RE: Mac vs PC: ADOBE SUCKS!!!

[carbineautomatic]

and all you stupid intellectuals can shut up. Adobe is useless garbage that keeps people glued to dead soul existences in fake artistic crap that has no human quality attached to it. Adobe destroyed Art, so it can go set itself on fire and burn to death as far as fucking care

[carbineautomatic]

fuck you Adobe you fuckin cunts. I spend all fucking weekend trying to export some stupid shit that should have been fucking simlple. Burn in fucking hell

[YuKinKeishMeiAs]

Yay for Adobe ad next to this video!! :P :3

[dachewe]

I don't think he knows what adobe products can do.

[liviu811]

without adobe....you-tube would not exist...you-tube needs ADOBE flash player to play videos...also adobe reader is a very important software too...and adobe photoshop is the best software for me ^^ ADOBE ROCKS!

[Rifalltoo]

@liviu811 No.  Wrong. Youtube would use a different code to play it's content cross platform, whether that would be quicktime, which has been around way to long, html video playback, or even Java if possible. So, wrong. Flash doesn't make Youtube what it is. Adobe didn't make Youtube what it is.

[sagas599]

Adobe PhotoshopCS3 is the best

[MaximusCerberus]

Another Macintosh FAILURE! Something we've been enjoying for a long time is STILL out of reach for Mac users. Guess they'll have to wait until CS5.

It's a lot like showing up last place in a race.

[taluzoid]

i agree but i still have to use acrobat reader and flash as there is no alternative

[p4intb4llfr3akm4n]

adobe CS4 might have sucked but CS5 is in 64 bit

[p4intb4llfr3akm4n]

adobe doesnt suck!

[sousuke121]

Adobe Rocks your socks :)

[webandstudio]

If Adobe SUCKS, why designers and developers such as Mac and Windows are using Adobe products that no one can replaced such as After effects, photoshop, in design and you named, I'm a fan of Mac products but Mac do not any Photo application or something like it

[mrbit10]

they are professional products, there is no real threat to adobe in some markets. The point was about resource use.

[TheAlohaRobert]

Paint shop Pro 12 is the best...

[randyrhoads911]

i know there just saying adobe programs suck because they don't know how to use the programs.

[Rifalltoo]

@webandstudio For the money, I expect more from adobe. They're software is pretty slow, bugged out, crashes a lot on any system other than their own, and I would expect that they would be able to polish their software before just designing new features. Adobe flash sucks the most because it's supposed to be light.  But instead, it's heavy as hell. But sadly, 10% of the internet depends on it.

[Chrisleejk]

adobe premiere pro is a resorce hog. Took 40% of my 8 gigs of ram!!!! But i still like the program

[mahcuz]

Are you using intype?

[mrbit10]

what you see in the vid is textmate, i prefer text editors over IDEs

[mahcuz]

intype is a text editor - it looks (when using the cobalt theme) very similar to what is shown on your screen - they do say it's the textmate for windows.

[Daxter609]

wait adobe cs4 only works on 32-bit windows?

[PRINCEofPECICA]

I have photoshop cs4 on vista ultimate 64 bit!and I got photoshop from rapidshare for free and it is portable no need for crack

[Daxter609]

No I mean straight from there stiore not a illegal copy.

[NuLLx42]

no.

[italianman2112]

Id like to see him create a better application ?? that's just high school ! CS4 is a bloated hog and thanks to a Monopoly Adobe has, they have indeed become lazy. I have been doing visual art to 20 years and CS4 is so sloppy and slow it truly is sad.

I have it on a mac pro and a dell xps and it just lags compared t CS3.

Go get the free trial and see for yourself and after about 5 mins go and Disable the OPEN GL and then you will at least get some speed back :)

[Akula04]

As far as start up and memory hogging, I find it to be significantly less. However, I do have the whole issue with the brush tool lagging which is an extreme annoyance.

[hudsonmusik]

I'd like your little ass create a better Application than Photoshop or Illustrator...

