I love how these guys trust the 9/11 commision report (more like omission) like it has any truth what so ever, the head of the CIA, Department of Defence, and DO-Justice said on record for the commision to not dig too deep, perhaps to find our the REAL truth? besides if a country is willing to kill a MILLION civilians in Iraq you dont think they'd kill 3000 of its own citizens because they're on "our" team?
the top of one of the towers hit building 7? i guess they forgot to mention that in the commission report... oh well, minor detail, as long as no one questions it
yes they did plant the bombs because they told ppl to leave a week before the attacks for "construction, and this dumbass wants us to read something the government themselves wrote, fuckin moron.
@Peruviankokane Detroit's JL Hudson Department store building was about 440 feet tall. It took Controlled Demolitions Inc. 24 days working around the clock to plant over 4000 charges needed to demolish that building. WTC 1 and 2 are much taller and better made structures. If what you said is true about the week long evacuation, explain to me how they could plant more than 4000 bombs within seven days.
LMFAO! Yeah ok Anthony. At 3:20, you say that all that debris from one of the towers hit Building 7 and made it fall down. IN A PERFECT SYMMETRICAL COLLAPSE??? Bwahahahahahaha! This fucking retard will believe anything. Opie and Dopey pretty much got bought out by the Zionist Jew controlled media to cover all the 9/11 bullshit. These guys need to get fucked in their vaginas. Seriously.
Ant always asks for evidence for 9/11 conspiracys, and where the fuck does he get his facts from mainstream media? that alone should disqualify him asking for evidence
I think all conspiracy theorists are just faggots who want to be different. They know its absurd, or they are just mentally ill but they are just cocksuckers who want attention and want to feel important and believing some absurd shit like the government planting bombs in the buildings and fakeing phone calls from familly members give them a false sense of importance
Listen to the people who were there that day. Not the NIST report, not the news reporters, not the naysayers who believe that the US never would let anything harmful happen to innocents.
Anyone remember Operation Northwoods?
Gulf of Tonkin?
USS Maine attack?
Remember when Clinton lied to our faces over a blowjob?
Ha who benefits from 911....... and some how we lost our rights ...so welcome the NWO...its funny that 10 years to the day 9/11/91 Bush announced the NWO at the same time the towers collapsed 10 years later ..it's strange how tv can influence your perception through repetition ...drilling it's propaganda to make you content with their side of the story..REALLY molten steel found weeks after the buildings fell...
All u ppl saying Steve Jone's "research paper" prove thermite was present should know that he was fired from his university research job for being a wacko . . . none of his colleages agree with his non-sense. read the reviews of his paper and learn what other researchers think cuz its not flattering for Steve
How would L.E.R. would be able to tell the difference between molten steel and other molten metals present on buildings?
But I have a question then...an explosive like C4 is not a fuel, it does not burn to the point of melting steel either, If you say that there were bombs planted how would C4 or any other explosive melt steel? Because there was no molten steel, there was no source of heat present that would melt steel.
Here is World Trade Center Structural Engineer saying he saw molten steel after 9/11 watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs The presence of molten steel is a FACT which cannot be explained the official story which means people like you have to LIE about its existence.
That's just a flat out lie when O or A says that the 9/11 report stated where the money came from. The 911 comm. report specifically states that they did NOT find where the money came from.
@Oz1976 You can't hear a refrigerator explode from the street. Jumpers don't sound like explosions. Elevator cables snapping don't make explosions. You are in denial. Plain and simple.
@niverent Watch the 9/11 doc from the Naudet brothers in it's entirety, specifically the part where they're in the lobby of WTC 1 when jumpers start hitting the facades and overhangs. The noise they make is deafening to the point all the firefighters react suddenly and say they know it's the jumpers. Find one video post impact pre collapse that has sounds of explosions you can hear on the street. There aren't any. The witness testimony is from within the buildings. Face it, you're wrong.
Are you calling those NY Firefighters liars? They aren't talking about jumpers...they are talking about secondary explosions. So are YOU calling those NY FIREFIGHTERS liars???
@niverent No I'm not calling them liars, they also do not agree with your assesment and hate the fact that "truthers" cherry pick their quotes to support their idiocy. Again, get it through your thick skull, EXPLOSION does NOT mean BOMB. Lots of things cause explosions as has been shown and proven, you're just so stuck on this inside job bullshit that you can't see through your own idiocy. He even says in that video ("the 3rd explosion, the collapse") comprehend it moron.
@Oz1976 He (NY Firefighter) called it a "secondary explosion." Not a fucking cable snapping. Not a fucking body hitting the pavement. So yes, you oz1976, are calling the three NY fighters liars in this video:
@niverent You have no clue. No I'm not. Go watch the ENTIRE Naudet documentary. Go watch the ENTIRE "On Native Soil" documentary. Go watch the ENTIRE "Inside the World Trade Center" documentary. For the last time, get it through your puny little brain, EXPLOSIONS DOES NOT MEAN BOMBS!!!!! This has been proven, and not one firefighter that survived that day says bombs were planted, they say "it was LIKE a bomb". Keyword there, LIKE, go look up what a SIMILE is. Idiot.
@Oz1976 No, I am merely reporting what the firemen say. You are the one adding your own meaning to the words. So here is the fact: there were numerous secondary explosions that took place and were heard at the WTC on 9/11.
@niverent No I'm adding what they said in later interviews when they were informed about the idiotic CT's about 911. Not one said "I saw a bomb there". Explosion does not mean BOMB. For the last time. There were no impacts on the steal outside of the impact zone that would indicate explosives. There was no residue of any explosive found. Thermite is NOT an explosive, it does NOT explode. It's an incendiary. Get over it. They were describing what it was like, not what it was. Cherry pick more.
@Oz1976 I never said explosion means bomb you fucking moron. Again, do you concede that NY Firemen reported secondary explosions on 9/11? Yes or no. Here is an example again in case you missed it the first time: watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=channel_video_title
@Oz1976 There was nothing about the steel that would indicate the use of explosives? How about the fact that there was molten steel? Jet fuel can't melt steel. Normal office fires can't melt steel. So what the fuck did melt the steel?
@niverent 1) There was no molten steel, there was molten metal which can be attributed to 100's of other materials, especially aluminum, which was plentiful in the buildings and melts at a much lower temp.
2) Molten metal is not a characteristic of explosive damage.
3) Jet Fuel was the fire initiator, not what kept the fires burning. There was a multitude of flammable materials inside those buildings. The steel softened, it didn't melt.
@niverent What does that video prove except that there wasn't molten steel? Pray tell how the pic at 0:13 of the video proves molten steel? 1) if it was molten the excavator would not have been able to pick it up. 2) if it was molten the excavator would have sieze up and the claw would have melted. The hydraulics would have fuzed. You, like the idiot that made that video, doesn't have a clue. Thermite does not work the way you hope it does. Firefighters aren't metallurgists.
@niverent No, in your fantasy world it proves there is, in reality it proves there isn't. The photo at 13 seconds is proof enough. Ask any of the CDI or Implosionworld experts that were there during recovery. If the steel in that grappler was molten, if it was that hot, it would have melted the grapple on the excavator. It would have siezed up the hydraulics. It's RED HOT, it is not MOLTEN. The only video evidence of ANYTHING molten is ALUMINUM.
@Oz1976 This video shows evidence of molten steel watch?v=zt-KgVFIa9c. Its there for anyone to see. You deny this evidence because you are in denial. Even Leslie Robertson said there was molten steel watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
@niverent You've posted that first vid link 3 times to me now...it does NOT prove molten steel. As I have ALREADY said in the previous response and debunked. Get it through your thick head. Leslie Robertson is not a metallurgist, he was talking off the cuff, "a little river..." With the amount of steel that was there, in the IMMEDIATE area, it would have been a LARGE river...why did it not solidify the minute they opened the wall? Oh, cause it wasn't fucking steel. And, thermite couldn't do that
@Oz1976 So you refuse to admit that Leslie Robertson saw a river of molten steel at WTC? Its a simple yes or not question...why won't you answer it? watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
@niverent No, see, you fail to comprehend anything. I refuse to answer the question because you keep moving the goal posts. I said posts ago I'm done with you. Leslie Robertson, has printed his own accounts of the tower and 7 collapses...
