AMD Demonstrates the World's First Fusion APU

[RedClownKnight]

Vista, vista, vista, IE6 this, IE6 that.

But what about Linux drivers??

[kjah11]

does anybody know if this processor will run Linux mint 12 whiteout any drawback?

[TheRogueMonk]

will this be possible to add to your own mb or do you have to buy a new one?

will this improve gaming ? or no

[sTeevYx1]

my dual core amd athlon 3.2 ghz does the browser flip thing on 60fps in 9 seconds lol its sof ast GO AMD

[linuxguy2009]

6 frames per second in IE sounds about right. I'm in Debian 6 and using Chrome and getting 60. So whats the hype about? Firefox is getting the same FPS. Epiphany is getting slow FPS like 12fps but its not a wide used browser. So basically this technology is a bunch of bullshit to make up for slow outdated Internet Explorer.

[TheVanGastel]

@linuxguy2009 i dont want to sound like a troll but you miss out the point for sure. you have not lissen or you are just a dumb nutt is not that bad but he belive what you like to belive.

[linuxguy2009]

@TheVanGastel Either way Intel needs to die along with microsoft.

[RalphCQ]

the APU will have to use local memory for both CPU and GPU, won't it? Isn't DDR3 memory much slower than GDDR5/6?

[TheVanGastel]

@RalphCQ the GDDR 5 is almost the same like DDR3 however the GDDR 5 speaks diffrend to the i/o poorts in other word the GDDR 5 is or have a small bus speed 256 and the DDR3 got a 512bus. Whats faster is that the GDDR 5 is little bit faster. On a vga card. But on a mainboard because of the smaller bus the DDR3 is faster. So i think its the same.

[RalphCQ]

@TheVanGastel Thanks!

[imtihanahmed]

I like how this dude is talking about "graphics capabilities" in general and nothing specific to the Fusion APU benefits. The way he is saying it, anyone with a good processor and graphics card would be able to do this. *Marketing ploy revealed :D

[tomasecaram]

emm. those tests look a lot better in Chrome (and im using an Intel CPU)

[SATANECRONOMICUS]

HAHA..this guy obviously hates public speaking....

[Krautmaster86]

well, my 370€ subnotebook with a 2x1,2 ghz SU2300 and oldschool x4500 Intel gma can do this fluenty too on full hd :D i dont need 400 Shaders 4 that shit.

[feroz1212011]

Simply awesome!

[coolaidkiller101]

yeah ! amd if i were bill gates you'd be the first company id fund to kick intels ass and put amd fans out of misery,offcourse intel fans dont need to worry(they have fat wallets)

[tulp35000]

Lol.. this must b scaring the sht out of Gpu companies.. What if AMD who bought ATI (so ati isnt scared lol) Makes a fusion capable enough to rival latest non fused gpus.

Long show but.. in about 5 years i suppose they will be powerfull enough to challenge 3 year old gpus.

[xDaveeedo]

This is only good for laptops and mobile devices. Who uses integrated graphics on a desktop?

[santamario99]

@xDaveeedo use built in to help if your GPU isn't good anoth...

[madmax10101]

amd rlz!

[BedRoomGangster]

I LOVE ADM.

[rawBot1]

6 people are struggling with Intel GMA graphics.

[starkestal]

HOLY SHAT! IT CAN BROWSE THE INTURDNETS AND PLAY WITH ICONS! That's it, im selling my NVDA stocks!

XD

[DJTEVAdotCOM]

the CPU performance is close to a core i3. This is still the best thing out there. It sucks alot of company like SONY and retailers jack their laptop price up though the chip is cheap to produce.

[leerman22]

but can it play crisis?

[ThinkurGodly]

You don't sound very excited...

[AntDX316]

IE 9 still has serious lag when you start clicking load more to see 2000+ videos on youtube. Mozilla Firefox doesn't suffer from that lag though.. I still get lower FPS in Mozilla on Flying Images but it seems when a page is seriously loaded like youtube Mozilla is still faster...