[Akula04]

What kind of an argument is that? That's like telling a movie critique to create a better movie than what he is criticizing. Or telling all OS reviewers to create better versions of Windows or Mac OS. Think before you comment.

[GDL188]

I am sorry i usually respect your opinion very much but i totally disagree with you here adobe are market leaders.

flash is installed on 99% of all computers

all of their applications are fantastic to use and develop with.

ill admit i do have a pretty good computer but not better than most in the developer world, flash and photoshop start in under 5 seconds and use 300 to 400mb of ram. for an industry leading product that seems fine to me

[mrbit10]

no problem, i can respect that, but my points stem in how efficient it is as in like my behind the bit, is throwing more hardware at software the answer to make it launch in 5 seconds?  Sure the results are there but its the means I argue and why I stated that.

[AppleFanatics]

SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!! God, I think both PC and Macs are the best in the world! One PC are cool because their cheap and worth it, and Macs are the cool because theres more interaction and technology and better software. So just SHUT UP!!

[rj6v]

Photoshop CS4 starts in 1.5 seconds on my PC (superfetch). The extended X64 version uses 57MB of memory, 300mb hard drive space (estimated).

Wow, what a resource hog as you claim.

[mrbit10]

That is great it loads that fast for you, but I find it hard to believe the stats you give under load vs its older versions. Granted filters, frame buffers and the like have improved but even on my own custom rig it does not perform like it used to with lesser resources. That said it is a great product and one that I must use in business via CS3. Thanks for the comment

[k2qqq]

I agree with rj6v, his numbers are close to mine.

"but even on my own custom rig it does not perform like it used to with lesser resources"

With all respect, but then you don't know how to build a good rig. Photoshop CS4 has a timing tool and I've compared it not long ago with several older PS versions on the same hardware (7, CS and CS3)and only in two filter tests I did see it perform slightly less.

Anyway, just my 2 cents

[mrbit10]

ok, what many do not understand is that software used to run on far less resources than prior, I was satisfied with Photoshop 4 but post on all tests and not only my own computers but my company's labs, they all used far more resources.

[mrbit10]

a time tool is about speed results not to show resource use on 500nhz chip and so on. Sure I could for example on my gaming rig go all out on my crossfire setup and get great results, but that says nothing about resource use of much older software packages.

[IKLIPTIC]

I know this is hugely late but I'm curious as to why or how your comparing Photoshop 4 from over 10 years ago to anything out today? But yes youa re correct as it being a resource hog but Photoshop 4? I came into the industry when 5.0 came out. Just weird referencing that version to me.

[xsonicbladex]

1:25, wow you must hate vista :)

[hootyhaha]

Using FCP 6.0.5 on a 2x3.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, with 8 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM memory. Version 10.5.6.

And my FCP 6.0.5 program has just VANISHED 3 times within 15 minutes.

I wish I could find the perfect, affordable PC editing work station that can do BluRay and HD.

That's another thing. APPLE will not incorporate BluRay into their machines even though it's the obvious winner in the HD vs BluRay disk wars.

[cjmillsnun]

In all fairness, when did OS X come out? Photoshop CS3 should have been in Cocoa! Adobe have had years to port Photoshop to Cocoa. So it is not unreasonable to expect that their "talented" programmers could not have coded CS3 in Cocoa. Instead we are stuck with CS4 in Carbon. It strikes me as laziness on the part of Adobe.

[mrbit10]

wait, there are many applications in os x using carbon, why is cocoa the standard???? Quicktime for one, why blame Adobe, heck now Apple reversed their plans so we are stuck with CS4

[cjmillsnun]

Cocoa was always intended to be the standard.

The original MacWorld announcement for OS X proved that.

