I've ran two marathons and about 1100 miles in my Bikilas. Try using some Anti-Chafing cream/gel on any irritation points and your toes. As far as your pain on the top of your foot, keep running... The irritation goes away with the more miles you run in them.
I have found that the Bikilas do not dissipate moisture well (I'm a heavy sweater). Once they get wet, I start feeling my foot sliding/rubbing in the shoe. I purchased some cheap minimal toe socks from eBay to help with the moisture and the Achilles rubbage. I have also tried corn starch & baby powder which seems to help. Any other suggestions?
I have exactly 114 miles on my Bikilas. These are my first minimalist shoe and I am transitioning from what I've always been advised to buy (moderate support running shoe) to barefoot running. Given that, I find the Bikilas a good transitional shoe as the Sprints might be too much too soon for some. I have not found them to be lacking in flexibility. My one complaint though is the high heel cup. The top of the back of the shoe rubs on my Achilles tendon and causes sores/blisters/calluses.
Well maybe you should have stronger feet? For those of us that aren't huge wimps I don't see a problem here.... I can run 12 miles in my Bikilas and I'm jacked ass fuck!
There's nothing wrong with some padding in shoes. I know running barefoot forces you to use proper technique, which is good. However, our bodies aren't meant to run on surfaces as hard as concrete. Therefore use wear cushioned shoes and use proper technique. Easy as that.
@bluefooteddoobie There's no padding in Bikilas, just additional tread pads that interfere with the natural motion of the foot. Also I completely disagree about running on concrete. I (and plenty of others) regularly run on concrete and stone--completely barefoot--without issue. Stone is wonderful, it just feels incredible underfoot.
@joemaller I run regularly on concrete as well; there are plenty of barefoot runners out there that run on concrete and other hard surfaces. As long as you are using proper technique, you should not have any injuries. Simple as that. @joemaller I also agree you should try breaking them in more. The komodos are better for road running imo so if you've got the spare cash, I'd pick up a pair of those.
@bluefooteddoobie Disagree big time with the statement we aren't meant to run on concrete. Concrete is one of the easiest (if not the easiest) surfaces to run on. It's flat, regular, you can see obstacles and hazards easily ahead of time. Our bodies *require* a hard surface to push off of and get maximum energy return. Everyone will agree that running on the beach takes more energy than running on the road because of the "cushion" so why would you want to run around in cushy shoes?
i think your velcro strap is too tight when you where your bikilas. it can cause pain if they are too tight, causing restriction. also your classics look much older thus they will flex more because they have learned to bend where your foot does.
I just don't have that issue at all with my bikilas. Mind you they are brand new, but I can fully flex my toes while bearing weight, no problems here.
I have a bit of advice for your soreness on the top of your foot. 1) Tighten the strap with your ball of your foot on the ground, but heel way up off the ground, as if you were wearing a high heel on that foot. I found that that prevented the strap from pressing on the top of the foot at the max bend of the foot during your run. 2) Ice that foot in the mean time!
I don't understand the small demographic of wannabe podiatrists promoting these types of shoes. I won't advise switching to "minimalist" running if your current shoes seem to be working, even thought a Harvard professor suggest you should.
@ryangalles I think your mind is just turned off to the idea. There is empirical evidence and data showing the force exerted on your leg AND the force required for movement (minimalist vs. heel toe strike).
Man- The same muscles simply aren't working, and the feel is different. You don't have to be a podiatrist to know that. Maybe the advocates enjoy thinking and learning about their body. Perhaps it would be beneficial to be a little more optimistic and to really look into the idea. Or not.
@Rfish117 I'm not against minimalist footwear, if Bikilas work for you that's good. I'm against minimalist runners stating that traditional running shoes are inferior/behind the times. If someones padded shoes aren't posing any health problems or causing unusual soreness then continue use. If building muscle is a concern incorporate weight lifting into your routine. And If these shoes are so revolutionary elite runners in various disciplines would predominantly be using them.
@ryangalles Elite runners are typically sponsored by company brands, and display their brands as required. However, there have been many runners who you might just be unaware of, such as: Abebe Bikila, Zola Budd, Bruce Tulloh, Herb Elliot, Doris Brown- to name a few. In theory, I think a reasonable conclusion is universally accepted trends take time to break. Pronation or supination caused by shoes cannot be denied, neither back/hip/musculo-skeletal ankle problems later in life. I'm a KSO guy.
