The 'mis'treatment of women is the next great frontier we have to tackle as the human race. Obediance? Oh FUCK THAT! I'd never obey any man, or any person. Step up women; fight for your rights even if you can only do it in a small way.
Just to add, science again shows us more than religion, all humans start out as female and so it is men that are made from women, not the other way around.
@JovialJewels hahahaha your're silly everyone starts as a hermaphrodite! everyone who has followed biology in the modern world (Europe, usas and Japan) knows that! When you are in the hermaphrodite state your're sex is determined and then your're genitials are formed..... It's really sad that you lack this wonderful sienctific knowlegde, poor thing...
@Mtbdrum You are correct, i did not give the proper account. What I should have said was that the natural state for humans in female. The Wolffian ducts (for males) naturally die off unless there is a substance to inhibit the Müllerian ducts (female). So if you prefer, men are a mutation of the default state of humans. I hope that clarifies my statements.
@JovialJewels Ok but your're saying that female is the default state, however that's noet correct. Both female and male are formed after the hermaphrodite state. So if you prefer, both femal and male are a genetic determined mutation after the default state of being genderless.
@Mtbdrum I'm sorry but that's not true. Males and females start with undifferentiated gonads and both Müllerian and Wolffian ducts yes, so this is an androgynous state to start. But as the fetus develops the Wolffian ducts will decay, unless there are chemicals released to inhibit the Müllerian ducts and protect the Wolffian ducts. So without intervention humans, by default, become female as the fetus develops. If an XY fetus doesn't produce these chemicals they develop female, see AIS
@Mtbdrum I have no idea if this is or is not the case with apes, I would assume it is but I do not know for sure. I have no experience with zoology, sorry. You say that it isn't the case with apes, would you mind explaining that?
@JovialJewels I'm not a zoologist either but I know someone who is. He told met that what you're claiming is not the case with ape's though if he should explain it here it would take a long time. Let's go back to humans, you say that female is the default state, but why don't males act like women?
@Mtbdrum Are you sure you are not mixing up terms? I just looked over your previous post and if you mean that both males and females are "initially" androgynous that is true. All I am saying is that as the babies develop they become female by default, they do start as you say. And men are not like women due to the SRY gene which causes the chemicals to alter the fetus to become male. As for acting, there culture and society also play a role and sex typed behavior beyond the chemicals
@JovialJewels You're right I was mixing up terms. But I have one last question: Why would the fetus go from the hermaphrodite state to the female default state and then develope into a male fetus. It's a detour. And I asked my friend about animals and he said that the female default state only occurs with ape's monkeys and humans and not with dogs, by the way male dogs don't have nippels. Human males do. So why does a human fetus take a detour?
@Mtbdrum Sorry, skippy, ALL mammals go through the "female default state". You're not well versed on your embryology. Your friend is also misinformed.
Oh, most male mammals have nipples that correspond to the nipples on the female of their species. Pigs, dogs, cats....male nipples are easily visible.
Might I kindly suggest that you can use the internet to educate yourself on these issues. You have a world of info at your fingertips and you're ignoring it.
@ciaochowbella haha I would use the internet but you can't trust the internet and I'm to lazy to check if a website is trustworthy (even though I have taken computer studies and it's very easy to check hehe :D) but is there an other reason for this argument than every women being proud that every man had to go to a women state! Because deep down it's important to you, ohterwise you wouldn't reacted this aggressive...
@Mtbdrum I didn't "react aggressive" as you so pithily stated. I corrected your mistaken ideas. Frankly, I wouldn't care if we went through a marshmallow phase because it has no real bearing on how we end up. I don't take pride in the facts of nature. I just like them to be accurate.
However, if you're too lazy to use the internet to learn with the flimsy excuse of unreliability, then try a book. Those are still in existence and are full of info! You have no excuse for ignorance.
@Cattaclysmic Chromosomes are not the be all and end all of sex. There are quite a few people who are genotypically male but their phenotype is female. Look up intersex conditions. It is quite possible to have a baby girl that is XY.
Err, wrong - you start out either male or female. Your genetic code says from the first moment on what you will be. XX - you are female, XY - you are male. When the phenotypical expression starts to show is completely irrelevant.
It is a femenist myth that all live starts female...
@Asperger0815 When I posted that I had a lengthy discussion afterwords with someone on the nuts and bolts and I clarified that I meant female is the default for humanity. And actually there is a much larger variety than just XX and XY and there are females who have XY genes. Biology is rarely so simple.
@JovialJewels i understand where you are coming from, but statements like this keep people focused on very insignificant issues such as who cam from whom, completely irrelevant in today's society.
1Peter in chapter 3 says. "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way showing honour to the woman as the weacker vessel, since they are ares with you of the grace of life, so that your prayer smay not be hindered." And by the way, I am positive that is better than someone like you could ever do, Sam.
And I sure wouldn't be surprised even though he points out these striking points for women from religious point of view that they would still believe in... god!
Life is about competition, being an organism is about being part of the stronger group - women don't want equality, they want control; political correctness has all but destroyed the patriarchal rule, perhaps not on the top rungs of the economic ladder but the bottom 99% of it is now dominated by women. Guys, you wanted to be nice and fair and you let it go, now young boys grow up being told to be more like GIRLS, be quiet and submissive, don't be loud and play and cause a ruckus, FUCK THAT SHIT
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
do u know that if three men accuse a woman of adultery in islam...even if they have seen her sexual organ being penetrated with their naked eyes...u know what happens..the three men get 80 lashes..also if a man accuses his wife of adultery and she denies..the judge has to believe the woman...that's written in the quran..just read it before judging it
btw...forced marriages are religiously not allowed...also genital mutilation...that's all tradition...these practices are religiously prohibited by authentic sayings of the prophet (peace be upon him)...look up the reliable sources urself
guys..i'm sick of this...read the WHOLE Quran urself..don't pick and choose and u'll know the truth...i've read it several times myself...ahh sorry i forgot the testimony thing..that's in special cases and even in these cases there's a debate among scholars..if u really wanna know the truth read the Quran urself
as for women getting half as much of the inheritance as their brothers..that's because in islam a woman never has to pay for herself...the financial duty is that of her husband and if she works she gets to keep the money for herself..and if she's not married then her father is in charge of her..and if her father is dead then her brother..her money is just for her..she's never responsible for anyone financially..that's why she gets half as much..and that's in specific cases not all the time
I'm a Muslim..and I say what he said about islam is absolute rubbish..in islam women are not made in the image of men..that's the bible...also i don't know where he got the information that alghazali is the second most influencial man in islam..that's a lie..because until lately i hadn't even heard of this man...also islam prohibited burrying female babies alive...a tradition which arabs used to practice in pre-islamic history...Khadeeja..the wife of the prophet was a successful business woman
@daoudhaz Which is probably why you put tents over your women and forbid them to drive cars? Bah, arguing about what religions really *are* is like arguing over the length of Santa's beard. You can do it. But it gets you no presents.
look how prejudiced u r??? "put tents over ur women"...what do u mean?? i'm egyptian..have u come to egypt and seen the women here..u probably know nothing more then what u c on tv and internet...second thing..have u ever talked to a muslim woman and asked her why she wears the head scarf..if she's forced or not?...plz do...don't stereotype 1.6 billion people...because it's really not smart to do so
I think Sam Harris puts things in a way that even Christians might stop and realize how nasty their beliefs are. For a short while anyway until they get re-charged on brainwash Sundays. As for Muslims, they're too far gone to see anything.
when he says religion he actually means abrahamic religion and it fucking irritates me to no end when people use the term religion as an umbrella term when they are referring only to those barbaric desert faiths.
@tonycatman "Bit of a misinterpretation from Deuteronomy about the crying loud enough when being raped there by Sam Harris. There are plenty of weird passages in the Bible without having to make them up.
Ya, there sure are a lot of weird passages in the bible, good of you to notice. And anything that can be construed as "weird" would naturally be subject to varied interpretation including Deuteronomy. Your arrogance shown so bright it blinded you to your own blatant, self contradiction.
@nosajj12345 You mean "shone so bright", surely ? Thank you for pointing out my arrogance, however I think my pedantry is a far more obvious personal trait. However, my personal attributes have nothing whatever to do with the validity of my critiism.
...and I am in now way self contradictory. Perhaps you failed to see which side of the fence I sit on ?
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This doesn't make sense. It's an eunuch of a man talking only about women, and using such sexist ideas to fuel religious bigotry. And no, I am not a muslim. I just refuse REFUSE. Where is his analysis of western husband killers who engage in the same tyranny from a matriarchal standpoint from Daddy Government worship? Oh, that's right, that's not conducive to his "platform." Ideology FAIL.
@EvilsOfFeminism You do realize that western societies are demonstrably patriarchial and that women, regardless of what the law actually states, are not treated equally?
Have you ever studied actual matriarchial societies or are you just ranting from the position of wounded privilege? As with most men of your ilk, you're just mad because you're finally being forced to share just a portion of your traditional power and clout.
Quit hating women and just go be gay. We won't miss you.
@ciaochowbella What the hell are you talking about? Sam Harris is not gay. He is a champion of women's rights. He is pointing out the atrocities against women in religion not promoting it.
Shutup you fucking feminist cunt; I could argue the exact same thing about males positions in society now, you want to feel what its like to be treated unequally for being a woman? Then leave the comfort of your 1st world, western country and experience true inequity. Life has its hardships for all of us you stupid bitch, if you want to hide behind your feminist propaganda go right ahead, but be prepared to cop plenty of flack for it.
