Communism- a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. How is the VP not Communist again? I dont see anything in that definition about money, so dont tell me its because there will be no money....
ZeithGAYs promotes all of Aldous Huxley's ideas in "Brave New World" and even SciFi movies like "Terminator" (with the idea of machines doing our work) while at the same time pretending that they are anti-NWO... don't be deceived people.. ZeitGAY is BULLSHIT and it is all for the NWO's agenda.
@mikerowphone We want a global RBE where everyone has all the things he needs for living well. And with our current technology it's not a dream anymore, it's totally possible, do you disagree on this?
We don't want totalitarianism, we don't want revolutions, we don't want bloodsheds or any other kind of violence or oppression.
Would you agree if I said people would not fight any more if they had the things they need?
Would you agree if I said people are prepared to cooperate to make that happen?
@mikerowphone I said you don't understand the ideology, I take that back, I only wanted to disagree with you on the "totalitarian VP" part.
I understand and I AGREE WITH YOU that there were other systems in past that promised all kinds of dream societies and utopias but never made them real. I also know about the wars, genocides, massacres and all other abominable acts that were performed in the name of such regimes.
And that's exactly why I don't want to see any of them ever again.
@mikerowphone Ok, we have the definition. Can you please point out any similarities to the VP?
Of course all revolutions are vital parts of our history and it's a good thing we know about them so that we may learn from them and not repeat the same mistakes again. That's exactly why the VP exists, we don't want another Reign of Terror, we want a RBE where everyone has good food, clean water, a place to live, free healthcare, free education and everything else we talked about.
@mikerowphone Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.
@mikerowphone If you understand the ideology that's ok, that's my goal when talking to others about the VP. Whether the VP is possible and a viable alternative to our current system is another story, and I like hearing constructive criticisms about it. Anyway, I'd like to see an experimental city/ prototype of the VP before any RBE is implemented. It would point out the shortcomings and we could improve it.
Money has a capacitance value, therefore it may be released justly or unjustly by those who keep it in reserve. The biggest reservation of this capacitance is the federal banks of the world. I see a problem, yet can only express interest at this point, in a well thought out solution...
@mikerowphone yes like ive said it has great intentions but its impossible.. it would be to deny thousands of years of human activity. In addition .. for it to work you would need 100% of the global population on board.. you cant get 100% of humans to agree on anything. They need to dedicate themselves to legitiment goals to improve things for US THE PEOPLE. Such as give freedom and power back to the people and not in the hands of money manipulators and bankers/ CORRUPT EVIL GLOABLISTS
@23mbtx23 Why do you think the VP would deny thousands of years of human activity?
You don't need 100%, you never need 100%, unfortunately the majority of the people are blind followers and will accept anything that promises a better future (I said "unfortunately" because not thinking for yourself is never a good thing). I think the critical mass is under 10%. Think about it: in a family with 2 parents and children you usually have to convince only one parent to convince the whole family.
the transition to resource based economy will never be achieved because 100% of the global population wil not overnight or over any period of time realize that what peter joseph says IS TURE and WOULD WORK... but humans wont overnight become colonial creatures like ants/bees. besides, people will never ever be equal. with/without money.. theres always better looks, more talented people, etc. What is needed is the NWO stopped and a true free market.. not crony capitalism
peter joseph and zeitgeist all makes sense and is all true... but it is unrealistic wishful thinking.. it is the exact same as saying humans would be better off if they had 4 arms... it may be true but its impossible. Zeitgeist NEVER EVER talks about how they will get to their resource based economy because the transition is impossible. There would never be 100% global population on board with this so that means as Joseph said 're-education" and what if that doesnt work? death?
@23mbtx23 transition will be forced or one can participate and begin to drive it towards a sustainable future... right now we're screwed...Alex is so far off on the economics of the world and the results IT produces...
@TheBerserker50 "Forced," eh? And what happens when the giant brain computer says something is "unsustainable"? Don't think for one second that depopulation (murder) will be excluded from this "Utopian" vision. A global tech-fascist state that monitors, tracks, and controls every aspect of life on the planet is enslavement to a chosen few overlords who will decide who lives and dies. A democratic Federation-like government would be far better than the Zeigeist dictatorship.
@mikerowphone About that 40 years thing, I was talking about the whole concept of the VP, not single ideas. You can arrange ideas in a good way or in a bad way; it's like making a puzzle: you can take the single pieces and put them together into a nice picture, or you can make a Picasso-like cubist mess.
btw I like Picasso, I just wanted to make a point :P
I understand that people wouldn't want to watch the cities they lived in and grew up in being destroyed and rebuilt into new ones because there's emotional attachment, pleasant memories, etc, to them, nevertheless I'd be prepared to make that sacrifice for a better world. There's always something to to be sacrificed for every choice we make, the question is: is it worth it?
@mikerowphone I can tell you about the sacrifices that we'd have to make for the VP: first of all the private property, you'd have to give up everything "big" you possess, like your car, your yacht, your houses and land, if you have any, and also your city;
@mikerowphone I don't really know much about marxism, so I'm not the right person to talk to about that. I could suggest that you ask someone who knows more about this topic or perhaps the documentary Zeitgeist Addendum would explain a lot of things. The marxist and communist promised goals you mentioned are the advantages but I wonder what are the disadvantages, could you tell me a little about that too? We must always look at both sides and then decide if it's worth it.
@mikerowphone These ideas are new (40 years) and different from any political or economical system from the past, I don't think anyone has ever sold them. As far as I know marxism, communism, socialism, etc don't talk about getting rid of money, banks, politics, armies, etc and they only work within countries with borders and everything else, the VP wants to get rid of them too.
I will try to read that book if it's not too complicated to understand.
@mikerowphone I repeat: the cybernated system would control and manage resources, NOT PEOPLE! In a RBE (resource based economy, the economic system of the VP) people would not need to be controlled, like we are today, because things would be much different. Please watch this video:
@mikerowphone Dammit! I knew I shouldn't have used that expression, I hoped you'd read what's written on the website... Let's start over, there's NO cybernated government or any government of any kind, I won't use the word anymore. What the VP proposes is a cybernated system that would CONTROL RESOURCES, NOT PEOPLE!
@mikerowphone Please don't misunderstand me, the cybernated "government" I'm talking about is nothing like the governments we have today. I only used that word to make it simple to understand.
I'd really like to say more but the comments here are limited, please go to thevenusproject(dot)com, there you'll find everything explained.
Btw, anarchy never worked and never will, anarchy is caos.
I don't insult people like you who want to know and I usually don't talk to people who insult me.
@mikerowphone You have to first ask yourself what do governments do and why do we need them. When you understand that governments are filled with corrupt politicians who don't really know how to solve the roots of the problems, instead they just keep trying to heal the symptoms, you can ask yourself if there is something better that could replace them. Yes, there is: cybernated cities. With them we'd no longer need any government, instead we'd have a cybernated "government" in every city.
But what if human kind never even knew "Elite" or "Monetary" or "Envy", I think that really is the main point. If those things never existed in the first place we would have never know any thing of it. It seems he watched the video with an overly skeptic mind, and is just further solidifying the point that zeitgeist makes. I mean he almost sounds like the "Elite" that he reveals. Don't become rush sir. Join, not fight as it will only serve to hinder the progression of life.
Sorry Alex, I love you, but Peter's arguments are better. You are still very much inside of the matrix. There will be NO elite in a technological society that regulates itself because there would be no basis for it.
Alex, you're still thinking within the old monetary-system box!!! In the VP we don't need "sovereign independent countries that act as firewalls to corruption", because there will be NO corruption in the first place! Without money, elitism, countries, etc corruption CAN'T exist!
And there's no such thing as a world government in the VP, so stop repeating the same nonsense over and over again!
I can't pretend to know either is right, but I will have to agree with Alex.
Historically, it is known that Humans have the inner desire to compete. At least most humans. Trying to take away a part of human nature is not necessarily a good idea.
And even if Zeitgeist were to become a reality, there will be those who choose not to support it.
dude, no alex i agree, there are people who would go along with this, but man, humans, lol not all of us are going to want this, someone is always going to want what u have, man is not made to govern himself....this would never be successful unless there is a god in charge
@nickcapoify ur absolutely right, like when sherry jackson wrote in on his show and he refuted it by talking about prisoners getting gmo food wth. Hes on something else.
