Yeah until the Fucking LDS sticked their nose where it didn't belong... Raising over 40 million dollars to spread hate, way to go LDS... Do us all a favor and stick your book of Normon up your ASS....
WHEREAS CSC is in contempt in re illegal denial for rehearing of CSC habeas petition S142192 and in re State hindrance of C07 01399 SBA USDC habeas motion, currently delinquent but unopposed in Oakland before Judge Armstrong, BILLS OF ATTAINDER are rampant, including the named ex post facto Prop.8. Violence has broken out, relative to the related undermining of Superior Court, and so, CPC 403 et seq. must be relieved, with habeas corpus in California, lest fatal estoppel. 360.yahoo/bobgnote
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What a drama queen. Sorry, but a UNION has no right to equality. PEOPLE have rights. UNIONS are THINGS and have no rights. To say gay unions are equal to straight is an opinion, like saying a tuna banana sandwich is equal to a BLT. The people have every right to vote that it will not be considered the same.
I'm from the Middle East, and there I have SEEN "traditionnal marriage": Women oppressed, uneducated, used, abused, sold, bought and SILENCED. Just like it used to be here in the US traditionnally...
And yet we've FORGOTTEN about that!
Our message must be this: Marriage has ALREADY changed, and we ALL benefit from that!
The anti-love bigots will lose in the end. There is not a single convincing argument for continuing to deny civil rights to people based on who they find attractive. We should expect that religiously brainwashed hatred shall become increasingly less tolerable in an increasingly overpopulated world.
YOU make no sense whatsoever. The same argument you made against me could easily pertain to Namordecai's comments as well. Just because YOU believe homosexuality is wrong, it doesn't mean the whole world does, and it also doesn't make YOU right.
I have yet to see a GOOD argument against Homosexuality or Gay Marriage, why? because there isn't one.
ROFL... So putting a label on gender is wrong? We're not allowed, according to you, to call women "women," and men, "men." Idiot. No wonder you think there's no good argument. You have no grasp of logic or reality, so you wouldn't recognize a good argument if it bit you in the perinneum.
im sorry do u have a GOOD Argument? because I have yet to hear it. & only "Idiots" resort in insult just because they dont have a GOOD Argument
DISCRIMINATION: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit. Calling something by it's term such as MAN or WOMAN is NOT Discrimination. MAN is a Class, WOMAN is a Class, GAY is a Class. TREATING them a certain way based on their class IS Discrimination. Prop 8 puts Gays at a Lower class, so it's Discrimination
ROFL. I'm not basing it on their class, you f'ing moron. I'm labelling their UNIONS, which have no right to equality. A union is not a person, genius. So there goes your great argument. Why would I waste MY good arguments on you? You can't even tell the difference between a person and a thing. Your union thingies suck, compared to straight unions.
YOU ARE basing your argument against gay marriage on Class. GAY is a Class. You said yourself: "You're not FORCED to be gay", "It's not the Govt. fault youre gay", You said just because someone is classfied as gay, it doesnt mean they should get equal rights.
I clarify & define things u say, then you just revert back and pretend im going off topic. YOU make no sense.
YOU are not using your 'good' arguments because you obviously don't have any. The f*ing moron here is YOU!
Yes, I said you're not forced to be gay. What the hell does that have to do with the fact that I insist on calling gay unions by a different name than marriage? If you got married heterosexually, you'd have all the same rights. I wouldn't ask that the government penalize you for being GAY. It's a little like tuna and banana. Individually, they're fine. Put them together, and they taste like Satan incarnate. Similarly, individually, gay people are equal. Together, they are a big fat B.M.
You call MY arguments ridicules & silly, yet there you go comparing Gay Marriage to Tuna & Bananas. You may not personally like the taste of tuna & Bananas Together, but other people might. Just because some people don't like the "taste" or the idea of something, that doesn't constitute it not having the same equal protections & rights under the law.
& Not Liking Gay Marriage, is what this ALL boils down to. There is NO real argument against gay marriage, other then
So you think tuna a banana sandwich has a right to the same government treatment as banana or tuna individually. That makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Do you even know what a RIGHT is???
No, because Tuna & bananas are Food, not physical human beings and American citizens who pay taxes. What's RIGHT is giving all your citizens the same rights and opportunities, ESPECIALLY if they are all paying their taxes. Even illegal Immigrants who don't pay taxes can marry who they want.
As a tax payer, I don't want my children FORCED to eat tuna banana for lunch, just because YOU think it's delicious. Also, in some cultures, humans ARE food. So why can't I compare gay unions to tuna banana? Gay unions in fact, aren't people nor food nor anything remotely resembling delicious. It's not a right to be DECLARED delicious, either. Bottom line, go eat your tuna banana on your own and let my children eat their BBQ human forearm.
And as a taxpayer, I don't want MY children being told would they can & can't do with their lives by ignorant people like you. If you wanna eat BBQ limbs, then you go ahead & do that. What you like to eat is your business & has no effect on anyone else. What I eat is my business too, & has no effect on you whatsoever, so mind your own diet, and stop telling others what they should eat.
Hey, genius, I'm not telling anyone kids anything about gay couples. Prop. 8 says that the GOVERNMENT will not recognize gay unions as marriages. Prop. 8 involves ZERO coersion on the government's part. All it does is determine what the government will receive all the benefits instituted by the legislature for straight couples. Your domestic partnerships give ALL relevant benefits to gay couples that are required for familial recognition, according to the CA Supreme Court.
NOPE. Companies are NOT required to give the same benefits to same sex couples in 'Domestic Partnerships', which they give to Married Couples. It's not 100% equal, think again.
What part of prop. 8 involves coersion? None of it. It says that California will only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman. Which part of that forces anything on YOU or KIDS? It takes away your POWER, but you have no right to power. You think power is freedom, and you demand it. But this is a Democracy, where the majority rules, unless a human rights violation is involved. Where is the human rights violation? According to current laws, there is none. You have no case.
Exactly, Same sex marriage forces NOTHING to YOU or your Kids, which is why 'Yes on 8" idiots needs to stop using children in their adds pretending like Same sex marriage will effect there children.
HUMAN RIGHTS: basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, which includes EQUALITY before the law. Denying a minority the right to marry who they choose, yet giving that right to the majority, IS not equal. Therefore, it IS a human rights violation. Just proved you wrong again.
THe government adopting "same sex marriage," even if it didn't spill into public schools like in Massachusetts, still represents a usurpation of power away from Democracy. Minority values imposed on a Democratic government is unacceptable in principle and moreso that it will spill into public schools, so don't tell me it doesn't effect me.
"California will only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman. Which part of that forces anything on YOU or KIDS?"
You just said yourself that California's Definition of "marriage" has no effect of YOU or YOUR KIDS. Seriously, when Gay Marriage was legal for the 3 months which is was, how on earth did it effect you at all? Did they teach it is schools? Did Churches get sued? Were Hetero Marriages split up? NO! It had no effect on anyone else whatsoever, PROVE that it effected you.
I didn' say California's definitionof marriage has no effect. How delusional are you? What I said was, "[prop 8] says that California will only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman. Which part of that forces anything on YOU or KIDS?" Learn to read, idiot. In fact, when "gay marriage" was recognized, it WAS taught in San Francisco. Don't you follow the news? It IS taught in Massachusetts schools and CAlifornia law says it MUST be taught, if it is a marriage. So, you're an idiot.
Also, do you REALLY think there are people that would like tuna banana? Also, do you think that if a minority of people like it, should the government officially declare it to be delicious? Because I'm pretty sure most people think it's crap. Similarly, why should the government declare gay unions to be as good as straight unions, when the majority don't believe for a second that they're as good.
weather or not they're as good has nothing to do with it. the government wouldn't be saying gay marriage is as or better than straight marriage only that its an option for people who want it.
your reasoning was use to try to stop black and white people from marrying each other but we all agree its none of our business who anyone else marries.
also the majority agree that the value of gay marriage/ union isn't in question, nor its practicality.
Dropped on your head as a baby one too many times, fudge plunger? None of that has any truthiness to it. FACT: when you see a rainbow, that means God is frowning at gays.
Seriously, though, you're an idiot. If you call two different things by the same name, you imply it's the same or the differences are irrelevant. So "gay marriage" is an adoption of gay values. And, the MAJORITY agree that the value of "gay marriage" isn't in question nor its practicality? What is wrong with you?
They you go again, just because someone is RIGHT and proved you wrong, you go back to reverting to personal insult, which make YOU look stupid. Liked I said, companies do NOT have to give benefits to "civil Partnerships" if they do to Married couples.
You you truly believe that changing the definition of marriage changes nothing, then why are so so against it? How does it effect you? what does it have anything to do with you?
Someone PROVED me wrong, eh? They proved what? That a tuna banana sandwich is equal to a BLT or that a gay union is equal to marriage? You can't prove either one. They're opinions. However, you can go by the majority opinion, which is as objective as you can get. The majority opinion is that gay unions are NOT equal, so I win. You're wrong. You are entitled to everyone being equal under the law. BUT you are not entitled to all behavior being equal. And yours isn't.
If a same sex marriage is entitled to the same tax & health benefits as hetero Marriage, then in the eyes of the law it is EQUAL. BTW, Those 18,000 same sex marriages which happened before prop 8 passed are still recognized by the state, & do receive the same benefits as Hetero Marriage. You may not see them as being "equal" to hetero marriage, but the law does. PROVE YOU WRONG. You lose.
