--- Car Registration in Illinois from 78$ goes to 99$ ... I paid it 2 days ago. Real Estate tax in my village , went up 35% ...
They are trying to tax us to death sales tax went up ...
15 $ per hour , 40 hrs. a week equals to 600 $ , That is nice, When you take all the taxes , 600 $ becomes , 395 $ .... Now 800 military bases , WHY should I pay for security of Saudi Arabia , WE are paying for 800 military bases outside this country , IMAGINE how much money they swallow.
The so called illegals can't pay taxes when they aren't even legal so this argument is ilogical to begin with. If the argument is that they don't wanna pay taxes, then why not just legalize them and find out? Uh, I bet that isn't even the issue, I bet it's more a racial issue than anything else. Good job by Peter Schiff of trying to educate this mis-informed man, but since he has his bias well instilled inside him, he wouldn't change his tune. Too bad.
great presentation, up until... the illegal immigration question/speil. Far too libertarianish of an answer. Read the chapter on the issue in Glenn Beck's "Arguing With Idtiots". Just the facts.
That's a GOOD thing. Fuck that xenophobe republican shit. It makes for bad economics and is the main reason we are in the mess we are in today.
Glenn Beck is no libertarian, he's a corporate shill no better than his counterpart Olbermann. Hell, they could be brothers and should stick to their sports casting.
Schiff at one point said "Illegals are doing jobs that otherwise would not be done," which is simply false. e.g. janitors in CA used to be paid 12 dollars an hour, but they all pretty much lost their jobs when their employers exploited the illegal labor by lowering wages to less than 4 dollars.
All I'm saying is Schiff should sharpen up his arguments on this particular issue.
How did you miss what he said? The job is ONLY WORTH $4/hour. If people don't want to do it at that wage than so be it, trying to prop up the wage is just plain socialism.
The job is not worth (actually it is) $3.35 an hour. Normal americans cannot live on that. Illegals often live in squalid conditions. Law inforcement conducting raids on their living quarters often encounter "moving walls" - the phenomenon of flipping a light switch and seeing thousands of bugs scurry all over the wall, creating the illusion that it is moving.
@subuey The minimum wage hasn't been 3.35 an hour since I was in high school in the 80's. My first job was at a supermarket earning 3.35/hr and I had to pay union dues (to making minimum wage).
They do it because they can, that is obvious. But an illegal wouldn't have so much over a legal if it weren't for all the regulations, rules and taxes surrounding employment. We need to get rid of a great deal of the regulations and taxes and restore the 20% tariff across the board. We can make our country competitive again.
That isn't true. The only reason the illegal alien can work for 4 an hour is because they don't pay any taxes. The equivalent wage for an American to have 4/hr in spending power after taxes is to earn over 7/hr.
Peter, maybe you should ask Martin Memorial Hospital in Florida how business is, their cost for illegal patients in 2007 was $100 million. Testimony in Congress is on You Tube. Wonder who pays for that?
How is it that in Texas they video counted over 1,200 children coming across the Mexican border to go to school. GEE, wonder who pays for THAT?
Illegial aliens have to pay their taxes too. The first thing Immigration Authorities do before granting a visa, green card or citizenship to anyone is to ask about your 1040s. If you didn't pay taxes on your illegal income you will never get any US visa, let alone become a citizenship. All these children of immigrants who hate immigrants should learn more about immigration laws more and watch Fox News less.
You won't get logic from these xenophobes. They think mexicans are flooding the boarder to collect social security... and then steal our jobs. Now if isn't a paradox, I don't know what is.
I know we want free market but the taxpayer pays.Look at the stats on the taxpayer cost of illegal immigrants. Education, hospitals, look at all the births & that new citizen is entitled to all those govt. programs. Many do pay taxes, with stolen SS.
It becomes a slippery slope with many businesses employing people that have no recourse. I'm not for a slave class.
If you think it's good for business just look at California.
