Climate Camp - BBC News Arthur Scargill interview, 4th August 2008

[4snaggletoothBrits]

Isn't this Prick dead yet?

[Wolfiespeaks]

Fucking tory cunt

[happyuk06]

Scargill and his ilk got their arses kicked to oblivion, so that ordinary decent people could choose to work without the fear of being beaten up by union thugs.

The industries Scargill claims were destroyed by the tories is a lie, they were destroyed by the likes of Arthur Scargill. Go take your complaint up with him (Oh and ask him where the money went).

[Wolfiespeaks]

@happyuk06 Scargill was a stupid pawn. If it wasn't for unions kids would still be sent up chimneys. Thatcher and Tebbit desroyed the fabric of society.

[happyuk06]

@Wolfiespeaks

The revised 1875 Chimney Sweeps Act prevented children going up chimneys, previous legislation being ineffective until sweeps were required to be licensed and the duty of the police to enforce legislation, that until then was largely ignored

[ukipwarrior]

@MrSanchez9aa What would you do with that money spend it on products made by corporations?!! Would there be a singular class then and where would the aspiration be where would the drive to succeed be where would the nice products be?!! Hes a hypocritical chardonnay socialist "Ive got the foremans job now screw the workers" ;-)

[madcapoperator]

If the roof of a pit collapses, those people inside are fucked. If a nuclear power station blows up, EVERYBODY is fucked...

[happyuk06]

@madcapoperator

How many nuclear power plants have literally "blown up"? (clue: zero)

How many died as a result of radiation at Fukushima? (clue: zero, tsunami: 20,000).

Nuclear is not merely as safe as coal or gas or hydro. It’s hugely safer, by several orders of magnitude. That’s hundreds or thousands of times safer. From 1969 to 1999, as many as 20,000 people died in the coal industry, not counting the effects on the general public.

[madcapoperator]

@happyuk06 *cough* chernobyl *cough*

[happyuk06]

@madcapoperator

*cough* it did't blow up *cough*

Funny to see that this nonsense about Chernobyl still endures.

About 50 deaths were directly attributed to radiation fromChernobyl, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers.

[ukipwarrior]

My dream is to have a bigger house than Scargill...oh wait that will never happen hes a champagne socialist.

[happyuk06]

"Close down nuclear power stations"

Still an utter fruitcake! Replace an energy source that is clean, available from countries that don't detest us and delivers stupendous amounts of energy with... coal?

Carbon capture my arse.

[gopconservative78]

What a loony toon....nothing but a proud Communist

[NatDemUK]

It is no wonder that he does not like the Marxist parties like the SWP or any other Marxist with their belief in global warming.

[4333davidb]

Arthur Scargill a true hero. A man of proven integrity second to none and of principles superior to most. Legend.

[Intravenusdimilo]

Or rather the man who destroyed the mining industry and sailed his members down the river for his big ego.

[4333davidb]

@Intravenusdimilo

How can he be the man who destroyed the mining industry when he fought and argued to keep the mines open? The Thatcher government did that. Scargill said it would be far more uneconomical to close them and was proven correct. Ministers lied and lied and sailed the miners down the river.

[Intravenusdimilo]

@4333davidb No, Scargill ensured the coal industries' main customer went elsewhere. He didn't get the fact that there is a market, it was diminishing and needed managed decline. He ensured that couldn't happen.

[4333davidb]

He argued at the time that they could become more profitable with investment.He was aware of the market and used it in his arguments.Thatcher was determined to destroy all our manufacturing,except weapons where there was investment in research and development (kept approx 20% of the market as a result).In the long term it would have been more economical to keep them open as opposed to importing our energy from abroad. For Thatcherists short term profits and hatred of trade unions trumped that.

[Intravenusdimilo]

@4333davidb But he wanted to maintain the same capacity, that's why he was harping on about one out all out. Pits had to close, there was simply not hte need for them, the electricity market was moving to Gas, Europe was pressurising us to move to gas due to acid rain, Scargill was just making a name for himself.

