How many people did Jesus torture and burn in fire today? o_O LooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL XD Christianity MUST be from SATAN!!!!!!! @_@ LooooooooooooooooooooL XD =P
It is sad that some Christians with families prefer to spend their days and nights on YouTube preaching o_O I guess they can't satisfy their wife or husband, so they are left alone at home while the spouse enjoys life! LoooooooooooooooooooL XD Insanity leads to rejection and scorn. It must be SAD to be a 'Young Earth Creationist' @_@ =((((((((((
@ dejj99 You don't need the Bible to "back up" the fact that homosexuality is twisted. All you need is a basic grasp of human anatomy. A penis is specially made to penetrate a vagina, and a vagina is specially made to be penetrated by a penis. A penis is external genitalia that fits inside a vagina, and a vagina is internal genitalia that fits around a penis.
This isn't rocket science. No need to overcomplicate and blur the lines of something that is otherwise pretty damn cut and dry.
Native Americans believed that gay people were a gift from the gods. They thought it symbolized the tribe's fertility and was thought to be the "bridge" between man and woman. They even believed that gay people had 2 souls, one man and one woman. (:
@QuassDebonair excuse me, but you are REALLY stupid. Since when are gay people incapable of procreation? Would you like to meet half a dozen of my gay friends who have biological children? Is it just me or are most heterosexuals stupid? Being gay has nothing to do with one's ability to procreate, fool!
Christ Himself was labeled the devil by the spiritual authorities of His time. Such is often the attempt of TOO many seeking to condemn the views they themselves personally find objectionable.
"You die and burn and The Lake of Fire from listening to these decievers!"
Im never more prayerful for the non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the forgiveness of the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement that are His ALONE
This is scary! Omg.. Please I beg you people dont believe this mess.. This is a trick of the Devil. You die and burn and The Lake of Fire from listening to these decievers! We must PRAY believers!
Please share your testimony of when you died, nothing happened, and you were revived to share your story that God was not there, and then share with us your personal testimony of when you travelled back to when the earth was made to see that nothing made it and that nothing also made the universe and how God wasn't there. Please share your testimonial.
@ChristJesusReigns please share your testimony of talking to Jesus. Last I heard, he died nearly two thousand years ago. I didn't know dead people could talk. Apparently you talk to him daily. Have you considered seeing a shrink?
@ChristJesusReigns There is no other way to approach believers except by using Science, not our feelings and opinions, but rather facts..
Truth is what you hate. If Atheists stand up for the Truth, you Christians hate us as well. Flying Spaghetti Monster told us you would in the Noodles =P.
@ChristJesusReigns it's interesting that the world is STILL arguing about whether a god exists. It is self evident that if such a being existed, it wouldn't require proof. Unfortunately, no such proof has surfaced in thousands of years. Where is your PROOF of this being?
Where's your proof that Napolean walked the earth? What about Aristotle? Funny how you'll trust in the historical writings passed down about these men who walked the earth, but you won't trust in the most referenced being ever to have walked the face of the earth, Jesus Christ. There are far more historical sources for Christ than there are these other 2 men mentioned. Yet you have no problem with their existence. So, do you believe Muhammed walked the earth as well?
And what proof do you have that God doesn't exist? Oh yeah, that's right, you don't have any proof for that either. You people are insane. Literally insane.
I don't believe in fairy tales, which is why I realized the stupidity and insanity of Darwinian evolution as a young child. Now are you going to answer the question or not? You claimed Jesus is dead. So where's your proof that He is dead? What's your source?
@ChristJesusReigns wait you dont know about evolution? im sorry im done with you now. never thought anybody is as stupid to believe earth is a few thousand years old and that we are all children of incest. bye now. have fun in your little world.
Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
The word "fundamentalist" has been redefined as if it is a dirty word nowadays as well. Like you're not allowed to have any fundamentals or something. Fact is everyone "Fundamentally" believes in something, just not all believe in the fundamental foundational Truth of the Word of God, that's all. But everyone is a "fundamentalist" because everyone on the planet follows or believes in some sort of "fundamentals" on how they live their lives.
"The word "fundamentalist" has been redefined as if it is a dirty word nowadays as well."
Kind of like the word, "liberal."
"Fundamentally" believes in something, just not all believe in the fundamental foundational Truth of the Word of God, that's all."
Terms like "foundational Truth of the Word of God" or "Bible authority" are what many known as funamentalists use their attempts to make THEIR personal views and our Lord's will APPEAR as one and the same.
Nowhere in scripture is it said that it is a good thing to not only practice sin, but to be proud of it and want everyone to like the fact that one is willfully committing any sin. God has a very different idea about many of the sins that any of us can willfully practice. Have you read what God tells us in I Cor. 6:9-11. We are told that with God working in our lives, beginning with salvation, we can have victory over the sinful behaviors that we are all drawn to.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20
Romans 6:26-27 “For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
And yes, they abandoned our Lord to participate in a pagan orgy. But if the acts had been heterosexual among UNmarried men and women, would they have been any less "vile?" Would the recording of the incident have been exploited to condemn all heterosexuals, even husbands and wives? Such exploitation simply reflects the tragic double standard too many have of the different orientations.
No one said heterosexual sins are "less vile". Fact is they are just as sinful, that's why the Scripture refers to the SEXUALLY IMMORAL. This means all immoral sex, whether it be adultery, homosexuality, incest, rape, pedophilia, etc, etc.
"Fact is they are just as sinful, that's why the Scripture refers to the SEXUALLY IMMORAL"
The passage in Rom. 1 you refer to involves acts conducted in a pagan ritual. It doesn't speak to all types of same gender relations, eventhough many exploit it as if it did.
"This means all immoral sex,..."
And according to the NT all such conduct outside marriage is immoral. Since it doesn't speak to same gender marriage, the accusation of immorality is based on speculation NOT fact.
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. BUT YOU WERE WASHED, BUT YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, BUT YOU WERE JUSTIFIED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS AND BY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD."
@LarisaBLG Actually, the world "homosexual" never appears in any true text of the Bible - not in the Greek or Hebrew texts or the KJV. The Greek word that scholars have most referenced with homosexuality is arsenokoites, but Arsenokoites is never used in the Bible to mean gay, lesbian, or homosexual. Philo believed that the use of arsenos koiten in Leviticus 20:13 referred to shrine prostitution. I would suggest that you get a better Bible translation. :) Love is unconditional.
@thechrishepburn Yes, I do like King James or NKJ version. Since you like to look deeper, that is the meaning of Romans 6:26-27 “For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
@thechrishepburn I thought I did BOLD the thing that I wanted you to pay attention to: God’s gift is his Son, Jesus Christ who can redeem us from whatever we may struggle with.
Love is "unconditional" is a myth. When you love someone, you are making a commitment to them. A commitment is in itself a "condition" of love. Another condition of love is telling the truth. There are conditions also outlined for love in the famous passage of Scripture, love is patient, love is kind, love holds no records of wrongs, etc, etc.. these are all conditions of love. The whole "love is unconditional" thing is actually a secular myth.
The parts of this verse believed to address homosexuality revolve around two Greek terms. The first has a number of definitions. The second is commonly believed to be Paul's own fusion of the Greek words for "man" and "bed." Since Paul didn't specify the precise definition of the first word nor even define the second it's not even certain he was referring to homosexuality at all, MUCH less all same gender relationships.
"Nowhere in scripture is it said that it is a good thing to not only practice sin, but to be proud of it and want everyone to like the fact that one is willfully committing any sin."
Not all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin in all circumstances such as that of marriage, especially since scripture doesn't mention them all.
"God has a very different idea about many of the sins that any of us can willfully practice."
Such as calling something sin which may not be which... (Cont.)
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV). GOD DOES LOVE THE EVERYONE BUT HE HATES THE SIN ND BEING GAY IS A SIN IT ALL OVER THE BIBLE
"I'd hate to sit in their congregation and getting their lies into my ears."
Of course, they MUST be lying otherwise we'd have to consider the prospect that those who condemn same gender relationships are themselves false and in need of forgiveness.
this is highly unacceptable. These are "Preachers" saying that being homosexual is a gift from God. If I were God, and thankfully I'm not, I would be totally offended. I'd hate to sit in their congregation and getting their lies into my ears.
@TheAssesKicker no, you don't know nothing about me, I am not homophobe. I look at them as human beings with a big struggle. I know that God loves them, God loves all of us. I'm just saying that God does not support the opposite of what He created and He created man and woman to marry. Not man and man, or woman and woman.
...May well lead the accuser(s) into problems with our Lord involving the Nineth Command which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18. "
"Have you read what God tells us in I Cor. 6:9-11."
