Dear friends... I'm talking to both Polish and Ukrainians... Please, think more of present and future than the past... We're yet too close from the horrible events of the past for that past to be able to give us any benefit in today's need of sustaining peace, justice and cultural growth all over the world. We'll hopefully learn from the past, but give each other time to do that. At the end, we're all equal, i believe.
oki.I think once for all it must be said. Lwow its polish city. Anyone ready for merythorical conversation or just bitting and run away? Unfortunetly, you wont chope my head with axe, or rape my mother, so you need to discous like human beings (at least you can walk around Lwow, maybe high culture like a holy spirt attended someone). The only possibility for Lwow not to rotten totaly, its to creat autonomy in Galicja, which could push some of ur "czuprynki" to EU. Other hand, Russia will eat you
To Ukrainian Friends! Nowadays we will not change the true history, good or bad, but that is our identity. There was a lot of bad blood between our nations during centuries, what happened we cannot change. But we can build together or not, a better future, remember that. Please, treat Lvov well, the best as You can, we were responsible for that "jewel"for centuries, now it's yours. But I will always have tears in my eyes visiting Lvov and graves of my family at the Łyczaków cemetery. Good luck!
@ptasiek420cdi Have you forgotten, my Polish friend, that Lviv (not Lwow) was founded by Ukrainian prince Daniel of Galicia and named in honour of his son Lev? It was a part of Ukrainian land, Galicia–Volhynia, which was later conquered by Poland Have you forgotten that 95.03% of Gdansk population were Germans (see, e.g. census of 1923)?
@samsam1706 Lviv wasn't conquered by Poland.Volyhnia Duke joined Kingdom of Poland willingly 'cause he wanted its dukedom to be part of Poland.It wasn't by force!!! Also before it bacame Polish it was gorod not city(it was shithole) This place was funded by Duke but City was built by Poles.Whay don't u learn u uneducated moron????
@MrThorn88 You write anonymously. However that does not give you the right to abuse people. By calling me "idiot" and "uneducated moron" you demonstrate your bad education and very low intelligence level. This "uneducated moron" (as you said) obtained PhD degree in theoretical physics from the top European university (ENS in Paris, France) and has been working since in world-leading research institutions. And who the fuck are you to call me like that?
@samsam1706 I proved all what u said wrong.I just call ppl by their words here,if they say stupid things I call them stupid.I don't care what degree u have.Ur degree doesn't change the fact u r stupid.Humanity is dying faster since idiots started to obtain degrees.Who am I? I'm just smat one showing you that u r wrong.
@samsam1706 You should better study more of history my friend if You want to discuss which nation was earlier in which city, and for how many centuries. No offence, but You should try, it's always profitable :)
@ptasiek420cdi I am physicist and do not pretend to be historian. But I know that Lviv was founded by King Daniel of Galicia in the Ruthenian principality of Halych-Volhynia and named in honour of his son Lev. During the wars over the succession of Galicia-Volhynia Principality in 1339 King Casimir III of Poland undertook an expedition and conquered Lviv in 1340, burning down the old princely castle. Did you learn other history?
@ptasiek420cdi Have you forgotten that native Ukrainian city Przemyśl (Peremyshl) became Polish after the WWII? Do you know, my friend, that 2/3 of eastern Prussia were granted to Poland after WWII although these lands were never Polish?
@samsam1706 Przemyśl was always Polish city!!!!!!! Go to books boy and learn!!!!!.Ukrainians stated big minoruty there but major was Polish!!!!Eastern Prussia belonged to Poland for 600 years.Westen Prussia wasn't.Learn before u say bullshit!!!!And why Western Prussia was granted to Poland??? It was given as compensation for Polsih loses at war.It was what Germany had to pay for destroing our cities,lands and killing 1/3 of our population.Leaaaarnn u idiot!!!!!!!!!!!
@samsam1706 so maybe its high time, you should educate us, about "eternal ukrainian city" called Krakow, and its forgotten history, which in its poetry resambles greek mythology and atlantis at once.....wait, you call that history.
@rakuuu85 I did not say anything about Krakow. But Lviv was founded by Prince Danylo who definitely was not Polish. It was a part of Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia before it joined Poland. Do you think I am poor? Yes, maybe. But my monthly salary exceeds thrice an average salary in Poland.
@samsam1706 history and physics its the same scince. So what that Lwow was founded by Danil, if for next 700 years it was ours? Do you think at that time it was vacuum? Rome was founded by Greeks, and NY by Indians. Times go by, and Lwow since that time became second after Warsaw city for us, which defended from Chmielnicki, tsar, Tatars,Turks and in 1919 guess from who? I am not saying that you are poor, but todays inhabitants of Lwow are poorer to those pre-1939, which is a shame.
@rakuuu85 Yes, Lviv was part of Poland then Austria-Hungary. Yes, the modern city bears significant traces of Polish, Austrian and Jewish culture In a similar way St Petersburg looks like Western European city since it was built mainly by Italian and French architects. However most of Lviv inhabitants nowadays consider themselves as Ukrainians They hate our corrupt government but nevertheless remain patriots of Ukraine So the city will never be Polish. But you are always welcome here!
@samsam1706 you want to be part of UE and NATO? Its only via Warsaw. Todays ukrainians, but 100 years ago, there was no such a term like Ukrainians. Its high time to face reality, either you split from Kiev and we remake Rzeczypospolita, or you stay where you stay, and with ur demography, emigration and AIDS, in the next 30-40 years Lwow will be a ghost town. Not to mention that civil war may errupt. Ukraine has no hope, besides it cant be a normal state, out of the land robed from others
"Polish occupation" sounds funny... we (Polish) did NOT occupy Ukraine, but Ukraina made a part of the first in community (Common Wealth) in Europe: Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian unity which was so called "Res Publica", it is a pitty of "Polish nobels" that Ukraina was not made "official" or the Res Publica (only the nations of Poland and Lithuania were)
and tell mi the reason in your opinion what for Armia Krajowa attacked the ukrainians? We have other enemies like germans and russians. Think about this - it ukrainians common nazis murdered jews and polish - this is the fact. Ok u are fighting with rusians - thats good but why U murdered innocent people - I dont know really maybe becouse bandrea was a sadistic and paranoic man?
You are ukrainian freak, take the historian book not written in Ukraine - read in english and u will see.Dont read only the nacional ukrainistic propaganda from Canada. Ukraine is a strange country - U had a orange revoltion, U had Juszczenko, Tymoszenko but u choosen Janukowycz..U will be always under Russia domination becouse there is no nation in your bloody country. In Poland we never forget yours crimes during second world war..
Relax you all. Lviv is European city like it always was. now its Ukraine. not polish not austrian and save Lord not russia. ITS UKRAINIAN city!!!! with austrian and polish ,italian architecture.
@noortik Most of architecture in this city is Polish.It was the most beautiful Polish city.Now it's stolen.Poles will always remember this city and considering as polish town.
@MrThorn88 Most of architecture in Danzig (Gdansk) is German. It was one of the most beautiful city in Prussia. Now it is stolen by Poland. Germans will always remember Danzig and considering as German town.
