Reagan and George H. sold arms to Iran to raise money for the Nicaraguan Contras, and in doing so, they both committed treason. Oliver North took the hit.
Alex, many news items are archived, so you need to recheck your facts as you are starting to increase the number of errors in your information. This will lead to less credibility for the cause. Also, is it possible that you are being subverted by one of your researchers?
I don't think its right that u spread fear,I think u know a lot but at the same time u profit off of peoples fear jst like alot of so u say terrorists,I think u understand tones and speech terror tactic as well as the elite.its one thing to inform and another to report heresy and profit off fear
People get bogged down in this nonsense debate about who among the Average Joes belongs to what religion and what that religion means. It's not about YOU, the PROLETARIAT, the PEASANT, believe, it's about what the MASTERS who rule over you believe.
A symbol means different things to different people. Even "Lucifer" or "Satan" can mean different things to different people. To the Master Elite, it means a dark god who rules the material universe and requires blood sacrifice. Whether YOU, Average Joe, believe in *that* Lucifer or Satan, is another matter entirely.
There is no such thing as a Luciferian religion. If anything Capitalism is it but it is still not. Quit putting charged words into ideas. Lucifer is a myth- never was real, never will be real.
@Jeffersonwazright excuse me, luciferianism is a religion and i am myself a luciferian. you also do not necessarily have to belief in the lucifer figure to be a luciferian. im also an atheist. so no, lucifer does not exist but luciferianism does.
@ThreeEyesSeeLies As another atheist I have to just say....cant you just be an atheist? Do you have to make the movement silly and call yourself a luciferianist? Cmon man! Your making us look bad!
@Jeffersonwazright the difference is that i have religion and you dont. im a luciferian, i just believe in deific masks instead of gods. its a whole religion and lifestyle, not a general idea like "atheism." youre not religious or spiritual, but i have religion. thats the difference. its not like a subculture, im a luciferian that happens to not believe in gods. also, atheism isnt a movement. i refuse to be a sheep and follow what i dont believe in.
@Jeffersonwazright im just saying that i cant "just be an atheist" as you say, in the name of a fictitious "atheist movement." i wont change my way of thinking, i wont change my lifestyle, and i wont change my actions over a movement that was totally made up on the spot. yes,there was a spike in atheism recently but that doesnt mean its a movement. and the original point was that there are huge differences in atheism juxtaposed with atheistic luciferianism. im not sure why i need to "grow up"lol
I know. You don't get it because you're a product of this generation that Jones is talking about.
There is no such thing as 'atheism' as it is used. They are talking about a specific god, which is exactly the meaning of the word 'theos'. Notice there is no such thing as 'a-deism'.
I've been saying for years that the "atheist movement" or the rise in atheism came out of educational brainwashing turning people into clueless zombies. Don't you know about control of education? Marx spoke of it.
I didn't mean you specifically.. Everyone in general in prone toward thinking the world is progressing toward a greater end, which anyone can plainly see that it is not. Even atheists have a god but it's a future god.
No. It's really not that complicated.. What we call mysticism which came out of Gnosticism is what brought modern atheism. Sacred geometry etc etc. I personally think the pentagram is symbolic of evolution.
Do you agree with what Jones is saying? Then the rest follows logically. If it's true that they control education, well, what is being taught?
Just don't be surprised if Al Gore starts saying we're moving into a new age. Maybe Oprah will be there. She used to be into that garbage as well.
@knowwaie oh well, it is just that, garbage. if there is a new age, we have people to fight, militias and things, and also we have the anonymous hacktivist group which would organize and shut down the government from the inside out. but i dont think so. i think all of this stuff is slow going and we wont see that age for a while
Not to mention pantheism. The word 'pan' means all natural things. Every empire in history had their state established pantheon of gods. What we call Hinduism isn't even. The word Hindu only means Indian in Arabic. Now ignorant people repeat these words having absolutely no idea what they mean. The "Hindus" were atheists. Atheism is not a new idea, in other words. The fact that the world has convinced you that it is is quite terrifying. Talk about the devil convincing the world he didn't exist.
If that were the case then there would be no such word. Do you kids even bother to think anymore?
This is ridiculous.. Do you even know what language is? The word 'theos' does have a specific meaning. This is deliberate and direct opposition to the specific theos.
For thousands of years people had stood in direct opposition to the Jew's claim of a creator. They were atheists.. But notice that many of them were "deists" (mystics) and there is no such word as a-deism.
@knowwaie i dont understand man, a deist is a person who believes in a creator but one that doesnt intervene. at least, thats the definition. i just dont get the point youre trying to make, all i was trying to say was that i am a luciferian but i dont believe in a literal god. that makes me an atheistic luciferian. if you wanna give me another title because you dont like atheist, be my guest. otherwise your point is pretty vague and unclear.
Exactly, you're just being silly. Luciferian atheism is an oxymoron. You don't care to take the subject seriously. That's obvious. You couldn't understand it. But it's as simple as this. If there is a literal creator then it would logically follow that he would reveal himself, and not only that, but he also created language. All else is just plain retarded, resulting in the person claiming some 'mystical' insight. All deism is mysticism. Which amounts to nothing but one jackass emoting nonsense.
@knowwaie it is not an oxymoron because it doesnt contradict itself. i dont believe in a creator, i believe in magick based on quantum physics and some faith, plus a lot of personal experiences. i believe god does not exist, but if you feel otherwise thats cool too. we all follow our own path. what is your point? just plain and simple, one or two sentences, what are you trying to prove?
Insightful.. It's been said by philosophers decades ago that it was possible to make an atheist believe in the supernatural while still disbelieving in god.. People thought that i was impossible but it's exactly what's happening. It's fascinating. You are exactly what they were talking about.
Poor Alex has no idea that what he calls the 'awakening' is actually the opposite. That's why we all need a good sense of humor about this lunacy. It's a sick world that makes better comedy than horror.
@knowwaie ugh....are you going to quit speaking in figurativve language and just answer the damn question? as long as your point doesnt make sense, you cant expect to convince anyone of it. i could speak to one of my peers, talking to them about why i dont believe in abortion, but use metaphors and large words and i still couldnt get my point across. i dont believe in the supernatural because thats just a term for science intended for the use of morons that dont have a better explanation.
Alex I love your shows infowars & Prison Planet so nice to be awake. Yes your the tip of the spear but my quiver is full of your arrows and now I'm Robin in the hood God bless you and family Ron Paul 2012
With the advent of the new law to declare America as the battleground, and the past Patriot act it is obvious that tactics used in Nazi Germany are being deployed here in America. The existance of FEMA detention camps with rail lines to them and gas lines hooked to buildings is evidence that a plan is being enacted to capture, imprison and kill Americans. The worldwide hatred of the American people and it's government will make many see these deaths as divine justice.
Now is the time to act to stop this planned genocide of much of the American citizenry. As an American citizen I advocate the elimination of the FEMA camps now. By whatever means necessary these death camps need to be nuetralized. Americans are the new Jews of Nazi Germany and the time for action is now.
callers on call-in shows are used to make audiences think whatever the producer wants. sometimes they just wanna show that they think the audience is stupid, so they have all idiot callers. sometimes they want us to think some cops are ok, like today on a.j. whatever. just be aware, cuz alex is telling the truth about the government wanting to take your rights n enslave you. n that isn't an overstatement. it's getting bad, n the cops n army is gonna make it worse b4 its all through. amerika...
@jeffsbored13 yeah one thing that sets alex apart is that, most people who watch him, I meen really watching. normally agree with him, they see whats going on and when they call in they are trying to share that they know and are trying to help and i think thats great.
@queenstixxzz you can't be serious. at best, i would say maybe one in ten has an iq over 110. ok, riddle me this. our very country is at stake, and so far, he's pretty much the top-dog of 'alternative media'. not even going into his rumored jesuit & jewish connections, or the fact of who his attorney is/was. just the fact that his actions make him such an easy target should throw up a red-flag. ask yourself how come he never calls 4 any action. not talking violence, but anything would be good.
@queenstixxzz one more thing. i'm not even saying he's a bad guy. but he does paint a big target on all of us with his antics, and the callers are just icing on the cake. i'm glad someone is getting the word out, and i really don't care who it is. i just think at the least, he's gonna be used, maybe not even with his knowledge. when the doo hits the fan, the controlled media is gonna use him as an example of how idiotic we all are, n make us look bad to those on the fence. just my opinion...
why does alex think that he can get away with fake ass phone calls? i think almost all call in shows, whether they know it or not, are using a psy-op tactic with the callers. not many normal people would stay on hold forever just to talk on the radio. alex has been busted with fake calls before, and im pretty sure i just heard one. im glad he's getting the info out, but i think he's a shill, used to get our names on the list, and to control dissent. if true, that makes him a traitor, like obama.
Alex man, "even if you're an atheist??" ESPECIALLY as an atheist, I'm concerned about world leaders doing mock rituals. As if I became apathetic in my conversion. Nah man, my primary concern is humanity and the main threat seems to be divinity.
For all ppl that love Ron Paul and freedom plz type jbauer364@gmail.com in fb and add me and lets protests outside of a bilderberg member house for ron paul life and lets protests outside of fox news sense they left him out of stuff. For those who cant protests u could join a group of ppl that i know that r going to expose the candidates by using youtube and facebook.then after hes in office lets protest worldwide to educate ppl about groups that want a nwo and about falseflags.
Seriously? People need to realize that it's Alex Jones job to come up with all these crazy conspiracy theories to make money. You know what conspiracy theories? They are stories that have not been proven to be true or have been proven to be false. The fact is the majority of conspiracy theories are made up. Since all of Alex Jones stories are like this, its silly to assume any of them are true specially when there is profit behind it.
