家暴條例修訂特輯 - 基督宗教的多元立場

[xgteenterritory]

耶穌的救恩是美好的，現在的教會卻是利用聖經的道來滿足私慾的虛­偽團體。

[beancube2008]

Life is more important than church and religion.

[binssing]

陳日君不敢正眼望人，蘇穎智又係面目可憎，偽民主癲狗為攞票借主­行兇扮野幫同志同志，又以〔契弟〕一詞侮辱同志露出狗腳，而家的­係乜宗教人士

[hkrepublican]

For those idoits who are still ignorance to the Family Ordinance. Please review this document before you speak again, your foolish comment displays the "level" of your Intelligence. 2008 年12 月8 日的立法會福利事務委員會CB(2)341/08-09(03)­號文件(《家庭暴力條例》(第189 章)的修訂建議) ，第2 點.

[mooncake88]

基督徒團體建議改名為家庭及同居親侣暴力條例，然後把猶如婚姻關­係刪掉，不是兩全其美嗎？為何同性戀團體偏不接受，還意圖魚目混­珠，斷章取義。主流基督教派反對同性戀行為(罪)，但不歧視同性­戀人士(罪人)。我們都是罪人。同性戀團體只是不能包容基督教反­對同性戀行為的立場，四圍揾基督徒出氣。

[zeroxtech]

自於"猶如婚姻的關係"呢回事, 跟本唔應同家暴條例混為一談, 如果你地覺得咁樣係有矛盾, 你地可以要求政府解釋, 同性同居會唔會被視為"猶如婚姻的關係", 而唔係反對家暴條例

其實矛盾係你地自己製造出0黎0既

[hkrepublican]

I pity your ignorance in hk law, this law was 1st established with its objectives & causes to protect the married couples & relationship as if married couple & extended to other blood related relatives, and not just anyone under the same roof. This is why it is under the Family ordinance! It's very obvious that 2 gay men doesn't make a family, since HK do not recognize any kind of domestic partnership other than the one btw a man & a woman.

[zeroxtech]

回應hkrepublican

This very case happened in Europe. If I recall correctly, it was in Holland.

首先, 請你證明佢地係因為防止虐畜條例通過而爭取人獸交合法化兩者之間­係有因果關係先

如果事實唔係咁樣, 你0既言論就係為防止虐畜條例加上莫需有罪名

第二, 假設兩件事係有因果關係, 你址係咪應該修改0左防止虐畜條例先呢? 你地仲唔去做野?

你唔驚香港遲D越0黎越多人獸交, 神會降災比我地?

[hkrepublican]

Your concept is very misleading and illogical. The animial-human sex law passed because gay marriage law passed, and we are going toward the same direction if we pass domestic violence law under the family ordinance.

[hkrepublican]

大部份香港人仍然認同「核心家庭」才是理想的家庭組合(69.4 %) 事實上，聯合國所訂定的世界人權宣言第16 條，亦強調家庭是社會的自然及基本單元，所以社會以至國家都有保 護家庭的責任，這一定義又後來為大部分國家簽署的多哈聲明﹝Do­ha Declaration ﹞所肯定。

[hkrepublican]

回應zeroxtech

若把「同性同居關係」納入第189 章第2 條(2)，則這會表示法例認為「同性同居關係」是具「猶如婚姻的 關係」，這才是爭議的所在。就政府修例的原先方案而言，這其實是 會與其所聲稱「不承認同性婚姻、公民伙伴關係或任何同性關係」的­立場自相矛盾的。

[zeroxtech]

回應 skyrainbow 1314

又或者你可以提出客觀理據, 去支持你0既說法, 話家庭一定係一夫一妻

你只係盲目咁接收教會灌輸比你0既一切, 然後不經思巧咁套0係所有人身上

或者問問所有基督徒, 你地0既宗教0既一切道德標準, 例如禁止婚前性行為等等, 你地係咪都能夠堅守?

如果自己都唔能夠堅守教條, 你地有咩資格以你地宗教0既價值觀套0係別人身上?