@samsam1706 A short lesson for you poor boy.Gdańsk is hanzeatic architecture not german.It was the most beautiful city in Prusy Królewskie(Prussia)-part of Kingom of Poland for over 600 years!!.Gdańsk was Polish Royal city for more 400 years. And the last fact but also very imporatnt:At the end of 2 ww city was completely destroyed,80% of the city was demolished to the ground by germans and soviets.All what u can see in Gdańsk today is built by Poles from zero.Think!!!Lviv always Polish!!!
Please, both Ukrainians and Poles, be more tolerant and cool. Much of the enmity between us is NKVD's job, and there's a lot of false "history" produced by them. They were killing people saying that Ukrainians did that. We have to be very careful today, because what we have is almost an informational war produced by Russia to make Ukraine and Poland weaker.
@YurBvids You are right - first smart man! This is exatclty what I wanted to write. Our common enemy is Russia. We both, Ukraina and Poland have a difficult history...but we are neighbours and we must bulid our godd relationship. Greetings from Poland. P.s Lwow, Lviv is a beatifull city - carry about it:)
Lviv is unique Ukrainian city, which has experienced numerous occupations set be Polish, Russians, Austro-Hungarians in different times...But the city of Lviv managed to remain its charm and ukrainian spirit that was being constantly spread all over entire territory of Ukraine regardless country's division...Ukrainians appreciate polish contribution towards city's infrustructure, but all the speculations regarding someone's infringement on Lviv's genuine ukrainian origin don't make any sence.
What "ukrainian spirit" are you talking about?You were just 8% in Lwów before war.And your argument about occupations is invalid.Even when Lwów was part of Austria it remained polish city because the inhabitants were poles.
Aslo what do you mean by "ukrainian origin"? Is it something like "slavic orgin" of Berlin or "lithuanian orgin" of Wilno?Anyway Lwów is now a ukrainian city and no1 sane wants to take it from you but just please don't deny it's polishness and take good care of it.
@Armill.it has been always a myth about Polish Lviv,which is unfortunatelyI still deliberately being brainwashed among poles...and poles like russians and austo-hungarians were nothing but ocupants and everybody would want a trophey like a marvelous city set by king Danylo in the middle of 13th century(by the way, Lviv's city, his son's Lev..but never Lwow)...Why did you guys freak out and just ran away when russians took over in 1939 if this city was really yours?
@Armill32 I don't want to play historian , but I give you one number-482,000 ukrainians were resettled from Lemkivshchyna,Posiannia, Pidliashia and Holmshchyna during the bloody Visla operation in order to outnumber ukrainian population on so called 'polish lands'....But we already left that behind even though this is one of the black pages of ukrainian history and there took place a fact of historical misappropriation of other's land ...so next time. think twice before misguiding other's...
@MrVois are U joking or U playing with the history? Dont know that the ,,Wisla,, action was made in Moscow?Read about your,, hero,, Bandera and oun , upa which killed almost 200 thousands innocent polish people - not partizants, not soldiers but innocent woman, children and village people. Your country is in blood. you are always licking germans or russians asses - it yours place in history od the world.
@asmad77 Wisla", planned by both russians and poles had the same goal-total denationalisation of Ukrainians.As it turned out later they failed
- OUN-UPA just responded the cruel acts of Armija Krayova...it was sort of war..whatever number you put, it would be still fewer than the number of peaceful killed ukrainians...
-that's why ukrainian land was in blood the whole 20th century...
anyway,Poland is considered as Ukraine's good neighbour regardless the freaks like you..no competence, no manners
@MrVois So, what about ca. 800 000 Poles resettled from Ukraine (ca. 140 000 from Lviv itself in it) and 40 000 to 60 000 Poles beastly murdered by Ukrainians in Volhynia and 30 000-40 000 in Eastern Galicia. Opeartion Wisla was result of your earlier cruelty.
@Swietokrzyski about 600 000 ukrainians (or rusins) were "repatriated" to ZSSR and about 30 000 - 40 000 ukrainians were murdered by AK and Bataliony Chlopsky.
@Armill32 .it has been always a myth about Polish Lviv,which is unfortunatelyI still deliberately being brainwashed among poles...and poles like russians and austo-hungarians were nothing but ocupants and everybody would want a trophey like a marvelous city set by king Danylo in the middle of 13th century(by the way, Lviv's city, his son's Lev..but never Lwow)...Why did you guys freak out and just ran away when russians took over in 1939 if this city was really yours?
Thanks to Euronews for visiting Lviv! I hope my city will always share its best spirit with everyone. BTW, it's my brother playing the violin:) ....(P.S. It's a little unexpected though, that when they talked about sad history they mentioned only German occupation and none of the Soviet for instance; but all that is past).
Да успокойтесь Вы! В Польше много городов - Люблин, Жешув (Ряшев) которые были основанны еще Киевскими князьями. А было три раза когда Польша переставала существовать. И входила в состав Российской империи. И если не прекратим сраться, то плохо будет и Польше и Украине. Рядом Россия, в которой уже почти половина населения мусульмане, потомки Чингизхана и т.д.Так что прекратите грызню, Львов прекрасный город и какая разница кто его строил и кто там живет! Не давайте провокаторам ни единого шанса!
Is it really worth worrying about a history that happened many many years ago. Surly you have more important things to worry about, like family, health, community ECT. Land belongs to no one.
It's both funny and sad when the man in the video says that it feels like he was in Western Europe. Of course if feels like that, the old buildings were build by Poles, who are part of Western/Latin civilisation.
I was born in L'viv, it's L'viv so stfu, they were not built by the polish, it was always L'vivska oblast and not part of poland. You guys sound like retards, I suggest sticking to your own cultures and history, and not other people's.
Very funny. The culture and history of Lwów untill 1945 IS Polish culture and history. Seriously, I can understand that you Ukrainians want to usurp, steal our culture and traditions, because they are better than your own.
Go around Lwów, see the old buildings and check which one's were build by Ukrainians and which were build by the Polish. The buildings that give the impression of "Little Paris" were mostly build by the Polish, it's our culture, not yours. And as for "who cares" about us - obviously you care about our culture, since you try to usurp/steal it.
You are being a retard, what I am saying is that polish people did not come in and build L'viv. If you live in L'viv and the buildings were built in L'viv, they are Ukrainian. Also stop misspelling L'viv, I don't go around misspelling your city of birth so I do not see why you have to.
The Polish people actually did build the architecture of Lwów throughout the centuries, and "little Paris" old buildings are the product of Polish culture, not the peasant Ukrainian one. Seriously, why don't you respect your ancestors and feel proud about their peasant huts instead?
@KostjaMoscow You do understand Ukrainians fall under the Ruthenian term. Present day Lviv covers expanse grounds.... of course Ukrainians could not live in Lviv, it was a small city with expanse amounts of Ukrainian laborers all around it. Ukrainians lived in villages all around Lviv... just because the rich lived in the city made of Ukrainian labor...
@EdyPegasus I am really sorry,but that is not the truth.It was a soviet propaganda about "Polish Lwów in Ukrainian sea".From the 16 districts in Lwów's county in 8 districts Poles were absolute majority and in 2 districts Poles were relative majority.Ukrainians were majority in 6 districts of Lwów county.In Lwów,as in every other city lived rich and poor people.Poles also constitued labour.Poles also lived in the villages.
