Further to my comments here, I can't help but think that Hendershot's intuition was far in advance of the supposedly educated experts who gave themselves the right to judge his inventions; eg the claw rotor.
In notes I read yesterday I saw he used 'vibrating' pins/ blades for tuning purposes. Did his 'buzzer' armature have a 60Hz vibration mode under influence of combined magnetic field and coils, in the same way as resonant discs later used in Mechanical Intermediate Frequency Transformers?
My humble attempts at replicating only PART of the full Hendershot circuit made me realize immediately that Hendershot was very experienced with coil winding -- as would be someone who tinkered with home-brew radio equipment. He utilized basket weave coils at a very early date. He was certainly reading up on what the main-stream was doing with radio at the time. His circuit has a heterodyne tickler coil -like - appearance. This was in vogue in the early days of amplified radio.
I had read some speculation about his unusual magnet... that it was out of some used military RADAR equipment ... and there was some speculation that the MAGNET had "accidental" properties. There was also speculation that both Hubbard and perhaps Hendershot used radium or some other radio active material to make the coils sing. Remember, though, that Hendershot made a TOY plane WAY before his fuel-less generator and if it likely worked on the same principal which I doubt was radioactive.
Surely that magnet would have been a military secret in the 50's?
This is why I think the Mk3s could have been a radium type hoax.
Yes he perfected the Mk1 before he was bought off, also he allowed his family to operate it.
The Mk1 had an EM radiation collector/ initiator, but detail appears to be lacking relating to the encapsulated mechano-magnetic driver inside the initial wave-wound coil.
Did that include a Radium or Pitchblend based internal fixative to stimulate photon release?
Good thoughts about close-to 60Hz for his circuit. I've reasoned that because of its mechanical nature, the resonant frequency MUST be low ... from say 50Hz upwards to 200Hz... No higher. For best POWER, you need to have a resonant frequency down low .. implying resistance is low, and inductance is very large. Hendershot appears to put all his inductances in series... which is interesting.
I read his series connected 'buzzer' coils were separately measured at 5.6mH and 10.5 ohm each in the Mk3 cct.
11.2mH and 40uF brings us close to 200Hz; then add in the other series connected inductances, incuding other transformers !
Also his original Mk1 cct had a single untuned wavewound coil assembly, though with 2 close coupled two turn overwindings likely having high distributed self capacitance.
I've been meaning to get back to the Hendershot investigation. I've been busy of late with other projects, however.
I have some insights though. I think horseshoe magnet that you pick will need to be just the right magnetism. Neodims might be a bit too strong. I think what is wanted is for the iron bar to BEND the fields, alternately left and right, near the big cylinder coils. Horseshoe is important.
I think the cylinders might serve as antenna. Yes these tolerances such as how close the cylinder needs
to be to the coil are things that need to be investigated. I have proven to myself that capacitors and coils can exchange A/C currents no problem. A/C or pulses travel through capacitors as if they were wires, so a cap can be incorporated into a transformer design.
I was thinking more of opposing neodims on top side of a steel horse-shoe to polarise it.
In an early H gen set, H had a curious looking very circular magnet with parallel pole pieces coming down from it. When I saw it in pic I wondered if he had made that one himself, with central loop to identical ends polarisation.
Just the sort of thing the military would say 'can't work'.
An energised coil + centre tapped magnetic field can make a compass needle move E-W + rotate.
An observer stated the cylinders would attract a magnet, but were non-(para)magnetic.
ie, the internal molecular electron orbit spins could align with magnetic inducement yet return to random.
.
I think of the tuned winding induced electron aligment oscillating throughout the ferric sleeve was longitudinally disturbing the spatial magnetic equillibrium via electron orbits within the steel being made to coherently precess in a wave like motion wrt the winding.
From trials of ferrite sleeve antennas like the new FS Loop design (google), I have observed considerable alternating magnetic field interaction with ambient at mv/m field strength transduction, so H's field interaction with Earth-Space field at 100W plus of power, must have been considerable - same with Hubbard and Moray.
I wonder if the 'buzzer' is saturation 'switching' output power from alternately induced parasitic ringing events within otherwise spatially synchronised steel cores ?
When two magnets are glued face to face in opposition, then a coil overwind can steer the resulting field and modify that present at the junction.
