As I understanding right,Edmonton was 1985 Stanley Cup Winer.Here we can see,that Red Army(USSR champion)beat Oilers without any questions.
N.Americans talking that Canada is No 1,but according to this video I can see,that Soviets outshoot them 2 times(game result 6-3).It was done on a Canadian home ice.
@Shredboy1 "The fact Messier wasn't on the ice was a huge factor... Russians feared him.."
What are you talking about?Soviets even didn't know who was it.For them was doesn't matter(they didn't heard this name).Gretzky-may be,the rest were mediocre
Lol ur on crack right fuhr won 2 cups in a row with the oilers, and he was the best goaltender in the world. He outdueled billy smith 1-0 when smith and the islanders won 4 cups in a row in ny on the road in game 1 which probably is the greatest shutout in finals history.
Watch the other games fuhr had against the russians particularly game 2 in 1987 canada cup. Big game and the game on the line he was the go to guy. Igor Larionov once said in an interview he was the best goalie he ever faced
In that 87 Canada Cup Fuhr gave up many bad goals against the Soviets, including a few from the blue line.
During the season this game was played, Fuhr was maybe considered more reliable than Moog since he played most of the playoff games, but not clearly better.
@unnamed00 Grant Fuhr relied on reflexes and athleticism to makes saves. If he had the better equipment that modern day goalies had and learned the fundamentals that they do today he would of been the greatest goaltender ever. In edmonton when he was coming up he didnt even have a goalie coach. Look how the goalies are trained today.
@unnamed00 if fuhr came up through the quebec leagues and learned there fundamentals of proper butterfly angles and positioning bar none he would be the greatest goaltender ever. Patrick roy wasnt half the athlete fuhr was and he was a positioning genius and he would always stop the puck. It would always hit him on the chest he was never out of position and while grants doing summersaults to make saves.
@raj2007ca watch game 2 if it wasnt for fuhr no way canada even makes it for a game 3. 45 saves game 2 vs a russian juggernault. Moog was a decent goalie but he was never elite. When fuhr was on his game he was the best goaltender world. He was clutch throughout his career. His last playoff series win with the blues was a game 7 1-0 shutout against pheonix coyotes. Thats clutch
@unnamed00 he made two the first one was the pad save and the second one was the backhander that went right in fuhrs glove. But he made 45 saves in that game against a russian juggernault that wasnt that bad man. When the games on the line hes one of the best to ever play the game. Tretiak was one of the best i ever seen also
Howcome grant fuhr didnt play. In 1985 he was the best goaltender in the world andy moog sucks and always has and always will some of those goals the russians scored were crap
They were way ahead. Plyometrics, off ice stickhandling, powerskating. All the things we do now they were doing it since the 60'S. The fall of communism ouloud some of the best Soviet instructors to come to north america and introduce their secrets. Crosby attended Turcotte Stickhandling clinics inspired by russian trainings and was trained using russian style powerskating.Same with Stamkos Hall, Seguin etc etc. We will never give them the credit they deserve cause oi course we invented game
this arguing is ridicolous, i hear everywhere that the red army team had no competition in their own league, sure they stacked the best players in CSKA, but the soviet union had a population of close to 300 million, there mustve been enough talent for the rest of the teams. as for the excuses that the oilers play 80 game season, they were in the middle of a christmas break. The russians won since they had as much talent but more chemistry and were better disciplined and insane training
Coffey and Huddy were brutal in this game. And what was with the McClelland line matching up vs the KLM line? Brutal coaching in this game by Edmonton.
Ho my God ! The stanley cup winner looking as childs . I did not remember this game until this video. Russia had a Wonder Team, They skate more, they tink more. They score more. PERIOD. loll
Thank you so much for uploading this piece of history. That's realy insane. The Oilers owned on the NHL ice by the mighty mighty red army team. Old time CSKA hockey was and still is tha shiznit
Yes the Oilers lost this game, but they didn't practice for 4 days prior to the game. They sent everybody home for the Christmas break because all they cared about was the Stanley Cup. This was an exhibition game to them; they really didn't care if they lost. Read Kevin Lowe's book CHAMPIONS if you don't believe me. If they had taken this game seriously, I truly believe they would have not only beaten the Soviet team, but smoked them.
@unnamed00 Read the book I referenced you, it's all in there. Considering all the excuses you make for Josef Kompalla, I don't know where you get off accusing anyone else of making excuses.
@unnamed00 You put in footage of a game that he reffed in 1974 and said this was proof enough for you that he wasn't a bad referee two years later. That's an excuse. Call it whatever you want, but the Oilers didn't consider this a must-win game. It was an exhibition game. If you want to hold a grudge over it, take it up with them.
@unnamed00 Grant Fuhr was the team's top goalie. In two of the Islanders' four Stanley Cup seasons, Billy Smith played less games than another goalie. (Chico Resch in 1980, Roland Melanson in 1983) Yet when the games counted, who started? If the Oilers had not been treating this like an exhibition game, do you not think Fuhr would have started?
You can't say that Fuhr was so much better than Moog at that point. Fuhr was preferred in the playoffs by the coach but you can't say that Moog was that inferior and could not play in important games.
@MaximChicago Too bad nobody ever puts up videos of the Oilers smoking the Soviet teams. They hammered Voskresensk Khimik in 1989 6-2, yet nobody ever seems to put those videos up.
Ha, this is absolutely hilarious, this is like looking through a time machine in some respects. If you know anything about hockey strategy you can tell the Russians are using a lot of the modern day tactics vs the Oilers 80's style, improvisational fire wagon game plan. It wasn't until the mid-90's that teams started putting a huge emphasis on strategy. The soviets also have better fundamental skills, lots of clutch and grab by the Oilers, they'd be in the box for half the game nowadays.
Again, this is one game.2 years ago, Mettalurg Magnitogorsk earned the right to play for the Victoria Cup.That team was all Russian.Now you say the Soviets have better fundamental skills and don't need to clutch and grab.The NY Rangers were picked to play that Russian team on an Olympic style rink,clutching and grabbing resulted in penalties,and in order to win the game, you needed some good fundamental skill.The Rangers won with scorers like Drury, Fritche, + Callahan. 3 average U.S. players
Alright let me take it a step further. The single exhibition games have no bearing on who has the better team. Give me one Russian team and stick them in the NHL. They would never be able to handle an 82 game season including the playoffs. You're always going to have a few scattered Super Star Russians in the league. I'd like to see Malkin win a Conn Smythe surrounded by a cast of players predominantly Russian. In these round robin tournaments,I'll admit, Russia is great.
There is not a lot of Russian players in the league for that to be likely. Most of the players were/are Canadian, so of course Cup teams have been and will mostly be dominated by Canadians.
A Soviet team of that time might not have had it easy in an 82 game NHL season but the same is true if any NHL team would have played in the Soviet league.
I'm not trying to downgrade the skill and determination of Russian players. Yes, this was a terrific Oilers team.And as far as international play goes,Gretzky was the only Canadian voted to the iihf all world team.Russia had 5 (Kharlamov,Makarov,Fetisov,Larionov and Tretiak).The people who voted on the panel represented countries from around the world.But as far as the NHL is goes..(which is still the top league in the world), I want to see a Russian player Captain a a team to a Cup.
thats unfair...i dont think there have even been more then 1 or 2 russians to ever captain a team...NHL refs are english speaking it wouldnt make sense to make somebody who cant speak the language the main guy who has to talk to refs about stuff...But Lidstrom was captain and won a cup... not a russian but a swede
Yea but Desantnik- this is not the NHL versus the Soviet Red Army team. These were the best Soviet Players on one team taking on (like you said) individual NHL teams. I can't say I'm that impressed here. Throw Lemieux, Bossy, and Savard in this game with a couple of monsters in front of the net like Kerr and Tocchet and the results may have been different.