@manudu20 soviet propaganda? i did not grow up in the soviet era .... i grew up as it fell to the ground. Talk about polish propaganda.... Never said there where no poles other than in lviv... just saying a majority of the population outside of lviv was not polish.... in general Ukrainians were not counted in census' as stated, this is a fact and get over it. Yes poles were evicted from Ukrainian homeland... only to be replaced by russians....
@EdyPegasus Yes,in general you are right.Ukrainians were the majority in whole of Ukraine.I am saying about Lwów district.It was soviet propaganda....and hier is the problem.Whose land is this?As you probably know Kievan Rus conquered and rutenized this land from Poland in X century.What was then we know.I just can't understand why some Ukrainians deny polish history of Lviv.It's pointless.Two weeks ago I came back from Lviv.I love the city with its Polish history and its Ukrainian present.
@EdyPegasus Even if part of labour were Ukrainians they built for Poles and for their money and according to their projects.(I am talking now about interwar period).I do not understand why it is so hard for you it was a Polish city.How Lviv may not own Polish cultural heritage,since it was one of Polish royal towns for centuries.There is no other such big city in Ukraine like Lviv.Lviv is similar to other polish cities like Cracow or Lublin.
Brethren, do not quarel about Lwów-Lviv. My ancestors were "Lwowiaks" being both Polish and Ruthenian (Ukrainian?). They thought about themselves just like a Lwowian poet Platon Kostecki - gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus! They were partialy Roman- and partialy Greek-Catholics, but when Ukrainians wanted to capture the City in 1918, all of them, as whole Lwów at that time supported Poland. To much happened during 20th Century to change anything, but please, let us cry our tears for this town.
Watching a video like this brakes my heart, my family is polish and came from lwow. Before it became ukranian 60% of inhabitants were polish, until they were evicted or in some cases ethnically clensed. In my heart lwow will always be polish
@kwasniewskiable I just want to say you one thing, Its true Lviv was polish, but before became a part of Poland it was Ukrainian city.A lot of polish people thing Lviv its polish and always be. But its just what u all prefer to think.
Welcome to Lviv!!!!! Lviv is always open for tourist and espesially for polish people.
I wouldn't call Lviv a small Paris but rather small Vienna or Prague as it's been part of Central European culture for centuries. It also reflects developments in Polish architecture throughout the centuries. Nevertheless it's very multicultural with its Ukrainian, Armenian Churches, Austrian Opera House and Rail Station, and remnants of Jewish presence, as well. I have a feeling that Lviv will become a very popular destination after 2012. I love this city and want to go back asap:)
With due respect, I do not know how much of Ukrainian culture is there in the city. Lviv (Lwów) had been a completely Polish city for centuries (with an outstanding mathematics academic centre,I should add) that was given to Ukraine just because of the post-war treaties and I mean the WWII here. I don't want to disregard anyone, I just wanted to stress that, because the video seemed to have given a solid image. Of course, I am encouraging Ukrainians to get the best of it and take care of it.
@Joey7321 don't trick yourself. Lviv was ukrainian for a long time before it was conquered by Casimir III of Poland.
After ages a lot of architecture was built by polish invaders on ukrainian grounds, yes. But, for example, Lviv University built accordingly to Treaty of Hadiach.
Do you think western ukrainians couldn't build and make architecture themself if they weren't conquered by Poland and then by Austria and were attainted?
@MrVitaliyP Did they do it in Kiev? No they did not + Kazimierz III The Great destroyed Lviv and next to it built Lwow. When that happened the Ruthenians did not even know they where Ukrainians back then so how is that land Ukrainian? People who established and stated living in the area in the 7th century the Lendians were a Polish tribe. Ukraine has never been there Im glad you now have a country but please, bratanki dont call yours what is rightfully ours.
What we can see in this video is:polish renaissance market square with Boim's chapel(for polish noble family),the Opera House(designed by polish architect Zygmunt Gorgolewski) and polish university(founded by polish king in 1661.)
The huge difference between Kiev and Lviv(especially in architecture) stems from the fact that Lviv was a polish city before WW2.It was the center of polish culture and science for 600 years.After the war polish population was expelled-Yalta conference changed our borders(Soviet Union,Great Britain and USA).
@EdyPegasus Do you have any evidence?Ukrainians worked mostly in factories.My grandfather worked in both Lwów(Lviv) and Równe(Rivne) and he was an artisan. Poles were the majority all the time until first expel in 1944.And they paid taxes.In 1931 it was 11% of Ukrainians and 25% of Jews in the city.What for you build so many Roman Catholic churches since you are not Roman Catholic. Churches which you convert now to Greek Catholic and Orthodoxy.
@manudu20 My grandfather lived in "Rowne" as well and stated that ukrainians in the lowest class were not counted in the population because they did not live in proper housing. Only those with legal residencies were counted in a census..... most Ukrainians did not fall in this category... including him. So believe what you want but just because Poles left a mark on the cities, Ukrainians were always the ones that built them. (my grandfather was a carpenter and worked for a Polak)...
@EdyPegasus Where would you get Ukrainians in Lviv since to 1939 there were only 2% of Ukrainians in Lviv?
Neither cossacks, neither Symon Petlura , neither Chmielnicki did not wanted Lviv. Lviv was ethnically, historically and geographiclly Polish. A lot of Ukrainians lived near Lviv, but not in Lviv. The city was divided into fourdistrict, 3 were Polish, 1 was Jewish with a huge gate. It was built by the Poles. Ukrainians were more on the east - look at the documentation of Austrians
@ziutek998 you sure are blind, east? my family has been living west of Rivne for more than 200 years buddy... really dont know where you get your stats from. Just because legal land owners were the only ones counted in a census does not mean that Ukrainians were not in and all around Lviv.... Ukrainians were always put down by the oppressors... you are just as blind as Russians who say Holodomor was not man made...
@EdyPegasus My family lived in Lviv over 400 years as we were the noble class. Look at documentation of Austrians. There were barely few Ukrainians in Lviv. Outside, yes there were a lot, but not in Lviv. We are talking about Ukrainians, not fucking Russians or Ruthianians, so there were only 2% Ukraianins in Lviv while 7% could speak Ukrainian language. You are blind mon ami. Just look at documantation about who lived in Lviv. This is a general problem of Ukraine - poor education.
@EdyPegasus I think the agreement is probably impossible.But I do not want to argue.Poles worked in the construcion(not all Poles were the higher class),they were fundators of the buildings(taxes)and they were architects of the buildings.The problem is Lwów(Lviv) is important for both nations.For the Poles is a city legend.Before the war it was more important city than Warsaw or Cracow.Not to mention times of the partition of Poland,when Lwów was not official capitol of Poland.
@manudu20 I would like to see so Lviv.But I know it's not possible today because of strong notionalism in Western Ukraine.Ukrainians often deny polish history of the city.What is importent polish government didn't official accept Lwów as not polish city.