How is the traction in the bikila's? I am a sprinter looking to run fast in them for windsprints and am worried about if they have enough grip to fast sprinting and that my feet dont move inside the shoe.
I have a pair of Bikila LS that I've used for six months. I just went and tried them and there is no difference in toe flexibility whatsoever. It may be a flaw that they corrected with the LS version, mine have never given me problems. It may be caused by the velcro strap or because of a difference in fit. I'm not sure what the cause is, but the LS work perfectly for my foot.
I like how Vibram used Bikila's name but in reality he only ran barefoot cos he forgot his shoes on race day lol! Next olympic he won and ran in shoes.
Barefoot is great, shoes are better if you want to run fast. Vibram's Bikilas are a gimmick to sell to newbie runners that think they can spend 100$ and become super runners like people that have been training smart for a decade or more.
Bikila is a biomechanically proven design by Vibram. You have no clue what you're talking about. There is no break-in period for the shoes, just your feet. Do more research into the design of the technologies in this shoe before you bash it. You ALMOST sound smart. . . . almost. . .
I'm just wondering (and I didn't feel like scrolling through comments)...did you get them a size too small? if your flexibility is inhibited that much, it seems to me you got a small size for your foot.
Hey there, the reason why the bikilas are harder for you to flex your foot is because they are made more for the purpose of running..
the sprints have an "all around purpose" (running, climbing, water sports, yoga, etc) so they are made to be more flexible and so you have more natural control of your foot. the rubber on the bottom is also thinner to its easier to pull the rubber up when you curl your toes
the bikilas have a thicker rubber on the bottom for more cushioning for running
@BarefootArizona They reccomend that you start off on a smooth hard surface so you get used to running on flat ground because if you start out running on a softer surface it will have an inconsistant cushion to it making you start off working harder and working more muscles than intended
Vibram reccomends you start on a hard surface anyway to get used to the way you perform barefoot, then slowly ease into sand or grass
@misscrazypants99 A lot of people get discouraged because the ground is too hot on cement or there are too many pebbles. I started on grass, and it worked out fine. I think the biggest thing people need to realize is that it's going to hurt.
There are definitely muscles just under your big toe and second toe that you might not have truly worked out in your entire life. I almost gave up until I found out that it was totally naturally to be very sore there. I'm glad I didn't give up.
Also, the Bikila LS has better "flexibility" simply because its enclosure method is less invasive and allows your tendons be drawn upwards more freely. I've noticed this compared to my Bikilas (identical to yours), but I shifted my landing point about 3/4 of an inch back (more "midfoot") and it became less of an issue
Bikila model is designed to control your strike pattern. So that probably explains it's restrictions. The Shoe is designed to encourage (almost force) forefoot strike.
i have owned a pair of vibrams and some other minimalist shoes. i have to say, sockwa g2 is as close to barefoot as you can get, and blows my kso's out of the water
@joemaller . I can lift my toes in my bikilas just as high as you can in the sprints. So maybe you need to work and run with them more so your feet aren't so wimpy, so they become stronger…
They still beat the crap out of any ordinary running shoe for flexibility. Shure they're not as flexible as they should be, but they are flexible enough.
Sprints don't have anything holding the arch of your foot down like Bikilas do. Plus the sole on the Sprint is much more simple than the Bikilas, whose sole is much more complex. So It would be pretty much pointless saying something's wrong with them, it's just more of a bulky running shoe, and by my experience, they feel much better to run in than my Sprints, but that's just my opinion. Nice video, by the way.
The bikila has a stiffer forefoot because one of the aspects of this shoe is a emphasis on running on the forefoot. Going to the vi ram website was a quick answer. Nothing wrong with the shoe. Just sounds like it's not what your looking for. My KSO do the job amazingly well. Try them out
I don't think you would be curling your toes up while you run .... The BIKILA model is specific for running (10K, marathons, short distance) with a little more padding in strategic areas; it is still minimalist footwear.
I really don't see the purpose of your video other than yourself not understanding the bio-mechanics involved while running ......
