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  • I gained a lot of respect for Billy Graham after watching this. People need to stop dogmatically accepting misogynistic holy books from the bronze age. It really is getting us nowhere.

  • There is no other name given among men, where by we might be saved. Jesus said go ye into all the world an preach the gospel. If any name will do, why would he say to preach his gospel. Only belief in jesus, death, burial and ressurection saves. Amen

  • After that show aired, hour of power went bankrupt. Mr. Graham said, they might not even know the name of jesus but they are savd. No man cometh unto the Father but by me. Jesus only. The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Amen

  • You might want to take a closer look at your Bible...you actually don't have to know the name of Jesus to know Jesus, he is our conscience. People who don't know his name because they have never heard it are not condemned for what they don't know, they are judged by whether or not they listened to Jesus' voice that is in every person (the law is written on our hearts). Read Romans 2:12-16 if you want to see the biblical proof for what you are saying is false.

  • The Bible (God) say's His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ is the ONLY way. Jesus was what one would consider a fanatic.. Sure, preach love and forgiveness,,, that's an awesome message,, but the whole point of the Gospel is that without Jesus,, none are saved. Much of old testament prophecy and the bible itself hinges on Jesus coming. Scripture... the Apostle Paul warns that should any man preach any gospel other than what is written, he will be cursed,,, and said the same for himself. Amen.

  • PRAISE THE 1GOD JESUS!!

    ACTS 2:38 is the only to get in kingdom

  • god is impotent

    

  • lookout! bible attack! vvvv

  • @creativewonder100 Nope. Jesus is the way. If you deny that you are dead

  • @prisice1 Nope he says that you are sa ed even if you do not know the name of Jesus. Muslims catholics hiduist new agest are dead because of their idolatry. Wake up!

  • Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, you who defend these false teachers and false prophets, you who hate knowledge, you who fear truth, you workers of iniquity who deny His word and in doing so deny His Father. “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21, “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” Matthew 7:23

  • Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, scripture speaks much to the simple of heart who lack understanding, “O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart Proverbs 8:5 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. Proverbs 15:2 “For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. Proverbs 1:32

  • Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, you who long for and who fall before these horrid abominations of deceit, “The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools. “Proverbs 3:35, The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?” Jeremiah 5:31 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.” Psalms 10:7

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  • O spiritually dead one, you who speak of compassion, yet have none ,If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 1 John 4:20Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. Zechariah 7: 9, 11

  • O spiritually dead one, you who seek truth, yet find none, Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them Act 20:30, He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. John 7:18, And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity. Jere 9:5

  • O spiritually dead one, you who speak much of mercy, yet are defiled, They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful, they invent ways of doing evil, they disobey their parents, they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Romans 1:29-31

  • O spiritually dead one, you who have not a heart for God but one of deceit, He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him. Proverbs 26:24, Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Proverbs 6:14, They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit Job 15:35, They speak vanity every one with his neighbour, with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak Psalm 12:2

  • O spiritually dead one, you who speak of life, yet preach death, For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:6-8

  • O spiritually dead one, you who speak of fellowship, yet cause division, He who conceals hatred has lying lips, And he who spreads slander is a fool. Proverbs 10:18, Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation. Proverbs 26:26, They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause. Psalm 109:3, And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love. Psalm 109:5

  • O spiritually dead one, you who seek peace, yet cause strife, A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Proverbs 18:6-8 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. When the wicked cometh, then cometh also contempt, and with ignominy reproach. Proverbs 18:2-3

  • this video is stupid. he only says that he will not judge........

  • Cynics press Christian preachers to make absolute statements that they might construe as judgmental, but when the man of God backs off from making judgmental statements the evangelical/fundamentalist community judges him harshly. Only God may judge without presumption. Pride in religion is the worst kind of carnality.

  • i always thought that Schuller was like the Phil Donahue of Christianity

  • The heading is definitely twisting what is being said. He only said he would not judge those that did not believe, just as Jesus himself commanded "Judge not so that you won't be judged". Matt 7:1. Jesus represents the way, saving your soul is not just in calling the name Jesus but in following the way he taught (the way of love for God and others). He himself said, "Why do you call me Lord, Lord but then not do what I say?" Luke 6:46. It's possible to follow the way but not get the naming right

  • Posting things out of context only shows what the person posting is concentrating on. Better to preach the Gospel as best you can and remember that Matthew 7:1 says: Judge not, lest you be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. What you are saying about Billy Graham is not exactly proclaiming Christ, is it? Billy Graham is 93 years old! Wow! God bless him and you.