[AntDX316]

I reinstalled my Windows 7 x64 Ultimate.. oh I think it's because I installed Windows 7 SP1.  : P

[AntDX316]

60 FPS on IE 9 in Browser Flip. I had IE 9 before but it wasn't fast.. it was slow, perhaps it was the early beta I couldn't update to the latest one because no windows updates showed.

[AntDX316]

Even with 256 Images.  :D

[AntDX316]

Nvm lol I was doin test in IE 8, I get 60 FPS with 100 images in IE 9 on my PC. :D

[AntDX316]

33 FPS with 100 images on the same PC with Mozilla I only get 14 FPS. On IE I get 5 FPS. What? Their AMD fusion is better than my PC? I even thought it was because of higher res so I dropped it to 1280x768 but I still dropped to like 26 FPS. I thought it was because I of my enabled enhancements in Catalyst Control Panel but after disabling the FPS was the same. Honestly this setup is faster than my high end setup for web browsing? wow

[AntDX316]

6.26s

[AntDX316]

8.62s 60 FPS on Mozilla. I can get a lower number but I need to practice.

[AntDX316]

got 6 FPS lowest in IE with a 2600k 5.1GHz 5970. With the Same PC I got 60 FPS minimum on Mozilla Firefox.

[mmar4281990]

i get 60fps with google chrome and 5 with internet explore lol ie fail

[mmar4281990]

i get 60fps lol

[mnmosh2008]

Kill intel plzzz !!!

[ItsReal2000]

@mnmosh2008

go and kill yourself amd fan boy!!

INTEL!!!!!!!!!

[Troupe426]

@ItsReal2000 no fanboy about it, AMD just has better gpu's

[santamario99]

@ItsReal2000 go and kill yourself intel fanboy!!

AMD!!!!!!!!!!!

[XxXPenrdXxX]

@ItsReal2000 if you love intel that much go play starcraft 2 on intel integrated graphics you have to admit that, and I have a i7 2600 and integrated graphics still stink and hogs up more watts than my minipc in SCII(both are unplayble frame rates tho amd having 32 fps and intel 16 both are max fps)

But i have to admit the apu is a few degrees higher than the intel I guess thats because of the dam amd heatsink they never change

[ItsReal2000]

@XxXPenrdXxX

I talk about CPUs. i know intel integrated graphics sucks :D

[XxXPenrdXxX]

@ItsReal2000 but still I cant make a small intel pc without a graphics card and the intel integrated graphics has a hard time playing games from miniclip

[TheVanGastel]

@mnmosh2008 if the kill intel the prices will be so high you dont want to know (and we got like now the duron cpu cost price 2000 euro standerd). No let them combat so we get the low prices and the bennefit of it got that kid? good thats marketing.

[rustedkatana]

Performance like this in a $400 netbook? BITCHIN.

Business users do have a need for this because they also go online and have to deal with whatever stupid marketing fluff, Flash intros, ads, etc. All that stuff slows down the browser, and here AMD is showing how Fusion actually fixes that problem.

I am impressed

[asusp3v4x]

APU is GPU and CPU together... so I think that is why he calls the graphical part of the APU as GPU

[chocolatebadger3]

Talk, breathe, talk. Hey I think this guy has athsma xD

[OGRMaster]

Well this answear ultimate question! Is AMD CPU is fast no is not! AMD is still relying on gpu instead. I was wating for these new cpus for a long time. AMD is with its old market strategy and talking about mutlimedia power. I want some productivity power and this only cpu can deliver.

[mhaneline]

What a sham. This does nothing to advance computer technology. It's just a ploy to capture more marketshare by AMD. They're targeting mainstream web browsing people and businesses. The problem is, every major motherboard manufacturer already makes motherboards with built in graphics.

News Flash: most businesses don't care about a bunch of spinning .jpgs on a browser.

fail.