Perhaps it's time to re-analyze your running pose and correct it before you injure yourself.
@01110011001010 Please go Google "windlass mechanism" and do some reading.
Raising the toes before landing tenses the plantar fascia and loads the entire foot to disperse impact upon ground contact. Raising the toes also keeps you from tripping over them.
One of the main idea behind minimalist footwear is to free the foot to move naturally. If a shoe is inhibiting range of motion, or worse shifting natural motion to unnatural places, the shoe is not working right.
@joemaller I've been running barefoot for 51 years and I can tell you that if you curl-up your toes more than 5 deg before landing then something is very wrong with your pose. You should rework your stride.
Look-up Harvard professor Daniel Lieberman . He offers a good example in bio-mechanics .....
@joemaller Fuck Vibram Five Fingers. Run barefoot and stick it to the companies that tell you you can't exercise your God-given ability to run unless you buy their products. Five Fingers are wolves in sheeps' clothing - same hype, cost, and bullshit as Nike or New Balance. Be a fucking man and run barefoot and stop quibbling about fucking dorsiflexion and plantarflexion - nobody gives a shit.
@joemaller That range of motion is great and all, but what about passive range of motion? As in, what is your mobility of the 1st metatarsal phalangeal joint WITHOUT using any digit dorsi flexors? Most people have enough tibialis anterior strength or override any big toe restriction but basing range of motion purely on flexor tension is more accurate. Unless you like tight shin muscles haha. But I think toe raise becomes less important the farther back on the lateral column you land. Just saying
I suffer from the exact same issue with the flexiblity. C has anyone tried cutting the fabric underneath the strap but before the seams? Because im very tempted to just like the sprints.
This video doesn't demonstrate anything to me. I drag my feet on the pavement in the Classics, Sprints, or KSOs due to their design being totally flat. Then Vibram comes up with the Bikila and it's improved design and people aren't happy anyway. I could then compare a sock with a pair of Sprints and say the Sprints aren't as flexible but what's the point? Nonsense comparison at it's best, I'm amazed.
@mrrrxxxxx If you're dragging your feet in near-barefoot shoes, it could be either your feet haven't strengthened up enough yet or bad muscle-memory from running shod. Have you tried running completely barefoot yet?
I do like the Bikilas, but after less than 200 miles I'm currently hobbled by what appear to be pulled muscles across the tops of both feet. After a lot of theorizing, I'm fairly convinced that the restricted toe-lift contributed. This never happened barefoot or in Sprints.
@mrrrxxxxx You have no idea what you are talking about dude. Dragging your feet on the ground due to the shoes being totally flat and thin? If you know anything about running mechanics, then you would know that the only thing that did not make sense on this entire page is your comment. Perhaps the pod placement on the Bikilas does impede ones range of motion. I think this individual has made a fair assessment. Perhaps the thicker soled VFFs toes work as little toe casts.
@mrrrxxxxx What? What was funny? What lesson? I was making a statement not giving a lesson. And judging by what you have said thus far, you don't know jack.
@mrrrxxxxx You are funny. Who said anything about educating? WTF dude its always about you isn't it. Watch your step you twinkle toes bikila loving lady boy :). Just kidding... But no really, chill out dude, you take yourself to seriously and you know nothing about running properly, it's ok.
I've ran two marathons and about 1100 miles in my Bikilas. Try using some Anti-Chafing cream/gel on any irritation points and your toes. As far as your pain on the top of your foot, keep running... The irritation goes away with the more miles you run in them.
mwber62 4 days ago
I have found that the Bikilas do not dissipate moisture well (I'm a heavy sweater). Once they get wet, I start feeling my foot sliding/rubbing in the shoe. I purchased some cheap minimal toe socks from eBay to help with the moisture and the Achilles rubbage. I have also tried corn starch & baby powder which seems to help. Any other suggestions?
MustyGashPlug 1 week ago
I have exactly 114 miles on my Bikilas. These are my first minimalist shoe and I am transitioning from what I've always been advised to buy (moderate support running shoe) to barefoot running. Given that, I find the Bikilas a good transitional shoe as the Sprints might be too much too soon for some. I have not found them to be lacking in flexibility. My one complaint though is the high heel cup. The top of the back of the shoe rubs on my Achilles tendon and causes sores/blisters/calluses.