@ajnode Just because I have it better here than I would in Saudia Arabia or Somalia is no reason to think I am treated equally. Women don't recieve equal pay for equal work, equal treatment under the law, equal access to healthcare or equal treatment when victimized. You cannot argue the same of men since it's demonstrably untrue.
BTW, the ad hominem really demonstrates your level of intellect. Thanks for sharing.
One other thing, equal rights for ALL includes you.
Don't listen this hick. He was probably left by his girlfriend and has never been able to get over it...
Women still are not equal. That's something that should change, I mean it and I'm a guy.
Nonetheless, men are facing another problem, they need better role models. In Education, for instance, I wonder why we don't have more men teaching, we need those role model to show kids that being a hard worker is not just "for girls"...
I love how when there is a male who doesn't like the feminist BULLSHIT you turn to the only female defense "OH MY GOD HE MUST HAVE GOTTEN LEFT BY HIS GIRLFRIEND" - Self-proclaimed psychologist? "Hard worker is not just for girls", yeah, forget the thousands of years men were DOING FUCKING EVERYTHING, women have been at this level in CERTAIN COUNTRIES for less than fucking 40 years... THAT MEANS FUCK ALL YOU STUPID BITCH!
What you said was not so bad. But just because you finish your argument with "THAT MEANS FUCK ALL YOU STUPID BITCH" spoils everything. You lost your credibility.
If you hate women, stay single or be gay, there is no point of discussing.
And by hard workers, I was talking about education, therefore, studies. Yes, girls suceed better than guys and I have a problem with that. I would like to see guys better at school, otherwise, we'll just have to use our strengh doing shitty jobs
@ghune You know, the education gap between girls and boys has reversed in the last 30 years. Formerly, it was boys who made better grades and got higher levels of education. Which shows that if allowed, women can surpass men in many areas. Brute physical strength aside, women are as capable as men.
It isn't that boys don't have hard working role models, it's that girls took the ball and ran with it.
It happens EVERY time you give women a fair chance of success. They succeed.
@ciaochowbella women succeed? they've been earning degrees in our feminized education system for decades and they've yet to invent or produce anything of real value to society other than be additional units in corporations. Instead of taking time off to raising kids, they're more than happy than to hand their children over to state-facilities to be crushed.
@Sivels Men don't have to choose between having a family and having a career so why should women? Yet time and again, if a woman wants to have a career, she's forced to choose. And even when women DO remain childless and choose the career, they seldom are allowed to rise in the ranks as men, rarely make as much as men and rarely have the same power.
I don't know what "state-facilities to be crushed" means, but it sounds like melodramatic bullshit to me.
@ciaochowbella So why should women? They shouldn't have to do anything unless it makes them happy, so if a woman wants to have a career similarly to that of a woman she should not have children. There's not group such as "men" and "women", there are just individuals, there are plenty of women that rank higher than men, does that mean that all women rank higher than all men? That's what you're saying. THe fact that more men are more successful is based on merit and hard work.
@Sivels I'm only going to address one comment per comment. You don't get to have your preaching and speechifying encouraged. Be brief and germane to the issue. Stick to ONE point.
The education system is harmful to boys in so many ways, more so than girls. It crushes creativity and turns people into worker bees. Girls benefit a lot more from having to sit down for hours and draw unicorns while boys are shamed and vilified for wanting to go out and discover stuff.
@Sivels I'm not buying that new story. See, the problem with your idea that school favors girls over boys is that until about 30 years ago, boys did better than girls in that exact, same system. In fact, it's more creative and free than it ever was before.
All they did was give girls a fair chance and they succeeded. Now people want to somehow blame the system that boys previously excelled in for their lack of success.
BTW, you're showing your sexism. Lots of girls love to explore outside.
@ciaochowbella no, education is not freer than it was before, school hours have increased, kids are increasingly held in closed, monitored areas and the material they are presented with has become less and less relevant to their survival and livelihood by rather focusing on cultural conformity.
I'm not sexist by pointing out that boys are way more physically active than girls, but sure, some girls enjoy exploring outside as well.
@Sivels You weren't pointing out a gender difference when you patronizingly described sitting still for class as drawing unicorns. You were being sexist and stereotyping both genders falsely.
Please cite your sources for you ideas about modern education. Everything I've seen says something quite different.
Girls used to be vilified and mocked for wanting an education. Now, they're encouraged and surpassing boys. This angers some and now they wish to re-stack the deck to favor boys again.
@ciaochowbella Personal experience and observations as well as complaints from my younger brother about some of the reading material which is generally speaking completely unfascinating, boys are not presented with books with strong, masculine leads that inspire a love of reading in them. Instead, school is associated with unpleasant authority, boredom, cultural conformity etc. Study after study shows male academic achievement is in decline.
@Sivels Male academic achievement is in decline ONLY when compared with female achievement. Anecdotes are not evidence.
School has ALWAYS been associated with unpleasant authority, boredom, conformity, etc. That doesn't mean diddly.
You need to pick a side. First, you say males are more successful because their traits are more desired, then you claim female traits are more preferred. You seem confused.
And again, ONE COMMENT PER COMMENT. If I can be brief. So can you.
@ciaochowbella No, male scores have actually decreased compared to a few decades ago.
That's why I'm for the abolishing of public education.
In modern society, female traits (in men and women) are desired and masculinity is deemed either an evil or it is sold as being a servant (soldier, white knight/doormat for women) and not the traits associated with masculinity which are completely lacking in modern society: reason/rationality, calmness, principals (although it's still desired by many men)
@ciaochowbella google it or search wiki, but boys are attending college and even graduating high school in decreasing numbers, there are countless articles on this, but perhaps your misandry keeps you from seeing anything that might be something wrong with the schooling institutions of today. See? I can make ridiculous graceless assumptions and accusations as well when I'm out of arguments and won't admit it.
BTW, it's not misandry to want ALL people to have equal rights, opportunity and treatment regardless of gender or race.
One other thing.....there is no such thing as female or male social traits. There are tendencies that can be exibited by either gender but that might show up more often in one or the other. Whether those traits are biologically based or socially ingrained is still debated.
@ciaochowbella I'm against equality, I value some over others, I am against discrimination however. A high tech engineer is not equal to some lowlife bottomfeeder.
No it's not debated, it's confirmed that men and woman from the same race are more different than two men from different races. physiological differences, size, differences in brain size (and centers), hormonal differences and different instincts developed through natural selection. Completely uncontroversial.
@Sivels I believe in equal OPPORTUNITY, equal treatment under the law and equal rights. Indeed, achievement and character do determine whether a person is socially equal, but that's another issue.
@ciaochowbella more differences include the time it takes for boys to fully develop their brains and bodies in comparison to girls who fully develop significantly quicker due to smaller size and less muscular bodies and smaller skeleton.
Treating everyone as equals is destructive since different people have different needsm different ways of learning and need different methods of guidance. This is well established outside radfem dogma.
@ciaochowbella pointing out gender differences is not sexist and you shouldn't accuse me of it just because I have a different stance from your own, that's a disservice to people who actually are victims of sexism.
@ciaochowbella Female traits r preferred because they're more convenient to authority, this mirrors well the increasingly authoritarian trends in society.
@ghune Men are teaching, just not at the elementary levels. There are progressively more men teaching as you go up the grades after elementary school. This progression continues into the university level, with men teaching around 90% of PhD level courses.
Thats complete bullshit, women do NOT get the same workload as men, espcially in the labour force. It's more like "Hey mate, you have fifty 25kg boxes to carry up two flights of stairs", would this be given to a female? Fuck no, its given to me and the girls go mop the floor. Equal work? Fuck off, the pay is EQUAL though - so while I'm slogging my guts out carrying shit, the girls have to hold a stick... While getting the same fucking pay as me - sounds like a FAIR world right?
@ajnode Your little anecdote only serves to demonstrate your bitterness and ignorance.
In the US, women tend to have higher levels of education, yet still get less pay. There are fewer female executives and business owners and women are not promoted at the same rate as men.
Most work in the US is not heavy, physical labor. Perhaps you should have gotten an education.
You do not have to take my word for it. You can Google "pay discrepancy between men and women" and see for yourself.
Most... Work? Where the fuck did you pull that from? And you call me ignorant and bitter? Looking at your display picture I notice the common insecure over-editing of the photo, highly contrasted, looking away from the camera even though you were fully aware of the SELF photo you were about to take. You're clearly overweight and hope that the high contrast will mask both the fatness and ugliness. If you want to spend your life angry at other people for your misfortune, go ahead.
@ciaochowbella first of all pathetic shaming, stick to the argumentation (assumptions), dear.
Western societies are male-dominates because men are more ambitious, more intelligent (on average 4 iq points), produce far more geniuses, more rational, more productive and innovative. Men didn't create civilization that protects women today by keeping down women, they did it by merit.
@ciaochowbella Women are not equal, true, but the fact is that most women don't WANT to be equal. The traditional view of males as protectors is still VERY much in force. Ladies before gentlemen, likewise. There are other examples, I'm sure you can think of some. These women don't want any of the negativity of inequality, but all the positivity. If a silly woman mouths off at me, I am not allowed to hit her, (yes, I know I am more honourable than some so called 'men'). as I would a man. Equal?
@SouthernStand So what if some women don't WANT to be equal? that should have no effect on the application of the law or protections under the law or opportunities for housing and employment. Equal rights doesn't mean one has to USE those rights, just that they are available. I'm sure that during the time of slavery, there were slaves who were happy being slaves.
Equality doesn't have to negate courtesy.