"If a same sex marriage is entitled to the same tax & health benefits as hetero Marriage, then in the eyes of the law it is EQUAL"
The key word here is "it." IT is equal in the eyes of the law. The thing is ITs don't have rights. They're things. So I say it is unequal as do most Americans.
I've never heard the term "dead space" describe a lifetime experience so well. Thank you for defining almost every moment of my experience so well. You encourage my very existence.
As a God fearing Republican, I would have voted yes, but that was an amazing video and a great performance. Life's about trade offs and we can't have everything, so don't get too discouraged. Keep the films coming! -Justin
Had the courts not involved themselves and overruled the "Will of the People in the '60s, civil rights would not have been won for blacks and other minorities. (Do you really think that the "Will of the People" back then would have allowed them that?) Same, same now with gay rights.
@ namordecai: What a silly response. Marriage has been re-defined many times over the years.
I'll make it easy for you and give you just one instance... Marriage laws once prohibited minorites from marrying whites... and that was re-defined by the courts.
It's like a chain of dominoes now... most of the north-eastern states now have gay marriage, and so does Iowa. Iowa!
That's not the issue, genius. The question is, do YOU have the right to change the definition of *marriage* for everyone? The answer is no. Iowa will vote down "gay marriage," by the way. It won't be a contest. You say we can't stop it. However, with all the illegal immigrants who vote against it, learning English and becoming citizens, YOU can't stop US. Furthermore, since the idea that a gay union=straight union is pure dogma, we only need to keep explaining that, and we'll destroy you.
I forgot to mention, the court did NOT redefine marriage with regard to interracial marriages. They simply lifted a ban on interracial marriage. Duh. You shouldn't lie so blatantly. Even an idiot could have seen through that one.
namordecai.... oh boy. wait a second while I stop laughing!
Don't be an idiot: Lifting a ban of interracial marriage DOES redefine what marriage is, smart guy!
At times, marriage meant that women were the property of their husbands. Gosh, sounds like another redefinition happened there!
Admit it... you have no real argument. The real reason is that you just don't like the idea of two men being able to say, "I do". You make up false arguments to support your homophobia.
Oh yeah, mormon namordecai... regarding the Iowa decision:
You should do your research better. In order to get it on the Iowa ballot, it has to be approved in 2 different years by the legislature. Those dear leaders have indicated that it aint gonna happen.
It's even more significant that while the previous other 3 state courts that upheld gay marriage were 4 to 3 decisions. However, the Iowa Supreme Court justices ruled 7 to 0 in favor of gay marriage.
So you're saying that you gay dogma is forced upon the people of Iowa and that you're not allowed to discriminate against behavior. So that would mean that all behavior and societal roles must be treated equally, right? So the postman will be paid the same and get the same benefits as a COP. And a murderer can't get sent to prison. That's discrimination against murderers! You lefties are such geniuses, throwing all reason and logic out the window for gay dogma.
Oh namordecai, you're putting words in my mouth! That's not allowed!
I never said that all behavior and societal roles should be treated equally. YOU did.
I also never said that you can't discriminate against behavior. It is, however, typical mormon dogma, to call being gay a "behavior". In fact, your faith ignores accepted mainstream science for the sake of it's dogma!
I should know... I was fortunate to escape from the mormon cult--er, religion, before too much damage was done.
Lifting a ban on interracial marriage doesn't redefine marriage, idiot. The word marriage was universally accepted to apply to interracial couples. To compare the two suggests that Black people had a biological urge to segregate themselves. What a RACIST you are.
Silly boy, I'm not racist at all. Again, you're making an illogical conclusion.
To uphold equality, the word marriage should be universally accepted to apply to gay couples as well.
"To compare the two suggests that black people had a biological urge to segregate." You're kidding me, right? It doesn't suggest that at all.
But if what you mean is that gay people have a biological urge, then how can you then say in another post that its a behavior? Make up your mind- behavior, or biology?
And the Question is, do YOU have the right to tell people what they would do with their lives and what they should beleive? NO! Welcome to 2009 times r changin. Same Sex marriage will eventually be legal in ALL 50 states, It might take 20 years for that to become reality, but mark my words, it will happen. People who fought to keep slavery legal lost, and so did people to fought to keep segregation, ban interracial marriage, and bar womens rights. Just look at History, Gays will get their rights
You bigots DISGUST me. Black people NEVER had a biological urge to pick cotton, to sit at the backs of buses or to go to inferior schools, you sh** head. To say to me that you're like Black people is like vomiting on my brain. You're sick, dude. You idiots are FREE to choose marriage, but you instead choose the same-sex due to being gay. You're not FORCED to be gay, sh** for brains. Neither the government nor the police are forcing you to choose the same sex.
I'm a bigot? I'm not the homophobe. The Government doesn't force people to be black either what's your point? And I have shit for brains? You cant even come up with a good argument, you you resort to name calling and insults. You lost your argument, face it.
and you're right, the goverment doesn't efforce racism anymore, however they still do efforce discrimination based on gender & Sexual Orientation.
Blacks were hung and beat in the 1880's, gay are hung and beat right now, in countries like Iran. Blacks couldn't marry whites in any state the 1960's and gay can't get married now in most states. Blacks were 2nd class citizens in the 60's, like gays. Blacks face much discrimination and hatred in the 60's, Gay face it now. The Blacks have Martin Luther King & Oprah, the Gays have Harvey Milk & Ellen.
Gays CAN get married EVERYWHERE. No one FORCES them to be gay and end up with homosexual unions instead. That's their CHOICE. Black people were given NO choice. Gays are not hung and beat in the U.S. any more than any other group. Gays can HIDE their homosexuality to avoid that stuff, too. Black people never could. That gays have been through SOME crap, doesn't mean that you have no right to marry. You do. You just don't exercise it, being gay. Not the government's fault.
Yes, people people wake up one day and choose to be sexual attracted to the opposite sex. People choose to be discriminated against. What ignorance. And why should gay people pretend to be straight, just to please people like you? Why can't you pretend to NOT be a Bigot just to please them? Why does anyone have to please anyone?
Gay's are not beat in the USA? Then who is Mathew Sheppard?
Point is, there are LOTS of gay people who pretend to be straight, and get into hetero marriages, just to please small minded idiots like you, only to end in Divorce, WHY? Because you can't make yourself sexually attracted to something you're not. In fact the States where gay marriage is Legal have the lowest Divorce rates in the country.
And you can't make yourself sexual attracted to something you are not. If I told you to try to be sexually attracted to the same gender, or even animals or lamps, you probably couldn't, why? because you're not sexually attracted to those things, simple as that. That's why it's not a choice. Quit being ignorant.
I never said you can change your sexual attraction. I said that you CHOOSE the same sex, BECAUSE you're gay. It's still a choice. No one FORCED you to be gay. It's not the government's fault you don't want to get married and instead choose the same sex. It's just the way it is. The problem is, you've made up a dogma because you can't deal with reality.
Again, more ignorance. Being Gay is who you are, not what you do. You can go thru your whole life & never kiss, date, or have sex with the same gender, but if you are sexually attracted to the same gender, then you are gay. You dont have to act on it to be gay. No one chooses to be black, or female, or blind. You make no sense, How can you NOT choose your sexual attraction, yet choose to be gay? And gays do want to get married, to the person of their choosing, & its the govt, fault they cant.
Again you make no sense. You're talking about gay's CHOOSING to be gay, yet you say you are not talking about being gay. & you're right, Gay's Don't choose to marry someone of the opposite gender, they choose & want to marry someone of the same gender, However the Govt. IS telling them they cannot do this, due to their gender. THAT is Gender Discrimination, which is against the Constitution.
I am not talking about gays choosing to be gay, genius. I never said they chose that. What they DO choose is not to marry. The government is NOT telling them they can't do this, due to gender. They are simply not recognizing same sex unions as the same as straight unions, so they are using different terms to describe them. Get over it. The government is NOT required to adopt your gay dogma or value system.
You think the term "Marriage" is only to defined a legal union between a male & female, yet the term is loosely used. Marriage only means "A Union". When Peanut Butter is MARRIED with Jelly and bread, you get a PB&J Sandwich. When You MARRY Water with Freezing Temperatures, you get ice. When you MARRY Yellow & Blue, you get GREEN. When you MARRY 2 people of the same gender, you get a married same sex couple. You dont want to believe 2 people of the same gender can be a marriage, but it is.
Do you want to debate with an English: language & discourse major about the definition of *marriage*? Good luck. No, the government does not use the term *married* to describe the union of peanut butter and jelly. Similarly, they're not going to use that term with something ELSE that is not the same as a real marriage, a civil union. Get over it. You have no right to have the government adopt an anti-family value system.
AGAIN! You just can't seem to make any sense of anything you say, or ever justify any of your ideas. How is Same Sex Marriage Anti-Family? Please Explain. Many same sex couples have families, come from Families, and raise families. To Me, "Anti-Family" is something that splits up families, like divorce. The Government permits Divorce, so According to you, the Government is already "Anti-Family". Get it through your ignorant skull.
Anti-family, as in, gay union=marriage, implying that biological parents raising their own children means nothing, that having both a mom and a dad means nothing, implying that natural procreation between life partners is irrelevant. The government does not PROMOTE divorce. But if it adopts your gay dogma, it is devaluing what makes REAL marriage special.