It is illegal, it's the truth, let's talk about it.
so what? they're not on government dogh, they don't have social secruity nor medicaid, and they contribute their labor service at below market value. US is lucky to have those illigal aliens to subsidize their living standards.
they use roads built on taxpayers money, they are protected by police that is payed with taxpayers money, they can get free ER treatment and so on. they are thieves. and again they are ILLEGAL and schiff is supposed to be a constitutionalist...
Look, the roads were a long term investment paid by your ancestors. Yes, illegal aliens do cause wear and tear of the roads, but I really think they're negligible! As for police protection, since they're illegal, they can never contact the police even when they're robbed, so I don't know how much protection is there! As for ER, how many u know as a %wise have been to the ER? Since they're illegal, they'll never go to the ER in their own will, so the cost they imposed is negligible as well.
You need to understand that the so called "THIEVES" are brought to you by the govn't. Think about it, if there were no minimum wage law, would any businessman hire a non-english speaking illegal alien over a legal US citizen at the same wage rate? Illegal aliens would be almost impossible to survive on their own without all these govn't interventions that act as their protection from free market forces! How ironic is that?
Well, since you hate them so much, then you definitely should eliminate the cause of their existence. And that is the govn't. Volunteer for Peter Schiff and he'll eliminate the problem for ya.
Woo, I wouldn't bet on that! That guy made millions of dollars by making the right economic forcast for the past 10yrs. He's smart and he knows what he's doing, and he only entered the race cuz he believes he has a chance of winning. So, I'd take his words and advices very seriously.
I agree that he answered in the right way. However calling someone a xenophobe and bigot for expecting the police and immigration authorities to do the job they are there for and paid for - following and enforcing the law concerning illegal aliens in front of their nose. To me it seemed a matter of concern for the rule of law not necessarily being a bigot. Jumping to conclusions is never healthy and nobody is ever safe from criticism.
That would be where the largest # of illegals come from, just plain facts,doesn't have a thing to do with xenophobia, which means a fear of strangers. I've never met anyone against illegal immigration that thought if you were White, it was okay. Silly rhetoric for those that don't have a leg to stand.
@dimaniak... "he avoids direct answers he finds excuses"
Are you joking? Peter Schiff? He is one of the most honest and direct answerers I think I've ever heard. You're going to have to back up that statement with some substance. I have yet to see him duck a question.
You say he's a socialist and avoids direct answers. Yet when you're asked to show where he says anything socialistic or where he avoids giving a direct answer you.... avoid giving a direct answer.
We all know he mightn't win. He isn't going to tailor his answers just to win the primary. He just speaks the truth as he sees it.
Look at the hundreds of billions spent on war on terror. Bin laden is still out there. All the money spent on war on drugs, prostitutions, illegal aliens. They're still out there. The govn't can't solve those problems. They're inefficient. Only the free market can solve those problems at minimum cost.
No, they are just people doing exactly what you would do if you were in their shoes. If you lived in poverty and there were no jobs where you lived, wouldn't you do anything you could to provide for your family? At least they are working for money. Much better than some of the LEGAL people in this country who just collect entitlements from the government and don't contribute anything.
Well on an economics basis, you are more of a socialist than me because you want the government to SPEND money on it.
On a political basis, you are more of a socialist than me because you want BIGGER government. I want less laws and restrictions so that employers won't have incentive to higher an illegal over a US citizen.
That's the irony about you statist, you're more socialist than anyone else.
That's what I thought, you are a xenophobe and don't actually care to understand if the economics of what you say even make sense.
You are just scapegoating the immigrants while the bankers run away with all the money. All the while you are statist through-and-through.
Just keep wanking off to fake tits(your uploads). Trust me, once you actually fuck the real thing, you won't give a fuck about immigrants (that's coming from someone who has fucked several girls with natural DDs).
