Gary DeMar - Why is 666 the "Number of the Beast"?

[DrStevenz]

I just don't agree with the early date for the book of Revelation but I respect those that say it comes from the 60s AD.

[otnt66]

The number 666 represents the Roman Papal System in prophecy. The position of Pope being the very centre. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. Indeed a large part of our entire history has been dominated directly and indirectly by this power, from which it receives from Satan himself. Just one of the many titles given to the Pope, Vicarius Fili Dei , when calculated in Greek,Latin and Hebrew totals 666. There are many other verifiable evidences leaving no one in doubt!

[TheJwfarquhar]

The relevant solution is that the beast who is marked 666 is all mankind and it is relevant to the Bible--not the world. The challenge is to calculate the number, which is 666. The 1st calc is in Genesis I, when the count for evening, morning, and day was 666. Mankind was created in this image on the 6th day. Therefore all mankind is marked with a 666. There also 3 other calcs in the Bible for 666. Look up bible mathematics in youtube and you will see the title, "The 666 Mark of the Beast.avi.

[YOURPENGUY]

What if your SS# starts Six Hundred Sixty-Six then the last four happens to total 16? Chances of that plus my random assigned Federal ID number ends 666 for my small biz? As a joking atheist I named the beast and counted the number of his name a 10^100 when I saw Picasso FR using mouse in right hand THEN on Christmas Eve in a dream my beloved Angel was being eaten by feathered snake HE SAID It is OK She Is Part of The Tree of Life. I woke up ran out back with witnessed Turkey Vultures REAL!!!!!

[judgerutherford]

666 in the book of revelation means that no matter how hard men try to bring about peace will never succeed,the number 6 is an imperfect number,man is imperfect, as you notice this 666 is a mans number, as it says 666 tio emphasize mans imperfection and its chaces of succeeding in its quest for what it strives to do will fail and god is telling you this fact by raising it to the third degree, when you mean something you say it three times like this NO NO NO,or YES YES YES, man will never succeed

[mpenaco]

The prophecy about the beast and his number 666 pertains to that generation when this prophecy was revealed to John. The prophecy makes perfect sense when viewed this way as opposed to interpreting it as a future event. The prophecy was a judgment on the nation Israel for killing the prophets and the Son of God, and a vindication for the christians who held on to the end of that great tribulation. The presence of the temple, the 7 hills of Rome and 7 kings remarkably fit the detail of prophecy

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[techovski]

6-6-6 is not a person, it's > "worshiping of money", it's so obvious, think about it !

[Saiaton]

There is another possibility. I have seen it written in Greek with letters as numeral Khi=600, Ksi=60, Digamma/Stau/Final-sigma=6 and the word 'Arithmos' means 'Reckoning', 'Code' as much as it does 'Number'. Abbreviations are commonly first and last letter or first two letters and last (the last usually Sigma - C) XC in this case won't do because it stands for XRICTOC - Khristos. But Khi-Ksi-Stau means nothing.

616 is Khi-Iota-Stau. That could stand for a word. I can only find Kaimeros, Goat.

[SamyJnr]

To Mouhdie

Your name sounds more middle eastern???

WHen muslims hear the name of Jesus and his mother Mary they say "on them be peace" What do the jews say?

He is their revered prophet. Ever noticed how muslim women dress like Mary?

You need to do some serious reading with an open MIND.

[mouhdie]

[Hi Mr. Demar, Sorry for the question, Are you moslem? You have Middle Eastern name and figure]

Many moslim scholars are trying to mingle Nero in revelation prophecy to eliminate doubt about islam and mohamed. But history shows for the past 1500 years, moslems are killing the follower of Christ, Christians and Jews. Jews follow Christ as well. When Jesus return showing his crucifixion marks on his body, the Jews will repent, NOT the moslems.

[bluesbeats]

you dont know what you are talking about do you. do you really think god is gonna would banish good muslims to hell because of words thats were written thousands of years ago. Its says god is all knowing all wise , well a wise man would say no because it has been so long , and the wise man knows that there are alot of decevers that came and went , and the wise man knows that humans are imperfect. if god would banish my mom to hell then he is no god. she gives to the poor , etc

[callingheyzeus]

The difference is between how we define or measure "good" and how God defines and measures good.

