Anyone who is out there on youtube TRYING to find nirvana... stop looking at your computer right away because that is not the real you trying to find the answer. that would be the ego mind trying to attach to something yet again. its much much vaster than anything you can try to do. its simply lies within the fact. I exist. Ponder it. I exist. The fact that you do not know how to NOT exist. I just exist. Realise how good it feels that you are experiencing.
Anyone who is out there on youtube TRYING to find nirvana... stop looking at your computer right away because that is not the real you trying to find the answer. that would be the ego mind trying to attach to something yet again. its much much vaster than anything you can try to do. its simply lies within the fact. I exist. Ponder it. I exist. The fact that you do not know how to NOT exist. I just exist. Realise how good it feels that you are experiencing.
I agree with you but don't find the solution that simple. We may ponder the infinite but we will never be infinite.We are left with the question of sharing to match what each person needs. How to fairly provide for others is as impossible to do as to define the word fair.
Humanity is blessed with intellect and the curse of needs.
Anyone can make me the favor of send me every word he says in this video for facilitate me the translation in spanish of this video? i will be so grateful if you can help me in this what i said :-) i think is good to put this in other language, and maybe you think the same..
la muerte es un hecho inevitable de la vida, asi como nacemos tenemos que morir y es un hecho irreversible. !!! Si regresamos a esta vida pero en otro cuerpo y otra situacion!! la religion es solo un apoyo emocional a lo que desconocemos de la vida, a los misterios que no podemos explicar de la vida y de la muerte!!!la religion sirve para que nosotros como animales con raciocinio e inteligencia y conciencia no descendamos al nivel mas puro de la animalidad!!!!!
words are the energetic expression of our collective social existence ,language tend to stop time and space as to orient ourselves for existence. Freedom is our collective need and desire for a world of cooperation for our common material /emotional needs and well being, so long as we are ruled by a minority and a MARKET SYSTEM of artificial scarcity FREEDOM will be our central agenda. We have the historic opportunity for freedom from want,poverty,suffering exploitation,war ..
@fntime As far as I know he doesn't believe in practical methods as achieving progression.Look for Osho he is much more practical.Though they both are very unique souls.
@fntime You are right actually,Krishnamurti can't be alternative to Osho as Krishnamurti was a dead man walking while Osho was one of the liveliest human beings there have been.Krishnamurti always had the looks and the soul of an old man as he never had any real life experience.Osho teaches you how you can actually live and have both worlds.Krishnamurti teaches you semantics on some spiritual awakening that cannot be achieved by any method.
@fntime Osho was one of the most controversial people I have seen and he embraced that.That's because he was so sharp.He was challenging everyone and everything.He had 100's of Rolls-Royces and watches worth hundreds of thousands of dollars just to challenge the old norms.I know he changed my life and he changed the life of 1000s of other people.There have been many accusations of him,none of them proven.
And even if those are true It still doesn't matter.
@fntime You seem angry and frustrated about it,has he done something bad to you?
You have some accusations but none of them are proven,they are usually used by people who are trying to discredit him or his teachings for whatever reason.
I'm not anyone's disciple(it's not the 80's anymore) and I'm not into those formal stuff.
@fntime All I care about is learning more about life and myself as I have found from my own experience that the more aware you are,the more you start to be amazed by life in all of it's dimensions.Osho has helped me tremendously and I find him to be amazing in his appearance and his teachings.
@fntime I don't care about defending him or whatever as he never cared about it neither.As I have said,even if he was the devil himself it still doesn't matter because I reap the benefits of his teachings in my everyday life.
He was not a God and he never claimed to be one.He was just offering something that he taught can help humanity.Take it or leave it.
Osho's teaching are not like the ultimate truth to me,but he gives me some light on the road.
@fntime Even if he was the devil himself,let him be.I have found thru my life experience that his teaching gave me enormous freedom and showed me dimensions I wasn't not aware off.He gave me different perspective at looking at life and this is a gift.If I think about it I don't think there has been other human being expect my mother that has done so much for me as Osho.And I haven't read anything from him in a while it is just something I have gained.
@fntime As far as Krishnamurti...You can see he has pure intentions and he has inspiring words but that's about it.He seems to be somewhere far and away and he does nothing for me from the standpoint of providing me with knowledge,path or whatever.He is dry and his teachings are like fairy-tale that you listen and after you wake up in the next day you have forgot all about it.
@fntime Osho was one of the most controversial people I have seen and he embraced that.That's because he was so sharp.He was challenging everyone and everything.He had 100's of Rolls-Royces and watches worth hundreds of thousands of dollars just to challenge the old norms.I know he changed my life and he changed the life of 1000s of other people.There have been many accusations of him,none of them proven.
And even if those are true It still doesn't matter.
@fntime You seem angry and frustrated about it,has he done something bad to you?
You have some accusations but none of them are proven,they are usually used by people who are trying to discredit him or his teachings for whatever reason.
I'm not anyone's disciple(it's not the 80's anymore) and I'm not into those formal stuff.
@fntime All I care about is learning more about life and myself as I have found from my own experience that the more aware you are,the more you start to be amazed by life in all of it's dimensions.Osho has helped me tremendously and I find him to be amazing in his appearance and his teachings.
@fntime I don't care about defending him or whatever as he never cared about it neither.As I have said,even if he was the devil himself it still doesn't matter because I reap the benefits of his teachings in my everyday life.
He was not a God and he never claimed to be one.He was just offering something that he taught can help humanity.Take it or leave it.
Osho's teaching are not like the ultimate truth to me,but he gives me some light on the road.
@fntime Even if he was the devil himself,let him be.I have found thru my life experience that his teaching gave me enormous freedom and showed me dimensions I wasn't not aware off.He gave me different perspective at looking at life and this is a gift.If I think about it I don't think there has been other human being expect my mother that has done so much for me as Osho.And I haven't read anything from him in a while it is just something I have gained.
@fntime As far as Krishnamurti...You can see he has pure intentions and he has inspiring words but that's about it.He seems to be somewhere far and away and he does nothing for me from the standpoint of providing me with knowledge,path or whatever.He is dry and his teachings are like fairy-tale that you listen and after you wake up in the next day you have forgot all about it.
Jiddu is so inspiring. If you are a truth seeker, check out this site I found, it is really good. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. This is the best site for truth seekers I have ever seen.
To seek the truth, go to google and type in Truth Contest, and click on the first result. Read The Present on the first page. If you can write a better entry, please let us know.
Nirvana - very simple feeling, when is impossible to harm any being, but to be in a state of silent pleasure, quiet love. It possible to feel after long sufferings, not reflections.
Also it is not necessary to argue on fear as Krishnamurti so much , but simply ..... to enter into the great fear: for this we need near us .... a person suggesting to us a huge fear , and you learn quickly , that fear - huge force, which demands very skilful and cautious relation.