[cdt19404]

@mhaneline That's not true. AMD's Fusion processors integrate processor and GPU into a single die that's even smaller than current multi core processor platforms. This allows more powerful and more complex computing solutions into smaller form factors without taking a decrease in power like we do in current mobile computing platforms. Desktops are far more powerful than laptops and laptops more powerful than netbooks. This doesn't have to be so with AMD's Fusion APUs.

[mhaneline]

@cdt19404 You need to re-read my comment.

[justmymage]

Where have i seen this guy before???

[MrShadowz1337]

rick "gay"le

[altu892]

Long time ago.... there is only CPU,

Later, people invented something call gpu,

Now... CPU and gpu come back to 1 thing ..... wtf

[ZiggyC743]

you don't need a fusion core to do what he did......i can run that just as well on my su4100.....

[Anandaxp]

AMD ...make your drivers open source.....please

[tozers20]

#1 question: is APU will also increase the performance of integrated graphics or discrete card too? like APU+discrete

#question2: if you answer no then AMD SUCKS.

[zlayzer]

@tozers20 It will probably depend on what GPU the APU you got is using and what GPU your discrete has.

[Freshed2QY]

AMD FTW!

[jithendraVS]

AMD Is real good but i would like them to make

motherboards.

[wispa1a]

Best thing these guys did was obtian ATI.

What a goal the red team have acheaved

[vh2k]

Thanks AMD!

[UACDOOM]

AMD FTW

[helmet98]

1:51-2:10 look like foward in the video lol

[kallube1]

Is this video comparing processors or browsers? .. it should be comparing fusion vs non-fusion CPU's rather than IE8vsIE9..

[MzS7]

kwik e mart

[naka538]

go AMD!

[aussiebear22]

Which Fusion APU is this being demo'ed?...I hear AMD is releasing two solutions: One is codenamed "Ontario" (supposed to go up against Intel Atom), and the other is "Llano" (supposed to replace the current Athlon II line.)

[BlakStrakt]

@aussiebear22 the "Ontario" has been released as the Bobcat, and the "Llano" core will be called Bulldozer. They are incredibly powerful. Check Endgadget(.)com to see a Bobcat APU beating down on a poor Intel Core i5 with Intel graphics. In the demo game, Intel never goes above25fps, and averages around 19. The AMD APU, however, never dips below 28fps and averages around 40.

[BlakStrakt]

@aussiebear22 the "Ontario" has been released as the Bobcat, and the "Llano" core will be called Bulldozer. They are incredibly powerful. Check Endgadget(.)com to see a Bobcat APU beating down on a poor Intel Core i5 with Intel graphics. In the demo game, Intel never goes above25fps, and averages around 19. The AMD APU, however, never dips below 28fps and averages around 40. That was the netbook variant, so you can see how effective these cores are.

[cagadaman]

@BlakStrakt

You are correct about Ontario being based off of the Bobcat core, but Llano is actually a modified Phenom II core (K10.5 architecture) with a Cedar class DX11 GPU. Bulldozer is an entirely new architecture designed to compete with Intel's upcoming Sandy Bridge. The first iterations of Bulldozer will be a standalone CPU with later versions being made into an APU.

[BlakStrakt]

@cagadaman hmm, thats dissapointing. AMD should hit the ground running with theBulldozer APUs. the Phemon x6 black edition is ample power for today, and tomorrow. a quick question: the cedar class DX11 GPU, what ATI card is its performance comparable to?

[cagadaman]

@BlakStrakt

I agree completely. AMD needs something out on the market that can compete with Sandy Bridge (or Nehalem even) not only in price, but more importantly, in performance. Hopefully Bulldozer is up to the task and won't be a flop like Barcelona was. To answer your question, the Cedar class GPU is anything in the Radeon 5000 series. AMD hasn't announced the specifics as to which exact models from the series they'll be using in their APU's, but expect enough for low-mid end gaming.

[aussiebear22]

@BlakStrakt...I think it went like this.

Mid-2006: AMD buys ATI.