@EdyPegasus Poles miss Lviv because the Germans destroyed to the ground most of ours cities,including Warsaw.They destroyed 96% monuments of Warsaw and paid nothing for it.So we can see our cultural heritage in Lviv.And how many Poles is today in Lviv and in Ukraine? Not all Poles are counted.Is such a city Cieszyn(polish)/Tesin(Czech),which is located in two countries.The state border divides city into polish and czech part.It was dispute about the city between Poles and Czechs.
@manudu20 The street layout and presence of a large central town square is indeed a consequence of Polish occupation! But the main reason Kyiv will never attract the same interest is that it was so badly damaged during the Second World War and under Stalin. The former destroyed most of the inner city (google 'ruined kyiv' to see just how bad it was), and the latter demolished sites that were misguidedly deemed to be 'of no historic importance' (like St Michael's Cathedral)
@CharlieDraper Polish occupation?The only one who were the occupants here were Nazis and Soviets.Poles have biult a city from scratch.The town was razed to the ground by lithuanian prince Lubart.We Poles have more rights to say this land is under ukrainian occupation right now.This land is historically and geographically polish since X century.Polish king Casimir the Great only restored this land to Poland.If you are British you should know the British wanted Lwów for Poland.
@manudu20 You're right that lots of the city was built by Poles. But we shouldn't forget that Lviv was ruled by the Hapsburg Empire from 1772 to 1867, and part of Austria-Hungary until the First World War. Many famous buildings - including the Opera House and Town Hall, were built during this period. The Austro-Hungarians also installed Lviv's famous tram system. But I agree the Polish-Soviet conflict is upsetting. Before the war, Lviv's population was largely Polish.
@CharlieDraper Well,yes Lemberg(Lwów,Lviv) was also Austrian.It was fourth the leargest city in Austria-Hungary empire.But the majority of inhabitians were still Poles.During the partitions of Poland the city was the only place where polish culture could develop(or in emigration-mainly France).During poitical and cultural Polish autonomy in Austria-Hungary Empire most of architects were polish,not Austrians.
@manudu20 Yes,the town hall was built by Austrians but Opera House was built by Polish architect Zygmunt Gorgolewski(and other polish architects). Inside the Opera we can see paintings from famous polish operas.As for the tram system it was a result of industrial revolution in XIX century.
@CharlieDraper In Austrian Hungarian empire the Poles had autonomy in Krakow and Lviv. For all the Austrian Hungarian empire time, all the presidents of Lviv were Polish, Polish newspapers and books. Lviv was built by the Poles because of autonomy.
We've lived in Lviv 9 years. We even had a business here for about 2 of those years. There is a real problem with the police and their lawlessness. Lviv is a beautiful city but need a serious reconstruction of the government from the president down to the street cops. Every official I've met over 9 years has been crooked. All gov. related to accidents, to registration for the business have wanted bribes. We had a car stolen from our drive, the cops wanted a bribe to look for the car.
A good friend got a business there, a nice little cultural store in the middle of the area. Every 2 weeks 3 people comes avisit the place to ask for commendation they expect for services like student incomes liabilities to change aspect of income bla bla bla. If they don't agree on this community services, they will rebuild the place into a monument they say. Bandits and gangsters rules these places, dont let the looks and cuteness distract from the reality!!
@g0dg1ven thank you for the respond on my comment. It sure does have a very romatic view. I do like ukrain in its whole. The people are very friendly, do seem to enjoy live and most are very tolerant for other people who comes and visit there. We all know, reality is an illusive mind-trick an we led into the mere looks of the economy that makes us want to believe the beauty rather then show its real face. However I do understand the romance for ones dreams as well. I do have myself :)
Yep, Lviv is ukrainian.
LWÓW NA ZAWSZE POLSKI !
xblackdavepl 4 days ago
Dear friends... I'm talking to both Polish and Ukrainians... Please, think more of present and future than the past... We're yet too close from the horrible events of the past for that past to be able to give us any benefit in today's need of sustaining peace, justice and cultural growth all over the world. We'll hopefully learn from the past, but give each other time to do that. At the end, we're all equal, i believe.
YurBvids 5 days ago
Peremyshl is ukranian town
lvivoleg20 1 week ago
oki.I think once for all it must be said. Lwow its polish city. Anyone ready for merythorical conversation or just bitting and run away? Unfortunetly, you wont chope my head with axe, or rape my mother, so you need to discous like human beings (at least you can walk around Lwow, maybe high culture like a holy spirt attended someone). The only possibility for Lwow not to rotten totaly, its to creat autonomy in Galicja, which could push some of ur "czuprynki" to EU. Other hand, Russia will eat you
rakuuu85 1 week ago
@rakuuu85 Lviv is Ukrainian and always had been:))...Ok I'm just kidding;))Lwów zawsze polski!!:)
MrThorn88 1 week ago
To Ukrainian Friends! Nowadays we will not change the true history, good or bad, but that is our identity. There was a lot of bad blood between our nations during centuries, what happened we cannot change. But we can build together or not, a better future, remember that. Please, treat Lvov well, the best as You can, we were responsible for that "jewel"for centuries, now it's yours. But I will always have tears in my eyes visiting Lvov and graves of my family at the Łyczaków cemetery. Good luck!
ptasiek420cdi 1 week ago
hmmm lviv ah yeah i forget it's called Lwów
krzysztofmisio 2 weeks ago
В Львові зовсім інша архітектура ніж в Парижі
UnSerpent1 3 weeks ago
TAM JEST POLSKA SKURWYSYNY CZERWONE
danielkarin1996 4 weeks ago
I think Szczecin looks the most like Paris!
JNadobnik 1 month ago
@Ptasiek420cdi Tak, zaden mada faka nie podskoczy do polaka! Polska myla naj większym krajem w europie! Polska for ever!!!!
JNadobnik 1 month ago
2:46 it's Ukr.pride, for us the most beautiful girls and women
pashkashopik 1 month ago
I do not understand as you can consider us scums, if it not we and government, you live in a chocolate and we in a shit
pashkashopik 1 month ago
It's a Polish city, always was, and will always be. Never forgotten.
ptasiek420cdi 1 month ago
@ptasiek420cdi without offenses - but you can visit him at any moment
pashkashopik 1 month ago
@ptasiek420cdi Have you forgotten, my Polish friend, that Lviv (not Lwow) was founded by Ukrainian prince Daniel of Galicia and named in honour of his son Lev? It was a part of Ukrainian land, Galicia–Volhynia, which was later conquered by Poland Have you forgotten that 95.03% of Gdansk population were Germans (see, e.g. census of 1923)?
samsam1706 4 weeks ago
@samsam1706 Lviv wasn't conquered by Poland.Volyhnia Duke joined Kingdom of Poland willingly 'cause he wanted its dukedom to be part of Poland.It wasn't by force!!! Also before it bacame Polish it was gorod not city(it was shithole) This place was funded by Duke but City was built by Poles.Whay don't u learn u uneducated moron????