@Akibadono I see that you are closed minded by your hate. You are a waste of time, good luck in life. I hope that it is not too late for you to turn from your hateful ways. You are only hurting yourself, and others. Oh, by the way, read up on other writings. If you need to break your circular reasoning trap that you are.
@Akibadono Zeitgeist just decides to overlook all of the archeologist and historians that have studied the historical Jesus over the centuries. If you just want to stay hard headed to that fact, If you are of a wicked nature & do not care if these Zeitgeist take over your civil liberties and rob you of your money and make you and your neighbors slaves. What can I say but have a nice day.
@Akibadono I feel as if I’m dealing with people with very low maturity level. Did you not say that you saw the video of the refutation of this con artist? Be careful with this snake. He does not seem right. He seems to be like Hitler in Germany, or Fidel Castro in Cuba.
@Akibadono By the way you cannot kill God. You could try to kill Jesus but he resurrected when you Realize this you will be like the Apostle Paul too.
@Akibadono No, I just know the spirit of communism when I see it. If it walks like duck and it stinks like a duck it is a duck! If it looks like a skunk, stinks like a skunk it is a skunk. "I KNOW COMMUNISTS".
@EgosumfortisThe problem is that Zeitgeist is an old Idea repackaged in a fancy video. It will state a problem then give a twisted solution to the problem. It will state a utopian communistic solution to the perceived reality we live in, when communisum has never worked. It will use the old Jesus did not exist when History has proved that there is a Jesus.
@Akibadono No, I understand the Utopian view that totalitarians will feed vulnerable population and guilty middle class white America.May I call a communist a statist, Marxist, Socialist, totalitarian? The Idea they have is to lie to the masses, even if it means to say that you are not a Leninist. Say whatever you need to so that you could seize power then disenfranchise everyone except the core and even then, create fear among the them. Communist are sinister. Yes I know Communisim.
@Akibadono I love your twisted logic. First of al,l look up "Eminent Domain, Second, If you did the same thing you said of moving 1000 miles where no one was around, in communism you would be arrested for moving from your home town and settling in a place that the central government elite did not want you to move to. communism is the problem not the free market were you have freedom of movement, and there are laws in the book like Eminent domain to protect you.
Fresco would value your opinion zoc10000. So what would be your input in to repairing the society that we live in? It cant be based on greed or exploitation of other humans though
Please tell me when in history socialism have worked? And yes sir Zeitgeist is pure socialism. If they will succeed with this experiment i can assure that 90 % of the earth population will die in a year in the the total anarchy that would occur with criminals and gangs rape, plunder and kills for survival and just because they can!
@zoc10000 I agree with what you have to say leninist's will now reveal who they really are they will even go as far as to say that they are not communists just as long as they can gain control. Please see my post before this one.
Capitalism was a good system for the time of industrie but now is the time of technogie so itsgrow old the zeitgeist movemnt is the new system for this new era there is no bad thing about it its only the fakt that you lived to mlong in the system and you dont want to lose it because it workd and you cant relize that its not working anymore
The argument that machines will take all the human jobs is a VERY old argument (as old as machines themselves). It has not happened YET, and it WILL NOT HAPPEN!!!! machines create prosperity, and only temporarily displace workers who are then eventually rehired with the new prosperity created by the machines. Now, the NWO could very well decide that we do not need so many humans because of the machines, but the point is, machines will never naturally replace humans.
@Akibadono On more thing, you seem to not understand that it is also voluntary and you keep neglecting my argument for individual rights to people. Again, technology has been progressing because of capitalism. Under the servitude of government and no indiidual liberties, for thousands of years technologies advancements were slow. Then with America and the free market we once had, technology increased and living standards improved. Then we got our private central bank to ruin it all
Capitalism not theft, its voluntary trade, where a person offers their service, product or skill to be traded value for value. Only throuh the use of special interest can a corporation consolidate power, like the mega banks and central bnks. When government serves its purpose to protect individual rights and when you stop the use o special interest can a corporation no longer do this. Special interest makes corporations above the law why they commit fraud without consequence
@Akibadono Alright, you just hit my point without realizing it. How can a corporation do this? Through SPECIAL INTEREST through GOVERNMENT. If there was a seperation of state and government, then corporations cannot use this key of special interest to influence legislation and laws that give them privilages to infringe upon INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS which is what the state is made to protect. Only through special interest can they do this! That's not capitalism, it's corporatism mercantilism.
And even if we have mahines building everything, you will still need human labor in the innovation and maintenance for these machines. Back to your example, you have to pay people to work, and you cannot pay people through bartering, because maybe what your skill or product you have they do not want, or their are too many people that would overwhelm you so physically it is impossible. With money you trade value for value, and money, and it is accepted for any product or service as payment.
@Akibadono Abundance of resources? Do you ever consider the labor and resources needed to go into the production of these products? You have to mine for resources and have labor going into building any product. And to d this you need capital. Fact, nobody is going work for free. People want to be rewarded for their labor, if ot then that is called slavery. It is impracticle to think that people will go through all this work for free only to hand the fruits of their labor to everyone for free.
@Akibadono Actually, your theory is extremely flawed because, aside legalizing theft, private ownershp of land doesn't exclude animals, which over all we cannot control. Also, there are massive reservations and national parks and state parks whih protect large sums of land and the animals in it. A farmer owns 200 acres of land. On tht plot of land there are hundreds of animals living in it. It doesn't matter if you own lan, animals will still be here living somewhere on it, like fish in water.
@Akibadono Eliminating ownership to private property includes everything that you have, not only land. By eliminating this right of ours, you inherently legalize theft.
@Akibadono Here is the conflict with your theory of abolishing rights to ownership of private property, collectivizing everything. This means that, if you hypothetically have land and build a house on it, you give people the right to take and use your property which your labor went into building. You give people the right to take your house and use your belongings because it no longer belongs to you, everyone is "equal" and has a right to your things that now are not yours. See the conflict?
@Akibadono If you build a home and use the resources on land that doesn't belong to you but does belong to someone else, then that is tresspassing on their personal property. Now if you have just discovered this land and no one owns it, then you can claim ownership to that land and through your right in private property ownership, no one can take that away from you. If they try to, you have rights to protect yourself. Now if it was someone else's property, it would be wrong and considered theft.
What TVP Advocates is the END of government not any new government... Every time someone doesn't get the venus project concept I can't thin but that they come from a lower level of consciousness and can not grasp the concept fully because of fear... =(
zeitgeist addendum is very good movie, but its got to be stopped before the last part where they talk about venus project, etc... and there only what a.jones is complaining, and he is right... but the first parts are very good... modern money mechanics and international politics...
and actually he is wrong about people, the only reason people 'sell' and idea, or a product is because they have to, because they need money to survive, but they probably didnt start the idea or product construction with the goal of selling it, for example, the person who invented the bow and arrow, theu obviously didnt invent it for a profit, they did it to make thier lives easier, that idea was then available for anyone to create or modify, that is a FREE market
i like alex jones somewhat but actually he is lying here, there is no call for wolrd government in the venus project, you should go and find out about it for yourselves. but for those that cant be bothered the venus project will have no government whatsoever, no officials, no police, no persons of a higher status than anyone else, all distribution will be done by machines
Simply had the money to live as they wished. Alex Jones is a bullshit artist, lying, distorting, and censoring critical intel needed to make informed criticism, hes no better than Bill O'reilly or Keith Olberman.
I also like how he assumes control over vehicles will be taken from people who use them just because they dont HAVE TO drive it themselves, thats like saying "I dont have the freedom to keep my ice cream cold by blowing on it because I have a refrigerator!" What a fucking joke.
This guy is so full of shit I'm surprised his body doesnt attract flies.
He makes tons of baseless assumptions, factless assertions and outright lies while ignoring parts of the film that easily disprove his statements.
The "free" market has never been free, its twisted and manipulated by whoever controls the essentials: money, information, education, resources and media. I find it disturbing he conflates diversity with economics, even though many would have much different occupations if they-
Zeitgeist is just an attempt to blame Christianity since so many people are finding out about their wickedness..., A bit like the rubbish about Planet x and lizard people. The truth is there is a global conspiracy and living by correct morals is the best way to counter the False elitists. Live by Christian values...