The industry needed managed decline, mothballing for the future, Scargill ensured that there would be a sticky abrupt end because he wasn't realistic.

[4333davidb]

The Thatcher Government made for an abrupt end because they had a union busting agenda.After the downfall of Heaths government in 1974 the Ridley report a calculated plan to take on the Unions was drawn up. After the 1981 succesful strike on Government instructions the NCB chiefs ear marked 95 pits for closure (100,000 jobs).The switch to other energy sources was ideologically motivated.

[4333davidb]

@Intravenusdimilo furthermore putting all those miners out of work was far less economical than keeping them in jobs with subsidies. There was no intention of managed decline which I agree if done correctly and providing other jobs to the miners would have been the way forward.Instead we seen communities devastated. Engineering, railways, electricity and steel production, all interlinked with the coal industry.That was the Governments doing.

[Intravenusdimilo]

@4333davidb You can't keep jobs going just becasue dole costs more. Most people can do other things than mine coal. I know a few lads who trained with the NCB and are now doing very well in the oil industry. Apparantly we stopped kids going up chimneys but it doesn't mean kids have been impoverished ever since.

There woul dhave been managed decline, had the pit closures gone ahead as planned, instead, the industry was dead as soon as the strike took hold for more than a few weeks.

[fodsaks]

I've known for years that the whole 'Green' agenda is simply Marxism by the back door.

You can find clips on here of Green Party meetings, where the chief party members are quoting from the communist manifesto in their speeches.

Even Arthur 'Mr Coal' Scargill is keen to cozy up with them, that ought to be all the proof you need.

[pilkingtonphil]

I think many in the Green movement have come to realise that eco-friendly policies under a strongly capitalist don't work properly. To be honest I think that most people would admit that global warming is actually a lot more dangerous than the commie "boogey-men" that the right often invoke. The fact is that the far-left never really had any oppurtunity to take power in the UK after WW2 but having a red strawman is often easier than dealing with political realities as some here have shown...

[weemagicstane]

Well Done Arthur. Living Legend.

[easylad007]

thank fuck u lost loser. still talking utter shit. cheers for taking us back 2 work after 1 FUCKIN year without a wage. fuckin clown. intergrate that u gobshite

[mstcrow5429]

I wish Mr. Scargill would visit the US. He is the only Western Stalinist that I am aware of, and he was the nemesis of the great Margaret Thatcher. I would love to meet him and find out how he thinks. He seems to be a bit of an autarkist, doesn't he? Strange to see what was an utterly dangerous man has become.

[petetube99]

"Strange to see what was an utterly dangerous man has become".

You should see his opponents; Ian Mcgregor is in an urn and the 'great' Margaret Thatcher stinks of piss and can't remember her own name.

[000DarkNite000]

pleasant, and that makes them dangerous?

Great contribution

[petetube99]

Thanks :)

[deathtotheunions]

Scargill will always be remembered by the general public as a total twat whos fascist thugs fucked up the mining industry and nothing morons like pilkingtonphil or daisy12630 say will change that. Of course if you cared you would by the coal mines yourself but you are more interested in the use of the word fascist. okay now give me pleny of negative thumbs down but remember you achive nothing.

[vulnerabledonkey]

Trade Unionists are fascist now?

lol, I think someone needs to learn a thing or two about politics and sociology in general before he fashions his opinions.

[mstcrow5429]

The policy of using unions to control and dominate their respective sectors of the economy is classical fascism. Now, my knowledge of the actual events are limited, at this point in time, but I do know that the goal of Mr. Scargill was to overthrow Her Majesty's elected government, and replace it with a socialist dictatorship, run by the NUM. Fascist, well, it's edged into that direction, but fascism blends so well with its collectivist siblings, it's really hard to peel apart the Hard Left.

[pilkingtonphil]

I think Scargill's immediate - ie realistic - goal was to try and get Thatcher's government to back down from massive pit closures.