MrThorn88 4 weeks ago
@MrThorn88 You write anonymously. However that does not give you the right to abuse people. By calling me "idiot" and "uneducated moron" you demonstrate your bad education and very low intelligence level. This "uneducated moron" (as you said) obtained PhD degree in theoretical physics from the top European university (ENS in Paris, France) and has been working since in world-leading research institutions. And who the fuck are you to call me like that?
samsam1706 1 week ago
@samsam1706 I proved all what u said wrong.I just call ppl by their words here,if they say stupid things I call them stupid.I don't care what degree u have.Ur degree doesn't change the fact u r stupid.Humanity is dying faster since idiots started to obtain degrees.Who am I? I'm just smat one showing you that u r wrong.
MrThorn88 1 week ago
@samsam1706 You should better study more of history my friend if You want to discuss which nation was earlier in which city, and for how many centuries. No offence, but You should try, it's always profitable :)
ptasiek420cdi 1 week ago
@ptasiek420cdi I am physicist and do not pretend to be historian. But I know that Lviv was founded by King Daniel of Galicia in the Ruthenian principality of Halych-Volhynia and named in honour of his son Lev. During the wars over the succession of Galicia-Volhynia Principality in 1339 King Casimir III of Poland undertook an expedition and conquered Lviv in 1340, burning down the old princely castle. Did you learn other history?
samsam1706 1 week ago
@samsam1706 First of all King casimir inherited and he was the only lawful owner of the city and region.I learn the history,u just shreds of it.
MrThorn88 1 week ago
@ptasiek420cdi Have you forgotten that native Ukrainian city Przemyśl (Peremyshl) became Polish after the WWII? Do you know, my friend, that 2/3 of eastern Prussia were granted to Poland after WWII although these lands were never Polish?
samsam1706 4 weeks ago
@samsam1706 Przemyśl was always Polish city!!!!!!! Go to books boy and learn!!!!!.Ukrainians stated big minoruty there but major was Polish!!!!Eastern Prussia belonged to Poland for 600 years.Westen Prussia wasn't.Learn before u say bullshit!!!!And why Western Prussia was granted to Poland??? It was given as compensation for Polsih loses at war.It was what Germany had to pay for destroing our cities,lands and killing 1/3 of our population.Leaaaarnn u idiot!!!!!!!!!!!
MrThorn88 4 weeks ago
@samsam1706 so maybe its high time, you should educate us, about "eternal ukrainian city" called Krakow, and its forgotten history, which in its poetry resambles greek mythology and atlantis at once.....wait, you call that history.
Guess why you are poor without perspective??
rakuuu85 1 week ago
@rakuuu85 I did not say anything about Krakow. But Lviv was founded by Prince Danylo who definitely was not Polish. It was a part of Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia before it joined Poland. Do you think I am poor? Yes, maybe. But my monthly salary exceeds thrice an average salary in Poland.
samsam1706 1 week ago
@samsam1706 history and physics its the same scince. So what that Lwow was founded by Danil, if for next 700 years it was ours? Do you think at that time it was vacuum? Rome was founded by Greeks, and NY by Indians. Times go by, and Lwow since that time became second after Warsaw city for us, which defended from Chmielnicki, tsar, Tatars,Turks and in 1919 guess from who? I am not saying that you are poor, but todays inhabitants of Lwow are poorer to those pre-1939, which is a shame.
rakuuu85 1 week ago
@rakuuu85 Yes, Lviv was part of Poland then Austria-Hungary. Yes, the modern city bears significant traces of Polish, Austrian and Jewish culture In a similar way St Petersburg looks like Western European city since it was built mainly by Italian and French architects. However most of Lviv inhabitants nowadays consider themselves as Ukrainians They hate our corrupt government but nevertheless remain patriots of Ukraine So the city will never be Polish. But you are always welcome here!
samsam1706 1 week ago
@samsam1706 you want to be part of UE and NATO? Its only via Warsaw. Todays ukrainians, but 100 years ago, there was no such a term like Ukrainians. Its high time to face reality, either you split from Kiev and we remake Rzeczypospolita, or you stay where you stay, and with ur demography, emigration and AIDS, in the next 30-40 years Lwow will be a ghost town. Not to mention that civil war may errupt. Ukraine has no hope, besides it cant be a normal state, out of the land robed from others
rakuuu85 1 week ago
Hard to read all this... really.
YurBvids 1 month ago
Heavy battles here:(
Lviv beautiful city !
Visit it!
KirkChernishkov 1 month ago
IT IS A POLISH CITY OF LWÓW UNDER THE TEMPORARY OCCUPATION.
WE ARE COMING BACK !!!
LEOPOLIS SEMPER FIDELIS !!!
MrKresowiak 1 month ago
"Polish occupation" sounds funny... we (Polish) did NOT occupy Ukraine, but Ukraina made a part of the first in community (Common Wealth) in Europe: Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian unity which was so called "Res Publica", it is a pitty of "Polish nobels" that Ukraina was not made "official" or the Res Publica (only the nations of Poland and Lithuania were)
zinhosky 1 month ago
and tell mi the reason in your opinion what for Armia Krajowa attacked the ukrainians? We have other enemies like germans and russians. Think about this - it ukrainians common nazis murdered jews and polish - this is the fact. Ok u are fighting with rusians - thats good but why U murdered innocent people - I dont know really maybe becouse bandrea was a sadistic and paranoic man?
asmad77 1 month ago
You are ukrainian freak, take the historian book not written in Ukraine - read in english and u will see.Dont read only the nacional ukrainistic propaganda from Canada. Ukraine is a strange country - U had a orange revoltion, U had Juszczenko, Tymoszenko but u choosen Janukowycz..U will be always under Russia domination becouse there is no nation in your bloody country. In Poland we never forget yours crimes during second world war..
asmad77 1 month ago
...and some ukrainian architecture as well:)
YurBvids 1 month ago
Relax you all. Lviv is European city like it always was. now its Ukraine. not polish not austrian and save Lord not russia. ITS UKRAINIAN city!!!! with austrian and polish ,italian architecture.
noortik 1 month ago 22
@noortik Most of architecture in this city is Polish.It was the most beautiful Polish city.Now it's stolen.Poles will always remember this city and considering as polish town.
MrThorn88 1 month ago
@MrThorn88 Most of architecture in Danzig (Gdansk) is German. It was one of the most beautiful city in Prussia. Now it is stolen by Poland. Germans will always remember Danzig and considering as German town.
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MrThorn88 4 weeks ago
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@samsam1706 A short lesson for you poor boy.Gdańsk is hanzeatic architecture not german.It was the most beautiful city in Prusy Królewskie(Prussia)-part of Kingom of Poland for over 600 years!!.Gdańsk was Polish Royal city for more 400 years. And the last fact but also very imporatnt:At the end of 2 ww city was completely destroyed,80% of the city was demolished to the ground by germans and soviets.All what u can see in Gdańsk today is built by Poles from zero.Think!!!Lviv always Polish!!!
MrThorn88 4 weeks ago
@MrThorn88 Also Gdańsk belonged to Poland for over 740 years,To Germany belonged for not even 100.
MrThorn88 4 weeks ago
@noortik The best city ever!!!!!!
Natal6ka 2 weeks ago
Please, both Ukrainians and Poles, be more tolerant and cool. Much of the enmity between us is NKVD's job, and there's a lot of false "history" produced by them. They were killing people saying that Ukrainians did that. We have to be very careful today, because what we have is almost an informational war produced by Russia to make Ukraine and Poland weaker.