  • The comments of this video are taken out of context. Billy Graham does not deny Jesus in the above video, he clarifies how he is called to share the Gospel of Salvation. He did not deny Jesus Christ but merely stated that he does not judge others and leaves that judgement in God's hands. Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty and the only way to salvation and eternal life with the father (John 3:15-18; 17:3). However, I he may have spoke in error on the second clip... Still not denial intent.

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  • Fuck yeah! I Came to join my brainwashed Brothers. Lets mindfuck!

    P.S. When is time running out???? Oh, you don't know... thought so..... Just checking fuckwits

  • Well, what I see is, everybody born with a Christ body with layer and layer of sins, it is through this body one go to God, no matter what religion one belong. So the Bible is right but need to be understood. Jesus is a exemple for everybody follow, he came to show the Christ body. As long you are human you has this body, even though it is covered by sins. This body is the only way to take human in the heaven, it is up to them to clean the sins to get there.

  • Is this person who posted this saying that Billy Graham isn't really a Christian? They ask at the end "is it possible that you aren't really a Christian?"  No, it is not possible because I have received Jesus Christ and asked Him to forgive my sins, as Billy Graham has. That is the only pre-requisite.

  • Lets just put words in the man's mouth.

  • Billie Graham enjoyed his celebrity more that the full truth of scripture.

  • "Thats not my calling... my calling is to preach a watered-down false-gospel in so to retain favor and popularity."

    Billy Graham! You may have mellowed-out.. but, the Gospel of Jesus Christ has not! Its not about you 'being more forgiving'... but, leading others into a relationship with God and Eternal Salvation... as well as, allowing them to know the incentive reasons its paramount they do so! If you don't preach the "dismay" part of the message... what good is the "comfort" part?

    Nothing!

  • If you listen to him he never denied christ get your head out of your ass and quit talking about a man of god who serves him.

  • Christ IS the only way to Heaven, he died on the cross to save us from sins. call on his name, and believe in him and you shall be saved. he never said call on Buddha and you'll be saved, call on Billy and you'll be saved....he is the only way!

  • to me john macarthur was the only one who stood firm in THE FATHER'S word.i am surprise at bro graham.jesus is the only way to GOD the FATHER john 14:6,if anybody has a problem with that take it up with jesus,he said it,GOD WROTE I JUST QUOTE IT,if people don't believe that it's their choice.jesus offers us a kingom in the bible not a religion,religion is one of the problems in this world it bring strife and division.

  • Billy Graham has caught on!! christ before christianity. which means one has to be one with nature.. this is the spiritual side of religions that christianity doesnt speak of. this comes from Africa the start of christianity.Billy has accepted spirituallity before any religion.thats why he doesnt deny the muslim faith because he realizes that religions were used as a source of political gain.look at how mulsims and christians fight one another.. it all has to do wit some form of power. HOTEP!

  • Alarm bells need to be going off when Billy Graham is called ther world's most respected man. was Jesus the most respected man? was any of the apostles called the world's most respected men? no they were killed one by one in hideous ways, and one was banished to the island of Patmose for the rest of his life they payed a terrible cost for preaching the truth, it is not unloving to tell someone the truth, it is true love for your neighbour to warn him/her of comming destruction

  • You need to tell them the truth Mr, Graham you are more concerned about pleasing the world themn about preaching the truth, Apostle paul was persecuted by the religios leader of his time but he didn't compromise you need to count the cost and return to your first love, Jesus , He said beware when men speek well of you. so they did to the false prophets of old. 

  • I don't understand why Billy Graham, a respected and loved man of God, is acting this way. It's incredible that would change his mind on what is a basic fact: “I am the way, the truth, and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.” — Jesus Christ (John 14:6)

  • @MegaPixElation You are confusing opinion with doctrine. Would I be condemned to death if I said I was very sad this week when in fact we should be joyful if we have Christ. My point is, BG has NEVER claimed there was another way other than through Christ! PERIOD! But it doesn't mean he should be judged and condemned for his personal opinion or "feeling"s when asked a direct "personal" (NON-DOCTRINE) question, his answer was not scriptural based and never was meant to be!

  • @Crumper00 His opinion should not be based on a mere opinion but should be firm and non-changing. If I said that I was sad this week when in fact I should be joyful has everything to do about ME and nothing to do about God's word and truth. He says here: " They TURN to the Only Light that They Have and THEY ARE SAVED". Larry is asking him for an opinion but that opinion should reflect what you preach. Cheers!