A sudden release of current causes the bulge of opposing fields at the join to 'ping' outwards at right angles to the overwind with extreme high field change speed !!!!!
Yes I see what you mean, it could be the nearby field from the permanent magnet has biased the can's BH curve closer to the knee and the oscillations are all that's required to push it onto the steeply sloping section providing a much greater reactive response for small signal changes. This supports your audio frequency theory as Eddy losses increase with frequency.
I think Hendershots unravelled electrolytic cap wrapped around the can was effectively a transmission line with the hot side above earth coupled via capacitive division between tank inductor and earth. Instantaneous voltage gradient along this line is prbly function of length of strip line (diameter of can) and frequency of oscillation. Sort of like a direct coupled Lecher Line. The cap would reduce the shunt capacitance to earth as far as the inductors concerned probably raising the Q.
I'm fascinated that the inductance of the coil, surrounding the cylinder, is boosted up to a large value ... I think this is occurring because there is a flux, spinning in one direction from the nearby magnet/solenoid device. Although I'm not certain whether Hendershot strategically placed this near the coils in the right position or not. But one contribution I can make is that the inductance is definitely not that of an air-coil.
To measure the Q you need to be able to vary the centre frequency of a sig source either side of centre, when the voltage drops to 0.7 of the peak value across the tank at either side, record the frequency difference between upper & lower. Then divide the centre frequency by the frequency difference this will give you the Q. Try to use high impedance probe 10:1 and scope with enough bandwidth to measure the voltage ratio. Good luck with the project!
So the inductance is raised to something like 839mH since my cap is 7.8nF and I can see the Fr is approx 1967 or so. Calculating Q with those numbers yield 7979. Using the method you describe to determine Q, I get a number for Q more in the range of .66 (wide-band). Looking at the frequency response, I think the capacitive side of the resonant peak is staying UP longer than it should -- which is interesting. My measurements are extremely crude, however.
Did you measure the Q of your tank ccts? If your energy stored vs energy dissipated is high enough & the 2 centre freqs. are very close the phase-frequency difference should be able to operate an old style battery door bell hooked between the two. My theory is the back emf from the bell unit returns a kick to each side.
I don't have a Q meter, but I did attempt to measure frequency response. Since the cylinder is stainless steel and very magnetic, the coils inductance is increased ... i.e. not an air core. The frequency response has a wide-bandwidth, implying Q is not so good. If my capacitor was better, it might experience negative resistance on that side of the resonant peek. Re: door bell unit ... I think there is a bit more to it there. I am very interested in that part of the design.
You have been building your dearm machine, I see. What a lot of interesting parts, all up to this point. Fuelless, just like Tesla's Dearm-Machine, this energy ask for Tesla a decade of spirital awakening.
Tesla is driving on the back of this great energy, finally.
i cant help notice the transformers inside the coils in the old photo you show of the original setup, how they are offset and with what you showed in earlier vids about the vortex, well, will you eventually add two transformers?
many thanks for posting all your great work, its exciting stuff.
These experiments are initially with the Tank Circuits only to try to get an idea how they might function and what Hendershot was tuning for. But yes, as this is better understood, further steps will be to replicate his entire circuit. I suspect/assume that the circuit, in the public domain, is not quite right.
Further to my comments here, I can't help but think that Hendershot's intuition was far in advance of the supposedly educated experts who gave themselves the right to judge his inventions; eg the claw rotor.
In notes I read yesterday I saw he used 'vibrating' pins/ blades for tuning purposes. Did his 'buzzer' armature have a 60Hz vibration mode under influence of combined magnetic field and coils, in the same way as resonant discs later used in Mechanical Intermediate Frequency Transformers?
z1zaz 4 months ago
@z1zaz
My humble attempts at replicating only PART of the full Hendershot circuit made me realize immediately that Hendershot was very experienced with coil winding -- as would be someone who tinkered with home-brew radio equipment. He utilized basket weave coils at a very early date. He was certainly reading up on what the main-stream was doing with radio at the time. His circuit has a heterodyne tickler coil -like - appearance. This was in vogue in the early days of amplified radio.
morpher44 3 months ago
@morpher44
Last night I concluded Hendershot '3' generators were a deliberate hoax.
