Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
mother teresa wore a cilice and self flagellated herself - what a disgusting practice she was teaching children - that whore of babylon should have been arrested and imprisoned for teaching children fear and pain
"I will miss Christopher. I will miss the brilliant turn of phrase, the good-natured banter, the wry sideways smile when he was about to make a remark that would make me laugh out loud. No doubt he now knows the answer to the question of whether there is more to the spirit than just atoms and molecules. I hope he was surprised by the answer. I hope to hear him tell about it someday. He will tell it really well." - Francis Collins
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Christopher Hitchens. He was well know atheist in fact militant atheist. He was very abusive, anger and violated in speech during his debate on God, Jesus and Christianity. But I noticed After declare of his esophagus cancer even he did not accepted God, Jesus and Biblical truth but he stopped anger, abusive attitude and violated speech against God and Christianity. Why ? I think after realizing his death is near, he was in a position between "Yes" and "No". I have seen last days videos. He was
@realtyofislam You're fantasizing. Hitch said near the end, that he wished the chemo hadn't taken away his 'vinegar' towards the god cult non-sense - he just didn't have the energy to argue against ignorance effectively.
'Jesus/Yahweh' only equates to 'God' to Christians. If Hitch started contemplating possible God(s), I wouldn't expect it to be one he'd already figured out was a fake.
I wonder if real God(s) exist. And that has nothing to do with knowing Jesus isn't it.
@TheHigherVoltage Well, I challenge you to find out for yourself. Those who are sincerely looking for Him, shall find Him. Call out to God and ask Him...
@jannulik I was a Christian for 20 years. And no - if 'calling out to God and asking him' was enough to find one, or know one, there'd be only one religion & one (set of) God(s) people got to 'know'
As it stands now, there's many religions, with many versions of each religion. Christianity has 36,000+ sects that can't agree on what their God is saying. Neither can Muslims, Hindus, etc. etc.
If there are real God(s), they don't exist in man-made godcults, or in the imaginations of believers.
@jannulik And I have a challenge for you - why not actually read whatever 'holy book' you think is from a real God, cover to cover - be it the quran, the bible, the vedas, whatever...
And ask yourself one simple question : Do I actually believe this from real God(s)? Or did I convince myself to believe it was from real God(s) on faith, before actually reading it?
Question/Challenge to any believer? Give me one example that you have found in your self proclaimed holy text of choice could have only originated from the mind of a supreme supernatural being? That could not have originated from the mind of a man/woman?....I look forward to a response though I have little faith I shalll get one.
Actually I know I am going to be shot down in flames and I agree with those gunning me down it is a self indulgent however I would have loved to hear (just once) Hitchens debate the god delusion from the point of view of a believer i.e pro supernatural being. Though false I know he would have beeen able to argue far better than any beleiver he ever debated I guess the closeset we have is his brother Peter..but as that debate showed hitchens flawed him. Miss him so much what a giant amongst men.
@arniemazmax I read Peter's weekly article in the Daily Mail for the first time (my mum insists on reading it, despite my protests)... I felt so let down that the Hitchens we've been left with is so lame.
@mrface19 Lolol Dawkinator disrepectful but funny lol, I love him but he is a biologist, its like comparing Cliff Richard with Elvis. Hitch was a far better speaker bombastic and poweful seductive and yes alas I have a man crush. Hitch for me all the way though I would adore if " Richard took me on a tour of the British Museum".
First time I heard his voice it was on a documentary about mother teressa and I thought this guy sounds like an asshole, but more fool me and luckly I got past my stupid attitude and listened to what this man had to say and to this day I think he is one of the finest intellects this world has ever produced.
He said meeting Shakespeare after reading his work would almost certainly be a disappointment. But after Hitchens has gone reading his books and watching these videos is not nearly as amazing as attending one of his speeches. We will miss him and in this case meeting the man is better than meeting him through his work.
@555teson383 I think that's more a statement on the sheer quality of Shakespeare - arguably, and I'm inclined to agree with such argument - the best works ever produced in the English language.
I'm still grieving the untimely death of this giant advocate of freethought and literature. The musings, videos, and writings of this wonderful man had advanced the cause of science and rational thinking worldwide.
It's sad when one has to attack Mother Teresa, but that's just it - atheism has to attack all or nothing. It just makes the anti-Christian argument as weak as, well, not Bounty....that other brand.
@simonferet My semantics are almost certainly going to spark an argument here, but oh well: Hitchens merely presented facts about Theresa such as from whence she received her money, and her views on contraception. These facts he used as basis to support the rest of his argument on Christianity - not just Mother Theresa.
@SOTBSYou were certainly right about sparking an argument...the rest though is debatable. If you are familiar with Hitch's work or the entire contents of this particular debate you would understand that he has plenty of ammunition to lob at Christianity. The argument against Mother Theresa is a rebuttal to his opponent's comments. You can use the example of Mother Theresa as an argument against Christianity but that's not what Hitch was doing. I recommend watching the debate, it's very good.
blatant honesty accompanied with genuine humanity is hard to come by these days, christopher hitchins oozed it from every pore. if there was anything greater about himself than his intelligence and wisdom then it would be his desire to share it. dreadfully missed and painfully loved.
On Hitchens. A great human being. A fighter for intellectual, moral, and personal freedom. Probably did more damage to religion than any man or woman in near history. Cared enough to save many people from the intellectually stunted abyss of religious affliction and the mind numbing message of unquestioning, slavering servility to power figures - good or corrupt - for percieved, GREEDY self-benifit. A hater of wanton ignorance and self-induced DENIALISM. And you my friend? Where do YOU stand?
i want to live my life taking the risk all the time that i don't know anything like enough yet, that i haven't understood enough, that i can't know enough, that i'm always hungerly operating on the margins of a potentially great harvest of future knowledge and wisdom, i wouldn't have it any other way - amazing statement
I believe it would behoove the rest of you to desist from replying to tonestar100 any further. I'm not a perfectly disciplined man by any means, but I do my best to live by the credo that "my enemies are ideologies, not individuals." Civil public discourse should be like controlled demolition: the ability to isolate and destroy an idea, containing the blast to that area, and reducing collateral damage to the person who held it. Tonestar100 is too immature to even make a post without an insult.
I admit that being an atheist sometimes makes me sad. There is no awesome godless heaven for Hitch to go an engage those that died before him. I'm so glad he left numerous books, radio shows, and TV programs so that people can continuously benefit from his wisdom, brilliance, and wit.
All the great Western monotheistic cults share the same foundation. Their founding act of sin is daring to think for yourself. Their founding act of virtue is agreeing to gut one's own child with a knife.