@Outrjs They already have their way bud, its been a slow process but now its happening quick, and those who serve darkness are already in the thrones of power, just waiting for the right time to strike. Matthew 24:9-"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL NATIONS for My name's sake. And THEN shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another." Look at the comments below, it's only gonna get worse from here.
David Icke is one that is trying to get you away from God and believe that you are God and that aliens should be worshipped. I studied him for him a long time and he is a Luciferian himself.
-cont.- because athiests (in general) are loathe to even consider that we'll have to answer to a higher power for the wrongs we commit, even though all science points to intelligent design. It's great that you've concerned yourself with evil, but there would be no evil without unquestionable goodness. And Jesus' death is no violation, it's what happened. Someone bails you out of jail they'll tell ya how much they spent to do so, wouldn't they?
@dutchweeks1 Well I think your view gives you distance from most christians. I don't loathe to consider answering to a higher power, why even go as far as to think you'll have to answer to something divine when you can just have deep empathy and be a law abiding citizen. To me, evil is defined by a human consensus. For instance, if you said your god demanded genocide, to you unquestionable, but humanity would say no. I think most theists use god to project a good they already know.
@dutchweeks1 My knowledge of what's right and wrong comes from empathy. Being able to feel for someone else. I despise this idea that everything would be chaos if we didn't have some guidelines written down. Even monkeys don't slaughter each other. Empathy comes with being a social species. So if you denounce nothing the bible says, you believe god was right in legislating slavery? Homosexuality an abomination? Do you have no inner conflict with the atrocious things in that book?
@TrazMatik I didnt say it came from something written down, in fact I dont think it does. It comes from a knowledge that we are all born with, my question is why are we born with such empathy? Here comes the controversy; yes, I believe that homosexuality is wrong and a slight against GOD and nature. As for slavery, it was far different in Biblical times than the trans atlantic slave trade, people were slaves as a result of debt more than anything, legislation was necessary.
@dutchweeks1 The jews were RUNNING FROM slavery, yet it was ok for God to legislate, not only slavery, but the beating of slaves??? We are born with empathy to assist in our group survival. You can credit God and I'll credit evolution, but I have just got you to admit that we don't need it written down. Thus, why need the bible? Why be good for the name sake?
@TrazMatik The Jews were enslaved for more than the 7 years legislated by GOD to be enslaved, and they were supposed to receive payment at the end of their tenure, which they almost did not. I freely admit that I don't need it written down, but most people do because we, as humans are incredibly susceptible to doing terrible things. look at history (even things done in GOD's name). The Bible, just like the law of the land, puts it in black and white for us though, so that we have a reference.
@TrazMatik As for my views on homosexuals, I know I'll catch alot of heat for that, and thats okay, but I will explain my stand. Yes, sex is fun, and I'm in no way innocent of sex for pleasure. But The Bible clearly states that sex is only for procreation, and there is a reason for that. Look at todays society, how often do we see horrendous acts (not homosexuals) performed for sexual pleasure? It corrupts us if we allow it to.
@TrazMatik If not for sex in the name of pleasure how many wrongs would have never happened? That's why I am against homosexuality, because it takes it's root in lust and goes against what GOD or (barring His existence) nature intended for us. Ya'all can hate me if ya like, I don't hate gays nor judge individuals, I am just morally against the practice.
@dutchweeks1 Well, I agree, it is lustful and purposeless; it nullifies nature's gift of procreation, but it occurs in many species of the animal kingdom. Though we may not agree with it, it gives us no right to trample their rights nor be as cruel as to say it's an abomination.
@TrazMatik And I don't. I am a huge believer in live and let live. Who am I to say what anybody but myself can or can't do? And the word abomination translates to mean that it is disgusting. Furthermore, it states that it is an abomination to GOD, not man. But I will not deny that I find the act (not the individual) disgusting. I wouldn't deny a gay person anything that I'd give a straight one though (including rights), it isn't morally right, and it's not my place.
@dutchweeks1 See, that moral of "who am I to say?" is so very human. But when you adopt the belief in a god, you create a space in your mind that acts as an overriding authority. So if you somehow believed that God told you to kill gays, you would be submissive. But the thing is, you know he's not gonna tell you that, you know he won't tell you anything, because you, inside, know he doesn't exist. You merely project your own morality into something external, and worse, outdated.
@TrazMatik You're right, it is very human, and yet it doesnt show up anywhere else in the animal kingdom, proving that we are something else. Yes, if I believed that GOD told me to do ANYTHING, I would do it. He is an overriding authority, because He created me, and everything and everyone else. But you're wrong to say that I know He doesnt exist, it's actually quite the contrary, we both know He does. There is no other explanation for the universe or the human mind if not, logically speaking.
@TrazMatik My knowledge that He wont send me to kill gays has to do with the fact that I am not to judge, and that He is merciful. If I were to end the life of any person, no matter what the reasoning behind it, I would be denying them the chance to fulfill their purpose in life, and that is not my place. There is such a thing as righteous anger, and it does condone death, but I believe that it is only to be used in reaction to the unforgivable sin (which is very difficult to commit).
@dutchweeks1 Just because we don't have an explanation for the universe doesn't mean you can just plug in your god, what about others?. Humans are something else, but it's vain to think it's divine. If I assume there is a designer, to be an external authority contradicts the very design of free will. For hell to be default for someone who exercised this will and disbelieved is not merciful. Your righteous anger statement seemed to contradict your "love those who do evil" statement
@TrazMatik I never said humans were divine, just that we are something separate from everything else and given knowledge nothing else has from birth for a reason. And I already all but said that all "gods" are based on the Creator. We are given free will because without it there would be no purpose to life, our purpose is to serve GOD and help others, thats it. To turn away from the one that created you is wrong, but its your choice.
@TrazMatik And all hell is is the absence of GOD and what He provides. It was not created with humans in mind, but if you choose to serve yourself (or any other than He) then it's the only place to go after death. Heaven is for those who serve Him, not for those who don't.
@dutchweeks1 Oh and and there's the suggestion that I am hellbound. for a god to make that judgement on something so asinine as name sake is ridiculous. Its such a human idea of entitlement. I think there might be an energetic experience after death. If you're mind's healthy; pleasant. If not; sufferable. I don't know but at least it's not a completely abstract idea or some VIP club. Christians just love to feel heavenly, I call it the golden ticket mentality.
@dutchweeks1 Ultimately, I think if I take your words metaphorically, I could imagine it scientifically. But to literally think I have declare and credit human goodness and the creation of the universe to a three letter word or the name of christ to get into some blissful afterlife makes me laugh. If I am as good, if not better than a christian, shouldn't I deserve a blissful afterlife that reflects that? Your god is so personified with status, it just kills our sense of equality.
@dutchweeks1 Also, why only two choices? heaven and hell? the universe provides so much more possibility. I'd have to say, the universe as I know it in my mortal life seems more miraculous than heaven and hell combined! Can you tell me what heaven is without selfish desire? Would you want to spend eternity in anything? The joy of life lies in contrast and it's temporary nature. Can't we achieve paradise for humanity rather than promise something beyond the line of what we know?
@TrazMatik How is this so hard to understand? Ill make it clear: 1.) I dont think that it matters what you call GOD, just that you acknowledge His existence and serve His will. 2.) I didnt say you were hellbound, and you brought up my beliefs on the matter. 3.)yes, I can describe Heaven unselfishly, it's where GOD has created a paradise for those who chose Him over all. 4.) Hell is the absence of GOD, not a place, a state of being.
@TrazMatik You seek to attack my beliefs and the only place we differ is that I acknowledge the existence and supremacy of GOD (whatever you may call Him), and that I believe what the Bible says, including Heaven and hell. I dont condemn your beliefs, in fact I think you have most of it right, but is not thinking yourself the supreme being just as arrogant as those who say their belief is the only one thats right?how did all this get here if not for a Creator? Be open minded and your eyes follow
@dutchweeks1 I don't place myself supreme, I've said equality and humanity should be priority. Just trying to understand and being concerned with fellow men. I don't pretend to know everything and know whats right, there's just some atrocious things to be accounted for with religion, so I'm questioning the root cause with logic. No one knows how this got here. Creator? maybe. But it would be impossible to personify it with authority, jealousy, wrath, servitude, or status.
@TrazMatik My statement then was unfair, and I apologize, but those who deny the existence of a Creator are saying that they (humans) are the supreme being. And I agree that horrible things have been done in the name of religion, which is why I am not religious. Religion is an invention of man and so it is flawed, I serve no religion. But, I do pay homage to the Creator, because He deserves it, He made me. I truly respect you though for admitting that you dont know for sure, nor do I.
@dutchweeks1 1)Well if you feel it doesn't matter what I call God then you're not the typical christian. and if you don't care what I call him how can you assert it's existence? 2) Tru dat 3) "for those who CHOSE him" shows the selfish act of choice 4)A state of being cannot exist without a place. -I think faith just prevents people from scientific knowledge. And I think Science can explain SOME of the metaphors and symbols in religion
@TrazMatik Haha, I am an extremely atypical ( and often shunned) Christian, bud. It's no more selfish for Him to require us to bow to him than it is for your parents to be offended if you were to call somebody else mom or dad. And as for hell, Im saying its no place in particular. In fact, I believe it's everywhere but where GOD is. Science is what lead me to my faith in the first place bud, if you take away limitations and acknowledge the primitive mindset, science proves the Bible.
@dutchweeks1 One last thing. If their is something that created the universe, what created that? why should we consider it seperate from the universe? Isn't the universe grand enough? You really seperate yourself from christainity when you say "all gods" are "based" on the creator. so why not drop the translations of it and provide a secular argument? U basically admit the idea is unoriginal and somehow find it justified to build upon one of the younger ideas of it.
@TrazMatik The universe is finite, it has a beginning and an end. It's infuriating to imagine eternity, but it's there whether we like it or not, so logically speaking there was something before and there will be something after. Scientifically, in this universe, nothing just happens, it all has a cause.Something created the universe, and by all rights it must have been intelligent, because there is intelligence, not a coincidence.