Think on this...anyone who has attained enlightenment wouldn't be found telling everyone about it in youtube comments...so, what exactly are you looking for here?
Its so wonderful to have at my disposal a living philosophical being filmed and archived and free to watch here on u2b. Finally technology has impressed me. Channel thirteen has impressed me with such delightful authorers and philosophers fil makers. But to be able to pull up carl jung krismurti edgar cayce, and reverend ike any time and to hear their voices Youtube rocks. These guys woke me from the dream. .
Constant questioning combined with mindfulness meditation I think leads one to "nirvana".. which is really the natural state of the human being. Peace above concepts.. the only difficult part is the fear of realizing that it's all a concept.. although that isn't all that hard when one realizes that fear is yet another undefinable concept too.. :)
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What time of nonsense is this? Some impersonal ending, what nonsense is he speaking. No practical solutions of how to archive just inquire ROFL, glibber at best.
Or you are just lazy as hell, so you need a blueprint or a map to get anywhere... You need to work towards figuring things out, coming to an understanding.
@TheVedicStudent Those who say do not know, those who know do not say. Krishnamurti is merely saying, find out for yourself. Try answering this question without an old model. And find the answer through the unknown. Than you shall understand. So for once stop using old thoughts. Because everything you think, everything that I am thinking is old for once end all of that. And see what remains!
Fair comment on the knowing. It is well to remember not everything has an opposite but I guess you knew that already. So have you passed beyond the limits of KM?
I've often found that some things are better left unknown while others must be known. I would say it's best to be fully "awake". So much falls into the trap of dualistic discursive thinking. How can we speak of enlightenment? It is an experience that defies words.
Saattya said that this dualistic thinking was a trap and you are trying to use it to express something to Saattya. There is no possible way to convince someone of something using means they think are a trap.
It seems more that you just want to be heard rather than add anything of use to an open forum which is why you keep with this duality even though people think you've fallen into a trap because of it.
There is much more in existence than just me. What you are describing is solipsism.
Duality is a smoke and mirrors game where the only resolution is the appearance of resolution. Things aren't the contrast of their opposites only your concept OF that which you are perceiving. Things are only what they are and not what they are not.
Things aren't what I chose, they are what they are. There is such a thing as reality.
You can choose not to exist. You can change anybody's mind. If they don't accept the logic of your argument you can always appeal to consequences or morality or authority etc.
If you are willing to do anything you are capable of changing your mind.
You are simply spouting bullshit that annoys the shit out of me.
hahah you are an angry man! haha the think we call "I am" is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, and being I am described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal.
It is literally insane to think that you are trans or im-personal. "I" denotes an identity, not some wholeness or oneness.
What the "I" is is simply a sense of being separate and distinct from other things. It's not magical, it's certainly not infinite or transcendent. Reality is the matter and energy, time etc.
You are a part OF reality, not reality itself. You are entirely incorrect in every single thing that you have said and that's aggravating. Sure I'm angry, so what?
in silence all the defnitions, which you are spouting, cease.
You are not the only being that exists.
Being and non-being are contained in the absolute. How can you say I am a being. I am just as much non-being. As a matter of fact I am merely a thought. Once I drop that you can't say anything about what I am. It is useless to go on with this religious terminology.
Blapperz is correct. I think you might be talking from the right position, but I don't agree with your phrasing of it.
you must first realize that the goal is unattainable, yet K has said he experienced it. experienced what? a state that no words can describe? a state
that breaks the bonds of time and space?
wherein you feel the universe ITSELF is coursing through you like a thousand rivers? a state that you can't control? that comes and goes of it's own and may never return at all? a state where there is no time, only the ineffable beauty of the endless river? these are the questions you should be asking.
nirvana or samadhi is not a goal, that kind of spiritual attainment is a traditional belief of mystics the world over through time. but how can you get there if there is no goal? mystics believe following a path or a spiritual leader and doing works, self control, ect will bring this about eventually. notice that time is involved again in this universal belief. but only a few claim to have done it and you only have their word for it. so you left are empty handed again. is this even real?
so now you can see that time, psychological time, is not real. and when you say you will change in the future or that you will change with time, know that you are deceiving yourself. you will never get there, because you are always here, never there. change doesn't come with effort. it comes from seeing, realization. when you really see something, the change happens in that instant. no effort is needed, only attention, and attention comes with interest in the topic or situation.
@jafomab I agree. You told me a lot in very few words.
what also is true is that movement is so closely alignet with attention that its almost one thing. We can't really tell people to move and be still at the same time because language makes it unfortunate.
but we have memory because without memory we could not function in the physical universe. higher life forms such as animals also have it. with memory the brain creates a chemical "tape recording" of events and your daily experience and emotions as you live in the moment. but you never actually leave the moment. yet memory says there was yesterday and there will be tomorrow, because we remember (recorded or speculated) it. this is the human illusion. in the east this is called maya.
Dear Sir, Please don't repeat things you've "learnt". The true meaning of Maya is NOT illusion. It means measurement. As long as there is a center, everything is real. The moment the center (ego or me) vanishes the world vanishes. The world is NOT an illusion. It is the manifested form of the Brahman. Once the center goes, you'll be one with the unmanifested Brahman. The ego is a part of the manifested and on its level the world is REAL.
real in what sense? objectively,subjectively? also when there is no center then there is nothing...which cannot be anything, not even an experience, so do you mean to say the Self is the world?
I beg to differ. When there is no center there is still everything but there no separate entity conceptualizing.
The thing to understand is that thoughts and hence words come after "what is" and can therefore never capture it however grand it may look, to the mind. Truth is living as one unitary movement. The moment I open my mouth, it is gone.
The closest thing that comes close to the actuality is "silence". The silence which is "volcanic" as UG Krishnamurti puts it.
thoughts are just as much an expression of "what is" as a mountain is...and it is always 'one unitary movement' whether or not u realize it, the noise a bird makes is the same as the noise your brain makes, thoughts are not some epiphenomenon of the universe, they dont arise in a vacuum, rather thoughts are like anything else, they either work against the harmony of the system or work for the harmony of the system, the system being the universe, personally i beleive the whole deal with 'silence'
is the way for someone to simply become intune with the actuallity of thier situation, which is no separation, no 'in here' as opposed to 'out there' its all One thing and the problem with 'thinking' about what is, in terms of 'ultimate reality' or whatever you call it, is western thought, aristotelian logic, the whole belief in actual separate things an so forth, thus things like circular reasoning become what are called 'paradoxes' and become irrelavent, they contradict western intuition
but throughtout zen and tao paradoxes are very common as infact existence itself is a paradox, leaving one the conclusion at the end of it all that all things begin and end right now...thus it just Is
Existence isn't a paradox. That's like saying existence is non existence. It's not the essence of existence itself that behaves as your description OF it. The part cannot be the whole and you cannot capture existence.
ouch man damn...angry much?, sorry i offended you so deeply with my ideas, but in response how is your discription of existence differ from existence? existence is anything that exists right? so thoughts and conceptions exist and certainly your brain that comes up with these discriptions exists, and also "that's like saying existence is nonexistence" well then maybe thats what existence is, because non existence is only thought of in relation to existence,
The description of existence is just a description. It's not existence itself. By dealing with these concepts you spiritual people avoid the thingness itself.