  • I think what Graham is saying is essentially what many Calvinists believe, that God chooses those He will save, even those people who live in the jungle who's never heard the Gospel preached. He never once said that you can get to heaven without Jesus. He actually did say that some come to know Christ without even knowing his name. I don't see where you're getting that Graham is denying Christ. He may be denying the "free will" theology, but not Christ.

  • what the hell is that mann

  • I read a lot of Christain Taliban stuff in many comments here. "Jesus is the ONLY way". How can you KNOW that?

  • @malarbusto “I am the way, the truth, and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.” — Jesus Christ (John 14:6)

  • Shame on you "gevte" you are spreading lies about a man of God.

    Don't worry your punishment is near!

  • Jesus said no one comes to the father but by me.

  • Billy Graham speaks like a FREEMASON in this video!

    He denied being a FREEMASON, now he DENIES the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

    He is a modern day JUDAS!

  • @limerick121 You're real funny, no where does it state in the Bible that Judas loses his salvation. In fact Judas was used by Christ to fulfill the prophecy, this is why man should not judge as God uses man for His own purpose though we don't understand it at the time. Judas fulfilled His purpose, Billy Graham fulfilled His also... And you implying that BG is a Freemason places you in contempt of facts, reality and the truth. This makes you a liar as you know there is no proof.

  • Billy Graham has withered SPIRITUALLY & PHYSICALLY!

    He is a REPROBATE from the FAITH!

    Jesus said: "If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. if you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you."

    John 15:6-7

  • @limerick121 He's 92 years old for goodness sake, of course he's going to be "withered" physically ! How can people say he's denying Christ when he's talking about God saving people through Christ ? I just don't get what the fuss is all about.

  • he sounds like joel ossteen there

  • judge judge judge... the bible say sjesus alone so if you are not in christ what deos that mean?? isn't it straight forward, you don't need to judge someone, their life outside chirst is what judges them. Billy Graham is apostate

  • my prayer would be may God bring peace to you so that you can learn to love others as he loves us.

  • Who gives guys like this smart clothes? He should be wearing a string vest and jogging bottoms

  • @gevte So much hate and bigotry in Christian world, even though they claim to be all about love, to defile against one of their own leaders such as Billy Graham. Billy Graham gets wiser with age.

  • He didn't denie Jesus.He said he will not judge people.They will have to answer to God not him.

  • @sabrinamariesayre

    I think you only saw the first part of the video. Look at 3:22. That's where he says it.

  • I think he meant that they are coming out of these other "worlds" and don't know what it is they're longing for yet. meaning people from all backgrounds coming to Christ. When he was on Larry King, I took it as he was saying it's not up to him to judge other preachers.

  • I don't get it. Where did he say that?

  • John14:6

  • 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I say this with the love of Christ in my heart be careful of the wolves in sheeps clothing .research the Word of God on your own dont look to the creation for the answers.God be with you

  • ..Jesus says in Matthew 7:21-23.21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

  • @DoctorZaid74 well thats extremely

    depressing

  • just because we have denied Christ doesn't mean its right. a man called to do Gods work should do it in truth.politics and our walk should not be one in the same...who should we serve God or mans politics. if u fear the media and needs man acceptance you have no place with God

  • The Bible says you're going to be hated for your beliefs. If you have non-believers on your side, you know you're doing something wrong.

  • I have so much more respect for Billy Graham now that he can be spiritual enough to understand God's love is not tied to a particular dogma.

  • God is truth then I will show you God. Anytime Jesus is away. When the son comes up HE will be found in the house of a sinner. wisdom ask did not Jesus take the sins of the world away. So when he was killed on the cross. He had sins of the world all over him.

    But before Jesus was put on the cross. He said first I have to go into the dark and bind some things up. He bound up the sins of the world and the SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

    The one that no one wanted.

  • Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to say. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.' 2 Timothy 4:3-5

  • 'Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.' Timothy 4:1

  • @Crumper00 While you say that Graham's apparent heresy is better than true teaching because it attracts more people, you really must read Scripture. The number of followers does not determine the truth of a doctrine.

