Reason Magazine's Kerry Howley Parents Jailed Kids Drinking

[Belgianmeth]

No one was hurt, but they get more than two years???

Jeeses, in my country, nobody cares if a kid drinks a beer at home.

We even have had school trips where 12 year olds visited breweries and could try all the beers. And no parent complained about that.

America, you're crazy.

[oldstyleliberal]

These Mothers Against Drunk Driving fuckheads have never successfully influenced the amount of underage drinking that occurs with any policy or legislation they push by USING the deaths of innocent children as political clout. It makes me sick what tactics they use.

MADD KILLS CHILDREN BY FORCING INEVITABLE UNDERAGE DRINKING UNDERGROUND. WHEN YOU HAVE NEO-PROHIBITIONIST NAZIS BREATHING DOWN YOUR NECK LOOKING TO FUCK U, YOU TEND NOT TO DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING IN AN EMERGENCY OUT OF FEAR.

[LEDZEP9292]

21???? dats rough!

[leftydanvball]

The justice system teeters between seeing things as black and white vs shades of gray. In this case they chose black and white. I would have given the parents 80 hours of community service. The government broke up a family and spent 100k+ just on jail time for questionable judgement. Reason did not prevail here.

[dogsgrowbeardsallovr]

that bites, I bet some kid or neigbor squeeled on them. The drinking age needs to be lowered to sixteen or somthing, but before that I think marijuanna needs to be legalized. Its alot safer in my opinion. I know someones going to be hate'n on me for saying that.

[jrobertwood]

Kerry makes a great point at 2.30. Its rare when someone actually says something thoughtful on Fox.

[andretheking86]

all i want to know is, whos the little shit who snitched this cool ass mom out?

[heavydrinker1]

wow that sucks..in Wisconsin i can legally drink with my parents underage (idk about other states) ..im 20 and goto the bars with my parents all time so id be safe..but the other kids are f*cked

[kwalk30]

Note: Kerry Studied philosophy. I wonder if that's how she got to be so reasonable or if it's just a natural talent.

[kwalk30]

Shut up fat ass.

Favorite Bumper Sticker:

D.A.M.M.: Drunks Against Madd Mothers

[bgmiller5]

Did that guy eat a Mother Against Drunk Driving or what?

Kerry Howley owns.

[upStomp]

This "send a message" crap has to stop.

You want to send a message? Mail a fucking letter. Don't destroy a family's life to deter others from making choices that you don't approve of.

Same goes for the "It's the law" argument. Grow a sack and think for yourself. Not all laws are good laws, and good people break bad laws - sometimes for the betterment of society.

[discoder]

Dumbass Americans. They should drop the legal age to 18 like the rest of the civilised world.

[zzzxxyy]

Kerry Howley has what no other female Faux Noize newcaster has: a proper ratio of beauty, brains, common sense, class and a sense of self-respect. No bimbo on Fox can match her. She is right up there with Flavia Colgan and Mika Brzezinski. Sorry, Fox. What are you gonna do? Distort my photo because I told the truth?

[mortson978]

Kerry is beautiful, both inside and out.

[verymaddog]

this nazi "law and order" thing is amazing.

[axisboldas]

Kerry won that from every logical view point.

[MetaMorphy]

Hanging a black man from a tree made a pretty fucking strong message, but it wasn't just. I know this sounds like an extreme comparison, but the government's intrusion into the household is extremely disturbing. You sentence people to do justice, not to send messages.

[clockworkgirl21]

You'd be mad if your kids were served alcohol? Your kids are people, just like you are.

[chinesemushrooms]

Kerry Howley rocks! That MADD guy could not argue against her, she just made brilliant points!

[defaultj]

also, why does an organization called "Mothers Against Drunk Driving" have a man on helium as a spokesperson, anyhow?

[LacusOdii]

The MADD guy just literally COULD NOT comprehend Howley's argument. That allowing teens drink in the home could actually lower drunk driving deaths is simply inconceivable to him.

Why is MADD maintaining a position inconsistent with lowering drunk driving deaths? Because they are a neo-prohibitionist organization. Look and find that their positions fit perfectly with this interpretation.

[chibichic]

but it DOESN"T lower drunk driving deaths, THAT'S the point. People here don't seem to like to hear this but it is true.