As with Hubbard's, only one method of operation was/is possible;
this relates to something he possessed which he did not tell anyone about -
because he was fabricating a story to hide the Truth -
'free energy' has willfully been denied to us by the Governments for over 100 years.
Was Hendershot going to 'tell' before his*official* 'suicide' ?
He had access to military grade materials (magnet) and SUBSTANCES !
z1zaz 3 months ago
@z1zaz
I had read some speculation about his unusual magnet... that it was out of some used military RADAR equipment ... and there was some speculation that the MAGNET had "accidental" properties. There was also speculation that both Hubbard and perhaps Hendershot used radium or some other radio active material to make the coils sing. Remember, though, that Hendershot made a TOY plane WAY before his fuel-less generator and if it likely worked on the same principal which I doubt was radioactive.
morpher44 3 months ago
@morpher44
Surely that magnet would have been a military secret in the 50's?
This is why I think the Mk3s could have been a radium type hoax.
Yes he perfected the Mk1 before he was bought off, also he allowed his family to operate it.
The Mk1 had an EM radiation collector/ initiator, but detail appears to be lacking relating to the encapsulated mechano-magnetic driver inside the initial wave-wound coil.
Did that include a Radium or Pitchblend based internal fixative to stimulate photon release?
z1zaz 3 months ago
@z1zaz
Good thoughts about close-to 60Hz for his circuit. I've reasoned that because of its mechanical nature, the resonant frequency MUST be low ... from say 50Hz upwards to 200Hz... No higher. For best POWER, you need to have a resonant frequency down low .. implying resistance is low, and inductance is very large. Hendershot appears to put all his inductances in series... which is interesting.
morpher44 3 months ago
@morpher44
I read his series connected 'buzzer' coils were separately measured at 5.6mH and 10.5 ohm each in the Mk3 cct.
11.2mH and 40uF brings us close to 200Hz; then add in the other series connected inductances, incuding other transformers !
Also his original Mk1 cct had a single untuned wavewound coil assembly, though with 2 close coupled two turn overwindings likely having high distributed self capacitance.
z1zaz 3 months ago
Hi morpher,
Did you ever do more work on the Hendershot Generator ?
I just read up on Mark Hendershot's notes.
The magnet 6:10 was double south pole, north in the middle, could be fabricated using steel bar and neodi magnets.
The soft iron stator bar was not on the magnet but vibrated.
Wonder, was the magnet making the stator coils saturable reactors ?
Wonder what happened that an antenna was no longer connected ?
I recon the steel tube for the capacitor needed to be very close to the coil wind.
z1zaz 4 months ago
@z1zaz
I've been meaning to get back to the Hendershot investigation. I've been busy of late with other projects, however.
I have some insights though. I think horseshoe magnet that you pick will need to be just the right magnetism. Neodims might be a bit too strong. I think what is wanted is for the iron bar to BEND the fields, alternately left and right, near the big cylinder coils. Horseshoe is important.
morpher44 4 months ago
@z1zaz
I think the cylinders might serve as antenna. Yes these tolerances such as how close the cylinder needs
to be to the coil are things that need to be investigated. I have proven to myself that capacitors and coils can exchange A/C currents no problem. A/C or pulses travel through capacitors as if they were wires, so a cap can be incorporated into a transformer design.
morpher44 4 months ago
@morpher44
I was thinking more of opposing neodims on top side of a steel horse-shoe to polarise it.
In an early H gen set, H had a curious looking very circular magnet with parallel pole pieces coming down from it. When I saw it in pic I wondered if he had made that one himself, with central loop to identical ends polarisation.
Just the sort of thing the military would say 'can't work'.
An energised coil + centre tapped magnetic field can make a compass needle move E-W + rotate.
I've done it !
z1zaz 4 months ago
@morpher44
An observer stated the cylinders would attract a magnet, but were non-(para)magnetic.
ie, the internal molecular electron orbit spins could align with magnetic inducement yet return to random.
.
