No heavyweight ever would beat Tyson in his PRIME Cus di'mato in his corner = unstoppable and of Francis was in his prime he would of killed this dude
again.. im not talking about boxers overall, im talking about young tyson. Most boxers will have big problems with the lowkicks. Especially the Boxers that like to fight from the outside.
Botha lost a lot in k1 but he didn't get finished much (only once i think, to Mo) and showed he was a lot tougher than other boxers who crossed over to K1.
One important thing.Botha is never been huge puncher in boxing.He got up from every kick he had taken in K1.He did not got up from Mike Tyson one punch.
@UsernameAKvsM When he came too k1 he was already shot boxer and overweight,and lost only one time with stoppage vs Mighty Mo.In boxing when he was younger and in shape he lost vs Lewis,Klitschko,Tyson,Moorer with knockout.He goes to distance in k1 with Sefo,Bonjaski twice,Abidi and he win vs Aerst,Le Banner,Kaoklai.
@mitjandjija im no boxing expert but im pretty sure losing against these boxers u named is no shame, he was 33, and not overweight, just got a little stomache with the time, his win against aerts wasnt impressive at all, (injurie), and jerome even outboxed him sometimes, lost due injurie too (i think) and kaoklai is a lightweight... the only boxer who could have been successful in k-1 is tyson, cause of his style, dont know what lexis or klitschko could do better than botha in k-1
@mitjandjija i mean in his debut he was 33, jerome, sefo and mo are just 1 or 2 years younger, and k-1 goes 3 rounds, boxing 12, if k-1 12 too... the possibiliy that botha gets knocked out would be much higher, after 10 rounds full of low kicks,he wont be able to walk anymore or after 3 high kicks or only one by cro cop he probably would be sleeping, same as knees and punches
@UsernameAKvsM I am from cro cop country.Cro cop is good fighter but with glass jaw.In boxing he would no have a chance he cant take a punch.Botha is not heavy puncher but he can drop cro cop with one punch.Botha chance in K1 is much bigger than Cro cop in boxing.
@mitjandjija just a good fighter? cant take a punch? never heard something like that form a croatian... he was a top k-1 fighter, instead of botha he beated aerts, le banner(not due injurie), bonjanski,...etc, and he swichted from k-1 and mma like botha from boxing to k-1... and he became in all mma ranking second best HW in the world!! and a glas jaw?? he got knocked out only 3 times in maybe 70 professionall fights!!!
@TheLostDragon23 the young tyson would walk through the k1 field like a hurricane. They wouldnt been able to defeat themself once he let his ligthning fast combos go. Young Tyson wasnt the Tyson you kids know.
@bimmer666 I don't give a fuck if it was young Tyson. I know how fast and powerful he was when he was young too,. It's not like his archive of fights have vanished. His young days is what he's known for, but due to the fact he doesn't know shit about anything but punching, he would get his legs kicked out and he would get destroyed.
@TheLostDragon23 so u are really that ignorant? you say: the most talented heavyweight boxer of all time would not be able to learn how to take lowkicks? Cmon.... Tyson was a natural talented fighter. He started boxing with 15 and went World champion with 20. Of course it would take him 15 years to lern how to avoid lowkicks.... right ? Stay in the real World little Dragon.
@bimmer666 hahaha, it's been proven time and again under k1 rules that plain boxers without prior training in kickboxing are a fish out of water when it comes to well rounded striking. They eat kick after kick, or low kick, feint high kick, wash, rinse, and repeat. Boxing is an amazing art in of itself, but put a muay thai champion against a boxing champion, the kickboxer will win 9 out of 10. Show me proof of otherwise, and i'll consider it pal.
@TheLostDragon23 u should think about that. Every Boxer that went to K1, MMA or anything, did never been a puncher. There has been some counter boxers like Toney, Mercer and this average brawler in Botha.
A Boxer like young Tyson would be a whole other story. Bonjasky had problems with average Botha. What would he do with young Tyson? Standing at the ropes with him like with botha? He would do that exactly 1 time and the fight is over. Stop dreaming...
@bimmer666 yea we all know young Tyson had possibly the hardest punch on the planet. Anyone with that kind of speed and power has the ability to take anyone out at any time. I really don't think he would make a very successful career in k1 though. Just my opinion, but his style does leave him open to all kinds of long range weapons a kicker has. Not to mention the way he dips. Bonjasky could have a field day with knees and kicks to his face, and I'm sure he would eat plenty.
@TheLostDragon23 Tyson was THE expert to get to the inside without beeing hit. His defence was superb. He has been the most talented heavyweight ever. Thats why i think he would lern the K-1 game very fast. Once he is on the inside, all K-1 fighters would lern by pain, that its not the most intelligent thing trying to hit him with knees. Once there is one Leg in the air, the ballance is gone. They would, like every boxer, try to survive.
@bimmer666 Actually, they'd likely just clinch him, knee, then wait. Then lowkicks... There's a reason kickboxers generally don't do exagerated dodging, bobbing and weaving, and that's because it generally makes you lose. Each time you bob, it's another scoring lowkick you're taking, if your opponent has more than half a brain.
@bimmer666 man you're the one dreaming here, with the "captain america would beat spiderman" stuff, Tyson was awesome, we all know it, Bonjasky is a K-1 megastar, but they belong to different generations, different sports, etc etc, a fight between them wont happen, you can imagine it one way, other guy his own way and so... this argument is almost as stupid as a "who's better: Jordan or Messi, Federer or Usain Bolt..." would be.
@franronin oh yeah.. this isstn cpt. america vs spiderman. We´re talking about a boxer vs a kick/thaiboxer. And if you funny guy would klick the "play" button you would see a boxer vs thaiboxer. But u are right, a fight wont happen. So its nonsens after all.
