it would have little or no effect on the RAF. The RAF won against the Nazis in the Battle of Britain and even after than we were producing aircraft twice as fast as the Nazis. The Nazis were producing better and faster aircraft because of their work on wonder weapons where as our complete input went into producing and improving what we already had!
The Nazis had no chance of taking Russia when the winter set in.
(Read next part*
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU maybe if they were properly winterized, THEN they might have had the chance... too bad the german public knew Hitler was in his own little fantasy world and decided to do nothing about it...
carrotsRgood4you 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 Germany had the majority of Europe but most of the people in Nazi occupied Europe were against them. That makes it virtually impossible too hold the territories. We know that from our own experience with the Empire!
The resistance around occupied Europe fighting like the Americans in the revolutionary war + The Soviets + Britain & her empire....
Germany would have lost but maybe the war would have lasted longer..
Say 1948-1954?
*Read the next part*
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00 However I am glad that the USA did come into the war because ending the war as soon as possible had become Britain's top priority. The Jews wanted us too attempt too bomb the train lines or crematoria of Auschwitz. We refused too do so because of that priority.
Thus...
USA entering the war probably took at least 2 years off the war. The PEOPLE save from the camps because of that 2 years. =D
Notice I said PEOPLE? Thats because there were many non Jews also killed.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
@STOPTHEEU Yes i Know there were many non- jews that were in the camps. Did you also know hitler had Jew SS battalions and muslim, russian, french, italian, and many others?
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00
There were certainly no Jewish SS battalions, so shut up.
pretzelberg 1 year ago
@pretzelberg Yes there certainly was, along with russian and arabic ones too dumbass.
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
@MarineInfantry00
What kind of moron are you? A Jewish SS battalion??
pretzelberg 1 year ago
@pretzelberg What kind of moron am I, obvisiouly one who knows more than you and reads more and knows his history, yes bitch fuckin Jewish SS Battalions i didnt fuckin studder! Look it up Tard!
MarineInfantry00 1 year ago
listening to all the glorified statements on this vid orated by Olivier, you'd think the russian army was worth a damn. Everyone knows that in a straight up fight and no western theatre of war, germany routs the russians, hands down.
Evocati2008 2 years ago