Yes, because Straight Marriage is SO Special, which is why People can't go to Las Vegas, and get married in a 5 minute drive-thru wedding, then get that marriage annulled in 22 hours. Marriage is so special that shows like 'Who what;s to marry a Multi-millionare" and "the Bachelor" don't treat marriage as a game show. Marriage is so special that 50% of marriages don't end in divorce. If anything, heteros make a mockery of marriage more then gays do.
My Point is, Many Religious People say Gay Marriage would 'De-Value' marriage, when there are drive-thru wedding chapels in Vegas where you can drive up and be LEGALLY married in 5 minutes. If that doesn't "de-value' marriage, then I don't know what does.
I could care less about how "valuable" marriage is too someone. The simple fact is, Banning gay marriage is a violation of civil rights which is against the constitution, because it is gender discrimination.
Actually, the California Supreme Court point out that it is NOT gender discrimination, first of all. Second of all, Nevada's marriage laws are garbage. I am against those also. Just because they have a crappy law, doesn't mean it's OK to pass MORE crappy laws. Also, obviously you don't care how valuable marriage is. You care about youself, not society or children. That's how liberals are.
The Supreme Court is Not always right. Please explain to me HOW it is NOT gender Discrimination? What do Marriage laws say about hermaphrodites? what gender are they considered to be, and Who are they allowed to marry? What about a man who is married to a women, yet then decides to get a legal sex change, but he and his wife still choose to be married. because you who, this scenario HAS happened. What does the law say about them? Banning gay marriage is flawed. it's gender discrimination.
So you think you're smarter than a panel of former lawyers who proved to be the best of the best at interpretting and understanding the law and insist it IS gender discrimination? You do know that this is only about a definition and not about gender. Man+woman in a union=marriage. That is not discrimination against men or women. It is a DELINIATION of what a marriage entails.
There you go. Man + Woman, Not Man + hermaphrodite, or Man + Trans Gendered Person. This law puts a label on gender, and forces people, who don't have a specific gender, to pick one. The the universal Definition of MARRIAGE: The union of two people, to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life. Nowhere does it say MAN & WOMAN. The Supreme Court is Changing a Definition, not keeping it the same. It's gender Bias. No matter what you think, bias is discrimination.
not to mention discriminatory, going against the idea that government is there to protect the minority, and allowing religion to take a foothold in goverment which is extremely dangerous and intolerable as you have the right to follow any religion you choose yet this law would force one religion's opinion on everyone in that state.
i am totally with you ofelixdacat, but talking to these people is like talking to a recording!!!! grrr gd luck!
they've been proven wrong again and again and anyone with an objective mind can see that law is unconstitutional and unjust. however, i think every time they are proven wrong the neutral people, mostly straight people who are non-religious and are unaffected by the change in law, are spurred in to taking sides and they're taking the side that fights for freedom more often than taking the side that fights for discrimination.
i think the next step for the uk is actually calling it marriage here
oh its legal with exactly the same rights and responsibilities as a straight marriage. the only problem is its not called marriage. its called a civil partnership.
How about Companies in the UK which ONLY offer specific benefits to people who are MARRIED. Would they still be required to offer the SAME benefits to people who are only in Civil Partnerships?
yes i'm pretty sure they do, actually i think i remember a company being because they didn't want to give gay couples the same benefits they gave hetro couples. i'm pretty sure the company got a beating :-)
SEGREGATION??? ROFL Yeah, dude, a different name means you're segregated. My parents segregated me from all my siblings. Oh, the humanity!! The injustice!!
its like when black people had to use a different water fountain. they looked exactly the same (mostly) and produced the same quality of water. so what was the problem there?
if people where fighting to give different names to black and white marriages and biracial marriages etc they'd be called racists and told to shut up wouldn't they?
Rav, actually, gay people could be compared to Black people, if Black people had a biological urge to use a different water fountain. See, the thing is, a gay union IS different. Calling it by the same name will not make it the same or equal. Are you TRYING to say that the civil rights movement was about a race of people with a phobia of the front of the bus, demanding that the gov't call the back, "the front," so they wouldn't feel so segregated?
There you go again, CIVIL RIGHTS has NOTHING to do with Race, gender, or sexual orientation, it's about EVERYONE getting the same rights regardless of these things. Even people with "behavior problems" have the same rights as everyone else. There's no law banning Kleptomaniacs from sitting at the front of a bus, or banning pyromaniacs from voting, There shouldnt be one banning gays from Marriage. Just people people have "behavior problems", that doesn't constitute them having less rights.
And as I said, too bad your you, Homosexuality is NOT listed as a "Behavior Problem" according to the APA (American Psychiatric Association). Unlike you, the APA knows what they are talking about.
Also, this post is so dumb, we are all dumber for having read it. People with "behavior problems," DO typically have fewer rights. For example, they often go to prison. They are CERTAINLY not REWARDED for their behavioral problems, as you are attempting to reward gay people equally for their inferior unions.
AGAIN! Your argument is irrelevant because this has NOTHING to do with Children. ANYONE can have children and raise children, you don't need to be married. By what you are saying, we should ban single parenting, Adoption, & Foster care because that would mean children wouldn't be raised by both their biological parents. You say just because Divorce is legal, it doesn't mean the govt. promotes it. Well, just because gay marriage is legal, that doesn't mean the govt. would promote that either.
Did I mention that Only Idiots resort to insults and name calling just because they can't justify their argument? Idiots also don't make sense and contradict themselves. Yep, sounds like you alright.
Doesn't the constitution exist to protect the minority from the majority? So why would anyone change the constitution to take away rights from the majority just because the majority of people are unintelligent? Prop 8 supporters can only be cruel, ignorant, or unintelligent.
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So, I am cruel, ignorant, and unintelligent? I have based my arguments against homosexuality on pure and simple logic. I can't help it if some of the world desires the night of self-induced blindness over the pure light of truth and reason.But tell me, should we not ALL fight for the right to propose what we believe is right and,if possible, see it put into action? Isn't that what it's all about? Would you silence me? Kill me even, to put forth your own views? Surely not friend, surely not.
You based it on poor logic, that falls in the unintelligent category, yes.
I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who said the majority should never vote for the rights of the minority. Nobody is asking you to be quiet, and kill you?
Lol, it's so silly that you would even say that.
No you have the same right to free speech, but you don't have the right to take another's rights away.
Now, let's actually try to have an intelligent thought here.
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Do you realize what you are saying? Poor logic?In order to establish whether or not something should be allowed it must be confirmed as to whether it is right or wrong.After this has been established, it must be put into practice.That is what this is about when all is said and done, not the violation of rights friend. You should rest a little more easy. Be proud that here in America, we have the power to make decisions based on what we see as right and wrong.
I haven't heard, in reading your comments, or any comments, the slightest hint of proper reasoning for it to be considered "wrong".
I believe teaching children they will burn in hell f they don't believe in an imaginary friend is amoral and very wrong. Yet, I'm not trying to take away your rights to live your life as you see fit.
Ignorant americans, the kind who are ruining the reputation of the country, voted to limit the rights of another set of people. That is unconstitutional, and immoral.
A magnificent performance, and a heartfelt sentiment. Many of us who worked in the fights against Prop. 8 and Amendment 2 were struck a hard blow last November, but we must remember that time is on our side and the fight is far from over.
You don't get to vote on my rights. It doesn't work that way. The day that I can vote on whether or not I get to keep you as a slave, that's the day you get to vote on whether or not I can get married. Until then, it's my choice, not yours.
To Matthew: My first general comment was directed at those who have used religion to condemn marriage equality, and also to those who rant against the concept of redefining marriage. This comment is to exclusively thank you for a beautiful and soothing musical rendition.
I AM A PROUD ASS HOLE GET IT RIGHT GAY IS NOT A CHOICE IT'S WHAT YOUR SICC MIND MAKE YOU THINK THAT and i am tried of people saying they where born gay so you saying god made in perfect people i don't think so.... CONGRADULATIONS ON THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT AND VOTE THE RIGHT WAY WHICH WAS yes on 8 and i mean that.one man and one woman let god plan it.. I KNOW YOU GOING TO LASH OUT ON MY COMMENTS SO WHAT I DON'T CARE
Where do you get off thinking Christianity developed the institution of marriage? Marriage was a human custom long before Christianity or Judaism was ever heard of,& it was totally secular during times of ancient Egypt. Also,marriage has been redefined many times in the past with legalization of divorce,criminalization of marital rape,legalization of interracial marriage,recognition of women's rights to own property in a marriage,& elimination of parent's right to choose the mate.
machelli I feel for you, it is sad to see that loads of people voted for proposition 8, sad day indeed, it is utter nonsense if you ask me, but as they say, majority has spoken and it is sad that many don't see how important this issue is for nearly 10-15% of Californians. In time perhaps.
As to Obama I can only say, I am glad to see the back f W'ya and I hope Obama turns the US Economy around but also American way of thinking.
the only problem is just because the majority voted for something doesn't make it just or moral. that is the same logic that has justified genocide and every other crime against a minority for 1000's of yrs.. justice isn't determined by the majority.. justice is an idea not a vote on a ballot.
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Hey Asshole, gays get married everyday in California. They have for many years. Nobody is stopping gays from getting married.
Your going to cry just because the gov't won't approve and give you your dignity? LOL
This video is a perfect example of why you should never be legally married. We let the fags vote, and look at how they thank us. Fuck the faggot community. God Bless Dan White.