And if someone wants to know if the Klitschkos would do good in K1, you should do some research....
So which boxing champion in his prime has ever entered the K1?
NONE. Botha was fat, out of his prime and only in it for the fast money because he could not box at the big stages any moore. And he did fine against Bonjasky - a world class kickboxer. Botha in his prime would have finished Bonjasky.
Most Boxers get humiliated in mma or k-1 the only way they can really win in mma is if a mixed martial artist gets cocky and trys to strike with them.. but even garbage mma fighters can beat boxing legends. watch kimbo slice v.s ray mercer.
@SeaOfFate You mean Boxing legends that are way past their prime. It would be good to see MMA's best in each weight division fight against BOXING's best..... make them fight in a boxing ring...... and then make them fight in MMA rules..... My prediction would be ... Boxers would beat every single MMA fighter with boxing rules obviously....... but I wouldn't guarantee MMA fighters winning every MMA fight against the pro boxers.
@canunotg Well, that makes sense, seeing as MMA rules are engineered to favour groundfight-oriented guys and give them better chances.
Allow rabbit punches (the logical countermeasure to anyone grabbing your waist or legs to make you fall down) and you'd see BJJ enthousiasts losing match after match.
Dutch freefight rules are different because of that. No punches to the face while on the ground for instance. Result is you can't win by hiding in the groundfight, and fights are more interesting.
@Blahb27 well MMA includes wrestling,submissions,chokes...how a fighter who relys for exemple on wrestling and submissions , can win without takedowns and controlling the opponent in the ground ? therfor when that happens, it's doesn't mean that the rules favour groundfight-oriented guys, it means that is the opponent who can't defend from wrestling .
Botha is not a huge puncher and he was washed up boxer and still gave Bonjasky problems.Imagine prime Tyson vs Bonjasky.We all know result.And remember Botha didnt get up from Tyson punch
Bonjavsky was not in his best game ever at the time of this fight, but on the rise. Had Tyson in his prime fought Bonjavsky a couple of years ago, I know exactly what the result would have been. Tyson was confident against boxers because he knew what to expect and that's the point that you stupid "Tyson Rules" activists keep missing. I watched Tyson referee one of these fights a few years back; he was clueless! He was paralyzed with confusion. Trust me, he would have been KO'd!!!
@josepablobolanos many boxers have proved time after time they can win at an older age. it really isn't a factor. Just different sports.. sure a boxer can go into k-1 and knock a bunch of people out, but they would not dominate. K-1 made examples out of ray mercer and Botha. but i give these guys credit for coming into an alien sport and trying their best.
@mitjandjija thats not true. Botha is a legend.. Fact is if botha came in during his prime he would have suffered the same. kickboxing is an alien sport to boxers. theirs lots of different elements not present in boxing. A boxer never fully loses their power.. they still remain strong and tough.. If you look at his most recent fight in boxing he had been doing really well against evander holyffield, he was winning the fight pretty deceivingly until he got knocked down.
@SeaOfFate I was looking fight with Holyfield and Holyfield is 47 years old.Are you were wathching second fight between Botha and Bonjasky.Botha was better and Bonjasky flored Botha in last seconds of fight and Botha lost on points.Like Holyfield fight but diferent is that Botha get up from Bonjasky kick.K1 is not that aliensport for boxing.I think boxing is alien for K1.Are you were watching Ray Sefo pro boxing fight.
@mitjandjija I agree with you. I think a lot of kickboxers would have trouble in boxing. but i think some would win fights. look at vitali klitchko for example, one of the best heavyweights of all time. also a former kickboxer. boxing is a one dimensional sport, all you need is your hands. it's still a great sport, but im sick and tired of all these trash talking boxers who insult k-1 and mma. it's not cool. and not one boxer has succeeded in mma or kickboxing.
@SeaOfFate I also dont like when boxers talks trash about mma or mma fighters talk trash about boxers.MMA boxing and K1 are all very hard sports and i like them all.
@mitjandjija Most mma fights have lots of respect for boxers/boxings. it's just a few loud mouth boxers like james toney, mayweather and ray mercer who have talked trash against the sport.
James Warring, Art Jimmerson, Melton Bowen, Jeremy Williams, James Toney and Ray Mercer are all professional boxers who have competed in MMA. Boxing is officially 8-5 in MMA events. . 8-5 in MMA events. IF I INCLUDED KJ Noons IN THE COMPARISON THE RECORD WOULD BE 18-7 IN FAVOR OF BOXING.
@mitjandjija I agree with you.............. SeaofFate is trying to use old past their prime boxers as examples to show MMA as superior when it isn't.......... Most MMA fans do this..... I respect all of these fighters like you do... but when mma fans try and say boxing is 'alien' to K1 or Mma... that's just ignorance. .... I wouldn't be surprised if Seaoffate has ever jumped into a boxing ring and at least sparred with an intermediate boxer... his perception of the sport would quickly change.
@mitjandjija seaoffate doesn't know that James Warring, Art Jimmerson, Melton Bowen, Jeremy Williams, James Toney and Ray are all boxers who fought in mma... boxers are officially 8-5 in MMA events. IF I INCLUDED KJ Noons IN THE COMPARISON THE RECORD WOULD BE 18-7 IN FAVOR OF BOXING........... This shows that boxers are more successful in the MMA then MMA fighters are against them.
@canunotg the comparison is wrong , you won't see a lot of MMA fighters in boxing bc they have different backrounds and it's too limiting for them , what will show that boxers are succeful in MMA is when they will dominate MMA, not just when they fight in mma more than mma fighters fighting in boxing .