Mid-2007: AMD "Falcon" series (APUs: Bulldozer-based 10W to 100W; and Bobcat-based 1W to 10W.)

End of 2007: AMD "Swift" (Bulldozer core replaced by K10-based...Bulldozer V1 failed.)

End of 2008: AMD changes roadmap. Far less aggressive than the original "Falcon" approach. "Swift" is scrapped due to extremely poor yields.

[aussiebear22]

@BlakStrakt The GPU-based IGP in Llano is approx a Radeon HD 55xx/56xx class. The GPU in the Bobcat-based "Zacate" is approx a Radeon HD 54xx class.

Essentially, AMD will bring budget and mainstream GPU performance into a CPU! They will leave the upper end (Radeon HD 57xx and greater) as discrete video cards.

[BlakStrakt]

@aussiebear22 How will the upper-end GPU work very well as a discrete card? Also, will there be any motherboards that can take advantage of an APU AND a PCIE slot-type GPU card simultaneously? Or is that just superfluous?

[aussiebear22]

@BlakStrakt

Ontario/Zacate or Radeon HD 54xx => Budget market.

Llano or Radeon HD55xx/56xx = Lower-mainstream market.

Radeon HD 57xx = Upper-mainstream market.

Radeon HD 58xx/59xx = Performance/Enthusiast market.

As for your 2nd question, we don't know until AMD provides more details on drivers. (In an APU the entire northbridge+GPU is now on-die with the processor cores. They only need a southbridge chip. Llano/Ontario/Zacate will use the same "Hudson" series southbridge chipset.)

[BlakStrakt]

@aussiebear22 No, I understand the models just fine. My question is how can you get good performance form a discrete card?

[aussiebear22]

@BlakStrakt Bobcat cores are used in both "Ontario" (9W TDP) and "Zacate" (18W TDP)...AMD has recently demo'ed a prototype platform based on "Zacate". The initial numbers against the Intel notebook were actually with OEM drivers. Anandtech(.)com was allowed to correct it by "force installing" the latest Intel drivers. (AMD allowed this!) ... Even when the Intel solution matched the AMD one, it showed that "Zacate" was able to offer equal experience compared to the more expensive Intel solution.

[samrijijkot]

@aussiebear22 well, Zacate did even (clearly) beat the i5 when it came to frames per second on Arkham Asylum and Alien vs Predator. now keep in mind that Zacate uses the low-power Bobcat architechture. and with Llano using (probably quad-core) Phenom I would not call it lower-mainstream...

[scrambler77]

AMD re-sucks. :)

[Chexsum]

Should have called it HOMER - hes way cooler than Apu

[Doddmond]

It's all good, apart from their chronic inability to make half-decent ATI Linux drivers.

[1littlelee]

this is where AMD is gonna break away because until intel and nvidia kiss and make up AMD is in this market oin thier own!

[waynelizzievideo]

The test they were running was CPU on versus APU, not CPU+GPU vs APU.

When I run the test on browser flip or flying or flying images, my Radeon 4870 percentage usage jumps up if I move the mouse rapidly or increase the number of image. Of course your discrete CPU+GPU is going to beat this. Some of you missed the point

[hitmanmoneyk]

Their just showing you that amd processor and amd gpu can work together. He not trying to prove if amd and intel is better

[Ian7570]

I'm a tech idiot. I'm running on an intel pentium T3400 dual core processor and get better performance than this. Why is this supposed to be impressive?

[hootis8]

@Ian7570 teh gpu is on the cpu

[scrambler77]

No way... AMD sucks...

[LFCforEver12341]

@scrambler77 thats the most ignorant thing ive ever heard.