The parts of 1 Cor. 6:9 believed to address homosexuality focus on two Greek terms. The first has a number of definitions, the second is generally believed to be Paul's OWN fusion of the two Greek words for "man" and "bed." Since Paul didn't specify the precise definition of the first word or... (Cont.)
There is a song called "Evil Priest" by this group called Death Angel. I started thinking of that song, the minute that liar in a priest's collar started making up stuff that isn't in the Bible and trying to lead people into lives of sin and damnation.
I am thankful I was born gay, too. But, I can't accept the notion of there being a god. That's where I draw the line. Religion is a perversion of the mind. My life has been richly blessed because I was born gay. If being gay were a choice (which science says it isn't), I would choose it in my next life. No question about it.
@lisztnut science also proclaims survival of the fittest..But hey good thing we don't live by that rule or people like yourself would be dead no? As in biological terms homosexuals are incapable of reproduction..Therefore you would be declared as "weak" because you would need help from elsewhere to accomplish such things. Science says alot of things..science can also prove things wrong. I know gays who have turned straight..it's a choice
In the 1500s, the Catholics had an imperfect tool called the Inquisition. It wasn't perfect, because many innocent people were put to death under it. However, priests like this heretic up above who trafficked in child porn and tried to lead his flock into open rebellion against Christ through homosexuality, adultery, bestiality, etc., were put down like the rabid beasts that they are. A firey death on a pyre of faggots "cured" them of their daemonology.
"However, priests like this heretic up above who trafficked in child porn and tried to lead his flock into open rebellion against Christ through homosexuality..." Christ Himself was crucified under the false label of "heretic" and other unsubstantiated claims. Now it seems Ed Bacon is being condemned in a similar fashon as a pedophile. Such is the response of many when presented with messages they personally find objectionable
@ebonics4everyone How exactly are bestiality and adultery connected to homosexuality? Always this misinformation. Really makes it hard for me to accept that you guys don't do that on purpose...
@ebonics4everyone Since you dislike homosexuality it is now equal to other practises that are clearly different, for example on the basis of mutual consent.
And why do you dislike me calling you cheerful? Are you ot happy? Maybe you should re-think your lifestyle if it doesn't satisfy you.
Well this perverted priest is daming anyone who believes his lies to eternity in Hell. How sad that this demon is allowed to pretend to be a godly man.
"Well this perverted priest is daming anyone who believes his lies to eternity in Hell."
Many probably said something similar about Martin Luther and the apostle Paul in their time. And Im never more prayerful for the agnostic or athhiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on a matter of ultimate judgement that is His ALONE.
People believe what they believe no matter how wierd it is. There is definitely a brainwashing aspect to the indoctrination into an organized religion but when ppl claim to know the mind of God i.e. what God wants, What God feels, what makes God Angry, What God looks like, what heaven looks like, etc because they read it in a 2000 year old book written by primitives that believed in mythology, that is where I have to draw the line.
The apostles are dead and so is Jesus... Why are people using them to argue. People Have always been and will always be gay because god realized that straight people are so boring... Oh and having way too many babies! 7 billion people on earth holy shit!
Cause wasn't written by the Apostles like we taught!
Did you know that Mary Magdaline was one of the apostles, and that the they didn't want her around cause she was a WOMAN?
That explains why she was at the crucifixion, SHE WAS ONE OF THE APOSTLES! We SHOULDN'T BELIVE IN THE BIBLE, it WASN'T written by the Apostles but from they're "fans"
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Biblical mysteries explained - Lost gospels part 1.mpg
"Why would god condemn homosexuality if hes the one who gives it to people? You idiot it is sure not a gift"
Many probably didn't see the brutal death of Christ as a "gift" when it happened perhaps because our Lord often does not make His will immediately or widely known.
What the hell are you talking about?! You satanic bastard how dare you say that! Why would god condemn homosexuality if hes the one who gives it to people? You idiot it is sure not a gift.
... Questionable (at best) accusations (again) WITHOUT backing them up. This isn't surprising since you speak for our Lord as if YOUR personal view and His will MUST automatically and entirely be one and the same.
"Jesus fulfilled ALL THE LAWS- "OVERTURNED" NONE"
He fulfilled the Law with His coming, giving Him authority to indeed overturn dietary restrictions of Mosaic Law as well as the law on divorce in Matt. 19:8-9 saying it was not intended "from the beginning."
"since you speak for our Lord as if YOUR personal view"
No,it's your sad attempt to confuse, mislead & self-justify UR base behavior.
"He fulfilled the Law with His coming, giving Him authority to indeed overturn "
Again, Jesus FULFILLED all the Laws perfectly and applied his atonement to those who trust in Him so that in the sight of the Father we are justified...No man is justified by the works of the Law but by the grace of God so that no one can boast. Dietary & ritual laws were for Isreal
"Again, Jesus FULFILLED all the Laws perfectly..."
You mean He upheld them all, EVEN Mosaic Law on divorce which He clearly stated was not intended by our Lord "from the beginning, even Deu. 22:28-29 calling for a virgin to marry the man who raped and impregnated her?
"Dietary & ritual laws were for Isreal."
So one law's ONLY for Israel, another's for everyone, which is which?
"No man is justified by the works of the Law but by the grace of God..."
@clay56 I came from the same kind of observance Paul did (I was an Orthodox Jew, now I'm a Christian who happens to be Jewish), thus I know Paul's rabbinic preaching styles, also that Paul is preaching in regards to homosexual relationships (in all forms), and all other forms of immorality.You just do not want to accept what the truth is! YOU'RE WRONG, AND OTHER PSEUDO CHRISTIANS LIKE ARE WRONG!
"You just do not want to accept what the truth is! YOU'RE WRONG, AND OTHER PSEUDO CHRISTIANS LIKE ARE WRONG!"
Your having a similar background to Paul neither makes you Paul himself nor does it even mean you fully understand all of what he meant. And certainly I do not deny the truth, I simply don't agree with YOUR subjective view of it. And stating that view as if it were a devine absolute doesn't make it ANY less subjective or any more true.
on the contrary, few pple who know me would at all doubt that I am one of the most inquisitive, tolerant persons U could ever know- that doesn't mean that I have to agree with or have approbation of every kind of behavior. Your accusation are also inappropriate because for thousands of years the ethics& morals which I embrace speak equally ALL pple in kinds of situations & says the One who created you loves, cares & wants to give U abundant life If U are a thief, rapist murderer, gay no matter
@shieldsff If you are a thief, rapist murderer, gay no matter as you state you still have to turn away from SIN and except Jesus Christ as your lord and SAVIOUR . Sorry , but SIN is SIn.
Who it is this minister that says that been gay is a gift from God. That's a zorro drees lake obeja, Sorry for their comments minister Close your mount and talk with the true FALSE MINISTER. EVIL IS DRESSING IN DIFERENT WAY AND THIS ONE OF ALL THE COSTUMS THAT USE TO USE IN EVERY SIGLE MINUTE.
"Who it is this minister that says that been gay is a gift from God."
I believe his name's Ed Bacon. And Im sure many homosexuals may think he's crazy for making such a statement. Then again, many probably wondered how Christ's brutal death was any sort of "gift" at the time it happened.
Your reaction?
Who it is this minister that says that been gay is a gift from God.
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I almost missed this brief posting. Im glad I happened to spot it because eventhough I don't agree with your personal view, I wanted to say I sincerely appreciate your prayers. Personally I think our Lord has a purpose in this debate since those on either side may stand to gain knowledge and wisdom the other side may lack which may ultimately be to the benefit of everyone.
We can be certain, because all translations are saying the samething, just in different wording.
Not neccessarily since different wordings may suggest different meanings.
"You are in the wrong..."
Possibly, since it's improbable we could both be right. But it's less so we COULD both be mistaken in our beliefs since a THIRD view could be more in line with our Lord's will. Im optomistic about it myself since forgiveness is in reach when we ask it for ourselves and EACH OTHER.
We can be certain, because all translations are saying the samething, just in different wording.
Not neccessarily since different wordings may suggest different meanings.
"You are in the wrong..."
Possibly since it's improbable we could both be right. It's less so we COULD both be wrong and that a third point of view could be more in line with our Lord's will. Im optomistic about it since forgiveness is in reach when we ask it for ourselves and EACH OTHER.
...Nor however did He address the "sin" of a virgin refusing to marry the man who raped and impregnated her in Deut. 22:28-29. I myself personally doubt he would have approved of either partly since He upheld certain Mosaic Laws and overturned others. But I won't presume to definitively state such on His behalf as TOO many often express our Lord's will which ONLY He can know and understand to it's fullest extent... Cont.
@clay56 If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands. Leviticus 20:13 [HCSB], But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 [HCSB]. You're giving unrepentant sinners false hope, you need to repent!