@SeaOfFate If Botha fought in his prime it would be the same result??? Really???
A boxer never fully loses their power???
How about reflexes? Speed? Timing? Coordination? Strength? Agility?? how about after being knocked down numerous times in a career?? How about the thousands of punches you've received during a career?
Of course you can lose speed....... if you lose speed, you lose power...... of course you can't "fully" lose your power.... even 8 year old boys have power in their punches.
@canunotg Kickboxing is a whole different ball game. Yeah sure a boxer may walk into kickboxing and win a few fights. but when you get your legs kicked out throwing punches aren't easy. Francois botha was 36 around the time of this fight. he's not far from his prime. this took place 4-5 years after his fight with tyson. a prime botha would suffer similar problems. botha is 47-6 in boxing, 4-11 in kickboxing and 0-1 in mma. says a lot doesn't it?
@SeaOfFate One of those wins is also from an injury that a fight sustained himself. the fight had to be stopped. so botha is really 3-11 in kickboxing.
Uh, that's a genuine unbalance. Botha is a lucky bastard the ref interfered, because he was on his way to breaking the rules by hitting Bonjasky around 0:17.
That would've meant at least a point deduction, and there's refs who give the yellow immediatly if you attack people like that.
As for the rest, Botha was being outscored constantly. At a few occasions he narrowly avoided being knocked out, or down.
yes he was on the way to breaking rules ... but i dont know whyyy ref dont take this situation an knonckdown .... becouse hits of botha boniasky go tern around and dont wont to fight ... this is knockdown....
this way boniasky always when he have trouble can turn around and restOo!!!!
and this is why today k1 is for girls ...true fighters from k1 which not ecsaping from fight like boniasky are old or go to mma ... in k1 stay only mans like boniasky;/////
and sory for me englisch its not my first or even secend language and i cant find words to say why i so dont like type of fighters like boniasky is ... but his strategy is to jump kick someone and go on the ground .. he go on the ground without hit becuose of this ref stop fight without any consekwestion to boniasky and he can once more jump whit some kick and escape he can do this many time in one fight .. without this help by ref amatour boxer will ko this fag in first round!!!!!
LOL. Hey dickheads, What happened to all the talk that a Muay Thai fighter would ko a boxer in seconds with knees and kicks? Botha wasn't too impressed by them and shrugged Bonjasky, a MT expert, off like nothing. FUcking bitches. A boxer with defense against knees and kicks destroys any kickboxer, unless he's old.
I got my own personal stalker now haha. Are you obsessed with me now you unshaven insecure-i lift weights and post them on youtube- looking homosexual?
All the boxers you mentioned were either old, washed up, fat, or all at the same time
You're not bright so i'll explain it. K1 lures in old guys from other combat sports to make freakshows like this so stupid ass K1 cocksuckers like you will eat it up like dicks
Sefo, Mo, hunt, Kaoklai, Bernardo etc etc ALL failed in boxing in their prime.
LOL...you're the one attacking me on my own videos.
All of those K1 fighters you listed (except Kaoklai) have winning records in boxing...LOL!
Hell, Bernado is 11-1-1 in boxing
It's hilarious how you are forced to make up lies to compensate for boxing failing so badly in K1. Go back to your boxing fansite and have a circlejerk with the other fawning groupies.
That's easy. You're right here so all I have to do is click on your profile. You on the other hand crave for my attention and search for any videos my comments are on. Get off my dick and get a haircut faggot
Hell, who did Bernardo ever beat that had a pulse? Beating a few bums with losing records and also LOSING to them is basicely FAILING badly in boxing. Atleast Botha beat 2 of your legends and a few other
You go back to your weight lifting site to circle jerk with your fellow meatheads
Nah, you were for sure looking for my comments everywhere like a stalking lunatic. This is obviously your highlight of the day since you have no life.(other than making an ass of yourself by posting weight lifting vids on youtube haha)
And actually Bernardo has the worse record. Big deal he beat 11 bums nobody ever heard of with losing records. Botha beat Le Banner and Aerts, and gave Bonjasky a run for his money. Check out Aoklai's boxing record, or Mo, or Sefo and Hunt hehe. You lose.
No dickhead, I was bashing retarded boxing haters such as you because you deserve it. Needless to say I have gotten inside your head so much you're actually stalking me all over this website now haha.
it must have gone over your head like usual but I already told you why Botha's kickboxing record is better than bernardo's boxing record.
Nortje beat nothing but bums with losing records in boxing. which btw leads me to this, for the 15th time, name me 1 noteworthy boxer Botha ever beat?
So now you are reduced to copy pasting your old comments, and actually stealing some lines from my comments? hahaha. you must really admire me huh, weightlifting caveman looking boy?
You make it too easy for me moron. 2 wins against legends beats 11 wins against bums any day of the week. Botha used roids against shults i.e. no contest and draws are not wins.
And yeah, heayweight devision in boxing has been pretty bad the past few years. not as bad as your debating skills though haha.
I've already refuted all your moronic claims, which is why I'm using the same facts when you keep repeating them.
Botha FAILED in K1, just like Ray Mercer and Arthur Williams. Botha got WORKED in nearly every fight and one of his 'wins' was a freak injury.
Botha is 47-4-2 in boxing, is the WBF champion and is ranked in the top-40 heavyweights. He only lost to champion fighters, beat IBF champ Shultz and drew with Briggs(who you grudgingly admit is a decent fighter).
The same "facts" you've been using I have already shattered long time ago.
Like how you still claim he beat Shultz when that fight is listed as a No Contest because botha used steroids. You just can't admit this can you, retard?