Listening to Hitch 22 audio book, I believe it when he states that he can speak for hours uninterupted on just about any subject without an "um" or a "you know". Even if you dont agree with his religious or political ideaologies this man could speak better than most people breath.
@ktm7979 I know he'd said he could go on for hours without stuttering. He'd once had a speech-impediment. He encouraged people to be motivated by this if they suffer from the same, so that they know that there is hope for some who started off that way.
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
Beautifully delivered by Hitchens. His bookish eloquence even as he speaks is a rarely found talent. I sincerely grieve his death, but his legacy, the call for intellectual honesty will live on in the words he left behind.
RIP, Chris. It is a shame there are no gods for you Hitchslap where you are now.
@theskepticalskeptic Thank you. And yes I agree, I should have written Christopher instead of Chris. I am still shaken by his death. I even missed the infinitive"to" before "Hitchslap". I just could not think straight when I wrote that comment.
1. RIP - your right, we shouldn't use it but this just a testament to the extent how filthy christianity has infected our language.
2. No atheist believes in the afterlife, so this is a pointless question.
3. We are not thanking him directly asshole; we are thankful for all the work he has done in pursuit of a rational world fighting to save idiots like you from a life of delusion. We are not talking to Christopher; we are conversing among ourselves about what a great man he is.
@tonestar100 It's such a shame that's the only counter-comment you can post. Okay, if not an idiom then "RIP" is a cultural expression to show respect and gratitude to the deceased. Anyway, I rest my case.
@fastballonly No, the real shame is for someone dabbling with literary pretense in your response to "jackpics" as though you're some sort of "wordsmith" complete with numbered points, for emphasis, the irony of your daffy use of the word "idiom" is lost on you. You asked "jackpics" if he had any sense of irony. Obviously he does, and rightly so! He found it ironic you would use the phrase, "RIP" which, IRONICALLY, is a Catholic supplication for the soul's eternal rest. Anyway, I rest in peace.
@jackpics If you really believe that being atheist means not believing in an afterlife, you need to rethink the word. You can be spiritual without believing in god, Buddhists don't believe in god, but the core of their beliefs is that humans are spiritual beings who are reincarnated at different levels of existence until reaching enlightenment. Also, atheists can be agnostic, and say "maybe there is an afterlife and god, but I don't believe it."
@jackpics 1. It's in our language. 2. This life is all we have and to me that makes it more important. 3. Why would we thank our for fathers? Because they led a change and it's more of paying homage than truly thanking the person. Once again, it's in our language.
@KillerHill06 I know. theskepticalskeptic pointed that out already and I replied to him. It was not intentional. Of course he should be referred to as Christopher.
By the way, I like that quote from him circumcision of his name. Well put.
@RedLeprachaun I absolutely feel the same way! Christopher Hitchens absolutely changed my life for the better! Your statement made me burst into tears it was so lovely and inspiring... you rock!
@tonestar100 Hitchens was married twice, the latter one lasted till his death. You couldn't know his sexuality, so don't pretend to. He spent his life fighting against some of the greatest evils (such as religion and political assholes like Clinton). He helped free so many people, including myself, from the prison created by religious indoctrination.
@samcarr6 His homosexual trysts are chronicled in his own autobiography "Hitch-22" dumbass. His words, moron. Your lame attack on Mother Theresa is as doomed as your defense of Hitchens. Hitchens took it in the ass. Deal with it.
@tonestar100@tonestar100 Ironically, after defending yourself against the notion that you'd tried to win an argument by an assassination of character or name-calling, you again go on to lambast Christopher Hitchens for his bisexuality, as though it helps your position at all. All the pedophile priests couldn't "disprove Catholicism." A math teacher being an alcoholic has no bearing on how true his teachings on math are in class. Hitchens' bisexuality has zero impact on his arguments.
@themediocrenontheist Your failure to mention the first portion of my response regarding Mother Theresa is staggering. Either it's intentional, which makes you intellectually dishonest, or you really are that intellectually challenged. Instead you engage in blather and bombast regarding pedophile priests. You are correct, however, in recognizing I did defend myself against a notion. A better analogy: an alcoholic math teacher has no credibility if he attacks the immorality of teaching drunk.
@themediocrenontheist So I see you finally found out who "sam" is. Bravo boy genius! But still you missed one of my initial 2 comments directed to him. I'm tired of your weary amateur hour gaffs. If you want to pee in the tall grass with the big boys you better get your shit straight. I'm light years ahead of you slomo.
@tonestar100 Well, despite all your emphasis on the first of your two comments, simply stating that Mother Teresa's order has missions around the world and then stating their intended purpose (you did of course forget to mention spreading the Catholic faith as one of these) does not constitute a particularly strong argument. We know all of this already. However, charities such as Oxfam and MSF do as much if not more good without wasting time on proselytising.
@AmuseD21 You're an idiot. Neither Oxfam nor MSF specifically deal with bringing comfort and hope to dying terminal people. Those people are not being given catechism you moron! Moreover, for you to even attempt to claim which "does more good" is proof positive of how absolutely dildoic your thinking is. Your blatant attempt to minimize Mother Theresa's work is made worse by the fact you don't know what the fuck her charities actually do. You're a fraud.
@tonestar100 Wow, you really love your ad hominems. Also, I'm a female bimbo thanks kindly. I don't deny that the charity work that the Sisters of Charity do is beneficial to those who receive it (although just how beneficial is perhaps up for debate) however you can not deny that they are a religious organisation and so therefore are at the best wasting time and resources (in my opinion) preaching or at worst spreading dogmas which will ruin already ruined lives.
@tonestar100 Indeed, in my anti-theist opinion, their secularism has in fact a positive impact in and of itself because, as you are no doubt aware, faith and dogma of any kind (but Catholicism in particular) are hugely destructive in the third world.
@AmuseD21 Also, in a proper response to your beleaguered second comment, the fact that Hitchens was bisexual has of course no bearing on any of his arguments (your drunken maths teacher attacking the immorality of drunken teaching analogy is a failed one because it would imply that Hitchens attacked bisexuality, which he most certainly did not) and is also nothing to live down. Here is where I must disagree with themediocrenontheist, to compare alcoholism and paedophilia with bisexuality...
@AmuseD21 I don't recall comparing alcoholics, pedophiles, and bisexuals as being tantamount to one another in any notable way. Perhaps there's been a misunderstanding...also, and it's boring and moot anyhow, but my analogy with the alcoholic math teacher never insinuated that they'd show up for work drunk, but rather drink in their free time. I was simply saying that a math teacher could not have their work's accuracy contested solely on the grounds that they drank too much in their free time.