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By the way, marriage and its rights its a social figure to protect society itself and promote development. Traditional marriages are families that assure human perpetuity because they don't need medical assistance nor other people's help to have children. These are facts, not opinions. I would recommend to gay people, please be more original, stop trying to copy what others do. Be yourselves, do not try to be a heterosexual couple 'cause you're not. Or are we talking just about money???
once again the same old false arguement about procreation. it's fact that marriage aint all about procreation (if soo than there's alot of work to be done to make those lazy coples producing, we can't let it get rusty! oh and if you can't get pregnant than sorry girls but you better give your marriage licence back! it's all about development.) can you see where it sounds ridiculous when you use that card?! all gay people want is the same validation of their loving relationships as anyone else.
Well, marriage it's not all about procreation, but it's quite about procreation, so it's not a false argument. It's exactly the argument that you can't accept. If a couple can't get pregnant it's a disgrace and a health problem, not an excuse to call marriage to what is not. Comparing things that are different is not a validation, it's just a desire.
they don wanna be like straight coples!! they just want their love and their families to get the same worthing, at least by the governmant who they pay their taxes to and unther the law's eyes. it's not only a legal or financial issue but it's a social standing here.
Sorry, but I don't agree. I don't think we can compare a hetero sexual couple and a homosexual one, because it's not the same. One can have children (on their own I mean) and the other needs external help, amongst other differences that would take too long to tell now. I think that some people are making a mountain out of a grain, just because "they're don't have the same rights", assuming that both things are "the same". I really sympathise with all the gay people but I don't agree. ;-)
you're getting corny lately, the sun going down, the American flag... com'on like it's such a big disaster. As long as you can live and be with the person you love, it's not a big deal.
actually i would say he is more like surprising me and getting out of the shell.
there's no shame in reacting and showing your disaproval and disgust of such a unfair and horrible happening. lot's of lives have been limited after this. it would be just as sad as if we would take the legal right for heterosexual coples to get married. then i'm not soo sure they would still say things such as "as long as you can live and be with the person you love, it's not a big deal".
It is so sad the US seems to be going backwards. I am so glad I live in Canada, but I will keep fighting for my brothers and sisters to the South. Oh and amazing video.
What a drama queen/ignoramous. You morons have no right to recognition and a title that you haven't earned. You can "marry" all you want, but there is no right to change the language and no right to be recognized by a word based on YOUR minority, radical values/dogma. The gov't should avoid adopting your ridiculous homoromantic dogmas.
no way! i'm sorry man but you must be kidding with that comment. dogmatic is the view that religious institutions are deffending... limiting marriage on it's meaning and putting it into such a small box.
Here is the homoromantic dogma that is implied by using the same word for homosexual and heterosexual relations: having both mom and dad in home is irrelevant, natural procreation with the person you love is irrelevant, having children is of little importance, having biological parents stay with their children is irrelevant, homosexuality gets the same credit despite heterosexuality creating all of civilization, having urges that compliment one's biology is irrelevant. This is all a gay fantasy.
1. wow... if that is your arguement i'm glad to hear. i was expecting to read another passionate beautiful piece of literature from the holy bible. but instead, a worked logical answer!! which made my day. but the thing is i still have to disagree. i just don't see it that simple. i don't see this in a question of who gets the credits or who's better than the other because me as a citizen i see everyones valew in one way or another and we all create all of civilization. humanity is soo diverse.
2. i see marriage as a celebration, reinforcement and declaration of one's love and devotion to one another and an open possibility to if their wish found a family (which as you wisely recognized can't be only defined by procreation). and this is a luxury that i believe everyone should have the irrevocable right to join.
Yes, you have a right to see marriage however you want. However, claiming it is a right to have the gov't adopt your values above the majority is just self-important delusions of grandeur.
oh right... yes of coooourse it is! ok.. i've seen quite a few of your comments now and i finaly realised what i am dealing with. lol just not interested in keeping on with this. no point! you call us dogmatics?! funny how it sounds soo ironic. either way i know that sooner or later this hange will happen and people 20 years from now will look back and say how ridiculous and unfair leaving a majority to decide on a issue of civil rights of a minority. just as happened before! goes in a cicle.
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A civil right to have the minority dictate government dogma. Sure. There is no point to debating me with, only because there is no justification for that BS. You're a bunch of self-righteous control freaks who want to turn the U.S. into a homoromantic totalitarian oligarchy.
I'm personally torn on the same-sex marriage issue, but this video was still moving to me. I don't live in California, so I wasn't involved in Prop 8, but this video made me think a little bit more which way I would have voted.
That's sad this country is in that kind of subject, I just think this is ridiculous. Rights that people someday won are now taking away??? Seems like this country is going backwards instead of forward. Let's make the prop 9 t against rights black people got and go back to slavery and segregation, prop 10 against rights for women to vote and work, prop 11 against rights children have, props against any other rights 'd make this country a civilized, smart and tolerant one.
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The supreme court shouldn't make decissions for us, everything should be voted on by the citizens that will be effected by the outcome. California has voted on more then 1 occasion against gay marriage, so that's how it should be.
The rule of the masses isn't always justice. It's not about what YOU want, it's about what's right. It's about discrimination and people's rights; if Californians discriminate when they vote, then they shouldn't be permitted to.
Our government is based on the executive, legislative and JUDICAL branches so that there is balance of power, checks and balances, etc. Voters are not always the most educated or informed when they go to the voting booth.
This argument is very anti-democratic. You can't just invent rights for a group of people and then say they have been violated. It must be approved by the people. And in California they voted against this legal definition. And they voted against them earlier and they voted before that against them. The will of the people is a peaceful way of resolving issues. Don't make it violent. Because violence yields violence.
Yeah until the Fucking LDS sticked their nose where it didn't belong... Raising over 40 million dollars to spread hate, way to go LDS... Do us all a favor and stick your book of Normon up your ASS....
JPRamon68 4 months ago
Happto be able to comment that Prop 8 has been overturned as of August 4th of 2009!
decidedvoter08 1 year ago
I really love your rendition of this song it is so beautiful nice Job I could listen to this over and over again. Good Job
Sirpatrick1988 2 years ago 4
Machelli, This is beautiful.
You need to record more music!
ubentu 2 years ago 4
This is beautifully done. Thanks for sharing. I appreciated it.
corazonrendido 2 years ago 4
What a beautiful video.
LetsTalkSexTalk 2 years ago 2
you should eat some cake then you'd be =D
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bobgnote1 2 years ago
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What a drama queen. Sorry, but a UNION has no right to equality. PEOPLE have rights. UNIONS are THINGS and have no rights. To say gay unions are equal to straight is an opinion, like saying a tuna banana sandwich is equal to a BLT. The people have every right to vote that it will not be considered the same.
namordecai 2 years ago
THE LIMIT HAS BEEN CROSSED WITH SHITTY "EQUALITY"
WE ARE USING THE WRONG APPROACH TO GAY MARRIAGE
I'm from the Middle East, and there I have SEEN "traditionnal marriage": Women oppressed, uneducated, used, abused, sold, bought and SILENCED. Just like it used to be here in the US traditionnally...
And yet we've FORGOTTEN about that!
Our message must be this: Marriage has ALREADY changed, and we ALL benefit from that!
Please go to my profile to know more
THIS IS HOW WE WILL WIN!
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
The anti-love bigots will lose in the end. There is not a single convincing argument for continuing to deny civil rights to people based on who they find attractive. We should expect that religiously brainwashed hatred shall become increasingly less tolerable in an increasingly overpopulated world.
JPinLA 2 years ago
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seanyymacc 2 years ago
i agree with namordecai. ofelixdacat you make no sense what so ever.
just cus you believe something should be, it doesnt mean the whole world does, and it also doesnt make you right.
open up your mind a little, and accept.
jackie4m 2 years ago
YOU make no sense whatsoever. The same argument you made against me could easily pertain to Namordecai's comments as well. Just because YOU believe homosexuality is wrong, it doesn't mean the whole world does, and it also doesn't make YOU right.
I have yet to see a GOOD argument against Homosexuality or Gay Marriage, why? because there isn't one.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
ROFL... So putting a label on gender is wrong? We're not allowed, according to you, to call women "women," and men, "men." Idiot. No wonder you think there's no good argument. You have no grasp of logic or reality, so you wouldn't recognize a good argument if it bit you in the perinneum.
namordecai 2 years ago
im sorry do u have a GOOD Argument? because I have yet to hear it. & only "Idiots" resort in insult just because they dont have a GOOD Argument
DISCRIMINATION: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit. Calling something by it's term such as MAN or WOMAN is NOT Discrimination. MAN is a Class, WOMAN is a Class, GAY is a Class. TREATING them a certain way based on their class IS Discrimination. Prop 8 puts Gays at a Lower class, so it's Discrimination
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
ROFL. I'm not basing it on their class, you f'ing moron. I'm labelling their UNIONS, which have no right to equality. A union is not a person, genius. So there goes your great argument. Why would I waste MY good arguments on you? You can't even tell the difference between a person and a thing. Your union thingies suck, compared to straight unions.
namordecai 2 years ago
YOU ARE basing your argument against gay marriage on Class. GAY is a Class. You said yourself: "You're not FORCED to be gay", "It's not the Govt. fault youre gay", You said just because someone is classfied as gay, it doesnt mean they should get equal rights.