You're not allowed to hit a MAN who mouths off to you. It's illegal too!
@SouthernStand You could hit me and I'd hit you right back with whatever object I could find that would equalize our physical capabilities.It's interesting you would use this argument with women but not with children. Most children are weaker than men; is it wrong to make consessions for that fact while still seeing them as equal human beings? And believe me, not all women want the 'positivity' of inequality. If you know such a woman then she's a waste of your time.You're clearly a chauvenist
@ciaochowbella WTF. Western Societies also attribute more responsibility to men. If there is a war, we get drafted. We Pay more child support and have less power in making decisions for our children, not to mention less reproductive rights.
Also, statistically women get sentenced to 40 % less time than men for the exact same crimes. If you care about equality between humans why dont you be a humanist instead of feminist. BITCH
@Hamjam117 With greater privilege SHOULD come more responsibility. Men have as many reproductive rights as they wish. I don't know anyone in the last 40+ years who has been drafted, so step out of your time machine.
Women make less money for the same jobs, are more likely to have their criminal complaints ignored (especially for sex crimes) and are more likely to be victims of violent crime according to the FBI.
Just listen to all the religions and you get the impression that they were invented by people couldn't get laid and therefore nursed an unnatural hatred towards women.
honor killing has nothing to do with islam? i must have misread then the newspapers of my hometown (hamburg/germany) quite a lot of times because multiple times in the last three years have brothers or fathers killed their sister/daughter just because of that and admitted it in court.
Al-Ghazali, most influential Muslim since Mohammed peace be upon him...simply put:Mohammed had THOUSANDS of companions that are greater than any Muslim after them.
@saudiUTUBE but you didnt refute anything, you just expressed annoyance at his words.
These things cannot be disputed: Islam pays regard to the veracity of the old testament, Islam is fanatical about female virtue, Koran specifies beating a disobdient wife, Al-Ghazali is regarded as a bedrock scholar/interpreter of Islam (merely carrying the message of the original faithful forward).
@saudiUTUBE Oh, so Islam is not worth defending? That's what you're saying when you refuse to back up your assertions. If it is the wonderful way of life that you claim, then please, explain why women are required to produce 4 witnesses for a rape or can only inherit half what her brothers will. Please enlighten us as to why a woman's word is worth half a man's in court. Teach us why women are considered unclean due to their reproductive capabilities.
@saudiUTUBE Islam is a blatant plagiarism of Christianity and both have an unhealthy obssession with virginity and owning women's sexuality. Both faiths teach that women are inferior to men, unclean simply by their nature and that their "rebellion" must be curbed to the constraints of men. Both faiths value virginity above the life of a woman and consider women expendable commodities to be bought, sold, bartered and stolen. Women can even be punished for being raped.
I agree with much of this. There is a glimmer of hope in the New Testament in the role of Mary Magdalene, who seems to be independent, and who has the honoured role of first witness to the resurrection and messenger to the disciples. The aspect of this figure as 'apostle to the apostles' rather makes a mockery of arguments against female ordination, and also contradicts the domestic role St Paul ordained for the female sex.
let me correct this dumb piece of shit.MAN IS NOT IN IMAGE OF GOD.what a flabbergastin, outragous rubbish to say islam teaches this.thank you very much mr Sam Harris, that really shows how twisted and ignorant you are about islam.islam gives women fair rights, there is no gender equality.men and women are spiritually equal.yess
@aguteempasil i know that judaism and christianity both claim man is in image of god, just like they claim that god had a son or he has daughters, they have very twisted understanding of theology.BUT PLEASE SIR, DONT MAKE ME ANGRY BY TRYING TO TELL ME ABOUT MY RELIGION.FOR US, GOD IS UNIQUE IN EVERY WAY AND HE CERTAINLY HAS NOCHILDREN.WE MANKIND ARE JUST ONE OF OTHER CREATURES OF GOD.
@abdullahalmahmood im not trying to make you angry and writing in capitols isn't going to help anything. all im doing is saying that it is my understanding that islam, like the related two, believe man was created in the image of god. really shouldn't be a topic of debate as i was more seeking confirmation than arguing. your religion also believe the genesis tale right? adam and eve?
@aguteempasil like the related two, no sir, islam is clear from the fiflth and paganism that jews added to their religions and their books that allah has sent down to them.throughout history, there have been over 24 000 versions and translations of bible, but there was always one quran.every other religion modified and changed, but islam is as fresh as the first day.and yess the quran also talks about adam and eve
@abdullahalmahmood so your saying they all believe the genesis story, hence other legends that come after genesis, but aren't related? fair enough the qur'an hasn't really been tainted with but the same cannot be said for the hadith. the fact is they are related, because they all stem from the same belief system regardless of what they preach today. religious evolution.
@aguteempasil what legends, you mean 10 year old daud (david) beheading goliath (jalut) the tyranical giant, yes that as well.regarding the hadith, there are two hadith books which are a 100% straigh from the messenger (saw), bukhari and muslim, and some other, that is because, these men would go through such hardship and starvation, torture to gather these authentic hadiths.and every time they would think about including a saying, they would think a 1000 timesand sweat before they did it
@abdullahalmahmood and you honestly think that the hadith(s) couldnt be tampered with? im sorry but that is gullible of you. ive read a few hadith verses, and they are violent to say the least. could they have come from your supposed peaceful messenger too?
@aguteempasil the hadith in bukhari and muslim are a 100% authentic my friend.i promise you, anyone who tryied to change a word from the quran, or authentic hadith would recieve savere punishments. and every hadith in these 2 books are straight from the messenger of allah, all violence that was taken was necessary and just, can you give me an example of what you read exactly
@abdullahalmahmood well i couldnt recite them off the top of my head whether of women or tolerance of others. but there are two kinds of muslims in my understanding, those that believe the authenticity of the hadith and those that deny the hadith totally or partially. couldnt you except it as a possibility that some may be fabricated?
@aguteempasil absolutely, many hadith have been fabricated, but like i said, the ones in muslim and bukhari are 100% authentic, many in abudawud are authentic, but some have a weak chain of narration.some hadith are fabricated, but we know which ones they are, we know which ones are strong and weak.no one said all hadith are authentic
I think no one but complete fools would want to treat their women in the way that the religious words say. That would make me feel like an abusive prick. I think all women have as much right to do anything they want to do as much as man does. So if being good to the woman I'm in love with is a sin, then i think that I'll live with it. But then again, every man or woman isn't without sin.
You know- none of these problems would even exist if men (and women to some degree) had valued the female role more highly. Of COURSE women are going to be uncontent if men constantly put them down as weak, No fecking wonder.
I'm sure you h8 a lot of things sweetie. the biggest thing you probably h8 are your own babies that might get in the way of your college degree, your career, and your ways of being an old maid in training. Along with the sex in the city VD chaser.
Honey, it really bothers me when some women look down on others because they don't have children I would finish my degree, get a better career because of it then have kids, therefore my kids would have a better start to life. We don't need women like you thinking that just because women choose education over childbirth are missing out. and it appears you definatley put your education first with your 'h8'
also if you want to make kids your life, fine go ahead, just don't pity others because they don't. having kids/being a mother doesn't define you Im sure a lot of other women out there would agree that theres more to life than squeezing out kids. I'd also like to set a good role model for my daughters, that life isn't about finding a husband/kids. Im sure youll be very satisfied with your life at the end, just think about all the wonderful you couldve learnt/done if you didn't make kids your life
Much more to life? What ensuring a large chunk of displaced, weak men, with which to marry, when she realizes her empowered eggs won't fertilize themselves. And she needs to find some feminized effeminate man to father her children, and he best be a domesticated bill payer, know how to provide 24 hour security, pay the majority of the bills, fix the roof, the flat tire, and do as many chores as she can guilt him into.
@sophilianate All that happened with "empowered" women, is now they have no choice, they have to work. Even if they wanted to stay home with the kids. Nothing like a domestic slave as some corporations busy body wife, protecting a 20k job in a cubicle, and nothing like letting the children raise themselves.
everyone has to work, otherwise it's a waste Men have to work, so don't women? Yes they have choice, but why would anyone chose to scrap any hope of possibly doing something more with your life, than just changing nappies and making sandwiches.When children hit like 8, you don't need to be around them all the time, they're not babies. or when they're teenagers.
I would never look fondly on a domestic housewife, where has your life gone? just living through your kids? seems fairly pointless to me. espesically when your kids leave home...then what? just taking care of your husband? he's 40 he's not stupid, just seems very demeaning.
Let's be honest sophilianate, the west will be dominated by a modern patriarchy, or a barbaric one, so let's end this girl power diversity movement. all it seems to empower are welfare queens and the wests ghettofication.
Now hold on Verlch-I agree this whole female separatist movement is kind of silly, but we don't need as you say a "modern patriarchy". What we need is as little favoritism/special treatment as possible. Equality means that you will be given the same treatment as everyone else, whether you have a dick or a vagina.
@Verlch lmao, sorry dear. How could a 'weaker vessel' create soemthing stronger than itself? You have some serious woman-issues and I'd hazard a guess that you a threatened. The power to give life is more than anything you can hope to achieve.
@WizardsStaff what I was saying is that the west is dominated right now by a modern patriarchy. They allowed feminism as a way to weaken the West. Which is why Russia had no place for feminism, and promptly deported them to the West.