And how the only fighter that was a champion that he lost to was Lennox Lewis. The rest were washed up FORMER champions. Another INCORRECT "fact" of yours
And how he didn't BEAT Briggs but it was a draw. Draws=wins now? Another "fact" of yours.
He beat him in the ring by CHEATING you absolute dickhead. Man you are just a laughing stock. I guess it's ok for EVERYBODY to use PED's as long as you "beat him in the ring"? Yeah, try telling that to anybody that knows combat sports
And there is a huge diffirence between a current champion and a FORMER champion. a former champion might be washed up and such, which was the case with Botha a few times.
You always mention the Briggs fight when I ask for Botha's WINS. That wasn't a win was it?
If you have nothing new to say and are just gonna copy and paste your old comments i'll just let you dwell in your own ignorance and won't waste my time any longer.
Lol you dumbass. Boxing is shit for real fighting it just exploits the fact you need to fight like a bitch. Muay Thai always beats shitty ass boxing. But BJJ is the best martial art and both fall to it anyday. Botha proved boxing is a joke in this fight lol.
Idiot, you dont know what a REAL street fight is, im NOT talking about kimbo slice shit, where people SET UP to fight, or the bull shit kids fighting or UFC crap. BJJ is shit for the street, even worse for a weapon attack, moment you go to the ground his mates will be jumping all over his head, secondly you dont have the distance for kicking third you have about 20 seconds of combat to do as much damage as possible. Boxing rules in a REAL street fight. Im a martial artist myself.
"Botha proved boxing is a joke"... no mate Botha a WASHED UP AGED boxer PROVED he can go the distance with the BEST in his PRIME K1 fighter... You obviously dont know shit. 10 - 15 years ago Botha was a different fighter. This fight dont prove anything you pratt!
except a prime K1 fighter beat an OLD WASHED UP boxer from a different sport and he still couldnt take him out. Turn the tables and if it was a boxing match Botha would have KTFO! even though he's OLD.
Not quite. You can see clearly Botha lacks the tactics to perform well.
Check just after the 7th minute. If you see such a range-finding hand, you either get in, or get out, because any tactical fighter knows that something nasty is going to come flying in soon.
Same for Bonjasky's knees. A well prepared fighter would either keep zero space in the clinch, or be far away. Botha forgot that several times.
Check the 2008 superfight Holtzken vs Kalakoda to see an example of such distance managing.
No heavyweight ever would beat Tyson in his PRIME Cus di'mato in his corner = unstoppable and of Francis was in his prime he would of killed this dude
MrTrulatin859 3 months ago
Washed up Boxer
MrTrulatin859 3 months ago
HEY KEEP ARGUING WHILE NEW WORLD ORDER DESTROYS CIVILIZATION
AresCosmos 4 months ago
again.. im not talking about boxers overall, im talking about young tyson. Most boxers will have big problems with the lowkicks. Especially the Boxers that like to fight from the outside.
bimmer666 7 months ago
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mitjandjija 8 months ago
ahah botha in boxing botha is not good like in k1 lol
djsimo149 10 months ago
Botha lost a lot in k1 but he didn't get finished much (only once i think, to Mo) and showed he was a lot tougher than other boxers who crossed over to K1.
B0l0joe 1 year ago 2
Botha is a tough dude!!
Glidewell1122 1 year ago
botha's good fighter but he's old. MIKE TYSON BEAT BOTHA K.O. BOTHA MAKE A VERY GOOD CARRIER. he's very brave to go fight k1 he's boxer...
BLACKundNATION 1 year ago
@BLACKundNATION he was winning that fight against tyson up until he was ko'd
trentbusta1 10 months ago
One important thing.Botha is never been huge puncher in boxing.He got up from every kick he had taken in K1.He did not got up from Mike Tyson one punch.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija botha is a top HW boxer, he has got an amazing record, looks like as soon botha lost in k-1 suddenly he became a not so good boxer...
UsernameAKvsM 1 year ago
@UsernameAKvsM When he came too k1 he was already shot boxer and overweight,and lost only one time with stoppage vs Mighty Mo.In boxing when he was younger and in shape he lost vs Lewis,Klitschko,Tyson,Moorer with knockout.He goes to distance in k1 with Sefo,Bonjaski twice,Abidi and he win vs Aerst,Le Banner,Kaoklai.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija im no boxing expert but im pretty sure losing against these boxers u named is no shame, he was 33, and not overweight, just got a little stomache with the time, his win against aerts wasnt impressive at all, (injurie), and jerome even outboxed him sometimes, lost due injurie too (i think) and kaoklai is a lightweight... the only boxer who could have been successful in k-1 is tyson, cause of his style, dont know what lexis or klitschko could do better than botha in k-1
UsernameAKvsM 1 year ago
@UsernameAKvsM He was 36 vs bonjaski.I am saying that he lost on points with top k1 fighters and lost by KO vs top boxers.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija i mean in his debut he was 33, jerome, sefo and mo are just 1 or 2 years younger, and k-1 goes 3 rounds, boxing 12, if k-1 12 too... the possibiliy that botha gets knocked out would be much higher, after 10 rounds full of low kicks,he wont be able to walk anymore or after 3 high kicks or only one by cro cop he probably would be sleeping, same as knees and punches
UsernameAKvsM 1 year ago
@UsernameAKvsM I am from cro cop country.Cro cop is good fighter but with glass jaw.In boxing he would no have a chance he cant take a punch.Botha is not heavy puncher but he can drop cro cop with one punch.Botha chance in K1 is much bigger than Cro cop in boxing.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija just a good fighter? cant take a punch? never heard something like that form a croatian... he was a top k-1 fighter, instead of botha he beated aerts, le banner(not due injurie), bonjanski,...etc, and he swichted from k-1 and mma like botha from boxing to k-1... and he became in all mma ranking second best HW in the world!! and a glas jaw?? he got knocked out only 3 times in maybe 70 professionall fights!!!