@themediocrenontheist I was sure you didn't mean it like that, and your point is a valid one, the actions of individuals have no bearing on the morality or verity of a movement ("all the paedophile priests don't disprove religion"). I just don't think (and I'm sure you don't either) that it applies in Hitch's case. Also, my refutation for the math analogy was to our dear angry friend rather than you.
@AmuseD21 "..as you are no doubt aware.." In fact, I'm aware of nothing of the kind. And neither are you. You just said that because you thought it sounded good. Even for a male bimbo you embarrass yourself.
@tonestar100 You may not like my rhetorical style but I can assure you that I am well aware of the harm religion does in the world and 3rd world in particular. If you are not you are misinformed or wilfully ignorant. Also, the mud-slinging does not lend itself to respect. I'm perfectly willing to debate stridently but let's keep it about the issues.
@AmuseD21 Let's see if I have your strident, rhetorical argument correct: The Sisters of Charity do good work (how "much" good is precisely unknown) and they are a religious organization. And everyone knows, unless they're wilfully ignorant or misinformed, or so your argument goes, religion does harm in 3rd world countries. Astounding. Ha ha ha!
@tonestar100 Not quite, my argument is that the charity work that The Sisters of Charity do is good HOWEVER (you seem to have interpreted this as BECAUSE of) they are religious and this is a disadvantage to them because religion does harm in 3rd world countries. That is why secular organisations such as Oxfam and MSF are better in my eyes.
@AmuseD21 You're going beyond my statement of your argument and conjecturing what my interpretation of "why" The Sisters of Charity do much good. The plain meaning on the face of my statement was correct. Try not to speak for my thought process and stick to the words written. That's how you get into trouble with all your straw man arguments.
@tonestar100 If I did do that then I am sorry. However, what I was trying to do was to refute your attempt at ridiculing my argument by making it seem contradictory. I did this through clarifying my argument and pointing out the only way my argument is contradictory is if I had said that the Sisters of Charity do good work because of religion. Is that comprehensible to you? On another note, perhaps you could point out a straw-man argument I've made?
@tonestar100 Mother Teresa said that contraception was equivalent to abortion which was equivalent to murder. However much help she gave to AIDS patients, she more than made up for by helping the spead of HIV in pious third world countries. She took money from the Duvaleir family in Haiti which was in turn, robbed of the poorest people in Haite. And you are "delighted" that she gave it to other people and then accepted all the praise that she received for doing so.
@6musky It is possible I may have misinterpreted Paglia's views which would be hypocritical of me and in which case I would have to apologise. I'm not familiar with her work but my quick Google search found that she claims that religion is essential in order to preserve our high arts and culture, which is false. I would think that in a world where theocrats are our enemies, the last thing that religion needs is more respect.
Revisionist history comprehensively destroyed by this brilliant tortured man. Any dissenters need to question their own personal agendas as Mr Hitchin used only a fact based encyclopedic knowledge to spread understanding. What is the dissenters objectives?
i believe this is true in latin amrican womwn had an average of 6 to 10 kids spreading poverty as not able to provide for all this kids religion alon has fucked people over with their bullshit
...and now you Hitchens have had your hate-filled, venomous mouth silenced by your death and now you are in hades in flames of enormous agony in the midst of the earth waiting your resurrection to be cast into hell when Jesus says to you, :Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. I never knew you!" Hitchens, you speaks like the whole world speaks, angry, vitriolic and absolutely ignorant of what you say draped in eloquent words phrases.
Christopher Hitchens death was an absolutely devastating loss for humanity. There really is no one(that I know of) who can debate so eloquently, make such perfectly pointed arguments or tell someone off in the most certain terms as he could. He made a huge impact and he will be missed.
@tonestar100 How nice of you.Would you mind actually presenting some counter arguments or would you rather continuing spewing more life-destroying nonsense?
@samcarr6 Sure why not: "Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity at the time of her death had 610 missions in 123 countries including hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counselling programmes, orphanages and schools." And all Hitchens can carp about is who gave her the money. I'm delighted to know the money to do this work came from the worst people. Better in her hands than theirs.
@samcarr6 Hitchens, on the other hand, after spending his formative college years playing homosexual - decided being queer wasn't enough se tried playing for the other team. Apart from being worshipped by atheists in need of a mouthpiece, he pissed his short life away drinking and smoking too fucking much. He wasn't the beginning of a pimple on the late, great Mother Thersa's ass. There's my counter argument Sam.
I haven't read anything by "Sam," but I would mention that, with all due respect, that entire paragraph was one gigantic argumentum ad hominem. Attacks on an individual's character cannot be the sole bearing by which one refutes an opponent's central point, because the veracity of an ideology is independent of the habits and/or foibles of those who carry the belief.
@themediocrenontheist Firstly, it is rapidly apparent you read only the 2nd part of a 2 part reply to "samcarr6." The first part is wholly substantive, and the 2nd part you're quibbling about was observation and opinion. Thus, my observations on Hitchens are not, as you inartfully stated, "the sole bearing by which [I] refute[s] an opponent's central point." (Insert guffaw here). Please, do spare me the literary pretense and Bertrand Russell impersonation.
@tonestar100 "What a lukewarm crock of cat shit. Your Atheistic Messiah is worm shit."
Copy-pasting gets repetitive, but is sometimes necessary. Name-calling and argumentum ad hominem attacks equate to nothing in and of themselves. Attacks on an individual's character cannot be the sole bearing by which one refutes an opponent's central point, because the veracity of an ideology is independent of the habits and/or foibles of those who carry the belief. Insults feel good, but are hot air.
@Bigboy5650 There's a difference between claiming that there is no theistic god and to claiming that there is nothing. Atheists love just as strongly as the religious, we just love reality.
I like Camille Paglia, who is an atheist but still has respect for the contribution of the spiritual and religious in art and culture. I think those who want to ban all references to any religious texts and who react with automatic rage and scorn when someone mentions them are bigots who throw out the baby with the bathwater.
@6musky And you are obviously unfamiliar with Hitchens' views on this matter. There is a difference between respect for human creations such as religious art, music and architecture and an understanding of the importance of the Bible as a literary work comparable to those of Homer (all of which Hitch has) and Paglia's claim that one cannot be inspired by the secular.
Hitchens has inspired a new generation to scoff and rage against any mention of religion or religious stories or symbolism, it may not have been his intention but it's there.
I'm puzzled as to why you say that Paglia claims that one can't be inspired by the secular, most of her work is about how people ARE inspired by the secular.