MustyGashPlug 1 week ago
I know what's wrong with them, they are not shoes
afreitas11007 1 week ago
@afreitas11007 oh and to answer the question of the title.....everything
afreitas11007 1 week ago
Hey minimalists, BIG Kool-Aid party in the woods by my house tonight.
ryangalles 3 weeks ago
Well maybe you should have stronger feet? For those of us that aren't huge wimps I don't see a problem here.... I can run 12 miles in my Bikilas and I'm jacked ass fuck!
fleminsh 1 month ago
i would say that you need to break them in but i dont know if they are worn or not so
devilskids3 2 months ago
I JUST got my bikilas and I have no problem with them restricting my motion.
drummerhero4652 2 months ago
There's nothing wrong with some padding in shoes. I know running barefoot forces you to use proper technique, which is good. However, our bodies aren't meant to run on surfaces as hard as concrete. Therefore use wear cushioned shoes and use proper technique. Easy as that.
bluefooteddoobie 3 months ago
@bluefooteddoobie There's no padding in Bikilas, just additional tread pads that interfere with the natural motion of the foot. Also I completely disagree about running on concrete. I (and plenty of others) regularly run on concrete and stone--completely barefoot--without issue. Stone is wonderful, it just feels incredible underfoot.
joemaller 3 months ago 7
@joemaller I run regularly on concrete as well; there are plenty of barefoot runners out there that run on concrete and other hard surfaces. As long as you are using proper technique, you should not have any injuries. Simple as that. @joemaller I also agree you should try breaking them in more. The komodos are better for road running imo so if you've got the spare cash, I'd pick up a pair of those.
xkyk0x 2 months ago
@joemaller
Actually the Bikila has a 3mm polyurethane insole
01110011001010 2 months ago
@bluefooteddoobie Disagree big time with the statement we aren't meant to run on concrete. Concrete is one of the easiest (if not the easiest) surfaces to run on. It's flat, regular, you can see obstacles and hazards easily ahead of time. Our bodies *require* a hard surface to push off of and get maximum energy return. Everyone will agree that running on the beach takes more energy than running on the road because of the "cushion" so why would you want to run around in cushy shoes?
rjesparza 2 months ago 2
Thanks for the Video! I definitely like there earlier shoes more... the are thinner and more more natural.
fra3rd 3 months ago
Yea I feels ya brah. Bikilas are too much shoe.
Jouwl 3 months ago
i think your velcro strap is too tight when you where your bikilas. it can cause pain if they are too tight, causing restriction. also your classics look much older thus they will flex more because they have learned to bend where your foot does.
CarpeDeim12 3 months ago
they are supposed to resist! to build foot strength
robertROADKILL 3 months ago
I just don't have that issue at all with my bikilas. Mind you they are brand new, but I can fully flex my toes while bearing weight, no problems here.
portofly94 3 months ago
I have a bit of advice for your soreness on the top of your foot. 1) Tighten the strap with your ball of your foot on the ground, but heel way up off the ground, as if you were wearing a high heel on that foot. I found that that prevented the strap from pressing on the top of the foot at the max bend of the foot during your run. 2) Ice that foot in the mean time!
savannahzmomma 4 months ago
I have a pair of NB minimus trail and they rock. That's it.
TheT1million 4 months ago
I don't understand the small demographic of wannabe podiatrists promoting these types of shoes. I won't advise switching to "minimalist" running if your current shoes seem to be working, even thought a Harvard professor suggest you should.
ryangalles 4 months ago
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Rfish117 4 months ago
@ryangalles I think your mind is just turned off to the idea. There is empirical evidence and data showing the force exerted on your leg AND the force required for movement (minimalist vs. heel toe strike).
Man- The same muscles simply aren't working, and the feel is different. You don't have to be a podiatrist to know that. Maybe the advocates enjoy thinking and learning about their body. Perhaps it would be beneficial to be a little more optimistic and to really look into the idea. Or not.