UsernameAKvsM 1 year ago
@UsernameAKvsM Ok you have your opinion i have mine,and of discusion.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija yes everyone can have an opinion, peace
UsernameAKvsM 1 year ago
@mitjandjija Mirko started his career as boxer.He had 45 Amt.boxing fights and 40 wins....
So saying that he doesn t have a chance in boxing is ridiculous......the "glass jaw" thing I dont even want to comment...
BBBdbk 8 months ago
@UsernameAKvsM How would Tyson's style be effective in K-1 rules? He would eat knees and kicks all day to the face the way he dips.
TheLostDragon23 11 months ago
@TheLostDragon23 the young tyson would walk through the k1 field like a hurricane. They wouldnt been able to defeat themself once he let his ligthning fast combos go. Young Tyson wasnt the Tyson you kids know.
bimmer666 7 months ago
@bimmer666 I don't give a fuck if it was young Tyson. I know how fast and powerful he was when he was young too,. It's not like his archive of fights have vanished. His young days is what he's known for, but due to the fact he doesn't know shit about anything but punching, he would get his legs kicked out and he would get destroyed.
TheLostDragon23 7 months ago
@TheLostDragon23 so u are really that ignorant? you say: the most talented heavyweight boxer of all time would not be able to learn how to take lowkicks? Cmon.... Tyson was a natural talented fighter. He started boxing with 15 and went World champion with 20. Of course it would take him 15 years to lern how to avoid lowkicks.... right ? Stay in the real World little Dragon.
bimmer666 7 months ago
@bimmer666 hahaha, it's been proven time and again under k1 rules that plain boxers without prior training in kickboxing are a fish out of water when it comes to well rounded striking. They eat kick after kick, or low kick, feint high kick, wash, rinse, and repeat. Boxing is an amazing art in of itself, but put a muay thai champion against a boxing champion, the kickboxer will win 9 out of 10. Show me proof of otherwise, and i'll consider it pal.
TheLostDragon23 7 months ago 2
@TheLostDragon23 u should think about that. Every Boxer that went to K1, MMA or anything, did never been a puncher. There has been some counter boxers like Toney, Mercer and this average brawler in Botha.
A Boxer like young Tyson would be a whole other story. Bonjasky had problems with average Botha. What would he do with young Tyson? Standing at the ropes with him like with botha? He would do that exactly 1 time and the fight is over. Stop dreaming...
bimmer666 7 months ago
@bimmer666 yea we all know young Tyson had possibly the hardest punch on the planet. Anyone with that kind of speed and power has the ability to take anyone out at any time. I really don't think he would make a very successful career in k1 though. Just my opinion, but his style does leave him open to all kinds of long range weapons a kicker has. Not to mention the way he dips. Bonjasky could have a field day with knees and kicks to his face, and I'm sure he would eat plenty.
TheLostDragon23 7 months ago
@TheLostDragon23 Tyson was THE expert to get to the inside without beeing hit. His defence was superb. He has been the most talented heavyweight ever. Thats why i think he would lern the K-1 game very fast. Once he is on the inside, all K-1 fighters would lern by pain, that its not the most intelligent thing trying to hit him with knees. Once there is one Leg in the air, the ballance is gone. They would, like every boxer, try to survive.
bimmer666 7 months ago
@bimmer666 Actually, they'd likely just clinch him, knee, then wait. Then lowkicks... There's a reason kickboxers generally don't do exagerated dodging, bobbing and weaving, and that's because it generally makes you lose. Each time you bob, it's another scoring lowkick you're taking, if your opponent has more than half a brain.
Blahb27 7 months ago
@bimmer666 man you're the one dreaming here, with the "captain america would beat spiderman" stuff, Tyson was awesome, we all know it, Bonjasky is a K-1 megastar, but they belong to different generations, different sports, etc etc, a fight between them wont happen, you can imagine it one way, other guy his own way and so... this argument is almost as stupid as a "who's better: Jordan or Messi, Federer or Usain Bolt..." would be.
franronin 5 months ago
@franronin oh yeah.. this isstn cpt. america vs spiderman. We´re talking about a boxer vs a kick/thaiboxer. And if you funny guy would klick the "play" button you would see a boxer vs thaiboxer. But u are right, a fight wont happen. So its nonsens after all.
And if someone wants to know if the Klitschkos would do good in K1, you should do some research....
bimmer666 5 months ago
@TheLostDragon23
So which boxing champion in his prime has ever entered the K1?
NONE. Botha was fat, out of his prime and only in it for the fast money because he could not box at the big stages any moore. And he did fine against Bonjasky - a world class kickboxer. Botha in his prime would have finished Bonjasky.
Anguis79 3 months ago
Most Boxers get humiliated in mma or k-1 the only way they can really win in mma is if a mixed martial artist gets cocky and trys to strike with them.. but even garbage mma fighters can beat boxing legends. watch kimbo slice v.s ray mercer.
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
@SeaOfFate You mean Boxing legends that are way past their prime. It would be good to see MMA's best in each weight division fight against BOXING's best..... make them fight in a boxing ring...... and then make them fight in MMA rules..... My prediction would be ... Boxers would beat every single MMA fighter with boxing rules obviously....... but I wouldn't guarantee MMA fighters winning every MMA fight against the pro boxers.
MMA vs BOXING is a debate that will never end.
canunotg 1 year ago
@canunotg Well, that makes sense, seeing as MMA rules are engineered to favour groundfight-oriented guys and give them better chances.