@TrazMatik I give no secular argument because secular, by definition, is anything but GOD. And yes, the idea is unoriginal. All original ideas of GOD are, again, by definition, wrong, because theyre made up to suit the originator. I have no young ideas of it, my ideas are the first, but they recognize what has been done to those ideas and acknowledge bits and pieces of the first beliefs in most religions.
@dutchweeks1 wait who could god MAKE the universe and then you claim that secular is not of god. Secular evidence is everything we can observe how is that NOT God?? Why would he provide it all and denounce it as part of him? you're twisted man, even in your own mind
@TrazMatik you misunderstand, secular is any idea denying GOD. It leaves GOD out of the equation at all. I believe that the universe and everything in it is part of Him, which is why I can't leave Him out of it.
@dutchweeks1 Well this goes into the secular argument of intelligent design and I don't think the dogma of any religion deserves to claim it as their own
@dutchweeks1 I know you "follow christ" but doesn't christ follow god? Wasn't god there before christ? no one documented christ during his life, which is strange if he's so important. There have been known forgeries of documents in the development of christianity. Paganism even influenced the move of his birthday to meet the winter solstice. If you really believe in an original creator, shouldn't you dig deeper in the past? research homie. truth is truth, there is no name sake
@TrazMatik again, you prove my point. Christ was sent to reveal truth where others had placed religion. And I have done the research, and did it with an open mind, and came to see that what is written in the Bible is the closest we'll come to the truth before death. which brings me back to my original point in all this: details dont matter, we're all born knowing whats right and whats wrong, it's our choice to deny the wrong and embrace the right.
@dutchweeks1 I think your idea of truth is twisted. how can a story of a man, who can symbolically be made out to translate from astrology, but was not documented during his alleged time, left no evidence, and the book you learn of him, translated over and over be anything close to the truth??? Reality is around you, not in any single book. Why would we even need christ to reveal the truth, a creator should reveal itself in much more evident ways.
@TrazMatik If we had rock hard evidence, there would be no need for faith. Faith is what He asks of us. You're right, reality is all around us, and not contained in its entirety in any one book, but the Bible clarifies alot. Christ was and is needed because man decided to ignore truth and serve self, He is our last chance and payment of debt.
@dutchweeks1 How does science prove the bible? Don't you know the controversy of dinosaur fossils? if you take the bible literally, a lot of it can't be true. If you take it symbolically, then there's no sense in using science. Christians have constantly translated it to adapt it to our learning world, thus you have apologetics. when it comes to trying to preserve any limited language, it's easy to translate it to many things.
@TrazMatik Yeah, Im not of the opinion that the earth is 12,000 years old, if thats what youre asking. Take creation, Genesis; if you dont put any limitation on how long a "day" is then thats exactly how the beginning was (from a primitive understanding of it). Furthermore, Biblical prophesy is unlike any other in that it is not self-fulfilling, and yet most of it has already happened, what hasn't is well on it's way. I take it neither symbolically nor literally, but primitively.
@dutchweeks1 Secular means seperate from religion, not god. in other words, I'd be asking for evidence outside of the bible or any such text. I think it takes evidence outside of the self reinforcing system that is religious text to reach a conclusion on intelligent design
@dutchweeks1 How can you say you're not religious, that religion is a creation of man, but then claim the bible clarifies and take on that load of BS about Christ paying your debt? You're an innocent child until that story injects guilt into your mind. And don't say the creator was showing love, that's a human emotion. If Jesus was real, I don't think he died for our sins, I think he died by the sins of man at that time. The dude was murdered as a blasphemer in eyes of the empire.
@TrazMatik The Bible is not a religion, it is a teaching, a transfer of knowledge and wisdom. Religion is a word meant to cut people down for not doing things in one dead set fashion. I believe that were here to serve Him, but in our own way (within a set of guidelines). Basically, in the beginning, GOD made man, and he disobeyed, so then He made a bunch of em to see what theyd do. If we all served Him the same exact way, I think it'd be incredibly boring.
@TrazMatik It's like a kindergarten teacher, if she told the class to draw a flower and they all drew the same one the same way, there would be nothing interesting about it at all (except that a bunch of kids seemed to have the exact same artistic skills and ideas...which would just be creepy, lol)
@dutchweeks1 I don't mind preaching good and giving credit to Christ or God, but I notice that a lot of people like to denounce a lot of the offensive things in the bible and then go on to build their OWN spiritual platform but then keep coming back to credit the very God in that bible. ultimately you're goin to believe what you believe so why not give yourself a new label to detach from the establishment. Or why does it need a name? Would we even speak in an afterlife? No one knows
@TrazMatik You misunderstand me bud, my spiritual platform IS the Bible, I denounce nothing it says and I believe it all. But, I also refuse to put GOD in a box and ( for instance) say that his days are 24 hour periods. I denounce people that pick and choose what they like and dont like and make their own religion based on what they want as opposed to what rings true. Basically, I denounce organized religion as a whole, and call myself Christian because I am a follower of Christ, the Messiah.
@dutchweeks1 I like the story of Christ. to speak against the norm and authority. To be considered a blasphemer. Christ is the greatest symbol for the danger of religion. People don't want you speaking against their god or they will use him as an excuse to slaughter you. And somehow the story preserves that mentality in a vicous circle. "Love those who do evil?" isn't justice in your moral code anywhere man? and don't tell me hell is justice, it doesn't change the world aroundus
@dutchweeks1 Literally or symbolically, the bible is a horrible place for morals. Some are good, only to be violated by further reading. We've come a long way. We have these things called laws (the most sensible ones are secular, not biblical). I don't need reference to a loosely translated book to know whats wrong, things are very clear around me. The bible is a fascinating piece of history to me, with certain metaphors/symbology to be admired, nothing more than that.
@dutchweeks1 There IS so much more to that book. I hope you see it and find enlightenment that is not bound and disgraced by the evil baggage in that book. Repeating things about love, enlightenment, salvation, or repent WILL NOT SUBTRACT THE HORRIBLE MIND ABUSE THAT IS WOVEN INTO THAT BOOK!! You can highlight Christ's words if you like, but that does not make him the only source of good. It's already in our heart.
@TrazMatik Once you admit that we are a creation, the Bible is an excellent moral reference. Im glad you dont need it, but many do and are changed through the words enclosed. Think of the Bible as everything your parents taught you, would you spit in your dads face? No. Because it's wrong, he deserves your respect because hes your dad. Its the same thing. Were put here to choose Him or not, and later were rewarded if we turn to him. I see no mind abuse, only a moral compass.
@dutchweeks1 People nowadays are changed by many things they read. And if my dad taught me wrong I would correct it. the mind abuse- have you seen how the language of the bible is obsessed with sin, blood, and sacrifice? Children read this. The crucifixion alone is horrific and the burden goes to us. "He paid for our sins, he's our savior" it's a fukkin load of guilt man. You already have a moral compass, don't tie it to a bloodbath of a book.
@dutchweeks1 It's a horrible moral reference. Trumped by current standards. Slavery legislation, child sacrifice and stoning, supremacy, and incest. To top it all off, Jesus is portrayed as the moral standard as he vainly claims to be the son of god. Then, they violate your hero with the crucifixion. In a nutshell, There may be be a dash of good moral, but the purity of your mind is polluted by the time you're done. Believe in a creator, fine. But to get to know him thru this book, sick dude.
@dutchweeks1 thanks for staying good spirited during your defense. Most christians like to throw in back handed insults, suggest I'm hellbound, and throw in a seeming mock of a prayer for my salvation. I only give theists such a hard time because I know it can lead to things like this^^^ and westboro church, etc. You seem well-intentioned though, let's just hope God doesn't command you to kill me :) I encourage you to test your faith. If he is merciful, you have nothing to lose
@TrazMatik absolutely buddy, and I salute you for the same. Its a rare thing to have a theological discussion without insults being thrown from one direction or another (or both). I will always dig deeper to find the truth and test my faith and back it with science. Im not denying I'll be praying for you, I hope thats not a problem, but thats between me and GOD...and if he asks me to kill you, you'd be the first, so dont lose any sleep over it :)
@TrazMatik See everybody? People with differing opinions CAN debate in a CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL MANNER. I know, it's craaaaaazy huh? Hahaha!!!!! we're an example for humanity buddy, go figure :p
@Trazmatik absolutely, I agree that GOD is a metaphor for the universe. and that He is the universe, and that He's literally everything in it, and that He is something we will never fully understand. My entire spiritual platform is based on the fact that I'll never know the details for sure, but everybody's born with a knowledge of the important things. Sure, ya may read the Bible, but only as a story book and hardly even as relevant philosophy (in most cases), -cont-
(cont.)The truth is, yes, the nwo wants people to have a religion, but not a spirituality and a relationship with the Creator. If we all have religion, then its easy to turn that into whatever they want to, kindof like the catholic church combined (originally) with the greco-roman religions to create a bastardized version of what claimed to be Christianity in order to control the masses. Learn your facts before you speak up buddy, you athiests only sound childish when you call others names.
@dutchweeks1 At best, God is a metaphor for the universe. you said atheists are too afraid to open a bible? A lot of atheists have studied the bible and some have taken college courses on religion. And jus like christians, you can't label us the same as each other. The bible is full of slavery, genocide, and sacrifice. Sure jesus is good, but then they violate your mind with depictions of him crucified. "Selfish ways"? I'm just as concerned with evil as you. I rely on myself to act.
(cont.)Ive read the teachings of Buddha, Ive read the Quran, Ive even read the book of Mormon and Dianetics (which is garbage, by the way). And Ive heard the platform of the athiests. Ive taken the teachings of all the great spiritual leaders into account and when you take whats logical and combine it it all goes back to the Bible. I am well informed, you are not. You are regurgitating what youve heard on the internet and pretending you know something. You dont, and you know it.(cont.)
