@Craigmw45 What is it that you would like to talk about?
Brian Thomas is one of two main writers for ICR. While he includes "M.S." in his name, he does not list the field his master's degree is in. However, it appears that Thomas' main duties at ICR is to devolop formal responses to news items, especially those which address evolutionary biology, paleontology, geology and cosmology.
Rarely does Thomas address the actual science report. Instead he focuses on popular news items.
@lawilson200 How about the finger vs thumb relationship in terms of lenght. Short fingers in relation to a long thumb, is indicative of precision gripping. Yet the strong flexor apparatus indicates 'she' still retained an ability to climb trees.
Even more interesting is that we found pelvic and leg bones, which (clearly) show that 'she' was much more efficient walking upright then even 'lucy' was.
Don't think you can ask more transitional features tbh.
@Craigmw45 As a general rule, I never rely on articles posted on creationist websites. Its much like trying to read the news by reading only Newsmax or Fox News. Instead, I always go directly to the articles that is being critiques. In this case you should read Kivell et al, Science 333 pg 1411-1417 (2011), since this is the actual paper. A team compares morphology of the bones found, with bones of other specimens and modern humans. Thomas picked out a few key words to spin on.
@lawilson200 I don't have an sub to Science so it's not an article I can access easily. But I do find it interesting, based on my reading, that A. sediba has all the features you could possibly want in a transitional fossil. But the only response from creationist is "well she could climb trees LALALALALA" It would be comical, if it weren't so sad.
@Craigmw45 I have a copy. The paper documents on the rarity for hand bones belonging to the various hominds to be preserved and on the unique opportunity to study the hand found in South Africa. Much of the paper involved describing the various bones and comparing these bones with known Hominds and the development of tools. While the report notes that no tools were found in the SA cave, there are areas where tools were found and dated to the same period.
PS I found Kivall's article available for free through Google Scholar. Here is the link:
w w w (dot) eva (dot) mpg (dot) de/evolution/pdf/Kivell_et_al_2011.pdf.
It is always a good thing to condut a search on Google Scholar when looking for peer review publications.
Remember when you read something on AiG or ICR's website, always look for the source material first. Creationist groups are ultimately political think tanks and like PTTs they people assign to spin.
@Meathead36 "If the evolutionist doesn't know, the evolutionist has not even began to research his or her side of the argument"
WTF is an evolutionist? Are there gravatitionists?
But to be honest there are a lot of BIOLOGISTS who don't know what the creationists arguments are about Lucy, or the Cambrian explosion are. Because to be frank, its all make believe strawman arguments. Like Lucy was "just an ape" A biologist would say.. humans are also "just apes" what's your point?
@iwalkjesuswaymommy7 Then why are you choosing to ignore God's nature. By chosing to ingore nature, because you think the text is supprior, not only are not only lying in God's name, you are also commiting the sin of idolatry. By mocking science, you are ignoring God's nature, hypocrite.
@lawilson200 Do you agree to this statement: There are far too few fossils that are found that supports evolution than evolution itself is predicted/expected too find? Yes or No?
Evolution is an observed natural process. Nature does not care over whose God you chose to worship. To Love God, to have faith in God and to worship God is a choice, which Christ makes clear. By accepting Christ, it is only the beginning of your journey. The Bible teaches on how to be good stewards. However, Christ regularly exposed hypocrites and liars who claim to know Christ, but have none of the humility a walk in Christ requires.
@lawilson200 why do you not look at my videos and tell me I do not know Yeshua,Jesus, you did not understand my commment. did you read it again. I belive in who made all thing. Yahweh. God. The Father God. I listen to the video. I belive we are made by God. only. . I was lol at how man dose not belive in God.how we are made......
@lawilson200 If you consider yourself a christian you should seriously consider help since you don't seem to believe that God is trinity and that the scriptures are written by the holy spirit.
Evolution is not an observed natural process, give me one example? However micro evolution is valid. Macro has never been observed. What they teach in school are theories; 4 of 5 evidence for evolution I was given in school some 17years ago has been proven wrong today.
I have no idea why creationist say this time and time again. Googles "examples of speciation". And like magic 1000's of examples of macro evolution will show up in front of you.
Perhaps creationists expect everyone to be so willing to deny easily provable facts as they do.