@naybobdenod I memorized about ½ of it so far. He has left me in tears of relief, and helps me shed the ravages of my xtian indoctrination. They are words for the 21st century mind. I fear they cannot be heard by what passes for "the mind," when it is indoctrinated by evil, bronze age myths, immoralities, and wickedness. I listen to Mr. Hitchens words and experience the numinous and the transcendent, based ONLY on objective reality and its wonders. Wisdom properly denies all faith claims.
@DwarfPriest Of course you can have religious faith and still be perfectly intelligent. What you can not do is maintain your intellectual integrity while doing so.
@AmuseD21 Yes you can. You're going to find that many people have different points of view based on their own reasoning. In short we must retain our humanism despite of differences.
[Was sodomite Christ' Hitchens' hollow death an early Christmas gift, or retribution for the total-war that he endorsed against the mothers & children of the Arab sphere?]
@cool2t Of course I'm not suggesting we ban the word atheism. I think I understand what you mean by "going back" as in going back to faith. No atheists would go back because we are certain that all faiths are false. It is only the deist god that we are agnostic about. Can I ask whether you are unsure about all faiths equally or only Christianity?.
@DwarfPriest On page 293 of "Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus in Dictionary Form," Edited by the Princeton Language Institute, Barbara Ann Kipfer, Ph.D., Head Lexicographer (1993) ...we find the synonyms for: FAITH : acceptance, allegiance, assent, assurance, belief, certainty, certitude, confidence, constancy, conviction, credence, credit, credulity, dependence, faithfulness, fealty, fidelity, hope, loyalty, reliance, stock, store, sureness, surety, troth, truth, truthfulness
Not to distract from our "loost," but I believe it's "lose" not "loose." Thanks for reading.
chirpychinchilla 19 hours ago
breathtaking!
MrMaffen 3 days ago
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Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 3 days ago
HITCH will also be immortalized in his writings as other great philosophical humanitarians have in the past!
lifeschild1 3 days ago
hes a hero RIP
irishmckiddo 4 days ago
I am sorry I missed this event in Plano.
CausalObserver74 6 days ago
mother teresa wore a cilice and self flagellated herself - what a disgusting practice she was teaching children - that whore of babylon should have been arrested and imprisoned for teaching children fear and pain
timewilltell7 6 days ago
Free thinker and so thought provoking when he spoke. Sad he's gone.
InvadrrZimm 1 week ago
That was a good speech.
8bobthebuilder 1 week ago
"I will miss Christopher. I will miss the brilliant turn of phrase, the good-natured banter, the wry sideways smile when he was about to make a remark that would make me laugh out loud. No doubt he now knows the answer to the question of whether there is more to the spirit than just atoms and molecules. I hope he was surprised by the answer. I hope to hear him tell about it someday. He will tell it really well." - Francis Collins
TheSpiritOfTruth 1 week ago
@TheSpiritOfTruth I hope he was surprised by the answer ---> Trust me, he was ;-)
jannulik 1 week ago
@TheSpiritOfTruth nice post :)
ndjarnag 5 days ago
@ellenmeilee You're brainwashed.
guicho0o 1 week ago
Of such is Christopher Hitchens' immortality made.
patwolfie 1 week ago
This brought tears to my eyes...Spoken very beautiful and from the heart. Thanks Christopher.
jasason10 2 weeks ago 10
Hitch da man!
Clifton100 2 weeks ago
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Christopher Hitchens. He was well know atheist in fact militant atheist. He was very abusive, anger and violated in speech during his debate on God, Jesus and Christianity. But I noticed After declare of his esophagus cancer even he did not accepted God, Jesus and Biblical truth but he stopped anger, abusive attitude and violated speech against God and Christianity. Why ? I think after realizing his death is near, he was in a position between "Yes" and "No". I have seen last days videos. He was
realtyofislam 2 weeks ago
@realtyofislam The fact you have "reality" in your screen name is fucking hilarious.
mrface19 2 weeks ago
@realtyofislam I'm afraid your comment is not valid for the reason that 'I think' is a contradiction in terms coming from religious person
tunderman7 2 weeks ago
@realtyofislam You're fantasizing. Hitch said near the end, that he wished the chemo hadn't taken away his 'vinegar' towards the god cult non-sense - he just didn't have the energy to argue against ignorance effectively.
'Jesus/Yahweh' only equates to 'God' to Christians. If Hitch started contemplating possible God(s), I wouldn't expect it to be one he'd already figured out was a fake.
I wonder if real God(s) exist. And that has nothing to do with knowing Jesus isn't it.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage Well, I challenge you to find out for yourself. Those who are sincerely looking for Him, shall find Him. Call out to God and ask Him...
jannulik 1 week ago
@jannulik I was a Christian for 20 years. And no - if 'calling out to God and asking him' was enough to find one, or know one, there'd be only one religion & one (set of) God(s) people got to 'know'
As it stands now, there's many religions, with many versions of each religion. Christianity has 36,000+ sects that can't agree on what their God is saying. Neither can Muslims, Hindus, etc. etc.
If there are real God(s), they don't exist in man-made godcults, or in the imaginations of believers.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@jannulik And I have a challenge for you - why not actually read whatever 'holy book' you think is from a real God, cover to cover - be it the quran, the bible, the vedas, whatever...
And ask yourself one simple question : Do I actually believe this from real God(s)? Or did I convince myself to believe it was from real God(s) on faith, before actually reading it?
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@realtyofislam you are talking out of your arse. he was against religion to the end
twilight8181 1 week ago
Mother Teresa: Psychopathic
Christopher Hitchens: 21st century hero
BayAreaOrBust 2 weeks ago
Hitch is up there with Kenneth Williams, John Lennon & Withnail. God love them.
ellenmeilee 2 weeks ago
not cool dude, chomsky schools you
AUSTRALIA11001 2 weeks ago
i miss him.
amercedd 3 weeks ago
42 people should probably do society a favor and kill themselves.