On top of all said.. I am not sure where you get your stats. THey look a bit short. If you check all stats of CSKA vs NHL teams, the result is actually devastating for NHL teams. They lost nearly every game... if you say that it was top Russian club beating average NHL teams, then look up more games where Dynamo Moscow, Khimik Voskresens, Krylja Sovetov, SKA Leningrad( that is right you probably never even heard of those) beat the hell out of their NHL counterparts.
I don't think so. Red Army is the best team to ever play. They were just better, and they played a different style of hockey than the NHL teams did. I don't think it would have made a difference which Oilers team they played. Nothing against Edmonton, they were a good team too, but Red Army was better.
youre full of shit. the Red Army team was the most overrated hockey team in the history of the game. Their record against the top NHL teams: 75-76 Canadiens 3-3 tie 75-76 Flyers 4-1 loss 79-80 Sabres 6-1 loss 79-80 Canadiens 4-2 loss 79-80 Islanders 3-2 win 82-83 Oilers 4-3 loss 82-83 Flames 3-2 loss 85-86 Nordiques 5-1 loss 85-86 Oilers 6-3 win you see retard, thats a losing record. I dont think youre proud of that are you? and quit hiding in your closet when reading smart comments.
yea like unamed00 said you missed a few and players that come from red army are great. These players include Vladislav Tretiak, 3 gold medels, Valeri Kharlamov and now for players who played in the NHL Zubov played 5 seasons with the CSKA and look what he became a rock solid defeceman who could knock you yo ass out. Dont forget about zherdev he could snipe the puck as well as anyone on the columbus blue jackets when he was with that team. So CSKA has a great history and have developed great
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If it was the 84, the Oilers would have destroyed the Red Army. The Red Army wouldnt even qualify as a team in the NHL. Why? Well look they have 4 great lines. No NHL team has or had that. Thats not fair. Thats why you have the universal amateur and later entry draft. Fair competition, fair rules. The only reason why Russia loaded up the Red Army team with superstars was so they could prepare properly for the Olympics, Worlds, etc. I seen many of their "best games", nothing spectacular.
*Yawn* Myths, clichés... do you actually have anything else to offer?
CSKA NEVER had 4 great lines. Never ever. If you know anything about Soviet hockey and look at the boxscores, you'll notice that CSKA's top and 2nd line were always nearly totally responsible for the scoring when they toured the NHL; especially in the 1975-76 Super series, but later on too.
These games were played in NHL-sized rinks, in front of their (NHL teams) home-crowds, mid-season; what are you whining about?
Numerous great Soviet players in the '70s/'80s played for some other team than CSKA (i.e. Red Army); Starshinov, Vasiliev, Maltsev, Yakushev, Shadrin, Shalimov, Shepelev, Lyapkin, Skvortsov, Vladimir Golikov... and guys like Kapustin and Balderis had only brief stints with the team.
1979-83 THE SOVIET NATIONAL TEAM indeed had 4 great lines (on paper at least)- but not the Red Army, not in 1985-86 nor before & later. Live & learn.
THANK YOU so much for posting this!!! this is what the internet was made for... Central Red Army were LOADED... Makarov is already a stud by then, Bykov, Khumotov, all top-end forwards... entire backline could move the puck seamlessly end to end..
Oil couldn't run with them on this particular night...
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So much for the 'The Great One"! Canadian hockey is sooo pathetic - when was the last time that tin cup - for all it's worth - wind up in a Canuk City!
CSKA was so 'good' because they had most of the good players in the Soviet Union. They stacked the team by 'drafting' most of the good players into the 'Army' and then put them on the team that trained together 11 out of the 12 months in a year. They won 17 out of the 20 Soviet league titles from 1970 to 1989. Team Canada vs. Team Russia was a much fairer contest as that evened out the talent levels.
@bjdon99 Edmonton also had all best players in this time from NHL and won 4 or 5 times Stanley cup. And something else - in the 80 canadians clubs had best players from Sweden and Finnland too, Russians had play only with owner (=soviet) players. Anyway others russians clubs also always won the series vs NHL clubs.
I think that the 1987 oilers team would have done better against the red army in that type of puck handling and speed game with Kent Nilsson , Reijo ruotsalainen , Pouzar ect...they were much faster than in 85 !
Its also bizarre to see the red army dominating the oilers like that without Tretiak, mikhailov , Kapustin , Kharlamov ect...because with a better red army team in the 70's they were not capable to beat Montreal in their prime , their best was a tie game in 75 (MTL outshots R-A: 38-16)
it seems like 70's team was more about individual stars, like Kharlamov and Mikhailov. 80's team was more focused on offensive team play. I'd say 80's team was better.
Was there any reason at to why the game wasn't televised in Edmonton ? I find that so hard to believe the way the Oilers played and that they probably played before sellouts every night . It'A Wonderful Life must have tv that night .
let's not forget, this was only one game. of course the Oilers could have beaten them, but not on this night! let's not forget that CSKA Moscow was enormously talented, more than likely an upper level NHL calibre team, had they played as an actual NHL team. they should be givin credit.
we'll never know that, will we? let's see how they perform with an 80 or so game season before we declare them an absolute top NHL team! let's not forget, they only play about 40 or so game season in Europe.
Today and yesterday is totally different. I talk about this time and I know that CSKA Moscow was not some kind of joke. It was 13/20 of the CCCP-team and they won quite som games during time as I remeber. Hockey of today is something else and i'm not interested anymore.
it's true that a number of Russians who initially came over to the NHL had success, but then guys like Krutov did not. i'm suggesting that as a team, if they had played together for 80 or so games, season after season, it would have been interesting to see how well they really would have done! i am in no way comparing this team's players with players of today.
But I don't see why that should be an essential difference. I think that players as Michalov, Kharlamov, Maltsev, Makarov, Petrov, Firsov, Yakusev etc..never would go short on quantity nor quality. Anyway, hockey of today is not the same as hockey of yesterday. Hockey has developed the canadian way the last 15 years.
@InnocentWar1 "The statistics show that the Soviet-teams won more than 70% of their matches vs NHL teams" - What a stupid statement that only a stupid Russian fan would say. Of course they won most of these games...and should have won most. You can't even compare a team like the Red Army to an NHL club...the Red Army was basically the best of Russia. The only time Russia/CCCP beat the best of Canada was in the 1981 Cup...period. Team Canada would have won 70% of the games against NHL too.
@alexandergarbuz - You really are hockey uneducated. Canada won the 1976 Canada Cup...CCCP wasn't even in the finals. The 1981 Canada Cup was the only best on best tourney Russia/USSR won since 1972. In 2006 Sweden won the Olympics...Russia didn't even get a medal. Since 1972 there have been 11 tournies where each country could send their best players...Canada won 7, Sweden 1, Czech 1, USA 1 & CCCP/Russia 1. That pretty much tells you who is the best country at hockey.
@dunbunter - My point is....you can't compare an NHL club with a club tream from the Soviet union.... Do I really have to explain why? I'm sick and tired of watching all these Russian videos showing Russian teams beating NHL teams and then claiming they were superior... The fact is....when Canada's best played against Russia's best wearing the Canadian jersey we kicked Russia's ass....period.
@squirrellylikesfish Your point is your subjective opinion. It proved not the least of your "we". Did you play? Since it is so Spartak and Dynamo had not the resources that CSKA had. Despite this, they kicked the NHL teams asses, most of the times, when they met. If we then will talk about the meetings in Canada Cup when Canada won their matches, they did it mostly because the referee was on the canadian side. Canada Cup 1987 is an insult to hockey.