If I kill someone and go before a judge, telling him about all the good things I did and all the people I did not kill will not make me innocent. In fact it would only make me look unconcerned about my crime. Jesus teaches if I don't forgive even my enemies then it is the same as breaking the command "Do Not Murder" and I am guilty of breaking ALL of the Law.

Only God is good. I am not.

[Boethius51250]

Demar is actually from German origins, not Middle Eastern (not sure where you got the idea from). He is a Christian scholar, not a Muslim.

[mouhdie]

At the time of the vision, the temple wasnt destroyed, BUT the prophecy was issued for the future, NOT for that era.

There are many beasts but the major one is the 666, First John chapter 2 and chapter 4 mentions that the antichrist was during their time also. The apostle Paul was one of the antichrist. So where do you place Nero and Islam??? If you deny Islam as the antichrist, there would be a problem in your answer.

[mouhdie]

If the beast 666 is Nero, where do you place islam and mohamed in this prophecy and in modern days. moslems are using the word that counts to 666 on their foreheads and arms and as flags during envisions and killing Christians and Jews.

Islam is the religion that the book of revelation is talking about. Log to my channel [mouhdie] and watch the video 666 and the chart. The arabic word that islam use count to 666.

[REVtalk1]

666 is most likely a reference to Solomon..he received 666 talents of gold per year (in addition to a portion of the trade of all the merchants..ie- an income tax)...also could be modern day reference to FDR's gold decree and the subsequent Social security number which we all need to "buy and sell"

[jcr4runner]

I'll tell you what. I am a participant on the Textual Criticism Group on Yahoo. It has Dan Wallace and Bart Ehrman and a number of other top scholars.

The Wikipedia article which you cut and pasted here gives the impression that most scholars now think 616 is more reliable. I'll put it to the panel of experts to ask them.

[Tomahax08]

follow god before the sixth seal opens we are in the 5th currently

[UKJack67]

All that work! Shame it's the wrong number really.

[jcr4runner]

616 was the variant of the original 666.

It's not the "wrong number."

[UKJack67]

666 is the variant of the original 616 actually. As with most of the new teatament it has been 'interpreted' either for political reasons of the time or aesthetics.

[jcr4runner]

What do you base this on? The church father Irenaeus commented on the variation in the second century saying 616 was a variation of 666.

The explanation that the LATIN spelling of Nero adds up to 616 means that the variation came later, since John was writing to a Greek speaking area of the world -- Asia Minor -- and would have used the Aramaic cognate spelled out in Greek -- not the Latin cognate.

Where is your documentary evidence that the opposite is true?

[jcr4runner]

The early Church father Irenaeus knew several occurrences of the 616-variant but regarded them as a scribal error and affirmed that the number 666 is "found in all the most approved and ancient copies and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony."

- Irenaeus. "Book V, Chapter XXX." Adversus Haereses.

[UKJack67]

In May 2005, it was reported that scholars at Oxford University had been able to read previously illegible portions of the earliest known record of the Book of Revelation from the Oxyrhynchus site, P115. This gives the No. as 616. The Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus has it written: hexakosiai deka hex (616).

P115 aligns with Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus which are generally regarded as providing the best testimony to Revelation. Thus, P115 has superior testimony to that of P47.

[jcr4runner]

Both p115 and p47 are from about the same time (c 275). They are likely copies of copies of the manuscripts Irenaeus is referring to.

A few scholars now think p115 is more reliable than p47 -- but not most.

It does not follow though that the more reliable manuscript automatically has one correct variant.

In addition, Irenaeus testimony a century earlier (c. 180) cannot be dismissed out of hand.

It's an interesting controversy although it has little to do with the point of the video!

[MForys]

yeah, as fun as that is, the numbers 666 are only relevant if they are used in this way but NOT within a modern language, but instead the language being used by the writer/predictor/writer of it... which is Hebrew or Greek, correct?

[jcr4runner]

A code for English speakers only?

[pubfun]

lol, that guy failed hard. Its so arrogant to assume that that number would refer to English language or mathematics.