Well I mean, if we are talking immediate survival I would make the sandwich, but in the long run it would probably just make me fat and not give the psychological benefits one receives from good sex. If it makes you feel any better I would make a girl I cared for a sandwich and indulge whatever sexual fantasy she may have. The final step on our sandwich, fellatio, and cunninglus laden road to equality is getting off of our high horses-both men and women.
well I like you then, plus there isn't any bigger turn off than a sexist man, however on the other hand there is nothing sexier than a man who actually treats women with respect. I mean what kind of women would be attracted by a man who thought she was worth less than him, it's beyond me.
It never ceases to amaze me how some "men's rights" advocates insist that women have been treated like queens for all of human history and that men are the only victims in the world. It seems like men are better than women...at being arrogant self-absorbed crybabies.
Newsflash, women want strong alpha males that can meet their needs, and provide and protect them. they don't like the beta, limp wristed men who do everything their ever demanding wives want.
Either we are successful or we perish. we dno't have State run affirmative action, child support, alimony, or other providers to fall back on.
Newsflash, men and women are hardwired different, and most women are not happy in all things male.
as long as u dont have a penis your still a woman . I think you've taken my posts a little to serious there meant to have a kind of dry sarcastic sense of humor to them but its hard to show that over typing lol
yeh . I dont lump all women into a single category . Im just saying that nothing is perfect. the old religious view of women is crap yes as it treats them pretty much like cattle with little independence. But modern western view of women is also not gr8.its part of the reason why so many men treat women like objects ,of course the behavior i describe of some women doesn't apply to most . And i can put myself in there perspective as certain behavior can be attributed to past experiences .
The modern view of women? That's more than a little vague. A misogynist's view will obviously differ from a person who respects women. However, the actual laws in our culture that govern men and women at least try to provide equal protection for both genders. That's more than can be said about the laws under the Abrahamic holy books. So don't try to deflect criticism away from theses barbaric texts by alluding a few examples of women being objectified. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Wow this has attracted a lot of angry men. I don't think all young women today are vile drunken sluts- a product of pornified culture. Some maybe but look at young men and how they are affected by the same cultural phenomenon. They actively seek out and watch porn in which women are gangbanged, choked, slapped etc.. and then go out on weekends to drink go to stripclubs and cause fights on our streets. Some young people of both genders are out of control, most are well adjusted.
you can't just generalise like that and say that all women are 'vile drunken sluts' well fuck you, if you think all women are vile. and if some women are that way because of a pornified culture, isn't that because of men? yet again
Or consider the treatment of unborn babies that stand in the way of woman and their poverty wage jobs supporting their illegitimate brew of fatherless bastards.
You are right ladies, who needs men when you can marry the State.
Good comment . Although i disagree with the ancient views of women in religion what is the modern alternative?. To be childless sluts and loud vile drunks , to follow the ever so classy celebrity's and their drug and alcohol fueled lifestyles that are rammed down our throats 24/7? To treat abortion like a form of birth control and then to scratch their heads when men treat them as nothing more than sex objects?. Porn and this culture is more degrading to women than anything else.
This is very true . A woman wants exactly the same things as men in life now , but still wants specialist treatment and benefits. They want to work the same hours as men and drink the same amount of beer as vikings , but they still demand gentlemen and for a man to spend money on them and take them out. Lots of these independent women struggle to understand why they are lonely and childless .and the others just enjoy living like the cast of sex and the city . sod it all thats what i say!
equality is a joke. if i didn't already say it, they want the best of both worlds the best of being a man, and a woman. and they want easy street for being a woman, and strive for equal outcomes. we have to cheer every time a woman breaks wind in a place millions of men have before her. meanwhile, her biological clock dies and her last eggs dribbles down the toilet.
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The Bible and Koran held these views for good reason: Because females, by their very nature, are deceptive, lying, cheating whores, and must be domesticated by men for there to be any sort of civil society. We need only see the results of the last 50 years of the modern feminist movement/sexual revolution to understand how destructive females are when allowed to dominate society and hold major influence over men and boys. E.g. fems have ruined the public educational system under their control.
Wow, cause you men did such a good job ruling the world. War after war after war after war... (rape, rape, rape, rape...)
Now you're judging every women like we're all the same? I'm a thinking human being just like you. What gives you the right to lord over a woman just because you were born with a penis rather than a vulva?
Sounds like you're scared of educated, thinking women. Why? We're all human, so get over yourself!
Well, now you're judging every man like we're all the same, i.e., all want war. 99.99% of men do not want war. It's the .01% who start and flame wars, and those are the men (and many women) who should dangle from the gallows. And it's the same with violent rape that's committed by a very small % of men, yet you lump all men together. Men protect women. Conversely, there are a very small % of females who think logically and even have a clue what it takes to maintain a rational, affluent society.
Sam Harris, you are amazing. You say what many people think. Thank you so much for your outspoken defense of reasonable people who desire a more loving, connected, and egalitarian world.
Again. There should be more MEN like you. Luckily these old points of view are giving way to a new morality where women are seen as they truly are, (at least in Western Countries).
im an atheist and in no way support any religion. however, he needs to remember that religion was also greatly influenced by the era in which it was formed. much of the patriarchal tonality in the 'holy' books was due to the secular cultures which suggested the said anti-femme ideology.
That's a good point, but I think what Sam is driving at is that these books have frozen those primitive ideas in time. Having faith in these books is creating a protective shell around ignorance.
Not only that, but the abrahamic religions have created a male god to cement the ultimate authority of men over women. Patriarchy would not have succeeded if people had continued worshipping the goddess, like they did for 25,000 years. This was stamped out around the time of the bible, and the OT is full of paranoia about people worshipping other gods. What this means is that they didn't want female icons to be worshipped. Women had to be subjegated.
if only theists would watch all of sams videos,the world would be a better place.
JESUStheATHEIST1 3 weeks ago
Fabulous , well said, Sam!
minnescanada 1 month ago
The 'mis'treatment of women is the next great frontier we have to tackle as the human race. Obediance? Oh FUCK THAT! I'd never obey any man, or any person. Step up women; fight for your rights even if you can only do it in a small way.
GrissomLovesSara 1 month ago 3
There are an awful lot of Judge Judy videos being recommended, is she Sam Harris' mother?
GummoNZ 1 month ago
Just to add, science again shows us more than religion, all humans start out as female and so it is men that are made from women, not the other way around.
JovialJewels 2 months ago 12
@JovialJewels hahahaha your're silly everyone starts as a hermaphrodite! everyone who has followed biology in the modern world (Europe, usas and Japan) knows that! When you are in the hermaphrodite state your're sex is determined and then your're genitials are formed..... It's really sad that you lack this wonderful sienctific knowlegde, poor thing...
Mtbdrum 2 months ago
@Mtbdrum You are correct, i did not give the proper account. What I should have said was that the natural state for humans in female. The Wolffian ducts (for males) naturally die off unless there is a substance to inhibit the Müllerian ducts (female). So if you prefer, men are a mutation of the default state of humans. I hope that clarifies my statements.
JovialJewels 2 months ago
@JovialJewels Ok but your're saying that female is the default state, however that's noet correct. Both female and male are formed after the hermaphrodite state. So if you prefer, both femal and male are a genetic determined mutation after the default state of being genderless.
Mtbdrum 2 months ago
@Mtbdrum I'm sorry but that's not true. Males and females start with undifferentiated gonads and both Müllerian and Wolffian ducts yes, so this is an androgynous state to start. But as the fetus develops the Wolffian ducts will decay, unless there are chemicals released to inhibit the Müllerian ducts and protect the Wolffian ducts. So without intervention humans, by default, become female as the fetus develops. If an XY fetus doesn't produce these chemicals they develop female, see AIS
JovialJewels 2 months ago
@JovialJewels Interessting I didn't no that, but how can you explain that this is not the case with our ape brethren?
Mtbdrum 2 months ago
@Mtbdrum I have no idea if this is or is not the case with apes, I would assume it is but I do not know for sure. I have no experience with zoology, sorry. You say that it isn't the case with apes, would you mind explaining that?
JovialJewels 2 months ago
@JovialJewels I'm not a zoologist either but I know someone who is. He told met that what you're claiming is not the case with ape's though if he should explain it here it would take a long time. Let's go back to humans, you say that female is the default state, but why don't males act like women?
Mtbdrum 2 months ago
@Mtbdrum Are you sure you are not mixing up terms? I just looked over your previous post and if you mean that both males and females are "initially" androgynous that is true. All I am saying is that as the babies develop they become female by default, they do start as you say. And men are not like women due to the SRY gene which causes the chemicals to alter the fetus to become male. As for acting, there culture and society also play a role and sex typed behavior beyond the chemicals
JovialJewels 2 months ago
@JovialJewels You're right I was mixing up terms. But I have one last question: Why would the fetus go from the hermaphrodite state to the female default state and then develope into a male fetus. It's a detour. And I asked my friend about animals and he said that the female default state only occurs with ape's monkeys and humans and not with dogs, by the way male dogs don't have nippels. Human males do. So why does a human fetus take a detour?
Mtbdrum 2 months ago
@Mtbdrum Sorry, skippy, ALL mammals go through the "female default state". You're not well versed on your embryology. Your friend is also misinformed.
Oh, most male mammals have nipples that correspond to the nipples on the female of their species. Pigs, dogs, cats....male nipples are easily visible.
Might I kindly suggest that you can use the internet to educate yourself on these issues. You have a world of info at your fingertips and you're ignoring it.
ciaochowbella 1 month ago
@ciaochowbella haha I would use the internet but you can't trust the internet and I'm to lazy to check if a website is trustworthy (even though I have taken computer studies and it's very easy to check hehe :D) but is there an other reason for this argument than every women being proud that every man had to go to a women state! Because deep down it's important to you, ohterwise you wouldn't reacted this aggressive...