OUprince10 3 weeks ago
Question/Challenge to any believer? Give me one example that you have found in your self proclaimed holy text of choice could have only originated from the mind of a supreme supernatural being? That could not have originated from the mind of a man/woman?....I look forward to a response though I have little faith I shalll get one.
arniemazmax 3 weeks ago
Actually I know I am going to be shot down in flames and I agree with those gunning me down it is a self indulgent however I would have loved to hear (just once) Hitchens debate the god delusion from the point of view of a believer i.e pro supernatural being. Though false I know he would have beeen able to argue far better than any beleiver he ever debated I guess the closeset we have is his brother Peter..but as that debate showed hitchens flawed him. Miss him so much what a giant amongst men.
arniemazmax 3 weeks ago
@arniemazmax I read Peter's weekly article in the Daily Mail for the first time (my mum insists on reading it, despite my protests)... I felt so let down that the Hitchens we've been left with is so lame.
mrface19 2 weeks ago
@mrface19 I know its always the bloody way, George Carlin gone , Bill Hicks, Carl Sagan, John Lennon Hitch ...meanwhile all the cretins run amok. :(
arniemazmax 2 weeks ago
@arniemazmax But we've still got the Dawkinator, Harris, Dennett.. and all the work those great people you mentioned have left behind. :-)
mrface19 2 weeks ago
@mrface19 Lolol Dawkinator disrepectful but funny lol, I love him but he is a biologist, its like comparing Cliff Richard with Elvis. Hitch was a far better speaker bombastic and poweful seductive and yes alas I have a man crush. Hitch for me all the way though I would adore if " Richard took me on a tour of the British Museum".
arniemazmax 2 weeks ago
First time I heard his voice it was on a documentary about mother teressa and I thought this guy sounds like an asshole, but more fool me and luckly I got past my stupid attitude and listened to what this man had to say and to this day I think he is one of the finest intellects this world has ever produced.
MrGiveitarest 3 weeks ago
He said meeting Shakespeare after reading his work would almost certainly be a disappointment. But after Hitchens has gone reading his books and watching these videos is not nearly as amazing as attending one of his speeches. We will miss him and in this case meeting the man is better than meeting him through his work.
555teson383 4 weeks ago
@555teson383 I think that's more a statement on the sheer quality of Shakespeare - arguably, and I'm inclined to agree with such argument - the best works ever produced in the English language.
IMHO 4:32-7:08 is Hitchens' best words, ever.
sparkleshyguy85 3 weeks ago
I'm still grieving the untimely death of this giant advocate of freethought and literature. The musings, videos, and writings of this wonderful man had advanced the cause of science and rational thinking worldwide.
scoopmaster23 4 weeks ago
It's sad when one has to attack Mother Teresa, but that's just it - atheism has to attack all or nothing. It just makes the anti-Christian argument as weak as, well, not Bounty....that other brand.
simonferet 1 month ago
@simonferet My semantics are almost certainly going to spark an argument here, but oh well: Hitchens merely presented facts about Theresa such as from whence she received her money, and her views on contraception. These facts he used as basis to support the rest of his argument on Christianity - not just Mother Theresa.
SOTBS 1 month ago
@SOTBSYou were certainly right about sparking an argument...the rest though is debatable. If you are familiar with Hitch's work or the entire contents of this particular debate you would understand that he has plenty of ammunition to lob at Christianity. The argument against Mother Theresa is a rebuttal to his opponent's comments. You can use the example of Mother Theresa as an argument against Christianity but that's not what Hitch was doing. I recommend watching the debate, it's very good.
AmuseD21 3 weeks ago
@AmuseD21 Well, thank you for taking the time to reply. I'll see if I can find the rest of the debate!
SOTBS 3 weeks ago
@SOTBS :) Do, Hitchens is in top form.
AmuseD21 3 weeks ago
blatant honesty accompanied with genuine humanity is hard to come by these days, christopher hitchins oozed it from every pore. if there was anything greater about himself than his intelligence and wisdom then it would be his desire to share it. dreadfully missed and painfully loved.
giznoot 1 month ago
hes a bit of a douche
wildone106 1 month ago
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On Hitchens. A great human being. A fighter for intellectual, moral, and personal freedom. Probably did more damage to religion than any man or woman in near history. Cared enough to save many people from the intellectually stunted abyss of religious affliction and the mind numbing message of unquestioning, slavering servility to power figures - good or corrupt - for percieved, GREEDY self-benifit. A hater of wanton ignorance and self-induced DENIALISM. And you my friend? Where do YOU stand?
evidenceonlythanx 1 month ago
I wish the world had listened to him more!
SuperMrScience 1 month ago
Carl Sagan, Christopher Hitchens, what next? More atheists, intellectuals, and scientists need to step up to the plate.
CollateralSmurf 1 month ago
i want to live my life taking the risk all the time that i don't know anything like enough yet, that i haven't understood enough, that i can't know enough, that i'm always hungerly operating on the margins of a potentially great harvest of future knowledge and wisdom, i wouldn't have it any other way - amazing statement
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themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
I believe it would behoove the rest of you to desist from replying to tonestar100 any further. I'm not a perfectly disciplined man by any means, but I do my best to live by the credo that "my enemies are ideologies, not individuals." Civil public discourse should be like controlled demolition: the ability to isolate and destroy an idea, containing the blast to that area, and reducing collateral damage to the person who held it. Tonestar100 is too immature to even make a post without an insult.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist Good point, but on the other hand he's so fun!
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DoctorCapitalist 1 month ago
I admit that being an atheist sometimes makes me sad. There is no awesome godless heaven for Hitch to go an engage those that died before him. I'm so glad he left numerous books, radio shows, and TV programs so that people can continuously benefit from his wisdom, brilliance, and wit.
MissMidoria 1 month ago
Though act to follow, heh?
x2thay 1 month ago
if ever there was an angel...
timewilltell7 1 month ago
All the great Western monotheistic cults share the same foundation. Their founding act of sin is daring to think for yourself. Their founding act of virtue is agreeing to gut one's own child with a knife.
LoGos7891 1 month ago 3
Hitchens at his best is horizontal and six feet under.
jpgrygus 1 month ago
@jpgrygus Ah, the humble approach of the religious. Nice to see that you prove me right every time :)
swedishguy83 1 month ago
Haters gon' hate... ~_^
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
Listening to Hitch 22 audio book, I believe it when he states that he can speak for hours uninterupted on just about any subject without an "um" or a "you know". Even if you dont agree with his religious or political ideaologies this man could speak better than most people breath.
ktm7979 1 month ago 2
@ktm7979 that's "breathe" if it matters to you.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@ktm7979 I know he'd said he could go on for hours without stuttering. He'd once had a speech-impediment. He encouraged people to be motivated by this if they suffer from the same, so that they know that there is hope for some who started off that way.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
Truly a source of inspiration and comfort to recovering Christians everywhere, having turned against doctrine and towards humanity.
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
Beautifully delivered by Hitchens. His bookish eloquence even as he speaks is a rarely found talent. I sincerely grieve his death, but his legacy, the call for intellectual honesty will live on in the words he left behind.
RIP, Chris. It is a shame there are no gods for you Hitchslap where you are now.
And thank you from the bottom of my heart!!
fastballonly 1 month ago 49
@fastballonly Thank you for that, it was a truly perfect comment
mikemoseley 1 month ago 7
@fastballonly Perfect, although I would point out that he would have preferred you cal him Christopher.