I know what duality is. Don't waste my time with that. I'm saying that your duality is all bullshit. You're treating the symptom and not the disease. You are sick.
EVERYTHING is existence itself...thoughts, descriptions, computers, trees, brains, and magazines...where is this spooky disconnect you draw between thoughts about existence and existence itself, its not some separate ego making those conceptions, its existence not knowing what to call itself, but it still is existence itself, if the only reality is brahman then this word is brahman, all im doing is trying to see the pattern, i admit i dont know, and dont try to fool myself and trump myself up by
A part is not a whole, thoughts aren't existence itself.
The spooky disconnect IS changing the concept of existence as a solution for existence itself. It's treating the symptom and not the cause. Don't you see it's sick?
Duality is bullshit. It's the symptoms again. It's changing a definition to change the thing it describes.
My perceptions aren't "cleansed", perceptions are bullshit. That's the whole point! You are a priest praying to a ghost. You haven't solved shit this way!
It's perception attached is totally irrelevant to self evidence. If the thing is true then it's perception is irrelevant. See how you are getting lost in meanings? It's a sickness and I can help you.
Things are NOT their perceptions. Their perceptions are just perceptions. A description is not what it describes. Don't you see?
you tell me i get lost in meaning when you say me doing for the sake of doing is total madness, when in your own logic that is how things really, things are what they are...do you understand your own philosophy or are you borrowing?
The part is a part because it's being compared to the whole, but the thingness itself is not dependent. These categorizations are superfluous.
"therefor" stop right there! Bullshit meter is off the charts. Thoughts from the whole? The thoughts are parts. You are anthropomorphizing a concept of a "whole".
What the hell are you talking about? Can you see why I'd think you were loony?
and yes im anthropomorphizing the whole because humans or thoughts or tennis balls or ANYTHING AT ALL is not separate from it and only exist in virtue of the whole it is a localized expression of the whole cosmos, human nature didnt arise in a vacuum, everything about us grows out of the universe the same way apples grow out of a tree, and if anything im trying to eliminate categories by trying to express, as many different ways as i can, the underlying unity of all things...even bullshit...
and the part cannot be separated from the whole, the part expresses its identity and facets from the whole, therefore the whole expresses thoughts about itself through humans... understand?
labeling others as sick because thats simply the whole one-upmanship, "my truth is better than these people's truth" hahahaha existence trying to get one over on itself, i see it this way: earth right now is remembering(only marginally in the fringe of its thoughts) that it is one in the deepest sense with everything else while at the same time this realization is coming over it, it is surging into its peak moments of internal crisis(dualtiy) it is divided against itself
blapperz tends to use the word "sick" when he is referring to everybody except himself.
He has the need to change everyone on this planet for his peace of mind I guess. Since that is obviously impossible I suppose he has already failed on his goal and that would explain why he is so angry all the time and drown in contradictions.
This "whole" talk is bullshit is a "part" of the whole you are describing as dualized with "nothingness". Just tell me what you are trying to convey without all the process. Get to the point already.
The thingness is the thing that the concept/word describes/points to. The thing is not it's word.
You are just spouting some mantra in flowery language as far as I can tell. Talk to me like I'm a toddler. It just sounds so meaningless as "underlying unity" and "the universe is an apple".
well if by "flowery language" you mean im not using many curse words to defend my point because i feel my philosophy is threatened then i guess i am using flowery language, you are feverishly trying to explain how my arguement is "bullshit" and havent yet done it, why do people ALWAYS get pissy what is that?? are you so insecure in your own understanding that you have to cling so you dont sink into total confusion, and ive made my point...read my earlier comments..maybe you missed it...
Your concept OF nothingness needs everything to contrast. The concept is not the reality. This is my whole problem with spirituality. You are all sophists playing with ideas and pretending it's changed your life.
The now is the only thing that exsts. SO WHAT?! There are remnants of the past which are vitally important and clues to the future. And by that I merely mean physical evidence.
We don't share an "I". Our "I"s are independent and distinct from each other. The concept is the same.
kinda like when someone is haveing a personal crisis and needs to quit drinking but cant so they hate themselves for drinking and are angry drunks instead of happy drunk haha, a person who is depressed is a person divided within, doesnt know who they are, but trys to be this or that, "These people are sick and im am not sick, my perceptions are cleansed" are they?
and can only be concieved of by something that exists, so... something-nothing, up-down, white-black, both define each other... true and false, of course we no that existence is true and non existence is false for the only thing that cannot exist is nothing, and if its nothing then it is nothing it has no reality other than it is the opposite of something but anyways ima stop now gotta go to work....again sorry i hurt your feelings..........
@jafomab Most Animals are creatures of Habit/Instinct..Science is still studying Memory and have "not " located how we reason it or store it.. The past is a Memory .A,thought is either that ,[memory] or a projection to the Future /Desire.
it will help you to realize the concept of time. there are two kinds of time. one is real and the other is not. time by the clock is real, it is simply the measurement of physical change in the universe. someone created the clock to
measure our travel around the sun and that time is true. psychological time is different, it has no reality except within our minds. you only exist in this moment, you can only experience this moment. the future and the past are mere concepts, not real.
it isn't intellectual. when you see these things, you are changed right down to the cells in your brain. as K put it, the change mutates the brain, as the physical matter of thought has now left the restriction of it's previous conditioned pattern. when i add these comments it is because i can see the answers, not as thoughts, but as a whole understanding of that point being discussed. K was sure that anyone could do what he did vis a vis seeing the whole.
its ok it happens...try reading ramana maharshi....i think JD talks about the same thing without giving it a religious twist...he is telling you to self inquire - who are you ? :) listen, what it means to end....is there an end ?
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nirvana, cosmic consciousness can only come to you unknown and unexpected. you can't go to it by any means or training no matter how hard or long you try. yet you have to demand this, or it may not find you. to demand it is begin your inquiry. is it real? IS IT A HOAX?
he described it in P. Jayakar's biography. it won't solve your problems or sorrows, (the teaching is for that) yet it is the ultimate blessing, and it is a breaking of the bonds of time and space in a way undescribable. as a human being, this is your LEGACY, if you don't scream for this thing then why are you here?
I think the first question should be what is Nirvana. Is it just a manufactured and imotive word, a noise which has been created by thought? or is it an actual state of mind? I would like to meet the person who has touched Nirvana and I havn't met anyone who has yet. Maybe K did, who knows? I do though think there's a lot of airy tosh spoken about it. How does one give voice to something that is unknown? I don't think demands can be made in these matters. What is the nature of one who demands?