YurBvids 1 month ago
@YurBvids You are right - first smart man! This is exatclty what I wanted to write. Our common enemy is Russia. We both, Ukraina and Poland have a difficult history...but we are neighbours and we must bulid our godd relationship. Greetings from Poland. P.s Lwow, Lviv is a beatifull city - carry about it:)
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YurBvids 1 month ago
Хто з Львова чи просто любить Львів - палець вверх! Геть ляських коментаторів з цього відео!
Ternopil23 1 month ago 6
Lviv is unique Ukrainian city, which has experienced numerous occupations set be Polish, Russians, Austro-Hungarians in different times...But the city of Lviv managed to remain its charm and ukrainian spirit that was being constantly spread all over entire territory of Ukraine regardless country's division...Ukrainians appreciate polish contribution towards city's infrustructure, but all the speculations regarding someone's infringement on Lviv's genuine ukrainian origin don't make any sence.
MrVois 1 month ago 2
@MrVois
What "ukrainian spirit" are you talking about?You were just 8% in Lwów before war.And your argument about occupations is invalid.Even when Lwów was part of Austria it remained polish city because the inhabitants were poles.
Aslo what do you mean by "ukrainian origin"? Is it something like "slavic orgin" of Berlin or "lithuanian orgin" of Wilno?Anyway Lwów is now a ukrainian city and no1 sane wants to take it from you but just please don't deny it's polishness and take good care of it.
Armill32 1 month ago
@Armill.it has been always a myth about Polish Lviv,which is unfortunatelyI still deliberately being brainwashed among poles...and poles like russians and austo-hungarians were nothing but ocupants and everybody would want a trophey like a marvelous city set by king Danylo in the middle of 13th century(by the way, Lviv's city, his son's Lev..but never Lwow)...Why did you guys freak out and just ran away when russians took over in 1939 if this city was really yours?
MrVois 1 month ago 5
@Armill32 I don't want to play historian , but I give you one number-482,000 ukrainians were resettled from Lemkivshchyna,Posiannia, Pidliashia and Holmshchyna during the bloody Visla operation in order to outnumber ukrainian population on so called 'polish lands'....But we already left that behind even though this is one of the black pages of ukrainian history and there took place a fact of historical misappropriation of other's land ...so next time. think twice before misguiding other's...
MrVois 1 month ago 14
@MrVois are U joking or U playing with the history? Dont know that the ,,Wisla,, action was made in Moscow?Read about your,, hero,, Bandera and oun , upa which killed almost 200 thousands innocent polish people - not partizants, not soldiers but innocent woman, children and village people. Your country is in blood. you are always licking germans or russians asses - it yours place in history od the world.
asmad77 1 month ago
@asmad77 Wisla", planned by both russians and poles had the same goal-total denationalisation of Ukrainians.As it turned out later they failed
- OUN-UPA just responded the cruel acts of Armija Krayova...it was sort of war..whatever number you put, it would be still fewer than the number of peaceful killed ukrainians...
-that's why ukrainian land was in blood the whole 20th century...
anyway,Poland is considered as Ukraine's good neighbour regardless the freaks like you..no competence, no manners
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@MrVois So, what about ca. 800 000 Poles resettled from Ukraine (ca. 140 000 from Lviv itself in it) and 40 000 to 60 000 Poles beastly murdered by Ukrainians in Volhynia and 30 000-40 000 in Eastern Galicia. Opeartion Wisla was result of your earlier cruelty.
Swietokrzyski 1 month ago
@Swietokrzyski about 600 000 ukrainians (or rusins) were "repatriated" to ZSSR and about 30 000 - 40 000 ukrainians were murdered by AK and Bataliony Chlopsky.
oleh2007 1 month ago
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@Armill32 .it has been always a myth about Polish Lviv,which is unfortunatelyI still deliberately being brainwashed among poles...and poles like russians and austo-hungarians were nothing but ocupants and everybody would want a trophey like a marvelous city set by king Danylo in the middle of 13th century(by the way, Lviv's city, his son's Lev..but never Lwow)...Why did you guys freak out and just ran away when russians took over in 1939 if this city was really yours?
MrVois 1 month ago
Thanks to Euronews for visiting Lviv! I hope my city will always share its best spirit with everyone. BTW, it's my brother playing the violin:) ....(P.S. It's a little unexpected though, that when they talked about sad history they mentioned only German occupation and none of the Soviet for instance; but all that is past).
YurBvids 1 month ago
Да успокойтесь Вы! В Польше много городов - Люблин, Жешув (Ряшев) которые были основанны еще Киевскими князьями. А было три раза когда Польша переставала существовать. И входила в состав Российской империи. И если не прекратим сраться, то плохо будет и Польше и Украине. Рядом Россия, в которой уже почти половина населения мусульмане, потомки Чингизхана и т.д.Так что прекратите грызню, Львов прекрасный город и какая разница кто его строил и кто там живет! Не давайте провокаторам ни единого шанса!
SergioKuefer 2 months ago
Is it really worth worrying about a history that happened many many years ago. Surly you have more important things to worry about, like family, health, community ECT. Land belongs to no one.
drumroll33 2 months ago
Lviv is not a small Paris, it's Lviv.
blargh12 2 months ago
@blargh12
It's not small Paris. It's not Lviv. It's LWÓW.
It's both funny and sad when the man in the video says that it feels like he was in Western Europe. Of course if feels like that, the old buildings were build by Poles, who are part of Western/Latin civilisation.
Mik80PL 2 months ago
@Mik80PL
I was born in L'viv, it's L'viv so stfu, they were not built by the polish, it was always L'vivska oblast and not part of poland. You guys sound like retards, I suggest sticking to your own cultures and history, and not other people's.
loldudeisme 2 months ago
@loldudeisme
Very funny. The culture and history of Lwów untill 1945 IS Polish culture and history. Seriously, I can understand that you Ukrainians want to usurp, steal our culture and traditions, because they are better than your own.
Mik80PL 2 months ago
@Mik80PL
Are you fucking serious no one cares about polish people honestly just shut the fuck up, is l'viv polish? no your point is completely invalid
loldudeisme 2 months ago
@loldudeisme
Go around Lwów, see the old buildings and check which one's were build by Ukrainians and which were build by the Polish. The buildings that give the impression of "Little Paris" were mostly build by the Polish, it's our culture, not yours. And as for "who cares" about us - obviously you care about our culture, since you try to usurp/steal it.
Mik80PL 2 months ago
@Mik80PL
You are being a retard, what I am saying is that polish people did not come in and build L'viv. If you live in L'viv and the buildings were built in L'viv, they are Ukrainian. Also stop misspelling L'viv, I don't go around misspelling your city of birth so I do not see why you have to.
loldudeisme 1 month ago
@loldudeisme
The Polish people actually did build the architecture of Lwów throughout the centuries, and "little Paris" old buildings are the product of Polish culture, not the peasant Ukrainian one. Seriously, why don't you respect your ancestors and feel proud about their peasant huts instead?