Mtbdrum 1 month ago
@Mtbdrum I didn't "react aggressive" as you so pithily stated. I corrected your mistaken ideas. Frankly, I wouldn't care if we went through a marshmallow phase because it has no real bearing on how we end up. I don't take pride in the facts of nature. I just like them to be accurate.
However, if you're too lazy to use the internet to learn with the flimsy excuse of unreliability, then try a book. Those are still in existence and are full of info! You have no excuse for ignorance.
ciaochowbella 1 month ago
@JovialJewels O sorry I meant apes, monkeys and humans
Mtbdrum 2 months ago
@JovialJewels not really - sexual organs or not, male or female is based upon the XX or the XY combination of chromosomes
Cattaclysmic 1 month ago
@Cattaclysmic Chromosomes are not the be all and end all of sex. There are quite a few people who are genotypically male but their phenotype is female. Look up intersex conditions. It is quite possible to have a baby girl that is XY.
JovialJewels 1 month ago
@JovialJewels
Err, wrong - you start out either male or female. Your genetic code says from the first moment on what you will be. XX - you are female, XY - you are male. When the phenotypical expression starts to show is completely irrelevant.
It is a femenist myth that all live starts female...
Asperger0815 1 week ago
@Asperger0815 When I posted that I had a lengthy discussion afterwords with someone on the nuts and bolts and I clarified that I meant female is the default for humanity. And actually there is a much larger variety than just XX and XY and there are females who have XY genes. Biology is rarely so simple.
JovialJewels 1 week ago
@JovialJewels i understand where you are coming from, but statements like this keep people focused on very insignificant issues such as who cam from whom, completely irrelevant in today's society.
MoonGrizzlyCJ 4 days ago
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xbriannaxbananax 2 months ago
1Peter in chapter 3 says. "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way showing honour to the woman as the weacker vessel, since they are ares with you of the grace of life, so that your prayer smay not be hindered." And by the way, I am positive that is better than someone like you could ever do, Sam.
desasterz 2 months ago
And I sure wouldn't be surprised even though he points out these striking points for women from religious point of view that they would still believe in... god!
Nostalgicvideos 3 months ago
Life is about competition, being an organism is about being part of the stronger group - women don't want equality, they want control; political correctness has all but destroyed the patriarchal rule, perhaps not on the top rungs of the economic ladder but the bottom 99% of it is now dominated by women. Guys, you wanted to be nice and fair and you let it go, now young boys grow up being told to be more like GIRLS, be quiet and submissive, don't be loud and play and cause a ruckus, FUCK THAT SHIT
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
do u know that if three men accuse a woman of adultery in islam...even if they have seen her sexual organ being penetrated with their naked eyes...u know what happens..the three men get 80 lashes..also if a man accuses his wife of adultery and she denies..the judge has to believe the woman...that's written in the quran..just read it before judging it
daoudhaz 7 months ago
btw...forced marriages are religiously not allowed...also genital mutilation...that's all tradition...these practices are religiously prohibited by authentic sayings of the prophet (peace be upon him)...look up the reliable sources urself
daoudhaz 7 months ago
guys..i'm sick of this...read the WHOLE Quran urself..don't pick and choose and u'll know the truth...i've read it several times myself...ahh sorry i forgot the testimony thing..that's in special cases and even in these cases there's a debate among scholars..if u really wanna know the truth read the Quran urself
daoudhaz 7 months ago
as for women getting half as much of the inheritance as their brothers..that's because in islam a woman never has to pay for herself...the financial duty is that of her husband and if she works she gets to keep the money for herself..and if she's not married then her father is in charge of her..and if her father is dead then her brother..her money is just for her..she's never responsible for anyone financially..that's why she gets half as much..and that's in specific cases not all the time
daoudhaz 7 months ago
I'm a Muslim..and I say what he said about islam is absolute rubbish..in islam women are not made in the image of men..that's the bible...also i don't know where he got the information that alghazali is the second most influencial man in islam..that's a lie..because until lately i hadn't even heard of this man...also islam prohibited burrying female babies alive...a tradition which arabs used to practice in pre-islamic history...Khadeeja..the wife of the prophet was a successful business woman
daoudhaz 7 months ago
@daoudhaz Which is probably why you put tents over your women and forbid them to drive cars? Bah, arguing about what religions really *are* is like arguing over the length of Santa's beard. You can do it. But it gets you no presents.
TomFynn 5 months ago 2
@TomFynn
look how prejudiced u r??? "put tents over ur women"...what do u mean?? i'm egyptian..have u come to egypt and seen the women here..u probably know nothing more then what u c on tv and internet...second thing..have u ever talked to a muslim woman and asked her why she wears the head scarf..if she's forced or not?...plz do...don't stereotype 1.6 billion people...because it's really not smart to do so
daoudhaz 5 months ago
@daoudhaz You made a claim as to how in Islam women are equal to men. To say that this is the case for Egypt is not the same. *You* are generalizing.
TomFynn 5 months ago
I think Sam Harris puts things in a way that even Christians might stop and realize how nasty their beliefs are. For a short while anyway until they get re-charged on brainwash Sundays. As for Muslims, they're too far gone to see anything.
cvanunen 7 months ago
Sam Harris gives my brain a boner
CatFacedKillers 8 months ago
191 to 3 there is still hope in this world.
Battery9876 8 months ago
when he says religion he actually means abrahamic religion and it fucking irritates me to no end when people use the term religion as an umbrella term when they are referring only to those barbaric desert faiths.
PrimitiveByNature 8 months ago
Bit of a misinterpretation from Deuteronomy about the crying loud enough when being raped there by Sam Harris.
There are plenty of weird passages in the Bible without having to make them up.
tonycatman 8 months ago
@tonycatman "Bit of a misinterpretation from Deuteronomy about the crying loud enough when being raped there by Sam Harris. There are plenty of weird passages in the Bible without having to make them up.
Ya, there sure are a lot of weird passages in the bible, good of you to notice. And anything that can be construed as "weird" would naturally be subject to varied interpretation including Deuteronomy. Your arrogance shown so bright it blinded you to your own blatant, self contradiction.
nosajj12345 7 months ago
@nosajj12345 You mean "shone so bright", surely ? Thank you for pointing out my arrogance, however I think my pedantry is a far more obvious personal trait. However, my personal attributes have nothing whatever to do with the validity of my critiism.
...and I am in now way self contradictory. Perhaps you failed to see which side of the fence I sit on ?
tonycatman 7 months ago
@ 1:00: poor "Adam"... where did he get his maternally inherited Mitochondrial DNA and 3 Y Chromosomes from? ;]
SHRIAO 9 months ago
He looks like Ben stiller!
DrAmorphos 9 months ago
Hitchens is right when he says that religion is not just man made, it's MALE made.
dustlandfairy 11 months ago 33
@dustlandfairy the books were written by bronze age dirt farmers
phildirt3 3 months ago 2
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This doesn't make sense. It's an eunuch of a man talking only about women, and using such sexist ideas to fuel religious bigotry. And no, I am not a muslim. I just refuse REFUSE. Where is his analysis of western husband killers who engage in the same tyranny from a matriarchal standpoint from Daddy Government worship? Oh, that's right, that's not conducive to his "platform." Ideology FAIL.
EvilsOfFeminism 11 months ago
@EvilsOfFeminism have you watched his other videos or read the end of faith or did you just land on this video and go off?
kennywu2k10 11 months ago
@EvilsOfFeminism You do realize that western societies are demonstrably patriarchial and that women, regardless of what the law actually states, are not treated equally?
Have you ever studied actual matriarchial societies or are you just ranting from the position of wounded privilege? As with most men of your ilk, you're just mad because you're finally being forced to share just a portion of your traditional power and clout.
Quit hating women and just go be gay. We won't miss you.
ciaochowbella 11 months ago 25
@ciaochowbella What the hell are you talking about? Sam Harris is not gay. He is a champion of women's rights. He is pointing out the atrocities against women in religion not promoting it.
baxtar1963 5 months ago 2
@baxtar1963 I never said Sam Harris was gay. I KNOW he's a proponent of the equality of women.
Please read my comment again and more carefully this time. I was addressing the commenter, not the lovely Mr. Harris.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago 2
@ciaochowbella
Shutup you fucking feminist cunt; I could argue the exact same thing about males positions in society now, you want to feel what its like to be treated unequally for being a woman? Then leave the comfort of your 1st world, western country and experience true inequity. Life has its hardships for all of us you stupid bitch, if you want to hide behind your feminist propaganda go right ahead, but be prepared to cop plenty of flack for it.
ajnode 4 months ago
@ajnode Just because I have it better here than I would in Saudia Arabia or Somalia is no reason to think I am treated equally. Women don't recieve equal pay for equal work, equal treatment under the law, equal access to healthcare or equal treatment when victimized. You cannot argue the same of men since it's demonstrably untrue.
BTW, the ad hominem really demonstrates your level of intellect. Thanks for sharing.
One other thing, equal rights for ALL includes you.
ciaochowbella 4 months ago 7
@ciaochowbella
Don't listen this hick. He was probably left by his girlfriend and has never been able to get over it...
Women still are not equal. That's something that should change, I mean it and I'm a guy.