"I have experienced Nirvana" Since I don't know you and the experience was essentially yours it's difficult to pass comments other than to suggest I doubt that you have. My view is that the word Nirvana is one thrown around like confetti at a wedding, much as the word Love is. I have no interest in Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religion for that matter. I much prefer to be free of those beliefs and move ahead in life without those crutches.
someone could subtitle please? also english it's ok!!
Rilton2024 4 days ago
Anyone who is out there on youtube TRYING to find nirvana... stop looking at your computer right away because that is not the real you trying to find the answer. that would be the ego mind trying to attach to something yet again. its much much vaster than anything you can try to do. its simply lies within the fact. I exist. Ponder it. I exist. The fact that you do not know how to NOT exist. I just exist. Realise how good it feels that you are experiencing.
ncripzx 1 week ago
If you can follow Osho as a 'spiritual path' then I'm sure you can
follow Hitler as the 'new man'!
If you are not part of Osho's cult, I'd be glad to help you,\
but if you are defending Osho, "How about you take it down
the road", the place where idiots, losers and the deranged
wind up!
fntime 4 weeks ago
someone could subtitle please? also english it's ok!!
Rilton2024 4 days ago
Anyone who is out there on youtube TRYING to find nirvana... stop looking at your computer right away because that is not the real you trying to find the answer. that would be the ego mind trying to attach to something yet again. its much much vaster than anything you can try to do. its simply lies within the fact. I exist. Ponder it. I exist. The fact that you do not know how to NOT exist. I just exist. Realise how good it feels that you are experiencing.
ncripzx 1 week ago
If you can follow Osho as a 'spiritual path' then I'm sure you can
follow Hitler as the 'new man'!
If you are not part of Osho's cult, I'd be glad to help you,\
but if you are defending Osho, "How about you take it down
the road", the place where idiots, losers and the deranged
wind up!
fntime 4 weeks ago
@arzoyan
I agree with you but don't find the solution that simple. We may ponder the infinite but we will never be infinite.We are left with the question of sharing to match what each person needs. How to fairly provide for others is as impossible to do as to define the word fair.
Humanity is blessed with intellect and the curse of needs.
iiiears 2 months ago
Anyone can make me the favor of send me every word he says in this video for facilitate me the translation in spanish of this video? i will be so grateful if you can help me in this what i said :-) i think is good to put this in other language, and maybe you think the same..
jetaris 2 months ago
wow!
MrDavidwilson86 3 months ago
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ikevcolt 4 months ago
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focalsoccer 5 months ago
la muerte es un hecho inevitable de la vida, asi como nacemos tenemos que morir y es un hecho irreversible. !!! Si regresamos a esta vida pero en otro cuerpo y otra situacion!! la religion es solo un apoyo emocional a lo que desconocemos de la vida, a los misterios que no podemos explicar de la vida y de la muerte!!!la religion sirve para que nosotros como animales con raciocinio e inteligencia y conciencia no descendamos al nivel mas puro de la animalidad!!!!!
meliozin 6 months ago
words are the energetic expression of our collective social existence ,language tend to stop time and space as to orient ourselves for existence. Freedom is our collective need and desire for a world of cooperation for our common material /emotional needs and well being, so long as we are ruled by a minority and a MARKET SYSTEM of artificial scarcity FREEDOM will be our central agenda. We have the historic opportunity for freedom from want,poverty,suffering exploitation,war ..
arzoyan 6 months ago
I've read a few books by him and listened to many video's.
BUT, is it only me, but he sounds like the Peter Sellers
character in Being There. There isn't much there that is
practical.
fntime 7 months ago
@fntime As far as I know he doesn't believe in practical methods as achieving progression.Look for Osho he is much more practical.Though they both are very unique souls.
Sumalia 4 months ago
@Sumalia If you are offering Osho as an alternative to Krishnamurti
then you have more work to do.
Osho is a alcoholic womanizer, who feels a need to 'fuck' his
female followers. He is a con man who feeds off people with
a spiritual thirst. Don't ever recommend a con man!
I hope it's ignorance instead of intention on your part!
fntime 4 weeks ago
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Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime You are right actually,Krishnamurti can't be alternative to Osho as Krishnamurti was a dead man walking while Osho was one of the liveliest human beings there have been.Krishnamurti always had the looks and the soul of an old man as he never had any real life experience.Osho teaches you how you can actually live and have both worlds.Krishnamurti teaches you semantics on some spiritual awakening that cannot be achieved by any method.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime Osho was one of the most controversial people I have seen and he embraced that.That's because he was so sharp.He was challenging everyone and everything.He had 100's of Rolls-Royces and watches worth hundreds of thousands of dollars just to challenge the old norms.I know he changed my life and he changed the life of 1000s of other people.There have been many accusations of him,none of them proven.
And even if those are true It still doesn't matter.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@Sumalia Osho is a dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Being a drunk rapist who is a leader of a 'cult',
is not what people need if they are on the 'road'
to spirtual developemnt!
Osho is an Elmer Gantry fake, phoney, fraud!!!
If he changed your life, then it's a credit to YOU!
And if your an Osho disciple, then you are on the
wrong path.
Osho = Con Man!
fntime 4 weeks ago
@fntime You seem angry and frustrated about it,has he done something bad to you?
You have some accusations but none of them are proven,they are usually used by people who are trying to discredit him or his teachings for whatever reason.
I'm not anyone's disciple(it's not the 80's anymore) and I'm not into those formal stuff.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime All I care about is learning more about life and myself as I have found from my own experience that the more aware you are,the more you start to be amazed by life in all of it's dimensions.Osho has helped me tremendously and I find him to be amazing in his appearance and his teachings.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime I don't care about defending him or whatever as he never cared about it neither.As I have said,even if he was the devil himself it still doesn't matter because I reap the benefits of his teachings in my everyday life.
He was not a God and he never claimed to be one.He was just offering something that he taught can help humanity.Take it or leave it.
Osho's teaching are not like the ultimate truth to me,but he gives me some light on the road.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime Good luck with whatever you find suited for you.
Done talking to you.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime For whatever reason my responses appear on reverse order.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime Even if he was the devil himself,let him be.I have found thru my life experience that his teaching gave me enormous freedom and showed me dimensions I wasn't not aware off.He gave me different perspective at looking at life and this is a gift.If I think about it I don't think there has been other human being expect my mother that has done so much for me as Osho.And I haven't read anything from him in a while it is just something I have gained.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime As far as Krishnamurti...You can see he has pure intentions and he has inspiring words but that's about it.He seems to be somewhere far and away and he does nothing for me from the standpoint of providing me with knowledge,path or whatever.He is dry and his teachings are like fairy-tale that you listen and after you wake up in the next day you have forgot all about it.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@Sumalia Thank you, you described my feeling completely1
Krishnamurti is a very interesting man. Robert DeRopp mentions
him, he lived in Calif near him.
