i sometimes find myself accidentally double tonguing like, playing a song and then when i get to a part that double tonguing fits, without realizing it.
if you can play this with perfect articulation and double tonguing and make a video and put it on youtube. its called concert etude by alexander Goedicke, i can already play 2/3rds of the song already and i got it 2 weeks ago its pretty hard... i dont think you can do it!!!!!!!!!!1
"Da-ga" is so wrong!! Actually watching this he's really saying "ta ka". The "Da ga" is way too legato and is ok for those kind of passages. I know a guy who learned "da ga" and now he can't do "ta ka". Much better to learn "ta ka" first then when needed to soften the attack you can shift into "da ga". Arban's and even Raphael Mendez taught and used "ta ka", especially Mendez for those crisp spanish passages. Also check Al Hirt on the Green Hornet theme.
Also, (as I ran out of characters on my last post) the "da ga" attack was a way for high school band directors to soften attacks for their competition marches and/or in some legato passages in wind ensemble music.
@Dizzyphan There's a reason he wants you to learn Da Ga. your tongue without the mouthpiece will say da ga but with it is a totally whole new feel to our tongue.
@boricuatrumpet69 Heh...in my 42+ years of playing it's "Ta ka" with or without the mouthpiece, LOL. :) I again refer to my buddy who still can't double tongue well because of the "da ga" from his band director years ago. When he had to play the Green Hornet solo in a drumcorps show he was in a few years ago, he actually "gargled" it instead of double tonguing it properly. Sounded like he was underwater, LOL. Believe it or not the Arban's book IS correct on some things eh? heh.
@Dizzyphan I understand what you are saying.... 42+ years of playing. That's cool. I know guys who played for 60 years and still can't get it right with the double tonguing.
@boricuatrumpet69 Well....I figured it out at age 13, but didn't get it going well till way later when my teacher had me infuse "K", Double and then Triple tonguing withing flexibility excersises. Started out with K's tho. Object was to make the K's sound like T's. Told me to take it slow as I wanted, which I did. I also have a video now of myself on here playing Mendez' "Macarena". Now THERE's a challenge,heh. Mendez lived in Palos Verdes Estates next door to my teacher's 1st wife,.....
@FairyOfFlowers22 Certainly I agree with the style of music. See WRBrass' comment from a year ago. Like I was saying if it's more a "legato" thing the "Da ga" works for that. Fanfares and Spanish/Mexican solos like Mendez did call for the harder "Ta ka" tonguing. I've found through my other buddy that if you learn "Da ga" and ONLY that it's harder to switch gears into "Ta ka" when it's needed. Learn "Ta ka" first then backing off to play "da ga" is easier.
ive been taught to use both. ta ka ta ka for shorter and more seperate articulation, an da ga da ga for more smoother articulation. ive also found that da ga da ga helps with speed more than ta ka ta ka. but thats just me.
@silfner1 Not meaning to be rude but its tu ka, other variants may work but the tu ka gives you the best outcome as you are already going 'tu' when you are single touning, not da du and definately not ti !
@MusicalMuppet Well in the end it's all up to the person's preference. But you should change your tonguing style for different styles of music. i.e. tu for fast stuff like jazz, da/ du for slow music that can't be tongued too hard. And as for double tonging I find that ta ka works best for me, but it may be different for you.
@silfner1 I see where your coming from now, i think aslong as your not changing how you play single just so you can play double is not how to progress. Also, after reading your first comment i tried playing "Ti" and "ti ki" and i cant beleive anyone can play like that, notes tend t owave manily Flat. Cheers man :)
@MusicalMuppet Yeah, I don't really like the ti ki method either. But it is a method so that is why I put it. I'm sure there is someone that likes that method. lol
Da-Ga gives it more sound while Ta-Ka shortens it and makes it more aggresive. most trumpet players like myself cut the notes too short and dont let the notes gets its full value. but yeah. its just the way i was taught. but go on whatever you thinks its best. just an opinion.
that's what i said! i know, i can also do dagadaga easily, but i think it's hard to change from daga to taka, THAT's my problem. i learned it myself wrong (because in the past i had no teacher)!!
it's not wrong lol it's just an easier way of doing double tonguing.. I do it on low notes but i think for the higher notes you should really have to use Taka Taka
da ga can be used for lower register MAYBE but you should use ti ki for high register, ta ka for middle, and tu ku for lower da ga
trumpet3077 5 months ago
@BoccBuck LOL. That's amazing.
anatidaephobica 6 months ago
or you can say FUCKA FUCK FUCKA
BoccBuck 8 months ago
@BoccBuck lmaoooooooo
dorry18 6 months ago
Lol. Don't pratice double-tonguing in a library. Someone next to you might think you're crazy. :)
ParasiteQueen1 1 year ago
@akamiszu he was probably refering to "wind" as like marching band. Like, the actual band is called winds, and drumline is called battery.
iLVincentini 1 year ago
Eureka's marching band is realitivily small but they made it to finals at the state of Illinois marching band competition.