Nonetheless, men are facing another problem, they need better role models. In Education, for instance, I wonder why we don't have more men teaching, we need those role model to show kids that being a hard worker is not just "for girls"...
ghune 3 months ago
@ghune
I love how when there is a male who doesn't like the feminist BULLSHIT you turn to the only female defense "OH MY GOD HE MUST HAVE GOTTEN LEFT BY HIS GIRLFRIEND" - Self-proclaimed psychologist? "Hard worker is not just for girls", yeah, forget the thousands of years men were DOING FUCKING EVERYTHING, women have been at this level in CERTAIN COUNTRIES for less than fucking 40 years... THAT MEANS FUCK ALL YOU STUPID BITCH!
ajnode 3 months ago
@ajnode
What you said was not so bad. But just because you finish your argument with "THAT MEANS FUCK ALL YOU STUPID BITCH" spoils everything. You lost your credibility.
If you hate women, stay single or be gay, there is no point of discussing.
And by hard workers, I was talking about education, therefore, studies. Yes, girls suceed better than guys and I have a problem with that. I would like to see guys better at school, otherwise, we'll just have to use our strengh doing shitty jobs
ghune 3 months ago
@ghune You know, the education gap between girls and boys has reversed in the last 30 years. Formerly, it was boys who made better grades and got higher levels of education. Which shows that if allowed, women can surpass men in many areas. Brute physical strength aside, women are as capable as men.
It isn't that boys don't have hard working role models, it's that girls took the ball and ran with it.
It happens EVERY time you give women a fair chance of success. They succeed.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella women succeed? they've been earning degrees in our feminized education system for decades and they've yet to invent or produce anything of real value to society other than be additional units in corporations. Instead of taking time off to raising kids, they're more than happy than to hand their children over to state-facilities to be crushed.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels Men don't have to choose between having a family and having a career so why should women? Yet time and again, if a woman wants to have a career, she's forced to choose. And even when women DO remain childless and choose the career, they seldom are allowed to rise in the ranks as men, rarely make as much as men and rarely have the same power.
I don't know what "state-facilities to be crushed" means, but it sounds like melodramatic bullshit to me.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella So why should women? They shouldn't have to do anything unless it makes them happy, so if a woman wants to have a career similarly to that of a woman she should not have children. There's not group such as "men" and "women", there are just individuals, there are plenty of women that rank higher than men, does that mean that all women rank higher than all men? That's what you're saying. THe fact that more men are more successful is based on merit and hard work.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels I'm only going to address one comment per comment. You don't get to have your preaching and speechifying encouraged. Be brief and germane to the issue. Stick to ONE point.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella similar to that of a man I mean.*
The education system is harmful to boys in so many ways, more so than girls. It crushes creativity and turns people into worker bees. Girls benefit a lot more from having to sit down for hours and draw unicorns while boys are shamed and vilified for wanting to go out and discover stuff.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels I'm not buying that new story. See, the problem with your idea that school favors girls over boys is that until about 30 years ago, boys did better than girls in that exact, same system. In fact, it's more creative and free than it ever was before.
All they did was give girls a fair chance and they succeeded. Now people want to somehow blame the system that boys previously excelled in for their lack of success.
BTW, you're showing your sexism. Lots of girls love to explore outside.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella no, education is not freer than it was before, school hours have increased, kids are increasingly held in closed, monitored areas and the material they are presented with has become less and less relevant to their survival and livelihood by rather focusing on cultural conformity.
I'm not sexist by pointing out that boys are way more physically active than girls, but sure, some girls enjoy exploring outside as well.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels You weren't pointing out a gender difference when you patronizingly described sitting still for class as drawing unicorns. You were being sexist and stereotyping both genders falsely.
Please cite your sources for you ideas about modern education. Everything I've seen says something quite different.
Girls used to be vilified and mocked for wanting an education. Now, they're encouraged and surpassing boys. This angers some and now they wish to re-stack the deck to favor boys again.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella Personal experience and observations as well as complaints from my younger brother about some of the reading material which is generally speaking completely unfascinating, boys are not presented with books with strong, masculine leads that inspire a love of reading in them. Instead, school is associated with unpleasant authority, boredom, cultural conformity etc. Study after study shows male academic achievement is in decline.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels Male academic achievement is in decline ONLY when compared with female achievement. Anecdotes are not evidence.
School has ALWAYS been associated with unpleasant authority, boredom, conformity, etc. That doesn't mean diddly.
You need to pick a side. First, you say males are more successful because their traits are more desired, then you claim female traits are more preferred. You seem confused.
And again, ONE COMMENT PER COMMENT. If I can be brief. So can you.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella No, male scores have actually decreased compared to a few decades ago.
That's why I'm for the abolishing of public education.
In modern society, female traits (in men and women) are desired and masculinity is deemed either an evil or it is sold as being a servant (soldier, white knight/doormat for women) and not the traits associated with masculinity which are completely lacking in modern society: reason/rationality, calmness, principals (although it's still desired by many men)
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels Cite your source that says male scores have fallen.
So you want to abolish public education due to misogyny. Nice.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella google it or search wiki, but boys are attending college and even graduating high school in decreasing numbers, there are countless articles on this, but perhaps your misandry keeps you from seeing anything that might be something wrong with the schooling institutions of today. See? I can make ridiculous graceless assumptions and accusations as well when I'm out of arguments and won't admit it.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels
Absolutely.
We need more role models. Teachers should be 50% men.
ghune 3 months ago
@Sivels So you can't cite your source?
Then I can only assume you're making it up.
BTW, it's not misandry to want ALL people to have equal rights, opportunity and treatment regardless of gender or race.
One other thing.....there is no such thing as female or male social traits. There are tendencies that can be exibited by either gender but that might show up more often in one or the other. Whether those traits are biologically based or socially ingrained is still debated.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella I'm against equality, I value some over others, I am against discrimination however. A high tech engineer is not equal to some lowlife bottomfeeder.
No it's not debated, it's confirmed that men and woman from the same race are more different than two men from different races. physiological differences, size, differences in brain size (and centers), hormonal differences and different instincts developed through natural selection. Completely uncontroversial.
Sivels 3 months ago
@Sivels I believe in equal OPPORTUNITY, equal treatment under the law and equal rights. Indeed, achievement and character do determine whether a person is socially equal, but that's another issue.
You don't seem to understand biology very well.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella more differences include the time it takes for boys to fully develop their brains and bodies in comparison to girls who fully develop significantly quicker due to smaller size and less muscular bodies and smaller skeleton.
Treating everyone as equals is destructive since different people have different needsm different ways of learning and need different methods of guidance. This is well established outside radfem dogma.
Sivels 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella pointing out gender differences is not sexist and you shouldn't accuse me of it just because I have a different stance from your own, that's a disservice to people who actually are victims of sexism.
Sivels 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella Female traits r preferred because they're more convenient to authority, this mirrors well the increasingly authoritarian trends in society.
Sivels 3 months ago
@ghune Men are teaching, just not at the elementary levels. There are progressively more men teaching as you go up the grades after elementary school. This progression continues into the university level, with men teaching around 90% of PhD level courses.
sexyloser 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella
Thats complete bullshit, women do NOT get the same workload as men, espcially in the labour force. It's more like "Hey mate, you have fifty 25kg boxes to carry up two flights of stairs", would this be given to a female? Fuck no, its given to me and the girls go mop the floor. Equal work? Fuck off, the pay is EQUAL though - so while I'm slogging my guts out carrying shit, the girls have to hold a stick... While getting the same fucking pay as me - sounds like a FAIR world right?
ajnode 3 months ago
@ajnode Your little anecdote only serves to demonstrate your bitterness and ignorance.
In the US, women tend to have higher levels of education, yet still get less pay. There are fewer female executives and business owners and women are not promoted at the same rate as men.
Most work in the US is not heavy, physical labor. Perhaps you should have gotten an education.
You do not have to take my word for it. You can Google "pay discrepancy between men and women" and see for yourself.
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella
Most... Work? Where the fuck did you pull that from? And you call me ignorant and bitter? Looking at your display picture I notice the common insecure over-editing of the photo, highly contrasted, looking away from the camera even though you were fully aware of the SELF photo you were about to take. You're clearly overweight and hope that the high contrast will mask both the fatness and ugliness. If you want to spend your life angry at other people for your misfortune, go ahead.
ajnode 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella first of all pathetic shaming, stick to the argumentation (assumptions), dear.
Western societies are male-dominates because men are more ambitious, more intelligent (on average 4 iq points), produce far more geniuses, more rational, more productive and innovative. Men didn't create civilization that protects women today by keeping down women, they did it by merit.
Sivels 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella Women are not equal, true, but the fact is that most women don't WANT to be equal. The traditional view of males as protectors is still VERY much in force. Ladies before gentlemen, likewise. There are other examples, I'm sure you can think of some. These women don't want any of the negativity of inequality, but all the positivity. If a silly woman mouths off at me, I am not allowed to hit her, (yes, I know I am more honourable than some so called 'men'). as I would a man. Equal?
SouthernStand 3 months ago
@SouthernStand So what if some women don't WANT to be equal? that should have no effect on the application of the law or protections under the law or opportunities for housing and employment. Equal rights doesn't mean one has to USE those rights, just that they are available. I'm sure that during the time of slavery, there were slaves who were happy being slaves.
Equality doesn't have to negate courtesy.
You're not allowed to hit a MAN who mouths off to you. It's illegal too!