    'You eat the curds, clothe yourself with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock.' Ezekiel 34:3

  • @Gustaveleloup Again, nice misdirect, I hope others are getting this. You call him a heretic, yet he does what is commended... his charities, feed & clothes the poor, bring medicine and comfort to those that need. Is this the fruits of a heretic? he clearly states Christ died for his own sins...... does this not grant him salvationl? Your biggest mistake is confusing the Gospel with DOCTRINE!!! Even Christ didn't follow CHURCH DOCTRINE, Many biblical examples of this...

  • What's this about a child molester?

    I have no grudge against 'BG'. He's simply teaching something that is wrong. What do you have against Scripture? He states that Christ died for his sins, but that He apparently didn't have to, because, according to him, Christ is not the only way to heaven.

  • @Gustaveleloup aha, Found the problem, No where does he EVER say HE didn't have to.. this is where the video twists BG statements... Every sermon he has ever Preached he states Christ died for his sins, yet the posters of this video (you?) say otherwise and that makes you the one bearing false witness. BG is NOT talking about you, or me or himself when he states he "believes" God has a salvation Plan for Non-Christians, not only that, he doesn't call it DOCTRINE!

  • @Gustaveleloup You are now condemning him over his personal opinion, he did NOT say this is biblical doctrine!! You condemn a man over 1 idea and through out all that he has done, is that not what Lucifer tried to do with Job while accusing him to God?

  • @Crumper00 when the son of man stands. Your understanding of the word. Will not be standing there. But a MAN will be. there. Where will your faith be then. if it is in a book. then you will not be like pure gold to him. Its easy to believe in a Myth or somethiing that you believe wont hapen in your life span. But when a man is standing there. YOUR faith will be tested. Wisdom ask. Are we not the people of this time.?

  • @roar5952 Thank God we are NOT saved by our understanding, but by God's GRACE ALONE.... You are trying to earn your salvation, good luck with that. I used to be you, but my veil has been lifted. And YES the gate is narrow, but the Yoke is light. BTW- You are waiting for salvation, mine has already been granted. You are living under the Old Covenant, I am living under a BETTER Covenant,(HEB 21) the new one... read it sometimes. Nothing Ive written is Bumper sticker, its ALL scriptural.

  • @Crumper00 God is truth. Truth says. That hearsay is not a witness.

    Truth says, That blind faith is not a witness either. Dont light your lamps to soon you were told. Truth says that their are ONLY TWO WITNESS'S. Jesus said I am all alone in this world. Satan was thrown down to deceive the WHOLE OF THE WORD.

    Jesus said he was coming back..

    So untill the son of man stands. You truth can not be right. Even the elect would be deceived.? The word says.

  • Hey this is the media you have to be careful when you are answering these kind of question you must give political answers. We all have denied Christ at one point in our life and that doesn't mean that we don't believe in Him. Read about Peter and other disciples how many times they denied Christ.

  • @Gustaveleloup The observable evidence of the various peoples of faith is that Christianity (along with Islam) is the LEAST sure way to find God.

  • You seem to think that 'doctrine' has no place in faith. God has given us laws and we are instructed to obey them. Again, your ignorance of Scripture and your refusal to accept its truth has allowed you to believe lies.

    I am finished arguing with you. I can see that I will get nowhere, since you simply prefer the sweet words of a preacher to the truth of Scripture. Such an attitude disgusts me. I would direct you to Romans 16, but since you simply refuse to open a Bible...

  • @Gustaveleloup Doctrine is invented by Man.. and what you point out is even just a tittle.. I won't explain further. I can quote the Bible all day long, that doesn't make me righteous, like you... it would just make me a hypocrite. You out rightly twist and lie (and you know it) but you believe the end justifies the means. You settle only certain doctrine, Ive studied the whole Bible, & u contradict most of it.

  • 'I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naïve people.' Romans 16:17-18

  • @Gustaveleloup 1 Satan was thrown down to deceive the WHOLE of the world.

    2 If it wasnt for God himself even the elect would be deceived.

    3 For he is the light that dwells in the darkness. And not even the world knows what this means.

    If you think you can open this door. Then you have lit your lamp to soon.

    For he can open doors that no one can open. And close doors no one can close.

    When the son of man stands who will stand with him.?

  • @Crumper00 BG is evil. he's a 33rd free mason, don't believe me? look it up. I love Jesus Christ, but I don't think I'll ever listen to a pastor AGAIN

  • @xoxofashiionista And you will be judged for spreading lies, rumors and gossip; this fable is old as the hills and has been dis-proven for yrs... its getting very old. You may as well also say he is a black man because he went and gave a sermon at an all black congregation.. the logic is the same.