@ryan84160 ... Do you know what question you are asking? your question does not seem to fit the statement. but anyway, Christ fulfilled the Law of Moses, and the Law of Moses points to Christ.
@CTR831 I don't agree with that at all, but whatever.You said we should all live by Christian values. The values of the old testament are very different from the values of the new. What one are we supposed to get our values from ? They contradict each other.
@ryan84160 ... ... Follow the Teachings of Christ He fulfilled the Law by giving His life as an atonement for us. The sacrifice He asks of us is that of a (1)Broken Heart and (2)a contrite Spirit. Meaning (1)Sorrow for the things we have willingly done wrong, and (2)Repentant; willing to follow Him who made it possible for Us to be with Him. Follow the Ten commandments it is still in force. He came not to destroy the Law but to fulfil it. If you still disagree that is up to you.
The Bankers are ANYTHING BUT "Socialists" - they have done everything in their power to promote deregulation, privatization, tax cuts, benefit system demolition, outsourcing and the repeal of labor protections and environmental standards: all of these things are the direct opposite of most forms of Socialism. It is the height of imbecility when Jones flatly ignores the avalanche of evidence to link these two opposing ideologies and forces together.
Alex Jones is the epitome of a loud, stupid, conditioned, fool. NWO? Good label (sarcasm), shove it, and tell us something reasonable please. Fucking idiot.
@mdneed You claim you used to like his show but you think he's a loud stupid fool and a fucking idiot lol. You just exposed yourself as a Zeitgeist troll because that is the exact mindless propaganda that they use.
I don't like Alex's personality much either but at least he has been exposing corruption from that past 15 years. This Joseph character only popped up about 4 years ago to psy-op the Truth Movement. He's doing a great job as a NWO puppet too.
its true someone will always want your wife, your home, your family, something that you have.. even in this system.. there are non resource items that cannot be standardized.. such as "looks" or "personality" or "popularity" so people will always be jealous and there will always be crime, and greed. And in a system like this there will always be people in charge.. and with our without scarcity... people will act in SELF INTEREST.. this is soo illogical to its core! NWO SCUM
What Alex Jone Doesn't seem to understand and what he keep twisting is that if you wanted to open a hot dog shop or anything else you still could but you just would sell it.. it would be a place where you share creative thoughts and ideas... it would let you keep making the best hot dogs you could .. or music or art or inventions without being suppressed. CREATIVITY IS FREEDOM AND THAT WHAT THE RESOURCE BASED SYSTEM WOULD FREE ME TO BE ABLE TO DO ALEX JONES IS A DIMWIT THAT DOESN'T GET IT
Unlike Alex Jone, Jacque Fresco Knows what the hell hes talking about when it come to construction and building .. did you all know that Jacque Fresco built and designed the first fixed wing air plane like the B22... and created the first housed to be build in 18minutes,,,, Alex Jones hasn't a clue on this subject.. he a pawn in the governments game.. hes working for them Alex Jones is a sellout he working to keep us slave .... Star Trek worked just fine without money
Alex Jones is twisting everything being said..and replacing it with his one ideas.. hes trying to make it some like he movement is apart of the Government and trying to take over... hes twisting things because at the end of the day his apart of the media and one of those seeking to keep there power in the media.. he's scared and doesn't understand anything.. he twisting it because he has much to lose when it come to his control over people and his power... Alex is corrupted like the government.
Alex Jones has so much to lose because in knows in a resourced based system... he would be out of a job.. talking about government corruption... what Alex Jones is talking about his idea won't change a god damn thing he wonts to keep us divided..We shouldn't listen to Alex.. hes a corporate monkey now.. I'm starting to see that... his greed and his ego is whats making his discredit the human movement that is trying to really honestly help the world not bring it down.. were slaves to money.
Yeah Alex is totally living in the box the Resourced based system is an easy concept to understand... he just can't picture the world that is being talked about... without money everything will be fare and we would share the things we have since Alex has never seen this kind of civilization he doesn't understand.. people are conditions to keep this system going and i see that in him... Ask yourself what dose Jacque Fresco have to gain at 94 at the end of his life, what Alex lose because of this.
Again I think he's missed the point of a resource based economy. There is no money! There's no point in a system of control if theres no money because there's no wealth, just resources. All his critisisms are restricted to the constaints of a monetary system. He can't get his thought patterns past that system. He seems to equate it with communism and the flaws of that design, which is again a monetary system and thus again completely missing the point.
It's really sad to see how fearful people are of pure logic. Zeitgeist has never and will never be anything like what you people call the new world order. There is a practical solution being proposed here by a man who has done very dedicated work his entire life to make a better life for you and I. I find it incredibly disrespectful people would have the audacity to associated his work with the nwo. You people have lost your minds. Come back to grips with reality and grasp logic when presented.
'call for a world government to implement the end of war and all this peace'....NOOOO the whole idea of a 'GOVERNMENT' is still having one group of people being in charge. The Venus Project is about eliminating divisions between people, and having NO GOVERNMENT, power to the people!! (just gotta say, I am so encouraged that there are people on here that are thinking critically and willing to listen to a different point of view and think about it...we need more of this :)
You can tell Jones is an idiot in the first 5 seconds of this clip...."like dogs or parrots"....wtf??? Jones does a really good job of acting like he knows what he is talking about but when you boil him down to his most basic parts he is a bible zealot..religious zealot...mumbo jumbo...evil exists zealot. He is on the border of madness.
The zeitgeist movement seems to me to be another organization that wants a utopia society. I've seen so many of these systems that people have dreamed up but there is no way it can work with all the corruption and greed in the hearts of everyone. We all have the desire to have things. In a true utopia no one can have more than another. If someone creates a work of art someone will desire to have it and if you don't give it to them they will steal it or worse. Our sins wont allow for utopia.
I agree with alex jones, guys you have to see WEAPONITAZION ON SPACE, and you will kwon that war is always gonna be in human kind, thats way a dont belive in this crap of movies ZEITGEST, FUCK THIS MOVIES only propaganda
Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader.
Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader.
Hmmmm....Maybe Alex is such a hater because once people start to focus on a solution they realize there is no need to keep beating the same drum about secret groups and a police state as the solution will eradicate all of that.....Alex seems that he whats to be number 1 and feels Peter Joseph and Jacque are stealing his spotlight.....Alex misses the point and is to cynical....SO WHAT IS ALEX'S SOLUTION??? It's all well n good to point he n there shouting whats wrong but whats the solution????
alex jones seems to get to emotional and believes too much in ownership and he doesn't understand our economic system needs a complete overhaul not just taking power away from the elite because if you keep the main structure of this system then overtime a new elite will come back into play because your still dealing with money
well this is just opinions of what life would be like (my solution is to go back to your roots and destabilize the system by good old anarchy ) from choas will come order
I disagree with Alex jones about people not wanting to invent new things unless they can profit from it. The wright brothers didn't try to invent flight because they were motivated by profit.. There has been plenty of inventions that were invented without the motivation of profit..Society has been molded by the Monetary system to create for profit.
For those who've joined or wish to join the movement, ZM is currently running a side project--we wish to gather about 25k members to participate in D-Wave's AQUA research project, through BOINC and for science!
BOINC is a volunteer grid computing system that uses your computer to solve problems. Simply put, you can help researchers with your idle CPU
for those who wish to learn more, Google "The Zeitgeist Movement title=BOINC"
I'm an Artist, how can i sell my Art if Money doest Exist.... It's a ridiculous notion. People need to ability to buy/sell what they want, we need a currency to do that
Alex Jones is so confused by the concepts of the Venus Project, he is stuttering and foaming at the mouth. You can see it in the video the concepts are just to rad for his simple mind to take.
@valhala56 Maybe he's confused because the plan is so at odds with reality? The elite own virtually all the resources on the planet and so far they haven't been too generous in giving them away. So how do VP aim to get the resources for their 'resource based economy'? I keep asking this question and none of them have an answer. Are the world's most powerful, greedy, selfish and controlling people going to become hippies and give them away for free? Seems unlikely to me.
Alex Jones is too caught up in the old Pardigram. Zeigeist/Resource BasedEconomy just doesn't make sense to poor knuckleheads like AJ. Oh AJ why don't you just shutup for a change and listen to what they are saying.