@dunbunter - I laugh at the Russian fans on here that blame the referees for their loss in the 1987 Canada Cup... Rather than admit they were beaten by a better team. Did you even watch the 1987 Canada Cup?...or did you just watch stupid Russian comments on youtube? I personally watched every minute of those games live....I watched the 1981, 84, 87 Canada Cups...plus the World Cups in the 90's....If you watch the 1987 Canada Cup you can clearly see that Canada was the better team.....Continued
@dunbunter - Cont - Canada took the game to the Soviets and outplayed them most of the time... The Soviets had a good team and they made a series out of it... but Canada was clearly better. I say this objectively because I also watched the 1981 Canada Cup and the Soviet Union were clearly the better team in that series. Blaming the Refs is complete bull. If you want to talk about biased refereeing.... then what about the Russian Refs during the 72 Summitt Series? Canada literally...Cont..
@dunbunter - Cont - Canada literally spent almost half the game in the penalty box and we still won the remaining 3 games in Moscow. You are correct that it is a major advantage to host the game. Unfortunately with Professional players it is difficult to arrange a best on best tourny... the yearly World Championships of hockey does not work in this regard....especially with the IIHF holding the tourney during the NHL playoffs....The Canada Cup & World Cups were held in both Canada ...Cont
@dunbunter -Cont - both Canada & the US. The only "true" best on best tourney there is on a yearly basis is the World U20 Junior Championships...In the last 25 years....Canada has won the gold 13 times!...Russia only 5....and this tourney is held every year in a different location around the world.... Are you going to blame biased Referees for this too? You can rent the 1987 Canada Cup in the video store....I recommend you watch it before making stupid comments...Canada was better..period.
@squirrellylikesfish You describe your own reality. If Canada did not send its best players, it is their own damn problem. For your information, I'll mention that the Soviet sent a reserve team to Canada Cup 1976. At the Summit Series in 1972 Bobby Clarke deliberately injured Kharlamov. How typically Canadian. Canada has brought hockey from a sport of finesse to a brutal smackdown. I would not like to see an NHL game even if I got paid.
@dunbunter-I know that in 1976 the Soviets sent a B team to play...I don't brag about this event..it's interesting though how there is so many Russian fans that brag about winning the World Chp's in 2008/09 where Russia's B team beat Canada's B team. In 1972 the refs in Russia were so corrupt that they sent Canadians to the penalty box for over half the game!!... Canada got frustrated and decided to even things up a bit by hurting Kharlamov..I don't agree with this at all.. cont
@squirrellylikesfish man to be fair 1987 Canada Cup and 1984 Canada was very close.Overtime in 1984,overtime in 1987 second game.I just seen the Canada Cup 1987 game.What a great game!And sorry for that,but The canada was not clealy beter,it was an equal and in your home.
@dunbunter- Cont - but the series turned into a war. Both sides were willing to win at all costs...one time Canada scored a goal and the goal judge did not want to turn on the light. You are right about describing everyting from my own reality. I played alot of hockey when I was a kid...and from all of that there was only two players that I played with that made it to the NHL...Jim Mackenzie & Brendon Morrow... Brendon was on the 2010 olympic gold team. I can tell you that I played....Cont
@dunbunter - Cont - played with guys that had much more skills than these two guys. I remember one kid that scored over 100 goals in a year....but as we grew up and the game got more physical his skills were minimized...he never made it anywhere...Is this fair? Hockey can be played in different ways...you can play it like the Philadelphia Flyers of 76 who played hockey like a bunch of goons....or you can play it like an NHL all star game with no hitting at all. Personally, I like the ...Cont
@dunbunter - Cont - Personally I like the game somewhere in between.. I find watching an NHL all star game boring...Watching Russia play against Sweden was pretty much the same thing. I like to watch a hard hitting, tough physical style of game... but the 76 Flyers went too far. I agree with you that watching NHL hockey is boring...when the NHL brought Euro's in the league the skill level went up, but so did the amount of high sticking, diving and cheap shots. I like to watch a clean ...cont
@dunbunter Cont - I like to watch a guy hand out a clean hard hit... I do not like to see a guy high stick a guy in the face....or elbow a guy in the face. There needs to be honor in the game... there was no honor when Clarke injured Kharlomov....likewise there is no honor is diving and embellishing to draw penalties....otherwise hockey will turn into a european soccer match. There is no honor in the NHL anymore... it's full of a bunch of millionaire pre-madonna's and it gets worse every year.
@squirrellylikesfish man TSCA won and lost only 7 games against best NHL teams.Learn to admire,TSCA was a great team,may be the greatesy team ever.There are no reasons to speak like this,to call someone stupton fan bacid russian,We are all hockey fans here and i was a huge Edmonton fan back there
Thanks for posting this. i lived in Edmonton in 1985 and this game wasn't televised. i had to listen to it on the radio, which sucked of course. 22 years later I get to see the actual video of it. Great!! Sherven and Summanen were only with the Oilers for a short while. Nice to see them again.
unnamed00: I know what your problem is. You live in a stupid little town that doesn't have a liquor store, a drugstore or a Wal-Mart. Tell you what, go and live in the big city and get drunk and then tell me if you were able to beat up a 5 yr old kid. Why am I saying this? Because thats how the Oilers felt in this game against the CSKA. The Oilers didn't win 56 games that year by turning the puck away this many times in ONE game. If they had, they would have had maybe 40 or 45 wins. Fuck you too
Whether the Oilers played like crap or were made to be crap by CSKA, does not matter; it is still their fault both ways.
And my city makes your city look like a shitty little town, so you are wrong there.
I guess you know too well how getting drunk and being feeble feels like. That is the problem with you. You were probably really drunk when you typed this.
unnamed00: I see you got lots and lots of poor videos showing the best team ever (Oilers) at their poorest. What is it with you bitch, are you jealous of the best team of all time? you must be, because you wouldn't be doing it if you weren't. I got last thing for you: try to think about this for a minute. In the biggest international games, on an overall basis (Canada Cup, World Cup and Summit Series), which players (Canadian or Soviet) were the best? You know who.
unnamed00: show me a game where the CSKA played a full Oilers lineup (healthy or otherwise) against a full CSKA team on any other day except Christmas because we (maybe not you athiest bitch) all know CHRISTMAS is the biggest day of the year. Now you know whos going to win you lame dip shit. You know all too well. I got something else for you: you talk about Messier? He was worth 5 Russian players you dumbfuck. Take him away, thats a whole starting lineup. You clearly know squat.
unnamed00: you clearly do not understand the english language, do you bitch? I said that the Oilers were most likely a christian team and that the russians were most likely a athiest team. what do you not understand bitch? this is completely relevant because the Oilers were in CELEBRATORY mood (Christmas time you bitch ass faggot) and the Russians were NOT in celebratory mood (since they are athiests). this is just fact. i could spit this in your face and you still wouldn't get it.
Well you know shit brains Christmas is not about being religious or anything in North America, but giving and getting useless presents and, according to you, getting drunk.
And it would not matter if the Soviets players were atheist or not since Russian Christmas is in January. You are just a simple minded idiot so I would not expect you to know that.
I got one last comment for you unnamed00: you think the Oilers are cheap, bad or average on a given holiday? I got news for you. When the Russians celebrate and drink, they are weaker and more drunk than your average 5 yr old kid. Yeah thats right. So quit picking the poor Oiler / Team Canada games because you are trash and know squat about hockey. The Oilers played great 85-90% of the time. The Russians? They were in better shape, yes, but that doesnt mean they were better.
Plus you fucking idiots don't know it was Christmas 1985? And everybody celebrates the holiday except the athiest Russians and all you Russian wanna-bes (yeah unnamed00 included). Yeah thats right, the Oiler players were in celebration mode and were in no shape to play the game against the CSKA. And excuse Coffey, he certainly didn't give the puck away like that very often in 85-86. I dont care what you fucks think, you don't know squat about hockey. Period. You dont look farther than ur noses.
nsoshnikov: you remove a Krutov or Makarov from your lineup, and make sure Larionov is played sick, and the Oilers win 6-3 easily. The CSKA team faced a sub Oilers team in retrospect. And besides you can't say which team was better by just one game. But if I had to bet who would be the better team in a 8 game series between both teams, I say the Oilers. Why? They were the most awesome offensive team and would have crushed the CSKA team that night had they been 100% effective and healthy.
nsoshnikov: Oilers no match for CSKA? I hardly doubt that. Youre ideas are certainly incorrect. Did you know that Messier did not play in this game? Did you know that Anderson hadn't played in a while (since he was on a suspension from the NHL, but was allowed to play). But Anderson did play but was very ineffective. Coffey, Gretzky and Kurri? You can't win with just three players. I don't care who they are, it doesnt matter. The Oilers were the better team on paper and on the ice(when healthy).