I think of the tuned winding induced electron aligment oscillating throughout the ferric sleeve was longitudinally disturbing the spatial magnetic equillibrium via electron orbits within the steel being made to coherently precess in a wave like motion wrt the winding.
z1zaz 4 months ago
@z1zaz
From trials of ferrite sleeve antennas like the new FS Loop design (google), I have observed considerable alternating magnetic field interaction with ambient at mv/m field strength transduction, so H's field interaction with Earth-Space field at 100W plus of power, must have been considerable - same with Hubbard and Moray.
I wonder if the 'buzzer' is saturation 'switching' output power from alternately induced parasitic ringing events within otherwise spatially synchronised steel cores ?
z1zaz 4 months ago
@z1zaz
When two magnets are glued face to face in opposition, then a coil overwind can steer the resulting field and modify that present at the junction.
A sudden release of current causes the bulge of opposing fields at the join to 'ping' outwards at right angles to the overwind with extreme high field change speed !!!!!
z1zaz 3 months ago
My grandpa was in the marines
RUZZRUZZ1234 2 years ago
Yes I see what you mean, it could be the nearby field from the permanent magnet has biased the can's BH curve closer to the knee and the oscillations are all that's required to push it onto the steeply sloping section providing a much greater reactive response for small signal changes. This supports your audio frequency theory as Eddy losses increase with frequency.
smokyatgroups 2 years ago
I think Hendershots unravelled electrolytic cap wrapped around the can was effectively a transmission line with the hot side above earth coupled via capacitive division between tank inductor and earth. Instantaneous voltage gradient along this line is prbly function of length of strip line (diameter of can) and frequency of oscillation. Sort of like a direct coupled Lecher Line. The cap would reduce the shunt capacitance to earth as far as the inductors concerned probably raising the Q.
smokyatgroups 2 years ago
I'm fascinated that the inductance of the coil, surrounding the cylinder, is boosted up to a large value ... I think this is occurring because there is a flux, spinning in one direction from the nearby magnet/solenoid device. Although I'm not certain whether Hendershot strategically placed this near the coils in the right position or not. But one contribution I can make is that the inductance is definitely not that of an air-coil.
morpher44 2 years ago
To measure the Q you need to be able to vary the centre frequency of a sig source either side of centre, when the voltage drops to 0.7 of the peak value across the tank at either side, record the frequency difference between upper & lower. Then divide the centre frequency by the frequency difference this will give you the Q. Try to use high impedance probe 10:1 and scope with enough bandwidth to measure the voltage ratio. Good luck with the project!
smokyatgroups 2 years ago
So the inductance is raised to something like 839mH since my cap is 7.8nF and I can see the Fr is approx 1967 or so. Calculating Q with those numbers yield 7979. Using the method you describe to determine Q, I get a number for Q more in the range of .66 (wide-band). Looking at the frequency response, I think the capacitive side of the resonant peak is staying UP longer than it should -- which is interesting. My measurements are extremely crude, however.
morpher44 2 years ago
Did you measure the Q of your tank ccts? If your energy stored vs energy dissipated is high enough & the 2 centre freqs. are very close the phase-frequency difference should be able to operate an old style battery door bell hooked between the two. My theory is the back emf from the bell unit returns a kick to each side.
smokyatgroups 2 years ago
I don't have a Q meter, but I did attempt to measure frequency response. Since the cylinder is stainless steel and very magnetic, the coils inductance is increased ... i.e. not an air core. The frequency response has a wide-bandwidth, implying Q is not so good. If my capacitor was better, it might experience negative resistance on that side of the resonant peek. Re: door bell unit ... I think there is a bit more to it there. I am very interested in that part of the design.
morpher44 2 years ago
You have been building your dearm machine, I see. What a lot of interesting parts, all up to this point. Fuelless, just like Tesla's Dearm-Machine, this energy ask for Tesla a decade of spirital awakening.
Tesla is driving on the back of this great energy, finally.
cakegy 2 years ago
great stuf !!!
i cant help notice the transformers inside the coils in the old photo you show of the original setup, how they are offset and with what you showed in earlier vids about the vortex, well, will you eventually add two transformers?
many thanks for posting all your great work, its exciting stuff.
harpbloke 2 years ago
These experiments are initially with the Tank Circuits only to try to get an idea how they might function and what Hendershot was tuning for. But yes, as this is better understood, further steps will be to replicate his entire circuit. I suspect/assume that the circuit, in the public domain, is not quite right.
morpher44 2 years ago