You scream a lot! but you don't really say that much!
Of course that the humans were programmed to gather and and hunt for food, but that was becouse we had to, not becouse we enjoyed it, by having machines that do the boring work for us we wouldnt just slack off, what would happen would be that we could actually expirience living to our full potential in the majoriity of our time and not just as a hobby...
@gregorygriggs Please show me one single time when Zeitgeist said they were in favor of population reduction. All they've said is that right now we aren't taking care of the population we have, and that in a resource based economy, the amount of people would be negligible because we could take care of everyone. And when they hell did they ever say they like eugenics? They clearly stated that they believe genetics are less important than environmental stimuli.
@KidHowren In addendum, Peter Joseph uses the term "genetic fitness" - which is a eugenics term. Eugenics is in favour of selective breeding, ie scientifically selected breeders. Eugenics is real my friend, if you don't believe me then research it. There are forced sterilizations going on in the world today. The phrase "resource based economy" is not going to save the world. We already live in a RBE, except we used money as a means of exchange - we are still imited by our resources
@gregorygriggs And to clarify a little more, our monetary system is driven by scarcity. When a resource is less abundant, a company can sell it at a higher price. Thus artificial scarcity is imposed for the sake of profit. How in the world is it a resourced based economy where a child dies every 15 seconds from not having clean water? Open your eyes and realize that all human problems are common and all divisions are in YOUR HEAD. There are no dualities but life and death.
@gregorygriggs Just because someone uses "x" term which can be associated to "x" topic does not necessitate that term's exclusive context to that topic. If you paid any attention you would hear no mention of eugenics and certainly no advocation of it in any of those films. Please show me examples and don't use any more term association fallacies.
Also, we do NOT live in a RBE. Supply (resources) has an inverse relationship to demand (the need for those resources). It is the OPPOSITE of a RBE.
@gregorygriggs Furthermore, if you don't like "technetronics" - aka the advancement of the social system through the use of technology - then go back to the Middle ages because every thing we have today from our social networks to our advanced medicines are thanks to technological development. Hell, from the moment the wheel was created or fire was discovered man was forever and inseparably bound to technology. TVP wants to utilize it's unrealized potential for the well-being of all people.
@gregorygriggs at what point do they talk about population reduction? when do they talk about eugenics? The system we have now where cattle slaughter plants are so cheap, they feed cows bits of other cows, is the one poisoning us physically. The one crucial fact is that the NWO demands a WORLD GOVERNMENT. ZGM eliminates government entirely by removing the need for such.
@warobsessive Peter Joseph uses the term "genetic fitness" which I know to be a eugenics term because I have researched eugenics. I humbly suggest you also research this relevant topic which is definitely part of our society today, Zeitgeist "eliminates government entirely by" having a computer run the world instead? Are you sure this is a good idea? What if the computer says there are too many people and we need a cull? Computers have zero humanity. Even Stalin and Hitler loved someone.
@gregorygriggs Computers don't run the world, they manage the world's RESOURCES. Their capabilities are limited to what's on the CPU. If you don't program a robot to choose how many people ought to be on earth, it won't kill any. The system we have now is lowering the Carrying Cap. of Earth by destroying the arable land.. If less harmful production methods were used that produce less waste, goods and food production would skyrocket It's not like Skynet that launches all the nukes on earth
@gregorygriggs If we hit the CC, we'll go to the stars. Hopefully we'll build a colony somewhere in the solar system so we can continue to grow. We're not confined to Earth forever and the science for stellar colonization exists today. We may terraform planets. If not, raise the CC. With the proposed agricultural buildings in VP, a single 4 acre building can yield more food than 1K acres of open farmland without the use of pesticides and modifiers. All the former farm land will be living space.
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Communism- a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. How is the VP not Communist again? I dont see anything in that definition about money, so dont tell me its because there will be no money....
jtube740 1 day ago
alex jones does not understand human behavior. watch dr. robert salposky videos
slashes1122 2 months ago
ZeithGAYs promotes all of Aldous Huxley's ideas in "Brave New World" and even SciFi movies like "Terminator" (with the idea of machines doing our work) while at the same time pretending that they are anti-NWO... don't be deceived people.. ZeitGAY is BULLSHIT and it is all for the NWO's agenda.
KeMoniito 3 months ago
@KeMoniito Calling names is a good technique if you want a fight but it's not good if you want to get your point across...
erasmusso 2 months ago
@KeMoniito except the venus project's RBE won't have any armies, and you wouldn't be forced to do anything you don't want to do.
slashes1122 2 months ago
@mikerowphone We want a global RBE where everyone has all the things he needs for living well. And with our current technology it's not a dream anymore, it's totally possible, do you disagree on this?
We don't want totalitarianism, we don't want revolutions, we don't want bloodsheds or any other kind of violence or oppression.
Would you agree if I said people would not fight any more if they had the things they need?
Would you agree if I said people are prepared to cooperate to make that happen?
erasmusso 3 months ago
@mikerowphone I said you don't understand the ideology, I take that back, I only wanted to disagree with you on the "totalitarian VP" part.
I understand and I AGREE WITH YOU that there were other systems in past that promised all kinds of dream societies and utopias but never made them real. I also know about the wars, genocides, massacres and all other abominable acts that were performed in the name of such regimes.
And that's exactly why I don't want to see any of them ever again.
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erasmusso 3 months ago
@mikerowphone Ok, we have the definition. Can you please point out any similarities to the VP?
Of course all revolutions are vital parts of our history and it's a good thing we know about them so that we may learn from them and not repeat the same mistakes again. That's exactly why the VP exists, we don't want another Reign of Terror, we want a RBE where everyone has good food, clean water, a place to live, free healthcare, free education and everything else we talked about.
erasmusso 3 months ago
@mikerowphone Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.
erasmusso 3 months ago
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erasmusso 3 months ago
@mikerowphone If you understand the ideology that's ok, that's my goal when talking to others about the VP. Whether the VP is possible and a viable alternative to our current system is another story, and I like hearing constructive criticisms about it. Anyway, I'd like to see an experimental city/ prototype of the VP before any RBE is implemented. It would point out the shortcomings and we could improve it.
erasmusso 3 months ago
Money has a capacitance value, therefore it may be released justly or unjustly by those who keep it in reserve. The biggest reservation of this capacitance is the federal banks of the world. I see a problem, yet can only express interest at this point, in a well thought out solution...
jcmacklin82 3 months ago
@mikerowphone yes like ive said it has great intentions but its impossible.. it would be to deny thousands of years of human activity. In addition .. for it to work you would need 100% of the global population on board.. you cant get 100% of humans to agree on anything. They need to dedicate themselves to legitiment goals to improve things for US THE PEOPLE. Such as give freedom and power back to the people and not in the hands of money manipulators and bankers/ CORRUPT EVIL GLOABLISTS
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@23mbtx23 Why do you think the VP would deny thousands of years of human activity?
You don't need 100%, you never need 100%, unfortunately the majority of the people are blind followers and will accept anything that promises a better future (I said "unfortunately" because not thinking for yourself is never a good thing). I think the critical mass is under 10%. Think about it: in a family with 2 parents and children you usually have to convince only one parent to convince the whole family.
erasmusso 3 months ago
@mikerowphone Now I get it! How could I not have thought about that before!
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erasmusso 4 months ago
@mikerowphone pastebin com/ Jfj881tG
erasmusso 4 months ago
the transition to resource based economy will never be achieved because 100% of the global population wil not overnight or over any period of time realize that what peter joseph says IS TURE and WOULD WORK... but humans wont overnight become colonial creatures like ants/bees. besides, people will never ever be equal. with/without money.. theres always better looks, more talented people, etc. What is needed is the NWO stopped and a true free market.. not crony capitalism
23mbtx23 4 months ago
peter joseph and zeitgeist all makes sense and is all true... but it is unrealistic wishful thinking.. it is the exact same as saying humans would be better off if they had 4 arms... it may be true but its impossible. Zeitgeist NEVER EVER talks about how they will get to their resource based economy because the transition is impossible. There would never be 100% global population on board with this so that means as Joseph said 're-education" and what if that doesnt work? death?