Moog was never in the big games for edmonton everytime he was he lost. Thats why im saying is wheres fuhr. Look at fuhrs record never lost in the finals 4-0 and 2 canada cups. Grant Fuhr is clutch!
lol who was in net for the first cup? Fuhr played the whole playoffs and what got injured last 1 or 2 games against the islanders?
He single handedly changed the complexion of that series when oilers face ny in ny and he outdueled billy smith whos coming off of 4 straight stanly cup appearances 1-0 in the first game of the series. That changed the complexion of the whole series!
It"s a very funny game.
quarktrue 1 week ago
2:21 holding!!!!
milleniumfalcon79 1 month ago
ДА ГРЕТЦКИ КАК ЩЕНОК ЗА ШАЙБОЙ БЕГАЛ)))СОВИЕТС КАК СЕРПОМ ПО ЯЙЦАМ НА СЛУХУ КАНАДЦЕВ)))
maximhuligan 2 months ago
As I understanding right,Edmonton was 1985 Stanley Cup Winer.Here we can see,that Red Army(USSR champion)beat Oilers without any questions.
N.Americans talking that Canada is No 1,but according to this video I can see,that Soviets outshoot them 2 times(game result 6-3).It was done on a Canadian home ice.
Have a question:Who was best in the Universe?
MrVasilenkoK 2 months ago
The fact Messier wasn't on the ice was a huge factor... Russians feared him..
Shredboy1 4 months ago
@Shredboy1
Nice excuse... Who told you that they feared him?
unnamed00 4 months ago 2
@unnamed00 Vladomir Kovin...
Shredboy1 4 months ago
@Shredboy1
When did Kovin say that?
Just because Messier elbowed him...
bengi86 4 months ago
@Shredboy1 Русские не боялись Мессье, потому как не знали кто это!
Макаров,Крутов,Ларионов,Быков,Каменский, были намного лучше чем Мессье,Гретцки и таму подобные!!!
DEZERTlR 3 months ago
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@Shredboy1 "The fact Messier wasn't on the ice was a huge factor... Russians feared him.."
What are you talking about?Soviets even didn't know who was it.For them was doesn't matter(they didn't heard this name).Gretzky-may be,the rest were mediocre
MrVasilenkoK 2 months ago
Gretzky,who is it?
MrVasilenkoK 5 months ago
Hockey was more interesting in this era.
MikeMths35 5 months ago
Шахматы
MikadoDF 5 months ago
Amazing passing by TSKA.
kozmon0t 6 months ago
Canada is a country of construction workers who knows how to fight on the ice LOL
Russia is like Mr.Muhammad Ali said:
Float like a butterfly.
Sting like a bee.
Your hands can't hit
what your eyes can't see
wg390 6 months ago
CCCP was the best.
There will never be better team as it was back then.
FrozenExplorer 7 months ago
Да были времена,когда из Гретцки клоуна делали
shuljup 7 months ago
@shuljup
Gtetzky never ever was good enoght against Russia
wg390 6 months ago
@wg390
5 assists from Gretzky in game 2 1987 Canada Cup FInal
Yeah, but in 1981 he had nothing to show.
gnomjara 6 months ago
i thinke CSKA 1985-86 would have won NHL 2011 champion.Sergey Makarov amd Wane Gretsky are my best
aleksandrpondios 7 months ago
The Soviet are so dominant i forgot Gretzky existed.
datsyuk134life 7 months ago
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Is that #12 Alexander Gerasimov? What kind of player he was? I've heard that he was marvellous stickhandler. Is that true?
Punamulkku 8 months ago
Is that #12 Alexander Gerasimov? What kind of player he was? I've heard that he was marvellous stickhandler. Is that true?
Punamulkku 8 months ago
молодцы
stas19689889 9 months ago
ЦСКА СССР !!!! born to be wild.
ELKI09PALKI09 9 months ago
Lol ur on crack right fuhr won 2 cups in a row with the oilers, and he was the best goaltender in the world. He outdueled billy smith 1-0 when smith and the islanders won 4 cups in a row in ny on the road in game 1 which probably is the greatest shutout in finals history.
Watch the other games fuhr had against the russians particularly game 2 in 1987 canada cup. Big game and the game on the line he was the go to guy. Igor Larionov once said in an interview he was the best goalie he ever faced
raj2007ca 9 months ago
@raj2007ca
Don't exaggerrate silly...
In that 87 Canada Cup Fuhr gave up many bad goals against the Soviets, including a few from the blue line.
During the season this game was played, Fuhr was maybe considered more reliable than Moog since he played most of the playoff games, but not clearly better.
unnamed00 9 months ago
@unnamed00 Grant Fuhr relied on reflexes and athleticism to makes saves. If he had the better equipment that modern day goalies had and learned the fundamentals that they do today he would of been the greatest goaltender ever. In edmonton when he was coming up he didnt even have a goalie coach. Look how the goalies are trained today.
raj2007ca 9 months ago
@unnamed00 if fuhr came up through the quebec leagues and learned there fundamentals of proper butterfly angles and positioning bar none he would be the greatest goaltender ever. Patrick roy wasnt half the athlete fuhr was and he was a positioning genius and he would always stop the puck. It would always hit him on the chest he was never out of position and while grants doing summersaults to make saves.
raj2007ca 9 months ago
@raj2007ca watch game 2 if it wasnt for fuhr no way canada even makes it for a game 3. 45 saves game 2 vs a russian juggernault. Moog was a decent goalie but he was never elite. When fuhr was on his game he was the best goaltender world. He was clutch throughout his career. His last playoff series win with the blues was a game 7 1-0 shutout against pheonix coyotes. Thats clutch
raj2007ca 9 months ago
@raj2007ca
That one great save everyone talks about in game 2 in 87 was more of Krutov messing it up if I remember correctly...
unnamed00 9 months ago
@unnamed00 he made two the first one was the pad save and the second one was the backhander that went right in fuhrs glove. But he made 45 saves in that game against a russian juggernault that wasnt that bad man. When the games on the line hes one of the best to ever play the game. Tretiak was one of the best i ever seen also
raj2007ca 9 months ago
Howcome grant fuhr didnt play. In 1985 he was the best goaltender in the world andy moog sucks and always has and always will some of those goals the russians scored were crap
raj2007ca 9 months ago
@raj2007ca
Fuhr was not clearly better at that time. Moog played more games that season.
unnamed00 9 months ago
They were way ahead. Plyometrics, off ice stickhandling, powerskating. All the things we do now they were doing it since the 60'S. The fall of communism ouloud some of the best Soviet instructors to come to north america and introduce their secrets. Crosby attended Turcotte Stickhandling clinics inspired by russian trainings and was trained using russian style powerskating.Same with Stamkos Hall, Seguin etc etc. We will never give them the credit they deserve cause oi course we invented game
leowobiitt 9 months ago 6
@leowobiitt yes, this is true
milleniumfalcon79 1 month ago
Gretzky seen first time at 2-6 score :) ,bad experience to play against soviet monsters
volyn 9 months ago
@volyn
At least Gretzky not irogant :
1st, He is a true hockey player
2nd, Russians not a monsters, they just play hockey
3rd, It will be always rivaly between Canada and Russia
4th If Russia didnt enter their team in 1954 into international competion, will be anyone watch Canada hockey these days?
wg390 9 months ago
@wg390 nice analysis, thanks. But it doesn´t change facts I see in video and which were commented by me. Nothing against WG
volyn 9 months ago
Good editing and good quality for a VCR to YouTube video
darthruv9 10 months ago
Bykov shorthanded - PERFECT
zhgut82 10 months ago
what was semenko doing on the ice against this russian team?
iamnewfie1 11 months ago
I'm so proud to be a CSKA fan! Red Army is the stronguest!