[zigzag1239]

666 is the number of a MAN......Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[ashemone]

thats me i calculated it count the repeated words in the new world translation of the holy scriptures

[blackboyboy17]

"VICARIUS FILII DEI =  666" (VATICAN)

[norealname0]

you people are ALL morons . if ignorance is bliss then you are ALL orgasmic. whta does the book say that you wont buy anything without the mark (money) in your hand or the number ( of you checking account ) in your head. thats right fools check out first kings in the old testament chapter ten verse 14 666 fools is the number of GOLD that the queen of sheba sent to SOLOMON in a year for his wisdom thtas right honeys GOLD . thats whats it means morons thats it get it get over it

[keithcaulley]

Here is Where the three six's com from first six is the day god created man man's number is six, you can find that in Genesis Chapter 1

vers22, and 31 where did the other two six's come from ? if you look in daniel chapter three vers,1 your see Nebuchadnezzar makes an image that is threescore which is 60 and breadth six now remember the image is of man who was created the six day of the week

[voiceofthevictims]

666 is the massive full gathering of demons Lucifer himself, is now walking your earth. Because of reasoning that no human mind could understand, Lucifer has retained power next to the power of the Eternal Father in the Trinity. Know then how great is his power in these latter days. His mission upon earth now is to fight the Kingdom of Heaven and to destroy any chance for a soul to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He is upon earth now, Lucifer, to claim his own." - Our Lady, June 10, 1978

[handydude6]

Irenaeus said, when the Roman empire splits into 10, then the little horn power will appear and take control. He said to wait until then to fit the number 666. By 478 ad the Roman Empire had fallen, and 10 nations with kings had been put in place. Within a few years 3 had fallen, and in 538 ad, the Pope was declared head of the Western Empire, by the Emperor in Constantanople. Now then the Popes have declared themselves to be Rulers over all of the earth in all Spiritual and Temporal matters.

[jcr4runner]

No, in fact Irenaeus doesn't comment on the book of Daniel anywhere in his writings -- not as far as I can see.

You may be thinking of Hippolytus.

Can you provide a citation?

[handydude6]

Irenaeus does in; Against all Heresies book 5 chapt 30 sec 3.

[jcr4runner]

There is no reference to the book of Daniel in this passage. One could argue though that the book of Revelation is similar to Daniel here. But he references only Revelation.

Granted Irenaeus was looking for a future antichrist figure, but the idea that this was fulfilled by the pope doesn't come from Irenaeus.

[jakstr01]

Irenaeus also said Christ was 50 years old when He died on the Cross...What does the Bible say?

[jcr4runner]

You could interpret that long sentence in Greek with no punctuation as saying that Jesus had the wisdom of a 50 year old man. Irenaeus is alluding to the fact that the Pharisees said Jesus was not yet 50 years old when they doubted His wisdom and claims to authority.

[jcr4runner]

Irenaeus refuted the Gnostics who taught that Jesus was baptized in his 30th year and preached for only one year. There are 30 Aeons in Gnosticism and they sought to prove Jesus attained wisdom in his 30th year.

Irenaeus is using the Gnostics' logic against them quoting the Pharisees "You are not yet in your 50th year!" Irenaeus thought Jesus must have been much older than 30.

"I have shown that the number thirty fails them in every respect"- Against Heresies 2.22.1

[handydude6]

In Rev 1:9 (John says that he is on the Isle of Patmos). John was sent to Patmos, because he wouldn't die, after being boiled in oil. He was old then. Just before he died. The temple described in Chapt 11 is a heavenly vision, and the people are being measured for their obedience to the Law. So Nero had been dead for 30 years. Iraneus a follower of John, said that John told him that the 666 means "Latin Man" in Greek. In Daniel 2, Rome is identified as ruling the world until the end of time.

[jcr4runner]

No, Ireneaus said nothing of the sort.

Ireneaus never knew John. He is relating what he heard from Polycarp, who never commented on this. Ireneaus is saying that if John knew the identity of the beast, he didn't say -- although "HE was seen almost in our day even in the days of Domitian."

Some have interpreted it to mean that the Revelation was seen "in the days of Domitian" -- although the context surely points to HE (John) not the book of Revelation.

[jcr4runner]

... they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while...

We have to interpret "one is" as being a king who was alive when John saw the vision.

It could only be Nero, Vespasian or Domitian.