@Oz1976 The bottom line is that you refuse to admit that according to Leslie Robertson (and others) there was molten steel at the WTC. Here he is saying it: watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs Your refusal to admit it just proves you are in denial of the facts.
@niverent The bottom line is there was no molten steel, whether he initially said it or not is irrelevant. One could not stand next to a "river of molten steel" in the area they were in the sublevels, the heat would have been excrutiating, There was no molten steel, thermite doesn't make molten steel, you're wrong, get over it.
@Oz1976 Oh ok, so you are saying that Leslie Robertson was wrong about what he saw here watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs You are also saying that the firemen who said they saw rivers of molten steel were also wrong. I get it. You, who wasn't there, feel for some bizarre fucking reason that you are in a position to tell people that were there that they didn't really see what they claimed to have seen.
@niverent You're an idiot. Office fires without retardant certainly can weaken steel. No steel was melted or molten. And again, no Thermite does NOT melt steel it slags it, and it certainly doesn't make it molten to the point it "flows like a river". It does not have the sustainability to do that....Fuel (even plastics) + heat + oxygen burning beneath tons of debris added by compression and steam (proven from the busted water mains) is what sustained the heat, not thermite. You're an idiot.
@Oz1976 You are a liar. You are lying about there not being molten steel. Leslie Robertson himself says he saw it here: watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs There is additional evidence here including firefighters who also saw rivers of molten steel here: watch?v=t-XA0Rv1Ng8&feature=channel_video_title
@niverent No I'm not. There was molten METAL, not steel, no metalurgical tests were done on those "pools" and the temperatures were not sufficient to make pools of molten steel. Roberston was mistaken as to what he saw, as were the firefighters who were unqualified, it's rational that they were mistaken given the chaos and devistation they were confronted with. There was no molten steel, no proof of molten steel, the only liar here is you. This shit was debunked in 2006 and you still cling to it
@Oz1976 Nope. Leslie Robertson said it was molten steel as did countless other witnesses. There was even a sample of steel that FEMA analyzed which had been melted, and the NY Times also reported steel had been melted. All you can do is lie about this fact. No legititmate counter arguments. Just lies and denial. Interesting.
@niverent You're a fucking idiot. The only liar is you. Come spew this shit on JREF, I dare you. "Molten Steel" was debunked 6 years ago and you can't let it go, even when all the major other "truth" pushers have. Good job on being 6 years behind the curve. If you want to debate this further come to the JREF forum.
(forums.randi . org/forumdisplay .php?f=64)
But considering how SURE of yourself you are and how dumb, I doubt you will.
@Oz1976 The way they "debunked" the molten steel six years ago was by claiming that Leslie Robertson didn't actually say it, but he did say it. Here is him saying it: watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
(Part of the significance of that video is that the JREFers claimed that he didn't actually say it. Just lie after lie after lie from the "debunkers." Why is that?)
@Oz1976 Ramen brother, Randy and the JREF rule. I used to believe in these conspiracies until I studied both sides and my mind was changed. A lot of fucked up shit happened that day but never blame on malice what can be explained by incompetence, stupidity or laziness. We are talking about a government here.
@chefmastershake The sad thing is when my 12 year old niece has to do a modern history report and if she searches for 9/11 through google, 100's of 1000's of hits are all fucking ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense. It makes me sick. Atleast one prominent UK truther has seen the light of day, Charlie Veitch, leader of the UK based "Love Police" has now seen his idiocy with regards to 911, the Twoofers are all calling him a paid shill, etc..etc. JREF has a thread dedicated to reformed twoofers.
@yay78900 what molten steel? molten METAL is expected in office fires, you should talk to some fire fighters...there was ZERO metallurgical tests done to any of the "molten metal" you cannot say "steel". Secondly, what do you think caused it? It's called intense SUSTAINED heat...neither THERMITE nor any traditional explosive does this. It's a logical fallacy from an argument of authority (namely steven "cold fusion" jones and dick "I make 80k off you idiots a year" gage)
No real discussion of building 7? or Norad standing down??? of the short selling of Airline options just before 9-11 that was traced back to a former highlevel CIA official??
I dont know, cause I wasnt there, but there are too many unanswered questions.
@jjcale1111 Typical conspiracy theorist--I'm going to question everything and dismiss every fact that is thrown my way. It's more believable that Obama was born in Kenya than 9/11 was an inside job. How about you truther shitbags work on finding his birth certificate.
@espo222 =D=D=D you can know nothing about physics and stuff , cuz when you see that in different little placers shit blew off ( not where the plane crashed into the towers ) . Also , Ant told Patrice that they planned for 5 years to get 19 guys with box cutters to dive the planes into the towers =D=D=D ... Now that sounds retarted :D:D .. Also You would guess that 100 people > 9/10 people with box cutters ( I would fight for my life , not stand by ... waiting to die .... )
@ugandaplayer You sound retarded. There was ANOTHER special on Nat Geo debunking every asinine theory that you morons have. Watch it. Up until 9/11, a hijacking was just a hijacking and the planes mostly landed so the people didn't think they were going to be flown into a building. When one of the planes found out what was happening, they did fight for their lives. But have fun in your tin foil hat in your basement, jacking off to Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura.
@espo222 also dude about the wtc falling . Do you know the definition of Newton's 3rd law ? (: ... And no1 listens to alex jones or jesse ventura :) ... NAT GEO is owned by ... whom ? Do your research ... Anyways I find very weird that people get so offensive over these stuff . You would get some clarity in your mind when you try to connect with yourself and have compasion for other people .. Perhaps it's to late but..Distracted by tv , gizmos , news , wars , conflicts ... Can you have clarity ?
@ugandaplayer Yeah, maaaaaaaaan. The man owns Nat Geo and the are implanting all of us with chips so they can track us, maaaaaaaan. You sound like the foolish video game playing, acid-dropping, pot smoking, anti-establishment douchebag that you are.
@espo222 its not like I said anything offensive to you , acting so "agressive" only proves my theory time and time again. Smart people ignore insane people.So I would doubt you are smart , and I am insane.You know what I say to kill the globalists ? Meet your neighbours , start communities , interract with each other , help eachother , do to others what you'd like to be done to you .... Try to be happy and make sense out of your life .. Is this insane talk ? .. Ok peace out ...
@Sinematics Exactly when have planes hit any buildings remotely similar to the Twin Towers? It was the first time. There's no precedent to 9/11 in scale.that's why it was so shocking to see, especially in America.
The initial explosions people heard on the bottom was the fireball from the plane that hit,that went down the elevator shafts caused glass to break and cause damage in the lobby...
The only thing I disagree with is the whole "They hate us for our freedom" argument. These people are stating specific policies that they are against. The leaders on both sides are blowing smoke up our asses with that lame excuse
@PyroHaven07 really..read the koran! what policies did we hindus have that caused muslim scumbags to destroy over 50,000 temples in INDIA?
what policies did we have that caused muslims to kill millions of hindus and enslave entire cultures ? what policies did black africans have that they should be sold to whitey? you need to stop sucking muslim diick! all this shit has happened b4...! funny how you libs hate pagans and indigenous peoples.always back fuckin muslims rights to kill us!!!
@GhettoAristocrat the same government that abolished slavery? the same goovt that wont allow whites to lynch your ass anymore ..the same govt that gives you fuckin welfare? why they gotta do any of that? grow some balls ...and go visit an islamic stae you prick..see how they like u drinking a 40 and smokin a blunt! stupid retard!
weaken steel making the kinetic energy used to lift that steel, office shit and what not up there move and dropped an inch or two that energy was enough to start the fall though it all. Also if you look up monckton we are change 9/11 he explains how the planes created the explosions in the basement which he didn't wanna hurt his base for agw argument by saying lol but basically watch any high speed camera action shows the vibrations that happen in fractions of seconds that radiate to the base.