[MetaMorphy]

At eighteen, you can have sex, get married, star in pornographic films, serve as a police officer, smoke, enlist in the Army, pay taxes, and vote. But you can't have a damn beer? I think if you can be trusted with a machine gun in the streets of Iraq, you can be trusted with a beer.

[chibichic]

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[chibichic]

Why did this get a thumbs down? Just beacuse I wrote it? I hink it's stupid to serve your kids beer, but these people didn't do just this, they served OTHER PEOPLES kids beer. If I was a parent I'd be pissed if someone was giving my kid beer wothoput asking me.

[dabigkid]

Black Men Against Moderating Alcohol At Parties.

[chromethink]

Wow, that guy from MADD is an idiot. "It's illegal, it's illegal, it's illegal, blah...." You know it's bad when the moderator has to make arguments for your side.

[chibichic]

but it is illegal, it's true. They broke the law and should be punished

[chromethink]

We know it's illegal. The question is, should it be illegal. The MADD guy is making a circular argument, that it should be illegal because it's illegal.

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"but it is illegal, it's true. They broke the law and should be punished" --

Who gives a crap if it's illegal. The law has nothing to do with right and wrong. Helping slaves was illegal; drinking alcohol was illegal at one point. It doesn't mean people sholdn't have done it.

This situation is truly heartbreaking. The kids now have no parents to raise them.

The gov't is a group of predators

[chibichic]

They broke the law and then were suprised when they got punished, and PLEASE do not compare serving sixteen year olds to freeing slaves,as a black person(or as a human) I find that VERY offensive.

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"They broke the law and then were suprised when they got punished" --

The law was wrong. There are MANY laws in the past that we admit were wrong...this is just another example of the law being a predator rather than a protector.

Just because it was "illegal" doesn't mean a damn thing. The law is wrong.

[chibichic]

But the law helps! It lowers drinking in teens! Isn't that the point? (and sense when is drinking a natural right? life, liberty and the prusuit to get wasted)

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"(and sense when is drinking a natural right? life, liberty and the prusuit to get wasted)" --

Yup I agree. The persuit of happiness is a natural right. People can do that however they see fit, so long as it doesn't harm another person (i.e., so long as they don't get behind the wheel of car or get into a bar fight). You nailed it!!

If these nanny staters wanted to save lives, they'd outlaw TV, which helps cause obesity. Who knows...maybe that's next on these control freaks' agenda.

[MetaMorphy]

No, it does not lower drinking. It moves the drinking to unsupervised environments---making the activity more dangerous. That is the whole point. Drinking is not itself bad. Drinking unwisely and unsafely is bad. Supervision can prevent most of the harm of underage drinking. That is the point.

[MetaMorphy]

Amen brother, they were attempting to prevent drunk driving accidents---which is something MAD ostensibly supports. This idea that the law is automatically just is especially entertaining coming from a black man and whose parents and ancestors were directly harmed by unjust laws.

[MetaMorphy]

The speaker for MAD said that a child died from underage drinking earlier. Could that death have been prevented if there had been parents supervising and moderating the drinking? Their action was undertaken to prevent deaths---which is pretty important. The fact that you are offended by the comparison does not concern me. You are offended because you are a hypocrite. Government enslaved you and yet you are dumb enough to think that its every intrusion into our lives is justified. Fuck you.

[onlyed87]

MADD are prohibitionists, and vicious ones at that. 27 months in jail for serving beer in one's own home? This extreme ruling "sends a message" all right: Comply with the United States' idiotic and maternalistic drinking laws or they'll ruin you.

[chibichic]

It's not that they have alcohol in their home, its that they gave to their 16 year old and his friends. and those "idiotic and maternalistic drinking laws" have lowered the number of beinge drinkers and drunk teen drivers.

[chromethink]

You have proof that these laws have reduced teen drinking and DWI, or are you just making stuff up like MADD usually does?

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"those "idiotic and maternalistic drinking laws" have lowered the number of beinge drinkers and drunk teen drivers" --

As usual with nanny-state apologists, you pull your facts out of your a**. Binge drinking actually drops precipitously after age 21...why? Is 21 a magic number? NO! It's because people can now drink legally at a bar (which self-regulates the amount served) instead of at a frat party.

Lowering the drinking age would lower binge drinking.

[chibichic]

LOts of people over 21 binge at frat parties,and now there are no facts in my ass, I look at studies. If you can find a study that says otherwise please bring it forward.

[AndrewGlass]

I love Kerry Howley.