I clarify & define things u say, then you just revert back and pretend im going off topic. YOU make no sense.
YOU are not using your 'good' arguments because you obviously don't have any. The f*ing moron here is YOU!
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Yes, I said you're not forced to be gay. What the hell does that have to do with the fact that I insist on calling gay unions by a different name than marriage? If you got married heterosexually, you'd have all the same rights. I wouldn't ask that the government penalize you for being GAY. It's a little like tuna and banana. Individually, they're fine. Put them together, and they taste like Satan incarnate. Similarly, individually, gay people are equal. Together, they are a big fat B.M.
namordecai 2 years ago
You call MY arguments ridicules & silly, yet there you go comparing Gay Marriage to Tuna & Bananas. You may not personally like the taste of tuna & Bananas Together, but other people might. Just because some people don't like the "taste" or the idea of something, that doesn't constitute it not having the same equal protections & rights under the law.
& Not Liking Gay Marriage, is what this ALL boils down to. There is NO real argument against gay marriage, other then
people not liking it.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
So you think tuna a banana sandwich has a right to the same government treatment as banana or tuna individually. That makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Do you even know what a RIGHT is???
namordecai 2 years ago
No, because Tuna & bananas are Food, not physical human beings and American citizens who pay taxes. What's RIGHT is giving all your citizens the same rights and opportunities, ESPECIALLY if they are all paying their taxes. Even illegal Immigrants who don't pay taxes can marry who they want.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
As a tax payer, I don't want my children FORCED to eat tuna banana for lunch, just because YOU think it's delicious. Also, in some cultures, humans ARE food. So why can't I compare gay unions to tuna banana? Gay unions in fact, aren't people nor food nor anything remotely resembling delicious. It's not a right to be DECLARED delicious, either. Bottom line, go eat your tuna banana on your own and let my children eat their BBQ human forearm.
namordecai 2 years ago
And as a taxpayer, I don't want MY children being told would they can & can't do with their lives by ignorant people like you. If you wanna eat BBQ limbs, then you go ahead & do that. What you like to eat is your business & has no effect on anyone else. What I eat is my business too, & has no effect on you whatsoever, so mind your own diet, and stop telling others what they should eat.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Hey, genius, I'm not telling anyone kids anything about gay couples. Prop. 8 says that the GOVERNMENT will not recognize gay unions as marriages. Prop. 8 involves ZERO coersion on the government's part. All it does is determine what the government will receive all the benefits instituted by the legislature for straight couples. Your domestic partnerships give ALL relevant benefits to gay couples that are required for familial recognition, according to the CA Supreme Court.
namordecai 2 years ago
NOPE. Companies are NOT required to give the same benefits to same sex couples in 'Domestic Partnerships', which they give to Married Couples. It's not 100% equal, think again.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
What part of prop. 8 involves coersion? None of it. It says that California will only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman. Which part of that forces anything on YOU or KIDS? It takes away your POWER, but you have no right to power. You think power is freedom, and you demand it. But this is a Democracy, where the majority rules, unless a human rights violation is involved. Where is the human rights violation? According to current laws, there is none. You have no case.
namordecai 2 years ago
Exactly, Same sex marriage forces NOTHING to YOU or your Kids, which is why 'Yes on 8" idiots needs to stop using children in their adds pretending like Same sex marriage will effect there children.
HUMAN RIGHTS: basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, which includes EQUALITY before the law. Denying a minority the right to marry who they choose, yet giving that right to the majority, IS not equal. Therefore, it IS a human rights violation. Just proved you wrong again.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
THe government adopting "same sex marriage," even if it didn't spill into public schools like in Massachusetts, still represents a usurpation of power away from Democracy. Minority values imposed on a Democratic government is unacceptable in principle and moreso that it will spill into public schools, so don't tell me it doesn't effect me.
namordecai 2 years ago
"California will only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman. Which part of that forces anything on YOU or KIDS?"
You just said yourself that California's Definition of "marriage" has no effect of YOU or YOUR KIDS. Seriously, when Gay Marriage was legal for the 3 months which is was, how on earth did it effect you at all? Did they teach it is schools? Did Churches get sued? Were Hetero Marriages split up? NO! It had no effect on anyone else whatsoever, PROVE that it effected you.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
I didn' say California's definitionof marriage has no effect. How delusional are you? What I said was, "[prop 8] says that California will only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman. Which part of that forces anything on YOU or KIDS?" Learn to read, idiot. In fact, when "gay marriage" was recognized, it WAS taught in San Francisco. Don't you follow the news? It IS taught in Massachusetts schools and CAlifornia law says it MUST be taught, if it is a marriage. So, you're an idiot.
namordecai 2 years ago
Also, do you REALLY think there are people that would like tuna banana? Also, do you think that if a minority of people like it, should the government officially declare it to be delicious? Because I'm pretty sure most people think it's crap. Similarly, why should the government declare gay unions to be as good as straight unions, when the majority don't believe for a second that they're as good.
namordecai 2 years ago
weather or not they're as good has nothing to do with it. the government wouldn't be saying gay marriage is as or better than straight marriage only that its an option for people who want it.
your reasoning was use to try to stop black and white people from marrying each other but we all agree its none of our business who anyone else marries.
also the majority agree that the value of gay marriage/ union isn't in question, nor its practicality.
Ravagad 2 years ago
Dropped on your head as a baby one too many times, fudge plunger? None of that has any truthiness to it. FACT: when you see a rainbow, that means God is frowning at gays.
Seriously, though, you're an idiot. If you call two different things by the same name, you imply it's the same or the differences are irrelevant. So "gay marriage" is an adoption of gay values. And, the MAJORITY agree that the value of "gay marriage" isn't in question nor its practicality? What is wrong with you?
namordecai 2 years ago
They you go again, just because someone is RIGHT and proved you wrong, you go back to reverting to personal insult, which make YOU look stupid. Liked I said, companies do NOT have to give benefits to "civil Partnerships" if they do to Married couples.
You you truly believe that changing the definition of marriage changes nothing, then why are so so against it? How does it effect you? what does it have anything to do with you?
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Someone PROVED me wrong, eh? They proved what? That a tuna banana sandwich is equal to a BLT or that a gay union is equal to marriage? You can't prove either one. They're opinions. However, you can go by the majority opinion, which is as objective as you can get. The majority opinion is that gay unions are NOT equal, so I win. You're wrong. You are entitled to everyone being equal under the law. BUT you are not entitled to all behavior being equal. And yours isn't.
namordecai 2 years ago
If a same sex marriage is entitled to the same tax & health benefits as hetero Marriage, then in the eyes of the law it is EQUAL. BTW, Those 18,000 same sex marriages which happened before prop 8 passed are still recognized by the state, & do receive the same benefits as Hetero Marriage. You may not see them as being "equal" to hetero marriage, but the law does. PROVE YOU WRONG. You lose.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
"If a same sex marriage is entitled to the same tax & health benefits as hetero Marriage, then in the eyes of the law it is EQUAL"
The key word here is "it." IT is equal in the eyes of the law. The thing is ITs don't have rights. They're things. So I say it is unequal as do most Americans.
namordecai 2 years ago
whos in favor of same sex marriage here?
jackie4m 2 years ago
i do support it
brotmann86 2 years ago
Oops. I meant to neg that. Just so you know.
HumanDichotomy 2 years ago
that was great...and you play the saxophone extreamly well..Do you have a place where I could listen to something else you've played
YoMomzBoyFriend 2 years ago
This was completely gorgeous. It cheered me up listening to it! :)
VanillaSlash 2 years ago
aww im gonna cry.FALSE IM NOT GOING TO CRY,california approved it twice,get it through your head GAH!
projecrunway 2 years ago
Splendid flick! I particularly like your studied diffident awkwardness - contrasting starkly with your undoubted talents and good looks. Subscribed.
mbustany 2 years ago
I can't download it from your site because I don't have quicktime pro :(
Nejra 2 years ago
i like how soft spoken you are.
Mattysfun 2 years ago
I've never heard the term "dead space" describe a lifetime experience so well. Thank you for defining almost every moment of my experience so well. You encourage my very existence.
canadianhumility 2 years ago
Awesome! The original version was in c-minor though. But this is still great. :)
BrandonHarami 3 years ago
As a God fearing Republican, I would have voted yes, but that was an amazing video and a great performance. Life's about trade offs and we can't have everything, so don't get too discouraged. Keep the films coming! -Justin
mountainwarriorprod 3 years ago
Dude!!! stay away from trouble and you got a pretty good chance of becoming the Major of this state,no bs you got good PR.
robertdjwizard 3 years ago
Had the courts not involved themselves and overruled the "Will of the People in the '60s, civil rights would not have been won for blacks and other minorities. (Do you really think that the "Will of the People" back then would have allowed them that?) Same, same now with gay rights.
wafuuwafuu 3 years ago
There is no right to RECOGNITION, which is what this is about.
namordecai 3 years ago
Marriage is a civil right, not a heterosexual privilege.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
Redefining the word *marriage* is not a right at all.
namordecai 2 years ago
@ namordecai: What a silly response. Marriage has been re-defined many times over the years.
I'll make it easy for you and give you just one instance... Marriage laws once prohibited minorites from marrying whites... and that was re-defined by the courts.
It's like a chain of dominoes now... most of the north-eastern states now have gay marriage, and so does Iowa. Iowa!