23mbtx23 4 months ago 2
@23mbtx23 Soylent green
faro0485 4 months ago
@faro0485 I want to try soylent green, looks jummy :D
erasmusso 4 months ago
@23mbtx23 The transition is already happening and you are the proof of it. The first step is awareness :)
erasmusso 4 months ago
@23mbtx23 transition will be forced or one can participate and begin to drive it towards a sustainable future... right now we're screwed...Alex is so far off on the economics of the world and the results IT produces...
TheBerserker50 2 months ago
@TheBerserker50 "Forced," eh? And what happens when the giant brain computer says something is "unsustainable"? Don't think for one second that depopulation (murder) will be excluded from this "Utopian" vision. A global tech-fascist state that monitors, tracks, and controls every aspect of life on the planet is enslavement to a chosen few overlords who will decide who lives and dies. A democratic Federation-like government would be far better than the Zeigeist dictatorship.
augustandjune 2 months ago
yeppp you are close minded typical american, get off your high horse and realize youre part of the problem
GiozRockin 4 months ago
you are off. Govt DOESNT do anything for the people. Do you not get it? its all for self benefit. You sound stupid
GiozRockin 4 months ago
Lost a lot of credit for Alex. He seriously is misunderstanding the movie and it seems like its on purpose.
SWeir91211 4 months ago
@mikerowphone pastebin com /quGAbdfW
Sorry, comments are too short.
erasmusso 4 months ago
@mikerowphone About that 40 years thing, I was talking about the whole concept of the VP, not single ideas. You can arrange ideas in a good way or in a bad way; it's like making a puzzle: you can take the single pieces and put them together into a nice picture, or you can make a Picasso-like cubist mess.
btw I like Picasso, I just wanted to make a point :P
erasmusso 4 months ago
I understand that people wouldn't want to watch the cities they lived in and grew up in being destroyed and rebuilt into new ones because there's emotional attachment, pleasant memories, etc, to them, nevertheless I'd be prepared to make that sacrifice for a better world. There's always something to to be sacrificed for every choice we make, the question is: is it worth it?
erasmusso 4 months ago
@mikerowphone I can tell you about the sacrifices that we'd have to make for the VP: first of all the private property, you'd have to give up everything "big" you possess, like your car, your yacht, your houses and land, if you have any, and also your city;
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erasmusso 4 months ago
@mikerowphone I don't really know much about marxism, so I'm not the right person to talk to about that. I could suggest that you ask someone who knows more about this topic or perhaps the documentary Zeitgeist Addendum would explain a lot of things. The marxist and communist promised goals you mentioned are the advantages but I wonder what are the disadvantages, could you tell me a little about that too? We must always look at both sides and then decide if it's worth it.
erasmusso 4 months ago
You're right Alex, humans are competitive by nature. Maybe this will change over time, but it's not a process that can be forced.
venomousbird 4 months ago
@mikerowphone These ideas are new (40 years) and different from any political or economical system from the past, I don't think anyone has ever sold them. As far as I know marxism, communism, socialism, etc don't talk about getting rid of money, banks, politics, armies, etc and they only work within countries with borders and everything else, the VP wants to get rid of them too.
I will try to read that book if it's not too complicated to understand.
Btw, don't support people, support ideas!
erasmusso 5 months ago
@mikerowphone Sorry it took me a while to reply, here it is:
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erasmusso 5 months ago
i wanna punch this asshole in the face!!!
TheNautic23 5 months ago
@mikerowphone Go to h-t-t-p-(:)//pastebin(.)com/5KWsstHK to see the rest of the response, the comments here are too short...
erasmusso 5 months ago
@mikerowphone I repeat: the cybernated system would control and manage resources, NOT PEOPLE! In a RBE (resource based economy, the economic system of the VP) people would not need to be controlled, like we are today, because things would be much different. Please watch this video:
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erasmusso 5 months ago
@mikerowphone Dammit! I knew I shouldn't have used that expression, I hoped you'd read what's written on the website... Let's start over, there's NO cybernated government or any government of any kind, I won't use the word anymore. What the VP proposes is a cybernated system that would CONTROL RESOURCES, NOT PEOPLE!
erasmusso 5 months ago
@mikerowphone Please don't misunderstand me, the cybernated "government" I'm talking about is nothing like the governments we have today. I only used that word to make it simple to understand.
I'd really like to say more but the comments here are limited, please go to thevenusproject(dot)com, there you'll find everything explained.
Btw, anarchy never worked and never will, anarchy is caos.
I don't insult people like you who want to know and I usually don't talk to people who insult me.
erasmusso 5 months ago
@mikerowphone You have to first ask yourself what do governments do and why do we need them. When you understand that governments are filled with corrupt politicians who don't really know how to solve the roots of the problems, instead they just keep trying to heal the symptoms, you can ask yourself if there is something better that could replace them. Yes, there is: cybernated cities. With them we'd no longer need any government, instead we'd have a cybernated "government" in every city.
erasmusso 5 months ago
@rasjahjah On 2nd thought that video of yours should be retitled "Pothead Juggalo Libtard Harasses Non-atheists".
pobody69 5 months ago
You said Wall E and that was exactly what I was thinking. "Be lazy we'll take care of it". Way to go!
Deadheadgypsy 5 months ago
Weak Minded People? You dont say...
TylerMcGinnisJr 5 months ago
But what if human kind never even knew "Elite" or "Monetary" or "Envy", I think that really is the main point. If those things never existed in the first place we would have never know any thing of it. It seems he watched the video with an overly skeptic mind, and is just further solidifying the point that zeitgeist makes. I mean he almost sounds like the "Elite" that he reveals. Don't become rush sir. Join, not fight as it will only serve to hinder the progression of life.
DawnofTheTruth 6 months ago
you don't need money to be competitive.
combatLaCarie 6 months ago
Sorry Alex, I love you, but Peter's arguments are better. You are still very much inside of the matrix. There will be NO elite in a technological society that regulates itself because there would be no basis for it.
WJValente 6 months ago
pls before taking this guy seriously do a some research on "human nature" see the work of robert sapolsky and dr gabor mator jus to name a few
27madone 6 months ago
Alex, you're still thinking within the old monetary-system box!!! In the VP we don't need "sovereign independent countries that act as firewalls to corruption", because there will be NO corruption in the first place! Without money, elitism, countries, etc corruption CAN'T exist!
And there's no such thing as a world government in the VP, so stop repeating the same nonsense over and over again!
erasmusso 6 months ago
@erasmusso
Somebody is right.
Somebody is wrong.
I can't pretend to know either is right, but I will have to agree with Alex.
Historically, it is known that Humans have the inner desire to compete. At least most humans. Trying to take away a part of human nature is not necessarily a good idea.
And even if Zeitgeist were to become a reality, there will be those who choose not to support it.
LtSurge659 6 months ago
dude, no alex i agree, there are people who would go along with this, but man, humans, lol not all of us are going to want this, someone is always going to want what u have, man is not made to govern himself....this would never be successful unless there is a god in charge
a13solute 6 months ago
You don't really get it do you? Check out the venus project .com and go to FAQ..
KaizerHalvorsen 6 months ago
I wish you could dislike idiocy twice.
iTuggernutz 6 months ago
The wall:E film was a good wake up call, great comment.
mrdanengland 6 months ago
Alex Jones gets on my damn nerves. 00 Agent...
TheArcher85 7 months ago
Alex Jones is smart. Peter Joseph is on another level. It is a shame Alex can't learn from Peter.
mrbigtruth34 7 months ago
@Akibadono God Bless you buddy Jesus loves you. Yes, I will pray for you don’t worry. I hope that it will go well with you.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Alex Jones You are off on many things you say...some of which I don't understand or just completely get sidetracked from the concept being refuted
nickcapoify 7 months ago
@nickcapoify ur absolutely right, like when sherry jackson wrote in on his show and he refuted it by talking about prisoners getting gmo food wth. Hes on something else.
bisnisldy1 7 months ago
@Akibadono I see that you are closed minded by your hate. You are a waste of time, good luck in life. I hope that it is not too late for you to turn from your hateful ways. You are only hurting yourself, and others. Oh, by the way, read up on other writings. If you need to break your circular reasoning trap that you are.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono Zeitgeist just decides to overlook all of the archeologist and historians that have studied the historical Jesus over the centuries. If you just want to stay hard headed to that fact, If you are of a wicked nature & do not care if these Zeitgeist take over your civil liberties and rob you of your money and make you and your neighbors slaves. What can I say but have a nice day.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono So you are not American, what are you?