Anybody that thinks a piece of the world trade center fell on building 7 and made it collapse demolition style should be deported and shot in the head
And talkiing about the the 9/11 commision report is like tryin to get straight answers from the bible.
@dslcobra - here is an analysis that should answer some of the questions you pose and is most definitely based in fact:
watch?v=IdvqqwLLcaE
Ron Avery is very much qualified (as are the thousands of architects, engineers and demolition experts) to break this down for us. the towers were definitely designed to take multiple 707/767 impacts and each support column was designed to support 2000% more than they did. those structures were tanks and HAD to be exploded from within to be brought down.
I agree with Anthony 100% and I genereally think all these 911 truthers are whack jobs, BUT one thing I WILL say IS possible YES, it is very possible the Bush Administration knew of a threat and YES did nothing, THAT I believe is a hell of a lot more possible then any of the thories.
@DroneDroid - anyone who does not examine evidence may think 9/11 truthers are 'whack jobs', but Bush and Cheney were WAY beyond complicit. Norad ran war games simulating attacks on the towers on 9/11 and had our fighter jets hundreds of miles away on purpose. thats why there were no fighters on 9/11 whereas payne stewart's plane had 4 fighters within 20 minutes of not responding...beyond that - examine the physics - architects and engineers have, watch Ron Avery here:
by the way - along with minute 3 of part 10/12 of the "Steven E Jones on Nanothermite" (which shows the thermite pouring out of a window), you should watch this series - around minute six of part 1/8 shows the steel columns clearly severed with shape charges - NANOTHERMITE CAN BE USED AS A SHAPE CHARGE! if the particles are small enough, the ignition becomes explosive. so along with the painted application, the columns were cut:
Every question is absolutely fair to ask and 99% of the journalism was nothing but shit, so be as sceptical as you wish! all of the questions about how the buildings fell and especially about the thermite in the dust are absolutely fair!
thats why i asked you to watch "Steven E. Jones on Nanothermite". he shows where the dust was recovered (lady who lived across the street), how it was tested and what they found in it. please watch the links i listed above - thats a good start for answers...
appreciated...and im definitely not trying to be offensive - its just pretty obvious that there is a similarity between 9/11 and the of operation northwoods plans. it was definitely used to invade afghanistan and iraq.
there are way too many holes - no fighter jets scrambled (payne stewart anyone?), thermite in the dust, they found passports but claim not to have found ANY of the 4 flight data/voice recorders which has ALSO NEVER HAPPENED IN HISTORY! THEY FIND THEM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN!
@dslcobra - btw, before you continue to try to discredit people instead of just considering the facts, you should really examine why you are attacking instead of seeking. i can see no reason to lash out at anyone who asks questions about why 3000 americans were murdered and why explosives were found at a crime scene that the government tried to cover up.
sorry sir, but william rodriguez is to be trusted, he worked at the trade centers for 30 years. he was there at the first bombing in 93.
you are full of bullshit and instead of focusing on seeking the truth, you seek to discredit me...and the only reason i can think why is that you are counter intelligence.
the dying first responders, most of the family members and 6 of the original 9/11 commissioners want a new investigation!
thanks but no thanks - you can do your own investigation as i have. i dont feel the need to justify myself to you. if you want to assume what the government tells you is the truth, feel free.
thermite was ALL OVER INTERIOR WALLS AND CEILINGS. they could have coated the beams with it too quite easily, but the center columns were destroyed from below.
ask william redriguez why he heard explosions from the basement levels BEFORE the plane impact. there were charges at the right spots for sure.
I absolutely can tell you it was thermite because i know how jet fuel (mostly kerosene), diesel and thermite burn. thermite flows like lava and can be clearly seen flowing out of windows in many videos.
there were also molten pools of metal found under the buildings near 2000 degrees months after the incident!
the dust ABSOLUTELY contains thermite residue and the steel columns would have shown evidence if they had not been criminally shipped across seas to china and elsewhere for destruction!
again - you make no sense - it is perfectly logical that they would wait for hours until people werent watching - less eyes of scrutiny. even a british reporter got the timing wrong - she reported it had collapsed 20 minutes prior to collapse and the building is shown in plain sight in the background!
they had plenty of anger - the towers were the symbol - WTC7 held the CIA, FBI and others, including the ENRON files for their prosecution and lots of other cute stuff that was blown up!
what you say is NEITHER obvious or reasonable. and yes - i did see crazy melting thermite flows pouring out of the windows - they werent 'charges' - they were applied uniformly across walls and ceilings to create lava-like flows that would cut through anything.
and YES - the center beams WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BEAR THE WEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE! that is the whole point of a box column center - a series of steel columns that create a square pattern in the middle of the tower.
Btw - I wish they would fly a fully fueled plane into a building they plan on destroying in vegas or wherever - maybe mythbusters or a private investigation of some sort. you would see that it would be literally impossible for 5 jets - let alone 1 jet to take down a steel structure - this is a fucking joke. you could do the math yourself and realize that there just isnt enough energy there. those beams are designed to withstand a shitload more abuse than a jet with full tanks of mostly kerosene!
WHAT ABOUT BUILDING #7? what about the thermite in the dust? those buildings were all designed to withstand multiple plane impacts - watch documentaries with the architects and engineers who designed the buildings. tons of architects and engineers agree that this is impossible without the assistance of explosives. it is unreasonable to think that this is all coincidental. why destroy the evidence? why no investigation for 2 years? why not swear an oath in public? why not testify alone? bullshit!
have you seen thermite burn? the jet fuel and other combustibles would have ignited it and it would have been evenly dispersed on all the interior walls - you can see it pouring out of windows in the videos. Once it starts reacting, it goes like a huge match head. IT CAN CUT STEEL & ITS IN THE DUST! you are speculating on the beams remaining at the bottom of the debris pile b/c they clearly show shape charges. you wont even mention building 7 because that was obviously a controlled demolition.
@dslcobra - so we are supposed to believe that the three first steel structure to fall from a fire IN HISTORY all fell within 12 hours of each other? that is ridiculous - there have been 60+ story buildings which have burned completely or 10 - 20 story sections over the course of more than 24 hours without a fall. this has NEVER happened to any other steel building. architects and engineers agree that it was impossible without controlled demolition. this is completely obvious at this point.
@CowardTerrorist - thermite can be mixed with paint and could have been applied over the course of years without anyone knowing anything. thermite is undeniable and thats why all of the debris was removed and destroyed or put in a land fill. anyone looking will also see that the steel columns were cut at a 45 degree angle with shape charges at the base - there are clear pictures. william rodriguez testifies that he heard these explosions from the basement prior to the plane impacts! inside job!
Anthony is a f*ckin' moron. Just take him out back 'n shoot him like he was Old Yellow @ Patrice. It'll be the Opie 'n Patrice Show from now on.
Moron said there's explosives in the basement. Explain why the building crumbled like a stale cookie before reaching the bottom floor then? Jackass.
It's like arguing with a retarded kid. Anthony is reading all the "official" reports 'n using that for his argument. What a stupid asshole. He probably thinks Bush was a good president.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I will say that it's ridiculous for anyone to totally disregard the possibility of the government's involvement in it. As I have said many times before, the gov't doesn't care about the American people. That said, I hope the people who believe the gov't WAS involved are wrong. Otherwise, we're more fucked than we already are.
It's impossible to make flight 77 vanish without a trace. Without being seen? It was seen, look up the pictures of plane wreckage on the pentagon lawn.