This is a rising tide that you cannot stop.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
That's not the issue, genius. The question is, do YOU have the right to change the definition of *marriage* for everyone? The answer is no. Iowa will vote down "gay marriage," by the way. It won't be a contest. You say we can't stop it. However, with all the illegal immigrants who vote against it, learning English and becoming citizens, YOU can't stop US. Furthermore, since the idea that a gay union=straight union is pure dogma, we only need to keep explaining that, and we'll destroy you.
namordecai 2 years ago
I forgot to mention, the court did NOT redefine marriage with regard to interracial marriages. They simply lifted a ban on interracial marriage. Duh. You shouldn't lie so blatantly. Even an idiot could have seen through that one.
namordecai 2 years ago
namordecai.... oh boy. wait a second while I stop laughing!
Don't be an idiot: Lifting a ban of interracial marriage DOES redefine what marriage is, smart guy!
At times, marriage meant that women were the property of their husbands. Gosh, sounds like another redefinition happened there!
Admit it... you have no real argument. The real reason is that you just don't like the idea of two men being able to say, "I do". You make up false arguments to support your homophobia.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
Oh yeah, mormon namordecai... regarding the Iowa decision:
You should do your research better. In order to get it on the Iowa ballot, it has to be approved in 2 different years by the legislature. Those dear leaders have indicated that it aint gonna happen.
It's even more significant that while the previous other 3 state courts that upheld gay marriage were 4 to 3 decisions. However, the Iowa Supreme Court justices ruled 7 to 0 in favor of gay marriage.
There's no room for discrimination.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
So you're saying that you gay dogma is forced upon the people of Iowa and that you're not allowed to discriminate against behavior. So that would mean that all behavior and societal roles must be treated equally, right? So the postman will be paid the same and get the same benefits as a COP. And a murderer can't get sent to prison. That's discrimination against murderers! You lefties are such geniuses, throwing all reason and logic out the window for gay dogma.
namordecai 2 years ago
Oh namordecai, you're putting words in my mouth! That's not allowed!
I never said that all behavior and societal roles should be treated equally. YOU did.
I also never said that you can't discriminate against behavior. It is, however, typical mormon dogma, to call being gay a "behavior". In fact, your faith ignores accepted mainstream science for the sake of it's dogma!
I should know... I was fortunate to escape from the mormon cult--er, religion, before too much damage was done.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
Lifting a ban on interracial marriage doesn't redefine marriage, idiot. The word marriage was universally accepted to apply to interracial couples. To compare the two suggests that Black people had a biological urge to segregate themselves. What a RACIST you are.
namordecai 2 years ago
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divinehumanism 2 years ago
Silly boy, I'm not racist at all. Again, you're making an illogical conclusion.
To uphold equality, the word marriage should be universally accepted to apply to gay couples as well.
"To compare the two suggests that black people had a biological urge to segregate." You're kidding me, right? It doesn't suggest that at all.
But if what you mean is that gay people have a biological urge, then how can you then say in another post that its a behavior? Make up your mind- behavior, or biology?
divinehumanism 2 years ago
And the Question is, do YOU have the right to tell people what they would do with their lives and what they should beleive? NO! Welcome to 2009 times r changin. Same Sex marriage will eventually be legal in ALL 50 states, It might take 20 years for that to become reality, but mark my words, it will happen. People who fought to keep slavery legal lost, and so did people to fought to keep segregation, ban interracial marriage, and bar womens rights. Just look at History, Gays will get their rights
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
You bigots DISGUST me. Black people NEVER had a biological urge to pick cotton, to sit at the backs of buses or to go to inferior schools, you sh** head. To say to me that you're like Black people is like vomiting on my brain. You're sick, dude. You idiots are FREE to choose marriage, but you instead choose the same-sex due to being gay. You're not FORCED to be gay, sh** for brains. Neither the government nor the police are forcing you to choose the same sex.
namordecai 2 years ago
I'm a bigot? I'm not the homophobe. The Government doesn't force people to be black either what's your point? And I have shit for brains? You cant even come up with a good argument, you you resort to name calling and insults. You lost your argument, face it.
and you're right, the goverment doesn't efforce racism anymore, however they still do efforce discrimination based on gender & Sexual Orientation.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Lets see what Gays and Blacks have in common:
Blacks were hung and beat in the 1880's, gay are hung and beat right now, in countries like Iran. Blacks couldn't marry whites in any state the 1960's and gay can't get married now in most states. Blacks were 2nd class citizens in the 60's, like gays. Blacks face much discrimination and hatred in the 60's, Gay face it now. The Blacks have Martin Luther King & Oprah, the Gays have Harvey Milk & Ellen.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Gays CAN get married EVERYWHERE. No one FORCES them to be gay and end up with homosexual unions instead. That's their CHOICE. Black people were given NO choice. Gays are not hung and beat in the U.S. any more than any other group. Gays can HIDE their homosexuality to avoid that stuff, too. Black people never could. That gays have been through SOME crap, doesn't mean that you have no right to marry. You do. You just don't exercise it, being gay. Not the government's fault.
namordecai 2 years ago
Yes, people people wake up one day and choose to be sexual attracted to the opposite sex. People choose to be discriminated against. What ignorance. And why should gay people pretend to be straight, just to please people like you? Why can't you pretend to NOT be a Bigot just to please them? Why does anyone have to please anyone?
Gay's are not beat in the USA? Then who is Mathew Sheppard?
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Point is, there are LOTS of gay people who pretend to be straight, and get into hetero marriages, just to please small minded idiots like you, only to end in Divorce, WHY? Because you can't make yourself sexually attracted to something you're not. In fact the States where gay marriage is Legal have the lowest Divorce rates in the country.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
And you can't make yourself sexual attracted to something you are not. If I told you to try to be sexually attracted to the same gender, or even animals or lamps, you probably couldn't, why? because you're not sexually attracted to those things, simple as that. That's why it's not a choice. Quit being ignorant.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
I never said you can change your sexual attraction. I said that you CHOOSE the same sex, BECAUSE you're gay. It's still a choice. No one FORCED you to be gay. It's not the government's fault you don't want to get married and instead choose the same sex. It's just the way it is. The problem is, you've made up a dogma because you can't deal with reality.
namordecai 2 years ago
Again, more ignorance. Being Gay is who you are, not what you do. You can go thru your whole life & never kiss, date, or have sex with the same gender, but if you are sexually attracted to the same gender, then you are gay. You dont have to act on it to be gay. No one chooses to be black, or female, or blind. You make no sense, How can you NOT choose your sexual attraction, yet choose to be gay? And gays do want to get married, to the person of their choosing, & its the govt, fault they cant.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
"Being Gay is who you are, not what you do"
I'm not talking about being gay. I'm talking about getting married, genius. Getting married IS what you do.
namordecai 2 years ago
Again you make no sense. You're talking about gay's CHOOSING to be gay, yet you say you are not talking about being gay. & you're right, Gay's Don't choose to marry someone of the opposite gender, they choose & want to marry someone of the same gender, However the Govt. IS telling them they cannot do this, due to their gender. THAT is Gender Discrimination, which is against the Constitution.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
I am not talking about gays choosing to be gay, genius. I never said they chose that. What they DO choose is not to marry. The government is NOT telling them they can't do this, due to gender. They are simply not recognizing same sex unions as the same as straight unions, so they are using different terms to describe them. Get over it. The government is NOT required to adopt your gay dogma or value system.
namordecai 2 years ago
You think the term "Marriage" is only to defined a legal union between a male & female, yet the term is loosely used. Marriage only means "A Union". When Peanut Butter is MARRIED with Jelly and bread, you get a PB&J Sandwich. When You MARRY Water with Freezing Temperatures, you get ice. When you MARRY Yellow & Blue, you get GREEN. When you MARRY 2 people of the same gender, you get a married same sex couple. You dont want to believe 2 people of the same gender can be a marriage, but it is.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Do you want to debate with an English: language & discourse major about the definition of *marriage*? Good luck. No, the government does not use the term *married* to describe the union of peanut butter and jelly. Similarly, they're not going to use that term with something ELSE that is not the same as a real marriage, a civil union. Get over it. You have no right to have the government adopt an anti-family value system.
namordecai 2 years ago
AGAIN! You just can't seem to make any sense of anything you say, or ever justify any of your ideas. How is Same Sex Marriage Anti-Family? Please Explain. Many same sex couples have families, come from Families, and raise families. To Me, "Anti-Family" is something that splits up families, like divorce. The Government permits Divorce, so According to you, the Government is already "Anti-Family". Get it through your ignorant skull.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Anti-family, as in, gay union=marriage, implying that biological parents raising their own children means nothing, that having both a mom and a dad means nothing, implying that natural procreation between life partners is irrelevant. The government does not PROMOTE divorce. But if it adopts your gay dogma, it is devaluing what makes REAL marriage special.
namordecai 2 years ago
Yes, because Straight Marriage is SO Special, which is why People can't go to Las Vegas, and get married in a 5 minute drive-thru wedding, then get that marriage annulled in 22 hours. Marriage is so special that shows like 'Who what;s to marry a Multi-millionare" and "the Bachelor" don't treat marriage as a game show. Marriage is so special that 50% of marriages don't end in divorce. If anything, heteros make a mockery of marriage more then gays do.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
ofelixdacat, so you're saying that SOME people marrying in vegas proves it's not valuable? Then why the hell do you want it so much?
namordecai 2 years ago
My Point is, Many Religious People say Gay Marriage would 'De-Value' marriage, when there are drive-thru wedding chapels in Vegas where you can drive up and be LEGALLY married in 5 minutes. If that doesn't "de-value' marriage, then I don't know what does.