"You're starting to come off as a 12-year old that really doesn't understand what the terminology means." Excuse me, but it is you who doesn't understand terminology. You don't understand individualism, you don't understand capitalism, you don't understand private property, you don't respect laws you are just dumb lazy socialist liberal thieve pretending to be libertarian. Anyone who supports Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff should be against ANYTHING illegal.
it's the free fucking market you dumb ass. That's how the free market works, you pick the cheapest labor with the highest quality, deal with it you fucking moron. If you can't compete in the free market, tough fucking luck.
No it's a fucking tax paying society and no illegals should be allowed there until they pay taxes! Anyone who doesn't pay taxes while working in US is a THIEVE!!!!
So fucking what, someone doesn't have a bullshit greencard. So if the guy gets a green card it will somehow change everything and our economy will improve over night?!
Tourists spend their money here and have to pay higher VAT and sales tax than americans. Google it. Also they pay for medical insurance when they visit country. illegals can get ER treatment for free.
Tourists do pay taxes. They pay sales tax on hotel stay, some pay toll boths, hire taxi drivers, etc. This is the only reason Florida doesn't charge state income tax.
All Peter is saying is that illegal aliens are not the caused of the problems. The govn't is. If the govn't never imposed so much burdens on US enterpreneurs to drive up their costs, illegal aliens would probably never have existed.
--- Car Registration in Illinois from 78$ goes to 99$ ... I paid it 2 days ago. Real Estate tax in my village , went up 35% ...
They are trying to tax us to death sales tax went up ...
15 $ per hour , 40 hrs. a week equals to 600 $ , That is nice, When you take all the taxes , 600 $ becomes , 395 $ .... Now 800 military bases , WHY should I pay for security of Saudi Arabia , WE are paying for 800 military bases outside this country , IMAGINE how much money they swallow.
aviomaster 2 years ago 2
The so called illegals can't pay taxes when they aren't even legal so this argument is ilogical to begin with. If the argument is that they don't wanna pay taxes, then why not just legalize them and find out? Uh, I bet that isn't even the issue, I bet it's more a racial issue than anything else. Good job by Peter Schiff of trying to educate this mis-informed man, but since he has his bias well instilled inside him, he wouldn't change his tune. Too bad.
elnik32 2 years ago
his conclusion is gold
stater68 2 years ago
great presentation, up until... the illegal immigration question/speil. Far too libertarianish of an answer. Read the chapter on the issue in Glenn Beck's "Arguing With Idtiots". Just the facts.
subuey 2 years ago
@subuey
That's a GOOD thing. Fuck that xenophobe republican shit. It makes for bad economics and is the main reason we are in the mess we are in today.
Glenn Beck is no libertarian, he's a corporate shill no better than his counterpart Olbermann. Hell, they could be brothers and should stick to their sports casting.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
Schiff at one point said "Illegals are doing jobs that otherwise would not be done," which is simply false. e.g. janitors in CA used to be paid 12 dollars an hour, but they all pretty much lost their jobs when their employers exploited the illegal labor by lowering wages to less than 4 dollars.
All I'm saying is Schiff should sharpen up his arguments on this particular issue.
subuey 2 years ago
@subuey,
How did you miss what he said? The job is ONLY WORTH $4/hour. If people don't want to do it at that wage than so be it, trying to prop up the wage is just plain socialism.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
socialism = theft
tax evasion = theft
dimaniak 2 years ago
The job is not worth (actually it is) $3.35 an hour. Normal americans cannot live on that. Illegals often live in squalid conditions. Law inforcement conducting raids on their living quarters often encounter "moving walls" - the phenomenon of flipping a light switch and seeing thousands of bugs scurry all over the wall, creating the illusion that it is moving.
subuey 2 years ago
@subuey
Well bigot, the way you refer to them as subhuman just because they don't have a piece of paper, you must be proud of yourself.
Either way "normal" Americans better learn to live on that amount real quick. Don't have much choice now, do they?
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
What the hell is with you and that self hating illegal dimaniak? Did some Mexican get your shitty janitor job?!