Nero fits the description of the Beast in other places most closely however.

[PeteWaldo]

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

66619. org

[PeteWaldo]

And "the" "Antichrist" was Nero, perhaps over and done with, even as we find 1.5 billion antichrists in Islam. 1/4 of mankind.

If a Muslim confesses the Son of God he commits the only unpardonable sin in Islam (shirk).

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

Part of the church thinks the false prophet was first century, and part, of the future.

[slambeau]

BTW, the belief in three beings in one God is not shirk. I wish Muslims would take the time to look at the whole of the Bible and not just listen to your own uninformed apologists who seek self-promotion amongst other Muslims. If Christians treated the Quran as badly as you do the Bible in interpretation etc. you would cry out in indignation.

[PeteWaldo]

It was torn down. But wasn't the temple rendered desolate long before 70AD?

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Jhn 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Did Jesus rebuild the temple in 3 days or not? When?

You seem to suggest that there were two covenants, still recognized by God, by suggesting that the temple wasn't rendered desolate by Jesus shed blood.

[slambeau]

Jesus was referring to his own body (the temple) which was resurrected in three days. The temple and sacrifices were a shadow of Jesus (Lord) so that the Jews could understand the concept of Jesus taking on the sins of those who believe in Him and providing reconciliation with God the Father.

[mooglecharmed]

ABSOLUTELY SPOT-ON. THIS VIDEO DESERVES MAJOR RECOGNITION FOR STICKING TO THE F-A-C-T-S!!!!! Kudos!

[sxkrause]

I prayed about the meaning of "666" because I was reallly strugling with the "end times" and "THE antichrist" and a few other things. I randomly found on the internet the next day the meaning of 666 wich Garry Demar is talking about in this. God answered my prayer and knowing this truly set me free of this fear mentality I had! Thanks for posting this! Great Stuff!!!

[willywonkaisagirl]

Great stuff Jay! Thanks for posting this.

[ajpmathwiz]

The book of Revelation was written in AD 95, 25 years after the destruction of the Jewish temple.

[folkandfaith]

ajpmathwiz - you obviously subscribe to some late writing for Revelation, which just isn't so. The video is absolutely correct on its view of 666, judeos simply can't grasp this concept.

[biggbaddjohn]

Yeah, that is the big question. I have heard it both ways. The one thing that common sense tells me is that John would have been tremendously old in AD95. that's one reason i think pre ad70 might be right.

I do not know for sure though, could someone help me out here :-)

[workingclasstheist]

Why does chapter 11 say "measure the temple"?

[jcr4runner]

Because it was still standing when John wrote this.

[workingclasstheist]

Exactly! My response was for ajpmathwiz. I'm reading the book "Before Jerusalem Fell"..it's pretty good.

[harpcat]

Thanks for posting these jcr4runner...GREAT STUFF!!

[tempusfugit68]

Nobody believes this guy. Even the unsaved. The mark of the beast is the NUMBER of his name.

Anything but believe the plain English.

[punktakesnoprisoners]

have you read the mans books?, he takes todays events and matches them with the revalation, and its all coming to play like lindsey stated, he is a smart man, you are just afraid that the end is near, which it is, you need to pick up a book and read every once in a while. the revalation was a forseeing of the future, no one from back THEN could interpret what went on in the future, the technology is too great to interpret 2000 years in the future.

[LadyGreenEyes964]

If you buy this then you must believe that Jesus already came back ages ago, and we are all here for nothing. That simply doesn't work. There are too many reasons for this to get into in the space allowed.

[jcr4runner]

No, it doesn't follow.

If prophecy is fulfilled in the first century it does not flow that ALL prophecy is already fulfilled.

Jesus will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

[LadyGreenEyes964]

The Antichrist is supposed to come in the end times, not far in the past. He is supposed to come shortly after Israel once becomes a nation again (happened quite recently), and when the nations of the world are gathered into ten large organizations. None of this has happened yet.

[jcr4runner]

Watch my series, The Beast of Revelation: Identified, here on YOUTUBE.

The New Testament NOWHERE says that Israel is going to become a nation again.

The NT nowhere defines the ten horns of the Beast as "ten large organizations."