My comment is yet another example of insulting comments aimed at Christians. The guy who made this video cares for his viewers and wants all to be saved. That is why he takes the time and trouble to spend hours of his precious time on the internet, preaching the gospel or disproving evolution. The Bible tells every Christian to tell everyone the good news.
@sally123lilac If you are so brainwashed &/or choose to blindly fallow lying unethical people who will do ANY thin to further their agenda I cannot help you. My comments are directed to people are not so indoctrinated they will still investigate & find the truth not the "Truth" for them selves. It is very telling how when someone asks people to look for them selves they are met with this type of response. "only the darkness of lies need to fear the light of truth" .
Brainwashed? - more insults. It is not a question of indoctrination, but revelation. We all need revelation to understand the Bible. You cannot understand the Bible without it. The Bible itself tells us that the scriptures sound like nonsense to those who are perishing. Our 'agenda' is that others should also receive salvation. There is no other motive.
@sally123lilac Brainwashed is an insult? Sorry did not realize that. Why is it so bad for you people to question anything? All I am asking is for you to go & look for your self. If your god & his scriptures are true then you have nothing to fear.
Berean are not unethical and they do not tell lies. The dark lie you refer to is surely evolution. It suits the purposes of the global elite to promote atheism in the media and education systems of the world and it is you and others like you who blindly follow, never questioning and always accepting the deception.
@sally123lilac Most of the videos on this channel are full of half truths or flat out lies. Don't trust me regarding this claim go & find-out for yourself. That is all I am asking. I do not fear the truth because I am the one who has it on my side. You really need to check you history
."All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -Thomas Paine
@NEGATIONofP I'm Christian, I agree with Thomas Paine. Organized relgion is a farce. That's why Jesus never spoke of it. He was quite clear on the subject.
I agree that institutionalised religion is often hypocritical. The Bible covers this subject very well. Jesus critisism of the Pharisees was an attack on institutionalised religion. The Bible speaks out against it and warns that Jesus will turn away these people, calling them workers of lawlessness and telling them he never knew them.
Only true born again believers those that put their trust in God, are obedient to his word and are steadfast to the end, will be saved. Informed Christians are mostly critical of organised religion and believe many Churches to be apostate.
Please go research the Bible for yourself and test whether it is true. If you don't and you remain a disbeliever to the end of your days, the Bible says that when you stand before God on the final day and realise that you lived your whole life in error and will not inherit eternal life - you will weep and knash your teeth.
@sally123lilac I have & still do. If you would like to discuss the "Truth" of the bible I am happy to debunk ANY of your so-called "evidence". Would you like to start with Biology see: Leviticus:13, 19 Bats are birds? Or, Medicine see: Leviticus 14:2-52 "cure" for lepers? No? How about Astronomy see Judges 5: 31 the Sun goes around the earth? We have not even touched on logic or (god forbid ;-)) ETHICS. Any time friend I am waiting.
I work 70 hours a week and I wish I had the time or the inclination to become embroiled in yet another discussion on You Tube with a unbeliever. Please for your own sake, look at Bible prophecy and how it is unfolding. I have no idea who you are, or where you are from, but on the final day when Jesus comes to judge the earth, I hope and pray you and your family will be saved.
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seekert6 1 month ago
Does anyone actually want to talk about the article? Or the features of the hand?
I'm particularly how ICR can say a long thumb (like humans who have the longest thumb) is indicative of tree swinging. And not tool making?
Or how something they describe as having a "mosaic of features", doesn't look transitional.
Could we have a discussion about the hand? Or have we already drifted too far away?
Craigmw45 1 month ago
@Craigmw45 What is it that you would like to talk about?
Brian Thomas is one of two main writers for ICR. While he includes "M.S." in his name, he does not list the field his master's degree is in. However, it appears that Thomas' main duties at ICR is to devolop formal responses to news items, especially those which address evolutionary biology, paleontology, geology and cosmology.
Rarely does Thomas address the actual science report. Instead he focuses on popular news items.
lawilson200 1 month ago
@lawilson200 How about the finger vs thumb relationship in terms of lenght. Short fingers in relation to a long thumb, is indicative of precision gripping. Yet the strong flexor apparatus indicates 'she' still retained an ability to climb trees.
Even more interesting is that we found pelvic and leg bones, which (clearly) show that 'she' was much more efficient walking upright then even 'lucy' was.