The most secure buildings are in the mountains or out in the desert. And I believe they have said they do have video of it but its not going to be released for a very long time.
there's no point in talking about this shit..you'll have the people that don't trust the government, and the people that love going around telling others that they're wrong when all they know is what they've been told to believe.
really? and the conspiracy theorists don't just blindly follow what they see in all of their little bullshit, convoluted, hole-filled movies? conspiracy theorists believe in any anti-government drivel they hear. I personally believe in engineering, physics, and common sense... call me a shill though...
Every truther argument is "well how do you explain this?" And the caliber of the argument is equivalent to "well if humans evolved from monkeys how come monkeys are still around?" Truthers use their intuition to analyze an event that has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE without knowing all that's necessary to know about architecture, chemistry, physics, demolitions, fire, geology, and airplanes to point out their "problems with the official story".
i dont kno what discredits Patrice even more; the fact that his explanation cant hold up to Anthony's defense, or the fact that a guy smackin his mouth while hes eatin is the one whos explanin all this
@heartyhoopz1184 True he sounds silly but the problem is they found molten steel in there.... not bent steel, but *molten*. And guess what, they found shit from the metal columns.... they vaporized; "weaken the structure?" no my friend there was nothing left from those steel columns or anything else :))) but, hold on.... one of the terrorists' passport was found untouched :D
I think its interesting that ppl comment on this page about Patrice ONeal, but some how ignored what Anthony said.
The top of one of the towers came down and hit the front-bottom of WTC 7, burned for a while and then the building came down.
People whove been taken by conspiracy theories are no more or less retarded than those whove been taken by the Official story. Were so black/white in this country. You either have to believe everything or nothing at all.
Neither one of these guys has a clue about the towers' construction or building construction in general, so their arguments are factually wrong on both sides. Patrice comes off like an idiot, but Anthony doesn't have the technical background to refute his crazy theories. The scientific explanation of the towers' collapse by Gene Corley is sound, the back story is what should be debated.
God I feel embarrassed for Ant sometimes. B29? What does a WW2 bomber have to do with anything. Ant seriously, you need more reliable material. I think you're confusing Jane's series with Archie comics and History Channel with video games.
he meant a b-25, which is also a ww2 plane. a b-25 crashed into the empire state building in 1945, which they were talking about. you're a douche, and an ignorant douche at that. way to rag on someone for something you didnt understand in the first place.
I love how these guys trust the 9/11 commision report (more like omission) like it has any truth what so ever, the head of the CIA, Department of Defence, and DO-Justice said on record for the commision to not dig too deep, perhaps to find our the REAL truth? besides if a country is willing to kill a MILLION civilians in Iraq you dont think they'd kill 3000 of its own citizens because they're on "our" team?
bmwservice1 2 weeks ago
B-25
sickboiswagger 3 weeks ago
the top of one of the towers hit building 7? i guess they forgot to mention that in the commission report... oh well, minor detail, as long as no one questions it
yay78900 1 month ago
Anthony IS wrong it was a B-25 bomber.
anewlow23 1 month ago
yes they did plant the bombs because they told ppl to leave a week before the attacks for "construction, and this dumbass wants us to read something the government themselves wrote, fuckin moron.
Peruviankokane 1 month ago 2
@Peruviankokane Detroit's JL Hudson Department store building was about 440 feet tall. It took Controlled Demolitions Inc. 24 days working around the clock to plant over 4000 charges needed to demolish that building. WTC 1 and 2 are much taller and better made structures. If what you said is true about the week long evacuation, explain to me how they could plant more than 4000 bombs within seven days.
TheBigSuegroski 1 month ago
wow Anthony's ignorance is embarrassing
krumbumm 1 month ago
LMFAO! Yeah ok Anthony. At 3:20, you say that all that debris from one of the towers hit Building 7 and made it fall down. IN A PERFECT SYMMETRICAL COLLAPSE??? Bwahahahahahaha! This fucking retard will believe anything. Opie and Dopey pretty much got bought out by the Zionist Jew controlled media to cover all the 9/11 bullshit. These guys need to get fucked in their vaginas. Seriously.
Sambuca6178 2 months ago
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911 was an inside job...
IN MY PANTS!!!
aqweaqweaqweaqweaqwe 2 months ago
Ant always asks for evidence for 9/11 conspiracys, and where the fuck does he get his facts from mainstream media? that alone should disqualify him asking for evidence
UFCfanboy7898 2 months ago
i think anthony won only because patrice is annoying me by talking and chewing
Mattskito529 2 months ago
Anthony is so naive.
PaindontHurt1 3 months ago
no jet plans hit 7 lol
staples341534 3 months ago
BUILDING NO. 7
617whitey 3 months ago
I think all conspiracy theorists are just faggots who want to be different. They know its absurd, or they are just mentally ill but they are just cocksuckers who want attention and want to feel important and believing some absurd shit like the government planting bombs in the buildings and fakeing phone calls from familly members give them a false sense of importance
chicagodude8888 3 months ago
lol ill show you a refrigirator that explodes...yea whos being crazy now
BrokenMegaMan 4 months ago
lets go into the desert build one just like it and run a plane into it lol that should solve the debate!
BrokenMegaMan 4 months ago
if just the top fell you think the rest of the building would of held maybe only collapsed half way.
thats eithe blown down or the worst construction ive ever seen
BrokenMegaMan 4 months ago
Listen to the people who were there that day. Not the NIST report, not the news reporters, not the naysayers who believe that the US never would let anything harmful happen to innocents.
Anyone remember Operation Northwoods?
Gulf of Tonkin?
USS Maine attack?
Remember when Clinton lied to our faces over a blowjob?
unshutoptic1 5 months ago 5
@unshutoptic1 Very nicely put
111lightbulb 2 months ago
Ha who benefits from 911....... and some how we lost our rights ...so welcome the NWO...its funny that 10 years to the day 9/11/91 Bush announced the NWO at the same time the towers collapsed 10 years later ..it's strange how tv can influence your perception through repetition ...drilling it's propaganda to make you content with their side of the story..REALLY molten steel found weeks after the buildings fell...
crukfromupabove 6 months ago
wow patrice .. . u fat fuck, u cant wait to eat until after the fucking radio show?
keggerous 6 months ago
All u ppl saying Steve Jone's "research paper" prove thermite was present should know that he was fired from his university research job for being a wacko . . . none of his colleages agree with his non-sense. read the reviews of his paper and learn what other researchers think cuz its not flattering for Steve
keggerous 6 months ago
How would L.E.R. would be able to tell the difference between molten steel and other molten metals present on buildings?
But I have a question then...an explosive like C4 is not a fuel, it does not burn to the point of melting steel either, If you say that there were bombs planted how would C4 or any other explosive melt steel? Because there was no molten steel, there was no source of heat present that would melt steel.
daar22284 7 months ago
that black guy is an arrogant cunt. At 8 mins, you can hear him stuffing his face with food. What a rude prick.
BrightDigitalProduct 7 months ago
You must be retarded to post a clip with such poor audio quality
cdub61208 7 months ago
this guy Anthony is sweating Gov Kool Aid!
genkijin 8 months ago
Are the numbers important?
RhettWright 8 months ago
Here is World Trade Center Structural Engineer saying he saw molten steel after 9/11 watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs The presence of molten steel is a FACT which cannot be explained the official story which means people like you have to LIE about its existence.
niverent 8 months ago
I almost forgot Anthony does chemical engineering, physics and architechture projects in his spare time. Shutup you greasy Italian mouthpiece.
phlyersphan25 8 months ago
That's just a flat out lie when O or A says that the 9/11 report stated where the money came from. The 911 comm. report specifically states that they did NOT find where the money came from.
niverent 8 months ago
Patrice fucking owns these guys. A refrigerator exploded? Are your fucking morons serious?
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent Do you know what was in the towers? Pro tip: Explosions does not mean BOMBS.
Stuff that was in towers that explodes:
Electrical Transformers: /watch?v=oDLzgZdt8ZM /watch?v=sngiPk6sTBs
Fire Extinguishers: /watch?v=jSy1wTzWdxk <--this is in a SERVER room, how many were in the WTC?