I mean that in the best way, just pointing out another wonderful idiosyncrasy.
theskepticalskeptic 1 month ago 2
@theskepticalskeptic Thank you. And yes I agree, I should have written Christopher instead of Chris. I am still shaken by his death. I even missed the infinitive"to" before "Hitchslap". I just could not think straight when I wrote that comment.
fastballonly 1 month ago
@fastballonly #1. Why use "RIP" if there is no soul and no rest?
#2. "Where you are now" should have no meaning to atheists since his body is decaying.
#3. Why are you thanking a dead person when atheists believe there is no one around to hear it?
jackpics 1 month ago
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@jackpics I am going to answer how I see it, as amn atheist myself...
#1Why use "RIP" if there is no soul and no rest? It is very common and the implied usage does not have to be literal
#2. "Where you are now" should have no meaning to atheists since his body is decaying.
that is subjective and does not equate to any specific thing
#3. Why are you thanking a dead person when atheists believe there is no one around to hear it?
giving thanks is independent of the person's status !
nordhorny 1 month ago
@jackpics
1. RIP - your right, we shouldn't use it but this just a testament to the extent how filthy christianity has infected our language.
2. No atheist believes in the afterlife, so this is a pointless question.
3. We are not thanking him directly asshole; we are thankful for all the work he has done in pursuit of a rational world fighting to save idiots like you from a life of delusion. We are not talking to Christopher; we are conversing among ourselves about what a great man he is.
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tonestar100 1 month ago
@jackpics 1. Either "RIP" is an idiom, or you are an idiot who cannot see that it is not to be taken literally.
2. It is the preceding words that count here. Don't you have any sense of irony?
3. IBID
fastballonly 1 month ago 13
@fastballonly Wrong use of the word "idiom" idiot!
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 It's such a shame that's the only counter-comment you can post. Okay, if not an idiom then "RIP" is a cultural expression to show respect and gratitude to the deceased. Anyway, I rest my case.
fastballonly 4 weeks ago 2
@fastballonly No, the real shame is for someone dabbling with literary pretense in your response to "jackpics" as though you're some sort of "wordsmith" complete with numbered points, for emphasis, the irony of your daffy use of the word "idiom" is lost on you. You asked "jackpics" if he had any sense of irony. Obviously he does, and rightly so! He found it ironic you would use the phrase, "RIP" which, IRONICALLY, is a Catholic supplication for the soul's eternal rest. Anyway, I rest in peace.
tonestar100 4 weeks ago
@fastballonly
You're an idiom.
babyshambler 3 weeks ago
@jackpics If you really believe that being atheist means not believing in an afterlife, you need to rethink the word. You can be spiritual without believing in god, Buddhists don't believe in god, but the core of their beliefs is that humans are spiritual beings who are reincarnated at different levels of existence until reaching enlightenment. Also, atheists can be agnostic, and say "maybe there is an afterlife and god, but I don't believe it."
ridered300 3 weeks ago
@jackpics 1. It's in our language. 2. This life is all we have and to me that makes it more important. 3. Why would we thank our for fathers? Because they led a change and it's more of paying homage than truly thanking the person. Once again, it's in our language.
whatwhen45 3 hours ago
@fastballonly CHRISTOPHER. Not Chris. He wouldn't appreciate what he called the "circumcision" of his name.
KillerHill06 1 month ago
@KillerHill06 I know. theskepticalskeptic pointed that out already and I replied to him. It was not intentional. Of course he should be referred to as Christopher.
By the way, I like that quote from him circumcision of his name. Well put.
fastballonly 1 month ago
@fastballonly i love you for that in what you wrote
surrfers73 1 month ago 2
@surrfers73 Thank you for your warm comment.
fastballonly 1 week ago
@fastballonly thank you for saying what I wish I could have said in such a "Hitchens" way.
Realtruth666 4 weeks ago
when I heard he had died, I was shaken to my core,
I had the awful premonition that one of the brightest lights on the planet had gone out,
and that the world slipped back into the dark ages a little bit.
RedLeprachaun 1 month ago 63
@RedLeprachaun What the f@%k? You over doing it a little?
jpgrygus 1 month ago
@RedLeprachaun Felt the same way, we all lost a great teacher.
However, we are in the dark ages, not in the killing sense, but in knowledge.
DrNaturalPhenomena 1 month ago
@DrNaturalPhenomena You are so right, 10 fold in the US.
gutterdocmd 1 month ago
@RedLeprachaun Those who die all had the opportunity to live on in the living. Hitchens is only one example of someone who did and does.
MrPerfectMeme 1 month ago
@RedLeprachaun i totaly feel the same way. The fucking guys an inspiration that puts the most miraculous miracles to shame!
surrfers73 1 month ago
@RedLeprachaun I absolutely feel the same way! Christopher Hitchens absolutely changed my life for the better! Your statement made me burst into tears it was so lovely and inspiring... you rock!
surrfers73 1 month ago 4
@RedLeprachaun
he lit too many fires before he left for his light to die out
timewilltell7 1 month ago
@RedLeprachaun I felt the same way Red but then again he left us with his words.
tsunami770 1 month ago
@RedLeprachaun Everytime I see what you wrote makes me cry every single time because what you said was so true and beautiful i love you!
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@RedLeprachaun Everytime I see what you wrote makes me cry every single time because what you said was so true and beautiful i love you!
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@RedLeprachaun Everytime I see what you wrote makes me cry every single time because what you said was so true and beautiful i love you!
surrfers73 1 month ago
Christopher Hitchens did more to advance the human race than all of the religions have ever done. He was a brilliant man!
wm17959 1 month ago
FREEDOM! thanks Hitch,for saying what i think.
lr2025 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Hitchens was married twice, the latter one lasted till his death. You couldn't know his sexuality, so don't pretend to. He spent his life fighting against some of the greatest evils (such as religion and political assholes like Clinton). He helped free so many people, including myself, from the prison created by religious indoctrination.