I have listened to many of his tapes and I don't get it!
He says nothing wrong, but nothing new!!!!
fntime 4 weeks ago
@fntime Osho was one of the most controversial people I have seen and he embraced that.That's because he was so sharp.He was challenging everyone and everything.He had 100's of Rolls-Royces and watches worth hundreds of thousands of dollars just to challenge the old norms.I know he changed my life and he changed the life of 1000s of other people.There have been many accusations of him,none of them proven.
And even if those are true It still doesn't matter.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@Sumalia Osho is a dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Being a drunk rapist who is a leader of a 'cult',
is not what people need if they are on the 'road'
to spirtual developemnt!
Osho is an Elmer Gantry fake, phoney, fraud!!!
If he changed your life, then it's a credit to YOU!
And if your an Osho disciple, then you are on the
wrong path.
Osho = Con Man!
fntime 4 weeks ago
@fntime You seem angry and frustrated about it,has he done something bad to you?
You have some accusations but none of them are proven,they are usually used by people who are trying to discredit him or his teachings for whatever reason.
I'm not anyone's disciple(it's not the 80's anymore) and I'm not into those formal stuff.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime All I care about is learning more about life and myself as I have found from my own experience that the more aware you are,the more you start to be amazed by life in all of it's dimensions.Osho has helped me tremendously and I find him to be amazing in his appearance and his teachings.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime I don't care about defending him or whatever as he never cared about it neither.As I have said,even if he was the devil himself it still doesn't matter because I reap the benefits of his teachings in my everyday life.
He was not a God and he never claimed to be one.He was just offering something that he taught can help humanity.Take it or leave it.
Osho's teaching are not like the ultimate truth to me,but he gives me some light on the road.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime Good luck with whatever you find suited for you.
Done talking to you.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime For whatever reason my responses appear on reverse order.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime Even if he was the devil himself,let him be.I have found thru my life experience that his teaching gave me enormous freedom and showed me dimensions I wasn't not aware off.He gave me different perspective at looking at life and this is a gift.If I think about it I don't think there has been other human being expect my mother that has done so much for me as Osho.And I haven't read anything from him in a while it is just something I have gained.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@fntime As far as Krishnamurti...You can see he has pure intentions and he has inspiring words but that's about it.He seems to be somewhere far and away and he does nothing for me from the standpoint of providing me with knowledge,path or whatever.He is dry and his teachings are like fairy-tale that you listen and after you wake up in the next day you have forgot all about it.
Sumalia 4 weeks ago
@Sumalia Thank you, you described my feeling completely1
Krishnamurti is a very interesting man. Robert DeRopp mentions
him, he lived in Calif near him.
I have listened to many of his tapes and I don't get it!
He says nothing wrong, but nothing new!!!!
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fuckmania07 7 months ago
we are all one human consciousness
human2011able 10 months ago
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DemianHermann 10 months ago
The key to enlightenment is to lighten up.
BipolarBowler 10 months ago
@BipolarBowler that's a nice, simple way of putting it. but that alone wouldn't go very far in terms of making an evolution in the mind :)
AlwaysBe5 8 months ago
Great band. Glad Jiddu approves.
jeanclaudevandamme 1 year ago
Nirvana - very simple feeling, when is impossible to harm any being, but to be in a state of silent pleasure, quiet love. It possible to feel after long sufferings, not reflections.
Also it is not necessary to argue on fear as Krishnamurti so much , but simply ..... to enter into the great fear: for this we need near us .... a person suggesting to us a huge fear , and you learn quickly , that fear - huge force, which demands very skilful and cautious relation.
10axyz 1 year ago
he looks like a small old grey on this video !
douglasmacjames 1 year ago
Think on this...anyone who has attained enlightenment wouldn't be found telling everyone about it in youtube comments...so, what exactly are you looking for here?
ObservationaLee 1 year ago
@ObservationaLee hahaha
shishimore 1 year ago
Its so wonderful to have at my disposal a living philosophical being filmed and archived and free to watch here on u2b. Finally technology has impressed me. Channel thirteen has impressed me with such delightful authorers and philosophers fil makers. But to be able to pull up carl jung krismurti edgar cayce, and reverend ike any time and to hear their voices Youtube rocks. These guys woke me from the dream. .
moesez1 1 year ago
I provide a simple answer to who am I see my response. Krishnamurti I can do it better then you! Thanks!
TheVedicStudent 1 year ago
This old man on his death bed said he had been speaking for 70 years
and no one had the foggiest idea what he was saying
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit His teachings are hard for the mind to accept.
JazzyKat2009 1 year ago
@JazzyKat2009 what he said in a nutshell is
the thinking process must end
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit Indeed. Until we don´t free our mind from concepts, percepcions, self control etc... we won´t get it. Wiseman
tchiritchou 1 year ago
wow, i didn't know this song! love u KURT
rachmaninofflifegoal 1 year ago
@rachmaninofflifegoal lol
zahropit 1 year ago
@rachmaninofflifegoal thats hilarious!
W00lyBully 1 year ago
@rachmaninofflifegoal funnny
W00lyBully 1 year ago
Constant questioning combined with mindfulness meditation I think leads one to "nirvana".. which is really the natural state of the human being. Peace above concepts.. the only difficult part is the fear of realizing that it's all a concept.. although that isn't all that hard when one realizes that fear is yet another undefinable concept too.. :)
ravkes 1 year ago
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Lotta2009 2 years ago 18
@Lotta2009 Not that it matters, but UG is a different dude.
shepherdbaba 1 year ago
U can say that U.G. is different than Jiddu but he is the same.
johnyzt 1 year ago
@Lotta2009 why'd u put a UG Krishnamurti quote with a JK video?
19grand 8 months ago
@19grand delent. greeetz
Lotta2009 7 months ago
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What time of nonsense is this? Some impersonal ending, what nonsense is he speaking. No practical solutions of how to archive just inquire ROFL, glibber at best.
TheVedicStudent 2 years ago
It's like jazz. if you have to ask, you're never going to understand.
Following J. Krishnamurti's advice with an intelligent mind and open heart allows for one to have a blissful and peaceful existence. Its a choice.
omaxpi 2 years ago
Stop posting nonsense. Its not like Jazz.. Look up term Glib.
TheVedicStudent 2 years ago
Or you are just lazy as hell, so you need a blueprint or a map to get anywhere... You need to work towards figuring things out, coming to an understanding.