  • @Crumper00 blah blah blah,

  • I love Billy Graham...he is one of the most honest preacher I've ever heard. I've watched a lot of his preaching and he is very clear that Jesus is the only way as contained in John 10:10. On this video, he is not denying Jesus. The person who posted this video needs to grow up and not quick to criticize a man of God.

  • I never heard Billy Graham deny that acceptance of Christ is the only way to salvation. To the contrary, what I hear is the affirmation of this as the way these people who now believe otherwise may be saved. Somebody out there knows the book, chapter and verse that proclaims that "there is therefore now no condemnation for those (Billy included) who believe in Jesus Christ". Poster might want to reconsider this post as it seems to fit the definition of "condemnation". Have you wrongly judgedhim?

  • The Gospel is essentially the " good news" that our God does love and forgive now through the acceptance of His Son,s Sacrifice of His Own perfect and sinfree life as the price paid in full and in advance for ALL sin. The is therefore now no condemnation.

  • @uwanthairpeice I agree... it is clear in Revelations we are not ALL judged by the same books... nor are we all judged by our faith. Those that live only by works shall be judged by works, with Gods Grace of course...

  • He says that people who are called "from" these other religons "will" be forgiven and saved by Christ because He will make Himself known in their hearts. He very wisely does not write these people off because he knows God would thus judge him.

  • Take a very close look what you are doing... it exactly matches how the Pharisees questioned and mocked Jesus whenever Jesus spoke of love and NOT of LAW. YOU are doing the same... even a child knows not take in context 1 discussion out of 70 years of ministry... I understand what Mr Graham is saying (and he is correct), The slandering of your misunderstanding and misdirecting is from by the deceiver himself... your work is to tear down, not to edify, your spirit is clear!

  • @Crumper00 I agree. The Pharisees were condemning Jesus to death because He was preaching the New Testament of God. Billy tried to be Christlike and it's my opinion that he would forgive this misinterpretation of what he actually was saying.

  • I believe " misinterpretation" is a more than fair characterization of this video but only God really knows what is in the video poster's heart.

  • @uwanthairpeice Generally I would agree... but it takes very little investigating on the posters to see what they truly are. This church thrives on slandering ALL other public ministers full time on any dirt they can invent... its disgraceful, and the spirit is easily discernible when its fraught with outright lies.

  • @Crumper00

    "outright lies"? You know you're not talking about me, right? I gave no lies - I merely quoted BG and quoted the Bible, and showed how one (BG) didn't match the other (Bible).

    If that makes me a liar or disgraceful, your "discern-o-meter" is broken.

  • @linearconcepts What are your fruits, where is your charity? Is it a members only club? I know it is... Christ sat and ate with sinners, disciples did NOT fast as pointed out by "church" leaders... did you know these were considered sins in biblical times by the Pharisees? You use the same methods?... God said to the blind man... "you are forgiven" all the blind man did was have faith, still not good enough for Pharisees, your comments are identical to the Pharisees....

  • @Crumper00 A 'members only club'? Sir, you are hopelessly misguided. Not everyone will be simply allowed to walk through heaven's gates, as I've said. You don't seem to be listening. If you think we're being bitter or uncharitable, you are allowing yourself to be deluded by lies, lies which you may find cheering, but which are lies nonetheless.

  • @Gustaveleloup Neither am I deluded nor do I lie, I understand completely and understand much more than you know, you see.. I already know your organization... because I used to be you. Nice dodge of the question though, btw-I have never said anything about walking through heaven gates, you r assuming way too much... :-)

  • @Crumper00 You agreed with Graham. I was returning to the origin of our little debate, if it can be called that. Have you forgotten the point of the video?

    I'm unimpressed with the way you prance around claiming such profound knowledge. You certainly do a poor job displaying it. But your real problem lies in that you do not heed Scripture.

  • @Gustaveleloup This is a poor debate venue at the least... I read all commenst and I'm aware the group gang up on posters to make it appear you have more support than you actually do.Its all part of the deception package. AS for the video, if you compare Mr Graham against the fruits of the holy spirit, and the fruits your clan accomplish, there is no comparison. and you guys may be guilty of sinning against the holy spirit, which is denying it or stopping the fruits of it

  • @Crumper00 Lies will often attract a following, but if you're suggesting the views I agree with don't have its proponents, you're quite mistaken.