"If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands. Leviticus 20:13 [HCSB],"
Yeah, and Lev. 20:9 states the same for children cursing their parents. It's a small part of what makes Mosaic Law morally problematic for Christians in the here and now. As for Rev. you still haven't Biblically shown how ALL same gender relationships are "sexually immoral."
@freddie171 You're in a hard battle when it comes to clay56. I came from the same kind of observance Paul did (I was an Orthodox Jew, now I'm a Christian who happens to be Jewish), thus I know Paul's rabbinic preaching styles, also that Paul is preaching in regards tohomosexual relationships (in all forms), and all other forms of immorality. He just does not want to accept what the truth is!
@shieldsff Brown is a real blessing to us his fellow Jewish Christians, and the greater church body. My Pastor (also Jewish) was in the U.K. with him for one of his debates with Shmuley Boteach. His serries "Jewish Objections to Jesus", is wonderful. I truly agree with you on this, it would do people good to listen to him, HaShem is using him.
@clay56 Isn't it amazing how everybody tries to twist the scriptures to suit their life style instead of twisting their life style to suit the scriptures.
"Isn't it amazing how everybody tries to twist the scriptures to suit their life style instead of twisting their life style to suit the scriptures."
Many tend to believe their personal view of the scriptures and our Lord's will can be nothing BUT one and the same when such is not neccessarily or entirely the case.
"I simply don't agree with YOUR subjective view of it. And stating that view as if it were adevine absolute doesn't make it ANY less subjective or any more true."
Clay, buddy- let me help- YOU'RE WRONG! It's a tragedy on display here th at U absurdly reject understanding & practices the Christian church has held since it's inception: gayness is sinful. With no known expertise in this subject, YOU insist that dozens of Bible translators are wrong. Jesus fulfilled ALL THE LAWS- "OVERTURNED" NONE
"It's a tragedy on display here th at U absurdly reject understanding & practices the Christian church has held since it's inception:"
Actually many churches upheld the institution of slavery and the oppression of women for centuries, both of which are morally rephensible in today's churches. The opposition to same gender relationships may simply be yet another wrong.
"With no known expertise in this subject, YOU insist that dozens of Bible translators are wrong."
"Actually many churches upheld the institution of slavery and the oppression of women for centuries, both of which are morally rephensible in today's churches...."
Yes,I agree that many FALSE so-called churches which did not adhere to nor soundly taught the Bible DID THOSE THINGS.-they are in HELL. The Apostle Paul condemned false teachers as denying the power of God. The fault in your error is that these hypocrites acted contrary to sound teaching & the Spirit of God who is LOVE.
"The Apostle Paul condemned false teachers as denying the power of God."
Actually their doctrine came in part from the teachings of Paul who is thought by many today to have been an advocate of slavery as exemplified in Ehpesians 6:5 and the submission of women as shown in 1 Cor. 14: 34-37.
"The fault in your error is that these hypocrites acted contrary to sound teaching & the Spirit of God..."
By your own reasoning one of these "hypocrites" would be quite arguably Paul himself.
... Grace but ALL too evidently from your OWN personally selective process that you try to argue what laws remain valid.
"Yes,I agree that many FALSE so-called churches which did not adhere to nor soundly taught the Bible DID THOSE THINGS.-they are in HELL."
I am never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
well said- I recommended the Youtube debate with Dr. Michael Brown and Harry Knox. Dr. Brown does an outstanding,unassailable job of explicating and expounding the underlying judeo/christian ethical understanding of sexuality in God's view. Every one would do themselves a great favor listening to the deep wisdom of this man. The urgency of the Apostle Paul's warning in I Cor 6 "Not to be deceived..." (speaking to the brethren) makes sense because of those who call sin "love"
no doubt, this is a key source of your unfounded assertions&confusion.You are wrong that one's understanding of this sin as a matter of mere opinion.The teachings of the Apostles make clear that no sound teaching or doctrine is of of anyone's private interpretation.It continues that if someone advances a "false teaching" tha person is,in fact, rejected of the Spirit of God & should under no circumstances be heeded (see Galatians). I think we trust established scholarship over UR wish fantasies
"The Teachings of the Apostles make clear that no sound teaching or doctrine is of of anyone's private interpretation.It continues that if someone advances a "false teaching" tha person is,in fact, rejected of the Spirit of God & should under no circumstances be heeded..."
Ironic since you speak from YOUR priviate interpetation. The fact that a greater number of people share it does not in itself make it our Lord's will.
"Clay and I have had an on-going examination of this topic for weeks,... as you have no doubt gathered, he is offers a great deal of confusion or failing that a great deal of intentionally, misleading information."
Well, I agree SOMEONE has all too apparently been spreading misinfo. Hope this prettymuch clears it up. Thanks for the (indirect) shout out!
... Because Paul, who is believed to have originated the term, did not himself define it. Therefore, it is not certain 1st Cor. 6:9 is even speaking to homosexuality at all to say nothing of all types of same gender relationships. And I actually brought up the Septuagint many argue Paul was alluding to, stating the problem with the argument was that the term "man" and "bed" were separate where as Paul fuses them together. And when you alter a word you can very well change it's meaning.
CONT,similarly,in UR logic,this person might argue that bestiality is ok, (because Jesus did not mention it, or that various form of accounting theft involving derivative securities are acceptable because these instruments did not exist in Paul's day;this, however,is a logical fallacy known as "argument from silence"- it holds little water ! On the contrary, the burden resides with U to proof that established translations are wrong. You cannot present ANY 1st CE meaning aside from homosexuality
"the burden resides with U to proof that established translations are wrong."
Looks like we're split here. Since you made the accusation of sin, the proof indeed lies with you to prove the terms MUST refer to all forms of same gender relationships. I mention Christ's not saying anything about homosexuality only as a reminder to those who exploit His teachings to make it appear as though He did. No he did not mention beastiality... (Cont.)
@clay56 "Because Paul, who is believed to have originated the term, did not himself define it."
I understand that apart from the Spirit of God nothing can register, but how about this for a thought,... the reason Paul did not bother with elaborate and extended explanations and interpretations of this word is because the context involving sins of sexual perversion were clear, and 2) His readers (who were greek speaking) plainly understood the abusive conduct to which he was referring.
Okay, I'm Christian and gay. Grew up Christian my entire life, and figured out that I'm gay.
I'm not going to burn in hell. It's not a sin, it's not a choice. God made me this way.
I respect the peoples opinions here that do not think who I am is a good thing, but I'm not going to respond to hate with hate. It's pointless- God's word is to make peace and tolerance for one another, not to spread hatred and shun others.
If there were not meant to be gay people, why did God create them?
@TheBlondeOneisEpic Why would God make you to be gay? That sounds so stupid to me because being gay is a curse. That is in the bible. How dare you blame God for u being gay. That is not Godly at all.I'm not trying to be malicious or anything but i just had to make a response.
God loves us all, no matter who we are. Saying gay people are cursed is like saying a certain race is cursed. Color of skin doesn't matter- neither does sexuality.
I'm not blaming him. If God did not want me to be gay, well, I wouldn't be. He has the power to make things happen, but here I am, still gay. Know what I mean?
The Bible was written long ago. Times have changed- for instance, (continuing in another post)
@TheBlondeOneisEpic Don't try to justify what is written in the bible so it can fit your lifestyle. Its a low down dirty shame that people have the audacity to twist the bible up to miss its real meaning. Of course we have to love each other in spite of the things we do, but you just as well as everyone knows that being gay is wrong. We all have sinned and have our shortcomings. Of course no one is perfect but i find that offensive to say that it is your God given right to be gay. #justsayin
@TheBlondeOneisEpic Don't try to justify what is written in the bible so it can fit your lifestyle. Its a low down dirty shame that people have the audacity to twist the bible up to miss its real meaning. Of course we have to love each other in spite of the things we do, but you just as well as everyone knows that being gay is wrong. We all have sinned and have our shortcomings. Of course no one is perfect but i find that offensive to say that it is your God given right to be gay. #justsayin
For instance, it says that if a son/daughter speaks out against their parents or strongly disobeys, they may be stoned to death. We don't follow that tradition anymore, do we?
God loves me for who I am, he made me this way. I'm confident in that, although others may not be. I'm not asking for everyone to agree with me, I just don't want to be hated for who I am and what I am.
Because God loves those who love, no matter what genders they may be. Love is far from a curse. :)
@TheBlondeOneisEpic being gay is a curse. You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. I will pray for you though.
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 HCSB) EITHER REPENT OR BURN!
"Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom."
"Male prostitutes" comes from the Greek term "malokois" which has several definitions. "Homosexuals" comes from the term "arsenokoites" which is Paul's fusion of the words for "man" and "bed." The latter term has been argued for centuries since Paul didn't define it himself. So it's not even... (Cont.)