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@SouthernStand You could hit me and I'd hit you right back with whatever object I could find that would equalize our physical capabilities.It's interesting you would use this argument with women but not with children. Most children are weaker than men; is it wrong to make consessions for that fact while still seeing them as equal human beings? And believe me, not all women want the 'positivity' of inequality. If you know such a woman then she's a waste of your time.You're clearly a chauvenist
GrissomLovesSara 1 month ago 2
@ciaochowbella WTF. Western Societies also attribute more responsibility to men. If there is a war, we get drafted. We Pay more child support and have less power in making decisions for our children, not to mention less reproductive rights.
Also, statistically women get sentenced to 40 % less time than men for the exact same crimes. If you care about equality between humans why dont you be a humanist instead of feminist. BITCH
Hamjam117 1 month ago
@Hamjam117 With greater privilege SHOULD come more responsibility. Men have as many reproductive rights as they wish. I don't know anyone in the last 40+ years who has been drafted, so step out of your time machine.
Women make less money for the same jobs, are more likely to have their criminal complaints ignored (especially for sex crimes) and are more likely to be victims of violent crime according to the FBI.
I am ALSO a humanist.
Nice ad hominem. It really makes my point.
ciaochowbella 1 month ago
Just listen to all the religions and you get the impression that they were invented by people couldn't get laid and therefore nursed an unnatural hatred towards women.
lagerbaer 1 year ago
all religions are cults.
face it.
or drink the cool aid.
DocUnsane 1 year ago 2
honor killing has nothing to do with islam? i must have misread then the newspapers of my hometown (hamburg/germany) quite a lot of times because multiple times in the last three years have brothers or fathers killed their sister/daughter just because of that and admitted it in court.
nilsnelson23 1 year ago
Man, Atheist are full of it
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widow burning, honor killing, genital mutilation and obsession with virginity....have nothing to do with Islam
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"while man was made in the image of God, woman was made in the image of man" , Islam is not Christianity.
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wiped and beaten, keep them coming Sam
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Al-Ghazali, most influential Muslim since Mohammed peace be upon him...simply put:Mohammed had THOUSANDS of companions that are greater than any Muslim after them.
Keep the brainwashing up Sam.
saudiUTUBE 1 year ago
@saudiUTUBE but you didnt refute anything, you just expressed annoyance at his words.
These things cannot be disputed: Islam pays regard to the veracity of the old testament, Islam is fanatical about female virtue, Koran specifies beating a disobdient wife, Al-Ghazali is regarded as a bedrock scholar/interpreter of Islam (merely carrying the message of the original faithful forward).
Back your annoyance up with proof saudiUTUBE
arklowrockz 1 year ago
@arklowrockz
I can in a minute name .... ahh, you're not worth it
saudiUTUBE 1 year ago
@saudiUTUBE Oh, so Islam is not worth defending? That's what you're saying when you refuse to back up your assertions. If it is the wonderful way of life that you claim, then please, explain why women are required to produce 4 witnesses for a rape or can only inherit half what her brothers will. Please enlighten us as to why a woman's word is worth half a man's in court. Teach us why women are considered unclean due to their reproductive capabilities.
Please explain exactly HOW great it is.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@saudiUTUBE Islam is a blatant plagiarism of Christianity and both have an unhealthy obssession with virginity and owning women's sexuality. Both faiths teach that women are inferior to men, unclean simply by their nature and that their "rebellion" must be curbed to the constraints of men. Both faiths value virginity above the life of a woman and consider women expendable commodities to be bought, sold, bartered and stolen. Women can even be punished for being raped.
YOU are brainwashed one.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
I agree with much of this. There is a glimmer of hope in the New Testament in the role of Mary Magdalene, who seems to be independent, and who has the honoured role of first witness to the resurrection and messenger to the disciples. The aspect of this figure as 'apostle to the apostles' rather makes a mockery of arguments against female ordination, and also contradicts the domestic role St Paul ordained for the female sex.
rahotep101 1 year ago
He probably got laid after this speech
yurity 1 year ago
let me correct this dumb piece of shit.MAN IS NOT IN IMAGE OF GOD.what a flabbergastin, outragous rubbish to say islam teaches this.thank you very much mr Sam Harris, that really shows how twisted and ignorant you are about islam.islam gives women fair rights, there is no gender equality.men and women are spiritually equal.yess
abdullahalmahmood 1 year ago
@abdullahalmahmood all the abrahamic religions claim that man was made in the image of god. they all stem from judaism which teaches this.
aguteempasil 1 year ago
@aguteempasil i know that judaism and christianity both claim man is in image of god, just like they claim that god had a son or he has daughters, they have very twisted understanding of theology.BUT PLEASE SIR, DONT MAKE ME ANGRY BY TRYING TO TELL ME ABOUT MY RELIGION.FOR US, GOD IS UNIQUE IN EVERY WAY AND HE CERTAINLY HAS NOCHILDREN.WE MANKIND ARE JUST ONE OF OTHER CREATURES OF GOD.
abdullahalmahmood 1 year ago
@abdullahalmahmood im not trying to make you angry and writing in capitols isn't going to help anything. all im doing is saying that it is my understanding that islam, like the related two, believe man was created in the image of god. really shouldn't be a topic of debate as i was more seeking confirmation than arguing. your religion also believe the genesis tale right? adam and eve?
aguteempasil 1 year ago
@aguteempasil like the related two, no sir, islam is clear from the fiflth and paganism that jews added to their religions and their books that allah has sent down to them.throughout history, there have been over 24 000 versions and translations of bible, but there was always one quran.every other religion modified and changed, but islam is as fresh as the first day.and yess the quran also talks about adam and eve
abdullahalmahmood 1 year ago
@abdullahalmahmood so your saying they all believe the genesis story, hence other legends that come after genesis, but aren't related? fair enough the qur'an hasn't really been tainted with but the same cannot be said for the hadith. the fact is they are related, because they all stem from the same belief system regardless of what they preach today. religious evolution.
aguteempasil 1 year ago
@aguteempasil what legends, you mean 10 year old daud (david) beheading goliath (jalut) the tyranical giant, yes that as well.regarding the hadith, there are two hadith books which are a 100% straigh from the messenger (saw), bukhari and muslim, and some other, that is because, these men would go through such hardship and starvation, torture to gather these authentic hadiths.and every time they would think about including a saying, they would think a 1000 timesand sweat before they did it
abdullahalmahmood 1 year ago
@abdullahalmahmood and you honestly think that the hadith(s) couldnt be tampered with? im sorry but that is gullible of you. ive read a few hadith verses, and they are violent to say the least. could they have come from your supposed peaceful messenger too?
aguteempasil 1 year ago
@aguteempasil the hadith in bukhari and muslim are a 100% authentic my friend.i promise you, anyone who tryied to change a word from the quran, or authentic hadith would recieve savere punishments. and every hadith in these 2 books are straight from the messenger of allah, all violence that was taken was necessary and just, can you give me an example of what you read exactly
abdullahalmahmood 1 year ago
@abdullahalmahmood well i couldnt recite them off the top of my head whether of women or tolerance of others. but there are two kinds of muslims in my understanding, those that believe the authenticity of the hadith and those that deny the hadith totally or partially. couldnt you except it as a possibility that some may be fabricated?
aguteempasil 1 year ago
@aguteempasil absolutely, many hadith have been fabricated, but like i said, the ones in muslim and bukhari are 100% authentic, many in abudawud are authentic, but some have a weak chain of narration.some hadith are fabricated, but we know which ones they are, we know which ones are strong and weak.no one said all hadith are authentic
abdullahalmahmood 1 year ago
I think no one but complete fools would want to treat their women in the way that the religious words say. That would make me feel like an abusive prick. I think all women have as much right to do anything they want to do as much as man does. So if being good to the woman I'm in love with is a sin, then i think that I'll live with it. But then again, every man or woman isn't without sin.
smokintheblaze 1 year ago
You know- none of these problems would even exist if men (and women to some degree) had valued the female role more highly. Of COURSE women are going to be uncontent if men constantly put them down as weak, No fecking wonder.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256
they are the weaker vessel and are in need of strong
male protection.
children of divorce are 85% of the prison
population.
Verlch 1 year ago
@Verlch Your stupidity is astounding.
paolo27th 1 year ago
I'm sure you h8 a lot of things sweetie. the biggest thing you probably h8 are your own babies that might get in the way of your college degree, your career, and your ways of being an old maid in training. Along with the sex in the city VD chaser.
Verlch 1 year ago
Honey, it really bothers me when some women look down on others because they don't have children I would finish my degree, get a better career because of it then have kids, therefore my kids would have a better start to life. We don't need women like you thinking that just because women choose education over childbirth are missing out. and it appears you definatley put your education first with your 'h8'
sophilianate 1 year ago
also if you want to make kids your life, fine go ahead, just don't pity others because they don't. having kids/being a mother doesn't define you Im sure a lot of other women out there would agree that theres more to life than squeezing out kids. I'd also like to set a good role model for my daughters, that life isn't about finding a husband/kids. Im sure youll be very satisfied with your life at the end, just think about all the wonderful you couldve learnt/done if you didn't make kids your life
sophilianate 1 year ago
@sophilianate
Much more to life? What ensuring a large chunk of displaced, weak men, with which to marry, when she realizes her empowered eggs won't fertilize themselves. And she needs to find some feminized effeminate man to father her children, and he best be a domesticated bill payer, know how to provide 24 hour security, pay the majority of the bills, fix the roof, the flat tire, and do as many chores as she can guilt him into.
Verlch 1 year ago
@sophilianate All that happened with "empowered" women, is now they have no choice, they have to work. Even if they wanted to stay home with the kids. Nothing like a domestic slave as some corporations busy body wife, protecting a 20k job in a cubicle, and nothing like letting the children raise themselves.