4guyswithlives 1 year ago
i sometimes find myself accidentally double tonguing like, playing a song and then when i get to a part that double tonguing fits, without realizing it.
redKELLYMHRCH 1 year ago
if you can play this with perfect articulation and double tonguing and make a video and put it on youtube. its called concert etude by alexander Goedicke, i can already play 2/3rds of the song already and i got it 2 weeks ago its pretty hard... i dont think you can do it!!!!!!!!!!1
alecplus 1 year ago
Did he just call Trumpet a Woodwind instrument? GG
"Trumpet players and other Woodwnd players might..."
Akamiszu 1 year ago
Is that JD Shaw from phantom regiment? Even tho he plays horn and not trumpet....
euphoniumification 2 years ago
i bought a trumpet and woke her up on Christmas
samajojo1 2 years ago 2
Lol i once knew someone who used kitty for sylables
B0omtown 2 years ago
use TTa-KKa thats importent. his tonging is very very soft. play it as hard as you can. When you play longer its comming automatically softer.
saubrezn 2 years ago
"Da-ga" is so wrong!! Actually watching this he's really saying "ta ka". The "Da ga" is way too legato and is ok for those kind of passages. I know a guy who learned "da ga" and now he can't do "ta ka". Much better to learn "ta ka" first then when needed to soften the attack you can shift into "da ga". Arban's and even Raphael Mendez taught and used "ta ka", especially Mendez for those crisp spanish passages. Also check Al Hirt on the Green Hornet theme.
Dizzyphan 2 years ago 13
Also, (as I ran out of characters on my last post) the "da ga" attack was a way for high school band directors to soften attacks for their competition marches and/or in some legato passages in wind ensemble music.
Dizzyphan 2 years ago
@Dizzyphan There's a reason he wants you to learn Da Ga. your tongue without the mouthpiece will say da ga but with it is a totally whole new feel to our tongue.
boricuatrumpet69 1 year ago
@boricuatrumpet69 Heh...in my 42+ years of playing it's "Ta ka" with or without the mouthpiece, LOL. :) I again refer to my buddy who still can't double tongue well because of the "da ga" from his band director years ago. When he had to play the Green Hornet solo in a drumcorps show he was in a few years ago, he actually "gargled" it instead of double tonguing it properly. Sounded like he was underwater, LOL. Believe it or not the Arban's book IS correct on some things eh? heh.
Dizzyphan 1 year ago
@Dizzyphan I understand what you are saying.... 42+ years of playing. That's cool. I know guys who played for 60 years and still can't get it right with the double tonguing.
boricuatrumpet69 1 year ago
@boricuatrumpet69 Well....I figured it out at age 13, but didn't get it going well till way later when my teacher had me infuse "K", Double and then Triple tonguing withing flexibility excersises. Started out with K's tho. Object was to make the K's sound like T's. Told me to take it slow as I wanted, which I did. I also have a video now of myself on here playing Mendez' "Macarena". Now THERE's a challenge,heh. Mendez lived in Palos Verdes Estates next door to my teacher's 1st wife,.....
Dizzyphan 1 year ago
@boricuatrumpet69 ...who says she observed Mendez doing hours of double tonguing in his garage. That guy was a machine on this. heh.
Dizzyphan 1 year ago
@Dizzyphan It's not a matter of who's wrong or right, it's really based on the person and the style music they're playing. Either works!
FairyOfFlowers22 1 year ago
@FairyOfFlowers22 Certainly I agree with the style of music. See WRBrass' comment from a year ago. Like I was saying if it's more a "legato" thing the "Da ga" works for that. Fanfares and Spanish/Mexican solos like Mendez did call for the harder "Ta ka" tonguing. I've found through my other buddy that if you learn "Da ga" and ONLY that it's harder to switch gears into "Ta ka" when it's needed. Learn "Ta ka" first then backing off to play "da ga" is easier.
Dizzyphan 1 year ago
@Dizzyphan It's not a matter of who's wrong or right, it's really based on the person and the style of music they're playing. Either works!
FairyOfFlowers22 1 year ago
ive been taught to use both. ta ka ta ka for shorter and more seperate articulation, an da ga da ga for more smoother articulation. ive also found that da ga da ga helps with speed more than ta ka ta ka. but thats just me.
WRbrass12 2 years ago
I like using "ta ka ta ka" more than "du gu du gu"
silfner1 2 years ago
its da ga, not du gu.