Many use words like "distorting" and "twisting" when faced with dissenting views, as if they could never see their own beliefs and our Lord's word to be anything less than completely one and the same.
just so you know, Clay and I have had an on-going examination of this topic for weeks,... as you have no doubt gathered, he is offers a great deal of confusion or failing that a great deal of intentionally, misleading information. I previously clearly demonstrated to him that the greek word [which] he distorts, " arsenokoites" does not refer strictly to 'male prostitutes', but comes directly from the greek septuagint. Dozens of reputable greek/english scholars translate this word as homosexual
"I previously clearly demonstrated to him that the greek word [which] he distorts, " arsenokoites" does not refer strictly to 'male prostitutes',"
Hey Shields!
You keep making this accusation but haven't proven it. I stated that it's been argued the word refers to prostitution. Harper's Bible Commentary for instance stated it as being defined as a prostitute and his customer. Up until the late 60's the Catholic Encyclopedia defined it as "masturbator." The divergence is probably... (Cont.)
@clay56 The only one distorting things is you! Paul, like me, came from a strict observance of Judaism, Torah states that men are forbidden mates, thus he puts al sexually perverted in the same light. Rightfull so to. I love hoe the KJV words it "abusers of themselves with mankind" "nor homosexuals, nor sodomites," (NKJV). You need to heed to God's word "male prostitutes, homosexuals," (HCSB) "nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals " (TNIV), stop twisting God's word!
Yes this is the accusation many make who can't see their view and our Lord's will as anything other than one and the same.
"I love hoe the KJV words it "abusers of themselves with mankind" "nor homosexuals, nor sodomites," (NKJV). "
The New KJV corrects the word "homosexual" with the footnote "catamite" (male juvenille prostitute). Such is no more reflective of all homosexuals than the woman who bathed Christ's feet with her tears was of all... :(Cont.)
@clay56 1 Cor. 6:9 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites" the footnote says this "That is, catamites", so tell me, where does it say prostitutes? Catamite means "a boy kept by a pederast" according to the Marrian Webster Dictionary, it should be noted that the footnote is for sodomites, not homosesxual.
The New American Bible footnotes the term as young boys kept for prostitution. And the term "sodomite" is also footnoted as being the people having relationships with the catamites. Neither are any more reflective of all same gender relationships than a grown man keeping a young girl for carnal purposes is of all hetero relationships. And I rechecked the NKJB and the footnote DOES indeed refer to the term "homosexual" used in the verse.
@clay56 Go and take another look, biblegatewaydotcom, anyway you've done nothing more than buy into the crap born out of Troy Perry and the Metropolitan Community "Church" back from the 1960's. I've rechecked the word in the NASB, the footnote is to effeminate, not homosexual. the foortnote reads as follows "I.e. effeminate by perversion". The NKJV footnote says catamites, which is only in reference to male relationships, not oposite sex, check any dictionary! You are misleading people.
"The NKJV footnote says catamites, which is only in reference to male relationships, not oposite sex, check any dictionary! You are misleading people."
It's evidently you who are being misleading. I stated an adult's relationship with a juvenille male was no more a reflection of all same gender relationships than an adult man having a relationship with a young girl was of all hetero unions.
@clay56 SEX IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN WITHIN THE BONDS OF MATRIMONY. MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHINGMORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, TAKE IT UP WITH HASHEM ALMIGHTY, WHO GAVE US HIS WORD! I'M DONE WITH YOU, YOU IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF GOD'S WORD AND NEED TO REPENT!
@clay56 I LOVE HOW THE CLASSIC KJV WORDS IT "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Hey Christians, let's BE HAPPY, okay? Stop living in fear of a genocidal maniac ("God") who does not exist, okay? THANK YOU ^__^
Karoke77 19 hours ago
I♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯ "I'm falling for the wrong, I'm leaning past the right
These promises we've broke, are far from distant sight" ♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯
Why does "Christian" music always have such depressing lyrics? o_O
Karoke77 19 hours ago
Christianity teaches bigotry, ignorance and fear. SO SAD.
Karoke77 21 hours ago
How many people did Jesus torture and burn in fire today? o_O LooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL XD Christianity MUST be from SATAN!!!!!!! @_@ LooooooooooooooooooooL XD =P
Karoke77 21 hours ago
It is sad that some Christians with families prefer to spend their days and nights on YouTube preaching o_O I guess they can't satisfy their wife or husband, so they are left alone at home while the spouse enjoys life! LoooooooooooooooooooL XD Insanity leads to rejection and scorn. It must be SAD to be a 'Young Earth Creationist' @_@ =((((((((((
Karoke77 21 hours ago
Atheists do not have to prove a negative. Christians are such IDIOTS!!!! @_@
Karoke77 21 hours ago
DId God create music? o_O LoooooooooooooooL XD
Karoke77 2 days ago
Anyone talk with an angel lately? o_O =P
Karoke77 3 days ago
There is NO proof that a man named "Christ" existed. NONE. Only idiots claim that he was real.
Karoke77 4 days ago
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P.S. And sperm is specially designed to travel to an egg and impregnate the female after ejaculating inside her vagina.
Again, this is just basic human science and anatomy. So let's apply a little common sense here, shall we?
Yrhp8268 2 weeks ago
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@ dejj99 You don't need the Bible to "back up" the fact that homosexuality is twisted. All you need is a basic grasp of human anatomy. A penis is specially made to penetrate a vagina, and a vagina is specially made to be penetrated by a penis. A penis is external genitalia that fits inside a vagina, and a vagina is internal genitalia that fits around a penis.
This isn't rocket science. No need to overcomplicate and blur the lines of something that is otherwise pretty damn cut and dry.
Yrhp8268 2 weeks ago
Native Americans believed that gay people were a gift from the gods. They thought it symbolized the tribe's fertility and was thought to be the "bridge" between man and woman. They even believed that gay people had 2 souls, one man and one woman. (:
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@QuassDebonair excuse me, but you are REALLY stupid. Since when are gay people incapable of procreation? Would you like to meet half a dozen of my gay friends who have biological children? Is it just me or are most heterosexuals stupid? Being gay has nothing to do with one's ability to procreate, fool!
lisztnut 3 weeks ago
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"This is a trick of the Devil."
Christ Himself was labeled the devil by the spiritual authorities of His time. Such is often the attempt of TOO many seeking to condemn the views they themselves personally find objectionable.
"You die and burn and The Lake of Fire from listening to these decievers!"
Im never more prayerful for the non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the forgiveness of the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement that are His ALONE
clay56 3 weeks ago
This is scary! Omg.. Please I beg you people dont believe this mess.. This is a trick of the Devil. You die and burn and The Lake of Fire from listening to these decievers! We must PRAY believers!
symphonyisme 3 weeks ago
@symphonyisme actually what is scary is people who believe in a sky fairy. People you need to WAKE the fuck up. There is no god. It's a delusion.
lisztnut 3 weeks ago
@lisztnut
Please share your testimony of when you died, nothing happened, and you were revived to share your story that God was not there, and then share with us your personal testimony of when you travelled back to when the earth was made to see that nothing made it and that nothing also made the universe and how God wasn't there. Please share your testimonial.
ChristJesusReigns 1 week ago
@ChristJesusReigns please share your testimony of talking to Jesus. Last I heard, he died nearly two thousand years ago. I didn't know dead people could talk. Apparently you talk to him daily. Have you considered seeing a shrink?
lisztnut 1 week ago
@lisztnut
Its called prayer. Something foreign to you, I know.
ChristJesusReigns 4 days ago
@ChristJesusReigns "Intelligent design! 6000 year old Earth, Dinosaurs in the "Garden of Eden" and on "Noah's Ark"! LOL!
In my country, people like this would be sent immediately to the nearest mental hospital with the padded room and the straight jacket!
WHY ARE AMERICANS SO FUCKING STUPID AND IGNORANT??????
Faighbas 9 hours ago"
YOU (Christians) embarrass the rest of us. SO SAD.
Karoke77 3 days ago
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@ChristJesusReigns There is no other way to approach believers except by using Science, not our feelings and opinions, but rather facts..
Truth is what you hate. If Atheists stand up for the Truth, you Christians hate us as well. Flying Spaghetti Monster told us you would in the Noodles =P.
Karoke77 3 days ago
@lisztnut That guy (ChristJesusReigns) really does need to be in a mental hospital. SO SAD.
Karoke77 4 days ago
@ChristJesusReigns it's interesting that the world is STILL arguing about whether a god exists. It is self evident that if such a being existed, it wouldn't require proof. Unfortunately, no such proof has surfaced in thousands of years. Where is your PROOF of this being?
lisztnut 1 week ago
@lisztnut
Where's your proof that Napolean walked the earth? What about Aristotle? Funny how you'll trust in the historical writings passed down about these men who walked the earth, but you won't trust in the most referenced being ever to have walked the face of the earth, Jesus Christ. There are far more historical sources for Christ than there are these other 2 men mentioned. Yet you have no problem with their existence. So, do you believe Muhammed walked the earth as well?