Rfish117 4 months ago
@Rfish117 I'm not against minimalist footwear, if Bikilas work for you that's good. I'm against minimalist runners stating that traditional running shoes are inferior/behind the times. If someones padded shoes aren't posing any health problems or causing unusual soreness then continue use. If building muscle is a concern incorporate weight lifting into your routine. And If these shoes are so revolutionary elite runners in various disciplines would predominantly be using them.
ryangalles 4 months ago
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Rfish117 4 months ago
@ryangalles Elite runners are typically sponsored by company brands, and display their brands as required. However, there have been many runners who you might just be unaware of, such as: Abebe Bikila, Zola Budd, Bruce Tulloh, Herb Elliot, Doris Brown- to name a few. In theory, I think a reasonable conclusion is universally accepted trends take time to break. Pronation or supination caused by shoes cannot be denied, neither back/hip/musculo-skeletal ankle problems later in life. I'm a KSO guy.
Rfish117 4 months ago
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How is the traction in the bikila's? I am a sprinter looking to run fast in them for windsprints and am worried about if they have enough grip to fast sprinting and that my feet dont move inside the shoe.
MidairKing 4 months ago
I have a pair of Bikila LS that I've used for six months. I just went and tried them and there is no difference in toe flexibility whatsoever. It may be a flaw that they corrected with the LS version, mine have never given me problems. It may be caused by the velcro strap or because of a difference in fit. I'm not sure what the cause is, but the LS work perfectly for my foot.
YellowEyedNinja 4 months ago
I think you should possibly try the Bikila LS so the top of the foot isn't as tight / sore!
tEAm4za 4 months ago
Undo/loosen the strap?
fetymann 4 months ago
i can bend my toes in this model.. i used them for like 2 months already
janjans143 5 months ago
wtf! i cant bend my toes back like you
StuartJones3 5 months ago
I like how Vibram used Bikila's name but in reality he only ran barefoot cos he forgot his shoes on race day lol! Next olympic he won and ran in shoes.
Barefoot is great, shoes are better if you want to run fast. Vibram's Bikilas are a gimmick to sell to newbie runners that think they can spend 100$ and become super runners like people that have been training smart for a decade or more.
Great vid. Thanks.
durianriders 5 months ago
Bikila is a biomechanically proven design by Vibram. You have no clue what you're talking about. There is no break-in period for the shoes, just your feet. Do more research into the design of the technologies in this shoe before you bash it. You ALMOST sound smart. . . . almost. . .
FenderStrat777 5 months ago
How long have you been using them? I never really had a problem with lifting my toes but i did notice after a few runs in them the loosened up a lot.
danchalew 5 months ago
aww i was just about to buy some bikilias. sad day :( i guess ill go for the speeds or treksports
dl1151 5 months ago
I'm just wondering (and I didn't feel like scrolling through comments)...did you get them a size too small? if your flexibility is inhibited that much, it seems to me you got a small size for your foot.
raidenr416 6 months ago
Hey there, the reason why the bikilas are harder for you to flex your foot is because they are made more for the purpose of running..
the sprints have an "all around purpose" (running, climbing, water sports, yoga, etc) so they are made to be more flexible and so you have more natural control of your foot. the rubber on the bottom is also thinner to its easier to pull the rubber up when you curl your toes
the bikilas have a thicker rubber on the bottom for more cushioning for running
misscrazypants99 6 months ago
Okay fine, so you're not use to the shoes, or they're not fitting you properly. What's the alternative?
theroncon 6 months ago
@theroncon Go barefoot. Start on grass and then move to dirt or cement. You have muscles that will get sore so take it easy
BarefootArizona 6 months ago
@BarefootArizona They reccomend that you start off on a smooth hard surface so you get used to running on flat ground because if you start out running on a softer surface it will have an inconsistant cushion to it making you start off working harder and working more muscles than intended
Vibram reccomends you start on a hard surface anyway to get used to the way you perform barefoot, then slowly ease into sand or grass
misscrazypants99 6 months ago
@misscrazypants99 A lot of people get discouraged because the ground is too hot on cement or there are too many pebbles. I started on grass, and it worked out fine. I think the biggest thing people need to realize is that it's going to hurt.
There are definitely muscles just under your big toe and second toe that you might not have truly worked out in your entire life. I almost gave up until I found out that it was totally naturally to be very sore there. I'm glad I didn't give up.