    I don't know what you mean about ganging up. I'm in this alone. As far as I know, it's me and you having a debate that will go nowhere because of your stuborn clinging to lies. Maybe you're just paranoid. Maybe deep down you know you're wrong, but your human pride keeps you from admitting it.

  • @Crumper00 I cannot agree that the Holy Spirit would promote the spreading of falshoods. What 'fruits' are to be accomplished from lies? If that is your gospel, I pray that God open your eyes. Meanwhile, I will adhere to the Truth.

  • @Gustaveleloup Exactly right , it would not.. thanks for agreeing... you proved my point. By the sounds of it, you have lost the purpose of the Gospel or even what the Holy Spirit is for. I will be very frank (as you don't seem to get it) do you support community or worldwide charities not in your church... I doubt it. BG does aa part of his ministry, a good tree produces good fruit... you are chopping down a good tree, study the holy spirit more & maybe you will understand.

  • @Crumper00 In not talking about churches or religion, I'm talking about Gods Holy Spirit, without doctrine, without malice or prejudice... you will know them by their works... BG's works are easy to find the world over (again don't confuse fruits of the holy spirit with church doctrine), the ministry of what this posting is trying to accomplish is to diminish those fruits, that's the sin against the Holy Spirit. I'm done here now as I pray your veil is lifted.

  • @Crumper00 You criticise me for not ministering on the scale of Billy Graham. Well, I admit I don't have the financial means to go evangelise around the world, but I do what I can locally and I support missions at my church.

    Silver or gold I do not have...

  • @Gustaveleloup Again you misunderstand, I'm not comparing you to BG. You have a grudge against BG, you judge him though you have never questioned him... and yet you spend time with a child molester that the bible clearly states what to do with him... you are the one that sticks to every tittle of doctrine, I'm wondering how you would explain that your actions for each...

  • @Crumper00

    1. Stop reading bumper stickers and TShirts in lieu of the Bible.

    2. Want my resume?

    In brief... I discussed the Gospel with a molester headed for jail the other day. A deranged man this morning. Africans (in Africa!) deaf to the Gospel a few months ago. Preached in prison. Teach at men's groups. And more...

    But... all this has NOTHING to do with the video!

    Suggestion: Stay on topic.

  • @linearconcepts Be careful now, Christ hardly ever recited doctrine when answering doctrinal questions. I also see your pat answers repeat themselves, you stick with a basic doctrine of law, I get that. BTW- Did Christ not he say to tie a millstone to those that harm his children and toss them into the sea? Why waste your time? Yet you condemn BG without questioning him personally? You are truly blind when you can't connect Fruits of the spirit and the teaching of the Gospel

  • @Crumper00 You're missing the point. You have been from the beginning. Teaching must be based on Scripture.

    But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.' Deuteronomy 18:20-22

    Sound familiar?

  • 'My calling is to preach the love of God and the forgiveness of God.'

    That's a dangerous statement. We are called to spread the Gospel, not favourite chunks of it. We must teach salvation alongside the reality of condemnation.

  • @Gustaveleloup Christ preached the love of God and the forgiveness of God, and yes, indeed it was so dangerous it resulted in His crucifixion. However, he knew this fully and allowed the crucifixion of Himself to be the price paid in full for our sins once and for all. One just has to believe this in order to benefit by receiving the salvation that is attained in no other way (as no one really can be good enough to deserve it).After all, we are only human. And He is so much more.

  • @Gustaveleloup You do not understand the true meaning of the Gospel, God come to save the world, NOT to condemn it! Apparently you think its your job, Christ himself said "I want compassion NOT sacrifice"!

  • @Crumper00 Are you saying there is no Hell? That all things are wonderful and good?

    The sacrifce of Christ is undeniably matchless and it shows the boundless love God has for his children and yes, we must teach this. It is God's love that brings people to him. However, we must teach the whole truth. For those non-believers, there is also the prospect of punishment.

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  • Doesn't the fact that there can be either salvation or death make God's love greater? We are given a choice – God allows us to choose whether we will seek Him. God loves us so much that He does not simply point us blindly towards salvation. He gave us the capacity for understanding so that we might decide. The gates of heaven are not left wide open to everyone.

    I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    John 14:6

  • @Gustaveleloup Exactly correct, but God gave not only the choice, but also the ways and means. Without the Holy Spirit or baptism, and without Christ leading our choice would ALWAYS be wrong; this is the reason man was created mortal.