While his long-term goal probably was ostensibly to take down the government and replace it with a socialist one

(a) this would probably never have come close to happening

(b) this would still NOT be fascism; as I said before fascist trade unions among other thinkgs CURB wages, socialist unions try to INCREASE wages. Facists control workers socialists promote them

[000DarkNite000]

trade unions were very powerful and furthermore, unelected and unrepresentative.

I don't know whether this is fascism, but it sure as hell isn't democracy

[jman375]

Good news Europe's ski resorts have opened early cos of the early snow,must be something to do with global warming?

[jman375]

Arse.

The story goes ,He started the miners strike with a small house and a big union,and left it with a big house and a small union.

[Daisy12630]

Hey jman, got any more inane homilies?

Scargill is clearly a principled human being. Regurgitating infantile nonsense like you've done tells us more about you than it does about Arthur.

[jman375]

Alex Sales was asked why he wasn't a communist any more. He said "Well,it didn't work out"

When socialism was found out to be nonsense,all the loons piled into the next silliest thing , arthur not any different.

Your comment tells me you haven't got a sense of humor? but it still made me smile :)

inane homilies/// did you look that up?

LOL

[Daisy12630]

Yeah, it's all one big chuckle to a cyber-worldly wise pundit like yourself.

10/10 to all those prepared to get up off their arse and trying to do something to make the world a better place.

[stereodream]

proof that there is no difference between eco-mentalists and communists.

ergh. happy he can speak out, but even more delighted he never achieved anything :)

[pilkingtonphil]

I'd say there's a pretty big difference between "eco-mentalists" and "communists" to be honest with you and I hardly think that an interview with Scargill "proves" otherwise...

And I can't possibly understand how you could say that you're "delighted" he never achieved anything. Have you seen what happened to the areas that experienced pit-closures and layoffs? Heroin addiction, joblessness, social breakdown. "Delighted"? That's disgusting!

[deathtotheunions]

Re Daisy12630. What ever you may say about filth output - the point is the people of this country will never again allow themselves to be dictated to by fascist unions. the worsborough waaanker wanted to overthrow the state and make us all serfs. Which is why Glorious Thatch won three elections with ease.

[pilkingtonphil]

Incoherent twit..... Serfs? What are you on about... did Scargill want to reinstate the feudal system?

And Fascist unions? Fascist unions tend to directly comply with the government structures, they tend to be absolutely integrated into the state... of all the things you can accuse the NMU of being under Scargill it was certainly not this!

Try and learn what words mean before you try to use them... then perhaps you won't come off looking like a fool... I say "perhaps"...

[bluecats]

Scargill is a luddite. He appears to be addicted to coal. Poor fellow.

[Daisy12630]

Troll(aE117) below scours YouTube repetively regurgitating the same garbage about Arthur Scargill. He doesn't even watch/listen to the videos. He's a bit of a bampot really.

[dragonlee90]

He's talking sense. You're not. Scargill is a moron who shares one brain cell with Bob Crowe.

[TroyaE117]

Arthur the Stalinist arguing for a return to coal dependence.

This is the same Arthur that tried to use coal supply to change a government?

Is it?

[Daisy12630]

% UK total CO 2 emissions in % in 2002:

Aircraft transport 25.5% ;Road transport 21%; Rail transport 0.2%; Shipping 0.3%.

Power stations, Coal 18%, Oil 0.4%, Gas 10%.

Industry Oil 2.4%, Domestic Oil 0.2%; Domestic Gas 13%, Industry Gas 9%.

Total 100%.

The figures show that power stations are only one part of the whole.

With Clean Coal Technology and Carbon Capture coal is viable.

Better than nuclear!

[westphalianprinz]

Especially if those coal mines and power plants are publicly owned as Mr. Scargill has always fought for. Carbon capture isn't profitable--that's why it's not being implemented.

[mackemc57]

Aircraft emissions 25.5% of the total??!!

Where did you get that figure from? I thought that power stations were the biggest CO2 emitters, with road transport second, and heating of buildings third?

[StunnedByStupidity]

Boy, the debate has moved on from his day.

Coal is the answer to climate change... oh dear...