I could care less about how "valuable" marriage is too someone. The simple fact is, Banning gay marriage is a violation of civil rights which is against the constitution, because it is gender discrimination.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago 2
Actually, the California Supreme Court point out that it is NOT gender discrimination, first of all. Second of all, Nevada's marriage laws are garbage. I am against those also. Just because they have a crappy law, doesn't mean it's OK to pass MORE crappy laws. Also, obviously you don't care how valuable marriage is. You care about youself, not society or children. That's how liberals are.
namordecai 2 years ago
The Supreme Court is Not always right. Please explain to me HOW it is NOT gender Discrimination? What do Marriage laws say about hermaphrodites? what gender are they considered to be, and Who are they allowed to marry? What about a man who is married to a women, yet then decides to get a legal sex change, but he and his wife still choose to be married. because you who, this scenario HAS happened. What does the law say about them? Banning gay marriage is flawed. it's gender discrimination.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
So you think you're smarter than a panel of former lawyers who proved to be the best of the best at interpretting and understanding the law and insist it IS gender discrimination? You do know that this is only about a definition and not about gender. Man+woman in a union=marriage. That is not discrimination against men or women. It is a DELINIATION of what a marriage entails.
namordecai 2 years ago
There you go. Man + Woman, Not Man + hermaphrodite, or Man + Trans Gendered Person. This law puts a label on gender, and forces people, who don't have a specific gender, to pick one. The the universal Definition of MARRIAGE: The union of two people, to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life. Nowhere does it say MAN & WOMAN. The Supreme Court is Changing a Definition, not keeping it the same. It's gender Bias. No matter what you think, bias is discrimination.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
not to mention discriminatory, going against the idea that government is there to protect the minority, and allowing religion to take a foothold in goverment which is extremely dangerous and intolerable as you have the right to follow any religion you choose yet this law would force one religion's opinion on everyone in that state.
i am totally with you ofelixdacat, but talking to these people is like talking to a recording!!!! grrr gd luck!
Ravagad 2 years ago 6
You're right, I can't change peoples views but I can prove them wrong.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
they've been proven wrong again and again and anyone with an objective mind can see that law is unconstitutional and unjust. however, i think every time they are proven wrong the neutral people, mostly straight people who are non-religious and are unaffected by the change in law, are spurred in to taking sides and they're taking the side that fights for freedom more often than taking the side that fights for discrimination.
i think the next step for the uk is actually calling it marriage here
Ravagad 2 years ago 2
can't wait for the UK to legalize it, It's going to happen, no matter who tries to stop it.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
oh its legal with exactly the same rights and responsibilities as a straight marriage. the only problem is its not called marriage. its called a civil partnership.
its segregation and its very annoying grrr
Ravagad 2 years ago
How about Companies in the UK which ONLY offer specific benefits to people who are MARRIED. Would they still be required to offer the SAME benefits to people who are only in Civil Partnerships?
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
yes i'm pretty sure they do, actually i think i remember a company being because they didn't want to give gay couples the same benefits they gave hetro couples. i'm pretty sure the company got a beating :-)
Ravagad 2 years ago
SEGREGATION??? ROFL Yeah, dude, a different name means you're segregated. My parents segregated me from all my siblings. Oh, the humanity!! The injustice!!
namordecai 2 years ago
its like when black people had to use a different water fountain. they looked exactly the same (mostly) and produced the same quality of water. so what was the problem there?
if people where fighting to give different names to black and white marriages and biracial marriages etc they'd be called racists and told to shut up wouldn't they?
Ravagad 2 years ago
Rav, actually, gay people could be compared to Black people, if Black people had a biological urge to use a different water fountain. See, the thing is, a gay union IS different. Calling it by the same name will not make it the same or equal. Are you TRYING to say that the civil rights movement was about a race of people with a phobia of the front of the bus, demanding that the gov't call the back, "the front," so they wouldn't feel so segregated?
namordecai 2 years ago
There you go again, CIVIL RIGHTS has NOTHING to do with Race, gender, or sexual orientation, it's about EVERYONE getting the same rights regardless of these things. Even people with "behavior problems" have the same rights as everyone else. There's no law banning Kleptomaniacs from sitting at the front of a bus, or banning pyromaniacs from voting, There shouldnt be one banning gays from Marriage. Just people people have "behavior problems", that doesn't constitute them having less rights.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago 2
People with behavior problems don't have a law on the books changing the word "problems" to "excellence." There's a reason for that.
namordecai 2 years ago
And as I said, too bad your you, Homosexuality is NOT listed as a "Behavior Problem" according to the APA (American Psychiatric Association). Unlike you, the APA knows what they are talking about.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago 2
Also, this post is so dumb, we are all dumber for having read it. People with "behavior problems," DO typically have fewer rights. For example, they often go to prison. They are CERTAINLY not REWARDED for their behavioral problems, as you are attempting to reward gay people equally for their inferior unions.
namordecai 2 years ago
AGAIN! Your argument is irrelevant because this has NOTHING to do with Children. ANYONE can have children and raise children, you don't need to be married. By what you are saying, we should ban single parenting, Adoption, & Foster care because that would mean children wouldn't be raised by both their biological parents. You say just because Divorce is legal, it doesn't mean the govt. promotes it. Well, just because gay marriage is legal, that doesn't mean the govt. would promote that either.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
Did I mention you're an idiot?
namordecai 2 years ago
Did I mention that Only Idiots resort to insults and name calling just because they can't justify their argument? Idiots also don't make sense and contradict themselves. Yep, sounds like you alright.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago 2
If a gay guy talks effeminate, he can't hide it. You think a Black guy can't hide his being black? Then who is Micheal Jackson?
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siscotree 3 years ago
Doesn't the constitution exist to protect the minority from the majority? So why would anyone change the constitution to take away rights from the majority just because the majority of people are unintelligent? Prop 8 supporters can only be cruel, ignorant, or unintelligent.
Havenfall 3 years ago
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So, I am cruel, ignorant, and unintelligent? I have based my arguments against homosexuality on pure and simple logic. I can't help it if some of the world desires the night of self-induced blindness over the pure light of truth and reason.But tell me, should we not ALL fight for the right to propose what we believe is right and,if possible, see it put into action? Isn't that what it's all about? Would you silence me? Kill me even, to put forth your own views? Surely not friend, surely not.
lanceyoulot 3 years ago
You based it on poor logic, that falls in the unintelligent category, yes.
I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who said the majority should never vote for the rights of the minority. Nobody is asking you to be quiet, and kill you?
Lol, it's so silly that you would even say that.
No you have the same right to free speech, but you don't have the right to take another's rights away.
Now, let's actually try to have an intelligent thought here.
Havenfall 3 years ago 3
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Do you realize what you are saying? Poor logic?In order to establish whether or not something should be allowed it must be confirmed as to whether it is right or wrong.After this has been established, it must be put into practice.That is what this is about when all is said and done, not the violation of rights friend. You should rest a little more easy. Be proud that here in America, we have the power to make decisions based on what we see as right and wrong.
lanceyoulot 3 years ago
I haven't heard, in reading your comments, or any comments, the slightest hint of proper reasoning for it to be considered "wrong".
I believe teaching children they will burn in hell f they don't believe in an imaginary friend is amoral and very wrong. Yet, I'm not trying to take away your rights to live your life as you see fit.
Ignorant americans, the kind who are ruining the reputation of the country, voted to limit the rights of another set of people. That is unconstitutional, and immoral.
Havenfall 3 years ago 4
what logic is that? you can't use "logic" and "bible" in the same sentence. so explain yourself.
lacruciverbiste 2 years ago 2
A magnificent performance, and a heartfelt sentiment. Many of us who worked in the fights against Prop. 8 and Amendment 2 were struck a hard blow last November, but we must remember that time is on our side and the fight is far from over.
Thank you for sharing.
MatthiasFarland 3 years ago
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lanceyoulot 3 years ago
You don't get to vote on my rights. It doesn't work that way. The day that I can vote on whether or not I get to keep you as a slave, that's the day you get to vote on whether or not I can get married. Until then, it's my choice, not yours.
TheCeejPlus 3 years ago
I cannot believe that California could approve such a proposition. Its like in the state took one step forward and 30 years back.
Bingle99 3 years ago 3
I wish I lived on that rooftop.
I'm lesbo myself and was quite affected by the whole h8te thing. oh well.... guess I'm moving out of california, then!
Fiddlefeet 3 years ago
You wouldn't want to live on that rooftop if you saw the apartment that went with it. haha.
machelli 3 years ago
hearing this song always makes me cry. Thank you for composing it so beautifully.
Republican4Nader 3 years ago
JUST GET TO THE MUSIC
MomntrySilence 3 years ago
To Matthew: My first general comment was directed at those who have used religion to condemn marriage equality, and also to those who rant against the concept of redefining marriage. This comment is to exclusively thank you for a beautiful and soothing musical rendition.
vinelandoo 3 years ago 2
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YES ON 8 ALL DAY CALIFORNIA DID A GREATT JOB.