AlomTitkar 2 years ago
@TheVedicStudent Those who say do not know, those who know do not say. Krishnamurti is merely saying, find out for yourself. Try answering this question without an old model. And find the answer through the unknown. Than you shall understand. So for once stop using old thoughts. Because everything you think, everything that I am thinking is old for once end all of that. And see what remains!
arvi2010 2 years ago 13
he is like dr. phil
mrheybuster1 2 years ago
dr. phil indeed
EspressoPictures 1 year ago
Have you heard the one about 'Goal posts in space?'
slightlymooshed 2 years ago
Fair comment on the knowing. It is well to remember not everything has an opposite but I guess you knew that already. So have you passed beyond the limits of KM?
slightlymooshed 2 years ago
Then, not knowing is a 'prequisite' to learning....
slightlymooshed 2 years ago
@slightlymooshed
Knowing is knowing. Knowing is not the opposite of knowing becoming knowing. These people are sophists, ignore them.
blapperz 2 years ago
Please answer this question... Is it better 'to know' or 'not know'?
slightlymooshed 2 years ago
I've often found that some things are better left unknown while others must be known. I would say it's best to be fully "awake". So much falls into the trap of dualistic discursive thinking. How can we speak of enlightenment? It is an experience that defies words.
Saattya108 2 years ago
one is not "Better" than the other...
the only way to 'know' is to not 'know' first.
like the only way to exist is to not exist first.
its a contrast. look beyond it..
namaste
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
@indigoskrubz
Saattya said that this dualistic thinking was a trap and you are trying to use it to express something to Saattya. There is no possible way to convince someone of something using means they think are a trap.
It seems more that you just want to be heard rather than add anything of use to an open forum which is why you keep with this duality even though people think you've fallen into a trap because of it.
Don't forget my other comment
blapperz 2 years ago
you can use the dualistic thinking to bring you to the center of all of it!
im just trying to help. :)
i mean after all you are the only being that exists so its really all up to you want you chose to do.
peace
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
There is much more in existence than just me. What you are describing is solipsism.
Duality is a smoke and mirrors game where the only resolution is the appearance of resolution. Things aren't the contrast of their opposites only your concept OF that which you are perceiving. Things are only what they are and not what they are not.
Things aren't what I chose, they are what they are. There is such a thing as reality.
blapperz 2 years ago
yea i mean i agree i mean you can't chose to exist now can you haha
i just enjoy the ride
solipsism is a funny state because one cannot diprove it to the one who veiws the world this way haha
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
You can choose not to exist. You can change anybody's mind. If they don't accept the logic of your argument you can always appeal to consequences or morality or authority etc.
If you are willing to do anything you are capable of changing your mind.
You are simply spouting bullshit that annoys the shit out of me.
blapperz 2 years ago
hahah you are an angry man! haha the think we call "I am" is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, and being I am described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal.
those are my veiws sorry if it offends you
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
It is literally insane to think that you are trans or im-personal. "I" denotes an identity, not some wholeness or oneness.
What the "I" is is simply a sense of being separate and distinct from other things. It's not magical, it's certainly not infinite or transcendent. Reality is the matter and energy, time etc.
You are a part OF reality, not reality itself. You are entirely incorrect in every single thing that you have said and that's aggravating. Sure I'm angry, so what?
blapperz 2 years ago
i didn't say anger is bad :)
because you are "I"
if you cut off your hand you can still live... but if you cut out the air you die.. so witch is more you? the air or your hand?
we are the same thing if you go far enough back.
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
you are correct.
he is wrong.
mujoshu 2 years ago
@mujoshu
Thanks? I don't really care who said what accurately describes reality, I care about reality. Who is correct is beside the point.
blapperz 2 years ago
:)
pretty transparent.
mujoshu 2 years ago
@mujoshu
I'm trying to be as transparent as possible. Why would anyone lie or not be entirely transparent if they wanted you to understand something.
I do have a little bit of an issue with the elitist bullshit you are expressing from the smug little comments you've made.
So, in lack of better words. If you have something to say then say it, you douchebag.
blapperz 2 years ago
like I said
mujoshu 2 years ago
@mujoshu
Okay. To what do you refer, what is the meaning of saying so, and why direct it at me?
Doesn't that say something about you? Why should I care? What are you talking about?
blapperz 2 years ago
The ability to see the I am is evidence of the transpersonal. The I AM itself is produced by the body. It leaves when the body leaves.
mujoshu 2 years ago
in silence all the defnitions, which you are spouting, cease.
You are not the only being that exists.
Being and non-being are contained in the absolute. How can you say I am a being. I am just as much non-being. As a matter of fact I am merely a thought. Once I drop that you can't say anything about what I am. It is useless to go on with this religious terminology.
Blapperz is correct. I think you might be talking from the right position, but I don't agree with your phrasing of it.
mujoshu 2 years ago
agin knowin you are the brahman helped me but yes it can probably be said better
once you speak of enlightenment its not that
hahha trust me i know what you mean
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
Cool. Great reply by the way. I'm not used to a non-hostile non-defensive response like that here on youtube.
mujoshu 2 years ago
@indigoskrubz People who go around helping other people are a curse! J. Krishnamurti.
JazzyKat2009 1 year ago
@JazzyKat2009
he spoke too much
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@slightlymooshed I don't know...
ObservationaLee 1 year ago
Just love - everything will be clear then :o)
jalzinho1 2 years ago
true
phobosx12 2 years ago
I can't agree more. That's the only thing that has to be said. The rest is influenced by this basic principle :)
S1L3nCe 2 years ago
:o)
jalzinho1 2 years ago
true but when you dont feel the love bickering will have to do
phobosx12 2 years ago
puede alguien traducirlo al español?
gracias
iVANLUengo 2 years ago
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kirk7524875248 2 years ago
you must first realize that the goal is unattainable, yet K has said he experienced it. experienced what? a state that no words can describe? a state
that breaks the bonds of time and space?
wherein you feel the universe ITSELF is coursing through you like a thousand rivers? a state that you can't control? that comes and goes of it's own and may never return at all? a state where there is no time, only the ineffable beauty of the endless river? these are the questions you should be asking.
jafomab 2 years ago
'never stop seeking that which seems unattainable"
phobosx12 2 years ago
nirvana or samadhi is not a goal, that kind of spiritual attainment is a traditional belief of mystics the world over through time. but how can you get there if there is no goal? mystics believe following a path or a spiritual leader and doing works, self control, ect will bring this about eventually. notice that time is involved again in this universal belief. but only a few claim to have done it and you only have their word for it. so you left are empty handed again. is this even real?
jafomab 2 years ago
so now you can see that time, psychological time, is not real. and when you say you will change in the future or that you will change with time, know that you are deceiving yourself. you will never get there, because you are always here, never there. change doesn't come with effort. it comes from seeing, realization. when you really see something, the change happens in that instant. no effort is needed, only attention, and attention comes with interest in the topic or situation.
jafomab 2 years ago 12
beautifully expressed..