Quicktime/iTunes not being moved to Cocoa is also down to laziness on Apple's part. Adobe isn't totally to blame, however they had as much time to change over as any other developers. It was 2001 that OS X was released right?.... That's 7 years of knowing about Cocoa

[mrbit10]

if one is to follow example, Apple's laziness to Adobe's meh, make carbon 64 is my opinion. Sure there is blame to go around, I wont defend either, but why even get all worked up, I doubt there will be that much a performance gain.

[mrbit10]

let me add that there is a difference with 64bit from windows to OSX. moreover, if i recall is was wwdc june 07 that solidified no 64 bit carbon which, might I add is more cross-platfrom than cocoa for programmers, that is one reason why itunes and quicktime both avail on windows uses that api. so as a developer would also snub apple in that.

[hilato]

Pirate adobe you already paying for it with the Canon Tax or the new tax you get to pay when you buy a new ipod or mac

[FirebrandNIRE]

Hi Mrbit,

What is it that makes OS X a better OP than Windows? is it the software structure? or something completely different?

Thanks in advance.

Great informative movies btw.

[bleu1ray]

looks like you didnt get any sleep there buddy

[1BiGdAvE63]

Good Video, Makes scence...

[alos31]

I have to agree, I have cs3 and am not going to go to cs4 mainly because I don't see the need to at work. I spend a lot of time trying to find the right ide to use for a project and love dreamweaver but liked it more when adobe was not involved. Photoshop well I would love to see that app manage memory better. Great video, can't wait to see more. Cheers

[mrbit10]

thanks, hope to have more on multi cpu/core

[mrbit10]

also have a funny vid coming up.

[Sier9iej]

Hey mrbit10, so whats teh difference between carbon n cocoa 64?

N whats on adventage side of each one?

[mrbit10]

Basically Carbon is C and Cocoa is objective C meaning 1 is object oriented and traditionally will use less lines of code. I always advocate while OOP has many advantages that too much is relied on lower compilers for interpretation and memory management. Carbon while still open to its own interpreters and compilers IMO has more memory addressing options when specifics are needed. Cocoa also has had to get major upgrades from memory management problems.

[mrbit10]

Now OOP is widely used and creates objects, classes, inheritance as parts of its model and so on where a common item is on its own, it stands alone in a task and can be used in conjunction or not but is usually subject to templates and predetermined code designs. In non OOP each function would have to be specifically written for its purpose using custom and more lines of code but no templates or restrictions.

[mrbit10]

Last comment on the matter simply means one model is given access to 64bit addressing and the other not. This would have to go down to the microkernel and so as interpretation comes down for addressing, it would have to be written in. Thus a specific compiler for Carbon to 64 bit.

[bullboykennels]

thats why i'm just staying with CS3 it's gonna do it's job for me for the time being.

great vid MrBit10

[RockTo11]

The main advantage of having a 64bit photoshop would be that it can use a LOT more memory - and be even more of a resource hog.

Lightroom 2.0 is 64bit on the Mac... so it's not for lack of trying. Maybe Apple should just upgrade Carbon...

[DRBUK]

need more vegas vids.lol. nice to see a vid again, def been a while.

[Kalafut42]

hey Mr.Bit, you need to let me know when you finish that program your writing, so i can check it out.

[emeek77]

make all the excuses you want. And how dare you blame apple. Ive done the research. They gave adobe over a year. How dare you blame aple for wanting to move out of the past and into the future. Apple gave adobe plenty of time. For them to do what they did is just lazy and wrong. Like i said, you wanna be if i had adobe money and owned the old code for the apps i could get it done. You putting any blame on apple is crazy. Adobe is so stucj up they think aple should do them special give me a break

[mrbit10]

carbon is not the past, even quicktime and itunes were written in carbon. i can blame apple for part because they did say they would make 64bit carbon and why not but decided not to in the end. Cocoa is another api, the entire product line has to be change from relative C to Objective C. I cannot look at only one side of the argument.