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono Fidel Castro, Hitler, were con artist to their people.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono I feel as if I’m dealing with people with very low maturity level. Did you not say that you saw the video of the refutation of this con artist? Be careful with this snake. He does not seem right. He seems to be like Hitler in Germany, or Fidel Castro in Cuba.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono By the way you cannot kill God. You could try to kill Jesus but he resurrected when you Realize this you will be like the Apostle Paul too.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono OK, NOW YOU ARE JUST BEING WEIRD.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono No, I just know the spirit of communism when I see it. If it walks like duck and it stinks like a duck it is a duck! If it looks like a skunk, stinks like a skunk it is a skunk. "I KNOW COMMUNISTS".
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@EgosumfortisThe problem is that Zeitgeist is an old Idea repackaged in a fancy video. It will state a problem then give a twisted solution to the problem. It will state a utopian communistic solution to the perceived reality we live in, when communisum has never worked. It will use the old Jesus did not exist when History has proved that there is a Jesus.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono No, I understand the Utopian view that totalitarians will feed vulnerable population and guilty middle class white America.May I call a communist a statist, Marxist, Socialist, totalitarian? The Idea they have is to lie to the masses, even if it means to say that you are not a Leninist. Say whatever you need to so that you could seize power then disenfranchise everyone except the core and even then, create fear among the them. Communist are sinister. Yes I know Communisim.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
@Akibadono I love your twisted logic. First of al,l look up "Eminent Domain, Second, If you did the same thing you said of moving 1000 miles where no one was around, in communism you would be arrested for moving from your home town and settling in a place that the central government elite did not want you to move to. communism is the problem not the free market were you have freedom of movement, and there are laws in the book like Eminent domain to protect you.
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OriginalJami 7 months ago
Fresco would value your opinion zoc10000. So what would be your input in to repairing the society that we live in? It cant be based on greed or exploitation of other humans though
topgunexcel 7 months ago
Please tell me when in history socialism have worked? And yes sir Zeitgeist is pure socialism. If they will succeed with this experiment i can assure that 90 % of the earth population will die in a year in the the total anarchy that would occur with criminals and gangs rape, plunder and kills for survival and just because they can!
zoc10000 7 months ago
@zoc10000 I agree with what you have to say leninist's will now reveal who they really are they will even go as far as to say that they are not communists just as long as they can gain control. Please see my post before this one.
RichGonzalezVerona 7 months ago
Capitalism was a good system for the time of industrie but now is the time of technogie so itsgrow old the zeitgeist movemnt is the new system for this new era there is no bad thing about it its only the fakt that you lived to mlong in the system and you dont want to lose it because it workd and you cant relize that its not working anymore
Ikazu1991 7 months ago
The argument that machines will take all the human jobs is a VERY old argument (as old as machines themselves). It has not happened YET, and it WILL NOT HAPPEN!!!! machines create prosperity, and only temporarily displace workers who are then eventually rehired with the new prosperity created by the machines. Now, the NWO could very well decide that we do not need so many humans because of the machines, but the point is, machines will never naturally replace humans.
Walden039 7 months ago
@Akibadono On more thing, you seem to not understand that it is also voluntary and you keep neglecting my argument for individual rights to people. Again, technology has been progressing because of capitalism. Under the servitude of government and no indiidual liberties, for thousands of years technologies advancements were slow. Then with America and the free market we once had, technology increased and living standards improved. Then we got our private central bank to ruin it all
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
Capitalism not theft, its voluntary trade, where a person offers their service, product or skill to be traded value for value. Only throuh the use of special interest can a corporation consolidate power, like the mega banks and central bnks. When government serves its purpose to protect individual rights and when you stop the use o special interest can a corporation no longer do this. Special interest makes corporations above the law why they commit fraud without consequence
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
@Akibadono Alright, you just hit my point without realizing it. How can a corporation do this? Through SPECIAL INTEREST through GOVERNMENT. If there was a seperation of state and government, then corporations cannot use this key of special interest to influence legislation and laws that give them privilages to infringe upon INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS which is what the state is made to protect. Only through special interest can they do this! That's not capitalism, it's corporatism mercantilism.
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
And even if we have mahines building everything, you will still need human labor in the innovation and maintenance for these machines. Back to your example, you have to pay people to work, and you cannot pay people through bartering, because maybe what your skill or product you have they do not want, or their are too many people that would overwhelm you so physically it is impossible. With money you trade value for value, and money, and it is accepted for any product or service as payment.
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
@Akibadono Abundance of resources? Do you ever consider the labor and resources needed to go into the production of these products? You have to mine for resources and have labor going into building any product. And to d this you need capital. Fact, nobody is going work for free. People want to be rewarded for their labor, if ot then that is called slavery. It is impracticle to think that people will go through all this work for free only to hand the fruits of their labor to everyone for free.
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
@Akibadono Actually, your theory is extremely flawed because, aside legalizing theft, private ownershp of land doesn't exclude animals, which over all we cannot control. Also, there are massive reservations and national parks and state parks whih protect large sums of land and the animals in it. A farmer owns 200 acres of land. On tht plot of land there are hundreds of animals living in it. It doesn't matter if you own lan, animals will still be here living somewhere on it, like fish in water.
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
@Akibadono Eliminating ownership to private property includes everything that you have, not only land. By eliminating this right of ours, you inherently legalize theft.
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
@Akibadono Here is the conflict with your theory of abolishing rights to ownership of private property, collectivizing everything. This means that, if you hypothetically have land and build a house on it, you give people the right to take and use your property which your labor went into building. You give people the right to take your house and use your belongings because it no longer belongs to you, everyone is "equal" and has a right to your things that now are not yours. See the conflict?
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
@Akibadono If you build a home and use the resources on land that doesn't belong to you but does belong to someone else, then that is tresspassing on their personal property. Now if you have just discovered this land and no one owns it, then you can claim ownership to that land and through your right in private property ownership, no one can take that away from you. If they try to, you have rights to protect yourself. Now if it was someone else's property, it would be wrong and considered theft.
LordoftheKaty 8 months ago
What TVP Advocates is the END of government not any new government... Every time someone doesn't get the venus project concept I can't thin but that they come from a lower level of consciousness and can not grasp the concept fully because of fear... =(
ElThrash1 8 months ago
are u saying reducing population is bad? Cuz i consider it a given that we need less poeple to do more.
FillyNilly 8 months ago
zeitgeist addendum is very good movie, but its got to be stopped before the last part where they talk about venus project, etc... and there only what a.jones is complaining, and he is right... but the first parts are very good... modern money mechanics and international politics...
jpreia 8 months ago
and actually he is wrong about people, the only reason people 'sell' and idea, or a product is because they have to, because they need money to survive, but they probably didnt start the idea or product construction with the goal of selling it, for example, the person who invented the bow and arrow, theu obviously didnt invent it for a profit, they did it to make thier lives easier, that idea was then available for anyone to create or modify, that is a FREE market
soulburn2k5 8 months ago
i like alex jones somewhat but actually he is lying here, there is no call for wolrd government in the venus project, you should go and find out about it for yourselves. but for those that cant be bothered the venus project will have no government whatsoever, no officials, no police, no persons of a higher status than anyone else, all distribution will be done by machines
soulburn2k5 8 months ago
i hate alex jones with such passion
GregorLawrence 8 months ago
Wow u are a douchebag
canbuyu 8 months ago
Simply had the money to live as they wished. Alex Jones is a bullshit artist, lying, distorting, and censoring critical intel needed to make informed criticism, hes no better than Bill O'reilly or Keith Olberman.
I also like how he assumes control over vehicles will be taken from people who use them just because they dont HAVE TO drive it themselves, thats like saying "I dont have the freedom to keep my ice cream cold by blowing on it because I have a refrigerator!" What a fucking joke.
InContemplation 9 months ago
This guy is so full of shit I'm surprised his body doesnt attract flies.
He makes tons of baseless assumptions, factless assertions and outright lies while ignoring parts of the film that easily disprove his statements.