(cont.)I am a logical thinker and not afraid of fact, so please, by all means, try to prove me wrong. But I'll tell ya now you cant. And you probably wont, because you and all the other athiests of the world are too afraid to open a Bible and find out just how blind you really are. So, to you and ALL OTHER ATHIESTS out there I submit this challenge, to pull yourself away from your own selfish ways and actually look at what others believe and realize that we ALL have something right. (continued)
@stardelorian The Bible and GOD were around LONG before the advent of the nwo or religion. Me saying Im a Christian is me saying I'm a follower of Christ, not man-made religion. Science proves Genesis ( so long as you dont put GOD in a box and his days as 24 hr periods, all of the Bible's prophesies are either fulfilled or well on their way. Logically, it's all that makes sense. Dont believe me? Fine. Look into it yourself and tell me that anything it says is wrong. I welcome it.(continued)
@chaseray21 can u disprove the existence of God or Satan? If neither one existed the world wouldn't be the way it is. And furthermore all the signs from the bible are unfolding in front of our eyes. The best trick the devil ever did was convince people he didn't exist. U better do you some more research and put your faith in jesus my friend.
Okay, Im a Christian, laugh at that if ya like, Im very proud of it and I dont care. However, even if you dont believe in GOD and all that, what are our leaders doing having these ceremonies (real or play) worshiping satan and moloch and other traditionally EVIL entities? Real or not, is it not a touch strange that our world leaders worship entities (real or not) that they believe to be bent on evil? Think about it folks.
@dutchweeks1 -- the new world order wants you to believe in the bible..and use religion in your life as if it created the universe....and im not going to respond to whatever you have to say because in my experience, you cant tell a "jesus freak" and damn thing...so just remain lost....and do no research..and keep worshiping religion...
@Outrjs I'm an atheist and I don't HATE christians. I just think we never get answers or accountability for some of the offensive & atrocious things christianity has done. Look at westboro church. I mean, atheists AND christians hate those people. But it's their religion that feeds and defends them. Atheists wanna stop shit like that. some of us are aggressive, but just look at what having a god can do^^^. "We wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places" we attack the root cause
Those are people who disobey the bible just as I have and repented.
"We wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places" Not physically and it should never be that way. We should love those who do evil against us. There is so much more to that book and I hope you pray and seek God.
People are ALWAYS going to be flesh. Its what is hard to deal with.
It does'nt change the fact that a Savior was to help us move to a further realm of enlightenment. I want you and me there
@Aurinkohirvi if u had any real knowledge of illuminati which obviously you don't then you the know God exists. But I'm not gonna sit here and preach to u. Your old enough to know right from wrong. Just know without faith you won't make it. Turn to God while u still can because once judgement day hits it will be too late.
Without faith I don't make what? I cannot "turn to god" because I know gods are not real. If there were people who would learn about any god, without other people telling them of those gods, then you might have a case that gods exist. But when no person ever learns from a god, without someone delivering him the gospel, there is no fat chance the gods would be real!
Alex, to a Christian EVERYONE ELSE is a satanist, everyone else is a devil worshipper!
So, as an atheist, I DON'T CARE what you tell the globalists worship! Lucifer, Jahve, Allah, Vishnu, they are all the same to me. It does not matter what god or spirit they worship!
If they do crimes, let's put them in prison. There they can worship what ever they want.
What a dope. Luciferian religion. Get real pal. If you havent figured out the truth people. Here it is. The bohemian grove is nothing more than a play of Altair. A syrian group called the assasians fought the templers during the crusades. Altair was the main hero I guess. Basically they hold the hidden truth that Jesus did not die. So there it is in a nut shell.
WoW I can't believe how much Alex is being attacked these past couple of day's. It's probably no coincidence but i'll be called a loon but the timing of these attacks follow on the heels of the main stream medias attack on Alex blaming his film OBAMA DECEPTION for the recent lone gunman shooting at the White House. They seem to pushing anti Alex agenda to demonize him on the internet. Thankyou Alex for relentlessly defending our rights. You are in my prayers and united we will defeat the N.W.O.
What a fat lard ass...Even though he does expose the Rothschilds,Rockefellers,which is only a positive thing..But he is pro Israel like anyone that has a show or is running for any position at any goverment in the world..Freemasonry was created by the jews and is controlled by the jews only lodge of B'nai B'rith..
Alex Just Ignore The Hate Your Getting From Some Viewers. If They Wanna Believe There's No God And Satan And Illuminati Then Let Em. I'm Tired Of Trying To Save People From This Shit And They Don't Wanna Listen. There Gonna See Soon Enough. Its Coming. Try Reading Revelations From The Holy Bible And Tell Me There's Nothing There Similar To Our Worlds Current State. Sheep...
I believe in the globalist cabal, and I know Illuminati exists. But god and satan? Naw. Not believing in that stuff.
I really don't like Alex mixes his faith into this fight against the globalists. But, I just have to ignore it, to get some good information every now and then. I don't get it why people of faith have to advertise and push their faith on other people all the time. Like you, in your comment and even in your username!
@Aurinkohirvi The reason is that the illuminati either believe in Satan or like to pretend they do to scare us. Either way they insert the symbolism into their media propaganda and often virtually announce their plans and boast their influence, thus knowledge of their occult symbolism is important in detecting their influence. Also, while psychopaths and sociopaths outnumber healthy people at the top, a religious devotion to a common cause is necessary for the normal people to commit atrocities.
@jesusdisciple91 There is no God nor Satan. However this does not mean there is no Illuminati. If the Illuminati believe in a God or Satan then it's real to them and they will commit acts of violence in the name of their God. Think of it like this, you don't believe in Allah. He's not real (to you). But Muslims do believe in him and to them he is real. So some commit acts of violence in his name.
Thats because Glenn Beck listens to his show and then completely emulates him. On one of his broadcasts he talked about Glenn Beck stealing everything and not giving him credit.
@patbox88ify haha what a dumb shithead you are , i praise alex for talking about this and tell the truth, so shut the fuck up, with al respect. you should be killed
THIS is off topic but I have a facebook group name Occupy Truth ! and I am trying to help ron paul so he wont end up like jfk and rfk by protesting outside of a bilderburg member house and sending them a message that u cant mess with Ron and i even thought about protesting outside of fox news sense they left ron out of stuff. plz type jbauer364@gmail.com in u tube and help me out i have a lil over 300 ppl . Next yr we would like to protests outside of a bilderburg meeting .
alex please talk more on this subject, cuz this is the real truth...and im sorry if you are just finding this out but i knew bout the evil of this world since i was ten, i seen my brothers gf be possessed and mymom had a priest come in and read scripture and threw holy water on her , when she snappedout of it she didnt remeber a thing
Reagan and George H. sold arms to Iran to raise money for the Nicaraguan Contras, and in doing so, they both committed treason. Oliver North took the hit.
Alex, many news items are archived, so you need to recheck your facts as you are starting to increase the number of errors in your information. This will lead to less credibility for the cause. Also, is it possible that you are being subverted by one of your researchers?
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JemmaDream 2 weeks ago
You know what I love about Alex Jones show? Even the commercials are awesome! Alex Jones just keeps getting better and better!
AnoNothingNa 3 weeks ago
The hell you all have a whole page of some back and forth...
IlIkesTheUnderground 1 month ago
I don't think its right that u spread fear,I think u know a lot but at the same time u profit off of peoples fear jst like alot of so u say terrorists,I think u understand tones and speech terror tactic as well as the elite.its one thing to inform and another to report heresy and profit off fear
MrKynfolk 1 month ago
People get bogged down in this nonsense debate about who among the Average Joes belongs to what religion and what that religion means. It's not about YOU, the PROLETARIAT, the PEASANT, believe, it's about what the MASTERS who rule over you believe.
zq926 1 month ago
A symbol means different things to different people. Even "Lucifer" or "Satan" can mean different things to different people. To the Master Elite, it means a dark god who rules the material universe and requires blood sacrifice. Whether YOU, Average Joe, believe in *that* Lucifer or Satan, is another matter entirely.
zq926 1 month ago
How do I become a luciferian or join their cult? I'd do anything for the cause!!!! :)
studentoflife01 1 month ago
There is no such thing as a Luciferian religion. If anything Capitalism is it but it is still not. Quit putting charged words into ideas. Lucifer is a myth- never was real, never will be real.
Jeffersonwazright 1 month ago
@Jeffersonwazright excuse me, luciferianism is a religion and i am myself a luciferian. you also do not necessarily have to belief in the lucifer figure to be a luciferian. im also an atheist. so no, lucifer does not exist but luciferianism does.
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
@ThreeEyesSeeLies As another atheist I have to just say....cant you just be an atheist? Do you have to make the movement silly and call yourself a luciferianist? Cmon man! Your making us look bad!
Jeffersonwazright 1 month ago
@Jeffersonwazright the difference is that i have religion and you dont. im a luciferian, i just believe in deific masks instead of gods. its a whole religion and lifestyle, not a general idea like "atheism." youre not religious or spiritual, but i have religion. thats the difference. its not like a subculture, im a luciferian that happens to not believe in gods. also, atheism isnt a movement. i refuse to be a sheep and follow what i dont believe in.
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
@ThreeEyesSeeLies oh grow the fuck up...seriously.
Jeffersonwazright 1 month ago
@Jeffersonwazright im just saying that i cant "just be an atheist" as you say, in the name of a fictitious "atheist movement." i wont change my way of thinking, i wont change my lifestyle, and i wont change my actions over a movement that was totally made up on the spot. yes,there was a spike in atheism recently but that doesnt mean its a movement. and the original point was that there are huge differences in atheism juxtaposed with atheistic luciferianism. im not sure why i need to "grow up"lol
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
Well, why not? Even Carl Sagan said 'we're all stardust united at the singularity'. You understand the sciences don't you? Order from chaos.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie i dont follow.