RitalSoviet 11 months ago
6:33 good combination by soviet central army players!!! great hockey!
andersen089 11 months ago
Dominant!
gome0043 1 year ago
question: " who can stop dis read machine???"
canadian answer: " are u fucken shiting me..........!!"
Xatarnak 1 year ago
this arguing is ridicolous, i hear everywhere that the red army team had no competition in their own league, sure they stacked the best players in CSKA, but the soviet union had a population of close to 300 million, there mustve been enough talent for the rest of the teams. as for the excuses that the oilers play 80 game season, they were in the middle of a christmas break. The russians won since they had as much talent but more chemistry and were better disciplined and insane training
luffis1985 1 year ago
oh what goals of KLM what game of cska!!! for me it's a best Team ever made in sport HOCKEY
...and without Tretjak
guard777 1 year ago
kasatonov was the KOBE BRYANT of russian hockey!.
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He'd TELL on your ass in a minute! :) lol
oehieze 1 year ago
soviet hockey in this time more better than canadiens
AHRZAMANBALASY 1 year ago
на майках написано по-русски - это хорошо.
TheDinikin 1 year ago
greatzky vs nhl = 2000.... points! greatzky vs READ ARMY = 0 points! now we know how gr8 he is haahahahahahahahahahah
Xatarnak 1 year ago
Coffey and Huddy were brutal in this game. And what was with the McClelland line matching up vs the KLM line? Brutal coaching in this game by Edmonton.
crossxca 1 year ago
Ho my God ! The stanley cup winner looking as childs . I did not remember this game until this video. Russia had a Wonder Team, They skate more, they tink more. They score more. PERIOD. loll
MrCanadianPride 1 year ago
Thank you so much for uploading this piece of history. That's realy insane. The Oilers owned on the NHL ice by the mighty mighty red army team. Old time CSKA hockey was and still is tha shiznit
DedPixtoPunk 1 year ago
ВОТ ЭТО ХОККЕЙ!!!
xsanc 1 year ago 11
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Coffey was obviously wearing the wrong jersey - those are three nasty Soviet goals he caused.
robvollman 1 year ago
Coffey was obviously wearing the wrong jersey - those are two nasty Soviet goals he caused.
robvollman 1 year ago
central reds were UNSTOPABLE! (Im not talking about the game im talking about the team all together)
picturefilmz 1 year ago
Look at the game attentivly. You will see that canadiens disturbed rules many times but referee did not sight this
JaneIsMine 1 year ago
@JaneIsMine shut up......what about the 72 summit series?
krazytsi 1 year ago
number 25 for the OILERS can't skate for shit! lol
oehieze 1 year ago
We all know the oilers coulda stomped em!!!!!
imrightandwrong 1 year ago
Yes the Oilers lost this game, but they didn't practice for 4 days prior to the game. They sent everybody home for the Christmas break because all they cared about was the Stanley Cup. This was an exhibition game to them; they really didn't care if they lost. Read Kevin Lowe's book CHAMPIONS if you don't believe me. If they had taken this game seriously, I truly believe they would have not only beaten the Soviet team, but smoked them.
MrLCLM 1 year ago
How do you not take this game seriously??
Someone already made these excuses before...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Read the book I referenced you, it's all in there. Considering all the excuses you make for Josef Kompalla, I don't know where you get off accusing anyone else of making excuses.
MrLCLM 1 year ago
What excuses have I made for Kompalla? I just pointed out the obvious.
The statements you brought up are excuses, whether they are in a book or not...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You put in footage of a game that he reffed in 1974 and said this was proof enough for you that he wasn't a bad referee two years later. That's an excuse. Call it whatever you want, but the Oilers didn't consider this a must-win game. It was an exhibition game. If you want to hold a grudge over it, take it up with them.
MrLCLM 1 year ago
Did not take it seriously? I am sure they wanted to get embarrassed...
I could make the same excuse for CSKA. They did not take it seriously or else it would have been 10-0...
And that video with Kompalla was made to show the baseless Canadian complaining and whining.
unnamed00 1 year ago 5
@unnamed00 The Oilers started their backup goalie in this game.
MrLCLM 1 year ago
Moog was not the backup, in the regular season at least.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Grant Fuhr was the team's top goalie. In two of the Islanders' four Stanley Cup seasons, Billy Smith played less games than another goalie. (Chico Resch in 1980, Roland Melanson in 1983) Yet when the games counted, who started? If the Oilers had not been treating this like an exhibition game, do you not think Fuhr would have started?
MrLCLM 1 year ago
You can't say that Fuhr was so much better than Moog at that point. Fuhr was preferred in the playoffs by the coach but you can't say that Moog was that inferior and could not play in important games.
unnamed00 1 year ago 3
@MrLCLM, would've should've could've - the bottom line is that they lost.
MaximChicago 1 year ago
@MaximChicago Too bad nobody ever puts up videos of the Oilers smoking the Soviet teams. They hammered Voskresensk Khimik in 1989 6-2, yet nobody ever seems to put those videos up.
MrLCLM 1 year ago
The soviets had an amazing team, all the time. I'm glad people finally realised they were pro's and let other countries start using theirs :-]
seronic 1 year ago
Start using their pros where? The Olympics you mean?
unnamed00 1 year ago
The point being is that azbaldy5 is correct. Well he might not be correct with the final outcome but one game says very little.
6tbonemmvn77 1 year ago
Ha, this is absolutely hilarious, this is like looking through a time machine in some respects. If you know anything about hockey strategy you can tell the Russians are using a lot of the modern day tactics vs the Oilers 80's style, improvisational fire wagon game plan. It wasn't until the mid-90's that teams started putting a huge emphasis on strategy. The soviets also have better fundamental skills, lots of clutch and grab by the Oilers, they'd be in the box for half the game nowadays.
shivakrishnarama 1 year ago
in a best of seven i'd take the OILERS in SIX GAMES.
azbaldy5 1 year ago
Again, this is one game.2 years ago, Mettalurg Magnitogorsk earned the right to play for the Victoria Cup.That team was all Russian.Now you say the Soviets have better fundamental skills and don't need to clutch and grab.The NY Rangers were picked to play that Russian team on an Olympic style rink,clutching and grabbing resulted in penalties,and in order to win the game, you needed some good fundamental skill.The Rangers won with scorers like Drury, Fritche, + Callahan. 3 average U.S. players
6tbonemmvn77 1 year ago
Well by that time Metallurg was an average team and it was not all Russian...
unnamed00 1 year ago
Edmonton sucks.
YuriZhirkov18 2 years ago
Oilers got their asses handed to 'em...
hankmander 2 years ago
Alright let me take it a step further. The single exhibition games have no bearing on who has the better team. Give me one Russian team and stick them in the NHL. They would never be able to handle an 82 game season including the playoffs. You're always going to have a few scattered Super Star Russians in the league. I'd like to see Malkin win a Conn Smythe surrounded by a cast of players predominantly Russian. In these round robin tournaments,I'll admit, Russia is great.
6tbonemmvn77 2 years ago
There is not a lot of Russian players in the league for that to be likely. Most of the players were/are Canadian, so of course Cup teams have been and will mostly be dominated by Canadians.