Don't think you can ask more transitional features tbh.
Craigmw45 1 month ago
@Craigmw45 As a general rule, I never rely on articles posted on creationist websites. Its much like trying to read the news by reading only Newsmax or Fox News. Instead, I always go directly to the articles that is being critiques. In this case you should read Kivell et al, Science 333 pg 1411-1417 (2011), since this is the actual paper. A team compares morphology of the bones found, with bones of other specimens and modern humans. Thomas picked out a few key words to spin on.
lawilson200 1 month ago
@lawilson200 I don't have an sub to Science so it's not an article I can access easily. But I do find it interesting, based on my reading, that A. sediba has all the features you could possibly want in a transitional fossil. But the only response from creationist is "well she could climb trees LALALALALA" It would be comical, if it weren't so sad.
Craigmw45 1 month ago
@Craigmw45 I have a copy. The paper documents on the rarity for hand bones belonging to the various hominds to be preserved and on the unique opportunity to study the hand found in South Africa. Much of the paper involved describing the various bones and comparing these bones with known Hominds and the development of tools. While the report notes that no tools were found in the SA cave, there are areas where tools were found and dated to the same period.
lawilson200 1 month ago
@Craigmw45
PS I found Kivall's article available for free through Google Scholar. Here is the link:
w w w (dot) eva (dot) mpg (dot) de/evolution/pdf/Kivell_et_al_2011.pdf.
It is always a good thing to condut a search on Google Scholar when looking for peer review publications.
Remember when you read something on AiG or ICR's website, always look for the source material first. Creationist groups are ultimately political think tanks and like PTTs they people assign to spin.
lawilson200 1 month ago
@lawilson200 Didn't I say you were banned from posting? Stop now please. Your fascination with the word creotard makes you look simple minded.
Meathead36 1 month ago
@Meathead36 ... and a meathead is someone who IS simple minded!
lawilson200 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Meathead36 "If the evolutionist doesn't know, the evolutionist has not even began to research his or her side of the argument"
WTF is an evolutionist? Are there gravatitionists?
But to be honest there are a lot of BIOLOGISTS who don't know what the creationists arguments are about Lucy, or the Cambrian explosion are. Because to be frank, its all make believe strawman arguments. Like Lucy was "just an ape" A biologist would say.. humans are also "just apes" what's your point?
Craigmw45 1 month ago in playlist More videos from BereanBeacon 6
@lawilson200 what are you talking about? I am not dum to lie in my lord name.,
iwalkjesuswaymommy7 1 month ago
@iwalkjesuswaymommy7 Then why are you choosing to ignore God's nature. By chosing to ingore nature, because you think the text is supprior, not only are not only lying in God's name, you are also commiting the sin of idolatry. By mocking science, you are ignoring God's nature, hypocrite.
lawilson200 1 month ago
@lawilson200 Do you agree to this statement: There are far too few fossils that are found that supports evolution than evolution itself is predicted/expected too find? Yes or No?
dannywizz 1 month ago
@dannywizz
Evolution is an observed natural process. Nature does not care over whose God you chose to worship. To Love God, to have faith in God and to worship God is a choice, which Christ makes clear. By accepting Christ, it is only the beginning of your journey. The Bible teaches on how to be good stewards. However, Christ regularly exposed hypocrites and liars who claim to know Christ, but have none of the humility a walk in Christ requires.
lawilson200 1 month ago 2
@lawilson200 why do you not look at my videos and tell me I do not know Yeshua,Jesus, you did not understand my commment. did you read it again. I belive in who made all thing. Yahweh. God. The Father God. I listen to the video. I belive we are made by God. only. . I was lol at how man dose not belive in God.how we are made......
iwalkjesuswaymommy7 1 month ago
@lawilson200 If you consider yourself a christian you should seriously consider help since you don't seem to believe that God is trinity and that the scriptures are written by the holy spirit.
Evolution is not an observed natural process, give me one example? However micro evolution is valid. Macro has never been observed. What they teach in school are theories; 4 of 5 evidence for evolution I was given in school some 17years ago has been proven wrong today.
dannywizz 1 month ago
@dannywizz "Macro has never been observed"
I have no idea why creationist say this time and time again. Googles "examples of speciation". And like magic 1000's of examples of macro evolution will show up in front of you.