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
I know. You don't get it because you're a product of this generation that Jones is talking about.
There is no such thing as 'atheism' as it is used. They are talking about a specific god, which is exactly the meaning of the word 'theos'. Notice there is no such thing as 'a-deism'.
I've been saying for years that the "atheist movement" or the rise in atheism came out of educational brainwashing turning people into clueless zombies. Don't you know about control of education? Marx spoke of it.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie but how am i clueless?
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
I didn't mean you specifically.. Everyone in general in prone toward thinking the world is progressing toward a greater end, which anyone can plainly see that it is not. Even atheists have a god but it's a future god.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie could you expand on that? i dont see what you mean. and message me, so that we dont take up room in the comments
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
No. It's really not that complicated.. What we call mysticism which came out of Gnosticism is what brought modern atheism. Sacred geometry etc etc. I personally think the pentagram is symbolic of evolution.
Do you agree with what Jones is saying? Then the rest follows logically. If it's true that they control education, well, what is being taught?
Just don't be surprised if Al Gore starts saying we're moving into a new age. Maybe Oprah will be there. She used to be into that garbage as well.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie oh well, it is just that, garbage. if there is a new age, we have people to fight, militias and things, and also we have the anonymous hacktivist group which would organize and shut down the government from the inside out. but i dont think so. i think all of this stuff is slow going and we wont see that age for a while
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
Not to mention pantheism. The word 'pan' means all natural things. Every empire in history had their state established pantheon of gods. What we call Hinduism isn't even. The word Hindu only means Indian in Arabic. Now ignorant people repeat these words having absolutely no idea what they mean. The "Hindus" were atheists. Atheism is not a new idea, in other words. The fact that the world has convinced you that it is is quite terrifying. Talk about the devil convincing the world he didn't exist.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie haha no man, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, so i know that its been around a long time. its certainly not new, at all.
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
If that were the case then there would be no such word. Do you kids even bother to think anymore?
This is ridiculous.. Do you even know what language is? The word 'theos' does have a specific meaning. This is deliberate and direct opposition to the specific theos.
For thousands of years people had stood in direct opposition to the Jew's claim of a creator. They were atheists.. But notice that many of them were "deists" (mystics) and there is no such word as a-deism.
Kid, just play a sport.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie i dont understand man, a deist is a person who believes in a creator but one that doesnt intervene. at least, thats the definition. i just dont get the point youre trying to make, all i was trying to say was that i am a luciferian but i dont believe in a literal god. that makes me an atheistic luciferian. if you wanna give me another title because you dont like atheist, be my guest. otherwise your point is pretty vague and unclear.
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
Exactly, you're just being silly. Luciferian atheism is an oxymoron. You don't care to take the subject seriously. That's obvious. You couldn't understand it. But it's as simple as this. If there is a literal creator then it would logically follow that he would reveal himself, and not only that, but he also created language. All else is just plain retarded, resulting in the person claiming some 'mystical' insight. All deism is mysticism. Which amounts to nothing but one jackass emoting nonsense.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie it is not an oxymoron because it doesnt contradict itself. i dont believe in a creator, i believe in magick based on quantum physics and some faith, plus a lot of personal experiences. i believe god does not exist, but if you feel otherwise thats cool too. we all follow our own path. what is your point? just plain and simple, one or two sentences, what are you trying to prove?
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
Insightful.. It's been said by philosophers decades ago that it was possible to make an atheist believe in the supernatural while still disbelieving in god.. People thought that i was impossible but it's exactly what's happening. It's fascinating. You are exactly what they were talking about.
Poor Alex has no idea that what he calls the 'awakening' is actually the opposite. That's why we all need a good sense of humor about this lunacy. It's a sick world that makes better comedy than horror.
knowwaie 1 month ago
@knowwaie ugh....are you going to quit speaking in figurativve language and just answer the damn question? as long as your point doesnt make sense, you cant expect to convince anyone of it. i could speak to one of my peers, talking to them about why i dont believe in abortion, but use metaphors and large words and i still couldnt get my point across. i dont believe in the supernatural because thats just a term for science intended for the use of morons that dont have a better explanation.
ThreeEyesSeeLies 1 month ago
Alex I love your shows infowars & Prison Planet so nice to be awake. Yes your the tip of the spear but my quiver is full of your arrows and now I'm Robin in the hood God bless you and family Ron Paul 2012
sfholton 2 months ago
Scary stories for feeble-minded!
olteh 2 months ago
Google are you Lucifer?
kasala111 2 months ago
@kasala111 Did you mean Luciferian?
BigDaddydigsdp 2 months ago
With the advent of the new law to declare America as the battleground, and the past Patriot act it is obvious that tactics used in Nazi Germany are being deployed here in America. The existance of FEMA detention camps with rail lines to them and gas lines hooked to buildings is evidence that a plan is being enacted to capture, imprison and kill Americans. The worldwide hatred of the American people and it's government will make many see these deaths as divine justice.
Agustason 2 months ago
@Agustason paranoid much? lol
sTapleEVA 2 months ago
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Now is the time to act to stop this planned genocide of much of the American citizenry. As an American citizen I advocate the elimination of the FEMA camps now. By whatever means necessary these death camps need to be nuetralized. Americans are the new Jews of Nazi Germany and the time for action is now.
Agustason 2 months ago
callers on call-in shows are used to make audiences think whatever the producer wants. sometimes they just wanna show that they think the audience is stupid, so they have all idiot callers. sometimes they want us to think some cops are ok, like today on a.j. whatever. just be aware, cuz alex is telling the truth about the government wanting to take your rights n enslave you. n that isn't an overstatement. it's getting bad, n the cops n army is gonna make it worse b4 its all through. amerika...
jeffsbored13 2 months ago
@jeffsbored13 yeah one thing that sets alex apart is that, most people who watch him, I meen really watching. normally agree with him, they see whats going on and when they call in they are trying to share that they know and are trying to help and i think thats great.
queenstixxzz 2 months ago
@queenstixxzz you can't be serious. at best, i would say maybe one in ten has an iq over 110. ok, riddle me this. our very country is at stake, and so far, he's pretty much the top-dog of 'alternative media'. not even going into his rumored jesuit & jewish connections, or the fact of who his attorney is/was. just the fact that his actions make him such an easy target should throw up a red-flag. ask yourself how come he never calls 4 any action. not talking violence, but anything would be good.
jeffsbored13 2 months ago
@queenstixxzz one more thing. i'm not even saying he's a bad guy. but he does paint a big target on all of us with his antics, and the callers are just icing on the cake. i'm glad someone is getting the word out, and i really don't care who it is. i just think at the least, he's gonna be used, maybe not even with his knowledge. when the doo hits the fan, the controlled media is gonna use him as an example of how idiotic we all are, n make us look bad to those on the fence. just my opinion...
jeffsbored13 2 months ago
why does alex think that he can get away with fake ass phone calls? i think almost all call in shows, whether they know it or not, are using a psy-op tactic with the callers. not many normal people would stay on hold forever just to talk on the radio. alex has been busted with fake calls before, and im pretty sure i just heard one. im glad he's getting the info out, but i think he's a shill, used to get our names on the list, and to control dissent. if true, that makes him a traitor, like obama.
jeffsbored13 2 months ago
I am a member of the luciferian religion and I am in with the illuminati.
doopoop 2 months ago
TURN AWAY FROM YOUR SINS AND TURN TO GOD, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO! DON'T FEAR SATAN BECAUSE HE LOSES!
TeeroyMcCoy 2 months ago
Alex man, "even if you're an atheist??" ESPECIALLY as an atheist, I'm concerned about world leaders doing mock rituals. As if I became apathetic in my conversion. Nah man, my primary concern is humanity and the main threat seems to be divinity.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
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For all ppl that love Ron Paul and freedom plz type jbauer364@gmail.com in fb and add me and lets protests outside of a bilderberg member house for ron paul life and lets protests outside of fox news sense they left him out of stuff. For those who cant protests u could join a group of ppl that i know that r going to expose the candidates by using youtube and facebook.then after hes in office lets protest worldwide to educate ppl about groups that want a nwo and about falseflags.
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Seriously? People need to realize that it's Alex Jones job to come up with all these crazy conspiracy theories to make money. You know what conspiracy theories? They are stories that have not been proven to be true or have been proven to be false. The fact is the majority of conspiracy theories are made up. Since all of Alex Jones stories are like this, its silly to assume any of them are true specially when there is profit behind it.
bmehoota 2 months ago
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Why does Jonsey work on Sunday but not Sat? Could it be he is really Jewish?
burnstagger 2 months ago
Why does Jonsey work on Sunday but not Sat? Could it be he is really Jewish?
burnstagger 2 months ago
I'm a luciferian and wow you talk about us like we are the boogeyman I understand thou its like always the closed minds think we are evil lol
legit1024 2 months ago
I always knew the illuminati was a bunch of gay faggots
shamirmartian 2 months ago
Icke needs to lose about 40 lbs. Too many donuts in the morning when on all those speeches.
burnstagger 2 months ago
@Outrjs They already have their way bud, its been a slow process but now its happening quick, and those who serve darkness are already in the thrones of power, just waiting for the right time to strike. Matthew 24:9-"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL NATIONS for My name's sake. And THEN shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another." Look at the comments below, it's only gonna get worse from here.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
I don't agree with everything Alex Jones talks about. But after studying Satan and his/hers believers for a decade. THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
Its coming.... Better repent and turn back to the Lord.
Go in your room and pray to God and ask him to help you. HE WILL. He loves you.
Jesus is real and sadly so is Satan.