A Soviet team of that time might not have had it easy in an 82 game NHL season but the same is true if any NHL team would have played in the Soviet league.
unnamed00 2 years ago
I'm not trying to downgrade the skill and determination of Russian players. Yes, this was a terrific Oilers team.And as far as international play goes,Gretzky was the only Canadian voted to the iihf all world team.Russia had 5 (Kharlamov,Makarov,Fetisov,Larionov and Tretiak).The people who voted on the panel represented countries from around the world.But as far as the NHL is goes..(which is still the top league in the world), I want to see a Russian player Captain a a team to a Cup.
6tbonemmvn77 2 years ago
Winning the Conn Smythe is not enough for you?
And Larionov was not in the IIHF top 6.
unnamed00 2 years ago
thats unfair...i dont think there have even been more then 1 or 2 russians to ever captain a team...NHL refs are english speaking it wouldnt make sense to make somebody who cant speak the language the main guy who has to talk to refs about stuff...But Lidstrom was captain and won a cup... not a russian but a swede
barrylamming 1 year ago
oilers didnt stand a chance
xismxist 2 years ago
Yea but Desantnik- this is not the NHL versus the Soviet Red Army team. These were the best Soviet Players on one team taking on (like you said) individual NHL teams. I can't say I'm that impressed here. Throw Lemieux, Bossy, and Savard in this game with a couple of monsters in front of the net like Kerr and Tocchet and the results may have been different.
6tbonemmvn77 2 years ago
As if the Oilers did not have enough elite players...
CSKA had many of the top Soviet players, but the whole team was not made of just elite players.
unnamed00 2 years ago
that 3rd goal by CSKA was poetry. KLM line.
DeepHauz 2 years ago
On top of all said.. I am not sure where you get your stats. THey look a bit short. If you check all stats of CSKA vs NHL teams, the result is actually devastating for NHL teams. They lost nearly every game... if you say that it was top Russian club beating average NHL teams, then look up more games where Dynamo Moscow, Khimik Voskresens, Krylja Sovetov, SKA Leningrad( that is right you probably never even heard of those) beat the hell out of their NHL counterparts.
desantnik1981 2 years ago
RED MACHINE CSKA BEST
RaoulDukeNevada 2 years ago 33
80's Oilers were offensive juggernaut but
70's Habs were better all around
because of Ken Dryden. 70's Habs over
80's Oilers in 6 games.
eaglesyz 2 years ago 2
I don't think so. Red Army is the best team to ever play. They were just better, and they played a different style of hockey than the NHL teams did. I don't think it would have made a difference which Oilers team they played. Nothing against Edmonton, they were a good team too, but Red Army was better.
williamfleishman 2 years ago 3
ULTRAPOWER1977Habs 2 years ago
Top teams? Well I think you missed a few silly. Here are some I can quickly think of:
75-76 Bruins 5-2 win
82-83 Canadiens 5-0 win (Soviet allstars)
82-83 Flyers 5-1 win (Soviet allstars)
85-86 Canadiens 6-1 win
unnamed00 2 years ago
yea like unamed00 said you missed a few and players that come from red army are great. These players include Vladislav Tretiak, 3 gold medels, Valeri Kharlamov and now for players who played in the NHL Zubov played 5 seasons with the CSKA and look what he became a rock solid defeceman who could knock you yo ass out. Dont forget about zherdev he could snipe the puck as well as anyone on the columbus blue jackets when he was with that team. So CSKA has a great history and have developed great
okpapereat 2 years ago
hockey players
okpapereat 2 years ago
@ULTRAPOWER1977Habs it is stupid.tska have 27 wins and only 7 loses against NHL TEAMS,What are your talking about?Read some history
aleksandrpondios 6 months ago
if this game was in 84 wen the oilers were at their best...they wudve ripped the soviets
scottwill19 2 years ago
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If it was the 84, the Oilers would have destroyed the Red Army. The Red Army wouldnt even qualify as a team in the NHL. Why? Well look they have 4 great lines. No NHL team has or had that. Thats not fair. Thats why you have the universal amateur and later entry draft. Fair competition, fair rules. The only reason why Russia loaded up the Red Army team with superstars was so they could prepare properly for the Olympics, Worlds, etc. I seen many of their "best games", nothing spectacular.
ULTRAPOWER1977Habs 2 years ago
*Yawn* Myths, clichés... do you actually have anything else to offer?
CSKA NEVER had 4 great lines. Never ever. If you know anything about Soviet hockey and look at the boxscores, you'll notice that CSKA's top and 2nd line were always nearly totally responsible for the scoring when they toured the NHL; especially in the 1975-76 Super series, but later on too.
These games were played in NHL-sized rinks, in front of their (NHL teams) home-crowds, mid-season; what are you whining about?
Scarpia74 2 years ago
Numerous great Soviet players in the '70s/'80s played for some other team than CSKA (i.e. Red Army); Starshinov, Vasiliev, Maltsev, Yakushev, Shadrin, Shalimov, Shepelev, Lyapkin, Skvortsov, Vladimir Golikov... and guys like Kapustin and Balderis had only brief stints with the team.
1979-83 THE SOVIET NATIONAL TEAM indeed had 4 great lines (on paper at least)- but not the Red Army, not in 1985-86 nor before & later. Live & learn.
Scarpia74 2 years ago
THANK YOU so much for posting this!!! this is what the internet was made for... Central Red Army were LOADED... Makarov is already a stud by then, Bykov, Khumotov, all top-end forwards... entire backline could move the puck seamlessly end to end..
Oil couldn't run with them on this particular night...
DiamondJoeQuimby 2 years ago
Shit - the Oilers really get fucked up in this game... The russians are tremendous much faster?
BillyBoysing 2 years ago
Canada without refs= victims....
Imschnee 2 years ago 2
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So much for the 'The Great One"! Canadian hockey is sooo pathetic - when was the last time that tin cup - for all it's worth - wind up in a Canuk City!
nordique59 2 years ago
CSKA was so 'good' because they had most of the good players in the Soviet Union. They stacked the team by 'drafting' most of the good players into the 'Army' and then put them on the team that trained together 11 out of the 12 months in a year. They won 17 out of the 20 Soviet league titles from 1970 to 1989. Team Canada vs. Team Russia was a much fairer contest as that evened out the talent levels.
bjdon99 2 years ago 2
@bjdon99 Edmonton also had all best players in this time from NHL and won 4 or 5 times Stanley cup. And something else - in the 80 canadians clubs had best players from Sweden and Finnland too, Russians had play only with owner (=soviet) players. Anyway others russians clubs also always won the series vs NHL clubs.
NorthernUnion 1 year ago
Aaah...what great memories!!! My two all-time favourite clubs playing against each other - when they both truly dominated hockey...
SFRJ76 3 years ago
I see just one team dominating in this movie :D
jaromT 2 years ago
Hehe, so true so true...
SFRJ76 2 years ago
I think that the 1987 oilers team would have done better against the red army in that type of puck handling and speed game with Kent Nilsson , Reijo ruotsalainen , Pouzar ect...they were much faster than in 85 !
Its also bizarre to see the red army dominating the oilers like that without Tretiak, mikhailov , Kapustin , Kharlamov ect...because with a better red army team in the 70's they were not capable to beat Montreal in their prime , their best was a tie game in 75 (MTL outshots R-A: 38-16)
vesivialvy 3 years ago
The 70's team was not necessarily better, but maybe they would have beaten Montreal if they played in Moscow.
unnamed00 3 years ago
it seems like 70's team was more about individual stars, like Kharlamov and Mikhailov. 80's team was more focused on offensive team play. I'd say 80's team was better.
lkongo77 3 years ago
The 5-2 goal 16 6:35 was a beauty!
CHF2 3 years ago 3
Was there any reason at to why the game wasn't televised in Edmonton ? I find that so hard to believe the way the Oilers played and that they probably played before sellouts every night . It'A Wonderful Life must have tv that night .
willc1975 3 years ago
Well, the Army Club outplayed the Oilers despite playing on the NHL-size hockey rink.