The "free" market has never been free, its twisted and manipulated by whoever controls the essentials: money, information, education, resources and media. I find it disturbing he conflates diversity with economics, even though many would have much different occupations if they-
InContemplation 9 months ago
Zeitgeist is just an attempt to blame Christianity since so many people are finding out about their wickedness..., A bit like the rubbish about Planet x and lizard people. The truth is there is a global conspiracy and living by correct morals is the best way to counter the False elitists. Live by Christian values...
CTR831 9 months ago
@CTR831 Would those be old or new testament values? they are very different.
ryan84160 8 months ago
@ryan84160 ... Do you know what question you are asking? your question does not seem to fit the statement. but anyway, Christ fulfilled the Law of Moses, and the Law of Moses points to Christ.
CTR831 8 months ago
@CTR831 I don't agree with that at all, but whatever.You said we should all live by Christian values. The values of the old testament are very different from the values of the new. What one are we supposed to get our values from ? They contradict each other.
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CTR831 8 months ago
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@ryan84160 ... ... Follow the Teachings of Christ He fulfilled the Law by giving His life as an atonement for us. The sacrifice He asks of us is that of a (1)Broken Heart and (2)a contrite Spirit. Meaning (1)Sorrow for the things we have willingly done wrong, and (2)Repentant; willing to follow Him who made it possible for Us to be with Him. Follow the Ten commandments it is still in force. He came not to destroy the Law but to fulfil it. If you still disagree that is up to you.
CTR831 8 months ago
While Jones irritates me in his manner, he is speaking the truth. Listen with your head not your ass!
AINT2COMMON 9 months ago
The Bankers are ANYTHING BUT "Socialists" - they have done everything in their power to promote deregulation, privatization, tax cuts, benefit system demolition, outsourcing and the repeal of labor protections and environmental standards: all of these things are the direct opposite of most forms of Socialism. It is the height of imbecility when Jones flatly ignores the avalanche of evidence to link these two opposing ideologies and forces together.
musicalidea 9 months ago
P.S, I used to like his show... then I WOKE UP... irony.
mdneed 10 months ago
Alex Jones is the epitome of a loud, stupid, conditioned, fool. NWO? Good label (sarcasm), shove it, and tell us something reasonable please. Fucking idiot.
mdneed 10 months ago
@mdneed You claim you used to like his show but you think he's a loud stupid fool and a fucking idiot lol. You just exposed yourself as a Zeitgeist troll because that is the exact mindless propaganda that they use.
I don't like Alex's personality much either but at least he has been exposing corruption from that past 15 years. This Joseph character only popped up about 4 years ago to psy-op the Truth Movement. He's doing a great job as a NWO puppet too.
timberwolves100 9 months ago
What a prick!
oeddi666 10 months ago
trains in the uk are privatised. One of the companies - first capital connect - are an american company. he is just so blindingly ignorant!
cadavercat666 10 months ago
its true someone will always want your wife, your home, your family, something that you have.. even in this system.. there are non resource items that cannot be standardized.. such as "looks" or "personality" or "popularity" so people will always be jealous and there will always be crime, and greed. And in a system like this there will always be people in charge.. and with our without scarcity... people will act in SELF INTEREST.. this is soo illogical to its core! NWO SCUM
23mbtx23 10 months ago
I don't feel that "it is obvious" at all.
Intel1250 10 months ago
What Alex Jone Doesn't seem to understand and what he keep twisting is that if you wanted to open a hot dog shop or anything else you still could but you just would sell it.. it would be a place where you share creative thoughts and ideas... it would let you keep making the best hot dogs you could .. or music or art or inventions without being suppressed. CREATIVITY IS FREEDOM AND THAT WHAT THE RESOURCE BASED SYSTEM WOULD FREE ME TO BE ABLE TO DO ALEX JONES IS A DIMWIT THAT DOESN'T GET IT
KamidakeRed 10 months ago
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SgtTravisBickle 10 months ago
Unlike Alex Jone, Jacque Fresco Knows what the hell hes talking about when it come to construction and building .. did you all know that Jacque Fresco built and designed the first fixed wing air plane like the B22... and created the first housed to be build in 18minutes,,,, Alex Jones hasn't a clue on this subject.. he a pawn in the governments game.. hes working for them Alex Jones is a sellout he working to keep us slave .... Star Trek worked just fine without money
KamidakeRed 10 months ago
Alex Jones is twisting everything being said..and replacing it with his one ideas.. hes trying to make it some like he movement is apart of the Government and trying to take over... hes twisting things because at the end of the day his apart of the media and one of those seeking to keep there power in the media.. he's scared and doesn't understand anything.. he twisting it because he has much to lose when it come to his control over people and his power... Alex is corrupted like the government.
KamidakeRed 10 months ago
Alex Jones has so much to lose because in knows in a resourced based system... he would be out of a job.. talking about government corruption... what Alex Jones is talking about his idea won't change a god damn thing he wonts to keep us divided..We shouldn't listen to Alex.. hes a corporate monkey now.. I'm starting to see that... his greed and his ego is whats making his discredit the human movement that is trying to really honestly help the world not bring it down.. were slaves to money.
KamidakeRed 10 months ago
Yeah Alex is totally living in the box the Resourced based system is an easy concept to understand... he just can't picture the world that is being talked about... without money everything will be fare and we would share the things we have since Alex has never seen this kind of civilization he doesn't understand.. people are conditions to keep this system going and i see that in him... Ask yourself what dose Jacque Fresco have to gain at 94 at the end of his life, what Alex lose because of this.
KamidakeRed 10 months ago
Again I think he's missed the point of a resource based economy. There is no money! There's no point in a system of control if theres no money because there's no wealth, just resources. All his critisisms are restricted to the constaints of a monetary system. He can't get his thought patterns past that system. He seems to equate it with communism and the flaws of that design, which is again a monetary system and thus again completely missing the point.
MrLittletomdj 10 months ago
Alex Jones you are a scared fool. Shut up with your dogmatic reteric and leave the real solutions to intelligent people..
Needs2Know 10 months ago
It's really sad to see how fearful people are of pure logic. Zeitgeist has never and will never be anything like what you people call the new world order. There is a practical solution being proposed here by a man who has done very dedicated work his entire life to make a better life for you and I. I find it incredibly disrespectful people would have the audacity to associated his work with the nwo. You people have lost your minds. Come back to grips with reality and grasp logic when presented.
33smojo 10 months ago
'call for a world government to implement the end of war and all this peace'....NOOOO the whole idea of a 'GOVERNMENT' is still having one group of people being in charge. The Venus Project is about eliminating divisions between people, and having NO GOVERNMENT, power to the people!! (just gotta say, I am so encouraged that there are people on here that are thinking critically and willing to listen to a different point of view and think about it...we need more of this :)
Yoruichi24 10 months ago
Utopia more like Ethiopia
detriotballer2 10 months ago
PHSYCO
MrAudacia 10 months ago
You can tell Jones is an idiot in the first 5 seconds of this clip...."like dogs or parrots"....wtf??? Jones does a really good job of acting like he knows what he is talking about but when you boil him down to his most basic parts he is a bible zealot..religious zealot...mumbo jumbo...evil exists zealot. He is on the border of madness.
Jeffersonwazright 11 months ago
The zeitgeist movement seems to me to be another organization that wants a utopia society. I've seen so many of these systems that people have dreamed up but there is no way it can work with all the corruption and greed in the hearts of everyone. We all have the desire to have things. In a true utopia no one can have more than another. If someone creates a work of art someone will desire to have it and if you don't give it to them they will steal it or worse. Our sins wont allow for utopia.
jartherp 11 months ago
He misrepresents many many many tenets of the Zeitgeist Movement. He should do a bit more research before he talks badly about it.
toastofchaos666 11 months ago
god fucking damn this guy did not know wtf he was talking about. these videos should be removed
wallraven55 11 months ago
Money cant "defend" you from a gang of people looking for food.