Mik80PL 1 month ago
@Mik80PL it's Lviv. and will always be LVIV. BTW don forget an Austrian who build Lviv too.
noortik 1 month ago
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TreeStan2009 2 months ago
Lviv was German... Ruthenean and Jewish... there were Polish people but they were not the majority!
KostjaMoscow 3 months ago
@KostjaMoscow You do understand Ukrainians fall under the Ruthenian term. Present day Lviv covers expanse grounds.... of course Ukrainians could not live in Lviv, it was a small city with expanse amounts of Ukrainian laborers all around it. Ukrainians lived in villages all around Lviv... just because the rich lived in the city made of Ukrainian labor...
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus I am really sorry,but that is not the truth.It was a soviet propaganda about "Polish Lwów in Ukrainian sea".From the 16 districts in Lwów's county in 8 districts Poles were absolute majority and in 2 districts Poles were relative majority.Ukrainians were majority in 6 districts of Lwów county.In Lwów,as in every other city lived rich and poor people.Poles also constitued labour.Poles also lived in the villages.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 soviet propaganda? i did not grow up in the soviet era .... i grew up as it fell to the ground. Talk about polish propaganda.... Never said there where no poles other than in lviv... just saying a majority of the population outside of lviv was not polish.... in general Ukrainians were not counted in census' as stated, this is a fact and get over it. Yes poles were evicted from Ukrainian homeland... only to be replaced by russians....
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Yes,in general you are right.Ukrainians were the majority in whole of Ukraine.I am saying about Lwów district.It was soviet propaganda....and hier is the problem.Whose land is this?As you probably know Kievan Rus conquered and rutenized this land from Poland in X century.What was then we know.I just can't understand why some Ukrainians deny polish history of Lviv.It's pointless.Two weeks ago I came back from Lviv.I love the city with its Polish history and its Ukrainian present.
manudu20 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Even if part of labour were Ukrainians they built for Poles and for their money and according to their projects.(I am talking now about interwar period).I do not understand why it is so hard for you it was a Polish city.How Lviv may not own Polish cultural heritage,since it was one of Polish royal towns for centuries.There is no other such big city in Ukraine like Lviv.Lviv is similar to other polish cities like Cracow or Lublin.
manudu20 3 months ago
Brethren, do not quarel about Lwów-Lviv. My ancestors were "Lwowiaks" being both Polish and Ruthenian (Ukrainian?). They thought about themselves just like a Lwowian poet Platon Kostecki - gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus! They were partialy Roman- and partialy Greek-Catholics, but when Ukrainians wanted to capture the City in 1918, all of them, as whole Lwów at that time supported Poland. To much happened during 20th Century to change anything, but please, let us cry our tears for this town.
BestaHansen 3 months ago
''Zawsze wierny, tobie Polsko''
''Leopolis semper fidelis''
ziutek998 4 months ago
Watching a video like this brakes my heart, my family is polish and came from lwow. Before it became ukranian 60% of inhabitants were polish, until they were evicted or in some cases ethnically clensed. In my heart lwow will always be polish
kwasniewskiable 4 months ago
@kwasniewskiable I just want to say you one thing, Its true Lviv was polish, but before became a part of Poland it was Ukrainian city.A lot of polish people thing Lviv its polish and always be. But its just what u all prefer to think.
Welcome to Lviv!!!!! Lviv is always open for tourist and espesially for polish people.
Natal6ka 4 months ago
I wouldn't call Lviv a small Paris but rather small Vienna or Prague as it's been part of Central European culture for centuries. It also reflects developments in Polish architecture throughout the centuries. Nevertheless it's very multicultural with its Ukrainian, Armenian Churches, Austrian Opera House and Rail Station, and remnants of Jewish presence, as well. I have a feeling that Lviv will become a very popular destination after 2012. I love this city and want to go back asap:)
ronaldpk2000 5 months ago 3
I love this city! This is the best place in the world!
vpatlatikv 5 months ago
Thank you for my exhibition show in Lviv, "Rosh Hashanah" in 3:17 minutes.
Photographer Maxim Dondyuk maximdondyuk . com
MaximDondyuk 6 months ago
Lviv is the best city I have ever lived!
lama111ya 6 months ago 21
With due respect, I do not know how much of Ukrainian culture is there in the city. Lviv (Lwów) had been a completely Polish city for centuries (with an outstanding mathematics academic centre,I should add) that was given to Ukraine just because of the post-war treaties and I mean the WWII here. I don't want to disregard anyone, I just wanted to stress that, because the video seemed to have given a solid image. Of course, I am encouraging Ukrainians to get the best of it and take care of it.
Joey7321 6 months ago
@Joey7321 don't trick yourself. Lviv was ukrainian for a long time before it was conquered by Casimir III of Poland.
After ages a lot of architecture was built by polish invaders on ukrainian grounds, yes. But, for example, Lviv University built accordingly to Treaty of Hadiach.
Do you think western ukrainians couldn't build and make architecture themself if they weren't conquered by Poland and then by Austria and were attainted?
MrVitaliyP 6 months ago
@MrVitaliyP Did they do it in Kiev? No they did not + Kazimierz III The Great destroyed Lviv and next to it built Lwow. When that happened the Ruthenians did not even know they where Ukrainians back then so how is that land Ukrainian? People who established and stated living in the area in the 7th century the Lendians were a Polish tribe. Ukraine has never been there Im glad you now have a country but please, bratanki dont call yours what is rightfully ours.
THEBARTMANOPS 4 months ago
Great job. I like this video
Boroda222 6 months ago
Does someone know the opening background music (min: 0.04 to 0.18)?
8SINO 6 months ago
What we can see in this video is:polish renaissance market square with Boim's chapel(for polish noble family),the Opera House(designed by polish architect Zygmunt Gorgolewski) and polish university(founded by polish king in 1661.)
manudu20 6 months ago
The huge difference between Kiev and Lviv(especially in architecture) stems from the fact that Lviv was a polish city before WW2.It was the center of polish culture and science for 600 years.After the war polish population was expelled-Yalta conference changed our borders(Soviet Union,Great Britain and USA).
manudu20 6 months ago 5
@manudu20 lol and who built it? Ukrainian surfs... Poles made up the high class... 10-20% the rest were ukrainians!!!!!
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Do you have any evidence?Ukrainians worked mostly in factories.My grandfather worked in both Lwów(Lviv) and Równe(Rivne) and he was an artisan. Poles were the majority all the time until first expel in 1944.And they paid taxes.In 1931 it was 11% of Ukrainians and 25% of Jews in the city.What for you build so many Roman Catholic churches since you are not Roman Catholic. Churches which you convert now to Greek Catholic and Orthodoxy.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 My grandfather lived in "Rowne" as well and stated that ukrainians in the lowest class were not counted in the population because they did not live in proper housing. Only those with legal residencies were counted in a census..... most Ukrainians did not fall in this category... including him. So believe what you want but just because Poles left a mark on the cities, Ukrainians were always the ones that built them. (my grandfather was a carpenter and worked for a Polak)...
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Sir, you are an idiot. What did Ukrainians built I ask? The communist blocks and stadion, that's it.