Verlch 1 year ago
everyone has to work, otherwise it's a waste Men have to work, so don't women? Yes they have choice, but why would anyone chose to scrap any hope of possibly doing something more with your life, than just changing nappies and making sandwiches.When children hit like 8, you don't need to be around them all the time, they're not babies. or when they're teenagers.
sophilianate 1 year ago
I would never look fondly on a domestic housewife, where has your life gone? just living through your kids? seems fairly pointless to me. espesically when your kids leave home...then what? just taking care of your husband? he's 40 he's not stupid, just seems very demeaning.
sophilianate 1 year ago
Let's be honest sophilianate, the west will be dominated by a modern patriarchy, or a barbaric one, so let's end this girl power diversity movement. all it seems to empower are welfare queens and the wests ghettofication.
Verlch 1 year ago
Now hold on Verlch-I agree this whole female separatist movement is kind of silly, but we don't need as you say a "modern patriarchy". What we need is as little favoritism/special treatment as possible. Equality means that you will be given the same treatment as everyone else, whether you have a dick or a vagina.
WizardsStaff 1 year ago
@WizardsStaff men and women will never be equal. What modern women want is equal outcomes, with unequal efforts.
Verlch 1 year ago
@Verlch I believe modern women want their nature as women to be valued more highly.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Verlch lmao, sorry dear. How could a 'weaker vessel' create soemthing stronger than itself? You have some serious woman-issues and I'd hazard a guess that you a threatened. The power to give life is more than anything you can hope to achieve.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@WizardsStaff what I was saying is that the west is dominated right now by a modern patriarchy. They allowed feminism as a way to weaken the West. Which is why Russia had no place for feminism, and promptly deported them to the West.
Verlch 1 year ago
I hate there are still some really sexist men out there, for fucksake make your own sandwich and suck your own dick.
sophilianate 1 year ago
There is no way I could do both of those at the same time, are you crazy?
WizardsStaff 1 year ago
well decide which one is more important to you're survival, then make your decsion
sophilianate 1 year ago
Well I mean, if we are talking immediate survival I would make the sandwich, but in the long run it would probably just make me fat and not give the psychological benefits one receives from good sex. If it makes you feel any better I would make a girl I cared for a sandwich and indulge whatever sexual fantasy she may have. The final step on our sandwich, fellatio, and cunninglus laden road to equality is getting off of our high horses-both men and women.
WizardsStaff 1 year ago
well I like you then, plus there isn't any bigger turn off than a sexist man, however on the other hand there is nothing sexier than a man who actually treats women with respect. I mean what kind of women would be attracted by a man who thought she was worth less than him, it's beyond me.
sophilianate 1 year ago
@sophilianate Treats women with respect? What she want's to be put on a pedestal for simply being a woman? There has got to be more to it.
Verlch 1 year ago
freaking YouTube, doesn't let me see comments to reply on.
Show me where a matriarchy is successful and isn't living in grass huts, or generational welfare queens!!!
oh yeah men are not needed. ever.
Verlch 1 year ago
It never ceases to amaze me how some "men's rights" advocates insist that women have been treated like queens for all of human history and that men are the only victims in the world. It seems like men are better than women...at being arrogant self-absorbed crybabies.
ScaryCannibalTrout1 1 year ago
Newsflash, women want strong alpha males that can meet their needs, and provide and protect them. they don't like the beta, limp wristed men who do everything their ever demanding wives want.
Either we are successful or we perish. we dno't have State run affirmative action, child support, alimony, or other providers to fall back on.
Newsflash, men and women are hardwired different, and most women are not happy in all things male.
Verlch 2 years ago
as long as u dont have a penis your still a woman . I think you've taken my posts a little to serious there meant to have a kind of dry sarcastic sense of humor to them but its hard to show that over typing lol
HateGrind 2 years ago
yeh . I dont lump all women into a single category . Im just saying that nothing is perfect. the old religious view of women is crap yes as it treats them pretty much like cattle with little independence. But modern western view of women is also not gr8.its part of the reason why so many men treat women like objects ,of course the behavior i describe of some women doesn't apply to most . And i can put myself in there perspective as certain behavior can be attributed to past experiences .
HateGrind 2 years ago 3
The modern view of women? That's more than a little vague. A misogynist's view will obviously differ from a person who respects women. However, the actual laws in our culture that govern men and women at least try to provide equal protection for both genders. That's more than can be said about the laws under the Abrahamic holy books. So don't try to deflect criticism away from theses barbaric texts by alluding a few examples of women being objectified. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Debaser11 2 years ago
Wow this has attracted a lot of angry men. I don't think all young women today are vile drunken sluts- a product of pornified culture. Some maybe but look at young men and how they are affected by the same cultural phenomenon. They actively seek out and watch porn in which women are gangbanged, choked, slapped etc.. and then go out on weekends to drink go to stripclubs and cause fights on our streets. Some young people of both genders are out of control, most are well adjusted.
drowsymaggi 2 years ago
you can't just generalise like that and say that all women are 'vile drunken sluts' well fuck you, if you think all women are vile. and if some women are that way because of a pornified culture, isn't that because of men? yet again
sophilianate 1 year ago
Or consider the treatment of unborn babies that stand in the way of woman and their poverty wage jobs supporting their illegitimate brew of fatherless bastards.
You are right ladies, who needs men when you can marry the State.
Verlch 2 years ago
Good comment . Although i disagree with the ancient views of women in religion what is the modern alternative?. To be childless sluts and loud vile drunks , to follow the ever so classy celebrity's and their drug and alcohol fueled lifestyles that are rammed down our throats 24/7? To treat abortion like a form of birth control and then to scratch their heads when men treat them as nothing more than sex objects?. Porn and this culture is more degrading to women than anything else.
HateGrind 2 years ago
....and demand a man supports the woman, even if she works. they want the best of both worlds and weak men to boot.
Verlch 2 years ago
This is very true . A woman wants exactly the same things as men in life now , but still wants specialist treatment and benefits. They want to work the same hours as men and drink the same amount of beer as vikings , but they still demand gentlemen and for a man to spend money on them and take them out. Lots of these independent women struggle to understand why they are lonely and childless .and the others just enjoy living like the cast of sex and the city . sod it all thats what i say!
HateGrind 2 years ago
equality is a joke. if i didn't already say it, they want the best of both worlds the best of being a man, and a woman. and they want easy street for being a woman, and strive for equal outcomes. we have to cheer every time a woman breaks wind in a place millions of men have before her. meanwhile, her biological clock dies and her last eggs dribbles down the toilet.
Verlch 2 years ago
I hate everything you just said
sophilianate 1 year ago
sir francis i bet your fat and ugly.
Prohass 2 years ago 2
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The Bible and Koran held these views for good reason: Because females, by their very nature, are deceptive, lying, cheating whores, and must be domesticated by men for there to be any sort of civil society. We need only see the results of the last 50 years of the modern feminist movement/sexual revolution to understand how destructive females are when allowed to dominate society and hold major influence over men and boys. E.g. fems have ruined the public educational system under their control.
SirFrancisDashwood15 2 years ago
Wow, cause you men did such a good job ruling the world. War after war after war after war... (rape, rape, rape, rape...)
Now you're judging every women like we're all the same? I'm a thinking human being just like you. What gives you the right to lord over a woman just because you were born with a penis rather than a vulva?
Sounds like you're scared of educated, thinking women. Why? We're all human, so get over yourself!
FemmeBookworm 2 years ago 3
Well, now you're judging every man like we're all the same, i.e., all want war. 99.99% of men do not want war. It's the .01% who start and flame wars, and those are the men (and many women) who should dangle from the gallows. And it's the same with violent rape that's committed by a very small % of men, yet you lump all men together. Men protect women. Conversely, there are a very small % of females who think logically and even have a clue what it takes to maintain a rational, affluent society.
SirFrancisDashwood15 2 years ago
Why do we say Honor Killing, as if it is a righteous act? Why don't we call it Shame Killing?
Siddis33 2 years ago 2
"If a woman doesn't scream loudly enough she should be stoned to death"
WOW!! :O These "Holy" Books are just crazy...
Im just happy that most people who are Christian or Islam haven't fully even read them themselves...
Coldsun3000 2 years ago 15
Sam Harris, you are amazing. You say what many people think. Thank you so much for your outspoken defense of reasonable people who desire a more loving, connected, and egalitarian world.
pammer12345 2 years ago 19
TEACH!
serudji 2 years ago 2
FIVE STARS~!
TheGoddessNetworks 2 years ago 3
I love you sam!
Bumblybee256 2 years ago 4
Again. There should be more MEN like you. Luckily these old points of view are giving way to a new morality where women are seen as they truly are, (at least in Western Countries).
martinbeco 3 years ago 7
im an atheist and in no way support any religion. however, he needs to remember that religion was also greatly influenced by the era in which it was formed. much of the patriarchal tonality in the 'holy' books was due to the secular cultures which suggested the said anti-femme ideology.
xemosintightsx 3 years ago
That's a good point, but I think what Sam is driving at is that these books have frozen those primitive ideas in time. Having faith in these books is creating a protective shell around ignorance.
angryafro 2 years ago 4
Not only that, but the abrahamic religions have created a male god to cement the ultimate authority of men over women. Patriarchy would not have succeeded if people had continued worshipping the goddess, like they did for 25,000 years. This was stamped out around the time of the bible, and the OT is full of paranoia about people worshipping other gods. What this means is that they didn't want female icons to be worshipped. Women had to be subjegated.
pammer12345 2 years ago 5
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