[scrambler77]

@LFCforEver12341 I love the truth... even if ignorant. ;)

[LFCforEver12341]

@scrambler77 but amd doesnt suck you idiot, intel at the moment is for high end , but amd has better value and alot more future proof for intel for low, and mid end market, and med-high end market. amd are going to continue to use thier am3 socket for bulldozer,its going to have up to 16 cores, intel are shitting themselves right now, FACT. amd are going to dominate the market share this time because thier staying on the same socket, what you see ion this video is a shitty apu for laptops.Idiot

[scrambler77]

@LFCforEver12341 I'm an idiot... but this does not change reality: AMD still sucks loosers like you! ;)

[N00bGeek95]

@scrambler77 stupid fanboy

[scrambler77]

@N00bGeek95 8===========>

[shadanzar]

same plateforme tryed browser flip

3-4  fps with chrome

25 fps with firefox

55-60fps with safari

so get yourself an opera 10.60 problem solved.

[shadanzar]

i made this test using opera 10.60 on a core i5 750@ 2,56GHz with ATI 5670 and 4Go DDR3 1333 MHZ. I got 60 FPS and turned all the tiles in 8 secondes...

My computer is already faster than fusion...using opera

At first this video impressed me but then i made the teste and was amazed to get better results

[LFCforEver12341]

@shadanzar but you used opera.. lol and for a gpu in a cpu thats incredible.

[QUINTIX256]

QSo, these demos are not compiling ECMAscript to run on a parallel superscalar architecture... and the APU is not an extension of 3DNow/SSE that AMD created in the first place...

The hardware blitter on the nintendo 64 can do that browser flip demo just as easily. We all know that a hardware blitter is better than a software blitter.

AMD, I am disappoint.

[Joshua01404]

I Got 45 FPS by 256 Images on Flying Images :D

[Joshua01404]

I got 12 FPS on chrome and 60 on Explorer 9

[sotokorro]

na its a amd athlon II phenom x4, why would i need an APU when i got a quad core. How about gpu with integrated apu

[Feircejaguar]

@sotokorro An APU is (CPU+GPU) so how can you have a GPU+APU? Also, think about power consumption, your X4 plus your discreet graphics card use much more power than the Fusion APU. Also, the Fusion chip demonstrated, is aimed at Laptops, not desktops...

[Jackcabbit]

That video didn't say ANYTHING about how Fusion is better or even different compared to standalone CPU and GPU. Tell me AMD, why should I get something with Fusion based on that demonstration?

[cjgan80]

Lol'd i got 60Fps max on the 'Browser Flip ' and i got 20 when i did the Flying Images.. :P

[Feircejaguar]

@cjgan80 yes, but you have a discrete GPU thats probably sucking much more power than that APU on its own without even counting the CPU...

[rashmikant20]

kick-ass..The Future is indeed Fusion..

[jack99601]

I got 60fps and i dont have apu either =D

[pajo50]

COOOOL, so if you open Task manager do you see cpu cores+gpu?

[sotokorro]

lol I got 51 fps and i dont have apu

[xBlueXFoxx]

@sotokorro Yes but is your cpu a single core like this APU?

[Feircejaguar]

@xBlueXFoxx Fusion will only come in Quad Core and Dual Core flavors...no single cores...

[RATSHADY]

I have an amd phenom ii x4 955 and an ati 5850 graphics card.these browsers look cool!

[baidas4]

so i must have fusion to make multimedia accelerated, or a discrete video card (like my ATi HD 4890) should do it?

[MegaAssface]

llano, which is the first fusion apu is a phenom 2 cpu, with a 5000 series ati gpu. it is the same cpu he is using, just with or without gpu acceleration. Llano will stay around the same 3. ghz range.

[jordantryon]

will this work well in linux is my only question. AMD better open source these drivers.

[3987Gara]

@jordantryon., AMD is working very closely with Linux especially ever since they decided to support Nokia/Intel's Meego OS.

Go to Google, and input hopen and look at honline's Kernel Log which talks about AMD's Fusion.

[antisteo]

@jordantryon AMD released the APU firmware drivers for the kernel.

I don't know if gallium will work with it right now.

[thieudebeu]

Wij van WC eend, maken de beste schoonmaak artikelen !

[edgeofsins]

Could you let us know the specs of the regular CPU and this Fusion CPU? Either way I think it is a good idea.