[hkrepublican]

Marriage is only between a man and a woman, this is not only what Christianity believes, it is also the law, and 69.4% majority of Hong Kong people believe nuclear family is their choice of living.

[bananian]

so the other 31.6% of the population must live like the 69.4% population? 

Talk about suppressing the minority.

You fail.

[hkrepublican]

Apparently you have never conducted any researches before, 69.4% choose to live in a nuclear family environment doesn't mean the rest of the 31.6% all supports against the nuclear family environment. Christianity are minority too, are u not oppressing the minority in return? Your misleading concept can only go so far & it will back fired.

[zeroxtech]

回應 skyrainbow1314

香港已有防止虐畜條例咁多年, 請問有冇人意圖令人獸交合法化?

家庭0既定義唔係由你0黎介意, 邊個話家庭0既定義一定係一夫一妻?

假設有一對夫婦收養0左一個孩子, 咁呢個孩子係咪永遠都唔算係呢個家庭0既一份子?

[hkrepublican]

回應zeroxtech

If 防止虐畜條例 was to be amended under 家暴條例, then 一定有人會意圖令人獸交合法化! This very case happened in Europe. If I recall correctly, it was in Holland.

[hkrepublican]

I don't recall any religion that doesn't have moral code of conducts. Pastor's role is to lead ppls to good. When there is an bad spot in an apple, we try to safe it by cleansing it instead of tossing it to the fire.

[cfhk]

宗教最終目的只係導人向善

信者自然自知得救

而唔係企圖將自己教義支配社會,支配世界

所以呢d基督徒先似個人

姓蘇o個條友,叫佢仆街啦!

[hkrepublican]

若把「同性同居關係」納入第189 章第2 條(2)，則這會表示法例認為「同性同居關係」是具「猶如婚姻的 關係」，這才是爭議的所在。就政府修例的原先方案而言，這其實是 會與其所聲稱「不承認同性婚姻、公民伙伴關係或任何同性關係」的­ 立場自相矛盾的。

[hahamrchou]

清醒的基督徒，讚！

[youotouoboeo1]

香港的情況不清楚, 內地的家暴多數都是女人折磨男人

[dickyip1976]

簡單d講,牧師只係人,人係唔可以批判任何人既,耶穌基督講講,­基督徒要做既唔係批判,而係將愛,將耶穌基督既說話傳揚,令人們­可以明白咩係基督既愛,從而令人信主,只要係人,就唔應該受到暴­力,呢一點就夠啦,人係唔會分咩人架啦,蘇穎智呢d只以為自己係­求世主,其實佢已經冇資格做牧師啦~

[hkrepublican]

You forgot who is the violent group here.. the GAY. They are playing both side of the game with a 2 headed coin. They beat the hell out of each other at home and now seeking for help. We pity them and extended our warmful hands to care for these so called "victims", yet they turn around and destory our family values. There are more than one way to mandate the law, the ignorance thinks there is only 1.

[kelfy]

it seems your mind is going back to medieval era.

[skyrainbow1314]

先生,你有冇諗清楚條例成立後,同性戀會點牙?一旦佢地受到保護­，便會從其他方面想令到同性戀合法化。家庭係一夫一妻制.佢地刀­叫政府另建一條法例.人地都5講出黎,5代表你有權批評人,以上­係我既意見,請你謹謓考慮

[estyt]

同性戀已經在多年前合法化了。

[joedetoronto]

Thank goodness for some common sense. Thanks a lot! Makes me feel there's hope out there.

[ltkhk]

基督徒學會好野！

[jagbox]

Yes, let us show love to those who do not think the same as us but focus on preaching the gospel.

Leave politics to the politicians.

[TAITAUMUIMUI]

好！咁先係基督徒吖，蘇頴智算乜春嘢呀？

[joekkl]

I am a Christian and I think she make sense.

[jimcarreye]

講得好！所有事應以人為本！唔通非基督徒就死你唔會去救？

[terrywong494]

我覺得呢段片好有參考價值

認識到蘇穎智之流亦不受理性基督徒支持

[pokkaaaaaa]

Good Point!!!