I can guarantee if you had a college education and decent job, you wouldn't care about some guy, who can't even speak English, jumping the boarder.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
@subuey The minimum wage hasn't been 3.35 an hour since I was in high school in the 80's. My first job was at a supermarket earning 3.35/hr and I had to pay union dues (to making minimum wage).
christo930 2 years ago
that's the point. businesses hire illegals so they don't have to pay minimum wage. What are the illegals going to do, inform the authorities??
subuey 2 years ago
They do it because they can, that is obvious. But an illegal wouldn't have so much over a legal if it weren't for all the regulations, rules and taxes surrounding employment. We need to get rid of a great deal of the regulations and taxes and restore the 20% tariff across the board. We can make our country competitive again.
christo930 2 years ago 2
That isn't true. The only reason the illegal alien can work for 4 an hour is because they don't pay any taxes. The equivalent wage for an American to have 4/hr in spending power after taxes is to earn over 7/hr.
christo930 2 years ago
Peter, maybe you should ask Martin Memorial Hospital in Florida how business is, their cost for illegal patients in 2007 was $100 million. Testimony in Congress is on You Tube. Wonder who pays for that?
How is it that in Texas they video counted over 1,200 children coming across the Mexican border to go to school. GEE, wonder who pays for THAT?
CentrlFlagrl 2 years ago
None of that shit is payed through income taxes. Most of that shit is paid upfront or with user fee taxes, nice try though.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
Illegial aliens have to pay their taxes too. The first thing Immigration Authorities do before granting a visa, green card or citizenship to anyone is to ask about your 1040s. If you didn't pay taxes on your illegal income you will never get any US visa, let alone become a citizenship. All these children of immigrants who hate immigrants should learn more about immigration laws more and watch Fox News less.
bart12121314 2 years ago
You won't get logic from these xenophobes. They think mexicans are flooding the boarder to collect social security... and then steal our jobs. Now if isn't a paradox, I don't know what is.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
What's up with just leaving like that?
superdiza 2 years ago
he is shy
dimaniak 2 years ago
I know we want free market but the taxpayer pays.Look at the stats on the taxpayer cost of illegal immigrants. Education, hospitals, look at all the births & that new citizen is entitled to all those govt. programs. Many do pay taxes, with stolen SS.
It becomes a slippery slope with many businesses employing people that have no recourse. I'm not for a slave class.
If you think it's good for business just look at California.
It is illegal, it's the truth, let's talk about it.
CentrlFlagrl 2 years ago
Easy workaround, give them all visas and let them pay their taxes. Problem solved.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
YES!!! That's only solution to this problem. ALL IMMIGRANTS SHOULD PAY TAXES!!!
dimaniak 2 years ago
illegal immigrants are still illegal, peter.
dimaniak 2 years ago
@dimaniak oh god you again. please go read a real economics book.
bajoverga 2 years ago
but they contribute to the economy, so what does it matter?
yjfoo81 2 years ago
they don't pay taxes
dimaniak 2 years ago
so what? they're not on government dogh, they don't have social secruity nor medicaid, and they contribute their labor service at below market value. US is lucky to have those illigal aliens to subsidize their living standards.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
they use roads built on taxpayers money, they are protected by police that is payed with taxpayers money, they can get free ER treatment and so on. they are thieves. and again they are ILLEGAL and schiff is supposed to be a constitutionalist...
dimaniak 2 years ago
Look, the roads were a long term investment paid by your ancestors. Yes, illegal aliens do cause wear and tear of the roads, but I really think they're negligible! As for police protection, since they're illegal, they can never contact the police even when they're robbed, so I don't know how much protection is there! As for ER, how many u know as a %wise have been to the ER? Since they're illegal, they'll never go to the ER in their own will, so the cost they imposed is negligible as well.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
It doesn't matter how small exact numbers it's a THEFT!!!