  • @Crumper00 You're quoting John 3:17 (and Matt 12 - which is unrelated). But you're forgetting Acts 10:45: "And He *commanded* us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead."

    Apparently your version of 'Gospel' doesn't match the Apostles'.

    Read Isa 61:1-4 & Luke 4:16-21. Watch where Jesus stops quoting. You'll see there are TWO "comings": The first to save; the 2nd to judge.

    Now preach like Paul: 2 Thess 1:6-10

  • @linearconcepts Those God calls to be judged are judged NOW, not when he returns. At acceptance salvation is given through Grace. As Peter stated, its not I that sinned but sin that dwells in me. WE are not perfect, but we are also NOT under the law anymore, how can we be... payments already been made. Notice the Bride of Christ comes to him... "Blameless" and not sinless. You guys are so hung up with sins you don't realize its a human condition that cannot be stopped this life.

  • @Crumper00 God alone decides how and when sinners are judged.

    As for your accusation of sinfulness, I acknowledge that I am the worst of sinners, saved by God's Grace, and I would never suggest that sin cannot be prevented. We are human. We are born sinners, or at lesat with a sinful nature.

    However, I fear that, unable to present tenable arguments, you have lost track of the purpose of this discussion.

  • @Gustaveleloup Then you are not very bright

  • @Crumper00 Obviously you didn't read the passages I posted. Please do the right thing and read all of these passages. Don't be a CottonCandyChristian. ALL are judged: unsaved are punished with hell; saved lose reward. Unsaved: 1 Peter 4:1-5 Acts 17:30-31 Rev 18:20-19:10. This is the Day of Judgment. Even Noah and Enoch thought so (Jude 1:14-15) Saved: Rom 14:10-12 (to "brothers") 2 Tim 4:1-5 James 5:9 (note "so that") 2 Cor 5:6-11 (*all*) 1 Cor 3:11-15 (lose reward, but not heaven)
  • America considered this mook a "wise man"? No wonder the world is in shambles. Even Malmolm X changed his ways about the white man. And right now, I'm thinking about Fidel Castro. still alive. Crieating the East coast intelligensia of the 21st century. It's going to bring the truth biatches!!!

  • -_- ouf ./ i thought the cross and Jesus death is to free us from SIN

  • this is not him he has been edited

  • We are indeed to judge and test the fruits and we are to line up what people say with the word of God, which this dosen't.

  • you can get Heaven if you are innocent (baby,child) and when you lived a life and didn't have any prior knowledge of Christ or God but, was a person who was good naturally without influences. This is some understanding of some research I've done. Babes and Children are his automatically..they are innocent. We all have a spirit and we all have eternal life after we pass.We are light energy love beings that are continuously having a human experience : 0

  • The Bible is Gods word not the baptists. or the eagles or elks or the moose club.

  • The baptist have taught for years once saved always saved so that explains it all

  • Billy Graham-now its time you repent of your sins. Believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and Jesus will untie the strings that make you sing false lyrics, seeing you are a captive of satan. Its not to late old man, for Jesus continues to love you even though you are not one of His. Repent, change your mind because your about to die and hell will be waiting. Its not too late for you even though you made a blood pact with satan. Jesus will come get you if you call on His name " mr monarch slave "

  • Notice how his lips do not mach the screen on the Schuller clip? Somebody is messed up.++++====whoever made this video.

    Graham did not deny Christ. He said that his duty was to preach the love of Christ. I have heard Graham preach about sin, hell, salvation, and Christ all my life.

  • GOD IS A FAG

  • A follower of Jesus: Read the Bible the words of Jesus Christ John3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life

    John 14:6 Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." This simply means confessing that you are a sinner and that you want Jesus to be the Lord of your life. (your past present and future sins will be forgiven by God through Jesus

  • why don't we just stop letting people tell us what's real, what's true and false, good and bad, and THINK

  • I like Zeus he was a better god than the jewish one.

  • @spareaxe hmm wrong you are

  • god forgives thats what makes our god so great with man everythings impos. but with god all things are possible. if he can forgive me and you he can certainly forgive your brother. remember god gets their before anyone. jesus died for all our sins. he said those who believe in me shall never die. we all will die my brother took his life to i was told. but no one can kill his soul only god thats why there is still hope for your brother an mine godbless. duke2640

  • This interview with Robert Shuller is taken out of context....God is calling a people out of paganism to Himself...not with their former beliefs, but to belief in Jesus Christ. Initially, they may not have known Christ but the Gospel's message and conviction of the Holy Spirit convinces them of an emptiness in their heart that can only be filled with an unadulterated relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ. So they come out of paganism to a true relationship with God. As we all did.