ChristJesusReigns 4 days ago
@ChristJesusReigns jesus did, god didnt. case closed.
dayweed85 4 days ago
@dayweed85
Jesus Is God, and He did, He can, and He will. Case closed for eternity.
ChristJesusReigns 3 days ago
@ChristJesusReigns honestly? jesus is dead, god never existed.. im sorry to tell you this. i know you must be shocked.
dayweed85 3 days ago
@dayweed85
What proof do you have that Jesus is dead? Oh yeah that's right, you don't have any proof and you're just blowing smoke. Grow up.
ChristJesusReigns 2 days ago
@ChristJesusReigns WHat proof do you have that Jesus LIVED idiot!!! @_@
Karoke77 1 day ago
@dayweed85
And what proof do you have that God doesn't exist? Oh yeah, that's right, you don't have any proof for that either. You people are insane. Literally insane.
ChristJesusReigns 2 days ago
@ChristJesusReigns We do not have to prove a negative jackass!! @_@ WHICH God by th eway? o_O LooooooooooooooooL XD
Karoke77 1 day ago
@ChristJesusReigns lol now now, calm down. i didnt know you still believe in fairy tales. im sorry to tell the truth.
dayweed85 1 day ago
@dayweed85
I don't believe in fairy tales, which is why I realized the stupidity and insanity of Darwinian evolution as a young child. Now are you going to answer the question or not? You claimed Jesus is dead. So where's your proof that He is dead? What's your source?
ChristJesusReigns 22 hours ago
@ChristJesusReigns @_@
Karoke77 21 hours ago
@ChristJesusReigns wait you dont know about evolution? im sorry im done with you now. never thought anybody is as stupid to believe earth is a few thousand years old and that we are all children of incest. bye now. have fun in your little world.
dayweed85 9 hours ago
@ChristJesusReigns also stop talking about proof. you dont have any proof either lol.
dayweed85 1 day ago
@dayweed85
You're the one who claimed Christ is dead. So where's your proof that He's dead?
ChristJesusReigns 22 hours ago
@ChristJesusReigns ♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯ "You know, I wish that I had Jessie's girl" ♪ ♫ ♩ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯
Karoke77 2 days ago
We all r gods!!! Aren't We the sons of God? Therefore We r also gods.
kevintient1 3 weeks ago
Hemorrhoids are a gift from God!
poolerboy0077 3 weeks ago
The Bible has nothing to do with the People.
kevintient1 3 weeks ago
"Bible misled you!" Your heart proclaimed!
kevintient1 3 weeks ago
Being gay is not a gift from God... read the bible.
kevinyankee2 3 weeks ago
Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
lightandbeautiful 3 weeks ago
"The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda."
Kind of like the terms "Bible authority" or "gay agenda" helps the fundamentalists press their own.
clay56 3 weeks ago
@clay56
The word "fundamentalist" has been redefined as if it is a dirty word nowadays as well. Like you're not allowed to have any fundamentals or something. Fact is everyone "Fundamentally" believes in something, just not all believe in the fundamental foundational Truth of the Word of God, that's all. But everyone is a "fundamentalist" because everyone on the planet follows or believes in some sort of "fundamentals" on how they live their lives.
ChristJesusReigns 1 week ago
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"The word "fundamentalist" has been redefined as if it is a dirty word nowadays as well."
Kind of like the word, "liberal."
"Fundamentally" believes in something, just not all believe in the fundamental foundational Truth of the Word of God, that's all."
Terms like "foundational Truth of the Word of God" or "Bible authority" are what many known as funamentalists use their attempts to make THEIR personal views and our Lord's will APPEAR as one and the same.
clay56 1 week ago
Nowhere in scripture is it said that it is a good thing to not only practice sin, but to be proud of it and want everyone to like the fact that one is willfully committing any sin. God has a very different idea about many of the sins that any of us can willfully practice. Have you read what God tells us in I Cor. 6:9-11. We are told that with God working in our lives, beginning with salvation, we can have victory over the sinful behaviors that we are all drawn to.
esong21956 3 weeks ago
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20
fruitofthepirit 1 month ago
Romans 6:26-27 “For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
LarisaBLG 1 month ago
Please Read Romans 1
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
JesusFreak6403 1 month ago
"Please Read Romans 1"
Read it long ago.
And yes, they abandoned our Lord to participate in a pagan orgy. But if the acts had been heterosexual among UNmarried men and women, would they have been any less "vile?" Would the recording of the incident have been exploited to condemn all heterosexuals, even husbands and wives? Such exploitation simply reflects the tragic double standard too many have of the different orientations.
clay56 1 month ago
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@clay56 Please Read Matthew 6:5 and go suck on a banana.
PresObama2012 3 weeks ago
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...Define the second, it's not even certain he was referring to homosexuality at all much less all kinds of same gender relationships.
clay56 3 weeks ago
@clay56
No one said heterosexual sins are "less vile". Fact is they are just as sinful, that's why the Scripture refers to the SEXUALLY IMMORAL. This means all immoral sex, whether it be adultery, homosexuality, incest, rape, pedophilia, etc, etc.
ChristJesusReigns 1 week ago
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"Fact is they are just as sinful, that's why the Scripture refers to the SEXUALLY IMMORAL"
The passage in Rom. 1 you refer to involves acts conducted in a pagan ritual. It doesn't speak to all types of same gender relations, eventhough many exploit it as if it did.
"This means all immoral sex,..."
And according to the NT all such conduct outside marriage is immoral. Since it doesn't speak to same gender marriage, the accusation of immorality is based on speculation NOT fact.
clay56 1 week ago
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. BUT YOU WERE WASHED, BUT YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, BUT YOU WERE JUSTIFIED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS AND BY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD."
Amen :)
LarisaBLG 1 month ago
@LarisaBLG Actually, the world "homosexual" never appears in any true text of the Bible - not in the Greek or Hebrew texts or the KJV. The Greek word that scholars have most referenced with homosexuality is arsenokoites, but Arsenokoites is never used in the Bible to mean gay, lesbian, or homosexual. Philo believed that the use of arsenos koiten in Leviticus 20:13 referred to shrine prostitution. I would suggest that you get a better Bible translation. :) Love is unconditional.
thechrishepburn 1 month ago
@thechrishepburn Yes, I do like King James or NKJ version. Since you like to look deeper, that is the meaning of Romans 6:26-27 “For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
LarisaBLG 1 month ago
@thechrishepburn I thought I did BOLD the thing that I wanted you to pay attention to: God’s gift is his Son, Jesus Christ who can redeem us from whatever we may struggle with.
LarisaBLG 1 month ago
@thechrishepburn
Love is "unconditional" is a myth. When you love someone, you are making a commitment to them. A commitment is in itself a "condition" of love. Another condition of love is telling the truth. There are conditions also outlined for love in the famous passage of Scripture, love is patient, love is kind, love holds no records of wrongs, etc, etc.. these are all conditions of love. The whole "love is unconditional" thing is actually a secular myth.
ChristJesusReigns 1 week ago
@ChristJesusReigns You are NOT an authority on love. What are you an authority about? Fairy tales? Fantasy? Dragons? LoooooooooooooooL XD
Karoke77 4 days ago
"1 Corinthians 6:9..."
The parts of this verse believed to address homosexuality revolve around two Greek terms. The first has a number of definitions. The second is commonly believed to be Paul's own fusion of the Greek words for "man" and "bed." Since Paul didn't specify the precise definition of the first word nor even define the second it's not even certain he was referring to homosexuality at all, MUCH less all same gender relationships.
clay56 4 weeks ago
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"Nowhere in scripture is it said that it is a good thing to not only practice sin, but to be proud of it and want everyone to like the fact that one is willfully committing any sin."
Not all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin in all circumstances such as that of marriage, especially since scripture doesn't mention them all.
"God has a very different idea about many of the sins that any of us can willfully practice."
Such as calling something sin which may not be which... (Cont.)
clay56 3 weeks ago
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YouveBeenRead 1 month ago
how funny reading ur guys comment is like, ur guys wanna kill each other in the name of god... Crazy with the ZZZZZZZZZZZ
TSCHITCHAT 1 month ago
salvation is a gift God Romans 10:9
freedom26able 1 month ago 3
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV). GOD DOES LOVE THE EVERYONE BUT HE HATES THE SIN ND BEING GAY IS A SIN IT ALL OVER THE BIBLE
trixwsk 1 month ago
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"I'd hate to sit in their congregation and getting their lies into my ears."
Of course, they MUST be lying otherwise we'd have to consider the prospect that those who condemn same gender relationships are themselves false and in need of forgiveness.
clay56 1 month ago
this is highly unacceptable. These are "Preachers" saying that being homosexual is a gift from God. If I were God, and thankfully I'm not, I would be totally offended. I'd hate to sit in their congregation and getting their lies into my ears.