Peace!
BarefootArizona 6 months ago
Also, the Bikila LS has better "flexibility" simply because its enclosure method is less invasive and allows your tendons be drawn upwards more freely. I've noticed this compared to my Bikilas (identical to yours), but I shifted my landing point about 3/4 of an inch back (more "midfoot") and it became less of an issue
TheQuietObserver01 6 months ago
Bikila model is designed to control your strike pattern. So that probably explains it's restrictions. The Shoe is designed to encourage (almost force) forefoot strike.
RMDOTE7 7 months ago
i have owned a pair of vibrams and some other minimalist shoes. i have to say, sockwa g2 is as close to barefoot as you can get, and blows my kso's out of the water
ronaldronald 7 months ago
@joemaller . I can lift my toes in my bikilas just as high as you can in the sprints. So maybe you need to work and run with them more so your feet aren't so wimpy, so they become stronger…
Doublet315 7 months ago
I had the same prob. I cut the top padding with scissors which left an opening like the sprints and their perfect now.
shag813 7 months ago
They still beat the crap out of any ordinary running shoe for flexibility. Shure they're not as flexible as they should be, but they are flexible enough.
CptFUNK1 7 months ago
Uhhhhh.... you are aware the bikila is thicker at the forefoot area? Possibly you mention this in the video somewhere.
shaokem 7 months ago
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I just got my pair and they feel great, the only thing is that my big toe touches the end of the shoe. and it feels weird, is this ok?
edpantous 8 months ago
Sprints don't have anything holding the arch of your foot down like Bikilas do. Plus the sole on the Sprint is much more simple than the Bikilas, whose sole is much more complex. So It would be pretty much pointless saying something's wrong with them, it's just more of a bulky running shoe, and by my experience, they feel much better to run in than my Sprints, but that's just my opinion. Nice video, by the way.
157wowman 8 months ago
and normal running shoes allow more toe lift..?
buttfuck669 8 months ago
The bikila has a stiffer forefoot because one of the aspects of this shoe is a emphasis on running on the forefoot. Going to the vi ram website was a quick answer. Nothing wrong with the shoe. Just sounds like it's not what your looking for. My KSO do the job amazingly well. Try them out
utfan781 9 months ago
this just in: my toes have more mobility in a pair of socks than when I'm wearing Timberland work boots! OMG WTF my mind is blown
SlabIronChest 11 months ago
so what's "wrong" with these shoes is that they're not right for you?
Of course they're going to impede toe movement, the sole is thicker.
SlabIronChest 11 months ago
I don't think you would be curling your toes up while you run .... The BIKILA model is specific for running (10K, marathons, short distance) with a little more padding in strategic areas; it is still minimalist footwear.
I really don't see the purpose of your video other than yourself not understanding the bio-mechanics involved while running ......
Perhaps it's time to re-analyze your running pose and correct it before you injure yourself.
01110011001010 11 months ago 19
@01110011001010 Please go Google "windlass mechanism" and do some reading.
Raising the toes before landing tenses the plantar fascia and loads the entire foot to disperse impact upon ground contact. Raising the toes also keeps you from tripping over them.
One of the main idea behind minimalist footwear is to free the foot to move naturally. If a shoe is inhibiting range of motion, or worse shifting natural motion to unnatural places, the shoe is not working right.
joemaller 11 months ago 18
@joemaller I've been running barefoot for 51 years and I can tell you that if you curl-up your toes more than 5 deg before landing then something is very wrong with your pose. You should rework your stride.
Look-up Harvard professor Daniel Lieberman . He offers a good example in bio-mechanics .....