samcarr6 1 month ago 3
@samcarr6 His homosexual trysts are chronicled in his own autobiography "Hitch-22" dumbass. His words, moron. Your lame attack on Mother Theresa is as doomed as your defense of Hitchens. Hitchens took it in the ass. Deal with it.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 @tonestar100 Ironically, after defending yourself against the notion that you'd tried to win an argument by an assassination of character or name-calling, you again go on to lambast Christopher Hitchens for his bisexuality, as though it helps your position at all. All the pedophile priests couldn't "disprove Catholicism." A math teacher being an alcoholic has no bearing on how true his teachings on math are in class. Hitchens' bisexuality has zero impact on his arguments.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist Your failure to mention the first portion of my response regarding Mother Theresa is staggering. Either it's intentional, which makes you intellectually dishonest, or you really are that intellectually challenged. Instead you engage in blather and bombast regarding pedophile priests. You are correct, however, in recognizing I did defend myself against a notion. A better analogy: an alcoholic math teacher has no credibility if he attacks the immorality of teaching drunk.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist So I see you finally found out who "sam" is. Bravo boy genius! But still you missed one of my initial 2 comments directed to him. I'm tired of your weary amateur hour gaffs. If you want to pee in the tall grass with the big boys you better get your shit straight. I'm light years ahead of you slomo.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Well, despite all your emphasis on the first of your two comments, simply stating that Mother Teresa's order has missions around the world and then stating their intended purpose (you did of course forget to mention spreading the Catholic faith as one of these) does not constitute a particularly strong argument. We know all of this already. However, charities such as Oxfam and MSF do as much if not more good without wasting time on proselytising.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 You're an idiot. Neither Oxfam nor MSF specifically deal with bringing comfort and hope to dying terminal people. Those people are not being given catechism you moron! Moreover, for you to even attempt to claim which "does more good" is proof positive of how absolutely dildoic your thinking is. Your blatant attempt to minimize Mother Theresa's work is made worse by the fact you don't know what the fuck her charities actually do. You're a fraud.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Wow, you really love your ad hominems. Also, I'm a female bimbo thanks kindly. I don't deny that the charity work that the Sisters of Charity do is beneficial to those who receive it (although just how beneficial is perhaps up for debate) however you can not deny that they are a religious organisation and so therefore are at the best wasting time and resources (in my opinion) preaching or at worst spreading dogmas which will ruin already ruined lives.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Indeed, in my anti-theist opinion, their secularism has in fact a positive impact in and of itself because, as you are no doubt aware, faith and dogma of any kind (but Catholicism in particular) are hugely destructive in the third world.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 Also, in a proper response to your beleaguered second comment, the fact that Hitchens was bisexual has of course no bearing on any of his arguments (your drunken maths teacher attacking the immorality of drunken teaching analogy is a failed one because it would imply that Hitchens attacked bisexuality, which he most certainly did not) and is also nothing to live down. Here is where I must disagree with themediocrenontheist, to compare alcoholism and paedophilia with bisexuality...
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 ...or homosexuality is either wrong or a failed comparison. Sexuality is not immoral and it is not a crime.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 I don't recall comparing alcoholics, pedophiles, and bisexuals as being tantamount to one another in any notable way. Perhaps there's been a misunderstanding...also, and it's boring and moot anyhow, but my analogy with the alcoholic math teacher never insinuated that they'd show up for work drunk, but rather drink in their free time. I was simply saying that a math teacher could not have their work's accuracy contested solely on the grounds that they drank too much in their free time.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist I was sure you didn't mean it like that, and your point is a valid one, the actions of individuals have no bearing on the morality or verity of a movement ("all the paedophile priests don't disprove religion"). I just don't think (and I'm sure you don't either) that it applies in Hitch's case. Also, my refutation for the math analogy was to our dear angry friend rather than you.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 Yep, you understood perfectly. :)
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist homo
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Dunning-Kruger effect
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 "..as you are no doubt aware.." In fact, I'm aware of nothing of the kind. And neither are you. You just said that because you thought it sounded good. Even for a male bimbo you embarrass yourself.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 You may not like my rhetorical style but I can assure you that I am well aware of the harm religion does in the world and 3rd world in particular. If you are not you are misinformed or wilfully ignorant. Also, the mud-slinging does not lend itself to respect. I'm perfectly willing to debate stridently but let's keep it about the issues.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 Let's see if I have your strident, rhetorical argument correct: The Sisters of Charity do good work (how "much" good is precisely unknown) and they are a religious organization. And everyone knows, unless they're wilfully ignorant or misinformed, or so your argument goes, religion does harm in 3rd world countries. Astounding. Ha ha ha!
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Not quite, my argument is that the charity work that The Sisters of Charity do is good HOWEVER (you seem to have interpreted this as BECAUSE of) they are religious and this is a disadvantage to them because religion does harm in 3rd world countries. That is why secular organisations such as Oxfam and MSF are better in my eyes.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 You're going beyond my statement of your argument and conjecturing what my interpretation of "why" The Sisters of Charity do much good. The plain meaning on the face of my statement was correct. Try not to speak for my thought process and stick to the words written. That's how you get into trouble with all your straw man arguments.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 If I did do that then I am sorry. However, what I was trying to do was to refute your attempt at ridiculing my argument by making it seem contradictory. I did this through clarifying my argument and pointing out the only way my argument is contradictory is if I had said that the Sisters of Charity do good work because of religion. Is that comprehensible to you? On another note, perhaps you could point out a straw-man argument I've made?
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@tonestar100 Mother Teresa said that contraception was equivalent to abortion which was equivalent to murder. However much help she gave to AIDS patients, she more than made up for by helping the spead of HIV in pious third world countries. She took money from the Duvaleir family in Haiti which was in turn, robbed of the poorest people in Haite. And you are "delighted" that she gave it to other people and then accepted all the praise that she received for doing so.
samcarr6 1 month ago
very much missed
mollydenn 1 month ago
@6musky It is possible I may have misinterpreted Paglia's views which would be hypocritical of me and in which case I would have to apologise. I'm not familiar with her work but my quick Google search found that she claims that religion is essential in order to preserve our high arts and culture, which is false. I would think that in a world where theocrats are our enemies, the last thing that religion needs is more respect.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
Revisionist history comprehensively destroyed by this brilliant tortured man. Any dissenters need to question their own personal agendas as Mr Hitchin used only a fact based encyclopedic knowledge to spread understanding. What is the dissenters objectives?
cdwrightcd 1 month ago
i believe this is true in latin amrican womwn had an average of 6 to 10 kids spreading poverty as not able to provide for all this kids religion alon has fucked people over with their bullshit
eduardorey100 1 month ago
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...and now you Hitchens have had your hate-filled, venomous mouth silenced by your death and now you are in hades in flames of enormous agony in the midst of the earth waiting your resurrection to be cast into hell when Jesus says to you, :Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. I never knew you!" Hitchens, you speaks like the whole world speaks, angry, vitriolic and absolutely ignorant of what you say draped in eloquent words phrases.
PureAirSolutions 1 month ago
A courageous man. May he rest in peace.