RyGil91 1 month ago
@RyGil91 You're just assuming that god is as homophobic as you are.
TheAssesKicker 1 month ago
@TheAssesKicker no, you don't know nothing about me, I am not homophobe. I look at them as human beings with a big struggle. I know that God loves them, God loves all of us. I'm just saying that God does not support the opposite of what He created and He created man and woman to marry. Not man and man, or woman and woman.
RyGil91 3 weeks ago
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...May well lead the accuser(s) into problems with our Lord involving the Nineth Command which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18. "
"Have you read what God tells us in I Cor. 6:9-11."
The parts of 1 Cor. 6:9 believed to address homosexuality focus on two Greek terms. The first has a number of definitions, the second is generally believed to be Paul's OWN fusion of the two Greek words for "man" and "bed." Since Paul didn't specify the precise definition of the first word or... (Cont.)
clay56 3 weeks ago
There is a song called "Evil Priest" by this group called Death Angel. I started thinking of that song, the minute that liar in a priest's collar started making up stuff that isn't in the Bible and trying to lead people into lives of sin and damnation.
ebonics4everyone 1 month ago
I am thankful I was born gay, too. But, I can't accept the notion of there being a god. That's where I draw the line. Religion is a perversion of the mind. My life has been richly blessed because I was born gay. If being gay were a choice (which science says it isn't), I would choose it in my next life. No question about it.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut science also proclaims survival of the fittest..But hey good thing we don't live by that rule or people like yourself would be dead no? As in biological terms homosexuals are incapable of reproduction..Therefore you would be declared as "weak" because you would need help from elsewhere to accomplish such things. Science says alot of things..science can also prove things wrong. I know gays who have turned straight..it's a choice
QuassDebonair 1 month ago
In the 1500s, the Catholics had an imperfect tool called the Inquisition. It wasn't perfect, because many innocent people were put to death under it. However, priests like this heretic up above who trafficked in child porn and tried to lead his flock into open rebellion against Christ through homosexuality, adultery, bestiality, etc., were put down like the rabid beasts that they are. A firey death on a pyre of faggots "cured" them of their daemonology.
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clay56 1 month ago
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"However, priests like this heretic up above who trafficked in child porn and tried to lead his flock into open rebellion against Christ through homosexuality..." Christ Himself was crucified under the false label of "heretic" and other unsubstantiated claims. Now it seems Ed Bacon is being condemned in a similar fashon as a pedophile. Such is the response of many when presented with messages they personally find objectionable
clay56 1 month ago
@ebonics4everyone How exactly are bestiality and adultery connected to homosexuality? Always this misinformation. Really makes it hard for me to accept that you guys don't do that on purpose...
EPR89 1 month ago
@EPR89 Bestiality, incest, adultery, homosexuality, rape, sodomy and all the crazy sexual things suck. Gay people are stupid. Stupid things are gay.
ebonics4everyone 1 month ago
@ebonics4everyone You are gay.
EPR89 1 month ago
@EPR89 Since you dislike what I have to say, I am "gay" now? Says a lot about how you view your own lifestyle, loser.
ebonics4everyone 1 month ago
@ebonics4everyone Since you dislike homosexuality it is now equal to other practises that are clearly different, for example on the basis of mutual consent.
And why do you dislike me calling you cheerful? Are you ot happy? Maybe you should re-think your lifestyle if it doesn't satisfy you.
EPR89 1 month ago
Well this perverted priest is daming anyone who believes his lies to eternity in Hell. How sad that this demon is allowed to pretend to be a godly man.
ebonics4everyone 1 month ago
"Well this perverted priest is daming anyone who believes his lies to eternity in Hell."
Many probably said something similar about Martin Luther and the apostle Paul in their time. And Im never more prayerful for the agnostic or athhiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on a matter of ultimate judgement that is His ALONE.
clay56 1 month ago
@ebonics4everyone i must say your right !
PrincessAleandra90 1 month ago
People believe what they believe no matter how wierd it is. There is definitely a brainwashing aspect to the indoctrination into an organized religion but when ppl claim to know the mind of God i.e. what God wants, What God feels, what makes God Angry, What God looks like, what heaven looks like, etc because they read it in a 2000 year old book written by primitives that believed in mythology, that is where I have to draw the line.
lrmswift 1 month ago
"ok, I have gone to the weird side of youtube again."
You mean you stumbled on the Fred Phelps vids too?
clay56 1 month ago
ok, I have gone to the weird side of youtube again. lol. Come on, you know you have too.
brgb100 1 month ago
The apostles are dead and so is Jesus... Why are people using them to argue. People Have always been and will always be gay because god realized that straight people are so boring... Oh and having way too many babies! 7 billion people on earth holy shit!
Dharmabum9287 2 months ago
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Should we belive in God, YES!
And The Bible? NO!
Cause wasn't written by the Apostles like we taught!
Did you know that Mary Magdaline was one of the apostles, and that the they didn't want her around cause she was a WOMAN?
That explains why she was at the crucifixion, SHE WAS ONE OF THE APOSTLES! We SHOULDN'T BELIVE IN THE BIBLE, it WASN'T written by the Apostles but from they're "fans"
CHECK THIS VIDEO OUT AND LEARN:
Biblical mysteries explained - Lost gospels part 1.mpg
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago in playlist More videos from MichaelBachelor
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Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and Lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
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"Why would god condemn homosexuality if hes the one who gives it to people? You idiot it is sure not a gift"
Many probably didn't see the brutal death of Christ as a "gift" when it happened perhaps because our Lord often does not make His will immediately or widely known.
clay56 2 months ago
What the hell are you talking about?! You satanic bastard how dare you say that! Why would god condemn homosexuality if hes the one who gives it to people? You idiot it is sure not a gift.
justnel4 2 months ago
Part 2
... Questionable (at best) accusations (again) WITHOUT backing them up. This isn't surprising since you speak for our Lord as if YOUR personal view and His will MUST automatically and entirely be one and the same.
"Jesus fulfilled ALL THE LAWS- "OVERTURNED" NONE"
He fulfilled the Law with His coming, giving Him authority to indeed overturn dietary restrictions of Mosaic Law as well as the law on divorce in Matt. 19:8-9 saying it was not intended "from the beginning."
clay56 3 months ago
"since you speak for our Lord as if YOUR personal view"
No,it's your sad attempt to confuse, mislead & self-justify UR base behavior.
"He fulfilled the Law with His coming, giving Him authority to indeed overturn "
Again, Jesus FULFILLED all the Laws perfectly and applied his atonement to those who trust in Him so that in the sight of the Father we are justified...No man is justified by the works of the Law but by the grace of God so that no one can boast. Dietary & ritual laws were for Isreal
shieldsff 3 months ago
"Again, Jesus FULFILLED all the Laws perfectly..."
You mean He upheld them all, EVEN Mosaic Law on divorce which He clearly stated was not intended by our Lord "from the beginning, even Deu. 22:28-29 calling for a virgin to marry the man who raped and impregnated her?
"Dietary & ritual laws were for Isreal."
So one law's ONLY for Israel, another's for everyone, which is which?
"No man is justified by the works of the Law but by the grace of God..."
It's not by His... (Cont.)
clay56 3 months ago
Which god?
oncom2008 3 months ago
Sooooo saddddd....
oncom2008 3 months ago
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shieldsff 3 months ago
I'm gay and I don't think I'm a gift from God. We're people and should be equal. Simple
GeminiSecret 3 months ago
You are a pack of lying fools. What you are teaching is totally opposite to the word of god. Sin is Sin . Get over it and repent.
17188669revfredfeelg 3 months ago
"What you are teaching is totally opposite to the word of god."
It'd definately not consistant with what many people BELIEVE that word to be.
clay56 3 months ago
@clay56 I came from the same kind of observance Paul did (I was an Orthodox Jew, now I'm a Christian who happens to be Jewish), thus I know Paul's rabbinic preaching styles, also that Paul is preaching in regards to homosexual relationships (in all forms), and all other forms of immorality.You just do not want to accept what the truth is! YOU'RE WRONG, AND OTHER PSEUDO CHRISTIANS LIKE ARE WRONG!
Menechem 3 months ago
"You just do not want to accept what the truth is! YOU'RE WRONG, AND OTHER PSEUDO CHRISTIANS LIKE ARE WRONG!"