I AM A PROUD ASS HOLE GET IT RIGHT GAY IS NOT A CHOICE IT'S WHAT YOUR SICC MIND MAKE YOU THINK THAT and i am tried of people saying they where born gay so you saying god made in perfect people i don't think so.... CONGRADULATIONS ON THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT AND VOTE THE RIGHT WAY WHICH WAS yes on 8 and i mean that.one man and one woman let god plan it.. I KNOW YOU GOING TO LASH OUT ON MY COMMENTS SO WHAT I DON'T CARE
MACCAPONE60 3 years ago
Where do you get off thinking Christianity developed the institution of marriage? Marriage was a human custom long before Christianity or Judaism was ever heard of,& it was totally secular during times of ancient Egypt. Also,marriage has been redefined many times in the past with legalization of divorce,criminalization of marital rape,legalization of interracial marriage,recognition of women's rights to own property in a marriage,& elimination of parent's right to choose the mate.
vinelandoo 3 years ago
Have hope that 48% is fighting back. I'm sending a protest video of Gloria Allred about the legal aspects of prop 8.
IcyNami 3 years ago
machelli I feel for you, it is sad to see that loads of people voted for proposition 8, sad day indeed, it is utter nonsense if you ask me, but as they say, majority has spoken and it is sad that many don't see how important this issue is for nearly 10-15% of Californians. In time perhaps.
As to Obama I can only say, I am glad to see the back f W'ya and I hope Obama turns the US Economy around but also American way of thinking.
simgadraco2005 3 years ago
the only problem is just because the majority voted for something doesn't make it just or moral. that is the same logic that has justified genocide and every other crime against a minority for 1000's of yrs.. justice isn't determined by the majority.. justice is an idea not a vote on a ballot.
victor2cutube 3 years ago 5
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i don't live in california but i sure did approve of prob 8!
NightPhantom878 3 years ago
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Hey Asshole, gays get married everyday in California. They have for many years. Nobody is stopping gays from getting married.
Your going to cry just because the gov't won't approve and give you your dignity? LOL
This video is a perfect example of why you should never be legally married. We let the fags vote, and look at how they thank us. Fuck the faggot community. God Bless Dan White.
JRCKFSH 3 years ago
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By the way, marriage and its rights its a social figure to protect society itself and promote development. Traditional marriages are families that assure human perpetuity because they don't need medical assistance nor other people's help to have children. These are facts, not opinions. I would recommend to gay people, please be more original, stop trying to copy what others do. Be yourselves, do not try to be a heterosexual couple 'cause you're not. Or are we talking just about money???
yonipresa 3 years ago
once again the same old false arguement about procreation. it's fact that marriage aint all about procreation (if soo than there's alot of work to be done to make those lazy coples producing, we can't let it get rusty! oh and if you can't get pregnant than sorry girls but you better give your marriage licence back! it's all about development.) can you see where it sounds ridiculous when you use that card?! all gay people want is the same validation of their loving relationships as anyone else.
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
Well, marriage it's not all about procreation, but it's quite about procreation, so it's not a false argument. It's exactly the argument that you can't accept. If a couple can't get pregnant it's a disgrace and a health problem, not an excuse to call marriage to what is not. Comparing things that are different is not a validation, it's just a desire.
yonipresa 3 years ago
That's pretty funny. Now I want to see you tell straight infertile couples why they can't get married.
Fluffypear 3 years ago
so people who don't want kids shouldn't get married?
SailinganFD 3 years ago
they don wanna be like straight coples!! they just want their love and their families to get the same worthing, at least by the governmant who they pay their taxes to and unther the law's eyes. it's not only a legal or financial issue but it's a social standing here.
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
Sorry, but I don't agree. I don't think we can compare a hetero sexual couple and a homosexual one, because it's not the same. One can have children (on their own I mean) and the other needs external help, amongst other differences that would take too long to tell now. I think that some people are making a mountain out of a grain, just because "they're don't have the same rights", assuming that both things are "the same". I really sympathise with all the gay people but I don't agree. ;-)
yonipresa 3 years ago
Four words, friend:
Straight. Infertile. Married. Couples.
Fluffypear 3 years ago
you're getting corny lately, the sun going down, the American flag... com'on like it's such a big disaster. As long as you can live and be with the person you love, it's not a big deal.
yonipresa 3 years ago
actually i would say he is more like surprising me and getting out of the shell.
there's no shame in reacting and showing your disaproval and disgust of such a unfair and horrible happening. lot's of lives have been limited after this. it would be just as sad as if we would take the legal right for heterosexual coples to get married. then i'm not soo sure they would still say things such as "as long as you can live and be with the person you love, it's not a big deal".
just my point of view ;)
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
It is so sad the US seems to be going backwards. I am so glad I live in Canada, but I will keep fighting for my brothers and sisters to the South. Oh and amazing video.
catdoodle 3 years ago
What a drama queen/ignoramous. You morons have no right to recognition and a title that you haven't earned. You can "marry" all you want, but there is no right to change the language and no right to be recognized by a word based on YOUR minority, radical values/dogma. The gov't should avoid adopting your ridiculous homoromantic dogmas.
namordecai 3 years ago
no way! i'm sorry man but you must be kidding with that comment. dogmatic is the view that religious institutions are deffending... limiting marriage on it's meaning and putting it into such a small box.
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
Here is the homoromantic dogma that is implied by using the same word for homosexual and heterosexual relations: having both mom and dad in home is irrelevant, natural procreation with the person you love is irrelevant, having children is of little importance, having biological parents stay with their children is irrelevant, homosexuality gets the same credit despite heterosexuality creating all of civilization, having urges that compliment one's biology is irrelevant. This is all a gay fantasy.
namordecai 3 years ago
1. wow... if that is your arguement i'm glad to hear. i was expecting to read another passionate beautiful piece of literature from the holy bible. but instead, a worked logical answer!! which made my day. but the thing is i still have to disagree. i just don't see it that simple. i don't see this in a question of who gets the credits or who's better than the other because me as a citizen i see everyones valew in one way or another and we all create all of civilization. humanity is soo diverse.
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
2. i see marriage as a celebration, reinforcement and declaration of one's love and devotion to one another and an open possibility to if their wish found a family (which as you wisely recognized can't be only defined by procreation). and this is a luxury that i believe everyone should have the irrevocable right to join.
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
Yes, you have a right to see marriage however you want. However, claiming it is a right to have the gov't adopt your values above the majority is just self-important delusions of grandeur.
namordecai 3 years ago
oh right... yes of coooourse it is! ok.. i've seen quite a few of your comments now and i finaly realised what i am dealing with. lol just not interested in keeping on with this. no point! you call us dogmatics?! funny how it sounds soo ironic. either way i know that sooner or later this hange will happen and people 20 years from now will look back and say how ridiculous and unfair leaving a majority to decide on a issue of civil rights of a minority. just as happened before! goes in a cicle.
AleksisCosta 3 years ago
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A civil right to have the minority dictate government dogma. Sure. There is no point to debating me with, only because there is no justification for that BS. You're a bunch of self-righteous control freaks who want to turn the U.S. into a homoromantic totalitarian oligarchy.
namordecai 3 years ago
I'm personally torn on the same-sex marriage issue, but this video was still moving to me. I don't live in California, so I wasn't involved in Prop 8, but this video made me think a little bit more which way I would have voted.
corazonrendido 3 years ago
u're gettin' more mature =)
kaizokumaru 3 years ago
That's sad this country is in that kind of subject, I just think this is ridiculous. Rights that people someday won are now taking away??? Seems like this country is going backwards instead of forward. Let's make the prop 9 t against rights black people got and go back to slavery and segregation, prop 10 against rights for women to vote and work, prop 11 against rights children have, props against any other rights 'd make this country a civilized, smart and tolerant one.
mayo70125 3 years ago
Simply Wonderful!
Kajstura 3 years ago
beautiful. :)
sillypenguinwaddle 3 years ago
awesome video : )
PaperStory 3 years ago
What a beautiful thing to do. Seriously. You're an impressive man. Well done.
hiseminencegris 3 years ago
ok, I am impressed (not an easy task). Now, what is next?
I just subscribed to your channel. Damn you're good! Sorry, could not think of anything more controlled and civilized to say...
LexZender5773 3 years ago
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The supreme court shouldn't make decissions for us, everything should be voted on by the citizens that will be effected by the outcome. California has voted on more then 1 occasion against gay marriage, so that's how it should be.
JahlilahPYT 3 years ago
The rule of the masses isn't always justice. It's not about what YOU want, it's about what's right. It's about discrimination and people's rights; if Californians discriminate when they vote, then they shouldn't be permitted to.
bluemukaki 3 years ago 4
Please go back and review your civics......
Our government is based on the executive, legislative and JUDICAL branches so that there is balance of power, checks and balances, etc. Voters are not always the most educated or informed when they go to the voting booth.
Please inform yourself..........
billiescissorhands 3 years ago 2
I feel for you, the worlds a stupid place, happiness is apparently 'not natural'.
Superb Music.
:)
CrashBangAdam 3 years ago
Stunning video - stunning music !
NoEscapeFromReality 3 years ago
This argument is very anti-democratic. You can't just invent rights for a group of people and then say they have been violated. It must be approved by the people. And in California they voted against this legal definition. And they voted against them earlier and they voted before that against them. The will of the people is a peaceful way of resolving issues. Don't make it violent. Because violence yields violence.
jeffmonc 3 years ago