Outrjs 2 months ago
David Icke is one that is trying to get you away from God and believe that you are God and that aliens should be worshipped. I studied him for him a long time and he is a Luciferian himself.
Outrjs 2 months ago
-cont.- because athiests (in general) are loathe to even consider that we'll have to answer to a higher power for the wrongs we commit, even though all science points to intelligent design. It's great that you've concerned yourself with evil, but there would be no evil without unquestionable goodness. And Jesus' death is no violation, it's what happened. Someone bails you out of jail they'll tell ya how much they spent to do so, wouldn't they?
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Well I think your view gives you distance from most christians. I don't loathe to consider answering to a higher power, why even go as far as to think you'll have to answer to something divine when you can just have deep empathy and be a law abiding citizen. To me, evil is defined by a human consensus. For instance, if you said your god demanded genocide, to you unquestionable, but humanity would say no. I think most theists use god to project a good they already know.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik The big question is, how do you already know. You know that you have the knowledge off whats right and wrong, but where'd it come from?
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 My knowledge of what's right and wrong comes from empathy. Being able to feel for someone else. I despise this idea that everything would be chaos if we didn't have some guidelines written down. Even monkeys don't slaughter each other. Empathy comes with being a social species. So if you denounce nothing the bible says, you believe god was right in legislating slavery? Homosexuality an abomination? Do you have no inner conflict with the atrocious things in that book?
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik I didnt say it came from something written down, in fact I dont think it does. It comes from a knowledge that we are all born with, my question is why are we born with such empathy? Here comes the controversy; yes, I believe that homosexuality is wrong and a slight against GOD and nature. As for slavery, it was far different in Biblical times than the trans atlantic slave trade, people were slaves as a result of debt more than anything, legislation was necessary.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 The jews were RUNNING FROM slavery, yet it was ok for God to legislate, not only slavery, but the beating of slaves??? We are born with empathy to assist in our group survival. You can credit God and I'll credit evolution, but I have just got you to admit that we don't need it written down. Thus, why need the bible? Why be good for the name sake?
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik The Jews were enslaved for more than the 7 years legislated by GOD to be enslaved, and they were supposed to receive payment at the end of their tenure, which they almost did not. I freely admit that I don't need it written down, but most people do because we, as humans are incredibly susceptible to doing terrible things. look at history (even things done in GOD's name). The Bible, just like the law of the land, puts it in black and white for us though, so that we have a reference.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik As for my views on homosexuals, I know I'll catch alot of heat for that, and thats okay, but I will explain my stand. Yes, sex is fun, and I'm in no way innocent of sex for pleasure. But The Bible clearly states that sex is only for procreation, and there is a reason for that. Look at todays society, how often do we see horrendous acts (not homosexuals) performed for sexual pleasure? It corrupts us if we allow it to.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik If not for sex in the name of pleasure how many wrongs would have never happened? That's why I am against homosexuality, because it takes it's root in lust and goes against what GOD or (barring His existence) nature intended for us. Ya'all can hate me if ya like, I don't hate gays nor judge individuals, I am just morally against the practice.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Well, I agree, it is lustful and purposeless; it nullifies nature's gift of procreation, but it occurs in many species of the animal kingdom. Though we may not agree with it, it gives us no right to trample their rights nor be as cruel as to say it's an abomination.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik And I don't. I am a huge believer in live and let live. Who am I to say what anybody but myself can or can't do? And the word abomination translates to mean that it is disgusting. Furthermore, it states that it is an abomination to GOD, not man. But I will not deny that I find the act (not the individual) disgusting. I wouldn't deny a gay person anything that I'd give a straight one though (including rights), it isn't morally right, and it's not my place.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 See, that moral of "who am I to say?" is so very human. But when you adopt the belief in a god, you create a space in your mind that acts as an overriding authority. So if you somehow believed that God told you to kill gays, you would be submissive. But the thing is, you know he's not gonna tell you that, you know he won't tell you anything, because you, inside, know he doesn't exist. You merely project your own morality into something external, and worse, outdated.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik You're right, it is very human, and yet it doesnt show up anywhere else in the animal kingdom, proving that we are something else. Yes, if I believed that GOD told me to do ANYTHING, I would do it. He is an overriding authority, because He created me, and everything and everyone else. But you're wrong to say that I know He doesnt exist, it's actually quite the contrary, we both know He does. There is no other explanation for the universe or the human mind if not, logically speaking.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik My knowledge that He wont send me to kill gays has to do with the fact that I am not to judge, and that He is merciful. If I were to end the life of any person, no matter what the reasoning behind it, I would be denying them the chance to fulfill their purpose in life, and that is not my place. There is such a thing as righteous anger, and it does condone death, but I believe that it is only to be used in reaction to the unforgivable sin (which is very difficult to commit).
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Just because we don't have an explanation for the universe doesn't mean you can just plug in your god, what about others?. Humans are something else, but it's vain to think it's divine. If I assume there is a designer, to be an external authority contradicts the very design of free will. For hell to be default for someone who exercised this will and disbelieved is not merciful. Your righteous anger statement seemed to contradict your "love those who do evil" statement
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik I never said humans were divine, just that we are something separate from everything else and given knowledge nothing else has from birth for a reason. And I already all but said that all "gods" are based on the Creator. We are given free will because without it there would be no purpose to life, our purpose is to serve GOD and help others, thats it. To turn away from the one that created you is wrong, but its your choice.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik And all hell is is the absence of GOD and what He provides. It was not created with humans in mind, but if you choose to serve yourself (or any other than He) then it's the only place to go after death. Heaven is for those who serve Him, not for those who don't.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Oh and and there's the suggestion that I am hellbound. for a god to make that judgement on something so asinine as name sake is ridiculous. Its such a human idea of entitlement. I think there might be an energetic experience after death. If you're mind's healthy; pleasant. If not; sufferable. I don't know but at least it's not a completely abstract idea or some VIP club. Christians just love to feel heavenly, I call it the golden ticket mentality.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Ultimately, I think if I take your words metaphorically, I could imagine it scientifically. But to literally think I have declare and credit human goodness and the creation of the universe to a three letter word or the name of christ to get into some blissful afterlife makes me laugh. If I am as good, if not better than a christian, shouldn't I deserve a blissful afterlife that reflects that? Your god is so personified with status, it just kills our sense of equality.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Also, why only two choices? heaven and hell? the universe provides so much more possibility. I'd have to say, the universe as I know it in my mortal life seems more miraculous than heaven and hell combined! Can you tell me what heaven is without selfish desire? Would you want to spend eternity in anything? The joy of life lies in contrast and it's temporary nature. Can't we achieve paradise for humanity rather than promise something beyond the line of what we know?
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik How is this so hard to understand? Ill make it clear: 1.) I dont think that it matters what you call GOD, just that you acknowledge His existence and serve His will. 2.) I didnt say you were hellbound, and you brought up my beliefs on the matter. 3.)yes, I can describe Heaven unselfishly, it's where GOD has created a paradise for those who chose Him over all. 4.) Hell is the absence of GOD, not a place, a state of being.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik You seek to attack my beliefs and the only place we differ is that I acknowledge the existence and supremacy of GOD (whatever you may call Him), and that I believe what the Bible says, including Heaven and hell. I dont condemn your beliefs, in fact I think you have most of it right, but is not thinking yourself the supreme being just as arrogant as those who say their belief is the only one thats right?how did all this get here if not for a Creator? Be open minded and your eyes follow
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 I don't place myself supreme, I've said equality and humanity should be priority. Just trying to understand and being concerned with fellow men. I don't pretend to know everything and know whats right, there's just some atrocious things to be accounted for with religion, so I'm questioning the root cause with logic. No one knows how this got here. Creator? maybe. But it would be impossible to personify it with authority, jealousy, wrath, servitude, or status.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik My statement then was unfair, and I apologize, but those who deny the existence of a Creator are saying that they (humans) are the supreme being. And I agree that horrible things have been done in the name of religion, which is why I am not religious. Religion is an invention of man and so it is flawed, I serve no religion. But, I do pay homage to the Creator, because He deserves it, He made me. I truly respect you though for admitting that you dont know for sure, nor do I.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 1)Well if you feel it doesn't matter what I call God then you're not the typical christian. and if you don't care what I call him how can you assert it's existence? 2) Tru dat 3) "for those who CHOSE him" shows the selfish act of choice 4)A state of being cannot exist without a place. -I think faith just prevents people from scientific knowledge. And I think Science can explain SOME of the metaphors and symbols in religion
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik Haha, I am an extremely atypical ( and often shunned) Christian, bud. It's no more selfish for Him to require us to bow to him than it is for your parents to be offended if you were to call somebody else mom or dad. And as for hell, Im saying its no place in particular. In fact, I believe it's everywhere but where GOD is. Science is what lead me to my faith in the first place bud, if you take away limitations and acknowledge the primitive mindset, science proves the Bible.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 One last thing. If their is something that created the universe, what created that? why should we consider it seperate from the universe? Isn't the universe grand enough? You really seperate yourself from christainity when you say "all gods" are "based" on the creator. so why not drop the translations of it and provide a secular argument? U basically admit the idea is unoriginal and somehow find it justified to build upon one of the younger ideas of it.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik The universe is finite, it has a beginning and an end. It's infuriating to imagine eternity, but it's there whether we like it or not, so logically speaking there was something before and there will be something after. Scientifically, in this universe, nothing just happens, it all has a cause.Something created the universe, and by all rights it must have been intelligent, because there is intelligence, not a coincidence.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik I give no secular argument because secular, by definition, is anything but GOD. And yes, the idea is unoriginal. All original ideas of GOD are, again, by definition, wrong, because theyre made up to suit the originator. I have no young ideas of it, my ideas are the first, but they recognize what has been done to those ideas and acknowledge bits and pieces of the first beliefs in most religions.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 wait who could god MAKE the universe and then you claim that secular is not of god. Secular evidence is everything we can observe how is that NOT God?? Why would he provide it all and denounce it as part of him? you're twisted man, even in your own mind