SiYanara 11 months ago
I agree with alex jones, guys you have to see WEAPONITAZION ON SPACE, and you will kwon that war is always gonna be in human kind, thats way a dont belive in this crap of movies ZEITGEST, FUCK THIS MOVIES only propaganda
CASGARRAFA 11 months ago
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Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
axis432 1 year ago
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Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
axis432 1 year ago
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Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
axis432 1 year ago
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Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader
axis432 1 year ago
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Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader.
axis432 1 year ago
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Your a paranoid android Alex. You've invested so much in your all encompassing conspiracy theories that it smacks of desperation on your part and an agenda to save your own face for drawing wrong conclusions from the data available. You make massive sweeping statements and fail to back them up every time. Frankly you seem to play into the hands of your 'NWO' by spreading misinformation constantly and thus enabling people to dismiss everything they see in this field. You're just a muck spreader.
axis432 1 year ago
hey alex, good job spreading the fear dude, thnks for bringing awareness, now is time to start working on the solution... what is your solution?
Qwertyraptor 1 year ago
@Qwertyraptor Did you watch this clip? I am not an Alex Jones fan by any means, but he does talk about his ideas in this clip.
Pgaither84 11 months ago
Hmmmm....Maybe Alex is such a hater because once people start to focus on a solution they realize there is no need to keep beating the same drum about secret groups and a police state as the solution will eradicate all of that.....Alex seems that he whats to be number 1 and feels Peter Joseph and Jacque are stealing his spotlight.....Alex misses the point and is to cynical....SO WHAT IS ALEX'S SOLUTION??? It's all well n good to point he n there shouting whats wrong but whats the solution????
stewbaby666 1 year ago
alex jones seems to get to emotional and believes too much in ownership and he doesn't understand our economic system needs a complete overhaul not just taking power away from the elite because if you keep the main structure of this system then overtime a new elite will come back into play because your still dealing with money
healeyc12 1 year ago
well this is just opinions of what life would be like (my solution is to go back to your roots and destabilize the system by good old anarchy ) from choas will come order
2b4uez 1 year ago
I disagree with Alex jones about people not wanting to invent new things unless they can profit from it. The wright brothers didn't try to invent flight because they were motivated by profit.. There has been plenty of inventions that were invented without the motivation of profit..Society has been molded by the Monetary system to create for profit.
radrye1 1 year ago
i was just wondering does this guy belive in god??
xxLexyLewxx 1 year ago
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For those who've joined or wish to join the movement, ZM is currently running a side project--we wish to gather about 25k members to participate in D-Wave's AQUA research project, through BOINC and for science!
BOINC is a volunteer grid computing system that uses your computer to solve problems. Simply put, you can help researchers with your idle CPU
for those who wish to learn more, Google "The Zeitgeist Movement title=BOINC"
Buybuffalo2 1 year ago
To sum up, Zeitgeist is forgetting about PUUURREEEE EVVVIILLL!!! Lol.
Bhatch2007 1 year ago
start an art war
alexanderkarl11la 1 year ago
the U.S. is still under the British crown, research it.
raiderrome 1 year ago
I'm an Artist, how can i sell my Art if Money doest Exist.... It's a ridiculous notion. People need to ability to buy/sell what they want, we need a currency to do that
afreecountry 1 year ago
Alex Jones is so confused by the concepts of the Venus Project, he is stuttering and foaming at the mouth. You can see it in the video the concepts are just to rad for his simple mind to take.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56 Maybe he's confused because the plan is so at odds with reality? The elite own virtually all the resources on the planet and so far they haven't been too generous in giving them away. So how do VP aim to get the resources for their 'resource based economy'? I keep asking this question and none of them have an answer. Are the world's most powerful, greedy, selfish and controlling people going to become hippies and give them away for free? Seems unlikely to me.
gregorygriggs 1 year ago
Alex Jones is too caught up in the old Pardigram. Zeigeist/Resource BasedEconomy just doesn't make sense to poor knuckleheads like AJ. Oh AJ why don't you just shutup for a change and listen to what they are saying.
valhala56 1 year ago
You scream a lot! but you don't really say that much!
Of course that the humans were programmed to gather and and hunt for food, but that was becouse we had to, not becouse we enjoyed it, by having machines that do the boring work for us we wouldnt just slack off, what would happen would be that we could actually expirience living to our full potential in the majoriity of our time and not just as a hobby...
researchkitchen 1 year ago
I don't usually like Alex Jones, but he makes alot of good points throughout this video.
IdeasAboveStation 1 year ago
I am amazed by the comments here. Whatever your opinion of Alex, it is obvious that the latest zeitgiest is coming from the NWO.
They're talking about population reduction, eugenics and technetronics... you guys are crazy if you think that's a good thing.
If you want to know more I advise you research:
Galton Institute
Malthus
Fabian Society
Communitarianism
gregorygriggs 1 year ago 5
@gregorygriggs Please show me one single time when Zeitgeist said they were in favor of population reduction. All they've said is that right now we aren't taking care of the population we have, and that in a resource based economy, the amount of people would be negligible because we could take care of everyone. And when they hell did they ever say they like eugenics? They clearly stated that they believe genetics are less important than environmental stimuli.
KidHowren 1 year ago
@KidHowren In addendum, Peter Joseph uses the term "genetic fitness" - which is a eugenics term. Eugenics is in favour of selective breeding, ie scientifically selected breeders. Eugenics is real my friend, if you don't believe me then research it. There are forced sterilizations going on in the world today. The phrase "resource based economy" is not going to save the world. We already live in a RBE, except we used money as a means of exchange - we are still imited by our resources
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KidHowren 11 months ago
@gregorygriggs And to clarify a little more, our monetary system is driven by scarcity. When a resource is less abundant, a company can sell it at a higher price. Thus artificial scarcity is imposed for the sake of profit. How in the world is it a resourced based economy where a child dies every 15 seconds from not having clean water? Open your eyes and realize that all human problems are common and all divisions are in YOUR HEAD. There are no dualities but life and death.
KidHowren 11 months ago
@gregorygriggs Just because someone uses "x" term which can be associated to "x" topic does not necessitate that term's exclusive context to that topic. If you paid any attention you would hear no mention of eugenics and certainly no advocation of it in any of those films. Please show me examples and don't use any more term association fallacies.
Also, we do NOT live in a RBE. Supply (resources) has an inverse relationship to demand (the need for those resources). It is the OPPOSITE of a RBE.
KidHowren 11 months ago
@gregorygriggs Furthermore, if you don't like "technetronics" - aka the advancement of the social system through the use of technology - then go back to the Middle ages because every thing we have today from our social networks to our advanced medicines are thanks to technological development. Hell, from the moment the wheel was created or fire was discovered man was forever and inseparably bound to technology. TVP wants to utilize it's unrealized potential for the well-being of all people.
KidHowren 1 year ago
@gregorygriggs at what point do they talk about population reduction? when do they talk about eugenics? The system we have now where cattle slaughter plants are so cheap, they feed cows bits of other cows, is the one poisoning us physically. The one crucial fact is that the NWO demands a WORLD GOVERNMENT. ZGM eliminates government entirely by removing the need for such.
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive Peter Joseph uses the term "genetic fitness" which I know to be a eugenics term because I have researched eugenics. I humbly suggest you also research this relevant topic which is definitely part of our society today, Zeitgeist "eliminates government entirely by" having a computer run the world instead? Are you sure this is a good idea? What if the computer says there are too many people and we need a cull? Computers have zero humanity. Even Stalin and Hitler loved someone.
gregorygriggs 1 year ago
@gregorygriggs Computers don't run the world, they manage the world's RESOURCES. Their capabilities are limited to what's on the CPU. If you don't program a robot to choose how many people ought to be on earth, it won't kill any. The system we have now is lowering the Carrying Cap. of Earth by destroying the arable land.. If less harmful production methods were used that produce less waste, goods and food production would skyrocket It's not like Skynet that launches all the nukes on earth
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive How can you determine if you've reached your 'carrying capacity' without the variable of current population?
If you need the variable of current people, then what happens when "current_population > carrying_capacity"?
Why are there no people in the pictures of these cities?
How do VP plan to get the physical resources that they lack now?
gregorygriggs 1 year ago
@gregorygriggs If we hit the CC, we'll go to the stars. Hopefully we'll build a colony somewhere in the solar system so we can continue to grow. We're not confined to Earth forever and the science for stellar colonization exists today. We may terraform planets. If not, raise the CC. With the proposed agricultural buildings in VP, a single 4 acre building can yield more food than 1K acres of open farmland without the use of pesticides and modifiers. All the former farm land will be living space.
warobsessive 1 year ago