Your having a similar background to Paul neither makes you Paul himself nor does it even mean you fully understand all of what he meant. And certainly I do not deny the truth, I simply don't agree with YOUR subjective view of it. And stating that view as if it were a devine absolute doesn't make it ANY less subjective or any more true.
clay56 3 months ago
on the contrary, few pple who know me would at all doubt that I am one of the most inquisitive, tolerant persons U could ever know- that doesn't mean that I have to agree with or have approbation of every kind of behavior. Your accusation are also inappropriate because for thousands of years the ethics& morals which I embrace speak equally ALL pple in kinds of situations & says the One who created you loves, cares & wants to give U abundant life If U are a thief, rapist murderer, gay no matter
shieldsff 3 months ago
@shieldsff If you are a thief, rapist murderer, gay no matter as you state you still have to turn away from SIN and except Jesus Christ as your lord and SAVIOUR . Sorry , but SIN is SIn.
freddie171 3 months ago
Who it is this minister that says that been gay is a gift from God. That's a zorro drees lake obeja, Sorry for their comments minister Close your mount and talk with the true FALSE MINISTER. EVIL IS DRESSING IN DIFERENT WAY AND THIS ONE OF ALL THE COSTUMS THAT USE TO USE IN EVERY SIGLE MINUTE.
franco201035 3 months ago
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"Who it is this minister that says that been gay is a gift from God."
I believe his name's Ed Bacon. And Im sure many homosexuals may think he's crazy for making such a statement. Then again, many probably wondered how Christ's brutal death was any sort of "gift" at the time it happened.
Your reaction?
Who it is this minister that says that been gay is a gift from God.
clay56 3 months ago
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3dtheoutlaw 3 months ago
"I'm praying for your sincere salvation!"
I almost missed this brief posting. Im glad I happened to spot it because eventhough I don't agree with your personal view, I wanted to say I sincerely appreciate your prayers. Personally I think our Lord has a purpose in this debate since those on either side may stand to gain knowledge and wisdom the other side may lack which may ultimately be to the benefit of everyone.
"With God ALL Things Are Possible"
Thanks Again!
clay56 3 months ago
We can be certain, because all translations are saying the samething, just in different wording.
Not neccessarily since different wordings may suggest different meanings.
"You are in the wrong..."
Possibly, since it's improbable we could both be right. But it's less so we COULD both be mistaken in our beliefs since a THIRD view could be more in line with our Lord's will. Im optomistic about it myself since forgiveness is in reach when we ask it for ourselves and EACH OTHER.
clay56 3 months ago
We can be certain, because all translations are saying the samething, just in different wording.
Not neccessarily since different wordings may suggest different meanings.
"You are in the wrong..."
Possibly since it's improbable we could both be right. It's less so we COULD both be wrong and that a third point of view could be more in line with our Lord's will. Im optomistic about it since forgiveness is in reach when we ask it for ourselves and EACH OTHER.
clay56 3 months ago
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clay56 3 months ago
Part 2
...Nor however did He address the "sin" of a virgin refusing to marry the man who raped and impregnated her in Deut. 22:28-29. I myself personally doubt he would have approved of either partly since He upheld certain Mosaic Laws and overturned others. But I won't presume to definitively state such on His behalf as TOO many often express our Lord's will which ONLY He can know and understand to it's fullest extent... Cont.
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands. Leviticus 20:13 [HCSB], But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 [HCSB]. You're giving unrepentant sinners false hope, you need to repent!
Menechem 3 months ago
"If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands. Leviticus 20:13 [HCSB],"
Yeah, and Lev. 20:9 states the same for children cursing their parents. It's a small part of what makes Mosaic Law morally problematic for Christians in the here and now. As for Rev. you still haven't Biblically shown how ALL same gender relationships are "sexually immoral."
clay56 3 months ago
@Menechem Preach it.
freddie171 3 months ago
@freddie171 You're in a hard battle when it comes to clay56. I came from the same kind of observance Paul did (I was an Orthodox Jew, now I'm a Christian who happens to be Jewish), thus I know Paul's rabbinic preaching styles, also that Paul is preaching in regards tohomosexual relationships (in all forms), and all other forms of immorality. He just does not want to accept what the truth is!
Menechem 3 months ago
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shieldsff 3 months ago
@shieldsff Brown is a real blessing to us his fellow Jewish Christians, and the greater church body. My Pastor (also Jewish) was in the U.K. with him for one of his debates with Shmuley Boteach. His serries "Jewish Objections to Jesus", is wonderful. I truly agree with you on this, it would do people good to listen to him, HaShem is using him.
Menechem 3 months ago
@clay56 Isn't it amazing how everybody tries to twist the scriptures to suit their life style instead of twisting their life style to suit the scriptures.
freddie171 3 months ago
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"Isn't it amazing how everybody tries to twist the scriptures to suit their life style instead of twisting their life style to suit the scriptures."
Many tend to believe their personal view of the scriptures and our Lord's will can be nothing BUT one and the same when such is not neccessarily or entirely the case.
clay56 3 months ago
"I simply don't agree with YOUR subjective view of it. And stating that view as if it were adevine absolute doesn't make it ANY less subjective or any more true."
Clay, buddy- let me help- YOU'RE WRONG! It's a tragedy on display here th at U absurdly reject understanding & practices the Christian church has held since it's inception: gayness is sinful. With no known expertise in this subject, YOU insist that dozens of Bible translators are wrong. Jesus fulfilled ALL THE LAWS- "OVERTURNED" NONE
shieldsff 3 months ago
"It's a tragedy on display here th at U absurdly reject understanding & practices the Christian church has held since it's inception:"
Actually many churches upheld the institution of slavery and the oppression of women for centuries, both of which are morally rephensible in today's churches. The opposition to same gender relationships may simply be yet another wrong.
"With no known expertise in this subject, YOU insist that dozens of Bible translators are wrong."
You're making... (Cont.)
clay56 3 months ago
"Actually many churches upheld the institution of slavery and the oppression of women for centuries, both of which are morally rephensible in today's churches...."
Yes,I agree that many FALSE so-called churches which did not adhere to nor soundly taught the Bible DID THOSE THINGS.-they are in HELL. The Apostle Paul condemned false teachers as denying the power of God. The fault in your error is that these hypocrites acted contrary to sound teaching & the Spirit of God who is LOVE.
shieldsff 3 months ago
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"The Apostle Paul condemned false teachers as denying the power of God."
Actually their doctrine came in part from the teachings of Paul who is thought by many today to have been an advocate of slavery as exemplified in Ehpesians 6:5 and the submission of women as shown in 1 Cor. 14: 34-37.
"The fault in your error is that these hypocrites acted contrary to sound teaching & the Spirit of God..."
By your own reasoning one of these "hypocrites" would be quite arguably Paul himself.
clay56 3 months ago
Part 2
... Grace but ALL too evidently from your OWN personally selective process that you try to argue what laws remain valid.
"Yes,I agree that many FALSE so-called churches which did not adhere to nor soundly taught the Bible DID THOSE THINGS.-they are in HELL."
I am never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 3 months ago
well said- I recommended the Youtube debate with Dr. Michael Brown and Harry Knox. Dr. Brown does an outstanding,unassailable job of explicating and expounding the underlying judeo/christian ethical understanding of sexuality in God's view. Every one would do themselves a great favor listening to the deep wisdom of this man. The urgency of the Apostle Paul's warning in I Cor 6 "Not to be deceived..." (speaking to the brethren) makes sense because of those who call sin "love"
shieldsff 3 months ago
no doubt, this is a key source of your unfounded assertions&confusion.You are wrong that one's understanding of this sin as a matter of mere opinion.The teachings of the Apostles make clear that no sound teaching or doctrine is of of anyone's private interpretation.It continues that if someone advances a "false teaching" tha person is,in fact, rejected of the Spirit of God & should under no circumstances be heeded (see Galatians). I think we trust established scholarship over UR wish fantasies
shieldsff 3 months ago
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clay56 3 months ago
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"The Teachings of the Apostles make clear that no sound teaching or doctrine is of of anyone's private interpretation.It continues that if someone advances a "false teaching" tha person is,in fact, rejected of the Spirit of God & should under no circumstances be heeded..."
Ironic since you speak from YOUR priviate interpetation. The fact that a greater number of people share it does not in itself make it our Lord's will.
clay56 3 months ago
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"Clay and I have had an on-going examination of this topic for weeks,... as you have no doubt gathered, he is offers a great deal of confusion or failing that a great deal of intentionally, misleading information."
Well, I agree SOMEONE has all too apparently been spreading misinfo. Hope this prettymuch clears it up. Thanks for the (indirect) shout out!
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 I love how your comments are being listed as spam!
Menechem 4 months ago
I'm so glad my uncle loves and supports me :)
Thank you Uncle Ed!