dimaniak 2 years ago
You need to understand that the so called "THIEVES" are brought to you by the govn't. Think about it, if there were no minimum wage law, would any businessman hire a non-english speaking illegal alien over a legal US citizen at the same wage rate? Illegal aliens would be almost impossible to survive on their own without all these govn't interventions that act as their protection from free market forces! How ironic is that?
yjfoo81 2 years ago
"You need to understand that the so called "THIEVES" are brought to you by the govn't." It doesn't matter. They are ILLEGAL and they are THIEVES.
dimaniak 2 years ago
Well, since you hate them so much, then you definitely should eliminate the cause of their existence. And that is the govn't. Volunteer for Peter Schiff and he'll eliminate the problem for ya.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
He won't win primaries with such poor answers. he comes off as socialist.
dimaniak 2 years ago
Name me one thing socialistic that he has said?
yjfoo81 2 years ago
he avoids direct answers he finds excuses just like liberals. any CT republican will have such feeling not just me. i doubt he will win.
dimaniak 2 years ago
Woo, I wouldn't bet on that! That guy made millions of dollars by making the right economic forcast for the past 10yrs. He's smart and he knows what he's doing, and he only entered the race cuz he believes he has a chance of winning. So, I'd take his words and advices very seriously.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
@dimaniak he made no excuse you fucking xenophobe, he answered. He slapped that bigot down with some straight economic logic.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
I agree that he answered in the right way. However calling someone a xenophobe and bigot for expecting the police and immigration authorities to do the job they are there for and paid for - following and enforcing the law concerning illegal aliens in front of their nose. To me it seemed a matter of concern for the rule of law not necessarily being a bigot. Jumping to conclusions is never healthy and nobody is ever safe from criticism.
grumpone 2 years ago
xenophobe??? i'm not even white. dumb fuck, you know nothing about individualism and capitalism.
dimaniak 2 years ago
xenophobes don't come in colors.
CentrlFlagrl 2 years ago
In US mostly whites complain about illegal immigrants from latin america. I don't have problem with LEGAL immigrants of any race/culture/religion.
dimaniak 2 years ago
That would be where the largest # of illegals come from, just plain facts,doesn't have a thing to do with xenophobia, which means a fear of strangers. I've never met anyone against illegal immigration that thought if you were White, it was okay. Silly rhetoric for those that don't have a leg to stand.
CentrlFlagrl 2 years ago
@dimaniak... "he avoids direct answers he finds excuses"
Are you joking? Peter Schiff? He is one of the most honest and direct answerers I think I've ever heard. You're going to have to back up that statement with some substance. I have yet to see him duck a question.
KeanOOO 2 years ago 2
he won't win primaries with such answers
dimaniak 2 years ago
You say he's a socialist and avoids direct answers. Yet when you're asked to show where he says anything socialistic or where he avoids giving a direct answer you.... avoid giving a direct answer.
We all know he mightn't win. He isn't going to tailor his answers just to win the primary. He just speaks the truth as he sees it.
KeanOOO 2 years ago 2
"you.... avoid giving a direct answer." his answer to illegal immigrants rant. He comes off as a socialist. And i'm not running for US senate.
dimaniak 2 years ago
Look at the hundreds of billions spent on war on terror. Bin laden is still out there. All the money spent on war on drugs, prostitutions, illegal aliens. They're still out there. The govn't can't solve those problems. They're inefficient. Only the free market can solve those problems at minimum cost.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
If Schiff can repeal minimum wage law, then the free market forces will drive those illegal aliens back to where they came from.
yjfoo81 2 years ago 2
No, they are just people doing exactly what you would do if you were in their shoes. If you lived in poverty and there were no jobs where you lived, wouldn't you do anything you could to provide for your family? At least they are working for money. Much better than some of the LEGAL people in this country who just collect entitlements from the government and don't contribute anything.
sirchilly 2 years ago
@dimaniak is does matter. Will you spend trillions just to save a few million?!?!
It's economics, the reality is that they DON'T drain as much as you'd like to think they do. Get over it.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
"Will you spend trillions just to save a few million?!?!" You are socialist.