Revelation specifically says that the seven heads of the Beast are "seven kings."

John writes, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS ..."

Nero was the sixth Emperor.

He is speaking in the present tense of "THINGS THAT MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS."

[LadyGreenEyes964]

I have watched, and read, and studied a TON of material on the end times and the Antichrist, and a past Antichrist simply doesn't fit with anything I have read, looking at the Bible alone. Give me a little time, and I can get some material together for this, but very busy.

[jcr4runner]

Why don't you watch "The Beast of Revelation: Identified" series on my YouTube channel?

It would cover the vast majority of questions you might have.

I cut my teeth on Hal Lindsey at age 13, but I've been studying the postmillennial and preterist view since I was 27 -- I am now 46.

If this doesn't "fit" with anything you have read, I suggest that you read some other material. The "Beast" video series is a good primer prior to doing that.

[LadyGreenEyes964]

I don't have questions. I have a very clear picture of the end times, the Antichrist, etc. I have also been interested in this for quite a few years (not a kid here, either). I simply don't buy this idea.

[jcr4runner]

So you are completley familiar with the preterst view? You've read the books by Chiltona and Gentry? You've been studying all the various views on Revelation for years? And so on.

I am sorry if I had the opposite impression.

[LadyGreenEyes964]

I have seen and heard about practically every view there is on the subject. It's certainly a topic that is much discussed among Christians, and has been for a long time. I can even remember hearing various opinions as a child, with various ideas on the subject. The one I believe is the most Biblical is the same as that held by LaHaye and others. Not because any person supports that idea, but because that is what studying the Bible, and listening to the Spirit, has shown me is the truth.

[GentlemanVillain]

The Book of Revelation describes an army coming from the East to destroy Jerusalem. The armies of Rome came from the West.

[jcr4runner]

The Roman armies attacked Palestine by land from the north.

Revelation 16 does not say that they attacked from the east. It says the king were from the east.

"Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared."

We need to decide what this means:

1. They attacked from the east;

- or -

2. They were kings from the east who attacked from the north.

[jcr4runner]

The Euphrates River was the boundary between Israel and the pagan nations. It was both the northern and eastern frontier.

The coming of the armies from the Euphrates "surely represents nothing but the return of Titus to besiege Jerusalem with further reinforcements" (Phillip Barrington.

This occurred after Cestius' retreat. It is certainly more than coincidental that thousands of these very troops actually did come from the Euphrates.

[jcr4runner]

So literally, the coming of the armies from the Euphrates "surely represents nothing but the return of Titus to besiege Jerusalem with further reinforcements and it is certainly more than coincidence that thousands of these very troops actually did come from the Euphrates."

They came from countries of the east under the authority of the Roman General Titus. Yes, they were kings of the east but they were under the control of Rome.

[GentlemanVillain]

What about Revelation 9:16 "The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million. I heard the number of them." Did the Romans have 200 million soldiers to attack Israel?

[jcr4runner]

"And the number of the armies of the horsemen was myriads of myriads; I heard the number of them."

It doesn't say 200 million in Greek.

δισ μυριάδες μυριάδων -- dis myriades myriadon

Some translations are too literal in translating it as 2 * 1000 * 1000 = "200 million."

But it doesn't mean anything like that.

The term simply means many thousands.

[jcr4runner]

It is taken from Psalm 68:17, which reads: "The chariots of God are double myriads, thousands of thousands."

But does God have exactly 200 million chariots? No, it's hyperbole.

δισ μυριάδες μυριάδων -- dis myriades myriadon

A "double myriad of myriads" is an expression used to mean a huge incalculable number.

In fact, there was no such number as a "million" in any language in the first century.

Just use common sense here. No army has ever had or will ever have 200 million horsemen.

[jcr4runner]

I know that Hal Lindsey theorized that China could raise an army of 200 million horsemen.

I read The Late Great Planet Earth when I was 13.

But I've grown up since then.

"Two myriads of myriads" DOESN'T mean what we think it means today according to what we see and read in the news.

"Two myriads of myriads" means what John thought it meant.

John was quoting Psalm 68:17; so whatever Psalm 68:17 means, that is what John also means.

[Terri3210]

Matthew 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

[mfblume2]

Great stuff!