Cinqmil 1 month ago
Though I enjoy a good hitchens sermon... I would
LosAngelasBasketball 1 month ago
Christopher Hitchens death was an absolutely devastating loss for humanity. There really is no one(that I know of) who can debate so eloquently, make such perfectly pointed arguments or tell someone off in the most certain terms as he could. He made a huge impact and he will be missed.
gregsiska 1 month ago
What a lukewarm crock of cat shit. Your Atheistic Messiah is worm shit.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 How nice of you.Would you mind actually presenting some counter arguments or would you rather continuing spewing more life-destroying nonsense?
samcarr6 1 month ago
@samcarr6 Sure why not: "Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity at the time of her death had 610 missions in 123 countries including hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counselling programmes, orphanages and schools." And all Hitchens can carp about is who gave her the money. I'm delighted to know the money to do this work came from the worst people. Better in her hands than theirs.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@samcarr6 Hitchens, on the other hand, after spending his formative college years playing homosexual - decided being queer wasn't enough se tried playing for the other team. Apart from being worshipped by atheists in need of a mouthpiece, he pissed his short life away drinking and smoking too fucking much. He wasn't the beginning of a pimple on the late, great Mother Thersa's ass. There's my counter argument Sam.
tonestar100 1 month ago
@tonestar100 "There's my counter argument Sam."
I haven't read anything by "Sam," but I would mention that, with all due respect, that entire paragraph was one gigantic argumentum ad hominem. Attacks on an individual's character cannot be the sole bearing by which one refutes an opponent's central point, because the veracity of an ideology is independent of the habits and/or foibles of those who carry the belief.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
@themediocrenontheist Firstly, it is rapidly apparent you read only the 2nd part of a 2 part reply to "samcarr6." The first part is wholly substantive, and the 2nd part you're quibbling about was observation and opinion. Thus, my observations on Hitchens are not, as you inartfully stated, "the sole bearing by which [I] refute[s] an opponent's central point." (Insert guffaw here). Please, do spare me the literary pretense and Bertrand Russell impersonation.
tonestar100 1 month ago
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@tonestar100 "What a lukewarm crock of cat shit. Your Atheistic Messiah is worm shit."
Copy-pasting gets repetitive, but is sometimes necessary. Name-calling and argumentum ad hominem attacks equate to nothing in and of themselves. Attacks on an individual's character cannot be the sole bearing by which one refutes an opponent's central point, because the veracity of an ideology is independent of the habits and/or foibles of those who carry the belief. Insults feel good, but are hot air.
themediocrenontheist 1 month ago
I AM AN ATHEIST. So whoever is using my handle to make comments to the contrary is a dick.
vegapoky 1 month ago
Brilliant man. He looks like Bruce Willis
fadedgotjaded 1 month ago
I can,t understand why anybody would have praised this nothingness loving fanatic.
Bigboy5650 1 month ago
@Bigboy5650 There's a difference between claiming that there is no theistic god and to claiming that there is nothing. Atheists love just as strongly as the religious, we just love reality.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@Bigboy5650 Im assuming that you didnt actually watch the video
samcarr6 1 month ago
I like Camille Paglia, who is an atheist but still has respect for the contribution of the spiritual and religious in art and culture. I think those who want to ban all references to any religious texts and who react with automatic rage and scorn when someone mentions them are bigots who throw out the baby with the bathwater.
6musky 1 month ago
@6musky And you are obviously unfamiliar with Hitchens' views on this matter. There is a difference between respect for human creations such as religious art, music and architecture and an understanding of the importance of the Bible as a literary work comparable to those of Homer (all of which Hitch has) and Paglia's claim that one cannot be inspired by the secular.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21
When did she say that?
Hitchens has inspired a new generation to scoff and rage against any mention of religion or religious stories or symbolism, it may not have been his intention but it's there.
6musky 1 month ago
@AmuseD21
I'm puzzled as to why you say that Paglia claims that one can't be inspired by the secular, most of her work is about how people ARE inspired by the secular.
6musky 1 month ago
He died as a slave to his own ways
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JesusChristDaily 1 month ago
Brilliant man, he died as a free man, what else is of any value at that momen.t
judbon 1 month ago
Jesus christ he was a brilliant man.
MrPepiopi 1 month ago
All Christopher did was to speak the truth and his closing lines in this video will ring forever true in my ears.
May I wish all that read this a merry xmas and a happy new year.
naybobdenod 2 months ago 13
@naybobdenod I memorized about ½ of it so far. He has left me in tears of relief, and helps me shed the ravages of my xtian indoctrination. They are words for the 21st century mind. I fear they cannot be heard by what passes for "the mind," when it is indoctrinated by evil, bronze age myths, immoralities, and wickedness. I listen to Mr. Hitchens words and experience the numinous and the transcendent, based ONLY on objective reality and its wonders. Wisdom properly denies all faith claims.
somthinjustaintright 1 month ago
I don't think systemof... is at all Christian.
AmuseD21 2 months ago
*Minchin
AmuseD21 2 months ago
Now if we were to have any God, surely Tim Minchen would be a better choice than Yaweh or Allah
AmuseD21 2 months ago
@DwarfPriest Of course you can have religious faith and still be perfectly intelligent. What you can not do is maintain your intellectual integrity while doing so.
AmuseD21 2 months ago 20
@AmuseD21 Yes you can. You're going to find that many people have different points of view based on their own reasoning. In short we must retain our humanism despite of differences.
CadaverSplatter 1 month ago
@CadaverSplatter Give me one example of a theistic position achieved through reason, I'm sure there are millions who would love to know.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
@AmuseD21 Well said.
cyberslick18 1 month ago
@cyberslick18 Thank you kindly.
AmuseD21 1 month ago
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procommenter 2 months ago
@cool2t Of course I'm not suggesting we ban the word atheism. I think I understand what you mean by "going back" as in going back to faith. No atheists would go back because we are certain that all faiths are false. It is only the deist god that we are agnostic about. Can I ask whether you are unsure about all faiths equally or only Christianity?.
AmuseD21 2 months ago
Because you obviously can't have faith and have knowledge and reason. I work with computers and still have faith. I'm apparently out of the system.
DwarfPriest 2 months ago
@DwarfPriest On page 293 of "Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus in Dictionary Form," Edited by the Princeton Language Institute, Barbara Ann Kipfer, Ph.D., Head Lexicographer (1993) ...we find the synonyms for: FAITH : acceptance, allegiance, assent, assurance, belief, certainty, certitude, confidence, constancy, conviction, credence, credit, credulity, dependence, faithfulness, fealty, fidelity, hope, loyalty, reliance, stock, store, sureness, surety, troth, truth, truthfulness
procommenter 2 months ago