"It's economics, the reality is that they DON'T drain as much as you'd like to think they do. Get over it." You are thieve
dimaniak 2 years ago
Well on an economics basis, you are more of a socialist than me because you want the government to SPEND money on it.
On a political basis, you are more of a socialist than me because you want BIGGER government. I want less laws and restrictions so that employers won't have incentive to higher an illegal over a US citizen.
That's the irony about you statist, you're more socialist than anyone else.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
not necessarily. Government just should allow citizens to kill illegal immigrants then nobody will have to spend extra money.
dimaniak 2 years ago
That's what I thought, you are a xenophobe and don't actually care to understand if the economics of what you say even make sense.
You are just scapegoating the immigrants while the bankers run away with all the money. All the while you are statist through-and-through.
Just keep wanking off to fake tits(your uploads). Trust me, once you actually fuck the real thing, you won't give a fuck about immigrants (that's coming from someone who has fucked several girls with natural DDs).
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
again i'm not white.
dimaniak 2 years ago
What the fuck difference does it make?! What does being a xenophobe have anything to do with your ethnic background?
You're starting to come off as a 12-year old that really doesn't understand what the terminology means.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
"You're starting to come off as a 12-year old that really doesn't understand what the terminology means." Excuse me, but it is you who doesn't understand terminology. You don't understand individualism, you don't understand capitalism, you don't understand private property, you don't respect laws you are just dumb lazy socialist liberal thieve pretending to be libertarian. Anyone who supports Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff should be against ANYTHING illegal.
dimaniak 2 years ago
it's the free fucking market you dumb ass. That's how the free market works, you pick the cheapest labor with the highest quality, deal with it you fucking moron. If you can't compete in the free market, tough fucking luck.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
@savemyplaylist
Its a country, not a polyglot boarding house.
RobTzu 2 years ago
@RobTzu,
Look at Singapore's success or even America's success in the past. They let anyone in and through unrestrained free markets came success.
But hey, you dumb xenophobes just don't want to learn. I can't talk any sense to someone who failed history.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
No it's a fucking tax paying society and no illegals should be allowed there until they pay taxes! Anyone who doesn't pay taxes while working in US is a THIEVE!!!!
dimaniak 2 years ago
@dimaniak
So fucking what, someone doesn't have a bullshit greencard. So if the guy gets a green card it will somehow change everything and our economy will improve over night?!
Jesus you people are so fucking fickle.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
THEY MUST PAY TAXES!!! Otherwise it's a theft
dimaniak 2 years ago
@dimaniak how can they do that if they don't have visas? Give them all visas.
I'm glad you finally learned the word "theft," but your grammar is still fucked. What are you, a self hating illegal?
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
" how can they do that if they don't have visas? Give them all visas" Only if they will pay taxes as everyone else.
dimaniak 2 years ago
They pay VAT and sales tax. Your arguments are stupid. Tourists don't pay taxes, yet they are allowed to tear the roads...
safaridonna1 2 years ago
Are u stupid or something? I'm saying IA aren't the problem. The govn't is.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
My comment was a response to dimaniak, not you...Maybe you ment to respond to someone else?
safaridonna1 2 years ago
Tourists spend their money here and have to pay higher VAT and sales tax than americans. Google it. Also they pay for medical insurance when they visit country. illegals can get ER treatment for free.
dimaniak 2 years ago
Tourists do pay taxes. They pay sales tax on hotel stay, some pay toll boths, hire taxi drivers, etc. This is the only reason Florida doesn't charge state income tax.
residentzombie 2 years ago
All Peter is saying is that illegal aliens are not the caused of the problems. The govn't is. If the govn't never imposed so much burdens on US enterpreneurs to drive up their costs, illegal aliens would probably never have existed.
yjfoo81 2 years ago
roads are paid for with gasoline taxes, income tax pays very little of what the government spends.
sirchilly 2 years ago 3