It is clear that the Russians were simply better, had better chemistry. They had perfectly balanced team.
Obviously, the Oilers had no chance to win against them.
abcgeezer 3 years ago 3
let's not forget, this was only one game. of course the Oilers could have beaten them, but not on this night! let's not forget that CSKA Moscow was enormously talented, more than likely an upper level NHL calibre team, had they played as an actual NHL team. they should be givin credit.
bloggo1 3 years ago
More than likely an absolute NHL top-team.
The statistics show that the Soviet-teams won more than 70 % of their matches vs NHL-teams during time.
InnocentWar1 2 years ago 17
we'll never know that, will we? let's see how they perform with an 80 or so game season before we declare them an absolute top NHL team! let's not forget, they only play about 40 or so game season in Europe.
bloggo1 2 years ago
Today and yesterday is totally different. I talk about this time and I know that CSKA Moscow was not some kind of joke. It was 13/20 of the CCCP-team and they won quite som games during time as I remeber. Hockey of today is something else and i'm not interested anymore.
InnocentWar1 2 years ago
it's true that a number of Russians who initially came over to the NHL had success, but then guys like Krutov did not. i'm suggesting that as a team, if they had played together for 80 or so games, season after season, it would have been interesting to see how well they really would have done! i am in no way comparing this team's players with players of today.
bloggo1 2 years ago
Makarov, Larionov, Fetisov, Konstantinov, Dimitri Mironov, and Kamensky did all have success in the NHL, but none really set the world on fire.
bloggo1 2 years ago
But I don't see why that should be an essential difference. I think that players as Michalov, Kharlamov, Maltsev, Makarov, Petrov, Firsov, Yakusev etc..never would go short on quantity nor quality. Anyway, hockey of today is not the same as hockey of yesterday. Hockey has developed the canadian way the last 15 years.
InnocentWar1 2 years ago
@InnocentWar1 "The statistics show that the Soviet-teams won more than 70% of their matches vs NHL teams" - What a stupid statement that only a stupid Russian fan would say. Of course they won most of these games...and should have won most. You can't even compare a team like the Red Army to an NHL club...the Red Army was basically the best of Russia. The only time Russia/CCCP beat the best of Canada was in the 1981 Cup...period. Team Canada would have won 70% of the games against NHL too.
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish
1976 super series
1981 canada cap
2006 olympics
alexandergarbuz 10 months ago
@alexandergarbuz - You really are hockey uneducated. Canada won the 1976 Canada Cup...CCCP wasn't even in the finals. The 1981 Canada Cup was the only best on best tourney Russia/USSR won since 1972. In 2006 Sweden won the Olympics...Russia didn't even get a medal. Since 1972 there have been 11 tournies where each country could send their best players...Canada won 7, Sweden 1, Czech 1, USA 1 & CCCP/Russia 1. That pretty much tells you who is the best country at hockey.
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish It was not only CSKA. It was also including the other Soviet teams Spartak and Dynamo so just drop it.
dunbunter 10 months ago
@dunbunter - My point is....you can't compare an NHL club with a club tream from the Soviet union.... Do I really have to explain why? I'm sick and tired of watching all these Russian videos showing Russian teams beating NHL teams and then claiming they were superior... The fact is....when Canada's best played against Russia's best wearing the Canadian jersey we kicked Russia's ass....period.
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish Your point is your subjective opinion. It proved not the least of your "we". Did you play? Since it is so Spartak and Dynamo had not the resources that CSKA had. Despite this, they kicked the NHL teams asses, most of the times, when they met. If we then will talk about the meetings in Canada Cup when Canada won their matches, they did it mostly because the referee was on the canadian side. Canada Cup 1987 is an insult to hockey.
dunbunter 10 months ago
@dunbunter - I laugh at the Russian fans on here that blame the referees for their loss in the 1987 Canada Cup... Rather than admit they were beaten by a better team. Did you even watch the 1987 Canada Cup?...or did you just watch stupid Russian comments on youtube? I personally watched every minute of those games live....I watched the 1981, 84, 87 Canada Cups...plus the World Cups in the 90's....If you watch the 1987 Canada Cup you can clearly see that Canada was the better team.....Continued
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@dunbunter - Cont - Canada took the game to the Soviets and outplayed them most of the time... The Soviets had a good team and they made a series out of it... but Canada was clearly better. I say this objectively because I also watched the 1981 Canada Cup and the Soviet Union were clearly the better team in that series. Blaming the Refs is complete bull. If you want to talk about biased refereeing.... then what about the Russian Refs during the 72 Summitt Series? Canada literally...Cont..
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@dunbunter - Cont - Canada literally spent almost half the game in the penalty box and we still won the remaining 3 games in Moscow. You are correct that it is a major advantage to host the game. Unfortunately with Professional players it is difficult to arrange a best on best tourny... the yearly World Championships of hockey does not work in this regard....especially with the IIHF holding the tourney during the NHL playoffs....The Canada Cup & World Cups were held in both Canada ...Cont
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@dunbunter -Cont - both Canada & the US. The only "true" best on best tourney there is on a yearly basis is the World U20 Junior Championships...In the last 25 years....Canada has won the gold 13 times!...Russia only 5....and this tourney is held every year in a different location around the world.... Are you going to blame biased Referees for this too? You can rent the 1987 Canada Cup in the video store....I recommend you watch it before making stupid comments...Canada was better..period.
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish You describe your own reality. If Canada did not send its best players, it is their own damn problem. For your information, I'll mention that the Soviet sent a reserve team to Canada Cup 1976. At the Summit Series in 1972 Bobby Clarke deliberately injured Kharlamov. How typically Canadian. Canada has brought hockey from a sport of finesse to a brutal smackdown. I would not like to see an NHL game even if I got paid.
dunbunter 10 months ago
@dunbunter-I know that in 1976 the Soviets sent a B team to play...I don't brag about this event..it's interesting though how there is so many Russian fans that brag about winning the World Chp's in 2008/09 where Russia's B team beat Canada's B team. In 1972 the refs in Russia were so corrupt that they sent Canadians to the penalty box for over half the game!!... Canada got frustrated and decided to even things up a bit by hurting Kharlamov..I don't agree with this at all.. cont
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish man to be fair 1987 Canada Cup and 1984 Canada was very close.Overtime in 1984,overtime in 1987 second game.I just seen the Canada Cup 1987 game.What a great game!And sorry for that,but The canada was not clealy beter,it was an equal and in your home.
aleksandrpondios 6 months ago
@dunbunter- Cont - but the series turned into a war. Both sides were willing to win at all costs...one time Canada scored a goal and the goal judge did not want to turn on the light. You are right about describing everyting from my own reality. I played alot of hockey when I was a kid...and from all of that there was only two players that I played with that made it to the NHL...Jim Mackenzie & Brendon Morrow... Brendon was on the 2010 olympic gold team. I can tell you that I played....Cont
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@dunbunter - Cont - played with guys that had much more skills than these two guys. I remember one kid that scored over 100 goals in a year....but as we grew up and the game got more physical his skills were minimized...he never made it anywhere...Is this fair? Hockey can be played in different ways...you can play it like the Philadelphia Flyers of 76 who played hockey like a bunch of goons....or you can play it like an NHL all star game with no hitting at all. Personally, I like the ...Cont
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@dunbunter - Cont - Personally I like the game somewhere in between.. I find watching an NHL all star game boring...Watching Russia play against Sweden was pretty much the same thing. I like to watch a hard hitting, tough physical style of game... but the 76 Flyers went too far. I agree with you that watching NHL hockey is boring...when the NHL brought Euro's in the league the skill level went up, but so did the amount of high sticking, diving and cheap shots. I like to watch a clean ...cont
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@dunbunter Cont - I like to watch a guy hand out a clean hard hit... I do not like to see a guy high stick a guy in the face....or elbow a guy in the face. There needs to be honor in the game... there was no honor when Clarke injured Kharlomov....likewise there is no honor is diving and embellishing to draw penalties....otherwise hockey will turn into a european soccer match. There is no honor in the NHL anymore... it's full of a bunch of millionaire pre-madonna's and it gets worse every year.
squirrellylikesfish 10 months ago
@squirrellylikesfish man TSCA won and lost only 7 games against best NHL teams.Learn to admire,TSCA was a great team,may be the greatesy team ever.There are no reasons to speak like this,to call someone stupton fan bacid russian,We are all hockey fans here and i was a huge Edmonton fan back there
aleksandrpondios 6 months ago
@aleksandrpondios won 27 games and lost 7 sorry
aleksandrpondios 6 months ago
Thanks for posting this. i lived in Edmonton in 1985 and this game wasn't televised. i had to listen to it on the radio, which sucked of course. 22 years later I get to see the actual video of it. Great!! Sherven and Summanen were only with the Oilers for a short while. Nice to see them again.