Perhaps creationists expect everyone to be so willing to deny easily provable facts as they do.
Craigmw45 1 month ago in playlist More videos from BereanBeacon 4
lol there going to lies to there selfs . no God no . umm well he still there. like it or not , you will stand before him.......
iwalkjesuswaymommy7 1 month ago
sounds like we've found another monkey...:O
fresniak 1 month ago
My comment is yet another example of uneducated brainwashed creationist lying to his viewers. Please go research this for yourselves.
NEGATIONofP 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP
My comment is yet another example of insulting comments aimed at Christians. The guy who made this video cares for his viewers and wants all to be saved. That is why he takes the time and trouble to spend hours of his precious time on the internet, preaching the gospel or disproving evolution. The Bible tells every Christian to tell everyone the good news.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
@sally123lilac If you are so brainwashed &/or choose to blindly fallow lying unethical people who will do ANY thin to further their agenda I cannot help you. My comments are directed to people are not so indoctrinated they will still investigate & find the truth not the "Truth" for them selves. It is very telling how when someone asks people to look for them selves they are met with this type of response. "only the darkness of lies need to fear the light of truth" .
NEGATIONofP 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP
Brainwashed? - more insults. It is not a question of indoctrination, but revelation. We all need revelation to understand the Bible. You cannot understand the Bible without it. The Bible itself tells us that the scriptures sound like nonsense to those who are perishing. Our 'agenda' is that others should also receive salvation. There is no other motive.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
@sally123lilac Brainwashed is an insult? Sorry did not realize that. Why is it so bad for you people to question anything? All I am asking is for you to go & look for your self. If your god & his scriptures are true then you have nothing to fear.
NEGATIONofP 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP
Berean are not unethical and they do not tell lies. The dark lie you refer to is surely evolution. It suits the purposes of the global elite to promote atheism in the media and education systems of the world and it is you and others like you who blindly follow, never questioning and always accepting the deception.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
@sally123lilac Most of the videos on this channel are full of half truths or flat out lies. Don't trust me regarding this claim go & find-out for yourself. That is all I am asking. I do not fear the truth because I am the one who has it on my side. You really need to check you history
."All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -Thomas Paine
NEGATIONofP 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP I'm Christian, I agree with Thomas Paine. Organized relgion is a farce. That's why Jesus never spoke of it. He was quite clear on the subject.
Meathead36 1 month ago
@Meathead36 Great & thanks for the support. I would love to hear your thoughts regarding the "information" provided on this channel.
NEGATIONofP 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP
I agree that institutionalised religion is often hypocritical. The Bible covers this subject very well. Jesus critisism of the Pharisees was an attack on institutionalised religion. The Bible speaks out against it and warns that Jesus will turn away these people, calling them workers of lawlessness and telling them he never knew them.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP
Only true born again believers those that put their trust in God, are obedient to his word and are steadfast to the end, will be saved. Informed Christians are mostly critical of organised religion and believe many Churches to be apostate.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
@NEGATIONofP
Please go research the Bible for yourself and test whether it is true. If you don't and you remain a disbeliever to the end of your days, the Bible says that when you stand before God on the final day and realise that you lived your whole life in error and will not inherit eternal life - you will weep and knash your teeth.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
@sally123lilac I have & still do. If you would like to discuss the "Truth" of the bible I am happy to debunk ANY of your so-called "evidence". Would you like to start with Biology see: Leviticus:13, 19 Bats are birds? Or, Medicine see: Leviticus 14:2-52 "cure" for lepers? No? How about Astronomy see Judges 5: 31 the Sun goes around the earth? We have not even touched on logic or (god forbid ;-)) ETHICS. Any time friend I am waiting.
NEGATIONofP 1 month ago
@sally123lilac AMEN! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
349mikval 1 month ago
@sally123lilac
I work 70 hours a week and I wish I had the time or the inclination to become embroiled in yet another discussion on You Tube with a unbeliever. Please for your own sake, look at Bible prophecy and how it is unfolding. I have no idea who you are, or where you are from, but on the final day when Jesus comes to judge the earth, I hope and pray you and your family will be saved.
sally123lilac 1 month ago
Wow, so many weasel words! Thanks for yet another great video that exposes the foolishness of evolution and its followers!
thechessstick 1 month ago