69charger440sixpack 2 years ago
its da ga, tu ku, du gu, ti ki. What ever works for you and what the music calls for. I personally do tu ku
silfner1 2 years ago
TA KA TA KA
jamalb1993sbcglobal 2 years ago 10
Um, ok.....?
silfner1 2 years ago
@silfner1 Not meaning to be rude but its tu ka, other variants may work but the tu ka gives you the best outcome as you are already going 'tu' when you are single touning, not da du and definately not ti !
MusicalMuppet 1 year ago
@MusicalMuppet Well in the end it's all up to the person's preference. But you should change your tonguing style for different styles of music. i.e. tu for fast stuff like jazz, da/ du for slow music that can't be tongued too hard. And as for double tonging I find that ta ka works best for me, but it may be different for you.
silfner1 1 year ago
@silfner1 I see where your coming from now, i think aslong as your not changing how you play single just so you can play double is not how to progress. Also, after reading your first comment i tried playing "Ti" and "ti ki" and i cant beleive anyone can play like that, notes tend t owave manily Flat. Cheers man :)
MusicalMuppet 1 year ago
@MusicalMuppet Yeah, I don't really like the ti ki method either. But it is a method so that is why I put it. I'm sure there is someone that likes that method. lol
silfner1 1 year ago
dagadaga done much vibration than tkataka ,i rather use dagdaga^ ^
palamunen000 2 years ago
as a flute player ... i have struggled with double tonging, but i find it helpful to say "D-eh, G-eh [gay]"
graham915 2 years ago
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trombonelytrombonist 3 years ago
yes
kidnflorida 3 years ago
all middle aged male trumpet players look the same you look like my teacher too
112233jjooee 3 years ago
So I've tried saying dagadaga, but I just can't get it fast enough. do I need to lighten up my tongue or what????? Help!
please. =)
TATYSAMN 3 years ago
Dude...I was taught..
Ta-Ka-Ta-Ka-Ta..... not
Da-Ga-Da-Ga-Da
but the 2nd one is way easier xD so i used that for now until I can learn takatakata
whatfrog903 3 years ago
Da-Ga gives it more sound while Ta-Ka shortens it and makes it more aggresive. most trumpet players like myself cut the notes too short and dont let the notes gets its full value. but yeah. its just the way i was taught. but go on whatever you thinks its best. just an opinion.
angelkilla245 3 years ago
there are many ways im learnin it with daga and tookoo and taka it kinda just depends on your preference
geoffpeplau 3 years ago
Today, in my trumpet lesson, my teacher told me NOT to say "da-ga-da-ga". He said it must sound "ta-KA-ta-KA", so that the "KA" is stressed.
dagadaga is no problem for me, but i think takataka is more difficult :-(
What would you advise me???
urdanien 3 years ago
lol takaka is more difficult. i can easily do dagadaga. takaka is more crisp and precise.
whatfrog903 3 years ago
that's what i said! i know, i can also do dagadaga easily, but i think it's hard to change from daga to taka, THAT's my problem. i learned it myself wrong (because in the past i had no teacher)!!
urdanien 3 years ago
it's not wrong lol it's just an easier way of doing double tonguing.. I do it on low notes but i think for the higher notes you should really have to use Taka Taka
whatfrog903 3 years ago
you can also do Tagataga its waht i do :D
Halo3rockss 3 years ago
haha, same here, my teacher says to use takataka.
jths5393 3 years ago
Try recording yourself, DAGA sounds different the TAKA, you will probably end up using both...
NoirMusic 3 years ago
That's what I thought the syllables were, thanks for the clarification
baconpatrol1 3 years ago
Did he ever conduct the middle school sonoma county honor band?
DasSneakyGerman 3 years ago
its so hard 4 me to play high notes..
hope u can show how to reach the high notes..
nia225 3 years ago
to play high notes play Chromatic C major scale every day only try and play a semitone higher every day.
JimboJohnsy 3 years ago
That and make sure you pull the trumpet away from you instead of mashing it into your face to hit the higher notes. Believe me, it helps.=P
TATYSAMN 3 years ago
wud u use the same syllable for low brass instruments
datbitch2008 3 years ago
this is going to help me so much thank you!
bodenguy2 3 years ago
How long should it take me to do that
sean2339 3 years ago
that was helpful :]
facesonfire13 3 years ago
I play trumpet and starting to learn guitar. Not bad at trumpet, but I just got braces on. Which sucks since im in high school lol
tyler2484 3 years ago
i play the trumpet but i want to switch and play the guitar or clarinet i really want the guitar though
kayleeduhduh 4 years ago
why don't you practice slurring notes, it'll help you get to a higher range
azulablue 3 years ago
thx i will try doin that.................never really tried alot of stuff thought i was worthless and should quit but im not thx for the advice
kayleeduhduh 3 years ago
TRY PETAL NOTES!!!!!!!!!
they really work!!!!
Datboied09 3 years ago
wow, you look alot like my band director. ironic.
paintballa2448 4 years ago