Allow rabbit punches (the logical countermeasure to anyone grabbing your waist or legs to make you fall down) and you'd see BJJ enthousiasts losing match after match.
Dutch freefight rules are different because of that. No punches to the face while on the ground for instance. Result is you can't win by hiding in the groundfight, and fights are more interesting.
Blahb27 1 year ago
@Blahb27 well MMA includes wrestling,submissions,chokes...how a fighter who relys for exemple on wrestling and submissions , can win without takedowns and controlling the opponent in the ground ? therfor when that happens, it's doesn't mean that the rules favour groundfight-oriented guys, it means that is the opponent who can't defend from wrestling .
worldinuniverse 1 year ago
remy bonjansky and badr hari are the best k-1 fighters ever
danoninoist 1 year ago
did not need to see botha wearing those shorts
devastateurface 1 year ago
the most successful boxer in k1 history is the legend mike bernado!
redblazerpea 1 year ago
Botha is not a huge puncher and he was washed up boxer and still gave Bonjasky problems.Imagine prime Tyson vs Bonjasky.We all know result.And remember Botha didnt get up from Tyson punch
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija
Bonjavsky was not in his best game ever at the time of this fight, but on the rise. Had Tyson in his prime fought Bonjavsky a couple of years ago, I know exactly what the result would have been. Tyson was confident against boxers because he knew what to expect and that's the point that you stupid "Tyson Rules" activists keep missing. I watched Tyson referee one of these fights a few years back; he was clueless! He was paralyzed with confusion. Trust me, he would have been KO'd!!!
josepablobolanos 1 year ago
@josepablobolanos many boxers have proved time after time they can win at an older age. it really isn't a factor. Just different sports.. sure a boxer can go into k-1 and knock a bunch of people out, but they would not dominate. K-1 made examples out of ray mercer and Botha. but i give these guys credit for coming into an alien sport and trying their best.
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
@mitjandjija remy just needs 3 kicks to mike's skinny unconditioned legs and he would have folded over
redblazerpea 1 year ago
@mitjandjija thats not true. Botha is a legend.. Fact is if botha came in during his prime he would have suffered the same. kickboxing is an alien sport to boxers. theirs lots of different elements not present in boxing. A boxer never fully loses their power.. they still remain strong and tough.. If you look at his most recent fight in boxing he had been doing really well against evander holyffield, he was winning the fight pretty deceivingly until he got knocked down.
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
@SeaOfFate I was looking fight with Holyfield and Holyfield is 47 years old.Are you were wathching second fight between Botha and Bonjasky.Botha was better and Bonjasky flored Botha in last seconds of fight and Botha lost on points.Like Holyfield fight but diferent is that Botha get up from Bonjasky kick.K1 is not that aliensport for boxing.I think boxing is alien for K1.Are you were watching Ray Sefo pro boxing fight.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija I agree with you. I think a lot of kickboxers would have trouble in boxing. but i think some would win fights. look at vitali klitchko for example, one of the best heavyweights of all time. also a former kickboxer. boxing is a one dimensional sport, all you need is your hands. it's still a great sport, but im sick and tired of all these trash talking boxers who insult k-1 and mma. it's not cool. and not one boxer has succeeded in mma or kickboxing.
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
@SeaOfFate I also dont like when boxers talks trash about mma or mma fighters talk trash about boxers.MMA boxing and K1 are all very hard sports and i like them all.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija Most mma fights have lots of respect for boxers/boxings. it's just a few loud mouth boxers like james toney, mayweather and ray mercer who have talked trash against the sport.
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
@SeaOfFate "not one boxer has succeeded in MMA???
James Warring, Art Jimmerson, Melton Bowen, Jeremy Williams, James Toney and Ray Mercer are all professional boxers who have competed in MMA. Boxing is officially 8-5 in MMA events. . 8-5 in MMA events. IF I INCLUDED KJ Noons IN THE COMPARISON THE RECORD WOULD BE 18-7 IN FAVOR OF BOXING.
canunotg 1 year ago
@mitjandjija I agree with you.............. SeaofFate is trying to use old past their prime boxers as examples to show MMA as superior when it isn't.......... Most MMA fans do this..... I respect all of these fighters like you do... but when mma fans try and say boxing is 'alien' to K1 or Mma... that's just ignorance. .... I wouldn't be surprised if Seaoffate has ever jumped into a boxing ring and at least sparred with an intermediate boxer... his perception of the sport would quickly change.
canunotg 1 year ago
@canunotg Thanks.We understand each other very well.
mitjandjija 1 year ago
@mitjandjija seaoffate doesn't know that James Warring, Art Jimmerson, Melton Bowen, Jeremy Williams, James Toney and Ray are all boxers who fought in mma... boxers are officially 8-5 in MMA events. IF I INCLUDED KJ Noons IN THE COMPARISON THE RECORD WOULD BE 18-7 IN FAVOR OF BOXING........... This shows that boxers are more successful in the MMA then MMA fighters are against them.
canunotg 1 year ago
@canunotg the comparison is wrong , you won't see a lot of MMA fighters in boxing bc they have different backrounds and it's too limiting for them , what will show that boxers are succeful in MMA is when they will dominate MMA, not just when they fight in mma more than mma fighters fighting in boxing .
worldinuniverse 1 year ago
@SeaOfFate If Botha fought in his prime it would be the same result??? Really???
A boxer never fully loses their power???
How about reflexes? Speed? Timing? Coordination? Strength? Agility?? how about after being knocked down numerous times in a career?? How about the thousands of punches you've received during a career?