0:04 0:07 0:18 and so on, kamienica - polish style of roman architecture.
0:09 column of Adam Mickiewicz ( Polish) built by Antoni Popiel (PL)
0:48 Latin cathedral built by Józef Mehoffer( pl), Juljan Zacharjewicz (pl)
1:29 Chapel of the Boim family built by Andrzej Bemer( pl)
2:25 lviv uni set up by Polish king Jan Kazimierz and built by the Poles
And so on. Not ukraine at all
ziutek998 3 months ago
@ziutek998 shows how smart of a pole you are, Polish designed, built by Ukrainian sweat and blood.
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Where would you get Ukrainians in Lviv since to 1939 there were only 2% of Ukrainians in Lviv?
Neither cossacks, neither Symon Petlura , neither Chmielnicki did not wanted Lviv. Lviv was ethnically, historically and geographiclly Polish. A lot of Ukrainians lived near Lviv, but not in Lviv. The city was divided into fourdistrict, 3 were Polish, 1 was Jewish with a huge gate. It was built by the Poles. Ukrainians were more on the east - look at the documentation of Austrians
ziutek998 3 months ago
@ziutek998 you sure are blind, east? my family has been living west of Rivne for more than 200 years buddy... really dont know where you get your stats from. Just because legal land owners were the only ones counted in a census does not mean that Ukrainians were not in and all around Lviv.... Ukrainians were always put down by the oppressors... you are just as blind as Russians who say Holodomor was not man made...
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus My family lived in Lviv over 400 years as we were the noble class. Look at documentation of Austrians. There were barely few Ukrainians in Lviv. Outside, yes there were a lot, but not in Lviv. We are talking about Ukrainians, not fucking Russians or Ruthianians, so there were only 2% Ukraianins in Lviv while 7% could speak Ukrainian language. You are blind mon ami. Just look at documantation about who lived in Lviv. This is a general problem of Ukraine - poor education.
ziutek998 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Lviv is Ukrainian and will be,but let face the truth.The city has polish cultural heritage.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 very true :) and it should be mentioned... when Ukrainians are a bit less bitter about being taken over left and right ... then maybe xD
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus I think the agreement is probably impossible.But I do not want to argue.Poles worked in the construcion(not all Poles were the higher class),they were fundators of the buildings(taxes)and they were architects of the buildings.The problem is Lwów(Lviv) is important for both nations.For the Poles is a city legend.Before the war it was more important city than Warsaw or Cracow.Not to mention times of the partition of Poland,when Lwów was not official capitol of Poland.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 I would like to see so Lviv.But I know it's not possible today because of strong notionalism in Western Ukraine.Ukrainians often deny polish history of the city.What is importent polish government didn't official accept Lwów as not polish city.
manudu20 3 months ago
@EdyPegasus Poles miss Lviv because the Germans destroyed to the ground most of ours cities,including Warsaw.They destroyed 96% monuments of Warsaw and paid nothing for it.So we can see our cultural heritage in Lviv.And how many Poles is today in Lviv and in Ukraine? Not all Poles are counted.Is such a city Cieszyn(polish)/Tesin(Czech),which is located in two countries.The state border divides city into polish and czech part.It was dispute about the city between Poles and Czechs.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 The street layout and presence of a large central town square is indeed a consequence of Polish occupation! But the main reason Kyiv will never attract the same interest is that it was so badly damaged during the Second World War and under Stalin. The former destroyed most of the inner city (google 'ruined kyiv' to see just how bad it was), and the latter demolished sites that were misguidedly deemed to be 'of no historic importance' (like St Michael's Cathedral)
CharlieDraper 3 months ago
@CharlieDraper Polish occupation?The only one who were the occupants here were Nazis and Soviets.Poles have biult a city from scratch.The town was razed to the ground by lithuanian prince Lubart.We Poles have more rights to say this land is under ukrainian occupation right now.This land is historically and geographically polish since X century.Polish king Casimir the Great only restored this land to Poland.If you are British you should know the British wanted Lwów for Poland.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 You're right that lots of the city was built by Poles. But we shouldn't forget that Lviv was ruled by the Hapsburg Empire from 1772 to 1867, and part of Austria-Hungary until the First World War. Many famous buildings - including the Opera House and Town Hall, were built during this period. The Austro-Hungarians also installed Lviv's famous tram system. But I agree the Polish-Soviet conflict is upsetting. Before the war, Lviv's population was largely Polish.
CharlieDraper 3 months ago
@CharlieDraper Well,yes Lemberg(Lwów,Lviv) was also Austrian.It was fourth the leargest city in Austria-Hungary empire.But the majority of inhabitians were still Poles.During the partitions of Poland the city was the only place where polish culture could develop(or in emigration-mainly France).During poitical and cultural Polish autonomy in Austria-Hungary Empire most of architects were polish,not Austrians.
manudu20 3 months ago
@manudu20 Yes,the town hall was built by Austrians but Opera House was built by Polish architect Zygmunt Gorgolewski(and other polish architects). Inside the Opera we can see paintings from famous polish operas.As for the tram system it was a result of industrial revolution in XIX century.
manudu20 3 months ago
@CharlieDraper In Austrian Hungarian empire the Poles had autonomy in Krakow and Lviv. For all the Austrian Hungarian empire time, all the presidents of Lviv were Polish, Polish newspapers and books. Lviv was built by the Poles because of autonomy.
ziutek998 3 months ago
We've lived in Lviv 9 years. We even had a business here for about 2 of those years. There is a real problem with the police and their lawlessness. Lviv is a beautiful city but need a serious reconstruction of the government from the president down to the street cops. Every official I've met over 9 years has been crooked. All gov. related to accidents, to registration for the business have wanted bribes. We had a car stolen from our drive, the cops wanted a bribe to look for the car.
ukrainianboy 6 months ago 3
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Pparker99 6 months ago
@Pparker99 So what?
rudpunk 6 months ago
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Pparker99 6 months ago
L'wow was Polish
selfworm 6 months ago
@selfworm b4 that it was ? Ukrainian tada... back in our hands.... destiny
EdyPegasus 3 months ago
A good friend got a business there, a nice little cultural store in the middle of the area. Every 2 weeks 3 people comes avisit the place to ask for commendation they expect for services like student incomes liabilities to change aspect of income bla bla bla. If they don't agree on this community services, they will rebuild the place into a monument they say. Bandits and gangsters rules these places, dont let the looks and cuteness distract from the reality!!
michelb08 6 months ago
@michelb08 i live in Lviv all of my life, and i can tell you - there's no gangsters at all. Robbers and bandits is in the majority of the city.
g0dg1ven 6 months ago
@g0dg1ven
I've been here now for 3 weeks visiting on business and I walk the streets, day and night and feel very safe.
Pparker99 6 months ago
@g0dg1ven thank you for the respond on my comment. It sure does have a very romatic view. I do like ukrain in its whole. The people are very friendly, do seem to enjoy live and most are very tolerant for other people who comes and visit there. We all know, reality is an illusive mind-trick an we led into the mere looks of the economy that makes us want to believe the beauty rather then show its real face. However I do understand the romance for ones dreams as well. I do have myself :)
michelb08 6 months ago