LatinoParaSiempre 2 years ago
@jafomab
It's been long since you wrote this, but I could not have said it better!!!! Without effort, but attention!
szmako 1 year ago
@jafomab I agree. You told me a lot in very few words.
what also is true is that movement is so closely alignet with attention that its almost one thing. We can't really tell people to move and be still at the same time because language makes it unfortunate.
But that's how you are present.
DefiniereVerrafft 1 year ago
but we have memory because without memory we could not function in the physical universe. higher life forms such as animals also have it. with memory the brain creates a chemical "tape recording" of events and your daily experience and emotions as you live in the moment. but you never actually leave the moment. yet memory says there was yesterday and there will be tomorrow, because we remember (recorded or speculated) it. this is the human illusion. in the east this is called maya.
jafomab 2 years ago 3
Dear Sir, Please don't repeat things you've "learnt". The true meaning of Maya is NOT illusion. It means measurement. As long as there is a center, everything is real. The moment the center (ego or me) vanishes the world vanishes. The world is NOT an illusion. It is the manifested form of the Brahman. Once the center goes, you'll be one with the unmanifested Brahman. The ego is a part of the manifested and on its level the world is REAL.
annisha1975 2 years ago
real in what sense? objectively,subjectively? also when there is no center then there is nothing...which cannot be anything, not even an experience, so do you mean to say the Self is the world?
phobosx12 2 years ago
I beg to differ. When there is no center there is still everything but there no separate entity conceptualizing.
The thing to understand is that thoughts and hence words come after "what is" and can therefore never capture it however grand it may look, to the mind. Truth is living as one unitary movement. The moment I open my mouth, it is gone.
The closest thing that comes close to the actuality is "silence". The silence which is "volcanic" as UG Krishnamurti puts it.
annisha1975 2 years ago
thoughts are just as much an expression of "what is" as a mountain is...and it is always 'one unitary movement' whether or not u realize it, the noise a bird makes is the same as the noise your brain makes, thoughts are not some epiphenomenon of the universe, they dont arise in a vacuum, rather thoughts are like anything else, they either work against the harmony of the system or work for the harmony of the system, the system being the universe, personally i beleive the whole deal with 'silence'
phobosx12 2 years ago
is the way for someone to simply become intune with the actuallity of thier situation, which is no separation, no 'in here' as opposed to 'out there' its all One thing and the problem with 'thinking' about what is, in terms of 'ultimate reality' or whatever you call it, is western thought, aristotelian logic, the whole belief in actual separate things an so forth, thus things like circular reasoning become what are called 'paradoxes' and become irrelavent, they contradict western intuition
phobosx12 2 years ago
but throughtout zen and tao paradoxes are very common as infact existence itself is a paradox, leaving one the conclusion at the end of it all that all things begin and end right now...thus it just Is
phobosx12 2 years ago
@phobosx
Existence isn't a paradox. That's like saying existence is non existence. It's not the essence of existence itself that behaves as your description OF it. The part cannot be the whole and you cannot capture existence.
You are just a pretentious fuck, that's all.
blapperz 2 years ago
ouch man damn...angry much?, sorry i offended you so deeply with my ideas, but in response how is your discription of existence differ from existence? existence is anything that exists right? so thoughts and conceptions exist and certainly your brain that comes up with these discriptions exists, and also "that's like saying existence is nonexistence" well then maybe thats what existence is, because non existence is only thought of in relation to existence,
phobosx12 2 years ago
The description of existence is just a description. It's not existence itself. By dealing with these concepts you spiritual people avoid the thingness itself.
I know what duality is. Don't waste my time with that. I'm saying that your duality is all bullshit. You're treating the symptom and not the disease. You are sick.
blapperz 2 years ago
EVERYTHING is existence itself...thoughts, descriptions, computers, trees, brains, and magazines...where is this spooky disconnect you draw between thoughts about existence and existence itself, its not some separate ego making those conceptions, its existence not knowing what to call itself, but it still is existence itself, if the only reality is brahman then this word is brahman, all im doing is trying to see the pattern, i admit i dont know, and dont try to fool myself and trump myself up by
phobosx12 2 years ago
A part is not a whole, thoughts aren't existence itself.
The spooky disconnect IS changing the concept of existence as a solution for existence itself. It's treating the symptom and not the cause. Don't you see it's sick?
Duality is bullshit. It's the symptoms again. It's changing a definition to change the thing it describes.
My perceptions aren't "cleansed", perceptions are bullshit. That's the whole point! You are a priest praying to a ghost. You haven't solved shit this way!
blapperz 2 years ago
and i disagree
phobosx12 2 years ago
does the smile cause the happiness or the happiness cause the smile?...sometimes both.
phobosx12 2 years ago 2
Happiness causes the smile. What's the relevance of this comment? How is that addressing the points I've made?
You are putting meaning in meaningless things. You do for the sake of doing. It's total madness.
blapperz 2 years ago
the universe is done for the sake of being done, the universe is for its own sake...its total madness...
phobosx12 2 years ago
"perceptions are bullshit".... nice perception...
phobosx12 2 years ago
It's perception attached is totally irrelevant to self evidence. If the thing is true then it's perception is irrelevant. See how you are getting lost in meanings? It's a sickness and I can help you.
Things are NOT their perceptions. Their perceptions are just perceptions. A description is not what it describes. Don't you see?
blapperz 2 years ago
you tell me i get lost in meaning when you say me doing for the sake of doing is total madness, when in your own logic that is how things really, things are what they are...do you understand your own philosophy or are you borrowing?
phobosx12 2 years ago
The part is a part because it's being compared to the whole, but the thingness itself is not dependent. These categorizations are superfluous.
"therefor" stop right there! Bullshit meter is off the charts. Thoughts from the whole? The thoughts are parts. You are anthropomorphizing a concept of a "whole".
What the hell are you talking about? Can you see why I'd think you were loony?
blapperz 2 years ago
wut u mean by thingness? thingness not dependent on what?
phobosx12 2 years ago
and yes im anthropomorphizing the whole because humans or thoughts or tennis balls or ANYTHING AT ALL is not separate from it and only exist in virtue of the whole it is a localized expression of the whole cosmos, human nature didnt arise in a vacuum, everything about us grows out of the universe the same way apples grow out of a tree, and if anything im trying to eliminate categories by trying to express, as many different ways as i can, the underlying unity of all things...even bullshit...
phobosx12 2 years ago
namaste :)
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
and the part cannot be separated from the whole, the part expresses its identity and facets from the whole, therefore the whole expresses thoughts about itself through humans... understand?
phobosx12 2 years ago
labeling others as sick because thats simply the whole one-upmanship, "my truth is better than these people's truth" hahahaha existence trying to get one over on itself, i see it this way: earth right now is remembering(only marginally in the fringe of its thoughts) that it is one in the deepest sense with everything else while at the same time this realization is coming over it, it is surging into its peak moments of internal crisis(dualtiy) it is divided against itself
phobosx12 2 years ago
blapperz tends to use the word "sick" when he is referring to everybody except himself.