Other electrical explosions: youtube.com/watch?v=_2LpCdhuOyQ
No what else firefighters said sounded like bombs? The jumpers. No what else makes loud bangs? Elevator cables snapping, dropping the cars
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 You can't hear a refrigerator explode from the street. Jumpers don't sound like explosions. Elevator cables snapping don't make explosions. You are in denial. Plain and simple.
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent Watch the 9/11 doc from the Naudet brothers in it's entirety, specifically the part where they're in the lobby of WTC 1 when jumpers start hitting the facades and overhangs. The noise they make is deafening to the point all the firefighters react suddenly and say they know it's the jumpers. Find one video post impact pre collapse that has sounds of explosions you can hear on the street. There aren't any. The witness testimony is from within the buildings. Face it, you're wrong.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=channel_video_title
Are you calling those NY Firefighters liars? They aren't talking about jumpers...they are talking about secondary explosions. So are YOU calling those NY FIREFIGHTERS liars???
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent No I'm not calling them liars, they also do not agree with your assesment and hate the fact that "truthers" cherry pick their quotes to support their idiocy. Again, get it through your thick skull, EXPLOSION does NOT mean BOMB. Lots of things cause explosions as has been shown and proven, you're just so stuck on this inside job bullshit that you can't see through your own idiocy. He even says in that video ("the 3rd explosion, the collapse") comprehend it moron.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 He (NY Firefighter) called it a "secondary explosion." Not a fucking cable snapping. Not a fucking body hitting the pavement. So yes, you oz1976, are calling the three NY fighters liars in this video:
watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=channel_video_title
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent You have no clue. No I'm not. Go watch the ENTIRE Naudet documentary. Go watch the ENTIRE "On Native Soil" documentary. Go watch the ENTIRE "Inside the World Trade Center" documentary. For the last time, get it through your puny little brain, EXPLOSIONS DOES NOT MEAN BOMBS!!!!! This has been proven, and not one firefighter that survived that day says bombs were planted, they say "it was LIKE a bomb". Keyword there, LIKE, go look up what a SIMILE is. Idiot.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 No, I am merely reporting what the firemen say. You are the one adding your own meaning to the words. So here is the fact: there were numerous secondary explosions that took place and were heard at the WTC on 9/11.
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent No I'm adding what they said in later interviews when they were informed about the idiotic CT's about 911. Not one said "I saw a bomb there". Explosion does not mean BOMB. For the last time. There were no impacts on the steal outside of the impact zone that would indicate explosives. There was no residue of any explosive found. Thermite is NOT an explosive, it does NOT explode. It's an incendiary. Get over it. They were describing what it was like, not what it was. Cherry pick more.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 I never said explosion means bomb you fucking moron. Again, do you concede that NY Firemen reported secondary explosions on 9/11? Yes or no. Here is an example again in case you missed it the first time: watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=channel_video_title
niverent 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Can nanothermite be used as an explosive? Yes or no?
niverent 8 months ago
@Oz1976 There was nothing about the steel that would indicate the use of explosives? How about the fact that there was molten steel? Jet fuel can't melt steel. Normal office fires can't melt steel. So what the fuck did melt the steel?
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent 1) There was no molten steel, there was molten metal which can be attributed to 100's of other materials, especially aluminum, which was plentiful in the buildings and melts at a much lower temp.
2) Molten metal is not a characteristic of explosive damage.
3) Jet Fuel was the fire initiator, not what kept the fires burning. There was a multitude of flammable materials inside those buildings. The steel softened, it didn't melt.
/watch?v=DzTEIqkZKIM < explosives dont do this
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Yes there was molten steel: watch?v=zt-KgVFIa9c
If your case is so strong, then how come all you do is LIE about the FACTS?
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent What does that video prove except that there wasn't molten steel? Pray tell how the pic at 0:13 of the video proves molten steel? 1) if it was molten the excavator would not have been able to pick it up. 2) if it was molten the excavator would have sieze up and the claw would have melted. The hydraulics would have fuzed. You, like the idiot that made that video, doesn't have a clue. Thermite does not work the way you hope it does. Firefighters aren't metallurgists.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Let me get this straight. In your fantasy world this video watch?v=zt-KgVFIa9c proves that there wasn't molten steel?
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent No, in your fantasy world it proves there is, in reality it proves there isn't. The photo at 13 seconds is proof enough. Ask any of the CDI or Implosionworld experts that were there during recovery. If the steel in that grappler was molten, if it was that hot, it would have melted the grapple on the excavator. It would have siezed up the hydraulics. It's RED HOT, it is not MOLTEN. The only video evidence of ANYTHING molten is ALUMINUM.
I'm done with you, you're too stupid to continue
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 This video shows evidence of molten steel watch?v=zt-KgVFIa9c. Its there for anyone to see. You deny this evidence because you are in denial. Even Leslie Robertson said there was molten steel watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent You've posted that first vid link 3 times to me now...it does NOT prove molten steel. As I have ALREADY said in the previous response and debunked. Get it through your thick head. Leslie Robertson is not a metallurgist, he was talking off the cuff, "a little river..." With the amount of steel that was there, in the IMMEDIATE area, it would have been a LARGE river...why did it not solidify the minute they opened the wall? Oh, cause it wasn't fucking steel. And, thermite couldn't do that
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 So you admit that Leslie Robertson said he saw a river of molten steel at the WTC?
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent So you admit you're a whack job truther who still believes thermite can fuel fires for weeks after initiation?
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 So you refuse to admit that Leslie Robertson saw a river of molten steel at WTC? Its a simple yes or not question...why won't you answer it? watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent No, see, you fail to comprehend anything. I refuse to answer the question because you keep moving the goal posts. I said posts ago I'm done with you. Leslie Robertson, has printed his own accounts of the tower and 7 collapses...
(nae . edu/Publications/Bridge/EngineeringandHomelandSecurity/ReflectionsontheWorldTradeCenter . aspx)
(nae . edu/File . aspx?id=7345)
He was simply saying what others had told him, he did not test the material. And it was over a week after the event.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 The bottom line is that you refuse to admit that according to Leslie Robertson (and others) there was molten steel at the WTC. Here he is saying it: watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs Your refusal to admit it just proves you are in denial of the facts.
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent The bottom line is there was no molten steel, whether he initially said it or not is irrelevant. One could not stand next to a "river of molten steel" in the area they were in the sublevels, the heat would have been excrutiating, There was no molten steel, thermite doesn't make molten steel, you're wrong, get over it.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Oh ok, so you are saying that Leslie Robertson was wrong about what he saw here watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs You are also saying that the firemen who said they saw rivers of molten steel were also wrong. I get it. You, who wasn't there, feel for some bizarre fucking reason that you are in a position to tell people that were there that they didn't really see what they claimed to have seen.
niverent 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Office fires sure as fuck don't melt steel. Themite does. How can you tell such moronic lies???
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent You're an idiot. Office fires without retardant certainly can weaken steel. No steel was melted or molten. And again, no Thermite does NOT melt steel it slags it, and it certainly doesn't make it molten to the point it "flows like a river". It does not have the sustainability to do that....Fuel (even plastics) + heat + oxygen burning beneath tons of debris added by compression and steam (proven from the busted water mains) is what sustained the heat, not thermite. You're an idiot.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 You are a liar. You are lying about there not being molten steel. Leslie Robertson himself says he saw it here: watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs There is additional evidence here including firefighters who also saw rivers of molten steel here: watch?v=t-XA0Rv1Ng8&feature=channel_video_title
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent No I'm not. There was molten METAL, not steel, no metalurgical tests were done on those "pools" and the temperatures were not sufficient to make pools of molten steel. Roberston was mistaken as to what he saw, as were the firefighters who were unqualified, it's rational that they were mistaken given the chaos and devistation they were confronted with. There was no molten steel, no proof of molten steel, the only liar here is you. This shit was debunked in 2006 and you still cling to it
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Nope. Leslie Robertson said it was molten steel as did countless other witnesses. There was even a sample of steel that FEMA analyzed which had been melted, and the NY Times also reported steel had been melted. All you can do is lie about this fact. No legititmate counter arguments. Just lies and denial. Interesting.