Of course you can lose speed....... if you lose speed, you lose power...... of course you can't "fully" lose your power.... even 8 year old boys have power in their punches.
canunotg 1 year ago
@canunotg Kickboxing is a whole different ball game. Yeah sure a boxer may walk into kickboxing and win a few fights. but when you get your legs kicked out throwing punches aren't easy. Francois botha was 36 around the time of this fight. he's not far from his prime. this took place 4-5 years after his fight with tyson. a prime botha would suffer similar problems. botha is 47-6 in boxing, 4-11 in kickboxing and 0-1 in mma. says a lot doesn't it?
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
@SeaOfFate One of those wins is also from an injury that a fight sustained himself. the fight had to be stopped. so botha is really 3-11 in kickboxing.
SeaOfFate 1 year ago
At 3:44 Botha tries to push Remy out of the ring.Botha is well known as a dirty fighter but he is a warrior..
mrzoda08 1 year ago
botha sucksed in k1 but you gotta give it to him hes a tough sonofabitch
selfesteemdestroyer 1 year ago
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botha is a former ibf world heavyweight boxing champ he is tough and did pretty good against a k1 multiable champ
fucdalaw1 1 year ago
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botha is a former ibf world heavyweight boxing champ he is tough and did pretty good against a k1 multiable champ
fucdalaw1 1 year ago
botha is a former ibf world heavyweight boxing champ he is tough and did pretty good against a k1 multiable champ
fucdalaw1 1 year ago
botha is a former ibf world heavyweight boxing champ he is tough and didnt pretty good against a k1 multiable champ
fucdalaw1 1 year ago
what you are talking about....??!?
good fight of botha he is shorter and older and champion of k1 have problem with him .....
k1 rules are very good to boniasky when botha atack him he tern around and refree stop fight ....
rudziu102 2 years ago
Uh, that's a genuine unbalance. Botha is a lucky bastard the ref interfered, because he was on his way to breaking the rules by hitting Bonjasky around 0:17.
That would've meant at least a point deduction, and there's refs who give the yellow immediatly if you attack people like that.
As for the rest, Botha was being outscored constantly. At a few occasions he narrowly avoided being knocked out, or down.
Blahb27 2 years ago
yes he was on the way to breaking rules ... but i dont know whyyy ref dont take this situation an knonckdown .... becouse hits of botha boniasky go tern around and dont wont to fight ... this is knockdown....
this way boniasky always when he have trouble can turn around and restOo!!!!
and this is why today k1 is for girls ...true fighters from k1 which not ecsaping from fight like boniasky are old or go to mma ... in k1 stay only mans like boniasky;/////
rudziu102 2 years ago
and sory for me englisch its not my first or even secend language and i cant find words to say why i so dont like type of fighters like boniasky is ... but his strategy is to jump kick someone and go on the ground .. he go on the ground without hit becuose of this ref stop fight without any consekwestion to boniasky and he can once more jump whit some kick and escape he can do this many time in one fight .. without this help by ref amatour boxer will ko this fag in first round!!!!!
rudziu102 2 years ago
Remy Bonjasky vs madd sentaclause
tjeerdje93 2 years ago
LOL. Hey dickheads, What happened to all the talk that a Muay Thai fighter would ko a boxer in seconds with knees and kicks? Botha wasn't too impressed by them and shrugged Bonjasky, a MT expert, off like nothing. FUcking bitches. A boxer with defense against knees and kicks destroys any kickboxer, unless he's old.
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
LOL@this boxing nuthugger...Botha got fucking WORKED in this fight. You must be blind if you think otherwise.
Boxers KO'd in seconds?
You mean like IBF champion Arthur Williams being destroyed in the first round in K1?
Botha being destroyed by semi-trained brawler Mighty Mo?
Ray Mercer being stopped by Bonjasky in the first 10sec of their fight?
LOL!
What a loser.
SD78 2 years ago
I got my own personal stalker now haha. Are you obsessed with me now you unshaven insecure-i lift weights and post them on youtube- looking homosexual?
All the boxers you mentioned were either old, washed up, fat, or all at the same time
You're not bright so i'll explain it. K1 lures in old guys from other combat sports to make freakshows like this so stupid ass K1 cocksuckers like you will eat it up like dicks
Sefo, Mo, hunt, Kaoklai, Bernardo etc etc ALL failed in boxing in their prime.
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
LOL...you're the one attacking me on my own videos.
All of those K1 fighters you listed (except Kaoklai) have winning records in boxing...LOL!
Hell, Bernado is 11-1-1 in boxing
It's hilarious how you are forced to make up lies to compensate for boxing failing so badly in K1. Go back to your boxing fansite and have a circlejerk with the other fawning groupies.
SD78 2 years ago
That's easy. You're right here so all I have to do is click on your profile. You on the other hand crave for my attention and search for any videos my comments are on. Get off my dick and get a haircut faggot
Hell, who did Bernardo ever beat that had a pulse? Beating a few bums with losing records and also LOSING to them is basicely FAILING badly in boxing. Atleast Botha beat 2 of your legends and a few other
You go back to your weight lifting site to circle jerk with your fellow meatheads
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
No, I watched the Bonjasky vs. Botha beating and noticed you were dumping on K1 (again) with your ridiculous bullshit.
You scrolled through all my videos to find one that featured me. That's 'gay stalker' territory right there.
Bernado: 11-1-1 in boxing
Botha: 2-10 in K1 (with one 'win' being a freak injury)
Who has the worse record? LOL!
SD78 2 years ago
Nah, you were for sure looking for my comments everywhere like a stalking lunatic. This is obviously your highlight of the day since you have no life.(other than making an ass of yourself by posting weight lifting vids on youtube haha)
And actually Bernardo has the worse record. Big deal he beat 11 bums nobody ever heard of with losing records. Botha beat Le Banner and Aerts, and gave Bonjasky a run for his money. Check out Aoklai's boxing record, or Mo, or Sefo and Hunt hehe. You lose.