TheWaterfallProject 4 months ago
Part 2
... Because Paul, who is believed to have originated the term, did not himself define it. Therefore, it is not certain 1st Cor. 6:9 is even speaking to homosexuality at all to say nothing of all types of same gender relationships. And I actually brought up the Septuagint many argue Paul was alluding to, stating the problem with the argument was that the term "man" and "bed" were separate where as Paul fuses them together. And when you alter a word you can very well change it's meaning.
clay56 4 months ago
CONT,similarly,in UR logic,this person might argue that bestiality is ok, (because Jesus did not mention it, or that various form of accounting theft involving derivative securities are acceptable because these instruments did not exist in Paul's day;this, however,is a logical fallacy known as "argument from silence"- it holds little water ! On the contrary, the burden resides with U to proof that established translations are wrong. You cannot present ANY 1st CE meaning aside from homosexuality
shieldsff 4 months ago
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clay56 4 months ago
"the burden resides with U to proof that established translations are wrong."
Looks like we're split here. Since you made the accusation of sin, the proof indeed lies with you to prove the terms MUST refer to all forms of same gender relationships. I mention Christ's not saying anything about homosexuality only as a reminder to those who exploit His teachings to make it appear as though He did. No he did not mention beastiality... (Cont.)
clay56 4 months ago
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shieldsff 4 months ago
@clay56 "Because Paul, who is believed to have originated the term, did not himself define it."
I understand that apart from the Spirit of God nothing can register, but how about this for a thought,... the reason Paul did not bother with elaborate and extended explanations and interpretations of this word is because the context involving sins of sexual perversion were clear, and 2) His readers (who were greek speaking) plainly understood the abusive conduct to which he was referring.
shieldsff 4 months ago
Part 3
...As nothing Less than a devine certainty.
clay56 4 months ago
BLASPHEMY!!!
chasta1 4 months ago
No provable god. Problem solved.
TheMasshew 4 months ago
Okay, I'm Christian and gay. Grew up Christian my entire life, and figured out that I'm gay.
I'm not going to burn in hell. It's not a sin, it's not a choice. God made me this way.
I respect the peoples opinions here that do not think who I am is a good thing, but I'm not going to respond to hate with hate. It's pointless- God's word is to make peace and tolerance for one another, not to spread hatred and shun others.
If there were not meant to be gay people, why did God create them?
TheBlondeOneisEpic 4 months ago
@TheBlondeOneisEpic Why would God make you to be gay? That sounds so stupid to me because being gay is a curse. That is in the bible. How dare you blame God for u being gay. That is not Godly at all.I'm not trying to be malicious or anything but i just had to make a response.
lovelylady0228 4 months ago
@lovelylady0228
Well, let me just say a few things.
God loves us all, no matter who we are. Saying gay people are cursed is like saying a certain race is cursed. Color of skin doesn't matter- neither does sexuality.
I'm not blaming him. If God did not want me to be gay, well, I wouldn't be. He has the power to make things happen, but here I am, still gay. Know what I mean?
The Bible was written long ago. Times have changed- for instance, (continuing in another post)
TheBlondeOneisEpic 4 months ago
@TheBlondeOneisEpic Don't try to justify what is written in the bible so it can fit your lifestyle. Its a low down dirty shame that people have the audacity to twist the bible up to miss its real meaning. Of course we have to love each other in spite of the things we do, but you just as well as everyone knows that being gay is wrong. We all have sinned and have our shortcomings. Of course no one is perfect but i find that offensive to say that it is your God given right to be gay. #justsayin
lovelylady0228 4 months ago
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@TheBlondeOneisEpic Don't try to justify what is written in the bible so it can fit your lifestyle. Its a low down dirty shame that people have the audacity to twist the bible up to miss its real meaning. Of course we have to love each other in spite of the things we do, but you just as well as everyone knows that being gay is wrong. We all have sinned and have our shortcomings. Of course no one is perfect but i find that offensive to say that it is your God given right to be gay. #justsayin
lovelylady0228 4 months ago
@lovelylady0228
For instance, it says that if a son/daughter speaks out against their parents or strongly disobeys, they may be stoned to death. We don't follow that tradition anymore, do we?
God loves me for who I am, he made me this way. I'm confident in that, although others may not be. I'm not asking for everyone to agree with me, I just don't want to be hated for who I am and what I am.
Because God loves those who love, no matter what genders they may be. Love is far from a curse. :)
TheBlondeOneisEpic 4 months ago
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@TheBlondeOneisEpic being gay is a curse. You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. I will pray for you though.
lovelylady0228 4 months ago
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 HCSB) EITHER REPENT OR BURN!
Menechem 4 months ago
"Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom."
"Male prostitutes" comes from the Greek term "malokois" which has several definitions. "Homosexuals" comes from the term "arsenokoites" which is Paul's fusion of the words for "man" and "bed." The latter term has been argued for centuries since Paul didn't define it himself. So it's not even... (Cont.)
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 Stop twisting God's word, SEXUALLY IMMORALITY IS A SIN, JUST LIKE DISHONOURING YOUR PARENTS IS A SIN!
Menechem 4 months ago
"Stop twisting God's word,... "
Many use words like "distorting" and "twisting" when faced with dissenting views, as if they could never see their own beliefs and our Lord's word to be anything less than completely one and the same.
clay56 4 months ago
just so you know, Clay and I have had an on-going examination of this topic for weeks,... as you have no doubt gathered, he is offers a great deal of confusion or failing that a great deal of intentionally, misleading information. I previously clearly demonstrated to him that the greek word [which] he distorts, " arsenokoites" does not refer strictly to 'male prostitutes', but comes directly from the greek septuagint. Dozens of reputable greek/english scholars translate this word as homosexual
shieldsff 4 months ago
"I previously clearly demonstrated to him that the greek word [which] he distorts, " arsenokoites" does not refer strictly to 'male prostitutes',"
Hey Shields!
You keep making this accusation but haven't proven it. I stated that it's been argued the word refers to prostitution. Harper's Bible Commentary for instance stated it as being defined as a prostitute and his customer. Up until the late 60's the Catholic Encyclopedia defined it as "masturbator." The divergence is probably... (Cont.)
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 The only one distorting things is you! Paul, like me, came from a strict observance of Judaism, Torah states that men are forbidden mates, thus he puts al sexually perverted in the same light. Rightfull so to. I love hoe the KJV words it "abusers of themselves with mankind" "nor homosexuals, nor sodomites," (NKJV). You need to heed to God's word "male prostitutes, homosexuals," (HCSB) "nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals " (TNIV), stop twisting God's word!
Menechem 4 months ago
"The only one distorting things is you!"
Yes this is the accusation many make who can't see their view and our Lord's will as anything other than one and the same.
"I love hoe the KJV words it "abusers of themselves with mankind" "nor homosexuals, nor sodomites," (NKJV). "
The New KJV corrects the word "homosexual" with the footnote "catamite" (male juvenille prostitute). Such is no more reflective of all homosexuals than the woman who bathed Christ's feet with her tears was of all... :(Cont.)
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 1 Cor. 6:9 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites" the footnote says this "That is, catamites", so tell me, where does it say prostitutes? Catamite means "a boy kept by a pederast" according to the Marrian Webster Dictionary, it should be noted that the footnote is for sodomites, not homosesxual.
Menechem 4 months ago
"Catamite means "a boy kept by a pederast."
The New American Bible footnotes the term as young boys kept for prostitution. And the term "sodomite" is also footnoted as being the people having relationships with the catamites. Neither are any more reflective of all same gender relationships than a grown man keeping a young girl for carnal purposes is of all hetero relationships. And I rechecked the NKJB and the footnote DOES indeed refer to the term "homosexual" used in the verse.
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 Go and take another look, biblegatewaydotcom, anyway you've done nothing more than buy into the crap born out of Troy Perry and the Metropolitan Community "Church" back from the 1960's. I've rechecked the word in the NASB, the footnote is to effeminate, not homosexual. the foortnote reads as follows "I.e. effeminate by perversion". The NKJV footnote says catamites, which is only in reference to male relationships, not oposite sex, check any dictionary! You are misleading people.
Menechem 4 months ago
"The NKJV footnote says catamites, which is only in reference to male relationships, not oposite sex, check any dictionary! You are misleading people."
It's evidently you who are being misleading. I stated an adult's relationship with a juvenille male was no more a reflection of all same gender relationships than an adult man having a relationship with a young girl was of all hetero unions.
clay56 4 months ago
@clay56 SEX IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN WITHIN THE BONDS OF MATRIMONY. MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHINGMORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, TAKE IT UP WITH HASHEM ALMIGHTY, WHO GAVE US HIS WORD! I'M DONE WITH YOU, YOU IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF GOD'S WORD AND NEED TO REPENT!
Menechem 3 months ago
"YOU IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF GOD'S WORD AND NEED TO REPENT!"
Once more,
You view...
His Word...
NOT neccessarily or entirely one and the same.
clay56 3 months ago
@clay56 I LOVE HOW THE CLASSIC KJV WORDS IT "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Menechem 3 months ago