GSTcheque 3 years ago
Why was not the game televised in Edmonton?
unnamed00 3 years ago
unnamed00: I know what your problem is. You live in a stupid little town that doesn't have a liquor store, a drugstore or a Wal-Mart. Tell you what, go and live in the big city and get drunk and then tell me if you were able to beat up a 5 yr old kid. Why am I saying this? Because thats how the Oilers felt in this game against the CSKA. The Oilers didn't win 56 games that year by turning the puck away this many times in ONE game. If they had, they would have had maybe 40 or 45 wins. Fuck you too
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Go cry more faggot.
Whether the Oilers played like crap or were made to be crap by CSKA, does not matter; it is still their fault both ways.
And my city makes your city look like a shitty little town, so you are wrong there.
I guess you know too well how getting drunk and being feeble feels like. That is the problem with you. You were probably really drunk when you typed this.
unnamed00 3 years ago
unnamed00: I see you got lots and lots of poor videos showing the best team ever (Oilers) at their poorest. What is it with you bitch, are you jealous of the best team of all time? you must be, because you wouldn't be doing it if you weren't. I got last thing for you: try to think about this for a minute. In the biggest international games, on an overall basis (Canada Cup, World Cup and Summit Series), which players (Canadian or Soviet) were the best? You know who.
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Well both sides had great players, but the Soviets generally were better team wise.
You are just filled with hate because this video goes against your fantasy of the Oilers being the best team ever.
unnamed00 3 years ago
unnamed00: show me a game where the CSKA played a full Oilers lineup (healthy or otherwise) against a full CSKA team on any other day except Christmas because we (maybe not you athiest bitch) all know CHRISTMAS is the biggest day of the year. Now you know whos going to win you lame dip shit. You know all too well. I got something else for you: you talk about Messier? He was worth 5 Russian players you dumbfuck. Take him away, thats a whole starting lineup. You clearly know squat.
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Yes Messier would use the power of his elbow and cross check throughout the game, leading the Oilers to a lopsided victory...
Nice excuses dumbshit. Messier was not playing... it was Christmas... not fair.
Go cry to your mama.
unnamed00 3 years ago
unnamed00: you clearly do not understand the english language, do you bitch? I said that the Oilers were most likely a christian team and that the russians were most likely a athiest team. what do you not understand bitch? this is completely relevant because the Oilers were in CELEBRATORY mood (Christmas time you bitch ass faggot) and the Russians were NOT in celebratory mood (since they are athiests). this is just fact. i could spit this in your face and you still wouldn't get it.
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Well you know shit brains Christmas is not about being religious or anything in North America, but giving and getting useless presents and, according to you, getting drunk.
And it would not matter if the Soviets players were atheist or not since Russian Christmas is in January. You are just a simple minded idiot so I would not expect you to know that.
unnamed00 3 years ago
I got one last comment for you unnamed00: you think the Oilers are cheap, bad or average on a given holiday? I got news for you. When the Russians celebrate and drink, they are weaker and more drunk than your average 5 yr old kid. Yeah thats right. So quit picking the poor Oiler / Team Canada games because you are trash and know squat about hockey. The Oilers played great 85-90% of the time. The Russians? They were in better shape, yes, but that doesnt mean they were better.
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Did I hurt your national pride? You don't like to see your teams lose so you cry and whine.
Obviously the Oilers were playing drunk in this game, as was team Canada in the 81 final. Yes keep telling yourself that, dumbass...
unnamed00 3 years ago
Plus you fucking idiots don't know it was Christmas 1985? And everybody celebrates the holiday except the athiest Russians and all you Russian wanna-bes (yeah unnamed00 included). Yeah thats right, the Oiler players were in celebration mode and were in no shape to play the game against the CSKA. And excuse Coffey, he certainly didn't give the puck away like that very often in 85-86. I dont care what you fucks think, you don't know squat about hockey. Period. You dont look farther than ur noses.
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Idiot, so I guess the Oilers were drunk for this game...
You are pathetic you retard.
Coffey did not give the puck away that much?
Well maybe he did not often play against players with such speed and skill. He was this bad against them in the 87 Canada Cup.
unnamed00 3 years ago
nsoshnikov: you remove a Krutov or Makarov from your lineup, and make sure Larionov is played sick, and the Oilers win 6-3 easily. The CSKA team faced a sub Oilers team in retrospect. And besides you can't say which team was better by just one game. But if I had to bet who would be the better team in a 8 game series between both teams, I say the Oilers. Why? They were the most awesome offensive team and would have crushed the CSKA team that night had they been 100% effective and healthy.
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
I am not going to make conclusions based on one game, but stop making dumb excuses because your "awesome" team lost badly.
Also Larionov did not even play in this game, though he was replaced by another good player.
unnamed00 3 years ago
@OilersCanadasTeam they did not. thats the point. so stop whining about it
DedPixtoPunk 1 year ago
nsoshnikov: Oilers no match for CSKA? I hardly doubt that. Youre ideas are certainly incorrect. Did you know that Messier did not play in this game? Did you know that Anderson hadn't played in a while (since he was on a suspension from the NHL, but was allowed to play). But Anderson did play but was very ineffective. Coffey, Gretzky and Kurri? You can't win with just three players. I don't care who they are, it doesnt matter. The Oilers were the better team on paper and on the ice(when healthy).
OilersCanadasTeam 3 years ago
Just because one player is missing does not mean the team is not healthy...
Stop the silly excuses.
unnamed00 3 years ago
Why was moog in net and not grant fuhr? Moog was decent but I dont think anyone mistakes him for grant fuhr!
raj2007ca 3 years ago
Moog was not worse back then. He played more games than Fuhr during that season.
unnamed00 3 years ago
Moog was never in the big games for edmonton everytime he was he lost. Thats why im saying is wheres fuhr. Look at fuhrs record never lost in the finals 4-0 and 2 canada cups. Grant Fuhr is clutch!
raj2007ca 3 years ago
How did he lose every time? Who was in goal when the Oilers won their first Cup?
Just because Sather liked Fuhr more does not mean that Moog was much worse.
unnamed00 3 years ago
lol who was in net for the first cup? Fuhr played the whole playoffs and what got injured last 1 or 2 games against the islanders?
He single handedly changed the complexion of that series when oilers face ny in ny and he outdueled billy smith whos coming off of 4 straight stanly cup appearances 1-0 in the first game of the series. That changed the complexion of the whole series!
raj2007ca 3 years ago
Like Fuhr was the only reason that the Oilers won. They could have probably won the first games with Moog too.
unnamed00 3 years ago
CSKA certainly made the Oilers look silly that game. I don't know what the heck Coffey was doing on some of those plays.
I haven't heard John Wells and Howie Meeker call a game in ages. Good to hear again.
Doogie2K3 3 years ago
2 of the best team of the 80's, but CSKA is the better one of them. You have to give credit to the oilers, but they were no match to CSKA.