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent You're a fucking idiot. The only liar is you. Come spew this shit on JREF, I dare you. "Molten Steel" was debunked 6 years ago and you can't let it go, even when all the major other "truth" pushers have. Good job on being 6 years behind the curve. If you want to debate this further come to the JREF forum.
(forums.randi . org/forumdisplay .php?f=64)
But considering how SURE of yourself you are and how dumb, I doubt you will.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 The way they "debunked" the molten steel six years ago was by claiming that Leslie Robertson didn't actually say it, but he did say it. Here is him saying it: watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
(Part of the significance of that video is that the JREFers claimed that he didn't actually say it. Just lie after lie after lie from the "debunkers." Why is that?)
niverent 8 months ago
@niverent You're an idiot and completely delusional.
(forums.randi . org/forumdisplay .php?f=64)
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Ramen brother, Randy and the JREF rule. I used to believe in these conspiracies until I studied both sides and my mind was changed. A lot of fucked up shit happened that day but never blame on malice what can be explained by incompetence, stupidity or laziness. We are talking about a government here.
chefmastershake 6 months ago
@chefmastershake The sad thing is when my 12 year old niece has to do a modern history report and if she searches for 9/11 through google, 100's of 1000's of hits are all fucking ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense. It makes me sick. Atleast one prominent UK truther has seen the light of day, Charlie Veitch, leader of the UK based "Love Police" has now seen his idiocy with regards to 911, the Twoofers are all calling him a paid shill, etc..etc. JREF has a thread dedicated to reformed twoofers.
Oz1976 6 months ago
@Oz1976 then where did the molten steel come from?
yay78900 1 month ago
@yay78900 what molten steel? molten METAL is expected in office fires, you should talk to some fire fighters...there was ZERO metallurgical tests done to any of the "molten metal" you cannot say "steel". Secondly, what do you think caused it? It's called intense SUSTAINED heat...neither THERMITE nor any traditional explosive does this. It's a logical fallacy from an argument of authority (namely steven "cold fusion" jones and dick "I make 80k off you idiots a year" gage)
Oz1976 1 month ago
@niverent what explosive can melt steel?
daar22284 7 months ago
@daar22284 Are you saying office fires melted steel?
niverent 7 months ago
LMAO "There's a problem with the AC and I have to plant some C4 in the motherfucker"
BURNINATOR8 9 months ago
I think everything was just a freak accident.
jiggy14 9 months ago
Patrice is a moron.
popup82 10 months ago
Anthony is a fuckin retarded koolaid drinkin cunt!!!
Latimore86 11 months ago
@Latimore86 youre a sandniggers cum drinking pale ugly atheistic white faggot ,u screeching arab scarf wearing communist cunt
wdsftygt 11 months ago
20 minutes so far.......
Pulpedtoafiction31 11 months ago
Patrice is eloquent and concise as usual lol.
LAPunk1986 11 months ago
patrice doesnt understand that we have SOOOO many terror threats that we cant investigate every single threat....some are bound to get through
elitexc4life 1 year ago
No real discussion of building 7? or Norad standing down??? of the short selling of Airline options just before 9-11 that was traced back to a former highlevel CIA official??
I dont know, cause I wasnt there, but there are too many unanswered questions.
jjcale1111 1 year ago
@jjcale1111 Typical conspiracy theorist--I'm going to question everything and dismiss every fact that is thrown my way. It's more believable that Obama was born in Kenya than 9/11 was an inside job. How about you truther shitbags work on finding his birth certificate.
espo222 1 year ago
@espo222 =D=D=D you can know nothing about physics and stuff , cuz when you see that in different little placers shit blew off ( not where the plane crashed into the towers ) . Also , Ant told Patrice that they planned for 5 years to get 19 guys with box cutters to dive the planes into the towers =D=D=D ... Now that sounds retarted :D:D .. Also You would guess that 100 people > 9/10 people with box cutters ( I would fight for my life , not stand by ... waiting to die .... )
ugandaplayer 9 months ago
@ugandaplayer You sound retarded. There was ANOTHER special on Nat Geo debunking every asinine theory that you morons have. Watch it. Up until 9/11, a hijacking was just a hijacking and the planes mostly landed so the people didn't think they were going to be flown into a building. When one of the planes found out what was happening, they did fight for their lives. But have fun in your tin foil hat in your basement, jacking off to Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura.
espo222 9 months ago
@espo222 also dude about the wtc falling . Do you know the definition of Newton's 3rd law ? (: ... And no1 listens to alex jones or jesse ventura :) ... NAT GEO is owned by ... whom ? Do your research ... Anyways I find very weird that people get so offensive over these stuff . You would get some clarity in your mind when you try to connect with yourself and have compasion for other people .. Perhaps it's to late but..Distracted by tv , gizmos , news , wars , conflicts ... Can you have clarity ?
ugandaplayer 9 months ago
@ugandaplayer Yeah, maaaaaaaaan. The man owns Nat Geo and the are implanting all of us with chips so they can track us, maaaaaaaan. You sound like the foolish video game playing, acid-dropping, pot smoking, anti-establishment douchebag that you are.
espo222 9 months ago
@espo222 its not like I said anything offensive to you , acting so "agressive" only proves my theory time and time again. Smart people ignore insane people.So I would doubt you are smart , and I am insane.You know what I say to kill the globalists ? Meet your neighbours , start communities , interract with each other , help eachother , do to others what you'd like to be done to you .... Try to be happy and make sense out of your life .. Is this insane talk ? .. Ok peace out ...
ugandaplayer 9 months ago
Why the FUCK is Patrice eating on the radio. You fat fucking piece of shit wait until a commercial.
howardthecoward07 1 year ago
@Sinematics Exactly when have planes hit any buildings remotely similar to the Twin Towers? It was the first time. There's no precedent to 9/11 in scale.that's why it was so shocking to see, especially in America.
LAPunk1986 1 year ago
btw jet planes have hit buildings before....
Sinamatics 1 year ago
The initial explosions people heard on the bottom was the fireball from the plane that hit,that went down the elevator shafts caused glass to break and cause damage in the lobby...
ThaWiseJester 1 year ago
Lol @ the idea that every floor was planted with tons of bombing materials on a weekend or two...
ThaWiseJester 1 year ago
I partly agree with anthony but also with patrice.
Patrice is just bringing up the wrong subjects.
skulljoint 1 year ago
Thank you Anthony.
Moflo 1 year ago
The only thing I disagree with is the whole "They hate us for our freedom" argument. These people are stating specific policies that they are against. The leaders on both sides are blowing smoke up our asses with that lame excuse
PyroHaven07 1 year ago
@PyroHaven07 really..read the koran! what policies did we hindus have that caused muslim scumbags to destroy over 50,000 temples in INDIA?
what policies did we have that caused muslims to kill millions of hindus and enslave entire cultures ? what policies did black africans have that they should be sold to whitey? you need to stop sucking muslim diick! all this shit has happened b4...! funny how you libs hate pagans and indigenous peoples.always back fuckin muslims rights to kill us!!!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 1 year ago
Ant is covering for his zionist employers.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
So ant believes the official story by the same government he claims is out to take away his rights? fucking hairplugs really skew his judgement
GhettoAristocrat 1 year ago
@GhettoAristocrat the same government that abolished slavery? the same goovt that wont allow whites to lynch your ass anymore ..the same govt that gives you fuckin welfare? why they gotta do any of that? grow some balls ...and go visit an islamic stae you prick..see how they like u drinking a 40 and smokin a blunt! stupid retard!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 1 year ago
weaken steel making the kinetic energy used to lift that steel, office shit and what not up there move and dropped an inch or two that energy was enough to start the fall though it all. Also if you look up monckton we are change 9/11 he explains how the planes created the explosions in the basement which he didn't wanna hurt his base for agw argument by saying lol but basically watch any high speed camera action shows the vibrations that happen in fractions of seconds that radiate to the base.
maj1kninja07 1 year ago
"theres a problem with the air conditioner, so i have to put C4 in it"
lol.