01110011001010 11 months ago 4
@01110011001010 I'm not interested in a pissing match, but here are three videos from Lieberman, all show toes up before ground contact:
/watch?v=3j9JtpSbPNg
/watch?v=pgkWhcapWLU
/watch?v=wgaxkcvsmv8
joemaller 11 months ago 6
@01110011001010 Here's Barefoot Ken Bob in Lieberman's lab, toes are up (a little):
/watch?v=zIL07uYAW-Q
Barefoot Ted, toes also way up:
/watch?v=ZVFIQwha71k
Finally, Lieberman himself, toes way up:
/watch?v=7jrnj-7YKZE
The point is, a "barefoot" shoe should be flexible. For the first metatarsophalangeal, Bikilas are not.
joemaller 11 months ago 5
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SuperApparition 10 months ago
@joemaller Fuck Vibram Five Fingers. Run barefoot and stick it to the companies that tell you you can't exercise your God-given ability to run unless you buy their products. Five Fingers are wolves in sheeps' clothing - same hype, cost, and bullshit as Nike or New Balance. Be a fucking man and run barefoot and stop quibbling about fucking dorsiflexion and plantarflexion - nobody gives a shit.
SuperApparition 10 months ago
@joemaller That range of motion is great and all, but what about passive range of motion? As in, what is your mobility of the 1st metatarsal phalangeal joint WITHOUT using any digit dorsi flexors? Most people have enough tibialis anterior strength or override any big toe restriction but basing range of motion purely on flexor tension is more accurate. Unless you like tight shin muscles haha. But I think toe raise becomes less important the farther back on the lateral column you land. Just saying
TheQuietObserver01 6 months ago
break em in! it's the amount of rubber and how it is pressed. Just wear them in a little and you should be able to move your toes up.
MusicManDan13 11 months ago 3
@MusicManDan13 Those had about 125 miles on them when I made the video.
joemaller 11 months ago 6
@joemaller how long do you think these last,just for running every other day on concrete
ThatOneGuy1027 8 months ago
why do you need to move your toe while running?
militaydude24 11 months ago
I have the same pain across the top of my foot when wearing the bikilas.
runneraaron 11 months ago
I suffer from the exact same issue with the flexiblity. C has anyone tried cutting the fabric underneath the strap but before the seams? Because im very tempted to just like the sprints.
shag813 11 months ago
I have a pair of them and noticed the same thing with it. Vibram should have made them so they can flex right near the toe like you said
Swilliam127 1 year ago
Thats funny i have the same sprints and bikilas. Same color too
Lukapoo13 1 year ago
This video doesn't demonstrate anything to me. I drag my feet on the pavement in the Classics, Sprints, or KSOs due to their design being totally flat. Then Vibram comes up with the Bikila and it's improved design and people aren't happy anyway. I could then compare a sock with a pair of Sprints and say the Sprints aren't as flexible but what's the point? Nonsense comparison at it's best, I'm amazed.
mrrrxxxxx 1 year ago
@mrrrxxxxx If you're dragging your feet in near-barefoot shoes, it could be either your feet haven't strengthened up enough yet or bad muscle-memory from running shod. Have you tried running completely barefoot yet?
I do like the Bikilas, but after less than 200 miles I'm currently hobbled by what appear to be pulled muscles across the tops of both feet. After a lot of theorizing, I'm fairly convinced that the restricted toe-lift contributed. This never happened barefoot or in Sprints.
joemaller 1 year ago
@mrrrxxxxx You have no idea what you are talking about dude. Dragging your feet on the ground due to the shoes being totally flat and thin? If you know anything about running mechanics, then you would know that the only thing that did not make sense on this entire page is your comment. Perhaps the pod placement on the Bikilas does impede ones range of motion. I think this individual has made a fair assessment. Perhaps the thicker soled VFFs toes work as little toe casts.
justus005 1 year ago
@justus005 For the lesson lol but I tried both and know exactly what makes Bikilas a better running shoe.
mrrrxxxxx 1 year ago
@mrrrxxxxx What? What was funny? What lesson? I was making a statement not giving a lesson. And judging by what you have said thus far, you don't know jack.
justus005 1 year ago
@justus005 Indeed, that's one thing you're good at - judging. Now go educate someone else cause I don't give a rats arse what you think
mrrrxxxxx 1 year ago
@mrrrxxxxx You are funny. Who said anything about educating? WTF dude its always about you isn't it. Watch your step you twinkle toes bikila loving lady boy :). Just kidding... But no really, chill out dude, you take yourself to seriously and you know nothing about running properly, it's ok.
justus005 1 year ago
@justus005 And as for educating, I suggest you start off with yourself, otherwise the more you type the more stupid you appear.
mrrrxxxxx 1 year ago