[emeek77]

Glad to see you making a vid mrbit. How ya been. I assume busy like everyone else? Thats a G5 in the back isnt it? lol, i have a feeling your a ppc man right? No worries, me too. Id lov to have a 2,5 quad ppc. But what are your plans for snow leopard. Just continue to use Leopard i guess? Im writing htis before i seen the vid so i may end up leaving another comment or two. lol

[mrbit10]

no that is a mac pro quad in the back, the G5 is on the other side of the office.

[wellhowdydeux]

set adobe cs4 free!

adobe has been 64 bit in osx a long time:

ht tp://news. cnet. com/Adobe-site-dings-Apples/21­00-1045_3-994070. html?tag=mncol;txt

[emeek77]

comes down to them not wanting to do what it takes. if mac had 70 percent of the market you better believe they would do it. They just feel we are not worth it and i will love the day apple has an app to kill AE/photoshop

[wellhowdydeux]

adobe may be shooting themselves in the foot by forcing Apple to do just that, with the dwindling (even though it's still large) windows marketshare.

[mrbit10]

Do you think this is a move to help Windows??

[mrbit10]

how is that the case when it has been carbon for years??? I read that article and it is nothing more than Adobe attacking Apple in performance stats.

[wellhowdydeux]

ht tp://ww w. tomsguide. com/us/Adobe-Photoshop-Lightro­om-Aperture,news-2125. html

apparently, it has been done, by adobe, before

[thefamilyk]

whats the deal with the mac pro?

[toonrunedudehobby]

Is that a Mac Pro I see in the background?!!!

[GlockNinja]

Once again you bring reasoning to the madness. Good to see you finally making video again.

[blacksteel25]

Hey good to see you back Mrbit, miss being on your ustream with you and soaking up all that information you know.

[Physhi]

I see code in the background. Whatcha writing?

[macward66]

from a photoediting standpoint, I see why Apple doesn't bend over backwards for Adobe and that is because of Aperture. More and more photojournalists etc. are switching to Aperture. With the new plug-ins photoshop is becoming more unnecessary in workflow. Aperture also spanks Lightroom IMO.

[miked860]

you really don't know what you are talking about do you? you're not doing pro photo editing/graphic design with fucking aperture.

[macward66]

maybe not graphic design but photoediting sure, one of the head photographers for the new york times uses it exclusively. BTW most use a mac too, not windows.

[miked860]

heh, i really couldn't care less whether they use mac or windows for PS. god you are such an arrogant piece of shit, assuming im a windows fanboy.

[mrbit10]

could you do a vid on Aperture?? That would be awesome.

[themacintoshguru]

I've noticed some big performance boosts with Photoshop, and most of the other Adobe apps in CS4. Though, I'm pretty pissed that it's still not Cocoa. 64-bit would give SOME boosts (nothing amazing), but just crack this out to Adobe being lazy and wanting to put CS4 out quick. So yeah... Whateva. :p Nice seeing you mrBit.

[emeek77]

This I agree with you on. Im tired of people making excuses for adobe. They are a 21billion dollar company. They can do it if they want. And it being 64bit would help tons in the amount of RAM it can use adn teh size of photo you can edit. You needs lots of ram to edit HUGE multi gig files. With 64bit all this would be easier. I have no idea why they are bing assholes for. Putting it out quick IS THE MAIN reason. They are shit to me now. I dont care how good AE is

[themacintoshguru]

Editing massive (when I say massive, mean 10x10ft posters) images in PS relatively easy if you have a high end (4-8GB RAM) iMac or Mac Pro. When scaling up some of these things, it can get slow, but a Mac Pro with 8GB-16GB of RAM is fine for most large products. Though most graphics that are made aren't that large, and tend to be usable with a decent iMac.

[themacintoshguru]

But yes, they have no good excuse for not having CS4 on Cocoa and 64-bit. Even though more people use the CS on Windows, Adobe is ignorant to ignore their mac customers.

[mrbit10]

Apple has the money as well, why not make carbon 64 bit???

[Hackintosh411]

great response MR. Bit! Also off topic you been having power outages?