NeckPickup 1 year ago
It satisfies me so much when ant and opie destroy the ridiculous 9/11 theories.
coldbedsheets 1 year ago
Why can't people say who knows? Just say we don't know and even if we do we don't.
McNugget06 1 year ago
why is patrice always eating in every video i watch??? fatass
whutitdew51 1 year ago
I could debunk anthony with ease i wish Patrice did his hw
itztone23 1 year ago
patrice knew he was wrong and just trys to yell over anthony. fuck that
rezmoneynwkubs 1 year ago
THERMITE PAINT!!
LikwidSnake 1 year ago
God bless Anthony, but trying to reason with truthers is impossible and a waste of time.
mth03d 1 year ago
Why is this stupid nigger chewing?
naughtyfeline 1 year ago
THERMITE PAINT!
LikwidSnake 1 year ago
Bunch of fucking sheople on here
No wonder its so damn easy to fool us
Anybody that thinks a piece of the world trade center fell on building 7 and made it collapse demolition style should be deported and shot in the head
And talkiing about the the 9/11 commision report is like tryin to get straight answers from the bible.
Peace sheople
B4S2010 1 year ago
@B4S2010 kill yourself
mynameisJG 1 year ago
@mynameisJG
Nice comeback...
B4S2010 1 year ago
@dslcobra - here is an analysis that should answer some of the questions you pose and is most definitely based in fact:
watch?v=IdvqqwLLcaE
Ron Avery is very much qualified (as are the thousands of architects, engineers and demolition experts) to break this down for us. the towers were definitely designed to take multiple 707/767 impacts and each support column was designed to support 2000% more than they did. those structures were tanks and HAD to be exploded from within to be brought down.
avcolo 1 year ago
I agree with Anthony 100% and I genereally think all these 911 truthers are whack jobs, BUT one thing I WILL say IS possible YES, it is very possible the Bush Administration knew of a threat and YES did nothing, THAT I believe is a hell of a lot more possible then any of the thories.
DroneDroid 1 year ago
@DroneDroid - anyone who does not examine evidence may think 9/11 truthers are 'whack jobs', but Bush and Cheney were WAY beyond complicit. Norad ran war games simulating attacks on the towers on 9/11 and had our fighter jets hundreds of miles away on purpose. thats why there were no fighters on 9/11 whereas payne stewart's plane had 4 fighters within 20 minutes of not responding...beyond that - examine the physics - architects and engineers have, watch Ron Avery here:
watch?v=IdvqqwLLcaE
avcolo 1 year ago
by the way - along with minute 3 of part 10/12 of the "Steven E Jones on Nanothermite" (which shows the thermite pouring out of a window), you should watch this series - around minute six of part 1/8 shows the steel columns clearly severed with shape charges - NANOTHERMITE CAN BE USED AS A SHAPE CHARGE! if the particles are small enough, the ignition becomes explosive. so along with the painted application, the columns were cut:
watch?v=H4ID99dSBWY&feature=related
there is too much evidence.
avcolo 1 year ago
Every question is absolutely fair to ask and 99% of the journalism was nothing but shit, so be as sceptical as you wish! all of the questions about how the buildings fell and especially about the thermite in the dust are absolutely fair!
thats why i asked you to watch "Steven E. Jones on Nanothermite". he shows where the dust was recovered (lady who lived across the street), how it was tested and what they found in it. please watch the links i listed above - thats a good start for answers...
avcolo 1 year ago
appreciated...and im definitely not trying to be offensive - its just pretty obvious that there is a similarity between 9/11 and the of operation northwoods plans. it was definitely used to invade afghanistan and iraq.
there are way too many holes - no fighter jets scrambled (payne stewart anyone?), thermite in the dust, they found passports but claim not to have found ANY of the 4 flight data/voice recorders which has ALSO NEVER HAPPENED IN HISTORY! THEY FIND THEM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN!
avcolo 1 year ago
@dslcobra - btw, before you continue to try to discredit people instead of just considering the facts, you should really examine why you are attacking instead of seeking. i can see no reason to lash out at anyone who asks questions about why 3000 americans were murdered and why explosives were found at a crime scene that the government tried to cover up.
sorry sir, but william rodriguez is to be trusted, he worked at the trade centers for 30 years. he was there at the first bombing in 93.
avcolo 1 year ago
you are full of bullshit and instead of focusing on seeking the truth, you seek to discredit me...and the only reason i can think why is that you are counter intelligence.
the dying first responders, most of the family members and 6 of the original 9/11 commissioners want a new investigation!
if you want some more evidence, start here:
Dr. Steven Jones talking about thermite:
watch?v=wNo71hKqmBg
watch?v=b4K08T2GwK4
watch?v=LDVWlUy0BWo&feature=PlayList&p=1BA16A673C07ED1E&index=0&playnext=1
avcolo 1 year ago
thanks but no thanks - you can do your own investigation as i have. i dont feel the need to justify myself to you. if you want to assume what the government tells you is the truth, feel free.
thermite was ALL OVER INTERIOR WALLS AND CEILINGS. they could have coated the beams with it too quite easily, but the center columns were destroyed from below.
ask william redriguez why he heard explosions from the basement levels BEFORE the plane impact. there were charges at the right spots for sure.
avcolo 1 year ago
I absolutely can tell you it was thermite because i know how jet fuel (mostly kerosene), diesel and thermite burn. thermite flows like lava and can be clearly seen flowing out of windows in many videos.
there were also molten pools of metal found under the buildings near 2000 degrees months after the incident!
the dust ABSOLUTELY contains thermite residue and the steel columns would have shown evidence if they had not been criminally shipped across seas to china and elsewhere for destruction!
avcolo 1 year ago
again - you make no sense - it is perfectly logical that they would wait for hours until people werent watching - less eyes of scrutiny. even a british reporter got the timing wrong - she reported it had collapsed 20 minutes prior to collapse and the building is shown in plain sight in the background!
they had plenty of anger - the towers were the symbol - WTC7 held the CIA, FBI and others, including the ENRON files for their prosecution and lots of other cute stuff that was blown up!
wake up!
avcolo 1 year ago
what you say is NEITHER obvious or reasonable. and yes - i did see crazy melting thermite flows pouring out of the windows - they werent 'charges' - they were applied uniformly across walls and ceilings to create lava-like flows that would cut through anything.
and YES - the center beams WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BEAR THE WEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE! that is the whole point of a box column center - a series of steel columns that create a square pattern in the middle of the tower.
inside job!
avcolo 1 year ago
Btw - I wish they would fly a fully fueled plane into a building they plan on destroying in vegas or wherever - maybe mythbusters or a private investigation of some sort. you would see that it would be literally impossible for 5 jets - let alone 1 jet to take down a steel structure - this is a fucking joke. you could do the math yourself and realize that there just isnt enough energy there. those beams are designed to withstand a shitload more abuse than a jet with full tanks of mostly kerosene!
avcolo 1 year ago
WHAT ABOUT BUILDING #7? what about the thermite in the dust? those buildings were all designed to withstand multiple plane impacts - watch documentaries with the architects and engineers who designed the buildings. tons of architects and engineers agree that this is impossible without the assistance of explosives. it is unreasonable to think that this is all coincidental. why destroy the evidence? why no investigation for 2 years? why not swear an oath in public? why not testify alone? bullshit!
avcolo 1 year ago
have you seen thermite burn? the jet fuel and other combustibles would have ignited it and it would have been evenly dispersed on all the interior walls - you can see it pouring out of windows in the videos. Once it starts reacting, it goes like a huge match head. IT CAN CUT STEEL & ITS IN THE DUST! you are speculating on the beams remaining at the bottom of the debris pile b/c they clearly show shape charges. you wont even mention building 7 because that was obviously a controlled demolition.
avcolo 1 year ago
@dslcobra - so we are supposed to believe that the three first steel structure to fall from a fire IN HISTORY all fell within 12 hours of each other? that is ridiculous - there have been 60+ story buildings which have burned completely or 10 - 20 story sections over the course of more than 24 hours without a fall. this has NEVER happened to any other steel building. architects and engineers agree that it was impossible without controlled demolition. this is completely obvious at this point.
avcolo 1 year ago
@XtraTrstrl, "old yellow?" the dog? i think that just might be OLD YELLER.
tuttwith2ts 1 year ago
there is a video that shows thermite which is used on controlled demolition. Enough said only proof needed.