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik you misunderstand, secular is any idea denying GOD. It leaves GOD out of the equation at all. I believe that the universe and everything in it is part of Him, which is why I can't leave Him out of it.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Well this goes into the secular argument of intelligent design and I don't think the dogma of any religion deserves to claim it as their own
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 I know you "follow christ" but doesn't christ follow god? Wasn't god there before christ? no one documented christ during his life, which is strange if he's so important. There have been known forgeries of documents in the development of christianity. Paganism even influenced the move of his birthday to meet the winter solstice. If you really believe in an original creator, shouldn't you dig deeper in the past? research homie. truth is truth, there is no name sake
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik again, you prove my point. Christ was sent to reveal truth where others had placed religion. And I have done the research, and did it with an open mind, and came to see that what is written in the Bible is the closest we'll come to the truth before death. which brings me back to my original point in all this: details dont matter, we're all born knowing whats right and whats wrong, it's our choice to deny the wrong and embrace the right.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 I think your idea of truth is twisted. how can a story of a man, who can symbolically be made out to translate from astrology, but was not documented during his alleged time, left no evidence, and the book you learn of him, translated over and over be anything close to the truth??? Reality is around you, not in any single book. Why would we even need christ to reveal the truth, a creator should reveal itself in much more evident ways.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik If we had rock hard evidence, there would be no need for faith. Faith is what He asks of us. You're right, reality is all around us, and not contained in its entirety in any one book, but the Bible clarifies alot. Christ was and is needed because man decided to ignore truth and serve self, He is our last chance and payment of debt.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 How does science prove the bible? Don't you know the controversy of dinosaur fossils? if you take the bible literally, a lot of it can't be true. If you take it symbolically, then there's no sense in using science. Christians have constantly translated it to adapt it to our learning world, thus you have apologetics. when it comes to trying to preserve any limited language, it's easy to translate it to many things.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik Yeah, Im not of the opinion that the earth is 12,000 years old, if thats what youre asking. Take creation, Genesis; if you dont put any limitation on how long a "day" is then thats exactly how the beginning was (from a primitive understanding of it). Furthermore, Biblical prophesy is unlike any other in that it is not self-fulfilling, and yet most of it has already happened, what hasn't is well on it's way. I take it neither symbolically nor literally, but primitively.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Secular means seperate from religion, not god. in other words, I'd be asking for evidence outside of the bible or any such text. I think it takes evidence outside of the self reinforcing system that is religious text to reach a conclusion on intelligent design
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 How can you say you're not religious, that religion is a creation of man, but then claim the bible clarifies and take on that load of BS about Christ paying your debt? You're an innocent child until that story injects guilt into your mind. And don't say the creator was showing love, that's a human emotion. If Jesus was real, I don't think he died for our sins, I think he died by the sins of man at that time. The dude was murdered as a blasphemer in eyes of the empire.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik The Bible is not a religion, it is a teaching, a transfer of knowledge and wisdom. Religion is a word meant to cut people down for not doing things in one dead set fashion. I believe that were here to serve Him, but in our own way (within a set of guidelines). Basically, in the beginning, GOD made man, and he disobeyed, so then He made a bunch of em to see what theyd do. If we all served Him the same exact way, I think it'd be incredibly boring.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@TrazMatik It's like a kindergarten teacher, if she told the class to draw a flower and they all drew the same one the same way, there would be nothing interesting about it at all (except that a bunch of kids seemed to have the exact same artistic skills and ideas...which would just be creepy, lol)
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 I don't mind preaching good and giving credit to Christ or God, but I notice that a lot of people like to denounce a lot of the offensive things in the bible and then go on to build their OWN spiritual platform but then keep coming back to credit the very God in that bible. ultimately you're goin to believe what you believe so why not give yourself a new label to detach from the establishment. Or why does it need a name? Would we even speak in an afterlife? No one knows
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik You misunderstand me bud, my spiritual platform IS the Bible, I denounce nothing it says and I believe it all. But, I also refuse to put GOD in a box and ( for instance) say that his days are 24 hour periods. I denounce people that pick and choose what they like and dont like and make their own religion based on what they want as opposed to what rings true. Basically, I denounce organized religion as a whole, and call myself Christian because I am a follower of Christ, the Messiah.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 I like the story of Christ. to speak against the norm and authority. To be considered a blasphemer. Christ is the greatest symbol for the danger of religion. People don't want you speaking against their god or they will use him as an excuse to slaughter you. And somehow the story preserves that mentality in a vicous circle. "Love those who do evil?" isn't justice in your moral code anywhere man? and don't tell me hell is justice, it doesn't change the world aroundus
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Literally or symbolically, the bible is a horrible place for morals. Some are good, only to be violated by further reading. We've come a long way. We have these things called laws (the most sensible ones are secular, not biblical). I don't need reference to a loosely translated book to know whats wrong, things are very clear around me. The bible is a fascinating piece of history to me, with certain metaphors/symbology to be admired, nothing more than that.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 There IS so much more to that book. I hope you see it and find enlightenment that is not bound and disgraced by the evil baggage in that book. Repeating things about love, enlightenment, salvation, or repent WILL NOT SUBTRACT THE HORRIBLE MIND ABUSE THAT IS WOVEN INTO THAT BOOK!! You can highlight Christ's words if you like, but that does not make him the only source of good. It's already in our heart.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik Once you admit that we are a creation, the Bible is an excellent moral reference. Im glad you dont need it, but many do and are changed through the words enclosed. Think of the Bible as everything your parents taught you, would you spit in your dads face? No. Because it's wrong, he deserves your respect because hes your dad. Its the same thing. Were put here to choose Him or not, and later were rewarded if we turn to him. I see no mind abuse, only a moral compass.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 People nowadays are changed by many things they read. And if my dad taught me wrong I would correct it. the mind abuse- have you seen how the language of the bible is obsessed with sin, blood, and sacrifice? Children read this. The crucifixion alone is horrific and the burden goes to us. "He paid for our sins, he's our savior" it's a fukkin load of guilt man. You already have a moral compass, don't tie it to a bloodbath of a book.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 It's a horrible moral reference. Trumped by current standards. Slavery legislation, child sacrifice and stoning, supremacy, and incest. To top it all off, Jesus is portrayed as the moral standard as he vainly claims to be the son of god. Then, they violate your hero with the crucifixion. In a nutshell, There may be be a dash of good moral, but the purity of your mind is polluted by the time you're done. Believe in a creator, fine. But to get to know him thru this book, sick dude.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 thanks for staying good spirited during your defense. Most christians like to throw in back handed insults, suggest I'm hellbound, and throw in a seeming mock of a prayer for my salvation. I only give theists such a hard time because I know it can lead to things like this^^^ and westboro church, etc. You seem well-intentioned though, let's just hope God doesn't command you to kill me :) I encourage you to test your faith. If he is merciful, you have nothing to lose
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik absolutely buddy, and I salute you for the same. Its a rare thing to have a theological discussion without insults being thrown from one direction or another (or both). I will always dig deeper to find the truth and test my faith and back it with science. Im not denying I'll be praying for you, I hope thats not a problem, but thats between me and GOD...and if he asks me to kill you, you'd be the first, so dont lose any sleep over it :)
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 Lmao, amen brother!!
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik See everybody? People with differing opinions CAN debate in a CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL MANNER. I know, it's craaaaaazy huh? Hahaha!!!!! we're an example for humanity buddy, go figure :p
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@Trazmatik absolutely, I agree that GOD is a metaphor for the universe. and that He is the universe, and that He's literally everything in it, and that He is something we will never fully understand. My entire spiritual platform is based on the fact that I'll never know the details for sure, but everybody's born with a knowledge of the important things. Sure, ya may read the Bible, but only as a story book and hardly even as relevant philosophy (in most cases), -cont-
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
(cont.)The truth is, yes, the nwo wants people to have a religion, but not a spirituality and a relationship with the Creator. If we all have religion, then its easy to turn that into whatever they want to, kindof like the catholic church combined (originally) with the greco-roman religions to create a bastardized version of what claimed to be Christianity in order to control the masses. Learn your facts before you speak up buddy, you athiests only sound childish when you call others names.
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1 At best, God is a metaphor for the universe. you said atheists are too afraid to open a bible? A lot of atheists have studied the bible and some have taken college courses on religion. And jus like christians, you can't label us the same as each other. The bible is full of slavery, genocide, and sacrifice. Sure jesus is good, but then they violate your mind with depictions of him crucified. "Selfish ways"? I'm just as concerned with evil as you. I rely on myself to act.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
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dutchweeks1 2 months ago
(cont.)Ive read the teachings of Buddha, Ive read the Quran, Ive even read the book of Mormon and Dianetics (which is garbage, by the way). And Ive heard the platform of the athiests. Ive taken the teachings of all the great spiritual leaders into account and when you take whats logical and combine it it all goes back to the Bible. I am well informed, you are not. You are regurgitating what youve heard on the internet and pretending you know something. You dont, and you know it.(cont.)