He has the need to change everyone on this planet for his peace of mind I guess. Since that is obviously impossible I suppose he has already failed on his goal and that would explain why he is so angry all the time and drown in contradictions.
Or may be I'm just sick? hehehe
S1L3nCe 2 years ago
sick as a dog silence sick as a dog haha
phobosx12 2 years ago
@silence
I consider people who express symptoms of sickness as being sick. duh?
What contradictions? Name ONE. I'm the petty one? The angry one? The one twisting words and meanings? Bullshit! What a "contradiction".
blapperz 2 years ago
well then consider that maybe you your coming down with something then....
phobosx12 2 years ago
This "whole" talk is bullshit is a "part" of the whole you are describing as dualized with "nothingness". Just tell me what you are trying to convey without all the process. Get to the point already.
The thingness is the thing that the concept/word describes/points to. The thing is not it's word.
You are just spouting some mantra in flowery language as far as I can tell. Talk to me like I'm a toddler. It just sounds so meaningless as "underlying unity" and "the universe is an apple".
blapperz 2 years ago
well if by "flowery language" you mean im not using many curse words to defend my point because i feel my philosophy is threatened then i guess i am using flowery language, you are feverishly trying to explain how my arguement is "bullshit" and havent yet done it, why do people ALWAYS get pissy what is that?? are you so insecure in your own understanding that you have to cling so you dont sink into total confusion, and ive made my point...read my earlier comments..maybe you missed it...
phobosx12 2 years ago
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blapperz 2 years ago
everything needs nothingness to contrast..
behind this reality is all this in its unmafested form.
the onlything that exists is "Now" and "I"
witch from your perspective is (you)
and my persective is me. we share this "I".
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
Your concept OF nothingness needs everything to contrast. The concept is not the reality. This is my whole problem with spirituality. You are all sophists playing with ideas and pretending it's changed your life.
The now is the only thing that exsts. SO WHAT?! There are remnants of the past which are vitally important and clues to the future. And by that I merely mean physical evidence.
We don't share an "I". Our "I"s are independent and distinct from each other. The concept is the same.
blapperz 2 years ago
hahah its all a game man! a cosmic game! no goals no purpuse!
namaste
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
kinda like when someone is haveing a personal crisis and needs to quit drinking but cant so they hate themselves for drinking and are angry drunks instead of happy drunk haha, a person who is depressed is a person divided within, doesnt know who they are, but trys to be this or that, "These people are sick and im am not sick, my perceptions are cleansed" are they?
phobosx12 2 years ago
and can only be concieved of by something that exists, so... something-nothing, up-down, white-black, both define each other... true and false, of course we no that existence is true and non existence is false for the only thing that cannot exist is nothing, and if its nothing then it is nothing it has no reality other than it is the opposite of something but anyways ima stop now gotta go to work....again sorry i hurt your feelings..........
phobosx12 2 years ago
this comment still makes me giggle lol
phobosx12 2 years ago
@jafomab Most Animals are creatures of Habit/Instinct..Science is still studying Memory and have "not " located how we reason it or store it.. The past is a Memory .A,thought is either that ,[memory] or a projection to the Future /Desire.
DYNODRUM 1 year ago
it will help you to realize the concept of time. there are two kinds of time. one is real and the other is not. time by the clock is real, it is simply the measurement of physical change in the universe. someone created the clock to
measure our travel around the sun and that time is true. psychological time is different, it has no reality except within our minds. you only exist in this moment, you can only experience this moment. the future and the past are mere concepts, not real.
jafomab 2 years ago 4
Very well explained, I think you got the essence of Jiddu's ideas but are you practicing them, or it's mere intellectual?
Just curiousity:)
tenellifranco 2 years ago
it isn't intellectual. when you see these things, you are changed right down to the cells in your brain. as K put it, the change mutates the brain, as the physical matter of thought has now left the restriction of it's previous conditioned pattern. when i add these comments it is because i can see the answers, not as thoughts, but as a whole understanding of that point being discussed. K was sure that anyone could do what he did vis a vis seeing the whole.
in that regard i prove he was right
jafomab 2 years ago
Is it just me, but Krishnamurti, talks and
talks, and says absolutely nothing?
He has an interesting history. I've listened
to a few tapes and read a few books by
him.
Still, I find listening to him 'laborious'
with little insight that I haven't heard
before, by the average 'person'.
And to ask, again, what is nirvana
for Krishnamurti?
fntime 2 years ago
its ok it happens...try reading ramana maharshi....i think JD talks about the same thing without giving it a religious twist...he is telling you to self inquire - who are you ? :) listen, what it means to end....is there an end ?
paromita87 2 years ago
Yes it's you!
artmanack 2 years ago
Subtitularlo en español porfavor Gracias
OroSk8 2 years ago
so my freinds: what is nirvana?
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sageunr 2 years ago
Krishnamurti likes kurt cobain?
Nowheremandc 2 years ago
dream on dreamers
mineraalwater01 2 years ago
Well we are both here looking, guess you must be a dreamer as well? Take care x
starlighteds1 2 years ago
This means god is also inside your hairy ass, ALL THE TIME. Think about it. Isn't it a profoundly spiritual experience?
mrkvamaster 2 years ago
nirvana, cosmic consciousness can only come to you unknown and unexpected. you can't go to it by any means or training no matter how hard or long you try. yet you have to demand this, or it may not find you. to demand it is begin your inquiry. is it real? IS IT A HOAX?
jafomab 2 years ago
he described it in P. Jayakar's biography. it won't solve your problems or sorrows, (the teaching is for that) yet it is the ultimate blessing, and it is a breaking of the bonds of time and space in a way undescribable. as a human being, this is your LEGACY, if you don't scream for this thing then why are you here?
jafomab 2 years ago
I think the first question should be what is Nirvana. Is it just a manufactured and imotive word, a noise which has been created by thought? or is it an actual state of mind? I would like to meet the person who has touched Nirvana and I havn't met anyone who has yet. Maybe K did, who knows? I do though think there's a lot of airy tosh spoken about it. How does one give voice to something that is unknown? I don't think demands can be made in these matters. What is the nature of one who demands?
artmanack 2 years ago
Nirvana is a state. I've been there. It is very simple. Seeking it causes the opposite.
MaBu888 2 years ago
"I have experienced Nirvana" Since I don't know you and the experience was essentially yours it's difficult to pass comments other than to suggest I doubt that you have. My view is that the word Nirvana is one thrown around like confetti at a wedding, much as the word Love is. I have no interest in Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religion for that matter. I much prefer to be free of those beliefs and move ahead in life without those crutches.
artmanack 2 years ago 2