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
No, I watched this video of Botha being clowned (again) and saw you had made another retarded comment bashing K1.
11-1-1 isn't a good enough boxing record compared to Botha's 2-10 failure in K1?
LOL!
How about Nortje's 9-0 boxing record compared to his terrible 7-15 K1 record?
SD78 2 years ago
No dickhead, I was bashing retarded boxing haters such as you because you deserve it. Needless to say I have gotten inside your head so much you're actually stalking me all over this website now haha.
it must have gone over your head like usual but I already told you why Botha's kickboxing record is better than bernardo's boxing record.
Nortje beat nothing but bums with losing records in boxing. which btw leads me to this, for the 15th time, name me 1 noteworthy boxer Botha ever beat?
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
I like boxing, it's just retarded nuthuggers like you who give it a bad name.
11-1-1 is better than 2-10 any day of the week.
Botha beat Axel Shultz for the IBF title and drew with Shannon Briggs. Botha is the current WBF champ and is ranked in the top-40 heavyweights.
If Botha is so bad, what does it say about the level of competition in heavyweight boxing? LOL!
SD78 2 years ago
So now you are reduced to copy pasting your old comments, and actually stealing some lines from my comments? hahaha. you must really admire me huh, weightlifting caveman looking boy?
You make it too easy for me moron. 2 wins against legends beats 11 wins against bums any day of the week. Botha used roids against shults i.e. no contest and draws are not wins.
And yeah, heayweight devision in boxing has been pretty bad the past few years. not as bad as your debating skills though haha.
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
I've already refuted all your moronic claims, which is why I'm using the same facts when you keep repeating them.
Botha FAILED in K1, just like Ray Mercer and Arthur Williams. Botha got WORKED in nearly every fight and one of his 'wins' was a freak injury.
Botha is 47-4-2 in boxing, is the WBF champion and is ranked in the top-40 heavyweights. He only lost to champion fighters, beat IBF champ Shultz and drew with Briggs(who you grudgingly admit is a decent fighter).
SD78 2 years ago
The same "facts" you've been using I have already shattered long time ago.
Like how you still claim he beat Shultz when that fight is listed as a No Contest because botha used steroids. You just can't admit this can you, retard?
And how the only fighter that was a champion that he lost to was Lennox Lewis. The rest were washed up FORMER champions. Another INCORRECT "fact" of yours
And how he didn't BEAT Briggs but it was a draw. Draws=wins now? Another "fact" of yours.
Anything else?
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
LOL...Botha DID beat Shultz, but he later tested positive for steroids. He still beat him in the ring whether you like it or not.
All four of them were champion fighters, like I said. I didn't say 'current' champions.
Where did I say Botha beat Briggs? Stop lying.
SD78 2 years ago
He beat him in the ring by CHEATING you absolute dickhead. Man you are just a laughing stock. I guess it's ok for EVERYBODY to use PED's as long as you "beat him in the ring"? Yeah, try telling that to anybody that knows combat sports
And there is a huge diffirence between a current champion and a FORMER champion. a former champion might be washed up and such, which was the case with Botha a few times.
You always mention the Briggs fight when I ask for Botha's WINS. That wasn't a win was it?
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
Using deca really wouldn't make one hell of a lot of difference.
It's like saying Diaz didn't really beat Gomi because he tested positive for weed.
If Botha was so bad, he wouldn't have been able to get a Majority Draw against someone who you admit is a decent fighter.
SD78 2 years ago
If you have nothing new to say and are just gonna copy and paste your old comments i'll just let you dwell in your own ignorance and won't waste my time any longer.
VCthaGOATdunker 2 years ago
Botha would have slaughtered him in a real fight, you dont jump and knee, kick in a street fight, trip and your head is split on concrete, game over
idawidawaputtycat 2 years ago
Lol you dumbass. Boxing is shit for real fighting it just exploits the fact you need to fight like a bitch. Muay Thai always beats shitty ass boxing. But BJJ is the best martial art and both fall to it anyday. Botha proved boxing is a joke in this fight lol.
honeyhunter111 2 years ago
Idiot, you dont know what a REAL street fight is, im NOT talking about kimbo slice shit, where people SET UP to fight, or the bull shit kids fighting or UFC crap. BJJ is shit for the street, even worse for a weapon attack, moment you go to the ground his mates will be jumping all over his head, secondly you dont have the distance for kicking third you have about 20 seconds of combat to do as much damage as possible. Boxing rules in a REAL street fight. Im a martial artist myself.
idawidawaputtycat 2 years ago
"Botha proved boxing is a joke"... no mate Botha a WASHED UP AGED boxer PROVED he can go the distance with the BEST in his PRIME K1 fighter... You obviously dont know shit. 10 - 15 years ago Botha was a different fighter. This fight dont prove anything you pratt!
except a prime K1 fighter beat an OLD WASHED UP boxer from a different sport and he still couldnt take him out. Turn the tables and if it was a boxing match Botha would have KTFO! even though he's OLD.
idawidawaputtycat 2 years ago
in real fight francois bota could beat bonjasky
1967bathem 2 years ago
Not quite. You can see clearly Botha lacks the tactics to perform well.
Check just after the 7th minute. If you see such a range-finding hand, you either get in, or get out, because any tactical fighter knows that something nasty is going to come flying in soon.
Same for Bonjasky's knees. A well prepared fighter would either keep zero space in the clinch, or be far away. Botha forgot that several times.
Check the 2008 superfight Holtzken vs Kalakoda to see an example of such distance managing.
Blahb27 2 years ago