CowardTerrorist 1 year ago
@CowardTerrorist - thermite can be mixed with paint and could have been applied over the course of years without anyone knowing anything. thermite is undeniable and thats why all of the debris was removed and destroyed or put in a land fill. anyone looking will also see that the steel columns were cut at a 45 degree angle with shape charges at the base - there are clear pictures. william rodriguez testifies that he heard these explosions from the basement prior to the plane impacts! inside job!
avcolo 1 year ago
GOOGLE: ACE ELEVATOR RENOVATION 9 MONTHS PRIOR TO 9/11
you ppl don't have a goddamn clue.
LiarsNightmare 1 year ago
"Brick.." your HEAD is a fucking BRICK.
LiarsNightmare 1 year ago
No kidding, still does not explain building number 7
CowardTerrorist 1 year ago
Anthony Cumia: ABSOLUTE FUCKING IDIOT.
LiarsNightmare 1 year ago
this anthony dude is very closed minded
StrictlyTreezEnt 2 years ago
Anthony is a f*ckin' moron. Just take him out back 'n shoot him like he was Old Yellow @ Patrice. It'll be the Opie 'n Patrice Show from now on.
Moron said there's explosives in the basement. Explain why the building crumbled like a stale cookie before reaching the bottom floor then? Jackass.
It's like arguing with a retarded kid. Anthony is reading all the "official" reports 'n using that for his argument. What a stupid asshole. He probably thinks Bush was a good president.
XtraTrstrL 2 years ago
So you think he should be killed cause he doesn't agree with your retarded view point? righto
NeroTheAtheist 2 years ago
jesus fuck is that nigger stupid
griffonstink 2 years ago
I'm not sure what to believe, but I will say that it's ridiculous for anyone to totally disregard the possibility of the government's involvement in it. As I have said many times before, the gov't doesn't care about the American people. That said, I hope the people who believe the gov't WAS involved are wrong. Otherwise, we're more fucked than we already are.
vega1992 2 years ago
No shit the govt doesnt care about the people but that doesnt mean 9/11 was a conspiracy in any way
SWEP2AOTC2002 2 years ago
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29render 2 years ago
Footage of the pentagon crash has been released ages ago and there are pictures of plane debris at the pentagon site.
Even if there wasn't that evidence it's still fucking impossible for flight 77 to fucking disappear into thin air.
SocialBotch 2 years ago
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29render 2 years ago
It's impossible to make flight 77 vanish without a trace. Without being seen? It was seen, look up the pictures of plane wreckage on the pentagon lawn.
SocialBotch 2 years ago
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29render 2 years ago
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29render 2 years ago
The most secure buildings are in the mountains or out in the desert. And I believe they have said they do have video of it but its not going to be released for a very long time.
SJ267 2 years ago
WTC #7 fall down onto itself
debunking911 (dot) com / pull (dot) htm
Video has been released for the pentagon
Sorry its not good enough for your expert standards
SWEP2AOTC2002 2 years ago
you just made my point for me you shitdick!
29render 2 years ago
there's no point in talking about this shit..you'll have the people that don't trust the government, and the people that love going around telling others that they're wrong when all they know is what they've been told to believe.
nsewx 2 years ago
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nsewx 2 years ago
nsexw-
really? and the conspiracy theorists don't just blindly follow what they see in all of their little bullshit, convoluted, hole-filled movies? conspiracy theorists believe in any anti-government drivel they hear. I personally believe in engineering, physics, and common sense... call me a shill though...
TheTitMonster 2 years ago
i agree with anthony.....even if the goverment did it..they would have just placed bombs in it and not have made a huge thing out of it
fms3626471 2 years ago 4
The building had the 1st ever complete power-down the weekend before 9/11, with people fitting a new 'phone system' while all the security was down!
I'm open-minded, but where did sulphur come from in the bottom of wtcs?
daManDRAK 2 years ago
Every truther argument is "well how do you explain this?" And the caliber of the argument is equivalent to "well if humans evolved from monkeys how come monkeys are still around?" Truthers use their intuition to analyze an event that has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE without knowing all that's necessary to know about architecture, chemistry, physics, demolitions, fire, geology, and airplanes to point out their "problems with the official story".
DeimosSaturn 2 years ago
I'll give Patrice a pass for this. I was kinda like him until I read that Popular Mechanics book discrediting most of the conspiracy theories.
MDoggDX316 2 years ago
i dont kno what discredits Patrice even more; the fact that his explanation cant hold up to Anthony's defense, or the fact that a guy smackin his mouth while hes eatin is the one whos explanin all this
K4800M3R5 2 years ago
i love patrice, but wow he sounds stupid right now
ant is KILLING him
heartyhoopz1184 2 years ago 8
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thorbrand 1 year ago
@heartyhoopz1184 True he sounds silly but the problem is they found molten steel in there.... not bent steel, but *molten*. And guess what, they found shit from the metal columns.... they vaporized; "weaken the structure?" no my friend there was nothing left from those steel columns or anything else :))) but, hold on.... one of the terrorists' passport was found untouched :D
thorbrand 1 year ago
@thorbrand THEY FOUND VAPORIZED SHIT?????? How does one do that? What technology can find things that POOF!!! and disappear???? Too funny!!!!
joeysmom6074 1 year ago
@joeysmom6074 stay offline please, thanks.
thorbrand 1 year ago
@thorbrand Why?? Did I make you FEEL as stupid as your statement was?? LMAO
joeysmom6074 1 year ago
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@joeysmom6074 "they found shit from the metal columns.... they vaporized" = THEY FOUND VAPORIZED SHIT??????
Is eng your first language? doens't seem so....
No you didn't make me feel anything but pitty for one more idiot out there on utube...
thorbrand 1 year ago
I think its interesting that ppl comment on this page about Patrice ONeal, but some how ignored what Anthony said.
The top of one of the towers came down and hit the front-bottom of WTC 7, burned for a while and then the building came down.
People whove been taken by conspiracy theories are no more or less retarded than those whove been taken by the Official story. Were so black/white in this country. You either have to believe everything or nothing at all.
medit84truth 2 years ago
Neither one of these guys has a clue about the towers' construction or building construction in general, so their arguments are factually wrong on both sides. Patrice comes off like an idiot, but Anthony doesn't have the technical background to refute his crazy theories. The scientific explanation of the towers' collapse by Gene Corley is sound, the back story is what should be debated.
irishsetter1972 2 years ago 2
Patrice is a dunce
angela1894 2 years ago
God I feel embarrassed for Ant sometimes. B29? What does a WW2 bomber have to do with anything. Ant seriously, you need more reliable material. I think you're confusing Jane's series with Archie comics and History Channel with video games.
shiteetah 2 years ago
he meant a b-25, which is also a ww2 plane. a b-25 crashed into the empire state building in 1945, which they were talking about. you're a douche, and an ignorant douche at that. way to rag on someone for something you didnt understand in the first place.
sargepup 2 years ago
Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation and puting me in my place.
shiteetah 2 years ago
Just a pitty he mentions a b-29 and not a B-25
shiteetah 2 years ago
Better than what Patrice said, B52?
rockbottom56 2 years ago