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
(cont.)I am a logical thinker and not afraid of fact, so please, by all means, try to prove me wrong. But I'll tell ya now you cant. And you probably wont, because you and all the other athiests of the world are too afraid to open a Bible and find out just how blind you really are. So, to you and ALL OTHER ATHIESTS out there I submit this challenge, to pull yourself away from your own selfish ways and actually look at what others believe and realize that we ALL have something right. (continued)
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@stardelorian The Bible and GOD were around LONG before the advent of the nwo or religion. Me saying Im a Christian is me saying I'm a follower of Christ, not man-made religion. Science proves Genesis ( so long as you dont put GOD in a box and his days as 24 hr periods, all of the Bible's prophesies are either fulfilled or well on their way. Logically, it's all that makes sense. Dont believe me? Fine. Look into it yourself and tell me that anything it says is wrong. I welcome it.(continued)
dutchweeks1 2 months ago
@chaseray21 can u disprove the existence of God or Satan? If neither one existed the world wouldn't be the way it is. And furthermore all the signs from the bible are unfolding in front of our eyes. The best trick the devil ever did was convince people he didn't exist. U better do you some more research and put your faith in jesus my friend.
jesusdisciple91 3 months ago 2
@jesusdisciple91 Wise words, brethren!! God bless!!
TheHeavenBound 3 months ago
Okay, Im a Christian, laugh at that if ya like, Im very proud of it and I dont care. However, even if you dont believe in GOD and all that, what are our leaders doing having these ceremonies (real or play) worshiping satan and moloch and other traditionally EVIL entities? Real or not, is it not a touch strange that our world leaders worship entities (real or not) that they believe to be bent on evil? Think about it folks.
dutchweeks1 3 months ago 6
@dutchweeks1 -- the new world order wants you to believe in the bible..and use religion in your life as if it created the universe....and im not going to respond to whatever you have to say because in my experience, you cant tell a "jesus freak" and damn thing...so just remain lost....and do no research..and keep worshiping religion...
stardelorian 2 months ago
@dutchweeks1
That is a interesting way of stating the truth. Thank you.
Non-believers hate christians. Wait until the Satanist have their way.
Outrjs 2 months ago
@Outrjs I'm an atheist and I don't HATE christians. I just think we never get answers or accountability for some of the offensive & atrocious things christianity has done. Look at westboro church. I mean, atheists AND christians hate those people. But it's their religion that feeds and defends them. Atheists wanna stop shit like that. some of us are aggressive, but just look at what having a god can do^^^. "We wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places" we attack the root cause
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik
Those are people who disobey the bible just as I have and repented.
"We wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places" Not physically and it should never be that way. We should love those who do evil against us. There is so much more to that book and I hope you pray and seek God.
People are ALWAYS going to be flesh. Its what is hard to deal with.
It does'nt change the fact that a Savior was to help us move to a further realm of enlightenment. I want you and me there
Outrjs 2 months ago
To Sun's In Canadian sky In Ontario, Luke 21.2 25
MrKsomers4 3 months ago
@Aurinkohirvi if u had any real knowledge of illuminati which obviously you don't then you the know God exists. But I'm not gonna sit here and preach to u. Your old enough to know right from wrong. Just know without faith you won't make it. Turn to God while u still can because once judgement day hits it will be too late.
jesusdisciple91 3 months ago
@jesusdisciple91
Without faith I don't make what? I cannot "turn to god" because I know gods are not real. If there were people who would learn about any god, without other people telling them of those gods, then you might have a case that gods exist. But when no person ever learns from a god, without someone delivering him the gospel, there is no fat chance the gods would be real!
Aurinkohirvi 3 months ago
Alex, to a Christian EVERYONE ELSE is a satanist, everyone else is a devil worshipper!
So, as an atheist, I DON'T CARE what you tell the globalists worship! Lucifer, Jahve, Allah, Vishnu, they are all the same to me. It does not matter what god or spirit they worship!
If they do crimes, let's put them in prison. There they can worship what ever they want.
Aurinkohirvi 3 months ago
What a dope. Luciferian religion. Get real pal. If you havent figured out the truth people. Here it is. The bohemian grove is nothing more than a play of Altair. A syrian group called the assasians fought the templers during the crusades. Altair was the main hero I guess. Basically they hold the hidden truth that Jesus did not die. So there it is in a nut shell.
2012goingNutz 3 months ago
@2012goingNutz Lol, going nutz is a good handle for you. Take a break from assassin's creed.
IndrasBlade77 3 months ago
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xnmrphr 3 months ago
WoW I can't believe how much Alex is being attacked these past couple of day's. It's probably no coincidence but i'll be called a loon but the timing of these attacks follow on the heels of the main stream medias attack on Alex blaming his film OBAMA DECEPTION for the recent lone gunman shooting at the White House. They seem to pushing anti Alex agenda to demonize him on the internet. Thankyou Alex for relentlessly defending our rights. You are in my prayers and united we will defeat the N.W.O.
jhamrman 3 months ago
What a fat lard ass...Even though he does expose the Rothschilds,Rockefellers,which is only a positive thing..But he is pro Israel like anyone that has a show or is running for any position at any goverment in the world..Freemasonry was created by the jews and is controlled by the jews only lodge of B'nai B'rith..
Christian91201 3 months ago
Alex Just Ignore The Hate Your Getting From Some Viewers. If They Wanna Believe There's No God And Satan And Illuminati Then Let Em. I'm Tired Of Trying To Save People From This Shit And They Don't Wanna Listen. There Gonna See Soon Enough. Its Coming. Try Reading Revelations From The Holy Bible And Tell Me There's Nothing There Similar To Our Worlds Current State. Sheep...
jesusdisciple91 3 months ago 5
@jesusdisciple91
I believe in the globalist cabal, and I know Illuminati exists. But god and satan? Naw. Not believing in that stuff.
I really don't like Alex mixes his faith into this fight against the globalists. But, I just have to ignore it, to get some good information every now and then. I don't get it why people of faith have to advertise and push their faith on other people all the time. Like you, in your comment and even in your username!
Aurinkohirvi 3 months ago
@Aurinkohirvi The reason is that the illuminati either believe in Satan or like to pretend they do to scare us. Either way they insert the symbolism into their media propaganda and often virtually announce their plans and boast their influence, thus knowledge of their occult symbolism is important in detecting their influence. Also, while psychopaths and sociopaths outnumber healthy people at the top, a religious devotion to a common cause is necessary for the normal people to commit atrocities.
IndrasBlade77 3 months ago
@jesusdisciple91 There is no God nor Satan. However this does not mean there is no Illuminati. If the Illuminati believe in a God or Satan then it's real to them and they will commit acts of violence in the name of their God. Think of it like this, you don't believe in Allah. He's not real (to you). But Muslims do believe in him and to them he is real. So some commit acts of violence in his name.
chaseray21 3 months ago
POWER TO THE PEOPLE, CUZ THE PRICE FOR RIGHTS IS EQUAL!!!
lemonlimelukey 3 months ago
dat voice, like my tractor, must be conspiricy
mattew2221 3 months ago
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mattew2221 3 months ago
@mrsinister that was a good one. I feel for you because you will never understand.
sweetmovie07 3 months ago
how does this have so little views..
Indys44 3 months ago
Best trick the devil ever played was convincing people he does not exist.
sweetmovie07 3 months ago
@sweetmovie07 best trick the jews ever did was write a book in the desert 2000 years ago or whatever that would convince you to worship a jew
mrsinister03 3 months ago
@mrsinister03 Jesus Christ is not a Jew, he is God almighty and the Jews rejected him.
SlaveOfJesus144000 3 months ago
alex jones has been bought out by russian media. all he does is spread anti american comments.
117harper 3 months ago
YOU CANT TRUST ANYONE. YOU CAN TRUST ONLY PEOPLE!
drgreen2209 3 months ago
this guy is nutty
superdog797 3 months ago
Thats because Glenn Beck listens to his show and then completely emulates him. On one of his broadcasts he talked about Glenn Beck stealing everything and not giving him credit.
XashaMaree 3 months ago
he reminds me alot of glenn beck.
sandman3697 3 months ago
you can get "power" from some 4000 year old rock/stones ? righto...
KiillingWithASmile 3 months ago
My favorite Alex Jones Video:
bit DOT ly/spzT0E
KingOfTheDera 3 months ago
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KingOfTheDera 3 months ago
@patbox88ify haha what a dumb shithead you are , i praise alex for talking about this and tell the truth, so shut the fuck up, with al respect. you should be killed
illuminatikiller100 3 months ago
HOW IS ALEX JONES NOT DEAD?!?!
soLhunteR1 3 months ago
THIS is off topic but I have a facebook group name Occupy Truth ! and I am trying to help ron paul so he wont end up like jfk and rfk by protesting outside of a bilderburg member house and sending them a message that u cant mess with Ron and i even thought about protesting outside of fox news sense they left ron out of stuff. plz type jbauer364@gmail.com in u tube and help me out i have a lil over 300 ppl . Next yr we would like to protests outside of a bilderburg meeting .
22AgentBauer369 3 months ago
English: Government (noun)
Latin: Govern (control) Mente (mind) = Mind Control
Have a nice day everyone!
endswherebegins 3 months ago
alex please talk more on this subject, cuz this is the real truth...and im sorry if you are just finding this out but i knew bout the evil of this world since i was ten, i seen my brothers gf be possessed and mymom had a priest come in and read scripture and threw holy water on her , when she snappedout of it she didnt remeber a thing
MrRicogarza 3 months ago
THE SODOMITE PAPIST ROMAN BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLOTS , PEDERASTS PEDOFILES AND BUGGERS .
ALL THREE PREIDENTS WERE ON THEIR KNEES IN 2005 BEFORE A DEAD POPE IN A BOX,
THE MAN OF SIN
THE LAWLESS ATANIC BISHOP OF VATICAN SUN CULT SUNDAY
FKTHPOPE 3 months ago
go on a fucking diet, I bet it is your blood sugar causing you to rage allthis bullshit lol
MyHirogen 3 months ago
@LeLoupDriveIn lol.. we did that to all those countries.
sartte 3 months ago
But I also love this... Just saying..
Shogundavis 3 months ago
Post the ron paul and alex jones support on msnbc or fox. People watching this are all ready in support of independent media and politics
Shogundavis 3 months ago