  • Billy did not say that Jesus was not the only way. He explained, in this video clip, precisely how that Jesus "is" the only way. He explained to those who have eyes to see, what the "Faith of Jesus Christ" is. He explained that it is a "state of heart". He explained that can be found in many more people around the world than just those who say they are christians with their mouths. He that hath Love, hath God, for God is Love. There are many in the hedge-rows showing us the way. Math. 22 vs.8-10

  • We should not judge anyone the Bible say.. If you believe, what he said is not correct, let them not follow it.... I believe Jesus the only way to GOD and heaven...

  • I used to be a devout religious believer, but turned away from faith in LIES after my dear younger brother committed suicide 5yrs ago.

    Getting our Priest to hold the funeral at all was hard enough- he kept preaching about self-killing being a mortal sin & that my bro would burn in hellfire for eternity. Half the family didn’t turn up as they were taught to believe the same crap, & some of those that did actually SPAT AT THE COFFIN, both in church & as it was lowered into the ground.

  • @SuperTruth77 hey man I'm sorry to hear about your brother, only God knows where your brother is, thats a very hard thing, I've had family members die lately, Jesus is the way the truth and the life and the only way to salvation, if you place your faith in Christ receiving repentance and applying the blood of Christ to your life you will be saved, suicide doesnt necessarily mean hell, denying Jesus means hell, but again it is a hard thing and I will pray for you and your family

  • @SuperTruth77 Just because some in your family acted wrongly doesn't mean Christianity as a whole is wrong. You can't throw it all out just because of a few of the believers. Sorry for your loss.

  • billy granh never new jesus whaw he can denies? you can not denie somtehing that you never know.he is a deaf and most give the goverment back what he stole in taxes

  • I don't really hear him denying that Jesus Christ is the only way but rather he has broadened the way of salvation to all religions and that's where he is wrong. Judism don't recognize Jesus as their savior and Islam believes Jesus was just another great prophet like Muhammad.

  • @SwingItLikeMoe billy graham is not standing up for Jesus here

  • @trevanismith I think I said as much. God's grace is extended to everyone but the problem with what Mr. Graham is telling everyone is Christ Jesus NOT the way but rather all religions are under the grace of God.

  • ummm where did he deny Jesus Christ, all I could see and here(I've read the transcript) is what the The Lord does to save souls without the help of the body of

    Christ being involved as He does all over the world.

    Which by the way is a blight on so called christians who profess to be Christ like

    but never evangelize, or witness to anyone.

  • @GodsOnly777 I was thinking the samee thing, sounds like someone has an ax to grind, peace

  • Christians today believe that the trading currency of the church is dollars and cents when in fact it is SOULS for the Kingdom of God. And that my freinds is what Dr. Graham has been doing all his life without fail!! So before you make your judgmental statements, think about that and keep your words in your mouth cause all it does is hurt God's will for the unsaved.

  • Christians are supposed to win souls for the kingdom through our lifestyle and culture. I guess that's why I have denounced my standing as a christian, cause everyone tell me about my sin and judge me when in the same light they are acting as God when they judge me which is also a SIN!!! That's why lucifer was cast into the deeps. I prefer to carry the title a Son of God rather than a Christian.

  • It is the role of God to judge Dr. Graham for his actions and deeds with Christ as the defendant! So please if you want to help the spreading of the gospel stop bickering about GOD's appointed and anointed. Trust me he is, cause if he wasn't God would have never allowed him to blaspheme for 93 years.

  • @MrDementia1 It's a fair view. I see both sides here. But God DOES allow people to hate & despise His Bible teachings. You CANNOT be a Christian and not know it. Period! And God allows Moslems to slaughter & murder Christians (& Jews and others) & allows Satanists and atheists to spread their false beliefs; just as He also allows apostates to preach their brands of pseudo-Christianity. We see in the New Testament that God allowed Gnostics and Judaizers to vaunt their beliefs and teachings.

  • For is entire evangelical life he has done nothing but preach the gospel! Been a ray of hope and inspiration to many people. healing, giving hope and faith through Christ. Well over 60 years of Ministry, so think of the people he saved and touched. Before you judge others for their action or what they say trying walking 1 cm in his evangelical shoes! I dislike judgmental people.

  • Mark 4:12 so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven."